IRC log of #meego for Sunday, 2011-09-11

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nasa01Hi, I am getting this error: "module "MeeGo.Sharing" version 0.1 is not installed" -- anyone know what package provides that?00:13
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* CosmoHill is round his friend's who has a Archos 10i (or 101) tablet00:51
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Venemo_webchatgood evening01:27
Venemo_webchatI have MeeGo up and running on my ideapad :)01:27
Venemo_webchathowever, some stuff is missing01:27
Venemo_webchatit fails to play mp3 files01:28
Venemo_webchatand also fennec behaves very oddly - it doesn't let me type any characters with the keyboard01:28
CosmoHillhttp://black-flag.co.uk/files/railworks-crashed.png lol01:29
Venemo_webchatand I couldn't find the zypper equivalent of yum's --exclude option01:29
Venemo_webchatcould someone please help me? :)01:29
arfollfor mp3 have a look on the wiki. There are a few options.01:29
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arfollbasically either grab the fluendo mp3 codec, or use a non official repo for gst-plugins-bad/ugly. I hear home:arfoll:codecs works well...01:31
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Venemo_webchatarfoll: home:arfoll:codecs?01:38
arfollfrom build.pub.meego.com01:39
arfollits an obs project01:39
Venemo_webchatarfoll, gimmealink to the .repo file please :)01:39
Venemo_webchatarfoll: also, in Fedora, I just did 'yum install gstreamer-* --exclue *-devel *-docs' but zypper doesn't seem to have an exclude option01:39
Venemo_webchatwhat's the solution to this?01:40
arfollVenemo_webchat: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/arfoll:/xbmc-testing/MeeGo_Trunk_standard/ & http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/arfoll:/codecs/home_arfoll_xbmc-testing_MeeGo_Trunk_standard/01:43
arfollyou need both repos because the codecs have deps in the other place - it's a mess01:43
Venemo_webchatahm01:43
Venemo_webchatfacebook is f*cking me. every time I log in from the ideapad, a minute later it says "Not logged in, you need to log in to continue", and again01:44
Venemo_webchatwhat the heck is wrong with it?01:44
Venemo_webchatthx arfoll01:45
arfollVenemo_webchat: well I have no idea how to do --exclude behaviour like in yum. Sounds like a dirty way to do things though...01:45
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Venemo_webchatnpm: MeeGoLem doesn't work... zypper says NOKEY02:01
Venemo_webchatnpm: I followed your instructions exactly02:02
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npmi don't know if those instructions are complete02:26
npmsudo zypper clean --all ; sudo zypper --gpg-auto-import-keys refresh02:26
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npmmaybe some manual sudo rpm --import 'http://rpmfusion.org/keys?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=RPM-GPG-KEY-rpmfusion-free-fedora-1402:30
npmsudo rpm --import 'http://rpmfusion.org/keys?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=RPM-GPG-KEY-rpmfusion-free-fedora-14'02:30
npmrpm --import https://fedoraproject.org/static/97A1071F.txt02:31
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npmfeel free to update the wiki with what actually works02:33
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dok3hi!04:11
dok3someone is an admin of meego web page?04:11
dok3somebody of the administration ? or related to the project community ?04:12
dok3take a look over google: site:http://download.meego.com/live/04:13
dok3some xml files contains user/pass information of your repo04:13
dok3i was seaching something in internet and suddendly something strange appear in my screen... :)04:14
dok3may be i'm wrong but, may be is good that someone of the project take a look04:14
dok3over that04:14
dok3good luck guys!04:14
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dm8tbrhmmm08:31
* dm8tbr didn't find anything that looked like credentials using google08:31
dm8tbrso can't verify dok3's claim08:31
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Stskeepsneither, except obvious logins of all users exporting repos08:34
dm8tbr"filetype:xml site:http://download.meego.com/live/" results in only repomd.xml files08:36
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dm8tbrwith the latest 5h full downtime of core OBS as seen via HTTP I can't help but wonder if it is being maintained at all08:39
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cxl000_I am building a local OBS. I started using http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS but this is now a little out of date.09:01
