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| berndhs | lcuk: what errors ? | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, it does not find the library references | 00:03 |
| * lcuk builds happily locally | 00:03 | |
| lcuk | and builds happily on maemo autobuilder | 00:04 |
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| lcuk | this is likely combination of my .spec file and the library hand builtness | 00:04 |
| lcuk | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rawlog?arch=armv8el&package=Liqbook&project=home%3Alcuk&repository=DE_Trunk_Testing | 00:04 |
| berndhs | probably have the names wrong, they vary somewhat across distros | 00:04 |
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| lcuk | it installs the package correctly a few lines up | 00:04 |
| lcuk | but then cannot do the link phase | 00:04 |
| * lcuk will have to fix it in coming days | 00:05 | |
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| berndhs | the page from your link looks empty here | 00:07 |
| lcuk | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=Liqbook&project=home%3Alcuk&repository=DE_Trunk_Testing | 00:07 |
| lcuk | how about that one? | 00:08 |
| lcuk | perhaps it needs to be logged in | 00:08 |
| berndhs | its a bug in chrome | 00:08 |
| berndhs | apparently doesn't like plain text | 00:08 |
| lcuk | another reason I do not use chrome :D | 00:08 |
| berndhs | :) | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | plain text is the most universally acceptable renderable thing | 00:09 |
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| berndhs | you would think so, yes | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | heh | 00:09 |
| berndhs | so it is finding libliqbase, but not any of the symbols in it | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | yup | 00:10 |
| lcuk | rather curious | 00:10 |
| berndhs | it is | 00:10 |
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| lcuk | but i do build the library manually | 00:10 |
| lcuk | i couldn't ever grasp autotools | 00:10 |
| lcuk | so just went with what worked happily on my devices | 00:10 |
| lcuk | bitch of this is, i can compile and run directly on the meego instances | 00:11 |
| lcuk | using "make; sudo make install" | 00:11 |
| lcuk | ;) | 00:11 |
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| berndhs | maybe its using the wrong arch version of libliqbase | 00:12 |
| lcuk | i think it is not finding the correct .so.1 | 00:12 |
| lcuk | or whichever variation it is meant to use | 00:12 |
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| berndhs | yes some version where it can't see the symbol table | 00:13 |
| lcuk | i will poke around with it some more tomorrow | 00:14 |
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| lcuk | going watching a movie | 00:14 |
| lcuk | thanks for shoulder checking berndhs \o | 00:14 |
| berndhs | ok | 00:14 |
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| CosmoHill | anyone want to take a bet that the film "Source Code" will contain minimum to no programming | 00:23 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, it is about time travel | 00:23 |
| lcuk | from the advert | 00:23 |
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| ali1234 | right, it has nothing to do with programming | 00:25 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: I need some little rubber rings for my train wheels | 00:32 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, then head off to supply shop | 00:44 |
| CosmoHill | yeah no, no idea where to find one | 00:44 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, have you seen the flying shark ? | 00:53 |
| * lcuk waiting for tracy to get out of the bath | 00:53 | |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: found it: http://mmiwakoh.de/Eigene%20Webs/9751%20BR%20HST.JPG | 00:53 |
| CosmoHill | and no | 00:53 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, air swimmers 110% real pure awesome http://t.co/G6JQElE | 00:55 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: my god the shake has stolen their cloths :o | 00:57 |
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| berndhs | this is for the improved version of Google Street View, inside your house | 00:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | berndhs: You can actually invite them inside your house. | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - if you have a really, really nice house | 01:01 |
| berndhs | SpeedEvil: it's an opt-out thing | 01:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | No, I mean - they will come inside and map inside your home. | 01:02 |
| SpeedEvil | At least for stately homes, and similar buildings. | 01:02 |
