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| Robot101 | DawnFoster: should things like http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-ux-components not have COPYING files? | 00:03 |
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| Robot101 | DawnFoster: some of the QML files say LGPL 2.1 but you can easily find other source files with no licence/copyright info - http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-ux-components/blobs/master/src/components/indicators/batteryindicator.cpp | 00:04 |
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| vgrade | and some have this, http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-ux-theme/blobs/master/COPYING | 00:12 |
| vgrade | ouch | 00:12 |
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| Robot101 | vgrade: yeah but that's a different module - and a different battle - there being software which is ambiguously/un licensed - is just wrong | 00:13 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Hey Sage! | 00:22 |
| vgrade | Alison_Chaiken, evening | 00:23 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Hey vgrade. Sage is reputed to have fixedBug 22515 - [IVI] Festival requires festival-voice but I still get an error when running mic2. | 00:24 |
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| vgrade | a litte late for Sage, I expect he will readback | 00:25 |
| Alison_Chaiken | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22515 says home:marko.saukko:branches:Trunk:Testing | 00:25 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 22515 nor, Undecided, ---, jimmy.huang, RESO FIXED, [IVI] Festival requires festival-voice (unsatisfied dependency) | 00:25 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I guess that means I need to add home:marko.saukko:branches:Trunk:Testing to my list of repos and pull Festival from there? | 00:26 |
| vgrade | yes just cheched the commit date 23.08 | 00:27 |
| vgrade | may not be in the repos yet | 00:28 |
| vgrade | Alison_Chaiken, still working on the Exo | 00:30 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Me too. I am getting meego-ux-ivi to work better on it using the tablet kernel instead of the auto one. | 00:31 |
| Alison_Chaiken | How's the trimslice? | 00:31 |
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| vgrade | I've been on vacation for the last two weeks and in Germany this week so not a lot of progress :( | 00:33 |
| vgrade | back at home next week so lots to o | 00:33 |
| vgrade | there was a question about your chroot method and wifi earlier | 00:34 |
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| arfoll | vgrade, stskeeps, do you remember arm smp pulseaudio bug we where talking about a while back (i can't find it in the logs), any of you still have that link with the old patch? | 00:34 |
| vgrade | guy is off now though | 00:34 |
| vgrade | its in the bug I think, secc | 00:35 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Oh well, whoever should be able to contact me through wiki if nowhere else. | 00:35 |
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| vgrade | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13567#c2 | 00:37 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 13567 cri, Medium, ---, vivian.zhang, NEW, Pulseaudio mutex issue | 00:37 |
| arfoll | vgrade, thanks i'll take a look this week, i tried enabling arm atomic barriers in pulseaudio which was supposed to fix similar issues but it didn't work | 00:38 |
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| vgrade | yea, that one s on my list todo | 00:44 |
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| javispedro | congrats for the sensorfw framework, I'm liking it so far. | 00:57 |
| javispedro | oops, redundant acronym syndrome. | 00:58 |
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| javispedro | the only weird part is that some settings are global instead of per session... | 01:16 |
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| npm | packaged for meego 1.2 netbook/tablet " sudo zypper in http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qmltube-1.11.1-1.i586.rpm " | 02:19 |
| npm | ^^ let me know if it works for you | 02:21 |
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| * jonwil wonders if anyone is porting MeeGo to the HP Touch | 04:42 | |
| jonwil | TouchPad now that its so cheap... | 04:42 |
| cumhursarac | <cumhursarac> hi | 04:43 |
| cumhursarac | <cumhursarac> pys60 channel is empty | 04:43 |
| cumhursarac | <cumhursarac> so help me pls | 04:43 |
| cumhursarac | <cumhursarac> i coded a python script for desktop. now i want to port it to s60 | 04:43 |
| cumhursarac | <cumhursarac> but i have a problem about writing my data "list" to a e32dbm db file | 04:43 |
| cumhursarac | <cumhursarac> i get an error that tells me "only string values are accepted" | 04:43 |
| cumhursarac | <cumhursarac> are there any way to store lists in e32dm file? | 04:43 |
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| meegomy | hi Stskeeps | 05:15 |
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| iluminator101 | who has put meego on ht touthcpad | 05:22 |
| iluminator101 | hp* | 05:22 |
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| iekku | morning | 06:08 |
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| meegomy | morning iekku | 06:12 |
| meegomy | have anyone involve in meego meetup? | 06:13 |
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| iekku | meegomy, which one? | 06:47 |
| meegomy | where are you located? iekku? | 06:47 |
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| iekku | meegomy, finland, tampere | 07:02 |
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| meegomy | have you guys done any meetup on ur own region? | 07:07 |