dm8tbryou're using 2.3?09:01
cxl000_I grabbed the most recent appliance. 2.2.9009:03
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dm8tbryeah that's the 2.3 branch it seems09:06
cxl000_I have been able to loosely follow the steps. I substituted arm8el for the schedulers.09:09
dm8tbryeah this was before the big push09:11
cxl000_I would like to import Meego 1.2 and 1.2.90 but the repository structure is different to what the import script expects09:11
dm8tbrtry prodding Stskeeps :)09:11
Stskeepson vacation near wroclaw, not a good time09:12
Stskeepsask monday-tue09:13
cxl000_ok09:14
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arfollcxl000_, have a look at obstag instead of using that script09:32
arfollthe provider/customer example basically does what you want : http://wiki.meego.com/Obstag09:34
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Venemo_webchatgood morning10:21
Venemo_webchatnpm: ping10:21
mcfriskMorning10:22
mcfriskq: what is the proper way install files to /home/meego?10:22
Alison_Chaiken http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_IVI_on_ExoPC now has screenshots and remarkably poor video of OBDII live car data collection on ExoPC Atom slate on Tablet Preview with live car data via D-Bus and qmlviewer.10:24
Alison_ChaikenNot working yet on MeeGo-IVI with same nominal invocation.10:24
Alison_ChaikenProblem with IVI invocation could be different qt-mobility version, or it could just be not-quite-right configuration.10:25
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Alison_ChaikenStill sucks pretty badly, but less than before.10:25
Venemo_webchat_npm: MeeGoLem doesn't work. zypper doesn't want to install any packages from the added repos, because of some key error10:26
Venemo_webchat_npm: any package I try to install will result in this: http://pastebin.com/n3iBbEVp10:33
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mcfriskI guess sample-media-install.sh is run at first boot and it copies sample media from /usr/share/sample-media to /home/meego10:42
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Venemo_webchat_also, fennec refuses to work on the netbook ux on my ideapad - it doesn't take input from the keyboard10:46
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mcfriskDoes anyone happen to know a MeeGo tools repo for Debian 6.0 stable?11:00
thiagothere probably isn't one11:02
mcfriskgrr11:03
mcfriskone tick the project config11:03
mcfriskin11:03
dm8tbrclone project, make tick?11:04
mcfriskcan clone project, instead of tens of packages one by one11:05
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mcfriskbuild.pub.meego.com, DNS not found, related to kernel.org down time?11:07
Milhousemeego.com down?11:08
Milhousecertainly seems so11:08
mcfriskseems so11:08
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dm8tbrmy icinga was reporting timeouts11:08
mcfriskbut http://build.meego.com/ is there11:08
mcfriskpub not11:08
Milhousemcfrisk - not for me11:09
dm8tbr07:47:58< forMeeGoBot> PROBLEM api.pub.meego.com OBS_API CRITICAL Host seems down! Sun Sept 11 07:46:55 UTC 201111:09
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dm8tbr07:54:52< forMeeGoBot> PROBLEM api.meego.com OBS_API CRITICAL Host seems down! Sun Sept 11 07:53:25 UTC 201111:09
thiagothe DNS servers seem to be down11:09
Milhousewww.downforeveryoneorjustme.com also thinks build.meego.com is down11:09
thiagoboth DNS servers for meego.com are in the same network11:10
dm8tbrinterestingly that only was the api check that reported them down11:10
dm8tbriow ran into a timeout11:10
Milhouseboth dns servers on the same network, is that clever?11:10
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thiagoMilhouse: better than the same machine :-)11:10
Milhousethiago: only just! :)11:11
meegofreakhello meego.com and Forum is down11:11
dm8tbrmeegofreak: yes, known problem11:11
meegofreakdid nokia stopped the website?11:11
Milhousemeegofreak: ^^^^^11:11
meegofreakok11:11
dm8tbrmeegofreak: nokia has nothing to do with this...11:11
meegofreakok11:11
thiagothe linux-foundation network is down11:11
meegofreakokay11:12
mcfriskrelated to kernel.org donwtime?11:12
dm8tbrunlikely11:12
Milhousetransferring it all to the Samsung domain (kidding!)11:12
mcfrisk9.11.11:12
meegofreakmhh11:12
thiagoyes, kernel.org is in the same network11:12
dm8tbrsomeone steered a plane into the OSUOSL DC?11:12
mcfriskand same admins :(11:12
dm8tbrmcfrisk: MeeGo RE and IT is administrating kernel.org? I don't think so11:13
mcfriskok11:13
mcfriskbut downtime maybe related11:13
mcfriskok11:13