| berndhs | oh i understand | 01:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | I forget the name of the program | 01:02 |
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| berndhs | I'm working on the stately home part, going to be a while I'm afraid :) | 01:03 |
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| berndhs | the obs downtime this weekend is scheduled, for those who don't read the dev ML | 01:17 |
| CosmoHill | I think apple want me to get a new mac, the updater just offered me a migration tool to lion | 01:20 |
| berndhs | they need the money | 01:22 |
| CosmoHill | aren't there enough douchebags stealing ipods to keep apple going? | 01:22 |
| nasa01 | Does anyone know if one can link to project in the main OBS from the public one? | 01:22 |
| berndhs | nasa01: "if" yes, "how", no | 01:22 |
| nasa01 | lol | 01:23 |
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| nasa01 | So, who is the OBS expert that would know how to do that? | 01:34 |
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| BManojlovic | nasa01: osc linkpac meego_public package_name home:nasa01 package_name | 02:35 |
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| nasa01 | Thanks BManojlovic -- will give that a try! | 02:38 |
| BManojlovic | nasa01: osc ll to get all projects on OBS | 02:39 |
| BManojlovic | watch out that can and will take time :) | 02:39 |
| * nasa01 wonders if he would have enough disk space | 02:40 | |
| nasa01 | BManojlovic, as I look through the projects listed on build.meego.com I don't see anything matching 1.2.0.90 or 1.2.80 or is that all under trunk? | 02:42 |
| BManojlovic | nasa01: no clue really i just know more about OBS not about versions :) | 02:42 |
| * nasa01 wonders if he can construct a full English sentence | 02:42 | |
| nasa01 | BManojlovic, That's cool -- it's got me one step further than I was an hour ago | 02:43 |
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| nasa01 | BManojlovic, given your knowledge on OBS... Is there a way to see what packages are under a particular repository? The WebUI will list something like Meego_trunk_standard, but I can't see what is actually included in that. | 02:45 |
| BManojlovic | nasa01: specific project have specific repos enabled and can be seen with osc repos project_name | 02:48 |
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| nasa01 | BManojlovic, that tells me what repos I have added, but not what rpm's are part of a particular repo | 02:54 |
| BManojlovic | osc ls | 02:55 |
| nasa01 | doesn't that list all the projects on a particular server? | 02:56 |
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| BManojlovic | nope :) | 02:59 |
| BManojlovic | just type osc | 02:59 |
| BManojlovic | it will give you all options | 02:59 |
| BManojlovic | read them plz | 02:59 |
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| * nasa01 is trying all kinds of combos from the manpage and the listed help. | 03:05 | |
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| BManojlovic | nasa01: err you are correct without parameters it will give every project listing... | 03:08 |
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| nasa01 | BManojlovic :} | 03:31 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, please could you find out whether any of the ultrabooks coming have pen input. it would be an interesting thing indeed :) | 03:39 |
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| TSCHAKeee | BorderImage: Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/meegotouch-toolbar-portrait-background <-- has anoyne seen this while developing? | 04:55 |
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| flailingmonkey | arfoll: hi | 06:55 |
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| flailingmonkey | arfoll: looking into chromium's chrontel code | 09:12 |
| flailingmonkey | arfoll: they used upstart to maintain a daemon, instead of writing either own daemon | 09:12 |
| flailingmonkey | arfoll: but i'd bet its a cleaner solution :p | 09:14 |
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| flailingmonkey | arfoll: unfortunately meego doesn't use upstart. but the upstart service file has all the details for starting and stopping their implementation | 09:16 |
| iekku | morning | 09:17 |
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| Bostik | morning | 09:23 |
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| flailingmonkey | mornin | 09:25 |
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| flailingmonkey | anyone know how I might go about compiling/finding i2c-dev and i2c-i801 kernel modules? | 09:47 |
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| arfoll | flailingmonkey, that was my problem, i had to recompile a kernel. although I deleted the project | 09:54 |
