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| nasa01 | Hi, I am getting this error: "module "MeeGo.Sharing" version 0.1 is not installed" -- anyone know what package provides that? | 00:13 |
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| Venemo_webchat | good evening | 01:27 |
| Venemo_webchat | I have MeeGo up and running on my ideapad :) | 01:27 |
| Venemo_webchat | however, some stuff is missing | 01:27 |
| Venemo_webchat | it fails to play mp3 files | 01:28 |
| Venemo_webchat | and also fennec behaves very oddly - it doesn't let me type any characters with the keyboard | 01:28 |
| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/railworks-crashed.png lol | 01:29 |
| Venemo_webchat | and I couldn't find the zypper equivalent of yum's --exclude option | 01:29 |
| Venemo_webchat | could someone please help me? :) | 01:29 |
| arfoll | for mp3 have a look on the wiki. There are a few options. | 01:29 |
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| arfoll | basically either grab the fluendo mp3 codec, or use a non official repo for gst-plugins-bad/ugly. I hear home:arfoll:codecs works well... | 01:31 |
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| Venemo_webchat | arfoll: home:arfoll:codecs? | 01:38 |
| arfoll | from build.pub.meego.com | 01:39 |
| arfoll | its an obs project | 01:39 |
| Venemo_webchat | arfoll, gimmealink to the .repo file please :) | 01:39 |
| Venemo_webchat | arfoll: also, in Fedora, I just did 'yum install gstreamer-* --exclue *-devel *-docs' but zypper doesn't seem to have an exclude option | 01:39 |
| Venemo_webchat | what's the solution to this? | 01:40 |
| arfoll | Venemo_webchat: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/arfoll:/xbmc-testing/MeeGo_Trunk_standard/ & http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/arfoll:/codecs/home_arfoll_xbmc-testing_MeeGo_Trunk_standard/ | 01:43 |
| arfoll | you need both repos because the codecs have deps in the other place - it's a mess | 01:43 |
| Venemo_webchat | ahm | 01:43 |
| Venemo_webchat | facebook is f*cking me. every time I log in from the ideapad, a minute later it says "Not logged in, you need to log in to continue", and again | 01:44 |
| Venemo_webchat | what the heck is wrong with it? | 01:44 |
| Venemo_webchat | thx arfoll | 01:45 |
| arfoll | Venemo_webchat: well I have no idea how to do --exclude behaviour like in yum. Sounds like a dirty way to do things though... | 01:45 |
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| Venemo_webchat | npm: MeeGoLem doesn't work... zypper says NOKEY | 02:01 |
| Venemo_webchat | npm: I followed your instructions exactly | 02:02 |
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| npm | i don't know if those instructions are complete | 02:26 |
| npm | sudo zypper clean --all ; sudo zypper --gpg-auto-import-keys refresh | 02:26 |
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| npm | maybe some manual sudo rpm --import 'http://rpmfusion.org/keys?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=RPM-GPG-KEY-rpmfusion-free-fedora-14 | 02:30 |
| npm | sudo rpm --import 'http://rpmfusion.org/keys?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=RPM-GPG-KEY-rpmfusion-free-fedora-14' | 02:30 |
| npm | rpm --import https://fedoraproject.org/static/97A1071F.txt | 02:31 |
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| npm | feel free to update the wiki with what actually works | 02:33 |
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| dok3 | hi! | 04:11 |
| dok3 | someone is an admin of meego web page? | 04:11 |
| dok3 | somebody of the administration ? or related to the project community ? | 04:12 |
| dok3 | take a look over google: site:http://download.meego.com/live/ | 04:13 |
| dok3 | some xml files contains user/pass information of your repo | 04:13 |
| dok3 | i was seaching something in internet and suddendly something strange appear in my screen... :) | 04:14 |
| dok3 | may be i'm wrong but, may be is good that someone of the project take a look | 04:14 |
| dok3 | over that | 04:14 |
| dok3 | good luck guys! | 04:14 |
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| dm8tbr | hmmm | 08:31 |
| * dm8tbr didn't find anything that looked like credentials using google | 08:31 | |
| dm8tbr | so can't verify dok3's claim | 08:31 |
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| Stskeeps | neither, except obvious logins of all users exporting repos | 08:34 |
| dm8tbr | "filetype:xml site:http://download.meego.com/live/" results in only repomd.xml files | 08:36 |
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| dm8tbr | with the latest 5h full downtime of core OBS as seen via HTTP I can't help but wonder if it is being maintained at all | 08:39 |
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| cxl000_ | I am building a local OBS. I started using http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS but this is now a little out of date. | 09:01 |
| dm8tbr | you're using 2.3? | 09:01 |
| cxl000_ | I grabbed the most recent appliance. 2.2.90 | 09:03 |
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| dm8tbr | yeah that's the 2.3 branch it seems | 09:06 |