mcfrisk*going for workarounds then*11:14
dm8tbrinterestingly my icinga is not picking up any other signs of downtime then the API check. which might be as the other checks don't rely on DNS11:14
thiagodm8tbr: it is related11:14
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dm8tbrthiago: sure might be if someone cut off the DC as a whole or whatever. still I'd be surprised if MeeGo RE and IT would be working on kernel.org11:16
mcfriskby "same admins" I did not mean anything bad, just thought that kernel.org thing would not affect meego stuff..11:16
meegofreakwhy has the tab let icon be deleted from the homepage?11:16
thiagodm8tbr: how about LF admins working on both?11:16
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thiagomeego.com DNS servers are 140.211.169.10 and 140.211.169.1111:17
thiagoone of kernel.org's servers is 140.211.169.3011:17
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dm8tbrthat doesn't mean that the same people have access, just because the IPs are in the same(?) subnet11:17
thiagoright, it doesn't mean that11:18
dm8tbrif there is common infrastructure affected, sure11:18
thiagobut there's a high likelihood of problems affecting the entire network11:18
dm8tbrlike a switch going kerpoff11:18
mcfriskwhen our IT paniced over kernel.org hack, I told them not to worry about meego, heh11:18
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thiagoit's all OSUOSL anyway, so I think it's likely the same admins have access11:19
dm8tbrthiago: RE is HYPERPARANOID about their systems. I really, really doubt that some 'common admin' has access to e.g. the core OBS signing server.11:20
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thiagothree servers are down in the same subnet. The likelihood of there being a common cause is quite high.11:20
meegofreakwhy has the tablet icon benn deleted from the homepage?11:21
dm8tbryes, but you saying that 'the same admins have access' is highly unlikely nonetheless and nonwithstanding11:21
thiagomeegofreak: try again when the servers are running.11:21
dm8tbrnot even MeeGo IT has access to core OBS11:21
thiagois the core OBS running at OSUOSL anyway?11:22
dm8tbryes11:22
thiagois it running on ns1.linux-foundation.net?11:22
dm8tbrno idea, but I HIGHLY doubt that11:22
thiagothen why do you think the admins of that server can't be the same one of kernel.org's DNS server?11:23
dm8tbrI'm saying that MeeGo infrastructure (and I don't know about that DNS, but everyting that is the domain of RE and IT) is off-limits to everyone else11:24
dm8tbrshort of physical penetration of cause11:24
dm8tbrof course11:24
thiagothe meego DNS servers are ns1.linux-foundation.net and ns2.linux-foundation.net11:24
dm8tbrmeh, need more coffee11:24
thiagoI was discussing those servers11:24
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meegofreakis everything ready for the IDF ?11:25
* thiago isn't going to IDF11:25
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dm8tbrthiago: if the DNS servers are not in the domain of MeeGo IT, then anyone could have access11:26
* dm8tbr knows nothing about that11:26
dm8tbrbtw: it's really just DNS, no other icinga checks I run against MeeGo infrastructure have triggered (they use hard coded IPs)11:27
meegofreakanother question, nokia n9 or Meego-DEB is not open source, to name something MEEGO, musn´t  it be Open source? Is nokia allowed to name the upcoming meego tablet "meego", if it is closed source harmattan.deb?? ?11:27
dm8tbrmeegofreak: stop trollin pls, ktxbai11:27
meegofreakits a real question11:27
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thiagomeegofreak: why do you say the N9 isn't open source?11:28
meegofreak2 developer said that to me11:28
thiagothey were wrong11:28
meegofreakok11:28
dm8tbrsomeone on the internet said it, it must be true!!!!111!11:28
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meegofreakno there are some closed libs i think11:29
thiagosure11:29
thiagothe applications, home screen, etc. can be closed in MeeGo11:29
dm8tbrproducts building on MeeGo do not have to use completely open source.11:29
meegofreakthanks11:29
thiagoin theory, the name MeeGo requires MeeGo Core11:30
dm8tbrMeeGo core etc is open source11:30
dm8tbrlet's not go down the 'is harmattan meego?' road ;)11:30
meegofreakmhh ubuntu on a tablet will be delivered in 2012, so better to choose this to follow open source?11:30
* RST38h isn't sure why got the 'meego' road at all11:31
RST38hYou can use just about any Linux distro to run your UI on top11:31
meegofreaki ordered two n9 and canceled it, because i want to support real open source, and bought n900 isntead11:31