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| iekku | meegomy, yes, we have once a month... http://meegonetwork.fi/ | 07:37 |
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| meegomy | nice.. is that involving Nokia? | 07:40 |
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| Stskeeps | usually just a bunch of inviduals from different places and companies meeting up, some companies sponsoring once in a while :) | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | meego is not only intel or nokia so | 07:42 |
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| meegomy | we going to have our 1st gathering in malaysia | 07:59 |
| meegomy | we are looking for sponsor now | 07:59 |
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| Stskeeps | cool, good luck :) | 08:01 |
| meegomy | its harder than i could imagine :( | 08:02 |
| iekku | meegomy, that's sad, but good luck with meetup | 08:09 |
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| meegomy | the sponsor was asking for what they could benefit from this meetup. I still thinking the best answer for them | 08:11 |
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| Stskeeps | meegomy: good reputation with eventual recruits, a view into open source communities, etc.. | 08:12 |
| Bostik | meegomy: contacts with already talented developers, potential new recruits, networking with people who *know* their trade, ... | 08:12 |
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| Bostik | and certainly not the least: visibility | 08:13 |
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| dm8tbr | it needs someone who can see behind the immediate return on investment | 08:14 |
| Bostik | it's like with assembly - I wondered why on earth would cisco LOAN their hardware for their networking setups, year after year - and then one of the old netcrew guys explained: it gives them lots of visibility among people who know their trade, and gives them an opportunity to run massive stress-tests on their hardware in environment and scale which would be either hideously expensive or outright impossible to organise in a test lab | 08:15 |
| dm8tbr | besides we had a full blown picnic for 20-30ppl and used about 75eur for that... | 08:15 |
| Bostik | now that's cheap | 08:16 |
| dm8tbr | the cisco case has tangible results :) | 08:16 |
| dm8tbr | ok, drinks were not included. that would easily triple the budget | 08:16 |
| Bostik | dm8tbr: yes, but even then it is a case which wasn't immediately obvious :) | 08:16 |
| dm8tbr | Tieto sponsored the food, Nokia the drinks. that's why I know about the food side | 08:17 |
| Bostik | but in any case, it might be good to start with saying that sponsor should think of the event as a low-cost recruitment happening | 08:18 |
| Bostik | that makes sense to even short-term thinkers | 08:19 |
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| lcuk | we have had productive morning so far | 13:02 |
| lcuk | meego-arm has been discussing a potential meego 2.0 thanks to Stskeeps | 13:03 |
| lcuk | which seems quite a jump | 13:03 |
| lcuk | but with the work he is starting on a reduced set of packages may provide the basis for this | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | who are you talking to? :P | 13:04 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, the 446 people who think nothing is happening because all the work goes on in side channels | 13:05 |
| hena | me :) | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | ah, fair enough | 13:05 |
| lcuk | transparency etc | 13:05 |
| biedro | any more info available regarding plans for 2.0? | 13:05 |
| biedro | :) and me | 13:05 |
| hena | i only lurk on this channel | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | biedro: don't think any exists, people talk about 1.4, 1.5 at the moment | 13:05 |
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| lcuk | if we did more work "in the open" on the main channel then momentum would build better | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | and well, a good motivation to discuss ways and how is by doing prototypes | 13:06 |
| biedro | Stskeeps, thats why I was just wandering what changes it could bring :) | 13:07 |
| lcuk | biedro, I am interested in creating the CE ux layer ontop of this work | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | biedro: personally i'd like a focus much more on providing for QML and HTML5 apps, less on the binary compatibility side | 13:09 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, html5 :P aiming for windows compatability too now! | 13:12 |
| * lcuk thinks that is viable though as well | 13:13 | |
| biedro | by QML you mean QML + C++ code appliactions or pure QML/JS - I am asking for pure curiosity - I had read some time ago about project aimed to allow QML be "run" by a browser with html5 support. | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | biedro: pure qml/js | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | js is actually more expressive than people initially think in terms of qobjects etc | 13:13 |
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| leinir | Yeah, it's really quite powerful :) | 13:14 |
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| biedro | Stskeeps, thx - now I will start dreaming about future and how the app/gaming ecosystem will look like :) | 13:17 |
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| lcuk | biedro, you can help define it :) | 13:18 |
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| lcuk | leinir, how did the gluon sessions go recently? | 13:24 |
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| leinir | lcuk: the talk at the desktop summit was pretty good, if a little chaotic, and the BoF was small but quite successful :) | 13:44 |
