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| CosmoHill | about 1m by 1.5m | 00:00 |
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| * lcuk has been working on steering recently and gotten lots of feedback | 00:00 | |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: mock the week is on now btw | 00:04 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: do you have a track? | 01:44 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/trains/ | 01:52 |
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| CosmoHill | is it just me or is today very very quiet | 01:59 |
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| Robot101 | its quiet at the plumbers conference | 01:59 |
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| berndhs | they're all at the big party in the other channel | 02:03 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | berndhs, with terminator I get multiple xterms on same netbook or tablet MeeGo screen. | 02:33 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | H/T Charley Kühnast's always great column in _Linux_ mag. | 02:34 |
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| berndhs | Alison_Chaiken: it gives you tabs, or tiling of some sort ? | 02:37 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Tiling, with horizontal or vertical splitting. | 02:37 |
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| berndhs | ah | 02:38 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Terminator is a python script, and requires zypp in only of python-vte. | 02:38 |
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| berndhs | should work on tablets then, probably not on phones | 02:38 |
| Alison_Chaiken | http://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2011/126/Charly-s-Column-Terminator | 02:38 |
| berndhs | i mean, techinically it could work, but not practically | 02:38 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | berndhs, I'm using it on the tablet right now. | 02:38 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Works for me. YMMV. | 02:39 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Not sure how useful multiple side-by-side xterms would be on phone. On ExoPC or Lenovo S10, pretty useful. | 02:39 |
| berndhs | right | 02:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Two xterms above and below each other works well a widescreen display in portrait | 02:47 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | SpeedEvil, two xterms side-by-side is nice in landscape on tablet. Terminator allows the spawning of an arbitrary number: it's cool. | 03:36 |
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| arfoll | is C.OBS being funny? I can't login :-( | 10:37 |
| arfoll | on the webinterface at least, seems osc works | 10:37 |
| arfoll | spoke too quickly API refuses my auth too | 10:38 |
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| bassetn | hello, I want to know if you have some problem to acess to build.pub.meego.com ? | 10:51 |
| bassetn | I can not authenticate today but yesterday it is good. | 10:53 |
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| Stskeeps | bassetn: arfoll had same issue | 10:53 |
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| lbt | bassetn: looking into it... looks sparse | 10:55 |
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| lbt | bassetn: still here? | 11:02 |
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| bassetn | lbt: yep i am here | 11:03 |
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| lbt | what's your meego.com account name ? | 11:03 |
| bassetn | my acount is bassetn | 11:03 |
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| bassetn | Just for info I know a another person that have the same problem | 11:04 |
| lbt | OK - you're not in ldap anymore | 11:04 |
| lbt | who ? | 11:04 |
| arfoll | lbt: me | 11:05 |
| bassetn | his account name is gdo | 11:05 |
| lbt | ok - is this www.meego.com | 11:05 |
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| lbt | or c.obs only ? | 11:05 |
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| lbt | arfoll: can you check website login too please | 11:05 |
| arfoll | lbt: that seems to work | 11:06 |
| arfoll | let me just try with a cookie clear | 11:06 |
| lbt | heh ... dunno if that's good or bad :) | 11:06 |
| bassetn | yep for meego.com it is ok for mee also .. | 11:06 |
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| lbt | ok | 11:06 |
| arfoll | yeah works good even with cleared cookies | 11:06 |
| lbt | good | 11:06 |
| bassetn | and it always bad for build.pub.meego.com | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | my login works, for comparison | 11:07 |
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| arfoll | for the record i havent changed passwd or anything and didn't touch c.obs yesterday | 11:07 |
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| arfoll | suprising build.meego.com is still up... the world has gone upside down! | 11:08 |
| lbt | *g* | 11:08 |
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| lbt | yeah ... the www boys are sending empty passwd lists over... all your accounts are marked for deletion | 11:09 |
| lbt | actually the last export marked *every* account for deletion ... my script ignores that | 11:09 |
| lbt | goddam this is annoying | 11:09 |
| arfoll | lol nice. conspiracy theories *ignite* | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: conspiracy: replacing all meego accounts with samsung employees to make it look like contributions were all done by them, through meritocracy => coup | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 11:11 |
| cxl000 | lbt: I also cant login into COBS but can to www.meego.com | 11:11 |