* dm8tbr facepalms11:31
thiagomeegofreak: then that was a stupid decision11:31
meegofreakyes n900 is slow11:31
thiagothe n900 is as open-source as the n9 is11:32
thiagoharmattan and fremantle are two versions of the same distro11:32
meegofreakok, then i was told wrong11:32
meegofreakthx11:32
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meegofreakok i have to redefine then, n900 allows me to install different image, n9 not11:34
meegofreakthat was my point11:34
meegofreakright?11:34
thiagowrong11:34
* dm8tbr runs MeeGo CommunityEdition on his N95011:35
meegofreakk, but does it work without keyboard and is there a sd-card slot?11:35
thiagothe N9 doesn't have a keyboard. Therefore, it works without a keyboard.11:35
dm8tbryes I'd also like a steak sandwich please11:35
meegofreakMeeGo CE : is there a first final release date??11:35
thiagoI don't remember if it has an SD-card slot. I don't think it does.11:35
dm8tbrmeegofreak: that was long ago, it works pretty well on the N900 and also quite good on the N9(50)11:36
meegofreakwithout sd-.card you have to flash it and maybe harmattan is gone, or is the bootloader of n9 able to accept a dual boot?11:36
dm8tbryes I dual-boot.11:37
meegofreakon n950 with keyboard11:37
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meegofreakok I have the CE on my n900 and it is quite unusable, ugly and far far away from android, it needs work, the 90.00.1 version from july has a phone icon and the 90.1 version from september 7 has no phone icon, so there must be a new release soon. dont get me wrong, CE is quite super, but needs work still, anyone should help,11:39
thiagostart helping then11:40
meegofreakcan we switch the iconset? please use NUVOLA by tefault11:40
meegofreakyes, give me SVN access for the icons and I will change them to Nuvola11:40
meegofreaksame name of the icons, so nothing will be disturbed11:40
meegofreakor everaldo kids icon theme11:41
meegofreakchoose now11:41
meegofreakkids or nuvola11:41
meegofreakkids is quite cool, but not business related11:41
thiagostart making useful contributions first, then you get access to the OBS and to the Git repositories11:41
meegofreaki cannot code, so i cannot even use GIT, I am just cappable for SVN, anyway, if you want to upload youself, show me in the web where the icons are and i change them to nuvola11:42
meegofreakor kids, as you like11:42
meegofreakdooble.sf.net has both, kids icons and nuvola icons, if you want to test, tell me which iconset you want default11:43
meegofreakso you can have a quick look for look and feel11:43
meegofreakif you want to beat android, i would prefer kids iconset11:44
meegofreakif quite poppy and chatty and sugarlike, wounderful11:44
meegofreaknuvola is more based and ok as well11:44
meegofreaknuvola has more icons, so as well app developers feel comfortable with nuvola11:45
dm8tbrmeegofreak: I'd recommend you try MeeGo CE first11:45
meegofreakI have it installed on my n900 yesterday11:45
thiagoif you want to change the icon theme, please talk to the designers and convince them11:46
meegofreakwho is that?11:46
meegofreakfor CE I cannot offer/create a second theme=?11:46
dm8tbrthe theme is open source, you can take it modify it...11:47
meegofreake.g. when I switch to WIFI in CE for N900, then i have "!!" as a sign before WIFI is written, so no much icons at all, or did my install missed something?11:48
meegofreakURL ?11:48
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meegofreakok so this is the latest: http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.90.2.0.20110906.82.CE.2011-09-07.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-testing/11:50
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meegofreakis there any GIT url for that?11:51
dm8tbrthis is a image based on 1.3 branch, which is probably quite unstable, but yes it's the 'latest'11:51
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meegofreakno it is more stable than the summer release, which always says that some qt._whatever_app is not starting11:51
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meegofreakthese are the kids icons by everaldo: http://www.iconarchive.com/show/kids-icons-icons-by-everaldo.html11:53
meegofreakversion 1.0 is GPL11:54
meegofreakuse that11:54
meegofreaknuvola is here: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=535811:54
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dm8tbrOMG, in my personal opinion that's just ugly11:59
dm8tbrbut if you feel like creating a theme based on those you are welcome to do so11:59
