| maligor | jedix, you mean build.meego.com as opposed to build.pub.meego.com? | 00:00 |
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| jedix | maligor, yes. | 00:00 |
| maligor | I'm not really sure if they're attached to the same account system | 00:00 |
| maligor | I have separate accounts for both, but that could just be due to the weird way I got the b.m.c acct | 00:01 |
| jedix | I got mine via a bug request | 00:01 |
| jedix | iirc | 00:01 |
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| jedix | I'll bug them monday | 00:03 |
| jedix | thanks guys | 00:03 |
| CosmoHill | I always forgot to ask that | 00:04 |
| CosmoHill | jedix: it's not lbt or x-fade for build.meego.com | 00:04 |
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| jedix | CosmoHill: oh | 00:10 |
| jedix | who is it then? | 00:10 |
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| Ulf^ | For build.meego.com you file a bug as well | 00:12 |
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| Ulf^ | https://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Build%20Service | 00:13 |
| Ulf^ | Build Service Accounts | 00:13 |
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| wasutton3 | i am thinking of using the meego-ivi for my carpc, and i was looking what boards it supports. it appears to be looking for an e6xx series atom processor, but i cannot seem to find them anywhere. any ideas? | 01:16 |
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| lcuk | wasutton3, meego-ivi will know for certain | 01:58 |
| lcuk | but it seems like friday night happened :P | 01:59 |
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| vgrade | dm8tbr ping, ExoPc area needed, http://yfrog.com/kl9qxecj, image and ks | 02:23 |
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| vgrade | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_IVI_on_ExoPC#MIC_Kickstart_version | 02:29 |
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| Reffy | npm: Did the libraries assist you in the application? | 02:40 |
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| Reffy | I'd like to utilise them, but would like to know if they work before I attempt | 02:41 |
| Reffy | I also have a concern - Marxian expressed his negative reaction to a particular person porting CuteTube | 02:41 |
| Reffy | While he has received an N950 | 02:41 |
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| Reffy | I assume he was referring to your efforts? | 02:42 |
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| sivang | re all | 02:52 |
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| berndhs | sivang: and then some ! | 02:54 |
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| Reffy | To all who are here, I built my application using Qt Creator (Windows. My Linux Linux needs a format). I am attempting to get my application to build on OBS, but am coming up with an error. | 02:59 |
| Reffy | I'll find the error, hang on | 02:59 |
| Reffy | Think it's a common one, I had a similar one on Extras-Devel | 02:59 |
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| Reffy | Here's the error: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=Aerofy&project=home%3Areffy&repository=Harmattan | 03:01 |
| Reffy | Harmattan, by the way. | 03:01 |
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| npm | Reffy: what libraries? | 03:02 |
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| Reffy | QmSystem2 | 03:03 |
| Reffy | Accidental plural | 03:03 |
| npm | yeah i'm trying to get it to work. | 03:04 |
| npm | and yes i got a nastygram from the original author instead of thanks for the patch https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=6932 | 03:04 |
| sivang | berndhs: ;) | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 03:05 |
| Reffy | Good. I'll be working with the library in the morning, will let you know how I get on. | 03:05 |
| sivang | bah | 03:05 |
| Reffy | Damn | 03:05 |
| sivang | Reffy: you have the N950 devkit? :) | 03:06 |
| Reffy | Haven't heard the term "nastygram" before | 03:06 |
| Reffy | Sounds awful | 03:06 |
| npm | so marxian can diff my fork from now on | 03:06 |
| Reffy | sivang: Yup. You? | 03:06 |
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| Reffy | npm: Well, are you going to promote it to the community repository? I believe that Marxian would have the same intention. | 03:07 |
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| npm | hell no. that's his job. I'm trying to rewrite it | 03:08 |
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| npm | and if he wants to ignore my patches and duplicate my efforts then he's welcome | 03:09 |
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| npm | it is a pretty silly way to act in open source land. but hey, i've had to calm down a tearful richard stallman at the dinner table so i'm sure i can handle just about any programmers hissyfit | 03:10 |
| npm | actually lunch table | 03:10 |
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| npm | and when i'm done i'll call it something else | 03:13 |
| npm | (like tubelet http://wiki.meego.com/tubelet-and-cutetube-port ) | 03:14 |