| cxl000_ | I have been able to loosely follow the steps. I substituted arm8el for the schedulers. | 09:09 |
| dm8tbr | yeah this was before the big push | 09:11 |
| cxl000_ | I would like to import Meego 1.2 and 1.2.90 but the repository structure is different to what the import script expects | 09:11 |
| dm8tbr | try prodding Stskeeps :) | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | on vacation near wroclaw, not a good time | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | ask monday-tue | 09:13 |
| cxl000_ | ok | 09:14 |
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| arfoll | cxl000_, have a look at obstag instead of using that script | 09:32 |
| arfoll | the provider/customer example basically does what you want : http://wiki.meego.com/Obstag | 09:34 |
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| Venemo_webchat | good morning | 10:21 |
| Venemo_webchat | npm: ping | 10:21 |
| mcfrisk | Morning | 10:22 |
| mcfrisk | q: what is the proper way install files to /home/meego? | 10:22 |
| Alison_Chaiken | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_IVI_on_ExoPC now has screenshots and remarkably poor video of OBDII live car data collection on ExoPC Atom slate on Tablet Preview with live car data via D-Bus and qmlviewer. | 10:24 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Not working yet on MeeGo-IVI with same nominal invocation. | 10:24 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Problem with IVI invocation could be different qt-mobility version, or it could just be not-quite-right configuration. | 10:25 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Still sucks pretty badly, but less than before. | 10:25 |
| Venemo_webchat_ | npm: MeeGoLem doesn't work. zypper doesn't want to install any packages from the added repos, because of some key error | 10:26 |
| Venemo_webchat_ | npm: any package I try to install will result in this: http://pastebin.com/n3iBbEVp | 10:33 |
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| mcfrisk | I guess sample-media-install.sh is run at first boot and it copies sample media from /usr/share/sample-media to /home/meego | 10:42 |
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| Venemo_webchat_ | also, fennec refuses to work on the netbook ux on my ideapad - it doesn't take input from the keyboard | 10:46 |
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| mcfrisk | Does anyone happen to know a MeeGo tools repo for Debian 6.0 stable? | 11:00 |
| thiago | there probably isn't one | 11:02 |
| mcfrisk | grr | 11:03 |
| mcfrisk | one tick the project config | 11:03 |
| mcfrisk | in | 11:03 |
| dm8tbr | clone project, make tick? | 11:04 |
| mcfrisk | can clone project, instead of tens of packages one by one | 11:05 |
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| mcfrisk | build.pub.meego.com, DNS not found, related to kernel.org down time? | 11:07 |
| Milhouse | meego.com down? | 11:08 |
| Milhouse | certainly seems so | 11:08 |
| mcfrisk | seems so | 11:08 |
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| dm8tbr | my icinga was reporting timeouts | 11:08 |
| mcfrisk | but http://build.meego.com/ is there | 11:08 |
| mcfrisk | pub not | 11:08 |
| Milhouse | mcfrisk - not for me | 11:09 |
| dm8tbr | 07:47:58< forMeeGoBot> PROBLEM api.pub.meego.com OBS_API CRITICAL Host seems down! Sun Sept 11 07:46:55 UTC 2011 | 11:09 |
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| dm8tbr | 07:54:52< forMeeGoBot> PROBLEM api.meego.com OBS_API CRITICAL Host seems down! Sun Sept 11 07:53:25 UTC 2011 | 11:09 |
| thiago | the DNS servers seem to be down | 11:09 |
| Milhouse | www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com also thinks build.meego.com is down | 11:09 |
| thiago | both DNS servers for meego.com are in the same network | 11:10 |
| dm8tbr | interestingly that only was the api check that reported them down | 11:10 |
| dm8tbr | iow ran into a timeout | 11:10 |
| Milhouse | both dns servers on the same network, is that clever? | 11:10 |
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| thiago | Milhouse: better than the same machine :-) | 11:10 |
| Milhouse | thiago: only just! :) | 11:11 |
| meegofreak | hello meego.com and Forum is down | 11:11 |
| dm8tbr | meegofreak: yes, known problem | 11:11 |
| meegofreak | did nokia stopped the website? | 11:11 |
| Milhouse | meegofreak: ^^^^^ | 11:11 |
| meegofreak | ok | 11:11 |
| dm8tbr | meegofreak: nokia has nothing to do with this... | 11:11 |
| meegofreak | ok | 11:11 |
| thiago | the linux-foundation network is down | 11:11 |
| meegofreak | okay | 11:12 |
| mcfrisk | related to kernel.org donwtime? | 11:12 |
| dm8tbr | unlikely | 11:12 |
| Milhouse | transferring it all to the Samsung domain (kidding!) | 11:12 |
| mcfrisk | 9.11. | 11:12 |
| meegofreak | mhh | 11:12 |
| thiago | yes, kernel.org is in the same network | 11:12 |
| dm8tbr | someone steered a plane into the OSUOSL DC? | 11:12 |
| mcfrisk | and same admins :( | 11:12 |
| dm8tbr | mcfrisk: MeeGo RE and IT is administrating kernel.org? I don't think so | 11:13 |
| mcfrisk | ok | 11:13 |
| mcfrisk | but downtime maybe related | 11:13 |
| mcfrisk | ok | 11:13 |
| mcfrisk | *going for workarounds then* | 11:14 |