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| lbt | nah .... it's more likely a security update caused a reboot and the script thingy didn't come back | 11:12 |
| arfoll | Stskeeps: :-) | 11:12 |
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| arfoll | course it didn't... conspiracy2: Intel is hacking in to c.obs to make it look like downtime on core OBS was caused by c.obs members | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: you're giving me great input for feeding into the twitter gossip machine | 11:14 |
| lbt | found you all .... | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | let's tip digitimes that meego is actually a core sent from the future, in a world where android has .. come ALIVE! | 11:14 |
| arfoll | A small fighting force came alive and founded meego to go back in time and stop android. | 11:17 |
| arfoll | Feel like making Mer a movie instead? | 11:17 |
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| Stskeeps | the next star trek movie, just about redshirts | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:18 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Good moorning. Have I missed something? | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: cthulhu has arrived | 11:19 |
| Bostik | f'taghn! | 11:19 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Has he eaten all the necessary people already? | 11:19 |
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| RST38h | Ah, it is just COBS dying again... Nothing special then | 11:22 |
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| lbt | c.obs is fine :P | 11:22 |
| lbt | ldap isn't :D | 11:22 |
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| dm8tbr | is ldap also governed by RE? | 11:22 |
| lbt | no, that's mine | 11:23 |
| dm8tbr | we're saved! | 11:23 |
| lbt | one of those silly script errors | 11:23 |
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| lbt | oh yeah, reloading now | 11:23 |
| lbt | the DB went down at 6am ... security update | 11:23 |
| lbt | the periodic export ran and made a zero size file ... called 'export' | 11:24 |
| lbt | that's copied to the ldap | 11:24 |
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| lbt | ldap imports the export file ... but it checks that 'import' is non-zero | 11:24 |
| lbt | needs to check that 'export' is non-zero ... d'oh | 11:24 |
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| lbt | arfoll: bassetn ... please try now | 11:33 |
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| bassetn | great! it is good for me | 11:35 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | morn jaffa | 11:38 |
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| lbt | hey Jaffa | 11:40 |
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| arfoll | lbt: thanks everything looking good :-) *insert no so subtle hint that RE sucks in comparison to community service* | 11:49 |
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| lbt | np... | 11:52 |
| dm8tbr | *insertclearhint* about open communication and thus improved problem turn around | 11:52 |
| lbt | now *that* is true | 11:52 |
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| lbt | a distributed team still needs 'an office' | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | and a water cooler | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:53 |
| lbt | very true | 11:53 |
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| arfoll | you mean a coffee machine surely | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | oh god, good point, i should prepare myself for caffeine overdose in .fi.. | 11:54 |
| arfoll | yes it would be great if some pople where responsive on IRC/ML | 11:54 |
| lbt | right ... I need to get Sage happy with boss and then make some new Project:'s for us Stskeeps | 11:54 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: you also coming to tampere? there's still that _coffee_ invitation to my place... :-p | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: right | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: 27-30th in tmp | 11:55 |
| dm8tbr | I can make it dinner and wine if you prefer that over coffee ;) | 11:56 |
| * lbt may well be there too ... | 11:56 | |
| lbt | need to plan that | 11:56 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, you heading over for openmind? | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: aye | 11:56 |
| dm8tbr | oooh, cool | 11:56 |
| lcuk | goo | 11:56 |
| lcuk | d | 11:56 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: you going ? | 11:56 |
| lcuk | I will try and speak with timo on Sunday | 11:56 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: I'm going to the important part | 11:56 |
| lbt | I'm hoping to get up there... need to confirm | 11:56 |
| dm8tbr | as I probably won't get funding for the conference | 11:57 |
| dm8tbr | and 175ecu out of my private pocket... | 11:57 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: is there something like git addremove? | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | ie, adding what's there, removing what's missing | 11:58 |
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| lbt | git -a is closest AFAIK | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:59 |
| lbt | git commit -a | 11:59 |
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| alterego | If you use git rm to remove a file then git commit -a will commit all modified files added using git add and remove all files rm'd with git rm. | 12:04 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: ^ | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:05 |
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| hena | alterego: actually -a overrides git add | 12:08 |
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| alterego | hena: git commit -a wont add files itself. | 12:10 |