| flailingmonkey | arfoll: right, the kernel-adaptation-pinetrail wasn't configured to have those modules | 09:56 |
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| flailingmonkey | i guess I can make a bug/request to change the kernel config for that adaptation. i believe that most pinetrail systems would have this chip in it | 09:59 |
| arfoll | sure, but better to actually check you can make chrontel work. start by just branching the kernel your using on OBS and changing the config | 10:01 |
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| flailingmonkey | arfoll: time for me to learn how to do that on OBS :p | 10:01 |
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| flailingmonkey | arfoll: btw, I installed codecs from your repo. even without using crystalhd, I haven't been able to play the files I copied over. perhaps i need different samples | 10:02 |
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| flailingmonkey | the audio usually plays, but no luck with video rendering (visibly anyway) using meego-apps-video video player | 10:03 |
| arfoll | flailingmonkey, weird what was the media? actually maybe divx won't work with the codecs | 10:03 |
| arfoll | use gst-discover-0.10 to find out media info | 10:04 |
| flailingmonkey | lol well | 10:05 |
| flailingmonkey | first one had a Sorenson Spark video stream, in an flv container | 10:05 |
| flailingmonkey | second one was MPEG-4 video | 10:06 |
| flailingmonkey | in mp4 container | 10:06 |
| flailingmonkey | third, XVID MPEG-4 in avi | 10:06 |
| flailingmonkey | (i have quite a stress test I suppose :p) | 10:07 |
| arfoll | well sorenson probably wont work, mpeg4 part 10 should though | 10:07 |
| arfoll | tbh i compiled those to get dts+ac3 working ;-) | 10:07 |
| arfoll | i'll try get the deps to get xvid and divx compiling tmrw | 10:08 |
| flailingmonkey | for the one with MPEG-4 video, it was the simple profile | 10:08 |
| flailingmonkey | yeah apparently i have a bunch in xvid. i'll copy over the divx one to double check that it doesn't work as well | 10:09 |
| flailingmonkey | apparently a lot of youtube videos were done with spark | 10:09 |
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| arfoll | although tbh since you have crystalhd, if you install that you get bcmdec which will provide h/w decoding of mpeg4/h264/divx/xvid | 10:09 |
| arfoll | + mpeg2 | 10:09 |
| arfoll | so you don't really need the software decoders | 10:10 |
| flailingmonkey | hmm | 10:11 |
| flailingmonkey | i took out the gst-filter to test whether it would work with the software decoders | 10:11 |
| flailingmonkey | because i wasn't sure if it was just that the meego-apps-video is having a problem | 10:11 |
| flailingmonkey | anyway, reinstalling bcmdec then | 10:12 |
| arfoll | well that's easy to test with a gst-launch pipeline and playbin2. | 10:12 |
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| flailingmonkey | this stuff is new to me, how would I go about using those to test | 10:14 |
| arfoll | gst-launch-0.10 playbin2 uri=file:///home/meego/video/yourvideo.mkv | 10:15 |
| flailingmonkey | thanks | 10:15 |
| arfoll | np | 10:16 |
| flailingmonkey | lbt or X-Fade: the instructions on build.pub.meego.com say I should ask you guys to get access to the community OBS. I'm looking to do some work supporting hardware and need to build to branch the kernel to enable i2c-dev and i2c-i801 modules | 10:20 |
| flailingmonkey | lbt or X-Fade: my username on meego.com is same as my IRC nick | 10:23 |
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| flailingmonkey | AHA, i had to export DISPLAY=0.0 for gst-launch to work right | 11:15 |
| flailingmonkey | DISPLAY=:0.0 | 11:15 |
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| flailingmonkey | however, i do have XVID MPEG-4 video decoded with crystalhd | 11:19 |
| flailingmonkey | but only with gst-launch. looks like meego-apps-video does have a bug. plus the video-thumbnailer is choking all over the place | 11:20 |
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| arfoll | flailingmonkey, i'm not too surprised, meego-apps-video last time i checked failed to play all video | 11:42 |
| flailingmonkey | arfoll: the image comes with an ogv file, which does play | 11:43 |
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| arfoll | flailingmonkey, yeah ok apart from ogv... | 11:43 |
| flailingmonkey | :p | 11:43 |
| flailingmonkey | tiniest minority of files | 11:43 |
| arfoll | unfortunately | 11:43 |
| arfoll | i havent looked at the code but maybe they dont use playbin2 and hardcode the pipeline | 11:44 |
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| flailingmonkey | the crystalhd filter, bcmdec seems to handle xvid and divx | 11:45 |