meegofreakhttp://www.brothersoft.com/kids-download-165887.html11:59
meegofreakmhh yes the taste is different for each person12:00
meegofreakbut mainstrean is kids,12:00
meegofreakmost people will ike this12:00
meegofreakto have a choice in the middle, use nuvola12:00
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dm8tbras I said, you are free to create themes yourself based on whatever you feel12:01
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meegofreak:-) I agree, that technicians should not make marketing and corporate design :-)12:03
meegofreakthe settings icon for meego is just ugly. this will not sell.12:04
dm8tbrmeego reference UXs don't need to 'sell'12:05
Myrttihummm12:05
Myrtti^12:05
meegofreaki see12:05
dm8tbrif you want to see something that's supposed to sell look at the harmattan UX12:05
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meegofreakright, at the closed source git12:06
Myrttireference UX's are plain vanilla UX's that aren't meant to be sold as is12:06
Myrttithe device manufacturers are encouraged and expected to alter it to their taste12:06
meegofreakok understood, but could be beautiful as well and it is a waste of resource to have designers for it, when there are default given iconsets12:07
meegofreakthat is not good, to even encourage them,12:07
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meegofreakso we have a proprietary ui in each device12:07
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meegofreakhttps://meego.com/  is back but without tablet icon12:10
MyrttiI'm not sure you've grasped the basic idea on which many of the current device manufacturers build their business on12:10
Myrttiin tablets, phones and netbooks12:10
Myrttithe point is to make a device that isn't the same as competitors12:11
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RST38hreally? =)12:12
MyrttiRST38h: yeah, imagine that12:13
* RST38h looks at the multitude of pretty much identical Android slabs12:13
dm8tbrmeegofreak: https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/meegotouch-theme-n900de have fun12:13
MyrttiRST38h: and the ones that sell the most have *something* that makes them different12:13
RST38hMyrtti: You mean Samsung Galaxy has something different? =)12:13
meegofreak:-) thanks12:14
RST38hWhat is it then?12:14
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Myrttihurrr need more tea, can't fit all the puzzle pieces together12:15
* dm8tbr mixes some non matching pieces into Myrtti's set12:16
jjoRST38h: they have their own TouchWiz UI12:17
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jjojust like HTC has Sense UI12:17
* RST38h suggests that the key to this puzzle is that Android has turned smartphones into a commodity. And you do not need differentiation once item becomes a commodity12:17
RST38hjjo: yea, they have all got their skins12:17
RST38hjjo: I hope you will not claim these to be the deciding factor in their products success though :)12:18
Summelijjo: do you like the text inputs etc too?12:18
jjoactually I kinda like TouchWiz or rather prefer it to the vanilla version12:19
Summelithe homeview is nice, but I hate everything else on touchwiz12:19
jjoso at least for me it could well be a deciding factor12:19
Summelierr, I meant sense12:19
jjoI'm not using Swype so I can't say if it's good or not. Some people seem to really like it.12:19
SummeliI have android phone on work, and I have to admit that the swipe makes a lot of sense :)12:20
Summeliusually I just try to swipe even on android phones :)12:20
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meegofreakok icons must stay svg or can be replaced with .png ? or a png named as .svg ?12:22
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CosmoHillthat's an interesting quit message13:38
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thiagointeresting, all collaborans13:39
thiagoprobably a bouncer or quassel core13:39
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pcfeCosmoHill, thiago: IIRC it is the default quite message of bip13:47
CosmoHillah okay13:48
CosmoHillstill kinda implies that it's one person with many connections13:49
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meegofreakok i changed the first icons: they appear in the web here, or checkout svn now: http://sourceforge.net/p/meego-ce-theme/code/14:15
meegofreakI can go on with more icons if these can be accepted and integrated in the current GIT ?!14:15
meegofreakhttp://sourceforge.net/p/meego-ce-theme/code/14:16
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pabs3meegofreak: there doesn't appear to be anything in that SVN repo14:17