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| Reffy | Yeah, I can see your point. I personally wouldn't mind if somebody adopted my work. I appreciate both your efforts. Open source ensures that work can be continued if the original author decides (or is forced) to not work on it anymore. | 03:16 |
| npm | and it's going to have much nicer features courtesy of qtzibit http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qtzibit-youtube.png | 03:16 |
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| npm | which is generated by very little code: http://qtzibit.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/exhibit/src/webapp/examples/YouTube/YouTube.html | 03:19 |
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| berndhs | jones needs to be fixed | 03:31 |
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| Reffy | Jones, I am rolling up my sleeves. | 03:37 |
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| berndhs | howdy Termana: | 03:42 |
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| antman8969 | could anyone tell me if meego will be using booster / invoker to launch apps? Or is it just harmattan | 05:22 |
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| xd13 | man i think i have visual on an answer for the for the n9seconds but the video isn't sharp enough for me to figure it out | 06:09 |
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| rm_you | lbt / X-Fade: hey | 07:09 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: mind giving this jones- a friendly boot? or any other op for that matter | 08:17 |
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| rm_you | wow jones- is having some serious issues | 08:26 |
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| sofar | hope I got that right | 08:31 |
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| sofar | bah | 08:32 |
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| sofar | hmm | 08:34 |
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| KermitMei | Excuse me, I installed the last version(20110719) of Meego for tablet on (VPAD 10), but the touch screen is not well. I don't know which driver can make it work well(From:http://lii-enac.fr/en/architecture/linux-input/multitouch-devices.html). Did anybody deal with it? | 09:15 |
| KermitMei | Thanks | 09:15 |
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| vgrade | lbt, morning | 11:42 |
| lbt | hey vgrade | 11:42 |
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| * lbt just catching up on some work... then looking at the publishing mess and hopefully Apps and maybe some CE work | 11:43 | |
| * lbt looks wistfully at his N950 ... | 11:44 | |
| vgrade | vgrade wishes he could help | 11:46 |
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| lcuk | lbt, do we need some kind of shopping/todo list on n950 to help you? | 13:14 |
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| lbt | :) | 13:18 |
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| vgrade | ExoPC IVI for Meego . http://t.co/CyqACsT | 13:34 |
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| dm8tbr | vgrade: it now has a new url which skips the whole 'disclaimer' bullshit: images.formeego.org (I might add some tamer version, that will happen together with the main page on www though) | 13:39 |
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| lcuk | is it known how much of the Swipe UI is open and usable in generic meego images? | 14:48 |
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| Elleo | is scheduling a bit broken on OBS at the moment? I've had two packages that just aren't getting scheduled since yesterday, despite attempting to manually trigger builds for them | 14:52 |
| CosmoHill | Elleo: community or meego.com ? | 14:53 |
| Elleo | or is it just something wrong with me/Harmattan stuff? | 14:53 |
| Elleo | CosmoHill: build.pub.meego.com | 14:53 |
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| CosmoHill | Elleo: it's possible that the cobs isn't functioning properly, best speak to lbt or X-Fade | 14:59 |
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| lbt | Elleo: which ? | 15:00 |
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| Elleo | lbt: I have two packages, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=cdbs&project=home%3Aelleo <-- listed as unresolvable but that's from the previous upload, the latest upload just isn't being processed | 15:02 |
| Elleo | then I tried creating https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=cdbs2&project=home%3Aelleo incase there was some issue with things previously listed as "unresolvable", but that never gets scheduled | 15:02 |
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| lbt | so where is ant and default-jdk coming from ? | 15:03 |
| Elleo | I've tried running 'osc rebuild' on each, without any real effect | 15:03 |
| Elleo | lbt: they're not, I've modified the package to remove the need for them | 15:03 |
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| Elleo | but the latest upload (which doesn't depend on them) isn't being processed | 15:04 |