| flailingmonkey | mpeg4 in mp4 did not work | 11:45 |
| arfoll | you can check with gst-inspect bcmdec what the plugin will accept | 11:46 |
| flailingmonkey | good to know :) | 11:47 |
| arfoll | you may be missing a demuxer and not a decoder for those mpeg4/mp4 | 11:47 |
| arfoll | also mp4 is usally qtdemux which should be shipped in -good | 11:47 |
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| arfoll | anyways i'm off to do some tourism, i'll be hacking tonight if you want to catch me then | 11:48 |
| flailingmonkey | could be. it didn't complain, but no video appeared | 11:48 |
| flailingmonkey | i'm on US east coast, so hopefully i'm around when you are :p | 11:48 |
| arfoll | ah ok, well gd luck | 11:48 |
| arfoll | btw i think bcmdec can have trouble with some interlaced content and also some weird resolutions | 11:49 |
| flailingmonkey | for the meego-apps-video, i'm betting its a qml app, so it would use qt-gstreamer, or just qt's multimedia api stuff | 11:50 |
| flailingmonkey | i bet it does | 11:50 |
| flailingmonkey | anyway, i'm just glad to see proof that it will decode, and also that the video app has its own issues | 11:50 |
| flailingmonkey | on to chrontel :p | 11:50 |
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| Venemo | joppu, ping | 12:25 |
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| lcuk | morning meegoers \o | 13:43 |
| iekku | nice meego bug munching day | 13:43 |
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| iekku | sandst1 is having presentation about the tools for debugging | 13:44 |
| lcuk | iekku, good stuf | 13:45 |
| lcuk | where is the presentation occuring | 13:45 |
| iekku | tampere | 13:45 |
| lcuk | iekku, yes, what event? | 13:46 |
| iekku | wait a sec | 13:46 |
| iekku | lcuk, http://meegonetwork.fi/events/bug-munching-day | 13:47 |
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| lcuk | iekku, :D the meego-fi people are really trailblazing | 13:48 |
| * lcuk strongly admires this team | 13:48 | |
| iekku | so do i | 13:48 |
| lcuk | iekku, are you there with them now? | 13:48 |
| iekku | sure | 13:48 |
| * Myrtti is at OggCamp | 13:49 | |
| iekku | intrested about the sandst1's presentation | 13:49 |
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| iekku | lcuk, had basicly the same presentation than in SF by myself, with the real examples | 13:49 |
| lcuk | that is a great idea and way to get together on a weekend | 13:50 |
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| iekku | lcuk, i think that too | 13:50 |
| iekku | not so much people in here, but the ones are really interested | 13:51 |
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| lcuk | iekku, each step we take | 13:51 |
| iekku | hope that other networks could have similar days | 13:52 |
| lcuk | it is a shame andre__ isn't here | 13:52 |
| lcuk | since he is bugmaster this would give him ideas | 13:52 |
| iekku | with a certain topic for each day | 13:52 |
| lcuk | yes | 13:52 |
| iekku | lcuk, the presentation was same we had with andre, so he was as a ghost with me | 13:52 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 13:53 |
| lcuk | make sure you let him know how this goes | 13:53 |
| lcuk | it could be used for further conferences and get togethers | 13:53 |
| iekku | need to do that | 13:53 |
| lcuk | though it relies on deep knowledge in some ways of the system | 13:53 |
| iekku | true | 13:53 |
| lcuk | the principles are right and if selection of bugs are chosen which are sensible to approach whilst remote working it is better | 13:54 |
| lcuk | unless of course you have a set of kernel folks | 13:54 |
| iekku | we have common material | 13:55 |
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| yellabs-r2 | hello everyone | 14:41 |
| yellabs-r2 | is there some one around who is developer or has acces to and can file bugs and fixes ? | 14:41 |
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| yellabs-r2 | and has some time.. | 14:42 |
| yellabs-r2 | :) | 14:42 |
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| yellabs-r2 | or can i type it here ? | 14:42 |
| thiago | you can file bugs in bugs.meego.com | 14:42 |
| yellabs-r2 | dont want to file a bug, but a fix | 14:42 |
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| yellabs-r2 | maybe its already know , but it works any way | 14:43 |
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| yellabs-r2 | thiago, you have acces ? | 14:43 |
| berndhs | yellabs-r2: you can file a bug and attach the fix with it | 14:43 |
| yellabs-r2 | okey ... | 14:44 |
| yellabs-r2 | but i am rather new at it.. | 14:44 |
| yellabs-r2 | hmm, i guess i will have to register | 14:45 |
| yellabs-r2 | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2715 | 14:45 |
| yellabs-r2 | found the bug | 14:45 |