| leinir | The GDCE session was cancelled due to lack of signups for the applab, but GDCE itself was a total blast :) | 13:45 |
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| lcuk | leinir, alterego was discussing setting up high score table stuff and I suggested gluon towards this, is it something already plumbed in? | 13:50 |
| leinir | We're going to be using GGZ's APIs for that :) | 13:52 |
| lcuk | what is GGZ? | 13:52 |
| leinir | (it's too game-specific to be something that'd fit into OCS) | 13:52 |
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| leinir | GGZ Gaming Zone, a set of APIs for open games :) | 13:52 |
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| leinir | http://www.ggzgamingzone.org/ | 13:52 |
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| lcuk | leinir, I thought gluon was a set of apis for open gaming?! | 13:52 |
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| leinir | lcuk: Gluon's a framework for building games, Gaming Freedom is the project around it, and Gluon uses a bunch of web APIs for the data exchange, one of which is GGZ :) | 13:54 |
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| lcuk | right, so alterego might not even need to write such a thing if ggz will provide them? | 13:56 |
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| lcuk | (if he was basing around gluon) | 13:57 |
| leinir | *nods* Yes :) | 13:57 |
| leinir | And even if he didn't base his work around Gluon, he's want to take a look at what GGZ provides :) | 13:57 |
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| lcuk | good idea | 13:57 |
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| leinir | It's kind of what we've been doing - seeing what's already out there, then tying it together, and filling in the gaps :) | 13:58 |
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| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: http://pastie.org/2427261 | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | self-consistent set that can build itself | 14:01 |
| ScriptRipper | MeeGo base build ? | 14:02 |
| ScriptRipper | ala openSUSE Base build ? | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | a little like that yeah | 14:02 |
| ScriptRipper | so you reduced the cycles to 1 ? | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | well, if you were to do everything from scratch (wipebinaries) it would be more | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | but it greatly reduces cycles | 14:03 |
| ScriptRipper | sure | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | glibc not triggering tons of rebuilds is a good thing :) | 14:03 |
| ScriptRipper | yes, a very good thing | 14:03 |
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| ScriptRipper | especially because glibc binary interface *should never change* | 14:04 |
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| ScriptRipper | by definition | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | then to make a port, let's say, meego armv7hl, i have a project called Crosshelpers which is all the -x86 stuff etc | 14:04 |
| ScriptRipper | yes | 14:04 |
| ScriptRipper | I wanted to package the cross helpers to one pkg anyway | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | i make a new project, linkpac in the crosshelpers, linkpac gcc to cross-* and binutils-*, and then <link project=":Base"> | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | so it's very nice to start a build with | 14:05 |
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| biedro | any idea if MeeGo future releases gonna choose systemd, or upstart or something different? | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | we're on systemd in 1.3 | 15:12 |
| biedro | allright, thx | 15:12 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, i think a collation of where each piece of meego is upto and organising a meeting to actually straighten and realign stuff would be useful | 15:21 |
| berndhs | lcuk: that's assuming they want to talk :) | 15:22 |
| lcuk | there is that | 15:22 |
| lcuk | but since I have been asked to try and organise the -CE governance structure and roadmap | 15:23 |
| lcuk | we have to start somewhere | 15:23 |
| berndhs | yes | 15:23 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, where does #grande sit within your plans? | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: UX level/middleware | 15:55 |
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| lcuk | seems reasonable, I shall put it on the initial steering group outline | 15:59 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: steering group? | 16:02 |
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| berndhs | careful, "steering group" people have a tendency to disappear | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: we're working on a way to do a community governance of the CE UI project | 16:03 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: cool! Thanks. | 16:04 |
| lcuk | well that is the opposite of what I am trying to achieve | 16:04 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: what's the opposte? the coolness of it? | 16:04 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, you are rather downbeat today | 16:04 |
| berndhs | yeah, perhaps a little | 16:05 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, well we have put a lot of effort into the -CE build last few months and wanting to ensure that it continues and gains more momentum | 16:05 |
| berndhs | you have to consider though, that a governing body type of thing can serve as an excuse for people to not take responsibility | 16:06 |
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| gabrbedd | berndhs: how is that different from a lack of governing body type of thing? | 16:06 |
