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| * lcuk really wonders how to make all meego devices work together | 01:00 | |
| lcuk | and what apps to run across the combined surface | 01:00 |
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| javispedro | anyone used QML QtSparql? | 01:02 |
| javispedro | I ponder why the QSparqlResultsList are hidden | 01:03 |
| javispedro | *QSPprqlResultsList symbols | 01:03 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, perhaps because the api is not stable | 01:06 |
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| javispedro | yes yes, but it's too hidden | 01:07 |
| javispedro | not even the qml wrapper can find it | 01:07 |
| javispedro | aka /usr/lib/qt4/imports/QtSparql/libsparqlresultslist.so | 01:08 |
| javispedro | I believe it is a bug -- to ship a qml plugin that tries to link with a symbol that is basically hidden. | 01:08 |
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| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: in linuxMCE, we wrote a messaging bus to do it | 01:17 |
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| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: of course, it's all in STL C++, so that might piss all the Qt people off. | 01:18 |
| TSCHAKeee | but whatever. | 01:18 |
| TSCHAKeee | when we started, Qt wasn't even an option. | 01:18 |
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| thiago | STL isn't bad, if you know what you're doing | 01:25 |
| thiago | I don't like its API, but hey, there's a taste for everything, right? | 01:25 |
| thiago | same thing for glib in my opinion: if you're going to code in C, use glib | 01:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | I do prefer Qt, to be sure, I come from an Objective-C and Smalltalk background | 01:26 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 01:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | but when the whole thing started, our codebase is old enough | 01:26 |
| thiago | what I can't stand is reinventing the wheel: don't roll out your own containers, please | 01:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | that Qt wasn't an option | 01:26 |
| thiago | we have enough bugs | 01:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | we don't, our bits use standard STL containers | 01:27 |
| thiago | I didn't mean you, this is just in general my opinion | 01:27 |
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| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 01:27 |
| berndhs | i like Qt and STL because I got really tired of implementing linked list | 01:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | rofl | 01:27 |
| thiago | sometimes people are surprised why I advocate glib every now and then | 01:27 |
| thiago | that above is why | 01:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | yeah, if you're doing C, glib makes sense | 01:28 |
| thiago | exactly my thoughts | 01:28 |
| thiago | or APR too, but APR's API is more cluttered | 01:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | GTK on the other ha....oh crap i said that out loud | 01:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 01:28 |
| Alison_Chaiken | TSCHAKeee, you're the WebOS guy I met somewhere? | 01:29 |
| * thiago has only touched APR once, in the svn2git program | 01:29 | |
| TSCHAKeee | Alison_Chaiken: no, but we did meet at my LinuxMCE booth at SCALE. | 01:29 |
| thiago | oh, one other thing I dislike: OOP in C | 01:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | hehehee | 01:30 |
| thiago | OpenSSL is the perfect example of how not to do OOP | 01:30 |
| Alison_Chaiken | thiago, how do you feel about functional programming in C? | 01:30 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, I know it can be done, I asked what could be done with it | 01:30 |
| thiago | Alison_Chaiken: functional or procedural? | 01:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: lots | 01:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: for example, when I receive phone calls, if I am watching a movie, it pauses. | 01:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | answer phone call, talk, hang up, movie resumes | 01:31 |
| thiago | "The Engineer's motto: The right tool for the right job" - Capt. Montgomery Scott | 01:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 01:32 |
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| thiago | and multiply your estimates by 4 | 01:32 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Fascinating talk about functional programming methods in procedural languages at OSCON: http://www.oscon.com/oscon2011/public/schedule/detail/19191 | 01:32 |
| lcuk | wasn't he the guy who picked up a mouse and tried to talk into it? :P | 01:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | i can also bounce media to and from my TV to my tablet devices cleanly | 01:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | even games | 01:32 |
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| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, consuming, games maybe not | 01:33 |
| lcuk | which games do you have? | 01:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | or have one player play on one TV, and have the other player on the tablet | 01:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: I am using csMAME and csMESS and PCSX for this. | 01:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | abstracted by the Game Player device | 01:33 |