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meegofreakmhh sf.net14:17
pabs3aha, but there is some at http://meego-ce-theme.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/meego-ce-theme/trunk/meego-developer-edition-for-n900-meegotouch-theme-n900de/n900de/meegotouch/icons/switch/14:18
* pabs3 would suggest removing the .png files and adding a Makefile to generate them14:19
meegofreakhttp://meego-ce-theme.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/meego-ce-theme/trunk/meego-developer-edition-for-n900-meegotouch-theme-n900de/n900de/meegotouch/icons/switch/14:21
meegofreaksorry that is the right url14:21
meegofreaki can convert the png to svn maybe , but it would be good to deliver png files14:21
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meegofreakas nuvola is png14:21
pabs3but aren't the png files just generated from the svg ones?14:22
pabs3so if you modify the svg then the png will be out of date14:22
meegofreakno nuvola has png in the tar ball zip, there are a few for kde generated as svg, but i would use png,14:22
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pabs3but in svn you should have svg, plus a script or Makefile to generate the png14:23
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meegofreakno i there are no svg icons for nuvola, they are png, only a few were made as svg from the author for kde14:23
pabs3I'm confused, I can see SVG  files in your SVN repository14:24
pabs3but anyway, back to lurking for me14:24
meegofreakthose are the original current one14:24
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meegofreakok i delete them14:24
meegofreakhttp://meego-ce-theme.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/meego-ce-theme/trunk/meego-developer-edition-for-n900-meegotouch-theme-n900de/n900de/meegotouch/icons/switch/?view=tar14:28
meegofreakdownload the new 4 icons for the navigation bar here14:28
meegofreakand tell me what you think about nuvola icons for the git repository and to go on with that14:29
meegofreakhttp://meego-ce-theme.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/meego-ce-theme/trunk/meego-developer-edition-for-n900-meegotouch-theme-n900de/n900de/meegotouch/icons/switch/?view=tar14:29
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* pabs3 wonders if the LGPL source code requirements applies to SVG icons too14:33
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Guest80584hello meego community14:47
vgradeGuest42373, hi14:48
Guest80584i'm a newby on meego ... still having a few questions ... hope this is the right place for "newbie" questions .. if not, please tell me :)14:49
vgradeask awy14:50
vgradeaway14:50
Guest80584did I get it right, that there are different development trees for mobile, tab, car, and so on?14:50
vgradewell the idea is that there is a MeeGo core14:50
vgradewhich all verticals use14:51
vgradeto be called MeeGo a product has to provice all core packages14:52
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Guest80584ok ... must have missed that ... so the verticals differ in their representation layer ... and device-dependent extensions14:52
pabs3whats a vertical?14:52
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vgradehandset, tv, ivi (in vehicle)14:53
vgradeeach one has core MeeGo packages14:53
vgradethen they can put a UX on top14:54
vgradethe UX is not MeeGo but there are a set of reference UX's. Handset, tablet, tv, ivi14:54
Guest80584are there any handsets except Nokias N900 and N9 that utilize MeeGo... or have there been experiments with "older" hardware from major handset manufactures14:55
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vgradehttps://meego.com/developers/meego-architecture/meego-architecture-layer-view14:55
vgradethere was an x86 based handset aava but I don't know what happenned to that.14:56
pabs3presumably MeeGo could be installed on the Android-based handsets?14:56
Guest80584i've seen this on the list ... seems pretty beta14:57
vgradeThere has been some work on Android hardware but this is limited because of limited access to closed drivers for gfx, wifi, phone stack14:57
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vgradehttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD14:58
pabs3wait, isn't Android supposed to be open? and Linux is GPLed so code should be available14:58
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Guest80584for using MeeGo is there also a mail-account required as for Android, Windows Phone 7 or Appley iPhone?15:02
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thiagoGuest80584: no15:03