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| berndhs | well, if the steering folks don't show up, its not different | 16:07 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: true. reminds me of a project I know very well. | 16:07 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 16:07 |
| lcuk | berndhs, 1.3 and beyond is seemingly wonky and we have to give some focus towards roadmapping what we can achieve | 16:08 |
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| berndhs | right, you need to have a plan of some sort. A flexible plan probably, but still | 16:10 |
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| gabrbedd | s/probably/definately/ | 16:11 |
| lcuk | berndhs, one step at a time yes, I am writing initial document this afternoon and then it can be organised and changed as required | 16:11 |
| * lcuk would rather put something up than sit triddling thumbs | 16:11 | |
| Stskeeps | and remember that the mailing list for CE is meego-handset@ :) | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | (we dont need to crosspost) | 16:11 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: Stskeeps: Sorry I haven't been much help, lately. :-( I really love MeeGo, but my work responsibilities have been changing. | 16:13 |
| slaine | gabrbedd: story of my life | 16:13 |
| slaine | every time I think it's about to get quiet and I can start on something, bamn, I over loaded again | 16:13 |
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| slaine | had really wanted to get some projects done over the summer, now the kids are back at school next week. Argh!!! | 16:14 |
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| lcuk | slaine, that would be peaceful time? | 16:14 |
| slaine | you're kidding right | 16:15 |
| slaine | unless your kids are dream kids and do their homework | 16:15 |
| lcuk | well having them out at school during daytime is peaceful for working | 16:15 |
| slaine | There's music lessons, swimming lessons, something else I can't think of and then homework | 16:15 |
| slaine | Yeah, I'm working at the office on work stuff, it's my home time / down time that I try and get meego project work done | 16:16 |
| veskuh | lcuk: Somewhat related, PySide -project is also thinking about its future: http://lists.pyside.org/pipermail/pyside/2011-August/002816.html | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: yeah, any input / contribution is welcome :) | 16:17 |
| arfoll | if people's kids here where on irc they would cry | 16:18 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: ACK :-) | 16:19 |
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| gabrbedd | arfoll: Yeah, I too have a tough time balancing my zeal for cool projects... and all their damn activities. :-) | 16:19 |
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| slaine | lol | 16:20 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, the CE should be firstly a stable project and UX for you and others to build open products from | 16:30 |
| lcuk | coolness comes later when everybody can use them without thinking | 16:30 |
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| javispedro | regarding OBS, tonight it did a weird thing | 16:54 |
| javispedro | it was totally idle, I submitted SDL | 16:54 |
| javispedro | there's 3 linked copies of it (:P) so it started three building instances at the same time | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | you do know that when you mod a package, all packages that depend on it, rebuild? | 16:55 |
| javispedro | one out of three was in the "Updating...." state for about 4 hours (the one djzsapi complains about) | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | do you use cmake? | 16:55 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: no, autoconf | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:56 |
| javispedro | but after being in such state for that many hours it suddenly started building | 16:57 |
| javispedro | then finished in 30 minutes | 16:57 |
| javispedro | (SDL does not build in parallel because OBS/Debian does NOT set parallel DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS) | 16:57 |
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| gabrbedd | javispedro: sounds like OBS is constipated. | 16:58 |
| javispedro | (the other two instances started building immediately and thus finished in 30 minutes) | 16:58 |
| javispedro | gabrbedd: yeah :D | 16:58 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: why do you mention the dependent packages stuff? | 16:59 |
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| javispedro | I did notice there's a bunch of dependent, probably around 30. They were correctly blocked until the first of the three building instances finished. | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: dunno :P | 16:59 |
| javispedro | of the dependent packages, also one got stuck in the "Updating..." state | 17:00 |
| javispedro | it had nothing in common with the first one that got stuck: it was assigned a different vm, it was on a different repo, and it was much smaller. | 17:00 |
| javispedro | to sum it up: | 17:00 |
| javispedro | nfi. | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like an odd issue where a builder picks up a job but takes ages to pick up the packages | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | ie, downloading the packages needed | 17:01 |
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| javispedro | yes, I considered it had something to do with the size of the packages it has to pickup, but seemingly not | 17:01 |
| javispedro | it is more random :S | 17:02 |
| javispedro | but according to what they told me at that stage it is fetching packages.. | 17:02 |