| yellabs-r2 | have the fix.. | 14:46 |
| yellabs-r2 | any one interested in posting it for me? | 14:48 |
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| yellabs-r2 | hmm, i will bookmark the page and do it later | 14:50 |
| yellabs-r2 | would 5 lines of text be considered flooding ? | 14:52 |
| RST38h | yes. | 14:53 |
| yellabs-r2 | okey | 14:53 |
| RST38h | and we will add these two lines on top. | 14:53 |
| yellabs-r2 | so after this i have one lnie left ? | 14:54 |
| yellabs-r2 | line | 14:54 |
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| yellabs-r2 | to bad | 14:55 |
| yellabs-r2 | well bye all | 14:55 |
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| lbt | flailingmonkey done... have fun. Be aware that the main OBS is down which may reduce community OBS functionality | 15:10 |
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| Bostik | again? | 15:11 |
| lbt | yes | 15:11 |
| Bostik | is it really that fragile a setup, to fail when no-one's babysitting | 15:11 |
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| Bostik | oh well | 15:12 |
| lbt | see the meego-it list for more information about core OBS | 15:12 |
| Bostik | gives me whole weekend to polish my qt5 pkgconfig patches | 15:12 |
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| lbt | lcuk: all the walls are in place now :) | 17:11 |
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| lcuk | lbt good stuf | 17:26 |
| lcuk | f | 17:26 |
| * lcuk writing some stuff up today | 17:27 | |
| * SpeedEvil args at banks and lack of APIs. | 17:27 | |
| lcuk | well after getting back from playing footie i am | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Why can't they just have a nice https url I can call for my balance. | 17:27 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: they do, if you pay extra for it | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Probably, yes. | 17:29 |
| javispedro | at least mine does, they call it "Banking Plus" (unaccurate translation) | 17:29 |
| javispedro | its stupid because they clearly cripple their web interface for nonplus clients. | 17:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Mine has been texting 'our SMS aleert services are currently unavailable - call 0.... ' at 10AM every day to me | 17:30 |
| SpeedEvil | And that has a broken system on the other end that ends up dropping your call. | 17:30 |
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| yellabs | hello again | 17:40 |
| yellabs | :) | 17:40 |
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| yellabs | are there repositories for installing mplayer ? command line version.. ( meego 1.2 ) | 17:41 |
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| GAN900 | I wish there were more standardized systems available. | 17:46 |
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| GAN900 | The shit people put together for account handling on the web. | 17:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 17:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | And random stuff like I want a nice API to call my ISP on to find out what they think my transfer is now. | 17:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Query to support got the expected 'dur - there is a webpage'. | 17:48 |
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| yellabs | are there any extra repositories i can add to install extra software ?< | 17:50 |
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| lcuk | yellabs, not sure if anybody has built it yet | 17:51 |
| yellabs | is it a bit to early ? | 17:52 |
| yellabs | i did not know it was so young... meego | 17:52 |
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| yellabs | lcuk on what device have you got meego running ?< | 17:52 |
| lcuk | yellabs, n900/lenovo ideapad | 17:53 |
| berndhs | look in the home: projects in build.pub.meego.com, see if someone has the package | 17:53 |
| yellabs | have you got an url ? | 17:54 |
| yellabs | i am running it on an lenovo thinkpad t 60 | 17:54 |
| yellabs | cool | 17:54 |
| lcuk | song123anyway, I think I will just give up here. I have successfully installed mplayer from the repo: ftp://volkoff.ru/repo/meego/i386/ | 17:54 |
| lcuk | http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2010-10-22.log.html#t2010-10-22T21:28:17 | 17:54 |
| lcuk | i have *no* idea whether it works | 17:55 |
| lcuk | that was found in irc scan | 17:55 |
| yellabs | okey | 17:55 |
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| yellabs | looking into it.. | 17:56 |
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| lcuk | yellabs, link looks stale | 17:57 |
| lcuk | but it has been built once | 17:58 |
| lcuk | that makes it easier to build again | 17:58 |