| dm8tbr | interestingly my icinga is not picking up any other signs of downtime then the API check. which might be as the other checks don't rely on DNS | 11:14 |
| thiago | dm8tbr: it is related | 11:14 |
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| dm8tbr | thiago: sure might be if someone cut off the DC as a whole or whatever. still I'd be surprised if MeeGo RE and IT would be working on kernel.org | 11:16 |
| mcfrisk | by "same admins" I did not mean anything bad, just thought that kernel.org thing would not affect meego stuff.. | 11:16 |
| meegofreak | why has the tab let icon be deleted from the homepage? | 11:16 |
| thiago | dm8tbr: how about LF admins working on both? | 11:16 |
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| thiago | meego.com DNS servers are 140.211.169.10 and 140.211.169.11 | 11:17 |
| thiago | one of kernel.org's servers is 140.211.169.30 | 11:17 |
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| dm8tbr | that doesn't mean that the same people have access, just because the IPs are in the same(?) subnet | 11:17 |
| thiago | right, it doesn't mean that | 11:18 |
| dm8tbr | if there is common infrastructure affected, sure | 11:18 |
| thiago | but there's a high likelihood of problems affecting the entire network | 11:18 |
| dm8tbr | like a switch going kerpoff | 11:18 |
| mcfrisk | when our IT paniced over kernel.org hack, I told them not to worry about meego, heh | 11:18 |
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| thiago | it's all OSUOSL anyway, so I think it's likely the same admins have access | 11:19 |
| dm8tbr | thiago: RE is HYPERPARANOID about their systems. I really, really doubt that some 'common admin' has access to e.g. the core OBS signing server. | 11:20 |
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| thiago | three servers are down in the same subnet. The likelihood of there being a common cause is quite high. | 11:20 |
| meegofreak | why has the tablet icon benn deleted from the homepage? | 11:21 |
| dm8tbr | yes, but you saying that 'the same admins have access' is highly unlikely nonetheless and nonwithstanding | 11:21 |
| thiago | meegofreak: try again when the servers are running. | 11:21 |
| dm8tbr | not even MeeGo IT has access to core OBS | 11:21 |
| thiago | is the core OBS running at OSUOSL anyway? | 11:22 |
| dm8tbr | yes | 11:22 |
| thiago | is it running on ns1.linux-foundation.net? | 11:22 |
| dm8tbr | no idea, but I HIGHLY doubt that | 11:22 |
| thiago | then why do you think the admins of that server can't be the same one of kernel.org's DNS server? | 11:23 |
| dm8tbr | I'm saying that MeeGo infrastructure (and I don't know about that DNS, but everyting that is the domain of RE and IT) is off-limits to everyone else | 11:24 |
| dm8tbr | short of physical penetration of cause | 11:24 |
| dm8tbr | of course | 11:24 |
| thiago | the meego DNS servers are ns1.linux-foundation.net and ns2.linux-foundation.net | 11:24 |
| dm8tbr | meh, need more coffee | 11:24 |
| thiago | I was discussing those servers | 11:24 |
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| meegofreak | is everything ready for the IDF ? | 11:25 |
| * thiago isn't going to IDF | 11:25 | |
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| dm8tbr | thiago: if the DNS servers are not in the domain of MeeGo IT, then anyone could have access | 11:26 |
| * dm8tbr knows nothing about that | 11:26 | |
| dm8tbr | btw: it's really just DNS, no other icinga checks I run against MeeGo infrastructure have triggered (they use hard coded IPs) | 11:27 |
| meegofreak | another question, nokia n9 or Meego-DEB is not open source, to name something MEEGO, musn´t it be Open source? Is nokia allowed to name the upcoming meego tablet "meego", if it is closed source harmattan.deb?? ? | 11:27 |
| dm8tbr | meegofreak: stop trollin pls, ktxbai | 11:27 |
| meegofreak | its a real question | 11:27 |
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| thiago | meegofreak: why do you say the N9 isn't open source? | 11:28 |
| meegofreak | 2 developer said that to me | 11:28 |
| thiago | they were wrong | 11:28 |
| meegofreak | ok | 11:28 |
| dm8tbr | someone on the internet said it, it must be true!!!!111! | 11:28 |
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| meegofreak | no there are some closed libs i think | 11:29 |
| thiago | sure | 11:29 |
| thiago | the applications, home screen, etc. can be closed in MeeGo | 11:29 |
| dm8tbr | products building on MeeGo do not have to use completely open source. | 11:29 |
| meegofreak | thanks | 11:29 |
| thiago | in theory, the name MeeGo requires MeeGo Core | 11:30 |
| dm8tbr | MeeGo core etc is open source | 11:30 |
| dm8tbr | let's not go down the 'is harmattan meego?' road ;) | 11:30 |
| meegofreak | mhh ubuntu on a tablet will be delivered in 2012, so better to choose this to follow open source? | 11:30 |
| * RST38h isn't sure why got the 'meego' road at all | 11:31 | |
| RST38h | You can use just about any Linux distro to run your UI on top | 11:31 |
| meegofreak | i ordered two n9 and canceled it, because i want to support real open source, and bought n900 isntead | 11:31 |
| * dm8tbr facepalms | 11:31 | |