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| gabrbedd | javispedro: Stskeeps I've heard DawnFoster say that MeeGo is using a huge chunk of OSU's resources. That the load is mostly OBS, and that OSU isn't happy with us because of it. | 17:03 |
| javispedro | also, I ponder if the triple-build can be avoided somehow; if it can notice it is building the same package three times and stop it. | 17:03 |
| gabrbedd | I wonder if they are simply trying to throttle the peak loads. | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: did you see the rack picture? :) | 17:03 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: no, I didn't. | 17:04 |
| gabrbedd | Got link? | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: i'm trying to do my part at least, been pushing build cycle reduction patches for the last few days | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150271409177950&set=a.10150271401187950.337462.9136692949&type=1&theater | 17:04 |
| * javispedro shudders, _throttling_ :S | 17:05 | |
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| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: wow! We really need /that/ many?? | 17:06 |
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| javispedro | uh | 17:07 |
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| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: OBS rebuilds are brutal, or rather, when i'm done with my patches, less brutal | 17:07 |
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| Stskeeps | http://build.meego.com/monitor | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | (that view may be inaccurate) | 17:08 |
| javispedro | also https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor | 17:08 |
| * javispedro tries to figure if the rather large spike in the number of blocked packages in armv8el is his fault | 17:08 | |
| arfoll | why would OSU care? surely LF pays the electricity bill and the servers? | 17:08 |
| arfoll | nice pictures though | 17:08 |
| javispedro | I ponder if they day'll come when we have to mark certain packages as crossbuild capable and forget about qemu | 17:10 |
| javispedro | if only for cputime reasons | 17:10 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: qemu isn't that slow and we spend most of the time in the x86 cross compilers anyway | 17:12 |
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| gabrbedd | arfoll: I can't explain. I don't fully grok the relationship between Intel, LF, and OSU. | 17:14 |
| arfoll | gabrbedd, no worries - it doesn't really matter, just curious | 17:15 |
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| gabrbedd | arfoll: If I were to guess, I would speculate that OSU is partly volunteering server resources. | 17:17 |
| njozwiak_ | Hi- I'm having an issue using the kickstart image for the ExoPC Slate at http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_IVI_on_ExoPC#MIC_Kickstart_version. Installation goes without error, but on boot I hit filesystem errors. | 17:18 |
| njozwiak_ | failed start-Udev | 17:18 |
| njozwiak_ | fsck.btrfs: invalid option -- 'p' | 17:18 |
| njozwiak_ | fsck.ext3: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sda1 | 17:18 |
| njozwiak_ | I tried reinstalling it just to make sure it wasn't an error with the installation, and no change. | 17:19 |
| njozwiak_ | I checked the partition table when I reinstalled and it looked normal. sda1 /boot, sda2 / and sda3 as swap | 17:20 |
| njozwiak_ | sda2 was formatted as its default btrfs | 17:20 |
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| njozwiak_ | any ideas? | 17:21 |
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| lcuk | Robot101, did you notice the licenses stuff on just a couple of files or have you spotted it in more places? | 17:29 |
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| * lcuk notes that the -CE licensing files needs aligning | 17:31 | |
| biedro | njozwiak_, I just recently been playing with meego ivi on lenovo s10-3t - and was able to run 1.1 version without big problems | 17:31 |
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| biedro | but as i can see on this wiki it is some "special" image... so no idea - just thought it might help | 17:32 |
| biedro | for 1.2 i had to remove and download additional drivers | 17:33 |
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| njozwiak_ | biedro: how did you remove/install drivers? | 17:38 |
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| njozwiak_ | nasa recommends removing the emgd driver and installing the mesa driver, but I am unable to bringup wireless to do so | 17:38 |
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| njozwiak_ | the build does not have dhclient or any application to retrieve IP information and manual IP assignments are not working for wlan0 | 17:39 |
| biedro | wired connection... | 17:39 |
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| biedro | zypper install mesa-dri-i915-driver | 17:40 |
| biedro | zypper remove emgd-bin | 17:40 |
| njozwiak_ | my tablet doesn't have an eth jack | 17:40 |
| biedro | and then uxlaunch started to work ;) | 17:40 |
| biedro | but it was strictly graphics problem... | 17:40 |
| biedro | and in your case seems like some harddrive partition issue? | 17:41 |
| biedro | I am green in this :( sorry | 17:41 |
| njozwiak_ | well, this fs problem is not using the standard ivi image | 17:41 |
| njozwiak_ | (it's okay, I'm new to this system too. Only been working with it for about a week.) | 17:41 |
| njozwiak_ | when I use the IVI image I have the same graphics problem as most people with this tablet | 17:42 |
| njozwiak_ | I just couldn't install the other graphics drivers because I didn't have network access | 17:42 |