| alterego | It just auto commits modified files already added. | 12:11 |
| hena | y | 12:11 |
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| Sage | FYI: I have my friends wedding today so I have to leave in about 45mins. So probably not here much later today. | 12:15 |
| Sage | lbt: ^ | 12:15 |
| lbt | OK ... have a good one | 12:15 |
| lbt | we'll do our best not to break CE | 12:15 |
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| zek | hello, anybody bothered to port alien? | 12:20 |
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| arfoll | zek: there are some pkgs on c.obs. havent tried any | 12:20 |
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| zek | araujo, what's c.obs. ? | 12:21 |
| zek | arfoll, sorry | 12:21 |
| araujo | core obs? | 12:21 |
| araujo | :) | 12:22 |
| arfoll | zek, build.pub.meego.com | 12:22 |
| araujo | oh, community | 12:22 |
| arfoll | or community OBS | 12:22 |
| araujo | :) | 12:22 |
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| zek | wondering why are they .deb isn't Meego rpm based as said on wikipedia | 12:25 |
| dm8tbr | yes, vanilla meego is RPM based | 12:25 |
| arfoll | zek: yes it is rpm based, harmattan (or maemo6) is using deb. lots of discussion about it can be found ;-) | 12:26 |
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| zek | dm8tbr, hm, which that would be? | 12:28 |
| dm8tbr | MeeGo is RPM in general. | 12:28 |
| dm8tbr | only the Nokia Harmattan product has a 'meego' sticker on it and uses deb packaging | 12:29 |
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| zek | dm8tbr, ok, can you pass a link repos so i can check the packages there? | 12:30 |
| zek | dm8tbr, didn't find any relevant rpm for me yet | 12:31 |
| dm8tbr | what are you looking for if I may ask? | 12:31 |
| arfoll | zek: what device/meego build are you using? | 12:31 |
| zek | dm8tbr, an alien | 12:31 |
| zek | arfoll, i followed http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC | 12:32 |
| arfoll | ok then you are using an rpm meego | 12:32 |
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| arfoll | go to build.pub.meego.com -> search -> alien | 12:32 |
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| zek | arfoll, three results, on deb, two failed :( | 12:36 |
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| zek | or didn't publish | 12:36 |
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| zek | one* debian package | 12:36 |
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| zek | dm8tbr, so rpm in general eih? | 12:37 |
| arfoll | zek: then you know what your first community contribution can be ;-) | 12:37 |
| arfoll | a spec file for alien pkg so it can build on a meego target | 12:37 |
| zek | hate stupid generalization ppl | 12:37 |
| * dm8tbr doesn't see what 'alien' would be needed for on the N900 running MeeGo CE | 12:38 | |
| CosmoHill | zek: ppl = people or the package ppl? | 12:38 |
| zek | arfoll, with pleasure, just don't have a box under hand right now | 12:38 |
| arfoll | why do you need alien anyways? | 12:39 |
| CosmoHill | zek: you should be able to build alien on the OBS | 12:39 |
| zek | CosmoHill, yeah in sense of mammals | 12:40 |
| zek | arfoll, well i hoped i could install something left from maemo | 12:41 |
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| zek | CosmoHill, never heard of that, ill check it out anyway | 12:42 |
| CosmoHill | zek: the community obs is a build service used to create open source packages for meego, basically a build farm with a web interface | 12:43 |
| zek | CosmoHill, oh nice, so it's cloud based? | 12:44 |
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| CosmoHill | zek: also instead of installing something from maemo you could see if someone has rebuilt the package on the OBS | 12:44 |
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| zek | CosmoHill, can you enlightem me about noarch | 12:59 |
| CosmoHill | it's for thinks like configuraton files and man pages | 12:59 |
| zek | ah, i see | 12:59 |
| CosmoHill | non binary things that would be the same regardless of processor | 12:59 |
| arfoll | well actually anything thats arch independant, python apps are also noarch | 12:59 |
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| zek | arfoll, yeah i got it, also shell scripts | 13:10 |
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| zek | it was 7zip is all what i need! | 13:30 |
| zek | yay | 13:30 |
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| lcuk | interesting phone calls this week :) | 13:53 |
| alterego | Really? :) | 13:53 |
| lcuk | alterego, yeah | 13:54 |
| lcuk | I also went down to Manchester Univesity last night | 13:54 |
| lcuk | University * | 13:54 |
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| lcuk | to http://contentcreatorsessions.eventbrite.com/ | 13:54 |
| lcuk | fantastic lab they have there | 13:55 |
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| alterego | Cool | 13:56 |
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| CosmoHill | slaine: .o/ | 13:58 |
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| slaine | howdy | 13:58 |
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| lcuk | hi slaine | 14:01 |
| slaine | hi lcuk | 14:01 |
| slaine | how's the baby doing ? | 14:01 |
| lcuk | baby is massive and cute and adorable :D | 14:02 |
| lcuk | he has such a lovely smile | 14:02 |
| alterego | :) | 14:02 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: what's his name? | 14:04 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, Finlay fat pants | 14:06 |
| CosmoHill | hehe | 14:06 |
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| odin_ | git add -A -v -n # to review, then remove -n to do it for real, can still fix things since it does not commit anything | 14:56 |