Guest80584are there any plans (maybe from Nokia) to provide "actual" devices without Windows Phone 7 ... which could be used by the community for MeeGo experiments? I'd have bought the N9 immediatley but the price seems to be very ambitional?15:08
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Guest80584I meen only the hardware ... maybe with driver information/specifications15:08
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Guest80584ups sorry ... meen=mean sth.15:11
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thiagoGuest80584: there's the N915:18
vgradeGuest80584, not sure if windows7 stuff will come unlocked.  We stil have the same issue of driver availability15:19
Guest80584yes ... but the price is ... far away from reality ... 799 euros15:19
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Guest80584and still single-core ... that won't work for Nokia as well as single-core Windows Phones ... hope this is not spoken too frankly15:20
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thiagoGuest80584: no, you just don't get it15:22
thiagosingle-core is just fine15:22
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Guest80584yes I know that single core is just fine and satisfying 90% of the users ...15:24
thiagowhere did you get the 90% number from?15:24
pabs390% of statistics are made up on the spot15:26
thiagoI thought it was 78%15:26
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Guest80584just a guess from user questioning ..15:26
SpeedEvilUsers don't care.15:26
SpeedEvilUsers shouldn't be able to know.15:26
SpeedEvilWith the OS doing the proper job, it doesn't matter if it's one core, or 83.15:27
rzrfyi there is an upcoming event in asia : http://wiki.meego.com/Local_MeeGo_Networks/Malaysia15:27
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SpeedEvilIf the device is slow because flash wants all of one core - that's something that should be either fixed in flash, or fixed in the scheduler15:27
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thiagoGuest80584: I'm sure you want a dual core.15:28
thiagoI'm also sure that you'd take a quad-core if you could get your hands on one15:28
thiagodo you need one?15:28
Guest80584in fact the N9 is a great device ... but what keeps me from buying it, is the price.15:30
Guest80584currently I'm looking around for devices ... we're currently using RIM devices ...15:31
Ans5iGuest80584: how much it will cost?15:31
Guest80584and some iPhones15:32
thiagodepends on the country15:32
Guest80584Ans5i .. I don't sell N9 ... ;)15:32
thiago4490 kr here in Norway15:32
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Guest80584thank you very much for the information ... will dig a little bit deeper on the MeeGo topic15:36
Guest80584and have a look at the source code  ... thanks15:37
Guest80584bye15:38
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Venemohey16:03
rcghey Venemo16:03
rcgsup?16:03
Venemotesting MeeGo tablet UX on my ideapad16:03
rcgic.. how do you like it so far?16:03
rcgam using it on an samsung n150p here ;)16:03
Venemoit's better than the netbook ux, but still not there, for example I can't find how to switch tasks with it16:04
Venemohey rcg16:04
rcgerr.. i meant the netbook ux :)16:04
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Venemonetbook ux is not bad, but not very touch friendly16:04
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dm8tbrVenemo: find the 'home' key16:05
Venemobut I think I will switch back to it.... since this is not mouse/keyboard friendly at all16:05
dm8tbrVenemo: IIRC it's mapped to among other things the windows key16:06
rcgheh... ic16:06
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dm8tbryou can run several UXs, that's what ux-selector is for :)16:06
Venemowindows key it is16:06
rcgwell gotta hit the road... bbl16:06
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Venemodm8tbr, I think I will make my own ux at some point... neither of the existing ones work as I need16:07
Venemocordia is almost there, but it's missing some stuff.16:08
dm8tbr*nod*16:08
* dm8tbr should try cordia on the exopc16:08
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Venemodm8tbr, the only issue with cordia is that it's missing some touchfriendly apps16:10
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dm8tbrVenemo: hmm, shouldn't n900 apps be very easy to adapt?16:10
Venemodm8tbr, perhaps, but the work is not done yet16:13
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* dm8tbr ponders what the impact of the LinuxFoundation breach is (besides the DNS down-time earlier today)16:15