| lcuk | so can one device be the joystick and the other be playing it? | 01:33 |
| lcuk | and perhaps a third showing the game map? ;) | 01:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | yes, with a little extra plumbing. | 01:34 |
| lcuk | it would be cool to have angry birds | 01:34 |
| lcuk | but over a cluster of 3 n9s | 01:34 |
| lcuk | (for instance) ;) | 01:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | Orbiter provides our UI, which is kept synchronized by plugins consuming events on the central server (core) | 01:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | and we use a flat representation of commands which can be implemented across every DCE device | 01:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | and a whole bag of functions in our API to find and talk to devices in the tree. | 01:36 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 | 01:36 |
| lcuk | short video, have the game running over the full surface | 01:36 |
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| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: awesome :) | 01:39 |
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| npm | top - 22:30:54 up 1 day, 21:07, 1 user, load average: 42.29, 22.05, 9.06 | 08:31 |
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| Termana | morning | 08:54 |
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| timoph | npm: light idling? :p | 09:03 |
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| dm8tbr | good moaning | 09:22 |
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| AWasisto | Will we have MeeGo official repository? Like Market on Android or AppStore on iOS. | 10:17 |
| dm8tbr | AWasisto: are you asking for an 'app store' type of thing OR for 'package repositories'? | 10:18 |
| ali1234 | what's the difference? | 10:19 |
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| timoph | money | 10:19 |
| ali1234 | in that case the answer is no to both | 10:19 |
| AWasisto | An application store I mean. | 10:20 |
| timoph | but yep. dunno if there's going to be a one stop store for all meego flavours. well formeego.org could become one | 10:20 |
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| timoph | but not for commercial stuff | 10:21 |
| dm8tbr | the intention is to have apps.formeego.org become the app store for FOSS applications | 10:23 |
| timoph | yep | 10:23 |
| dm8tbr | for commercial applications that will be either vendor specific or some 3rd party will have to step up | 10:23 |
| dm8tbr | or the LF will have to contract some party | 10:23 |
| ali1234 | is formeego going to use those special rules where two people can't upload the same app, with precidence and right of veto given to the "original" developer - where "original" developer is extremely unclearly defined? | 10:24 |
| timoph | does it need a veto system? | 10:25 |
| ali1234 | in my opinion no | 10:25 |
| ali1234 | but i'm not the one behind it | 10:25 |
| * timoph nods | 10:25 | |
| ali1234 | the whole veto thing is lbt's idea | 10:25 |
| timoph | ah | 10:25 |
| timoph | I remember now | 10:26 |
| ali1234 | as a way to avoid the GPL while maintaining a monopoly over sale of your software | 10:26 |
| timoph | the discussion on selling OSS in appup | 10:26 |
| ali1234 | yes :) | 10:26 |
| timoph | I understood that formeego would be something like maemo extras so there's no price tags | 10:27 |
| ali1234 | that's what i understood too, but hey, why not get on the appstore bus? | 10:28 |
| ali1234 | or impliment that "donations" system that was suggested for maemo | 10:28 |
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| AWasisto | If formeego is the store for FOSS, where commercial app will be placed? | 10:29 |
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| timoph | I wouldn't start selling OSS there but some donation system would be nice | 10:29 |
| ali1234 | AWasisto: it will be up to the OEM and where applicable, the network operator | 10:29 |
| timoph | AWasisto: I think those are vendor specific - appup, ovi store, wetab market,.. | 10:30 |
| args[0] | will MeeGo still live? | 10:30 |
| timoph | args[0]: after what? | 10:30 |
| AWasisto | How about my MeeGo on N900? | 10:30 |
| timoph | seems alive to me | 10:30 |
| AWasisto | There's no Ovi. | 10:31 |
| args[0] | Doesn't seem that any hardware company is supporting MeeGo anymore :/ timoph | 10:31 |
| timoph | AWasisto: and will not be | 10:31 |
| Myrtti | oh man | 10:31 |
| ali1234 | except for intel and nokia lol | 10:31 |
| Myrtti | not this discussion again | 10:31 |
| timoph | yep | 10:31 |
| ali1234 | i know right | 10:31 |
| args[0] | ali1234: intel yeah, but not sure about nokia | 10:31 |
| timoph | args[0]: please don't start yet another of these pointless discussion here | 10:32 |
| timoph | #meego-bar was started for these discussions ;) | 10:32 |
| the-boss | timoph: Error: "meego-bar" is not a valid command. | 10:32 |
| args[0] | timoph: whats wrong? i am interested to know about MeeGo and want to ask questions here.. unless you are the moderator of this room and I didn't know | 10:32 |
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| * timoph gives the-boss a cookie | 10:33 | |
| timoph | was just saying that I've seen to many instances of the same exact discussion | 10:33 |
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| args[0] | this is my first time here, i dont care what you've seen :) | 10:34 |