| yellabs | yeah deadend there | 17:58 |
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| lcuk | yellabs, have a go at building it | 18:02 |
| yellabs | i think so too | 18:03 |
| yellabs | :( | 18:03 |
| lcuk | someone mentioned that building stuff in linux is like making light sabres | 18:03 |
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| yellabs | thats a lot of work | 18:05 |
| yellabs | cant i just use opensuse repositories ? | 18:07 |
| lcuk | yellabs, try just seeing if it iis built for fedora? | 18:07 |
| lcuk | or opensuse | 18:07 |
| lcuk | you may be able to | 18:07 |
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| yellabs | hmm found one repository , but its close to empty | 18:13 |
| yellabs | http://repo.pub.meego.com/MeeGo%3a/1.2%3a/Apps%3a/Testing/MeeGo_1.2_standard/i586/ | 18:13 |
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| yellabs | okey, will try to figure it out later, got to do some work | 18:18 |
| yellabs | thanks for the help | 18:18 |
| yellabs | i hope meego gets lots of more usefull software soon ! | 18:18 |
| yellabs | opensuse has plenty so i dont see whats holding meego back .. | 18:19 |
| yellabs | maybe its just an organising issue ... | 18:19 |
| yellabs | any way , thank you | 18:19 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: found out that my Lima HSTs where made in 1982 and my uncle got them when he was in his teens | 18:29 |
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| berndhs | ah, a family heirloom | 18:32 |
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| lcuk | shagadelic baby | 19:41 |
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| mrgenixus | I'm looking for the name of the tablet that is Meego compat | 20:11 |
| lcuk | there are a number of compatible devices | 20:15 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Devices | 20:15 |
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| mrgenixus | There was a particular one I saw at OSCON, but I can't find it on the devices page | 20:23 |
| lcuk | mrgenixus, then which? | 20:23 |
| lcuk | I heard of some netbook devices | 20:23 |
| berndhs | mrgenixus: distiguishing features ? brand name, model name, eye color ? | 20:23 |
| mrgenixus | well,,, I saw those too | 20:23 |
| mrgenixus | It might have just been the Asus ExoPC, but I can't recall. It was definetly a tablet | 20:24 |
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| lcuk | there are some nice new devices on their way out | 20:36 |
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| lcuk | I am really hoping for ultrabooks with pen input :) | 20:37 |
| lcuk | fuel cells would be nice too | 20:38 |
| lcuk | as would holographic projection | 20:38 |
| lcuk | but I guess we would have to wait for a real 3d interface :P | 20:38 |
| * SpeedEvil notes that holograms don't work the way star-trek says they do. | 20:38 | |
| berndhs | projection onto a helmet visor would be a start | 20:38 |
| lcuk | http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/rcom-takes-price-war-to-3g-spacers-12999-tablet_574864.html | 20:38 |
| lcuk | the rcom is made by zte | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | You can only view holographic displayed stuff as if through a window that is formed by the real display element | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | (into air) | 20:39 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, for now | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | (unless the light is intense enough to ionise the air, in which case, you run into problems with setting fire to stuff, and ozone, and blindness) | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | No, as we understand physical optics. | 20:39 |
| lcuk | sure | 20:40 |
| lcuk | our understanding can change | 20:40 |
| lcuk | the world was flat once | 20:40 |
| berndhs | doesn't it work better in fog ? | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | There is no breakthrough that is even at the theoretical stage that would allow it. | 20:40 |
| lcuk | yeah berndhs | 20:40 |
| lcuk | the fog screens are awesome | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Fog changes things utterly of course. | 20:40 |
| lcuk | oh look, sidestepping the issue | 20:40 |
| lcuk | with a system "good enough" for holograms | 20:41 |
| * lcuk wants princess leia at home :D | 20:41 | |
| berndhs | might only work in places like England though, due to fog shortages in drier climates | 20:42 |
| lcuk | i gather now we have the technology to make artificial fog :P | 20:42 |
| SpeedEvil | If you want your house to be wet, and smell of mildew. | 20:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Though england already has that technology for some time now. | 20:43 |