| thiago | meegofreak: then that was a stupid decision | 11:31 |
| meegofreak | yes n900 is slow | 11:31 |
| thiago | the n900 is as open-source as the n9 is | 11:32 |
| thiago | harmattan and fremantle are two versions of the same distro | 11:32 |
| meegofreak | ok, then i was told wrong | 11:32 |
| meegofreak | thx | 11:32 |
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| meegofreak | ok i have to redefine then, n900 allows me to install different image, n9 not | 11:34 |
| meegofreak | that was my point | 11:34 |
| meegofreak | right? | 11:34 |
| thiago | wrong | 11:34 |
| * dm8tbr runs MeeGo CommunityEdition on his N950 | 11:35 | |
| meegofreak | k, but does it work without keyboard and is there a sd-card slot? | 11:35 |
| thiago | the N9 doesn't have a keyboard. Therefore, it works without a keyboard. | 11:35 |
| dm8tbr | yes I'd also like a steak sandwich please | 11:35 |
| meegofreak | MeeGo CE : is there a first final release date?? | 11:35 |
| thiago | I don't remember if it has an SD-card slot. I don't think it does. | 11:35 |
| dm8tbr | meegofreak: that was long ago, it works pretty well on the N900 and also quite good on the N9(50) | 11:36 |
| meegofreak | without sd-.card you have to flash it and maybe harmattan is gone, or is the bootloader of n9 able to accept a dual boot? | 11:36 |
| dm8tbr | yes I dual-boot. | 11:37 |
| meegofreak | on n950 with keyboard | 11:37 |
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| meegofreak | ok I have the CE on my n900 and it is quite unusable, ugly and far far away from android, it needs work, the 90.00.1 version from july has a phone icon and the 90.1 version from september 7 has no phone icon, so there must be a new release soon. dont get me wrong, CE is quite super, but needs work still, anyone should help, | 11:39 |
| thiago | start helping then | 11:40 |
| meegofreak | can we switch the iconset? please use NUVOLA by tefault | 11:40 |
| meegofreak | yes, give me SVN access for the icons and I will change them to Nuvola | 11:40 |
| meegofreak | same name of the icons, so nothing will be disturbed | 11:40 |
| meegofreak | or everaldo kids icon theme | 11:41 |
| meegofreak | choose now | 11:41 |
| meegofreak | kids or nuvola | 11:41 |
| meegofreak | kids is quite cool, but not business related | 11:41 |
| thiago | start making useful contributions first, then you get access to the OBS and to the Git repositories | 11:41 |
| meegofreak | i cannot code, so i cannot even use GIT, I am just cappable for SVN, anyway, if you want to upload youself, show me in the web where the icons are and i change them to nuvola | 11:42 |
| meegofreak | or kids, as you like | 11:42 |
| meegofreak | dooble.sf.net has both, kids icons and nuvola icons, if you want to test, tell me which iconset you want default | 11:43 |
| meegofreak | so you can have a quick look for look and feel | 11:43 |
| meegofreak | if you want to beat android, i would prefer kids iconset | 11:44 |
| meegofreak | if quite poppy and chatty and sugarlike, wounderful | 11:44 |
| meegofreak | nuvola is more based and ok as well | 11:44 |
| meegofreak | nuvola has more icons, so as well app developers feel comfortable with nuvola | 11:45 |
| dm8tbr | meegofreak: I'd recommend you try MeeGo CE first | 11:45 |
| meegofreak | I have it installed on my n900 yesterday | 11:45 |
| thiago | if you want to change the icon theme, please talk to the designers and convince them | 11:46 |
| meegofreak | who is that? | 11:46 |
| meegofreak | for CE I cannot offer/create a second theme=? | 11:46 |
| dm8tbr | the theme is open source, you can take it modify it... | 11:47 |
| meegofreak | e.g. when I switch to WIFI in CE for N900, then i have "!!" as a sign before WIFI is written, so no much icons at all, or did my install missed something? | 11:48 |
| meegofreak | URL ? | 11:48 |
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| meegofreak | ok so this is the latest: http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.90.2.0.20110906.82.CE.2011-09-07.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-testing/ | 11:50 |
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| meegofreak | is there any GIT url for that? | 11:51 |
| dm8tbr | this is a image based on 1.3 branch, which is probably quite unstable, but yes it's the 'latest' | 11:51 |
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| meegofreak | no it is more stable than the summer release, which always says that some qt._whatever_app is not starting | 11:51 |
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| meegofreak | these are the kids icons by everaldo: http://www.iconarchive.com/show/kids-icons-icons-by-everaldo.html | 11:53 |
| meegofreak | version 1.0 is GPL | 11:54 |
| meegofreak | use that | 11:54 |
| meegofreak | nuvola is here: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=5358 | 11:54 |
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| dm8tbr | OMG, in my personal opinion that's just ugly | 11:59 |
| dm8tbr | but if you feel like creating a theme based on those you are welcome to do so | 11:59 |
| meegofreak | http://www.brothersoft.com/kids-download-165887.html | 11:59 |
| meegofreak | mhh yes the taste is different for each person | 12:00 |
