IRC log of #meego for Saturday, 2011-07-23

maligorjedix, you mean build.meego.com as opposed to build.pub.meego.com?00:00
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jedixmaligor, yes.00:00
maligorI'm not really sure if they're attached to the same account system00:00
maligorI have separate accounts for both, but that could just be due to the weird way I got the b.m.c acct00:01
jedixI got mine via a bug request00:01
jedixiirc00:01
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jedixI'll bug them monday00:03
jedixthanks guys00:03
CosmoHillI always forgot to ask that00:04
CosmoHilljedix: it's not lbt or x-fade for build.meego.com00:04
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jedixCosmoHill: oh00:10
jedixwho is it then?00:10
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Ulf^For build.meego.com you file a bug as well00:12
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Ulf^https://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Build%20Service00:13
Ulf^Build Service Accounts00:13
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wasutton3i am thinking of using the meego-ivi for my carpc, and i was looking what boards it supports. it appears to be looking for an e6xx series atom processor, but i cannot seem to find them anywhere. any ideas?01:16
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lcukwasutton3, meego-ivi will know for certain01:58
lcukbut it seems like friday night happened :P01:59
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vgradedm8tbr ping, ExoPc area needed, http://yfrog.com/kl9qxecj, image and ks02:23
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vgradehttp://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_IVI_on_ExoPC#MIC_Kickstart_version02:29
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Reffynpm: Did the libraries assist you in the application?02:40
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ReffyI'd like to utilise them, but would like to know if they work before I attempt02:41
ReffyI also have a concern - Marxian expressed his negative reaction to a particular person porting CuteTube02:41
ReffyWhile he has received an N95002:41
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ReffyI assume he was referring to your efforts?02:42
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sivangre all02:52
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berndhssivang: and then some !02:54
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ReffyTo all who are here, I built my application using Qt Creator (Windows. My Linux Linux needs a format). I am attempting to get my application to build on OBS, but am coming up with an error.02:59
ReffyI'll find the error, hang on02:59
ReffyThink it's a common one, I had a similar one on Extras-Devel02:59
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ReffyHere's the error: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=Aerofy&project=home%3Areffy&repository=Harmattan03:01
ReffyHarmattan, by the way.03:01
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npmReffy: what libraries?03:02
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ReffyQmSystem203:03
ReffyAccidental plural03:03
npmyeah i'm trying to get it to work.03:04
npmand yes i got a nastygram from the original author instead of thanks for the patch https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=693203:04
sivangberndhs: ;)03:05
SpeedEvil:/03:05
ReffyGood. I'll be working with the library in the morning, will let you know how I get on.03:05
sivangbah03:05
ReffyDamn03:05
sivangReffy: you have the N950 devkit? :)03:06
ReffyHaven't heard the term "nastygram" before03:06
ReffySounds awful03:06
npmso marxian can diff my fork from now on03:06
Reffysivang: Yup. You?03:06
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Reffynpm: Well, are you going to promote it to the community repository? I believe that Marxian would have the same intention.03:07
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npmhell no. that's his job. I'm trying to rewrite it03:08
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npmand if he wants to ignore my patches and duplicate my efforts then he's welcome03:09
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npmit is a pretty silly way to act in open source land. but hey, i've had to calm down a tearful richard stallman at the dinner table so i'm sure i can handle just about any programmers hissyfit03:10
npmactually lunch table03:10
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npmand when i'm done i'll call it something else03:13
npm(like tubelet http://wiki.meego.com/tubelet-and-cutetube-port )03:14
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ReffyYeah, I can see your point. I personally wouldn't mind if somebody adopted my work. I appreciate both your efforts. Open source ensures that work can be continued if the original author decides (or is forced) to not work on it anymore.03:16
npmand it's going to have much nicer features courtesy of qtzibit http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qtzibit-youtube.png03:16
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npmwhich is generated by very little code: http://qtzibit.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/exhibit/src/webapp/examples/YouTube/YouTube.html03:19
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berndhsjones needs to be fixed03:31
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ReffyJones, I am rolling up my sleeves.03:37
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berndhshowdy Termana:03:42
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antman8969could anyone tell me if meego will be using booster / invoker to launch apps? Or is it just harmattan05:22
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xd13man i think i have visual on an answer for the for the n9seconds but the video isn't sharp enough for me to figure it out06:09
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rm_youlbt / X-Fade: hey07:09
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dm8tbrStskeeps: mind giving this jones- a friendly boot? or any other op for that matter08:17