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| berndhs | retina projection is less dependent on environmental factors | 20:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | Again. | 20:49 |
| SpeedEvil | You can't project on the retina - unless you remove the lens | 20:49 |
| SpeedEvil | The last optical element in the holographic projector has to be able to emit light into the eye at the same angle it would normally see it from the object. | 20:50 |
| berndhs | well, not with raster images we have in now | 20:50 |
| berndhs | you have to stimulate the receptors individually | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | This is not quite the same thing as the above 'size of the window' but only due to the finite pupil diamter. | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | berndhs: Which you cannot do unless you are _really_ close to the eye. | 20:51 |
| SpeedEvil | (assuming a tiny projector) | 20:51 |
| berndhs | right | 20:51 |
| SpeedEvil | The retina has a lens in front of it - you can't simply project onto random bits of it. | 20:51 |
| berndhs | sure | 20:51 |
| berndhs | you can take photographs of what's behind the lense though, so you can get light to individual receptors | 20:52 |
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| berndhs | now you have to figure out how to stimulate each receptor individually | 20:52 |
| SpeedEvil | That's easy though. | 20:52 |
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| berndhs | so your resolution has nothing to do with your generated images, its how many receptors are in the eye | 20:53 |
| SpeedEvil | To take photos of the receptor, you require a lens that is in front of the retina. | 20:53 |
| SpeedEvil | And then you're hit with the divergance of light - 1.22*wavelength/diameter (in radians) | 20:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Where diameter is the diameter of the smallest optic in th echain. | 20:53 |
| berndhs | receptors are big relative to teh wavelength, aren't they ? | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Moderately, but the other issue is that the divergance happens at your projector too. | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Optics is fundamentally rather complex. And there are a lot of 'designs' of displays which are made by designers, and can't actually physically ever work. | 20:55 |
| berndhs | no this has to do bio-engineering, leave the artistes out of it | 20:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | If you want to do full field of view 'holograms' - you basically need something covering the pupil. (though it may have holes) | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Or glasses, or something that cover the eye. | 20:57 |
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| berndhs | all of these things are made harder if you want to see the real world too | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Yep. | 20:59 |
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| berndhs | i just want head-up displays that aren't too heavy, for augmented reality | 21:02 |
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| berndhs | and it is quite acceptable that the augments can be clearly distinguished from the reality :) | 21:03 |
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| gandhijee_ | hey, i have an exoPC, and i installed the chrontel firmware, anytime i try to start the hdmi-daemon, i get an error message about another instance of the hdmi-daemon running... | 22:20 |
| gandhijee_ | what gives? | 22:20 |
| lcuk | you probably already have the hdmi-daemon running? | 22:21 |
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| gandhijee_ | no | 22:25 |
| gandhijee_ | its not in the ps list, and when i connect the tv it doesn't work | 22:26 |
| thiago | then hdmi-daemon thinks that it's already running for another reason | 22:26 |
| thiago | strace the application to see if it opens any file that would be used to lock | 22:26 |
| gandhijee_ | yeah i just thought about that, and did it. gonna look at the dumps now | 22:27 |
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| gandhijee_ | thiago: that didn't help much either, it just opens my machine-id, then throws the com.tiitoo.hdmi already running error | 22:36 |
| gandhijee_ | this is on meego 1.2.0.90 too, so i duon | 22:37 |
| gandhijee_ | don't know if that has its own hdmi daemon or anything | 22:37 |
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| thiago | run qdbus. Do you see com.tiitoo.hdmi listed? | 22:39 |
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| gandhijee_ | thiago: no | 22:42 |
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| gandhijee_ | is checked with ps to see if the daemon ever started | 22:43 |
| gandhijee_ | as well | 22:44 |