| timoph | and it almost never leads anywhere | 10:34 |
| args[0] | so it is uncertain | 10:34 |
| dm8tbr | args[0]: the logs for this channel are public though | 10:34 |
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| dm8tbr | also the people in here do not know about future products, that is for vendors to announce | 10:36 |
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| args[0] | i dont think it will die anyway, open-sourced software is always powerful and backed by a big community | 10:36 |
| timoph | and a small chip maker called intel for example :p | 10:38 |
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| ali1234 | timoph: btw did you see the vision mobile report? | 10:39 |
| ali1234 | (what lbt was quoting from the other day) | 10:39 |
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| timoph | ali1234: yep. quicky read it through | 10:41 |
| KaIRC | args[0]: and there's a numbers of different companies involved in different MeeGo working groups, from what I understand - it's just that even if someone would work on a product shipped with MeeGo, they won't tell anyone before it's ready | 10:41 |
| ali1234 | timoph: at the end there's a big table of rating. some of the ways they rank things seem odd. eg using apache code makes you "more" open than using GPL, as does requiring all contributors to assign copyright to you | 10:43 |
| ali1234 | *apache license i mean | 10:43 |
| KaIRC | that's because no device vendor out there has understood yet how to use the community for their advantage even in development | 10:43 |
| KaIRC | copyright assignment is a very closed-thinking principle, IMHO | 10:44 |
| timoph | ali1234: yeah. noticed that. and it's clearly an outsiders view on the projects | 10:44 |
| args[0] | timoph: KaIRC: yep! | 10:44 |
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| ali1234 | actually i think google does understand how to "use" community - you just let them get on with doing their own thing (cyanogenmod) and then cherry pick what you can - so they have a bunch of people developing and testing *very* beta code with absolutely no liability to themselves. | 10:46 |
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| ali1234 | just because they don't actively participate does not mean they are not watching | 10:46 |
| timoph | yep | 10:46 |
| KaIRC | Google does not work with but against the community in most cases | 10:47 |
| KaIRC | even Nokia is better there | 10:47 |
| ali1234 | well i'm going to need a citation for that one | 10:47 |
| KaIRC | throwing code over the fence is only hurting, but not helping the community IMHO | 10:47 |
| ali1234 | i know for a fact that google does work with the community | 10:47 |
| ali1234 | releasing code in that manner is the way open source has been done since it began | 10:47 |
| KaIRC | they throw code over the fence and let nobody contribute to their code, that's not much better than how Apple works, in my eyes | 10:48 |
| ali1234 | "this code is released in the hope it will be useful but without warranty of any kind" | 10:48 |
| KaIRC | any we don't give a shiot about anyone using or improving it | 10:48 |
| KaIRC | anfd if we deciode that we don't release it, then we don't | 10:48 |
| KaIRC | that's "make the community beleieve we're friendly even though we give a shit about them" | 10:49 |
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| ali1234 | lol | 10:49 |
| ali1234 | because open source communities are well known around the world for being highly noob-friendly, right? | 10:49 |
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| KaIRC | in my eyes that's even worse than Apple because it's inhonest | 10:49 |
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| ali1234 | what exactly do you want? | 10:50 |
| KaIRC | sorry, need to leave for the day | 10:52 |
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| thiago | KaIRC: have you seen the Vision Mobile report? | 11:00 |
| ali1234 | that's what we were talking about to start this :) | 11:03 |
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| thiago | oh, ok | 11:05 |
| thiago | did you see Chris DiBona's comment on it? | 11:05 |
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| ali1234 | i don't think so. got a link? | 11:05 |
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| thiago | looking for it? | 11:07 |
| thiago | s/\?// | 11:07 |
| ali1234 | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/how-open-is-googles-android/9357 | 11:08 |
| ali1234 | thiago: you can stop looking :) | 11:08 |
| ali1234 | https://plus.google.com/114765095157367281222/posts/VjjxfHcc2dg | 11:10 |
| ali1234 | i have to say i agree with his take | 11:10 |
| thiago | https://plus.google.com/114765095157367281222/posts/VjjxfHcc2dg | 11:11 |
| * thiago had to look over his g+ stream to find it | 11:12 | |
| thiago | I partly agree: it's true that being available, opensource and buildable are more important | 11:12 |
| thiago | but the beginning of the story from the report is: once you have that, what's next? | 11:12 |
| thiago | and Android takes the last spot | 11:13 |
| ali1234 | personally i'm still grappling with step 3 when it comes to meego | 11:13 |
| thiago | the building? | 11:15 |
| ali1234 | yes | 11:15 |
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| timoph | it's true that MeeGo doesn't have a master Makefile but you *can* build it | 11:17 |