| meegofreak | but mainstrean is kids, | 12:00 |
| meegofreak | most people will ike this | 12:00 |
| meegofreak | to have a choice in the middle, use nuvola | 12:00 |
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| dm8tbr | as I said, you are free to create themes yourself based on whatever you feel | 12:01 |
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| meegofreak | :-) I agree, that technicians should not make marketing and corporate design :-) | 12:03 |
| meegofreak | the settings icon for meego is just ugly. this will not sell. | 12:04 |
| dm8tbr | meego reference UXs don't need to 'sell' | 12:05 |
| Myrtti | hummm | 12:05 |
| Myrtti | ^ | 12:05 |
| meegofreak | i see | 12:05 |
| dm8tbr | if you want to see something that's supposed to sell look at the harmattan UX | 12:05 |
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| meegofreak | right, at the closed source git | 12:06 |
| Myrtti | reference UX's are plain vanilla UX's that aren't meant to be sold as is | 12:06 |
| Myrtti | the device manufacturers are encouraged and expected to alter it to their taste | 12:06 |
| meegofreak | ok understood, but could be beautiful as well and it is a waste of resource to have designers for it, when there are default given iconsets | 12:07 |
| meegofreak | that is not good, to even encourage them, | 12:07 |
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| meegofreak | so we have a proprietary ui in each device | 12:07 |
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| meegofreak | https://meego.com/ is back but without tablet icon | 12:10 |
| Myrtti | I'm not sure you've grasped the basic idea on which many of the current device manufacturers build their business on | 12:10 |
| Myrtti | in tablets, phones and netbooks | 12:10 |
| Myrtti | the point is to make a device that isn't the same as competitors | 12:11 |
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| RST38h | really? =) | 12:12 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: yeah, imagine that | 12:13 |
| * RST38h looks at the multitude of pretty much identical Android slabs | 12:13 | |
| dm8tbr | meegofreak: https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/meegotouch-theme-n900de have fun | 12:13 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: and the ones that sell the most have *something* that makes them different | 12:13 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: You mean Samsung Galaxy has something different? =) | 12:13 |
| meegofreak | :-) thanks | 12:14 |
| RST38h | What is it then? | 12:14 |
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| Myrtti | hurrr need more tea, can't fit all the puzzle pieces together | 12:15 |
| * dm8tbr mixes some non matching pieces into Myrtti's set | 12:16 | |
| jjo | RST38h: they have their own TouchWiz UI | 12:17 |
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| jjo | just like HTC has Sense UI | 12:17 |
| * RST38h suggests that the key to this puzzle is that Android has turned smartphones into a commodity. And you do not need differentiation once item becomes a commodity | 12:17 | |
| RST38h | jjo: yea, they have all got their skins | 12:17 |
| RST38h | jjo: I hope you will not claim these to be the deciding factor in their products success though :) | 12:18 |
| Summeli | jjo: do you like the text inputs etc too? | 12:18 |
| jjo | actually I kinda like TouchWiz or rather prefer it to the vanilla version | 12:19 |
| Summeli | the homeview is nice, but I hate everything else on touchwiz | 12:19 |
| jjo | so at least for me it could well be a deciding factor | 12:19 |
| Summeli | err, I meant sense | 12:19 |
| jjo | I'm not using Swype so I can't say if it's good or not. Some people seem to really like it. | 12:19 |
| Summeli | I have android phone on work, and I have to admit that the swipe makes a lot of sense :) | 12:20 |
| Summeli | usually I just try to swipe even on android phones :) | 12:20 |
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| meegofreak | ok icons must stay svg or can be replaced with .png ? or a png named as .svg ? | 12:22 |
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| CosmoHill | that's an interesting quit message | 13:38 |
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| thiago | interesting, all collaborans | 13:39 |
| thiago | probably a bouncer or quassel core | 13:39 |
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| pcfe | CosmoHill, thiago: IIRC it is the default quite message of bip | 13:47 |
| CosmoHill | ah okay | 13:48 |
| CosmoHill | still kinda implies that it's one person with many connections | 13:49 |
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| meegofreak | ok i changed the first icons: they appear in the web here, or checkout svn now: http://sourceforge.net/p/meego-ce-theme/code/ | 14:15 |
| meegofreak | I can go on with more icons if these can be accepted and integrated in the current GIT ?! | 14:15 |
| meegofreak | http://sourceforge.net/p/meego-ce-theme/code/ | 14:16 |
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| pabs3 | meegofreak: there doesn't appear to be anything in that SVN repo | 14:17 |