| lbt | ok | 15:04 |
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| Elleo | and I've checked and can build the package locally without the need for ant/jdk | 15:04 |
| Elleo | cdbs is just a bunch of debian rule files for making packaging easier, so having it available would making porting lots of other packages (which depend on cdbs) much simpler | 15:05 |
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| lbt | *nod* | 15:06 |
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| lbt | goddam ... the scheduler is down | 15:09 |
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| lbt | Elleo: I've restarted the scheduler... it takes a while to cycle round due to a bug in OBS (newer version being used in maemo for Harmattan than pub.meego.com) | 15:17 |
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| lbt | if it's not running in 10 mins ... ping me | 15:18 |
| Elleo | lbt: okay, thanks a lot :) | 15:18 |
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| Elleo | lbt: seems to be working perfectly now, thanks again | 15:53 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm, RAID 1 with 2 drives or RAID 5 with 3 drives for an extra £50ish | 15:58 |
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| Elleo | lbt: might have spoken too soon there, one that has built isn't being delivered to the repo (https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=python-scour&project=home%3Aelleo) and one that depends on it claims to be building but isn't really (https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=cdbs&project=home%3Aelleo) | 16:50 |
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| ysss | @Cosmo: what's the content... if it's for media, go for raid-5... | 16:52 |
| CosmoHill | mixed, videos, computer backups, source files | 16:53 |
| CosmoHill | aparantly you can override RAID1 metadata with RAID5 metadata and it will rebuild the array | 16:54 |
| lcuk | vgrade, ping, the joggler image on http://images.formeego.org/joggler/ do I just plug in usb and bootup? | 17:00 |
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| vgrade | lcuk, sec while I check. its sometime since I did that | 17:01 |
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| lcuk | vgrade, since there is a readme there, if it does require more things perhaps filling in the readme would be good | 17:02 |
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| lbt | Elleo: *sigh* ... there are a lot of "not quite right" bits around... makes diagnosing this hard | 17:03 |
| vgrade | yes those are very old images indeed with early emgd drivers. | 17:03 |
| lbt | X-Fade isn't around this weekend and he's been managing the maemo OBS | 17:03 |
| lbt | I killed it and saw some rpc timeouts.... not sure what causes that | 17:04 |
| lbt | the worker certainly isn't building | 17:04 |
| Elleo | lbt: there's no real rush from my end, I'm happy enough waiting, just wanted to make sure you were aware of any issues | 17:04 |
| vgrade | lcuk, still, you should be able to write the netbook image to flash and boot. I suggest a usb hub so you can get a kb on as well as the flask key | 17:05 |
| Elleo | do packages not need to be published in repos for them to be picked up as valid dependencies for other builds? | 17:05 |
| ysss | CosmoHill: are you buildilng a new system (naslike) or will that be an addition to an already running system of yours? | 17:05 |
| Elleo | as the cdbs one started after the python-scour build finished despite it not having been sent to the repository | 17:05 |
| lcuk | vgrade, ahh will just try and boot it up and see what it does | 17:05 |
| * lcuk looks for the psu | 17:05 | |
| Elleo | (although the cdbs one isn't actually doing anything) | 17:05 |
| ysss | if it's a standalone file server, bsd's zfs implementation is really fast.. | 17:06 |
| CosmoHill | ysss: it will be a new server running linux | 17:06 |
| CosmoHill | I'll probably use XFS like I do on my current server or JFS | 17:06 |
| lbt | Elleo: no, publish happens when all packages are built. Intermediate results are available internally | 17:06 |
| ysss | i've had experience with slow creeping bitrot that I try to use zfs (with at least weekly scrubbing) for my important files now... it was due to bad hardware (cable/controller) | 17:08 |
| Elleo | lbt: ah okay | 17:09 |
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| CosmoHill | I had a bad IDE cable that caused the drive to run a 33MB/s, I replaced and found the controller only supported 66MB/s | 17:12 |
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| lbt | Elleo: building now | 17:24 |
| Elleo | lbt: great, thanks :) | 17:24 |
| lbt | what's annoying is I don't know why. | 17:25 |
| Elleo | heh | 17:26 |
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| Elleo | I don't suppose it's something simple like one specific worker that never responds? So when things get scheduled to another worked they magically start working? | 17:27 |
| Elleo | worker* | 17:27 |
| lbt | no, it's not that | 17:27 |
| lbt | it's either connectivity to maemo or local http issues | 17:28 |