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| sheunis | can someone please help me with wireless from the command line in Meego 1.0? | 15:46 |
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| sheunis | My wifi adapter works, but I seem to be having problems with Connman | 15:49 |
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| Venemo_N950 | good news: I got the ideapad! | 15:50 |
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| Venemo_N950 | I now only need to erase windows 7 starter from it and install meego | 15:58 |
| arfoll | Venemo_N950: before you do that upgrade the bops | 15:59 |
| arfoll | s/bops/bios | 15:59 |
| Venemo_N950 | arfoll, ok | 15:59 |
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| Venemo_N950 | I also wanna keep the wincrap "recovery partition" | 16:00 |
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| Venemo_N950 | it might come in handy when I sell it somewhen | 16:02 |
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| Venemo | hi MeeGoists! | 16:42 |
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| CosmoHill | .o/ | 16:43 |
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| niqt | hi | 16:47 |
| Venemo | where can I find a howto on installing MeeGo to the ideapad? | 16:47 |
| Venemo | win7 starter is driving me nuts | 16:48 |
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| annma | do you want to dual boot? | 16:48 |
| annma | or wipe it all | 16:48 |
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| Venemo | I want to keep the recovery partition, should I ever want windows back (when I sell it or sth), but I don't want dual boot | 16:49 |
| thiago | the installer lets you choose how to partition | 16:49 |
| annma | Venemo: get a Meego iso and it has several partitions choices | 16:50 |
| Venemo | iso? this stuff has no cd drive | 16:50 |
| annma | on my Wetab though I partitioned beforhand with a Live USB of GParted | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | usb stick | 16:50 |
| Venemo | hm, don't have an usb stick either. | 16:50 |
| annma | Venemo: either you trust yourself and meego to do it as yo uwant | 16:50 |
| annma | or you use GParted on an USB stick to partition | 16:51 |
| annma | no? | 16:51 |
| annma | how come | 16:51 |
| annma | everyone has an USB stick | 16:51 |
| thiago | Venemo: how are you going to install if you don't have a medium to put the installer on? | 16:51 |
| Venemo | valid question | 16:53 |
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| Venemo | I just don't have one at hand... | 16:54 |
| Venemo | can I use a USB HDD for this purpose, without destroying the data on it? | 16:54 |
| sheunis | venemo: there has to be some method to burn/copy a recovery image for the ideapad | 16:54 |
| sheunis | if you can do that, then it will usually enable you to restore it to its original state | 16:55 |
| Venemo | ok | 16:55 |
| Venemo | I updated the BIOS as arfoll said (although the latest update seems to be quite old | 16:55 |
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| Venemo | thiago, can I use an USB HDD instead of an USB stick, without destroying the data currently on it? | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | doubt it | 16:57 |
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| annma | Unetbootin maybe can install stuff | 16:58 |
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| thiago | Venemo: you need to write to a device's boot sector and partition table | 17:00 |
| thiago | Venemo: so you will lose any data on that device | 17:00 |
| Venemo | ok, understandable | 17:01 |
| Venemo | well then, I will empty the device | 17:01 |
| annma | check UNetbootin in frugal mode but the safest way is to have a USB stick, partition with GParted then install Meego | 17:01 |
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| sheunis | Anyone here that knows a lot about Connman? | 17:04 |
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| lcuk | sheunis, the people on the #connman channel will | 17:04 |
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| sheunis | lcuk: thanks for the pointer | 17:05 |
| sheunis | didnt know theres a channel for that | 17:05 |
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| lcuk | there is a channel for everything | 17:05 |
| berndhs | there is after you join it | 17:06 |
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| Venemo | hi! | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 19:30 |
| Venemo | so, I want to put MeeGo on the ideapad s10-3t. I have a USB HDD from which I backed up the necessary stuff. where can I find a MeeGo installer image, and how can I put it onto the USB HDD? (I'm assuming that I can boot from it on the ideapad and then I can install it.) | 19:31 |
| Venemo | is this the right place to start? https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-v1.2-netbooks | 19:33 |
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| dvalfre | Venemo: you can start from there | 19:34 |
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| Venemo | dvalfre, okay | 19:35 |
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| Venemo | I see there are a couple of known issues, are they fixed since 1.2.0? | 19:36 |
| dvalfre | Venemo: ideapad S10 is a convertible one, with touchscreen? | 19:36 |
| Venemo | dvalfre, correct. | 19:36 |
| dvalfre | then maybe the tablet image will work too | 19:36 |
| Venemo | tablet image is only a prerelease afaik | 19:37 |
| dvalfre | the one available in appdeveloper.intel.com, I guess | 19:37 |
| dvalfre | yes, but it should incorporate the touch drivers and libs | 19:37 |
| Venemo | touch drivers should be in the kernel, not in the UX. | 19:37 |
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| thiago | they are | 19:39 |
| thiago | but they are patches to the kernel, which is why they may not be in all builds | 19:39 |