| njozwiak_ | maybe I need to pickup an eth2usb | 17:42 |
| njozwiak_ | seems silly thogh | 17:42 |
| biedro | is there some usb port - for a pendrive sollution? :) | 17:42 |
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| biedro | I guess You could get mesa-dri-i915-driver from some repo | 17:43 |
| njozwiak_ | I have 2 USB host ports | 17:43 |
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| biedro | look for mesa-dri-i915-driver-x.x.x.x.i586 | 17:44 |
| njozwiak_ | I know yum provides a localinstall option | 17:44 |
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| biedro | or any other architecture :/ | 17:44 |
| njozwiak_ | and I believe zypper is rpm based as well | 17:44 |
| njozwiak_ | but I don't see a localinstall option for zypper | 17:44 |
| biedro | sudo rpm -ivh package.rpm ? | 17:45 |
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| lcuk | does anybody remember where the url for a meego tablet concept desktop was? | 17:47 |
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| lcuk | ahha http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/03/conceptual-meego-tablet-ui-pictures/ | 17:48 |
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| biedro | :) | 17:48 |
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| lcuk | . o O ( meecast, shopper, liqcalendar ) | 17:49 |
| lcuk | lbt ^ | 17:50 |
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| jedix | anyone know how connman knows which connection is the `favorite` one? | 17:51 |
| jedix | I don't have the gui to select it | 17:51 |
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| dlaflamm | along the same lines as lcuk's question, is there one location that summaries the various tablet UX projects people are working on? | 17:55 |
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| jedix | sounds like an apple lawyer :P | 17:56 |
| lcuk | we have applications list for the -CE build with links to various bugtrackers etc | 17:56 |
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| leinir | and the Active team's working in their own channel and such too | 18:01 |
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| lcuk | leinir, don't think that is listed, but potentially should be | 18:04 |
| lcuk | good idea | 18:04 |
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| leinir | There's in essence one thing missing before it can call itself a proper MeeGo UX - network management :) | 18:06 |
| leinir | in short, a plasmoid is needed to control connman... the rest is there :) | 18:07 |
| lcuk | leinir, a tricky problem at the best of times | 18:07 |
| leinir | Yeah | 18:07 |
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| lcuk | leinir, I will add that to the todo list :) | 18:08 |
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| lcuk | leinir, that concept also lacks gaming stuff | 18:09 |
| lcuk | many people use tablets for recreational fun too! | 18:10 |
| leinir | *nods* :) | 18:10 |
| leinir | That, of course, is where Gaming Freedom comes in ;) | 18:11 |
| lcuk | so how would it look in amongst that concept | 18:11 |
| lcuk | would it be a gaming tab | 18:11 |
| leinir | Actually, the optimal thing here would be having GF tie into telepathy, and to expose the game launcher as a tab in the tablet UX, as a plasmoid in Active, which would launch the game proper, or Gluon Player Touch or Touch HD for more in depth interaction | 18:13 |
| leinir | Though to start with, Gluon Player Touch {,HD} would simply be applications installed alongside the rest of the UX | 18:14 |
| lcuk | leinir, is the application written already? ie can it be installed on meego now? | 18:16 |
| lcuk | and is that a launcher for more games within? | 18:16 |
| lcuk | or would each game have its own | 18:16 |
| leinir | Gluon Player is a sort of game center type thing - a launcher, downloader, interaction with other players and such :) | 18:17 |
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| lcuk | leinir, each game appears to be writing its own, eg miniature is defining its interfaces for talking with chess communities etc | 18:17 |
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| leinir | lcuk: that's why we're doing it as generically as we can - and why we're going with OCS and GGZ, which already exist :) | 18:19 |
| lcuk | leinir, in maemo there was an osso game launcher framework which was used quite extensively for the desktop type games | 18:20 |
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| lcuk | it did not require most of the networking side and just allowed the simple sitting at barbers/on train games to be playable using standard ui | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | There is opensource code for magnetometer - openpilot I think has some usable code. | 18:21 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: wrong channel! | 18:21 |
| javispedro | ;) | 18:21 |
| SpeedEvil | err - yeah | 18:21 |
| lcuk | javispedro, only because we don't have n950 version yet :P | 18:21 |
| leinir | lcuk: Yeah, osso's kind of minimal compared to what we're doing, i guess... | 18:22 |
| lcuk | leinir, but it was used to great effect | 18:22 |
| leinir | lcuk: *nods* :) | 18:23 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, does sdl build currently for n900? | 18:38 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: mine? sure, albeit it conflicts with stock. | 18:38 |
| lcuk | areyou expecting to submit your patches upstream to help resolve? | 18:39 |
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| javispedro | most don't even make sense as they implement very Meego specific interfaces (like the pseudobroken XInput2 implementation) | 18:40 |
| javispedro | a few do, though. | 18:40 |