| CosmoHill | ysss: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/pastebin/index.php?9 | 17:31 |
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| ysss | CosmoHill: do you have a separate boot drive? i haven't dabbled with manually setting up raid on linux lately, so i'm not sure how it's setup now; back when i tinkered with that, raid-1 is easier to recover when it also serve as the boot drive because either drives in the set can be used by itself. | 17:35 |
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| ysss | so that's one thing to consider/look into | 17:36 |
| CosmoHill | my current server has the OS on a non-raid drive because the RAID was added later (alone with SATA), also it doesn't have an initramfs | 17:37 |
| ysss | ah, i see it on your list now | 17:37 |
| ysss | for me, between 2x2tb raid-1 vs 3x1tb raid-5 is a no brainer.. go for the raid-1. better protection, simpler, etc.. | 17:39 |
| CosmoHill | oh damn, forgot the Gbe NIC | 17:41 |
| ysss | I'd get the raid-1 to store my important stuffs, then just get the extra 2TB standalone for my media. you live at a place with decent connection speed, right? so you can reget all the crap if it's ever lost. | 17:42 |
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| CosmoHill | it would be for backing up the family computers so as long as they don't die at the same time the server does | 17:43 |
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| ysss | are they all linux | 17:49 |
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| CosmoHill | nope, windows | 17:49 |
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| ysss | how will you back them up... | 17:53 |
| CosmoHill | windows backup over samba | 17:53 |
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| ysss | can't help you there | 17:58 |
| CosmoHill | don't worry, it's something I do already | 17:58 |
| * CosmoHill gives ysss a cookie for his help | 17:59 | |
| ysss | and a glass of milk please | 17:59 |
| * CosmoHill magics one up | 17:59 | |
| ysss | you're a gentleman, a scholar and apparently a magician too | 17:59 |
| CosmoHill | that reminds me, I need to write documentation >.< | 18:00 |
| ysss | well you need a wizard for that | 18:03 |
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| ysss | but seriously, for digital family assets (photos especially) do consider zfs.. it's the worst feeling when you think you have things backed up and protected, but a jpg shows up corrupted when you need it down the road. | 18:06 |
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| lcuk | bah LAMP stack installed, tinkering with it on localhost but php is rusty | 18:54 |
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| CosmoHill | Cars is on BBC1 in a moment | 18:59 |
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| DrHalan | hey guys. how am i able to get hands on the n950? | 19:17 |
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| javispedro | violence against a current n950 owner. | 19:21 |
| DrHalan | sounds like an option. | 19:23 |
| DrHalan | its just my n900s screen just broke :/ don't know if i should put any more money in that device | 19:23 |
| DrHalan | the usb-port already cam off and I need to use an external charger which is kinda annoying | 19:24 |
| Alison_Chaiken | DrHalan, I'd consider a new N900. | 19:24 |
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| DrHalan | Alison_Chaiken: the hardware of the n900 is a little outdated to buy a new device don't you think? | 19:25 |
| javispedro | as is the n950's... | 19:25 |
| CosmoHill | DrHalan: the last person who sent his N900 for repairs ended up with a N8 | 19:25 |
| DrHalan | really? Thought the n950 had the hardware of the n9 | 19:26 |
| Alison_Chaiken | DrHalan, the hardware of the N950 and N900 differ primarily in the touchscreen as far as I can make out. | 19:26 |
| sheepbat | one has an omap 3430 | 19:27 |
| DrHalan | mh that sucks :/ | 19:27 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Stskeeps and co-conspirators will prolly have MeeGo DE working on N900 first, which matters to me. | 19:27 |
| sheepbat | the other has an omap 3630 | 19:27 |
| DrHalan | but the hardware of the n9 is better? | 19:27 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Both have SGX530 GPU. | 19:27 |
| Alison_Chaiken | DrHalan, N9 has same processor, much better touchscreen and beautiful industrial design. | 19:27 |
| sheepbat | and no keyboard | 19:28 |
| javispedro | same touchscreen, but different screen | 19:28 |
| javispedro | the one on the n950 is a 854x480 tft lcd | 19:28 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Yeah, the N950 is the one I'd want, but my options tend toward the expensive or violent too! But I have plenty of other toys to play with . . . | 19:29 |
| javispedro | but the n9 has a 650*400something amoled | 19:29 |
| Elleo | the n950 (and n9) are both 1.2Ghz as opposed to the 600Mhz in the n900 | 19:29 |
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| javispedro | they are 1Ghz. | 19:29 |
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| Elleo | oh is it 1ghz? | 19:30 |