| thiago | then there's the userspace side to make use of the information | 19:39 |
| Venemo | well, Qt can handle multitouch, can't it. | 19:39 |
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| Venemo | it seems that it'll take an hour for this crappy connection to dowload the image :( | 19:41 |
| thiago | only if you patch it | 19:41 |
| Venemo | what? | 19:41 |
| thiago | since X hasn't released XInput 2.1 yet, there's no official support | 19:41 |
| thiago | I've been waiting for this for over 2 years | 19:41 |
| Venemo | oooh | 19:42 |
| Venemo | so, let's make something clear | 19:42 |
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| Venemo | if I install one of the official MeeGo releases to my ideapad, then Qt won't support its multitouch screen out of the box? | 19:43 |
| thiago | the official MeeGo release might have the patch | 19:43 |
| Venemo | mhm | 19:43 |
| thiago | I think they all do, actually | 19:43 |
| Venemo | ok, so nothing to worry about | 19:43 |
| Venemo | or is there something I should be worried about? | 19:44 |
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| thiago | for the ideapad? I don't think so. | 19:46 |
| Venemo | thiago, I heard that XInput 2.1 is on its way | 19:46 |
| thiago | it's been on its way for 18 months | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | placespage.cpp:12: error: undefined reference to `vtable for PlacesPage' | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | any suggestions? I have Q_OBJECT macro | 19:47 |
| thiago | MohammadAG: rerun qmake | 19:47 |
| thiago | MohammadAG: please use #qt for that question | 19:47 |
| thiago | the bot there has a macro that lists all the possibilities | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | thiago, figured that since I'm using MTF... :) | 19:47 |
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| Venemo | thiago, hmm. | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | thanks thiago, worked | 19:48 |
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| Venemo | thiago, smoku said he tested multitouch with evdev and it worked | 19:50 |
| thiago | evdev is the output from the kernel | 19:50 |
| thiago | that means the kernel driver is fine | 19:50 |
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| thiago | then you need something in X that reads that information and passes it to the applications | 19:50 |
| Venemo | thiago, so does MeeGo's X currently support that or not? | 19:51 |
| thiago | that's the missing part. In MeeGo, we use mtev (X.org's evdev driver modified for MT) and a modified XInput 2.0. | 19:51 |
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| Venemo | I see | 19:51 |
| thiago | then Qt receives the modified XI2 and produces QTouchEvents | 19:51 |
| Venemo | aaah! so the point is that it works. | 19:51 |
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| EgeBamya1i | What do you think the chances are that some carrier pick up the N9 in the UK? Saw that Orange Switzerland is going to sell it. | 20:18 |
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| CosmoHill | EgeBamya1i: probably best to get an unlocked one and join giffgaff :)_ | 20:24 |
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| EgeBamya1i | CosmoHill: Oh, if i only could aford to buy a phone off the shelf.. | 20:27 |
| * CosmoHill shurgs | 20:28 | |
| CosmoHill | I just get my dad's ex contract phones | 20:28 |
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| Venemo | EgeBamya1i :) | 20:37 |
| * Venemo usually buys second-hand stuff, bought the N900 second-hand too | 20:37 | |
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| * CosmoHill normally gets given old stuff that nobody wants but is still better than what I currently had | 20:39 | |
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| * SpeedEvil gets phones sent to him free. | 20:43 | |
| SpeedEvil | Or alternatively, do way too much for them. | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Generally I'm in CosmoHills position for most hardware though. | 20:44 |
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| * CosmoHill got a quad core computer for £20 | 20:45 | |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 20:45 |
| CosmoHill | then spent £130 on upgrades | 20:46 |
| lcuk | heh CosmoHill | 20:47 |
| lcuk | Venemo, glad you got yourself an ideapad | 20:47 |
| lcuk | nice little machines :) | 20:47 |
| lcuk | I will have to get another one soon | 20:48 |
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| CosmoHill | it's a damn fast £20 | 20:50 |
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| Venemo | lcuk :) | 20:55 |
| Venemo | lcuk, yeah, although windows 7 starter is awful crap. MeeGo image is still being downloaded | 20:56 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, I have not used Windows 7 on my ideapad - from first light it has only had MeeGo on it | 20:58 |
| Venemo | lcuk, this one came with wincrap originally, and the previous owners also used that. | 20:59 |
| Venemo | lcuk, but don't worry, I will turn it to the light side of the force now :) | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, how well do qt apps work on win7? | 21:00 |
| lcuk | does your puzzlemaster work there? | 21:00 |
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| gandhijee_ | look for openmobile guys @ IDF.... they have neato mosquito | 21:01 |
| CosmoHill | win 7 starter is the first experience some people will have of windows 7 | 21:01 |
| CosmoHill | an experience with a blindfold and it's arms tied behind it's back that has been spun around and around | 21:01 |
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| ali1234 | windows 7 starter is exactly like windows 7 except you can't change the desktop wallpaer | 21:01 |