| lcuk | javispedro, you added multitouch support didn't you? | 18:42 |
| javispedro | yep | 18:42 |
| lcuk | do any games utilise it? | 18:42 |
| javispedro | that I know, mines | 18:43 |
| javispedro | ;P | 18:43 |
| lcuk | heh | 18:44 |
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| lcuk | alterego, on the concept photos shown earlir, there seems to be lacking a place for compass/map/orientation info | 18:47 |
| lcuk | would this be something columbus would do, or would something like attitude from jaffa be better (or collaborate on a new project between you two) | 18:48 |
| lcuk | reference: http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/03/conceptual-meego-tablet-ui-pictures/ | 18:48 |
| alterego | lcuk: columbus is meant for all that yeah :) | 18:48 |
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| alterego | I'll have a quick look at those pics but I've gotta run off now for a bit, ttyl | 18:49 |
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| npm | is there a way to tell what the current target is in a .spec file? e.g. if I want to do difft things depending on whether im using meego-core-ia32-madde-sysroot-1.2.0-fs vs meego-tablet-ia32-madde-sysroot-1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1-fs ? | 19:53 |
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| npm | lcuk: it looks like that UI was designed by whoever did Intel's AppUp center for meego :-) | 19:57 |
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| lcuk | npm it is really just pulling together a few general things, but is a good example of how we *could* modify what we have into a nice front end | 20:00 |
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| lcuk | npm, have you any screenshots of the appup centre | 20:00 |
| lcuk | npm, more important to me is making sure that apps on handheld are also usable on tablets etc | 20:01 |
| lcuk | making use of the apps infrastructure being built and the solid foundations on -ce | 20:02 |
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| npm | lcuk i don't but i'm sure you can find it on google | 20:04 |
| npm | re scrnshots | 20:04 |
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| npm | i think that "concept" is now called the tablet ux ... you can customize it quite a bit... | 20:05 |
| lcuk | npm, google offers lots of white theme (pretty tho) | 20:05 |
| lcuk | yes npm | 20:05 |
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| lcuk | the tablet ux is available but its performance and ux is not so good on handset :( | 20:06 |
| lcuk | npm, hence wanting to find a path which works well | 20:07 |
| npm | harmattan | 20:09 |
| lcuk | npm harmattan is closed ux and not able to build and improve openly | 20:10 |
| * lcuk really likes it though :) | 20:10 | |
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| npm | it woudlnt' be too hard to add swipe feature to tablet ux, and get rid of the annoying "windows" button | 20:11 |
| npm | basically, any time you recognize an offscreen-to-onscreen gesture, virtually hit the "windows" button | 20:12 |
| lcuk | npm indeed | 20:12 |
| * lcuk knows this and has done some experiments | 20:12 | |
| npm | improve later by adding four directions and memory of four sets of things in those directions | 20:12 |
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| npm | aka the invisible offscreen things you access by swiping | 20:12 |
| lcuk | alt-tab by swipe was simplest mechanism | 20:13 |
| npm | it could be done better than harmattan, which doesn't take into account one's memory for virtual things around the corner | 20:13 |
| lcuk | sounds good | 20:14 |
| npm | which is something even a three year old knows -- "object persistence" | 20:14 |
| lcuk | npm, then there is device adaption which needs simplifying | 20:15 |
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| lcuk | when new devices (like the touchbook for instance) come into focus, we need to find simplest way to allow meego to work on them | 20:16 |
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| lcuk | or is this just something difficult even for android | 20:17 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: that's not so much the problem with meego platform itself, just some problems with ABI's atm.. | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:23 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, solvable though? | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | yess, but i must admit i was amongst those who brought us in this situation too, inventing a little too fast :P | 20:24 |
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| lcuk | so how do we plan our way to stability | 20:25 |
| lcuk | and you are first to mention 2.0 :P | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | long explanation but my ideas fit in that a bit | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:25 |
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| lcuk | so still doing it lol | 20:25 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, of course they do | 20:26 |
| lcuk | we have to find a decent roadmap | 20:26 |
| * Stskeeps prays before he cuts the umbilical cord on his armv7hl port | 20:26 | |
| lcuk | npm has best suggestion so far with mostly tablet ux (for maintainability) | 20:26 |
| lcuk | i have to go anyway baby is screaming like he just had his cut | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | success \o/ | 20:28 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, biggest issue I have seen over period with meego stuff is the handset/tablet being completely separate | 20:43 |
| lcuk | i realise this is mostly because of x86/arm | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's due to history | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | handset UX is older than tablet ux and was written in MTF as well, that was the technology of that time.. | 20:44 |