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| ali1234 | the only problem i had building android was when they crashed the webkit repo due to overload :) | 11:17 |
| thiago | the OBS proves that it can :-) | 11:18 |
| timoph | yep :) | 11:18 |
| ali1234 | but OBS is a complete nightmare to set up | 11:18 |
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| timoph | why do you need your own obs? | 11:19 |
| ali1234 | because otherwise *i* can't build it | 11:19 |
| ali1234 | it's not even clear if i could build it even if i had my own OBS, because i have an AMD system | 11:19 |
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| ali1234 | actually, i do have an OBS system in a VM somewhere, that's about as far as i got | 11:20 |
| ali1234 | you'll note that he says "Can I build it?" not "Can it be built?" | 11:20 |
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| timoph | well IMO you can but I do admit that it isn't that simple in all cases | 11:22 |
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| Delahunt | hey can anyone tell me if meego supports LUKS devices, like if i plug in an external hard drive that has a LUKS partition and an ext4 partition within the LUKS container? | 12:24 |
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| Delahunt | also, can meego be installed into/on/in LUKS? | 12:26 |
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| dm8tbr | Delahunt: it should, but there might be no auto-magic. so you'd need to check if the crypto tools are there and use them on the command line. | 13:19 |
| Delahunt | but if they are there it should be possible for me to add to the init scripts to unlock /home and (if necessary) create scripts/launchers to do this, right? | 13:21 |
| Delahunt | a little self-work isn't so bad | 13:21 |
| Delahunt | er, a little customization | 13:21 |
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| dm8tbr | Delahunt: yeah, there is also some home partition encryption available by default IIRC | 13:27 |
| dm8tbr | at least on the netbook images | 13:27 |
| Delahunt | ok so afaik all i'd have to do is script a launcher that launches a script inside of Terminal or some console type gui app that will allow me to input luks password for my external hard drive (which is my backup), mount it, back up to it, then unmount and luksClose | 13:30 |
| Delahunt | brb | 13:30 |
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| dm8tbr | *nod* | 13:34 |
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| arfoll | c.obs is telling me DE Trunk setup is broken :-( | 14:17 |
| dm8tbr | is it fallout from yesterdays downtime? | 14:18 |
| * dm8tbr prods lbt and X-Fade | 14:18 | |
| arfoll | quite possibly | 14:18 |
| arfoll | it's sunday so i'll find something better to occupy myself ;-) | 14:18 |
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| dm8tbr | what a cunning plan! *smokebomb* *disappear* | 14:20 |
| lbt | looking | 14:21 |
| timoph | that didn't take long :) | 14:21 |
| arfoll | wish main obs response took 4 minutes too | 14:22 |
| timoph | yeah | 14:22 |
| arfoll | seriously lbt take a break you're making them look bad | 14:22 |
| lbt | hehe .... off out this pm so you'll be on your own | 14:23 |
| arfoll | oh no... *shudders* | 14:24 |
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| lbt | OK ... core OB public API is still down | 14:29 |
| timoph | lbt: Anyone reason why obs states that a package is broken when log shows that the package(s) were actually build | 14:29 |
| timoph | -one | 14:30 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: in order to chack that you need to curl https://api.meego.com/public/lastevents then get the 'next' value.... subtract 10 and then do curl https://api.meego.com/public/lastevents?start=<value> | 14:30 |
| lbt | timoph: eg? | 14:30 |
| timoph | e.g. plasma-mobile in Project:KDE:Devel | 14:31 |
| arfoll | so the person bringing back up the web ui doesn't bother to open up the public API? this is ridiculous | 14:31 |
| lbt | correct | 14:31 |
| arfoll | how come DE/CE builds agains pub OBS and not internally? | 14:32 |
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| josu | jeh | 14:33 |
| lbt | arfoll: they're being a good reference vendor ... and highlighting that meego doesn't give a crap about customers :) Sure we can avoid this (Nokia used to) by running weekly rsyncs and building against snapshots. That's a good way to put a bit of distance between core and customer.... | 14:36 |
| lbt | and, to be fair, "supporting customers" is not one of MeeGo's goals | 14:36 |
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| lbt | blame the TSG or whoever for not making sure we actually have that as an objective... | 14:37 |
| arfoll | ahaha ok | 14:37 |
| arfoll | maybe c.obs should rsync meego obs and vendors link to there instead... | 14:38 |
| RST38h | What *are* Meego goals nowadays? | 14:38 |
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| RST38h | I mean, I do have some suspicions but wishing to verify them | 14:39 |
| arfoll | making sure developers have a rest on weekends | 14:39 |
| timoph | :) | 14:39 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: thanks I'll have a look. is this something I can possibly check automagically using icinga? :) | 14:41 |
| lbt | yes | 14:41 |
| lbt | that's what I meant :) | 14:41 |
| lbt | gimme a minute ... perl ? | 14:41 |
| lbt | or bash? | 14:41 |
| dm8tbr | and JFTR Tieto does the same as Nokia. I do rsyncs from time to time. just works (tm) | 14:42 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: either is fine. I'm not going to complain if you have something for me :) | 14:42 |