| CosmoHill | I thought MS broke it's legs before releasing it | 21:02 |
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| arfoll | i think you cant have more than 3 apps open at a time either | 21:02 |
| berndhs | isn't that the new design philosophy ? 1 app at a time, people are too stupid for more ? | 21:03 |
| Venemo | lcuk, it should, but I haven't tried for a while | 21:03 |
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| ali1234 | arfoll: no, that is incorrect | 21:03 |
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| Venemo | firefox says 9 minutes remaining for MeeGo image! | 21:03 |
| arfoll | ali1234: thats what i read, i've never tried. But i think alot of stuff doesnt count (IE, installers, taskbar stuff etc..) | 21:04 |
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| ali1234 | http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_install/windows-7-starter-what-are-the-limitations/422801d5-89de-494d-8cc1-6f4fc21c2ac0 | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | here is the actual list ^ | 21:04 |
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| ali1234 | in summary, no 64 bit edition, no aero theme, no wallpaper | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | no xp mode | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | everything else falls directly in the category "stuff no one cares about" | 21:05 |
| arfoll | ali1234: looks like they dropped the 3 apps max limit. http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_install/windows-7-starter-what-are-the-limitations/422801d5-89de-494d-8cc1-6f4fc21c2ac0 | 21:05 |
| arfoll | it was there though | 21:05 |
| arfoll | sorry this is the link : http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9133694/Microsoft_kills_Windows_7_Starter_s_3_app_limit | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | iow it was only ever a rumour before 7 was even released | 21:06 |
| arfoll | well more than a rumour : http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/archive/b/windows7/archive/2009/05/29/let-s-talk-about-windows-7-starter.aspx | 21:07 |
| arfoll | but yeah looks like it never really shipped that way | 21:07 |
| Venemo | anyway, it runs slowly as hell on the ideapad | 21:08 |
| Venemo | I certainly hope MeeGo will boot faster and run faster | 21:09 |
| Venemo | that's the only reason I've bought this stuff :) | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | it will boot and run faster | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | but it won't be any nicer to use | 21:09 |
| Venemo | ? | 21:09 |
| Venemo | why not? | 21:10 |
| ali1234 | due to meego not having a reasonable tablet UX | 21:10 |
| Venemo | well, netbook ux will do fine | 21:10 |
| arfoll | much better to use the netbook UX on it | 21:10 |
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| ali1234 | you can try to use netbook UX but you might as well have just bought a normal netbook for that | 21:10 |
| Venemo | I'll use the netbook ux, yes. | 21:10 |
| ali1234 | because netbook UX is horrible with a touchscreen | 21:10 |
| Venemo | I can always switch to cordia if I'm tired of netbook ux :) | 21:10 |
| ali1234 | the tablet UX otoh, is horrible if you also have a keyboard and mouse | 21:11 |
| Venemo | also, the keys on the ideapad seems to be not smaller than the keys on my normal laptop, which is a definite positive | 21:11 |
| Venemo | however, the two thingies on the edges of the keyboard are very annoying. | 21:12 |
| ali1234 | yes it does have massive keys | 21:12 |
| ali1234 | those are to stop the screen from wobbling when it is in tablet mode (it still wobbles anyway though) | 21:12 |
| Venemo | yep, I know | 21:12 |
| Venemo | but they annoy me while I'm typing. | 21:13 |
| Venemo | Fn, Ű, and PgUp/PgDown are in the wrong place, but I can get used to that. | 21:13 |
| arfoll | wait until you try to do copy and paste on the touchpad. now thats annoying | 21:13 |
| Venemo | apart from this, it's a perfect keyboard | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | do you type by mashing your palms against the kb? (is that why you need massive keys?) | 21:13 |
| Venemo | I have a wireless mouse | 21:13 |
| arfoll | yeah with a mouse its a great little netbook | 21:14 |
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| Venemo | ali1234, nope. however I prefer to lay my hands down to the area below the keys. | 21:14 |
| Venemo | and those two "wobble-stoppers" bother my little fingers in that position | 21:15 |
| Venemo | but I think I can get used to this small glitch :) | 21:15 |
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| Venemo | hm! | 21:22 |
| Venemo | the MeeGo image doesn't boot :( | 21:22 |
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| Venemo | I dd'd it to my USB HDD and booted the idapad from it, but all I see is a blank screen with a flickering cursor. | 21:23 |
| CosmoHill | Venemo: got your boot order right? | 21:23 |
| Venemo | CosmoHill, I pressed F12 and chose USB HDD | 21:24 |
| slaine | Venemo: check the md5's I geuss | 21:24 |
| slaine | 21:24 | |
| CosmoHill | you could try booting into run level 3 and then switch in to the live image or the installer | 21:24 |
| slaine | should just work though | 21:25 |
| Venemo | CosmoHill, as I said, it doesn't boot at all. | 21:25 |
| CosmoHill | Venemo: oh, not even the boot loader? | 21:25 |
| Venemo | nope. | 21:25 |
| CosmoHill | does the idea pad have an optical drive? | 21:25 |
| slaine | Like I said, check the md5sums of the image and try dd'ing again | 21:25 |
| Venemo | ok | 21:26 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: nope | 21:26 |
| Venemo | slaine, md5sum checks out for the downloaded file | 21:26 |
| Venemo | maybe dd screwed it up? | 21:26 |
| slaine | it's possibly | 21:26 |
| slaine | what was the dd command ? | 21:27 |