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| meegofreak | mhh sf.net | 14:17 |
| pabs3 | aha, but there is some at http://meego-ce-theme.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/meego-ce-theme/trunk/meego-developer-edition-for-n900-meegotouch-theme-n900de/n900de/meegotouch/icons/switch/ | 14:18 |
| * pabs3 would suggest removing the .png files and adding a Makefile to generate them | 14:19 | |
| meegofreak | http://meego-ce-theme.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/meego-ce-theme/trunk/meego-developer-edition-for-n900-meegotouch-theme-n900de/n900de/meegotouch/icons/switch/ | 14:21 |
| meegofreak | sorry that is the right url | 14:21 |
| meegofreak | i can convert the png to svn maybe , but it would be good to deliver png files | 14:21 |
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| meegofreak | as nuvola is png | 14:21 |
| pabs3 | but aren't the png files just generated from the svg ones? | 14:22 |
| pabs3 | so if you modify the svg then the png will be out of date | 14:22 |
| meegofreak | no nuvola has png in the tar ball zip, there are a few for kde generated as svg, but i would use png, | 14:22 |
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| pabs3 | but in svn you should have svg, plus a script or Makefile to generate the png | 14:23 |
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| meegofreak | no i there are no svg icons for nuvola, they are png, only a few were made as svg from the author for kde | 14:23 |
| pabs3 | I'm confused, I can see SVG files in your SVN repository | 14:24 |
| pabs3 | but anyway, back to lurking for me | 14:24 |
| meegofreak | those are the original current one | 14:24 |
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| meegofreak | ok i delete them | 14:24 |
| meegofreak | http://meego-ce-theme.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/meego-ce-theme/trunk/meego-developer-edition-for-n900-meegotouch-theme-n900de/n900de/meegotouch/icons/switch/?view=tar | 14:28 |
| meegofreak | download the new 4 icons for the navigation bar here | 14:28 |
| meegofreak | and tell me what you think about nuvola icons for the git repository and to go on with that | 14:29 |
| meegofreak | http://meego-ce-theme.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/meego-ce-theme/trunk/meego-developer-edition-for-n900-meegotouch-theme-n900de/n900de/meegotouch/icons/switch/?view=tar | 14:29 |
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| Guest80584 | hello meego community | 14:47 |
| vgrade | Guest42373, hi | 14:48 |
| Guest80584 | i'm a newby on meego ... still having a few questions ... hope this is the right place for "newbie" questions .. if not, please tell me :) | 14:49 |
| vgrade | ask awy | 14:50 |
| vgrade | away | 14:50 |
| Guest80584 | did I get it right, that there are different development trees for mobile, tab, car, and so on? | 14:50 |
| vgrade | well the idea is that there is a MeeGo core | 14:50 |
| vgrade | which all verticals use | 14:51 |
| vgrade | to be called MeeGo a product has to provice all core packages | 14:52 |
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| Guest80584 | ok ... must have missed that ... so the verticals differ in their representation layer ... and device-dependent extensions | 14:52 |
| pabs3 | whats a vertical? | 14:52 |
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| vgrade | handset, tv, ivi (in vehicle) | 14:53 |
| vgrade | each one has core MeeGo packages | 14:53 |
| vgrade | then they can put a UX on top | 14:54 |
| vgrade | the UX is not MeeGo but there are a set of reference UX's. Handset, tablet, tv, ivi | 14:54 |
| Guest80584 | are there any handsets except Nokias N900 and N9 that utilize MeeGo... or have there been experiments with "older" hardware from major handset manufactures | 14:55 |
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| vgrade | https://meego.com/developers/meego-architecture/meego-architecture-layer-view | 14:55 |
| vgrade | there was an x86 based handset aava but I don't know what happenned to that. | 14:56 |
| pabs3 | presumably MeeGo could be installed on the Android-based handsets? | 14:56 |
| Guest80584 | i've seen this on the list ... seems pretty beta | 14:57 |
| vgrade | There has been some work on Android hardware but this is limited because of limited access to closed drivers for gfx, wifi, phone stack | 14:57 |
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| vgrade | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD | 14:58 |
| pabs3 | wait, isn't Android supposed to be open? and Linux is GPLed so code should be available | 14:58 |
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| Guest80584 | for using MeeGo is there also a mail-account required as for Android, Windows Phone 7 or Appley iPhone? | 15:02 |
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| thiago | Guest80584: no | 15:03 |
| Guest80584 | are there any plans (maybe from Nokia) to provide "actual" devices without Windows Phone 7 ... which could be used by the community for MeeGo experiments? I'd have bought the N9 immediatley but the price seems to be very ambitional? | 15:08 |
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| Guest80584 | I meen only the hardware ... maybe with driver information/specifications | 15:08 |