| dm8tbr | I'm out in a minute or two so will look at it later on | 14:42 |
| lbt | us :) | 14:42 |
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| lbt | dm8tbr: if curl -s "https://api.meego.com/public/lastevents?start=$(echo $(( $(curl -s https://api.meego.com/public/lastevents | cut -f2 -d'"') - 10 )))" | grep -q "remote error"; then echo Public API down; else echo Public API up; fi | 14:49 |
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| * dm8tbr tries to find the syntax error in the above | 14:59 | |
| dm8tbr | at least my bash barfs | 14:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | missing then? | 15:03 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: nah .. WFM .... | 15:03 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/2334175 | 15:03 |
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| lbt | and it assumes https://api.meego.com responds.. | 15:04 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: that works now, thanks | 15:09 |
| dm8tbr | must have been some paste problem | 15:09 |
| dm8tbr | ah, yes, my irc client cut off a bit :/ | 15:10 |
| lbt | ah... OK | 15:10 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: and I'll add that as a service check, so it won't try to do this if the host is considered down. | 15:14 |
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| ErwinJunge | Hi all, anyone here ever use SDL_gles on maemo? I'm trying to port darkplaces to N900 and I'm getting 2 screens: 1. Title correct, but black screen; 2. Title "unknown", but has menu of game. Any pointers on what I might be screwing up? | 17:00 |
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| timoph | wrong channel? try #maemo | 17:01 |
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| ErwinJunge | Noone there responds (so probably noone there has used it). Since a lot of the developers from maemo moved to meego, I figured I'd try here as well :) | 17:02 |
| timoph | ah :) | 17:05 |
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| berndhs | maybe I'll wait for the nicer version of QDBus in Qt5 | 17:20 |
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| lcuk | lbt, the meego api | 17:48 |
| timoph | seems to be building now | 17:48 |
| timoph | for DE target | 17:48 |
| lcuk | would that be able to tell my device in a push manner that new build is ready? | 17:48 |
| lcuk | hi timoph \o | 17:48 |
| timoph | o/ | 17:48 |
| timoph | lcuk: packaged samegame for your n950 :) | 17:48 |
| lcuk | I have just returned from manchester, muscles are aching that I have not used since I got a car | 17:48 |
| lcuk | timoph, as a debian package? | 17:49 |
| timoph | yep | 17:49 |
| lcuk | oh cooleo | 17:49 |
| timoph | haven't tried it from the repo yet though | 17:49 |
| lcuk | i just reflashed it last night so can add some repositories and test | 17:49 |
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| lcuk | i came across a method for mapping a set of touchscreens physical locations last night | 17:50 |
| lcuk | but i need to make the app run on multiple units | 17:50 |
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| timoph | ok. I was wrong DE target is not working :/ | 17:50 |
| timoph | err | 17:51 |
| lcuk | it will be nice when n950-ce gets moving | 17:51 |
| timoph | yep | 17:51 |
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| lcuk | i keep accidentally catching finger on the app launcher in n950 | 17:51 |
| lcuk | the capacitive is very sensitive | 17:52 |
| timoph | yep I noticed | 17:52 |
| timoph | I keep retweeting, etc by accident on mobile twitter :) | 17:52 |
| lofty306 | ha ha | 17:53 |
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| timoph | lcuk: but yeah. I've seen the CE running on n950 and it works very smoothly | 17:57 |
| lcuk | timoph, at a meego-fi meeting? | 17:58 |
| timoph | e.g. fennec starts in under 2 secs | 17:58 |
| timoph | yep | 17:58 |
| lcuk | cool | 17:58 |
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| lcuk | i shall get samegame on this n950 today | 17:58 |
| lcuk | and ponder whether I can do the mapping in similar manner | 17:59 |
| lcuk | i am curious: when I got my n900, I could run binaries built for n810 | 17:59 |
| timoph | huh | 17:59 |
| lcuk | when I got my n950, it runs binaries built for n900 | 17:59 |
| lcuk | I am going to try and run n810 binary on my n950 | 17:59 |
| timoph | Qt? | 17:59 |
| lcuk | if that works, a quick scp across all my devices will be fun | 18:00 |
| lcuk | no, these are liqbase apps | 18:00 |
| timoph | ah | 18:00 |
| lcuk | i cannot run latest qt on my n8x0s | 18:00 |
| timoph | true | 18:00 |
| alterego | It shouldn't do, the N950 is supposed to be hardfp | 18:00 |
| lcuk | keyboard on n950 feels as big as n810 one | 18:01 |
| alterego | Do you use integer arithmetic for everything? | 18:01 |
| lcuk | alterego, harp/soft fp only inteferes with fp calls | 18:01 |
| alterego | indeed | 18:01 |
| thiago | lcuk: and the N9 hw keyboard will feel as big as the N800 hw keyboard | 18:02 |
| lcuk | lol! | 18:02 |
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| GAN900 | thiago, not quite. | 18:03 |
| lcuk | thiago, perhaps later devices will add a cover like the 770 | 18:03 |
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| thiago | GAN900: not quite? | 18:05 |
| GAN900 | thiago, I'd argue resistive makes a better swing at being a soft-hardware keyboard than capacitive. ;) | 18:06 |