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| lcuk | well that was what meego was brought together to resolve | 20:44 |
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| lcuk | have you tried n950 -ce? | 20:48 |
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| npm | howcome the official rules for the appup developer challenge are not in english: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/contest/officialrules | 20:50 |
| npm | anybody read indonesian | 20:50 |
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| npm | anybody from Intel here? or is there an appup irc channel? | 20:51 |
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| sirdancealot | Indonesia apps developer competition challengemerupakan local applications that are designed to bring the breakthroughs that provide new experiences... | 20:51 |
| lcuk | npm, maintainance? | 20:52 |
| andre__ | npm: read header? | 20:52 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, my question about n950 - if we go with npms suggestion and the tablet ux works there and it is modified for 1.3/1.4 | 20:53 |
| sirdancealot | Rules (including Intel's Privacy Policy and Terms of Use) govern Indonesia apps developer challenge ... | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: tablet ux is pretty fast on n950 | 20:53 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, I gathered it would be | 20:54 |
| lcuk | but since it is not open and accessible yet | 20:54 |
| lcuk | this is difficult to build from | 20:54 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, assuming this can be built from then does this provide the basis for the CE | 20:55 |
| lcuk | is your n950 running meego? | 20:56 |
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| npm | i didn't know that using the default language of the website was considered a feature of appdeveloper.intel.com :-) | 20:58 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, do the apps on tablet-ux have any size issues on n950? | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | some | 21:13 |
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| lcuk | right | 21:15 |
| lcuk | i will writeup all i have asked today | 21:16 |
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| lcuk | and try to make a nice document for the CE stuff to start from | 21:16 |
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| * lcuk has never written a doc like this before and feels like uphill struggle | 21:18 | |
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| crazedpsyc | What do you think, will meego be supported on the Samsung Galaxy Tab? | 22:01 |
| lcuk | crazedpsyc, soe folks have done basic device adaptations I believe | 22:02 |
| crazedpsyc | I don't know what that means. But it sounds almost like a good thing. ;) | 22:02 |
| crazedpsyc | I have the galaxy in my lap right now, and I am not liking android... so meego would be a blessing :) | 22:03 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, when I made that sketch a couple of weeks ago for #grande | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | whilst waiting for a mail back from someone I just made a tasks screen using it | 23:16 |
| lcuk | the ux will work nicely :) | 23:16 |
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| njozwiak_ | wow... this is a nightmare... ExoPC is listed as a supported device for MeeGo IVI and it is impossible to get it running | 23:18 |
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| njozwiak_ | is anyone aware of any *known* working platforms that IVI can easily be installed on to begin some demo application development? | 23:19 |
| auke | have you seen http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_IVI_on_ExoPC ? | 23:22 |
| njozwiak_ | yes | 23:23 |
| njozwiak_ | I have been over it and over it | 23:23 |
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| njozwiak_ | tried both the chroot and the kickstart image | 23:24 |
| njozwiak_ | the chroot method flat out doesn't work, I followed the instructions carefully multiple times and am never able to boot to IVI | 23:25 |
| njozwiak_ | I am able to install and boot the MeeGo Tablet fine | 23:25 |
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| njozwiak_ | the kickstart image installs without error | 23:25 |
| njozwiak_ | then begins to boot, even loads the spash screen | 23:25 |
| njozwiak_ | then crashes when attempting to mount sda1 | 23:26 |
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| njozwiak_ | I reinstalled and verified the partition layout, looks fine with sda1 as /boot, sda2 as /, and sda3 as swa[ | 23:26 |
| njozwiak_ | *swap | 23:26 |
| njozwiak_ | the meego-ivi-ia32-1.2.0.img file installs IVI and boots | 23:27 |
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| njozwiak_ | but crashes with the: INIT: Id "x" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes error | 23:27 |
| njozwiak_ | this is caused by the emgd driver that IVI is built on not supporting this board | 23:28 |
| njozwiak_ | but I tried nasa's approach to install the mesa driver, and that had no effect | 23:28 |
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| njozwiak_ | what doesn't make sense to me is this: the tablet build uses the Intel driver | 23:30 |
| njozwiak_ | which works | 23:30 |
| njozwiak_ | why is the IVI build incapable of using it? | 23:30 |
| njozwiak_ | at this point though, I don't need the ExoPC. I can work with another system | 23:31 |
| njozwiak_ | but I don't want to go buy the Snowball or Panda board | 23:31 |
| njozwiak_ | and have the same kinds of issues | 23:31 |
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