| slaine | was it via linux | 21:27 |
| Venemo | 'sudo dd bs=4096 if=meego-netbook-ia32-1.2.0.img of=/dev/sdb1' | 21:27 |
| Venemo | yes, I'm running on F15 right now | 21:27 |
| slaine | Ah | 21:27 |
| Venemo | and yes, I'm SURE that /dev/sdb1 is the right hard drive | 21:27 |
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| slaine | of=/dev/sdb | 21:27 |
| Venemo | oh. | 21:27 |
| Venemo | ok! :) | 21:28 |
| slaine | You're writing a drive image, not a partition image | 21:28 |
| Venemo | yeah, right | 21:28 |
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| Venemo | I should have known that | 21:28 |
| slaine | easy mistake | 21:28 |
| Venemo | ok, it's booting now | 21:29 |
| Venemo | I chose "installation only" | 21:30 |
| slaine | I once had a problem with some new hardware from a supplier. The QA guys had a version too that had Windows running and all the drivers etc and everything was working, I was trying to get linux working and having problems. I asked him to dd their drive and send it to me. | 21:30 |
| slaine | I got the drive a couple of days later, written entirely with 0's | 21:30 |
| Venemo | ouch | 21:30 |
| slaine | I should have been clearer when I said to dd the drive, I meant for them to dd an image off the drive, not wipe it | 21:31 |
| slaine | :-D | 21:31 |
| arfoll | well at least they didn't take dd to mean destroy or something... | 21:31 |
| Venemo | :D | 21:31 |
| Venemo | ok, I have 5 partitions on the ideapad right now. | 21:32 |
| Venemo | which one is wincrap's recovery partition? I want to keep it. | 21:32 |
| Venemo | is it the first 200 MB NTFS? just askin because it seems rather small for such a purpose. | 21:32 |
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| Venemo | anyone any ideas? | 21:35 |
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| slaine | Venemo: yes it is | 21:35 |
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| slaine | First 2 partitions should be windows, 1 is the system recovery and the other is the c: drive | 21:36 |
| Venemo | slaine, and how can it recover a ~15 GB operating system from 200 MB? | 21:36 |
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| CosmoHill | Venemo: windows has two partitions, reserve and the main one (C:) | 21:38 |
| CosmoHill | pre-build computers have a 3rd which is a factory image used to restore the computer | 21:38 |
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| CosmoHill | IIRC the system reserve is like /boot but for windows | 21:39 |
| Venemo | mhmm | 21:40 |
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| Venemo | it seems that the last 15GB of the drive (which is sda4), is, according to wincrap, an "OEM-partition" | 21:41 |
| slaine | If I recall correctly, that partition contains binary diffs of certain files | 21:41 |
| Venemo | so I guess that's gonna be it. | 21:41 |
| * slaine doesn't actually use windows so is guessing | 21:41 | |
| CosmoHill | Venemo: yeah | 21:41 |
| CosmoHill | some pre-builds have the BIOS configured so if you press a button at boot it will boot from partition X | 21:42 |
| Venemo | CosmoHill, so if I keep that one OEM partition and demolish the rest, will it be still able to restore wincrap? | 21:42 |
| CosmoHill | hopefully | 21:42 |
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| Venemo | CosmoHill, yeah. it has a button in the top left of the body (bottm left of the screen) with a small arrow icon | 21:42 |
| Venemo | that boots the recovery stuff | 21:42 |
| Venemo | that's what I'll do then. leave that partition and demolish the rest. | 21:43 |
| CosmoHill | if you wanted you could probably add it to grub afterwards | 21:43 |
| Venemo | F12 = Fn+F11 is a bit weird. | 21:44 |
| CosmoHill | yes, it is | 21:44 |
| Venemo | also, do you guys remove these stickers from the left and right side of the screen? | 21:44 |
| CosmoHill | I still have Windows Vista sticker on my laptop | 21:45 |
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| CosmoHill | hell I have stickers on my mac :) | 21:45 |
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| Venemo | so... I deleted the futile partitions. what kind of partitions do I need to create for MeeGo? | 21:47 |
| CosmoHill | are you having just meego on there? | 21:47 |
| Venemo | I want to have just MeeGo. (and keep this recovery shit) | 21:47 |
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| CosmoHill | /boot swap and / should be alright | 21:48 |
| slaine | Venemo: did you get any recovery media in the box ? | 21:48 |
| Venemo | slaine, nope. no CD or anything | 21:48 |
| CosmoHill | you can have simpler / and swap if you'd prefer | 21:48 |
| slaine | By default, MeeGo uses Btrfs | 21:49 |
| Venemo | CosmoHill, what file systems are preferred for each, and what is the default layout? | 21:49 |
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| CosmoHill | ext3 swap and btrfs | 21:49 |
| slaine | I can't recall the default layout, my meego netbook is in a cupboard at home gather dust | 21:49 |
| Venemo | I know that for instance, /boot can't be btrfs (at least F15 didn't let me) | 21:49 |
| Venemo | CosmoHill, so ext3 /boot, swap, and btrfs for / | 21:50 |
| slaine | Yeah, ext3, swap and btrfs as CosmoHill said | 21:50 |
| Venemo | ? | 21:50 |
| slaine | nod | 21:50 |
| CosmoHill | yep | 21:50 |
| slaine | I've meego stickers on my ideapad | 21:50 |
| slaine | :) | 21:50 |
| Venemo | how much space should go to each? | 21:50 |
| Venemo | slaine, WHERE CAN I OBTAIN A MEEGO STICKER???? | 21:50 |
| * Venemo wants MeeGo stickers! | 21:50 | |
| CosmoHill | /boot = 200, swap = double RAM and the remainder for / | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I can carve one out of this bananna skin, and post it to you | 21:51 |