| thiago | GAN900: I went back and wrote "hw keyboard" | 18:06 |
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| GAN900 | i.e., resistive actually provides some form of tactile feedback. | 18:09 |
| lcuk | the vkb on n950 is very good :) | 18:10 |
| lcuk | maliit is awesome | 18:10 |
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| thiago | GAN900: well, the N9/N950 and even the symbian devices fake it by vibrating anyway | 18:13 |
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| GAN900 | If you're running something better than w22, anyway. | 18:13 |
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| iluminator101 | is there certain android phones you can switch to meego easily with low or minimal hardware issues? | 18:19 |
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| dm8tbr | iluminator101: zero | 18:19 |
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| iluminator101 | i was thinking since they both run the kernel it would easy to switch meego | 18:20 |
| meego-test | hello all you good people | 18:20 |
| GAN900 | Somebody needs to release a nice IPS MeeGo tablet. | 18:21 |
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| meego-test | this is my first run of meego, can it run bash, sh scripts on startup to get firefox to startup on first run ? | 18:22 |
| meego-test | at boot | 18:22 |
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| meego-test | ah, i see its google chrome | 18:23 |
| meego-test | same question , different browser ... | 18:23 |
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| timoph | it has bash as the default shell so yes | 18:24 |
| meego-test | okey, so where would you put an script to run on boot ? | 18:25 |
| meego-test | init.rc ? or is there an gui that can do the same trick ? | 18:25 |
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| timoph | well depends on the version of meego | 18:26 |
| timoph | I don't really understand why you want to do it like that | 18:27 |
| dm8tbr | and the UX | 18:27 |
| timoph | if you're building a custom meego just add it to the image when you're building it | 18:28 |
| meego-test | i was thinking to use it for kiosk mode.. would startup the browser in an webpage to visit | 18:28 |
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| timoph | so it would start browser after boot and point it to a specific url | 18:29 |
| meego-test | but i guess i will have to do some research into how meego works | 18:29 |
| meego-test | yes | 18:29 |
| meego-test | also would do an F11 for fullscreen | 18:30 |
| thiago | meego-test: you actually want to add to uxstart | 18:30 |
| meego-test | okey | 18:30 |
| meego-test | cool | 18:30 |
| meego-test | where to find uxstart.. | 18:33 |
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| meego-test | are you here the developers of meego ? | 18:35 |
| meego-test | not a lot of users on the channel.. | 18:35 |
| timoph | find / -name uxlaunch 2>/dev/null | 18:37 |
| thiago | meego-test: 415 people here | 18:38 |
| thiago | that's not a lot of people? | 18:38 |
| meego-test | came from the ubuntu channel | 18:38 |
| thiago | that's not a very good sample | 18:39 |
| thiago | big channels on Freenode have a couple hundred people | 18:40 |
| thiago | so at 415, we're rather big | 18:40 |
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| meego-test | okey, i see | 18:40 |
| linuxman410 | when i installed meego 1.2 on my asus eeepc 900a updates will not work | 18:41 |
| CosmoHill | linuxman410: are you able to connect to the internet? | 18:42 |
| linuxman410 | yes | 18:43 |
| linuxman410 | CosmoHill i can connect to internet just fine | 18:44 |
| linuxman410 | CosmoHill i tried to update with app and in terminal | 18:45 |
| linuxman410 | CosmoHill half the apps do not work in 1.2 either | 18:46 |
| CosmoHill | how odd | 18:46 |
| linuxman410 | CosmoHill i downloaded version with chrome is there a difference | 18:47 |
| CosmoHill | the only difference should be Chrome because it requires you to agree to a EULA before you can download it | 18:48 |
| linuxman410 | guess i will try to reinstall and see what happens | 18:48 |
| meego-test | i have been building pc' s for musea use , interactive kind of way' s and used ubuntu for the backend, i stumbled unto meego, its lightweight, could be an alternative.. | 18:49 |
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| lcuk | so I have a cluster of touch devices | 20:14 |
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| lcuk | they are able to communicate over the network | 20:14 |
| lcuk | so know that other devices are present | 20:14 |
| lcuk | mapping physical locations of each of them and interrelations | 20:14 |
| lcuk | i have considered a few, mostly involving photographing a barcode on the screen | 20:15 |
| lcuk | but a more fun approach | 20:15 |
| lcuk | would be having map mode | 20:15 |
| lcuk | with a dot in the centre of each screen | 20:15 |
| lcuk | drawing a line between each of the dots | 20:15 |
| lcuk | will give interrelationships in locations | 20:15 |
| lcuk | based on where point/stroke leaves one screen and joins the adjacent one | 20:16 |
| lcuk | and it is visual and requires participation :) | 20:16 |
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| lcuk | once the screen is mapped, a large playfield is created :) | 20:16 |
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| lcuk | where multiplayer games can go over the full surface | 20:16 |