Venemoanyway, tablet ux is too tablety for this half-netbook tablet16:15
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SpeedEvildm8tbr: It comes back up, and meego is now windows.16:16
loft306ook16:17
loft306*eeks16:17
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* pabs3 wonders what the intrusion vector was16:20
dm8tbrmy bets are: web, then escalation16:22
Stskeepswhat breach? :P16:22
dm8tbrStskeeps: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/16:23
Stskeepsdm8tbr: btw, http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-September/484106.html16:23
Stskeeps(re 'dns downtime')16:23
dm8tbrStskeeps: no really, meego.com was not resolving at all16:24
Stskeepsodd16:24
Stskeepswell, it was in that timeframe it happened i would believe16:24
dm8tbrand neither do the timestamps align16:25
Stskeepsok16:25
Stskeepsdunno then16:25
dm8tbrah PST timestamps16:25
dm8tbrno idea16:25
* dm8tbr operates in UTC16:25
dm8tbrbut unlikely to align16:26
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dm8tbralso it seems that the two main NS entries are for machines that are not part of MeeGo IT16:26
dm8tbrbut LF16:27
Stskeepsah16:27
* Venemo wonders how hard would it be to write one's own QML UX based on Intel's compositor16:27
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dm8tbrhence me now making the connection to the LF breach16:27
Stskeepspoint16:27
dm8tbrpossible that they took it down for assessment16:27
dm8tbrwhich would be sensible16:27
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thiago"We have taken all Linux Foundation servers offline to do complete reinstalls"16:30
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gabrbedd__yuk.16:33
gabrbedd__kernel.org is /still/ offline.16:33
gabrbedd__Do I need to change my meego.com passwords?16:34
Stskeepsseperate infra setup i think16:35
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berndhsyeah but might as well change it16:35
gabrbedd__Maybe separate... but pretty close...16:36
gabrbedd__meego.com == 140.211.166.238, LF.org == 140.211.169.3216:36
Stskeepsyeah, OSUOSL16:37
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npmif Venemo was around, i'd answer his meegolem question, but since he's not, i'll just post this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-1484299916:55
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npm(and actually, i already answered the question the first time, but perhaps he didn't see it because i didn't tag it 'venemo')16:57
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CosmoHillwtf, I type in my password wrong a few times and it goes from the screen saver to sleep16:58
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imarkwhat terminal based package manager does meego use? i thought it would be yum but that wont work18:10
dm8tbrzypper?18:11
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imarkthanks18:16
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levyis there any site which lists all the current apps available for meego?18:27
dm8tbrlevy: for which UX?18:29
pabs3can't apps run on any UX?18:30
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levyon the N918:30
SpeedEvilN9 isn't really meego18:31
SpeedEvilWander over to #harmattan18:31
dm8tbrlevy: for the N9 ovi store will be the prime location. there is also apps.formeego.org planned to launch soon which will support the N918:32
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levyok, I looked in the ovi store but couldn't find anything for the device. I'll head over to #harmattan then. thx.18:34
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BManojlovicgood afternoon, developer preview of tablet ui, how usable it is, is it worked on now (or just preview was done?)?18:53
iekkui think there's not so much work ongoing currently18:57
iekkuat least not visible one18:57
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iekkuhaven't tried that one, so can't say how well it's working18:57
BManojloviciekku: will tell you when i install it :)19:01
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iekkuBManojlovic, ok :)19:01
BManojlovicunfortunately i do not have spare partitions so i'll have to force lvm ... somehow..19:01
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dm8tbrBManojlovic: a) you can boot it from usb stick b) try the 1.2.0.90 latest image too19:15
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BManojlovicdm8tbr: thanks really my fault i didn't check for newer image19:21
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Venemo_N950good night guys21:23
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