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| Guest80584 | ups sorry ... meen=mean sth. | 15:11 |
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| thiago | Guest80584: there's the N9 | 15:18 |
| vgrade | Guest80584, not sure if windows7 stuff will come unlocked. We stil have the same issue of driver availability | 15:19 |
| Guest80584 | yes ... but the price is ... far away from reality ... 799 euros | 15:19 |
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| Guest80584 | and still single-core ... that won't work for Nokia as well as single-core Windows Phones ... hope this is not spoken too frankly | 15:20 |
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| thiago | Guest80584: no, you just don't get it | 15:22 |
| thiago | single-core is just fine | 15:22 |
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| Guest80584 | yes I know that single core is just fine and satisfying 90% of the users ... | 15:24 |
| thiago | where did you get the 90% number from? | 15:24 |
| pabs3 | 90% of statistics are made up on the spot | 15:26 |
| thiago | I thought it was 78% | 15:26 |
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| Guest80584 | just a guess from user questioning .. | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Users don't care. | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Users shouldn't be able to know. | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | With the OS doing the proper job, it doesn't matter if it's one core, or 83. | 15:27 |
| rzr | fyi there is an upcoming event in asia : http://wiki.meego.com/Local_MeeGo_Networks/Malaysia | 15:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | If the device is slow because flash wants all of one core - that's something that should be either fixed in flash, or fixed in the scheduler | 15:27 |
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| thiago | Guest80584: I'm sure you want a dual core. | 15:28 |
| thiago | I'm also sure that you'd take a quad-core if you could get your hands on one | 15:28 |
| thiago | do you need one? | 15:28 |
| Guest80584 | in fact the N9 is a great device ... but what keeps me from buying it, is the price. | 15:30 |
| Guest80584 | currently I'm looking around for devices ... we're currently using RIM devices ... | 15:31 |
| Ans5i | Guest80584: how much it will cost? | 15:31 |
| Guest80584 | and some iPhones | 15:32 |
| thiago | depends on the country | 15:32 |
| Guest80584 | Ans5i .. I don't sell N9 ... ;) | 15:32 |
| thiago | 4490 kr here in Norway | 15:32 |
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| Guest80584 | thank you very much for the information ... will dig a little bit deeper on the MeeGo topic | 15:36 |
| Guest80584 | and have a look at the source code ... thanks | 15:37 |
| Guest80584 | bye | 15:38 |
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| Venemo | hey | 16:03 |
| rcg | hey Venemo | 16:03 |
| rcg | sup? | 16:03 |
| Venemo | testing MeeGo tablet UX on my ideapad | 16:03 |
| rcg | ic.. how do you like it so far? | 16:03 |
| rcg | am using it on an samsung n150p here ;) | 16:03 |
| Venemo | it's better than the netbook ux, but still not there, for example I can't find how to switch tasks with it | 16:04 |
| Venemo | hey rcg | 16:04 |
| rcg | err.. i meant the netbook ux :) | 16:04 |
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| Venemo | netbook ux is not bad, but not very touch friendly | 16:04 |
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| dm8tbr | Venemo: find the 'home' key | 16:05 |
| Venemo | but I think I will switch back to it.... since this is not mouse/keyboard friendly at all | 16:05 |
| dm8tbr | Venemo: IIRC it's mapped to among other things the windows key | 16:06 |
| rcg | heh... ic | 16:06 |
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| dm8tbr | you can run several UXs, that's what ux-selector is for :) | 16:06 |
| Venemo | windows key it is | 16:06 |
| rcg | well gotta hit the road... bbl | 16:06 |
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| Venemo | dm8tbr, I think I will make my own ux at some point... neither of the existing ones work as I need | 16:07 |
| Venemo | cordia is almost there, but it's missing some stuff. | 16:08 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 16:08 |
| * dm8tbr should try cordia on the exopc | 16:08 | |
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| Venemo | dm8tbr, the only issue with cordia is that it's missing some touchfriendly apps | 16:10 |
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| dm8tbr | Venemo: hmm, shouldn't n900 apps be very easy to adapt? | 16:10 |
| Venemo | dm8tbr, perhaps, but the work is not done yet | 16:13 |
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| * dm8tbr ponders what the impact of the LinuxFoundation breach is (besides the DNS down-time earlier today) | 16:15 | |
| Venemo | anyway, tablet ux is too tablety for this half-netbook tablet | 16:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | dm8tbr: It comes back up, and meego is now windows. | 16:16 |
| loft306 | ook | 16:17 |
| loft306 | *eeks | 16:17 |