| lcuk | :) | 20:16 |
| lcuk | would be good to try with a 3*3 block of n9s | 20:17 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: .o/ | 20:17 |
| lcuk | hiya CosmoHill \o | 20:18 |
| * lcuk been pondering this all the way round the bike ride | 20:18 | |
| CosmoHill | I've been keeping my mind busy and off tomorrow's interview | 20:18 |
| lcuk | yeah, have you been doing clusters stuff too? | 20:19 |
| CosmoHill | no, still got to fix the cluster at uni | 20:19 |
| CosmoHill | no idea how tho | 20:19 |
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| lcuk | whats broken with it? | 20:21 |
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| CosmoHill | all the jobs to run on it fail and it doesn't use the cluster as a cluster, one node seems to be doing all the work and any processor load on the others can be attrubted to network data transfer | 20:22 |
| berndhs | new load balancing algorithm ? | 20:24 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, is it the specific node computer itself? | 20:25 |
| CosmoHill | normally the first node | 20:25 |
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| CosmoHill | I can run my MPI programs just fine on it so we think it's the Ansys software / configuration | 20:26 |
| lcuk | so it is possibly configuration | 20:26 |
| * lcuk should look up whilst typing :P | 20:26 | |
| CosmoHill | the big problem is that nobody knows how to | 20:27 |
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| lcuk | didn't you just ace some kind of exam in this? | 20:27 |
| * lcuk ducks | 20:28 | |
| CosmoHill | ansys is used by the engineering department (not mine) and they don't do clustering | 20:28 |
| CosmoHill | the MS HPC side of it seems to be working fine | 20:28 |
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| Sage | lcuk: wacom? | 20:36 |
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| lcuk | sage, nm it wasnt you | 20:43 |
| Sage | :) | 20:44 |
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| CosmoHill | damn laptop | 21:18 |
| yellabs-r2 | hi there | 21:19 |
| wmarone | the slashdot thread on kde + wayland is hilarious | 21:19 |
| wmarone | arrogance abound | 21:19 |
| yellabs-r2 | how can i startup an sh script on boot ? | 21:19 |
| CosmoHill | put it in /etc/init.d and create a link to it | 21:20 |
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| CosmoHill | the link would be /etc/rc#.d/S### | 21:20 |
| yellabs-r2 | not use uxlaunch | 21:20 |
| yellabs-r2 | ? | 21:20 |
| pebcak | wmarone link plz | 21:21 |
| wmarone | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/08/07/1325209/KDE-Plans-To-Support-Wayland-In-2012 | 21:21 |
| CosmoHill | you could use that, I'm only familar with init.d methods | 21:21 |
| yellabs-r2 | i tried , /home/meego/start-chromium-kiosk.sh in uxlaunch | 21:21 |
| yellabs-r2 | is that the right way to go? | 21:22 |
| CosmoHill | I have no idea tbh :) | 21:22 |
| yellabs-r2 | hehe | 21:22 |
| timoph | dunno if /etc/xdg/autostart would work for you | 21:22 |
| yellabs-r2 | it has only desktop entries | 21:23 |
| yellabs-r2 | dont know if i can put an sh script there | 21:23 |
| timoph | yep. you could make a desktop file that launches your script | 21:24 |
| yellabs-r2 | i have a feeling its not the right place.. | 21:24 |
| npm | lcuk -- here's another item to add to things that can be done w/ networked handhelds http://qmidictl.sourceforge.net/qmidictl-index.html && http://qmidinet.sourceforge.net/qmidinet-index.html && | 21:24 |
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| timoph | or have a desktop file that lauches the browser with cmd line parameters | 21:25 |
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| yellabs-r2 | hmm, i need it to "auto start" on boot | 21:25 |
| lcuk | npm, cool | 21:25 |
| lcuk | I have used OpenSoundControl in the past for projects | 21:26 |
| npm | midi isn't only for music... it's just a protocol | 21:26 |
| lcuk | and is what some of my other prototypes work on | 21:26 |
| lcuk | there isn't a qt port yet | 21:26 |
| npm | cool | 21:26 |
| npm | it *is* qt | 21:26 |
| npm | that's why they start w/ q | 21:26 |
| lcuk | your thingie is | 21:26 |
| lcuk | i was saying about osc | 21:26 |
| npm | oh | 21:26 |
| npm | i think there is | 21:26 |
| lcuk | oh coolio | 21:27 |
| npm | qtractor has it (same author as other "q" tools). ... http://www.arnoldarts.de/drupal/?q=ofqf | 21:27 |
| lcuk | npm!!!!! | 21:28 |
| npm | let me know when you're done porting it to harmattan so i can use it :-) | 21:28 |
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| lcuk | lol | 21:28 |
| * lcuk puts that on the code to tinker with pile | 21:29 | |
| lcuk | meanwhile I should see if samegame works on n950 | 21:29 |
| npm | there ought to be a name for using open source to get other people to whitewash your fence (ala tom sawyer) | 21:30 |
| npm | a subclass of geek-sniping i think | 21:30 |
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| lcuk | barn building :) | 21:30 |
| lcuk | is the common description | 21:31 |
| npm | i call it behlendorfing :-) | 21:32 |
| yellabs-r2 | i like meego . but i cant get it to do what i want | 21:34 |
| yellabs-r2 | :) | 21:34 |
| lcuk | yellabs-r2, what do you want it to do? | 21:35 |
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| lcuk | timoph, o_O harmattan browser cannot directly download the debs out of the repository | 21:36 |