| slaine | That was at the MeeGo conf in Dublin when they where giving them out. we took off the windows stickers and put meego ones on | 21:51 |
| Venemo | CosmoHill, will 200 be enough for /boot? Fedora usually leaves 500 MB for it afaik | 21:51 |
| slaine | Venemo: more than enough | 21:51 |
| Venemo | slaine, mewantsthat too | 21:51 |
| CosmoHill | you can go for 500 if you'd like | 21:51 |
| Venemo | slaine, ok. | 21:51 |
| Venemo | why waste? :) | 21:51 |
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| slaine | Fedora has a large /boot to allow for preupgrade to download a load of stuff to /boot when doing an upgrade between distros | 21:52 |
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| slaine | I've meego installed on an 8Gb flash based Dell Mini 9 at home | 21:52 |
| Venemo | slaine, ok :) | 21:52 |
| slaine | it's more than enough for a basic web/email type box | 21:52 |
| Venemo | slaine, does MeeGo handle dist upgrades in a saner way? | 21:53 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 21:53 |
| CosmoHill | a fresh install | 21:53 |
| slaine | :) | 21:53 |
| Venemo | lol | 21:53 |
| Venemo | hm | 21:53 |
| Venemo | the touchpad is lousy | 21:53 |
| Venemo | is that normal? | 21:53 |
| Venemo | hmmm, error: "too many primary partitions" wut's that mean? | 21:54 |
| Aard | more than 4 primary partitions? | 21:55 |
| Venemo | dunno why they were primary at all | 21:55 |
| Venemo | I made a /boot, a swap, and a /, and there was an ntfs for the recovery crap | 21:55 |
| Venemo | this sounds like 4, although the / appeared as "extended" | 21:56 |
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| Venemo | Aard, how can I solve this? (Fedora installation didn't complain about such things) | 21:57 |
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| slaine | You can create swap and / as logical partitions | 21:58 |
| Venemo | ok | 21:58 |
| Aard | Venemo: remove one of the primary partitions, create an extended partition covering the remaining free space, and create logical partitions | 21:58 |
| Venemo | aah. | 21:58 |
| Venemo | should /boot be primary? | 21:58 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 21:58 |
| Aard | depends on your bootloader, but usually pes | 21:59 |
| Venemo | ok. | 21:59 |
| Venemo | also, how can I change my keyboard layout? | 22:00 |
| Venemo | I have a nice Hungarian keyboard, but the installer never asked about it, just assumed the English layout. | 22:00 |
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| Aard | /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-input-default.conf | 22:01 |
| Aard | chang ethe XkbLayout setting there | 22:01 |
| Venemo | ok | 22:01 |
| Venemo | also, how do I create an extended partition with the installer? | 22:01 |
| Venemo | it doesn't seem to have this option | 22:01 |
| Aard | if you create a logical partition it should automatically create the extended partition | 22:02 |
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| Venemo | and how can I make them logical? | 22:02 |
| Venemo | no such checkbox here | 22:02 |
| Aard | the extended partition part is only interesting when you do the partitioning manually (i.e., fdisk) | 22:02 |
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| slaine | it should be a selection box when setting the details of the partition | 22:02 |
| Aard | then it should do it automatically | 22:03 |
| Venemo | no such option. | 22:03 |
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| Venemo | there is a "force to be a primary partition" option only. | 22:03 |
| slaine | it's an anaconda installer, so it should be the same as your previous Fedora installs | 22:03 |
| slaine | Well, delete the partitions you created | 22:03 |
| slaine | create the /boot one and check the force to be primary | 22:04 |
| slaine | then create swap and / and don't enable it for those | 22:04 |
| slaine | anaconda should be smart enough to sort it out for you | 22:04 |
| Venemo | ok. | 22:04 |
| Venemo | will try. | 22:04 |
| Aard | or just create partitions manually with fdisk, reboot, and tell it which partitions to use for what | 22:04 |
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| Venemo | well, it indeed does create an extended partition for / | 22:05 |
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| Venemo | and it did last time too | 22:05 |
| Venemo | so I don't understand the reason for that error then | 22:06 |
| Venemo | mhm | 22:06 |
| Venemo | same error now too | 22:06 |
| Venemo | h | 22:10 |
| Venemo | hm | 22:10 |
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| Venemo | I'll try "delete all Linux partitions and create default layout" option now | 22:15 |
| Venemo | since I've already deleted the wincrap partitions, this should work | 22:16 |
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| Venemo | ok, it works now | 22:17 |
| Venemo | btw, netbook ux doesn't seem to be touch optimized at all :) | 22:17 |
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| Stskeeps | it's not really supposed to be | 22:18 |
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| Venemo | I know :) | 22:18 |
| Venemo | tablet ux is too prerelease for my taste | 22:18 |
| Venemo | maybe I'll install cordia when I got bored of the netbook ux :) | 22:18 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, I notice only a few distractions in netbook when using it | 22:26 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, well, no kinetic scrolling, and some buttons are too small to hit accurately | 22:31 |
| Venemo | also the MeeGo tab bar is hard to pop out with the touchscreen because of the top edge | 22:31 |
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| Venemo | hmm... in My web accounts, there are only Facebook and SmugMug... can't I add twitter? :O | 22:33 |
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