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| * pabs3 wonders what the intrusion vector was | 16:20 | |
| dm8tbr | my bets are: web, then escalation | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | what breach? :P | 16:22 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/ | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: btw, http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-September/484106.html | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | (re 'dns downtime') | 16:23 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: no really, meego.com was not resolving at all | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | odd | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | well, it was in that timeframe it happened i would believe | 16:24 |
| dm8tbr | and neither do the timestamps align | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | dunno then | 16:25 |
| dm8tbr | ah PST timestamps | 16:25 |
| dm8tbr | no idea | 16:25 |
| * dm8tbr operates in UTC | 16:25 | |
| dm8tbr | but unlikely to align | 16:26 |
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| dm8tbr | also it seems that the two main NS entries are for machines that are not part of MeeGo IT | 16:26 |
| dm8tbr | but LF | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:27 |
| * Venemo wonders how hard would it be to write one's own QML UX based on Intel's compositor | 16:27 | |
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| dm8tbr | hence me now making the connection to the LF breach | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | point | 16:27 |
| dm8tbr | possible that they took it down for assessment | 16:27 |
| dm8tbr | which would be sensible | 16:27 |
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| thiago | "We have taken all Linux Foundation servers offline to do complete reinstalls" | 16:30 |
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| gabrbedd__ | yuk. | 16:33 |
| gabrbedd__ | kernel.org is /still/ offline. | 16:33 |
| gabrbedd__ | Do I need to change my meego.com passwords? | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | seperate infra setup i think | 16:35 |
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| berndhs | yeah but might as well change it | 16:35 |
| gabrbedd__ | Maybe separate... but pretty close... | 16:36 |
| gabrbedd__ | meego.com == 140.211.166.238, LF.org == 140.211.169.32 | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, OSUOSL | 16:37 |
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| npm | if Venemo was around, i'd answer his meegolem question, but since he's not, i'll just post this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14842999 | 16:55 |
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| npm | (and actually, i already answered the question the first time, but perhaps he didn't see it because i didn't tag it 'venemo') | 16:57 |
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| CosmoHill | wtf, I type in my password wrong a few times and it goes from the screen saver to sleep | 16:58 |
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| imark | what terminal based package manager does meego use? i thought it would be yum but that wont work | 18:10 |
| dm8tbr | zypper? | 18:11 |
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| imark | thanks | 18:16 |
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| levy | is there any site which lists all the current apps available for meego? | 18:27 |
| dm8tbr | levy: for which UX? | 18:29 |
| pabs3 | can't apps run on any UX? | 18:30 |
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| levy | on the N9 | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | N9 isn't really meego | 18:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Wander over to #harmattan | 18:31 |
| dm8tbr | levy: for the N9 ovi store will be the prime location. there is also apps.formeego.org planned to launch soon which will support the N9 | 18:32 |
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| levy | ok, I looked in the ovi store but couldn't find anything for the device. I'll head over to #harmattan then. thx. | 18:34 |
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| BManojlovic | good afternoon, developer preview of tablet ui, how usable it is, is it worked on now (or just preview was done?)? | 18:53 |
| iekku | i think there's not so much work ongoing currently | 18:57 |
| iekku | at least not visible one | 18:57 |
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| iekku | haven't tried that one, so can't say how well it's working | 18:57 |
| BManojlovic | iekku: will tell you when i install it :) | 19:01 |
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| iekku | BManojlovic, ok :) | 19:01 |
| BManojlovic | unfortunately i do not have spare partitions so i'll have to force lvm ... somehow.. | 19:01 |
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| dm8tbr | BManojlovic: a) you can boot it from usb stick b) try the 1.2.0.90 latest image too | 19:15 |
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| BManojlovic | dm8tbr: thanks really my fault i didn't check for newer image | 19:21 |
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