| sheepbat | ..the n9 has a different resolution screen? | 19:30 |
| javispedro | yes, it has pentile rgbg | 19:31 |
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| DrHalan | well 600 to 1000 mhz is a big difference | 19:32 |
| DrHalan | i mean the n900 is pretty limited. I can't even run firefox on it properly | 19:32 |
| Elleo | everything I can see lists the n9 as being 854x480 | 19:32 |
| Elleo | albeit amoled instead of tft | 19:33 |
| Elleo | would be pretty strange for nokia to send out n950s with 854x480 screens and not mention that all our applications will actually need to work with 600x400 or similar | 19:33 |
| javispedro | Elleo: they mention it | 19:34 |
| Elleo | javispedro: where? | 19:35 |
| javispedro | sdk release notes | 19:35 |
| javispedro | "developers should avoid one pixel with fonts and graphical objects with lines one pixel wide" | 19:36 |
| Elleo | that doesn't indicate a different resolution though | 19:37 |
| Elleo | do you mean there's an effective resolution of 854x480 scalled down to a 650x400 display? | 19:38 |
| javispedro | exactly. | 19:38 |
| Elleo | ah right, that's not an issue then | 19:38 |
| Elleo | I was worried about the actual effective resolution being different (so suddenly parts of my application are off screen, etc.) | 19:38 |
| Elleo | "Also avoid | 19:39 |
| Elleo | the extensive use of bright colors, especially white, when developing | 19:39 |
| Elleo | for OLED displays as this increases the power consumption (typical | 19:39 |
| Elleo | for OLED displays)." | 19:39 |
| Elleo | oops, that was supposed to be a single line, sorry | 19:39 |
| Elleo | ^ seems a bit silly that the default theme for the qml components is all white in that case though | 19:40 |
| javispedro | well there's the inverted theme hwich is probably a css one-liner | 19:40 |
| Elleo | yeah, but they should really make it the default if that's the prefered guideline | 19:41 |
| berndhs | yeah the funeral parlor theme is much better | 19:41 |
| Elleo | since I'll have to modify the colours of the various images in my application to match that now | 19:41 |
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| DrHalan | is there maybe an andorid device that meego runs on unoffically? | 20:27 |
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| Elleo | DrHalan: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2414 | 20:31 |
| Elleo | nexus s has some stuff working it seems: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Hummingbird but not really usable yet | 20:32 |
| Elleo | DrHalan: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD <-- seems a bit more promising | 20:33 |
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| DrHalan | thanks | 20:36 |
| DrHalan | what about aava devices. can i purchase them? | 20:37 |
| CosmoHill | didn't aava go pop? | 20:37 |
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| CosmoHill | aparantly not | 20:39 |
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| Elleo | seif: python-telepathy is now all packaged up for harmattan and in my repo | 20:39 |
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| Elleo | rzr: I noticed you had a cdbs package that wasn't building in your repo, I've made a version that'll work against harmattan without needing to pull in lots of java stuff if you want to clone a copy: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=cdbs&project=home%3Aelleo | 20:40 |
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| berndhs | when are they coming ? | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | soon | 22:00 |
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| Bostik | fangs? | 22:01 |
| CosmoHill | yes, that | 22:01 |
| Bostik | that'd be a sight | 22:01 |
| CosmoHill | I'd take a picture but I had pictures of myself, and I have a beard | 22:02 |
| berndhs | was watching Shanghai Noon just the other day | 22:02 |
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| berndhs | Xander Berkeley does a really convincing Lee Van Cleef in that one | 22:05 |
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| hexlotar | Does MeeGo have UVC driver(for camera) | 22:22 |
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| dm8tbr | hexlotar: depends on the adaptation if it's compiled | 22:26 |
| antman8969 | hey lbt, are you afk? | 22:26 |
| antman8969 | or anyone actually... does anyone know if the harmattan OBS target is supposed to be functional right now? | 22:27 |
| dm8tbr | there have been some hickups recently | 22:28 |
| antman8969 | I've added the repo but It doesn't appear as an option to build against | 22:28 |
| antman8969 | have you used it recently? | 22:28 |
| dm8tbr | haven't used it yet | 22:29 |
| antman8969 | lame | 22:30 |
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| antman8969 | actuallyl it's the same problem as with Ubuntu 10.10 as a target... just doesn't appear for me to build against after i add it | 22:30 |
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| lbt | antman8969: I was | 23:05 |
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