| javispedro | wmarone: I was going to say that the discussion was way more proWayland than I expected | 21:36 |
| yellabs-r2 | run sh scripts at startup | 21:36 |
| yellabs-r2 | hehe | 21:36 |
| lcuk | i was trying to just get individual debs from the website but application/x-gzip is not supported | 21:36 |
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| newbie007 | hi, I've got this substandard android tablet device, I'd like to get meego on it if possible. I can't seem to access the HD, any ideas? I was thinking perhaps it would be possible to telnet to the device | 21:36 |
| javispedro | wmarone: I am browsing at score>4 threshold though =) | 21:37 |
| yellabs-r2 | is there an website that explains this maybe ? | 21:37 |
| wmarone | javispedro: yes, you are sparing yourself ;) | 21:37 |
| yellabs-r2 | would be nice , tips welcome | 21:37 |
| javispedro | *score>=4 | 21:37 |
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| * lcuk tips hat to timoph - samegame and snake both installed | 21:49 | |
| lcuk | debian package description is not filled in I note | 21:49 |
| timoph | yeah. and icons don't work :) | 21:50 |
| * timoph makes a note to remember to fix those | 21:50 | |
| lcuk | timoph, square icons are normal?! | 21:51 |
| timoph | the big red squares? :p | 21:52 |
| berndhs | world financial crisis, hunger in africa, and square icons | 21:52 |
| timoph | :) | 21:52 |
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| yellabs-r2 | whats the name of the filemanager on the bash ? | 21:54 |
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| yellabs-r2 | terminal | 21:54 |
| yellabs-r2 | command for file manager... | 21:55 |
| yellabs-r2 | ? | 21:55 |
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| lcuk | bah, diablo package is not compatible with harmattan (purely for lack of libosso) | 21:58 |
| yellabs-r2 | nevermind i cp the file | 21:59 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: oh, libosso was on SDK repo? | 22:02 |
| lcuk | javispedro, didn't look | 22:04 |
| javispedro | it is | 22:04 |
| lcuk | was just seeing if liqbase diablo build would work on harmattan | 22:04 |
| javispedro | weird it is not on device | 22:04 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: thanks to your discovery that loader doesn't care about fp abi I was able to run some sdl hello world apps I had in Diablo. | 22:05 |
| lcuk | haha | 22:05 |
| javispedro | there's for example this trivial one I use to list the scancodes when keys are pressed, which is quite useful, and was surprised to see I will not need to create its "armhf" version :) | 22:05 |
| lcuk | :) | 22:06 |
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| yellabs-r2 | ah | 22:29 |
| yellabs-r2 | got it working , great ! | 22:30 |
| yellabs-r2 | to autostart, make an bash script .sh , then create an .desktop entry , and add it to /etc/xdg/autostart | 22:30 |
| yellabs-r2 | dont forget to set permissions etc | 22:31 |
| yellabs-r2 | cool | 22:31 |
| yellabs-r2 | any way , have to get some sleep | 22:31 |
| yellabs-r2 | thanks for your time, keep up the good work, i know there is something good in it after all.. | 22:32 |
| yellabs-r2 | God Bless | 22:32 |
| yellabs-r2 | :) | 22:32 |
| yellabs-r2 | bye all | 22:32 |
| timoph | np o/ | 22:32 |
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| lcuk | timoph, did I just blink and miss someone find assistance they needed then thank the chan? | 23:03 |
| * lcuk likes things like that | 23:03 | |
| timoph | yeah | 23:04 |
| timoph | doesn't happen too often | 23:04 |
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| * dm8tbr marks this day in his calendar | 23:16 | |
| dm8tbr | doesn't happen too often... | 23:16 |
| lcuk | dm8tbr, it does | 23:18 |
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| kickme | Hello MeeGo community. There is an offer, giving aavamobile.info domain for gratis,anyone interested? Company makes no interest in owning the domain (no email answers so far), so you can use it for whatever. | 23:43 |
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| * CosmoHill pokes lcuk | 23:45 | |
| sofar | kickme: I appreciate the non-commercial tone of your message, but if you haven't received any interest in it by now, you should probably give up on it before I ban you again. | 23:46 |
| CosmoHill | put up a picture of a puppy | 23:46 |
| sofar | haha | 23:47 |
| * CosmoHill ran a website that had a hand drawn dog saying "woof!" for several months | 23:47 | |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, did it get many views? | 23:48 |
| lcuk | and is it mirrored anywhere? | 23:48 |
| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/amiapoil/dogs/ | 23:48 |
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| CosmoHill | not been updated in a while | 23:48 |
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| CosmoHill | (do you like my dog?) | 23:49 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, lol adorable | 23:49 |
| lcuk | but that webpage shows more than an animated dog :P | 23:49 |
| lcuk | err drawn | 23:50 |
| CosmoHill | well it only had the dog until the content was made | 23:50 |
| lcuk | reasonable | 23:50 |
| * lcuk tinkers with qt stuffs | 23:51 | |
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| * CosmoHill wonders what kinda questions he should ask in the interview | 23:57 | |
| berndhs | ask them to show you the money :) | 23:58 |
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