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| thiago | oh well | 22:46 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 22:47 |
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| thiago | this is not a meego tool, I don't know what exactly it does | 22:47 |
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| gandhijee_ | anything else i can try, short of re-writting it | 22:47 |
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| gandhijee_ | it enables the hdmi output on the weTab/exoPC | 22:47 |
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| arfoll | gandhijee_, have you recompiled the kernel to enable the i2c module needed? | 22:50 |
| gandhijee_ | arfoll: yes, i have i2c-i801 and i2c-smbus | 22:50 |
| gandhijee_ | already compiled, and installed as mobiles | 22:50 |
| gandhijee_ | *modules | 22:50 |
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| arfoll | gandhijee_, have you got a link to that kernel on obs? | 22:52 |
| gandhijee_ | arfoll: its a custom kernel - the thing is it was working before, and then it just stopped and started throwing this message | 22:53 |
| arfoll | was working on what meego version? | 22:54 |
| gandhijee_ | 1.1.90 | 22:54 |
| gandhijee_ | and i have a 1.2.0.90 on which it just throws the messasge straight away | 22:54 |
| arfoll | probably a systemd change messed up its startup | 22:54 |
| gandhijee_ | using the same kerenl | 22:54 |
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| arfoll | but if you get the registration fail from dbus its because you've failed to register the service | 22:55 |
| arfoll | check permissions | 22:55 |
| gandhijee_ | what should the perms be on i? | 22:55 |
| gandhijee_ | on the 1.2.0.90 machine, i installed it via RPM | 22:55 |
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| arfoll | which rpm? | 22:55 |
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| arfoll | but basically your user needs to be able to register a service on com.tiitoo.HDMI | 22:57 |
| gandhijee_ | chrontel-1.0-11212.1.i586.rpm | 22:57 |
| gandhijee_ | i got it from the repos | 22:57 |
| arfoll | gandhijee_, which repos? | 22:57 |
| gandhijee_ | ok, how do i go about doing that, i have 0 clue about dbus | 22:57 |
| arfoll | somewhere around /etc/dbus-1/system.d/ | 22:58 |
| gandhijee_ | shouldn | 22:59 |
| arfoll | use something like this (obv. change the bus name) http://pastebin.com/j9HC1n4S | 22:59 |
| gandhijee_ | t this daemon come iwth that file? | 22:59 |
| arfoll | well i dont know in the rpm you have, but in the one I build on c.obs i dont provide it | 22:59 |
| gandhijee_ | actually it is from you | 23:06 |
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| gandhijee_ | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/arfoll:/utils/meego_1.1_core/i586/ - i grabbed the debug on too, but when i try to run it i get bad elf interperater | 23:08 |
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| gandhijee_ | arfoll: still getting the error about the services with the new .service file | 23:11 |
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| arfoll | gandhijee_, i've never managed to make my own pkg work ;-) | 23:13 |
| gandhijee_ | lol | 23:13 |
| gandhijee_ | ok | 23:13 |
| arfoll | i was actually going to try fix it sun/mon | 23:13 |
| gandhijee_ | so one of the things i notice is that it always trys to open i2c-2 | 23:14 |
| gandhijee_ | and that tiitoo-daemon script doesn't seem to work on meego - when i had it working i had to hex edit what device it was opening | 23:15 |
| gandhijee_ | because i can | 23:15 |
| gandhijee_ | t ge the code to compile | 23:15 |
| arfoll | well the script doesnt work because it requires daemon | 23:15 |
| arfoll | which is why i think the rpm has no service file | 23:16 |
| arfoll | do you get the "registration failed" error? or the "another instance running"? | 23:17 |
| gandhijee_ | from what i understood, the script was used to launch the daemon | 23:17 |
| gandhijee_ | i was able to take the one from the weTab and run the daemon direct, then it just stopped working | 23:18 |
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| arfoll | gandhijee_, well gd luck. i'm too tired to think about this tonight. i'm off to sleep on my hammock | 23:20 |
| gandhijee_ | i get the com.tiitoo.HDMI dbus service reg failed: registerSErvice! is anotehr instance running | 23:20 |
| gandhijee_ | fair enough. thanks for the help | 23:20 |
| arfoll | well that means the dbus registration failed so you still got a pb there | 23:21 |
| arfoll | cyao | 23:21 |
| gandhijee_ | later | 23:22 |
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| gandhijee_ | is there an modules.autoload file for meego | 23:28 |
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