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sofarhope I got that right08:31
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KermitMeiExcuse me, I installed the last version(20110719) of Meego for tablet on (VPAD 10), but the touch screen is not well.  I don't know which driver can make it work well(From:http://lii-enac.fr/en/architecture/linux-input/multitouch-devices.html). Did anybody deal with it?09:15
KermitMeiThanks09:15
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vgradelbt, morning11:42
lbthey vgrade11:42
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* lbt just catching up on some work... then looking at the publishing mess and hopefully Apps and maybe some CE work11:43
* lbt looks wistfully at his N950 ...11:44
vgradevgrade wishes he could help11:46
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lcuklbt, do we need some kind of shopping/todo list on n950 to help you?13:14
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lbt:)13:18
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vgradeExoPC IVI for Meego . http://t.co/CyqACsT13:34
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dm8tbrvgrade: it now has a new url which skips the whole 'disclaimer' bullshit: images.formeego.org (I might add some tamer version, that will happen together with the main page on www though)13:39
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lcukis it known how much of the Swipe UI is open and usable in generic meego images?14:48
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Elleois scheduling a bit broken on OBS at the moment? I've had two packages that just aren't getting scheduled since yesterday, despite attempting to manually trigger builds for them14:52
CosmoHillElleo: community or meego.com ?14:53
Elleoor is it just something wrong with me/Harmattan stuff?14:53
ElleoCosmoHill: build.pub.meego.com14:53
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CosmoHillElleo: it's possible that the cobs isn't functioning properly, best speak to lbt or X-Fade14:59
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lbtElleo: which ?15:00
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Elleolbt: I have two packages, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=cdbs&project=home%3Aelleo <-- listed as unresolvable but that's from the previous upload, the latest upload just isn't being processed15:02
Elleothen I tried creating https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=cdbs2&project=home%3Aelleo incase there was some issue with things previously listed as "unresolvable", but that never gets scheduled15:02
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lbtso where is ant and default-jdk coming from ?15:03
ElleoI've tried running 'osc rebuild' on each, without any real effect15:03
Elleolbt: they're not, I've modified the package to remove the need for them15:03
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Elleobut the latest upload (which doesn't depend on them) isn't being processed15:04
lbtok15:04
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Elleoand I've checked and can build the package locally without the need for ant/jdk15:04
Elleocdbs is just a bunch of debian rule files for making packaging easier, so having it available would making porting lots of other packages (which depend on cdbs) much simpler15:05
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lbt*nod*15:06
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lbtgoddam ... the scheduler is down15:09
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lbtElleo: I've restarted the scheduler... it takes a while to cycle round due to a bug in OBS (newer version being used in maemo for Harmattan than pub.meego.com)15:17
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lbtif it's not running in 10 mins ... ping me15:18
Elleolbt: okay, thanks a lot :)15:18
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Elleolbt: seems to be working perfectly now, thanks again15:53
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CosmoHillhmm, RAID 1 with 2 drives or RAID 5 with 3 drives for an extra £50ish15:58
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Elleolbt: might have spoken too soon there, one that has built isn't being delivered to the repo (https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=python-scour&project=home%3Aelleo) and one that depends on it claims to be building but isn't really (https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=cdbs&project=home%3Aelleo)16:50
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ysss@Cosmo: what's the content... if it's for media, go for raid-5...16:52
CosmoHillmixed, videos, computer backups, source files16:53
CosmoHillaparantly you can override RAID1 metadata with RAID5 metadata and it will rebuild the array16:54
lcukvgrade, ping, the joggler image on http://images.formeego.org/joggler/ do I just plug in usb and bootup?17:00
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vgradelcuk, sec while I check. its sometime since I did that17:01
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lcukvgrade, since there is a readme there, if it does require more things perhaps filling in the readme would be good17:02
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lbtElleo: *sigh* ... there are a lot of "not quite right" bits around... makes diagnosing this hard17:03
vgradeyes those are very old images indeed with early emgd drivers.17:03
lbtX-Fade isn't around this weekend and he's been managing the maemo OBS17:03
lbtI killed it and saw some rpc timeouts.... not sure what causes that17:04
lbtthe worker certainly isn't building17:04
Elleolbt: there's no real rush from my end, I'm happy enough waiting, just wanted to make sure you were aware of any issues17:04
vgradelcuk, still, you should be able to write the netbook image to flash and boot.  I suggest a usb hub so you can get a kb on as well as the flask key17:05
Elleodo packages not need to be published in repos for them to be picked up as valid dependencies for other builds?17:05
ysssCosmoHill: are you buildilng a new system (naslike) or will that be an addition to an already running system of yours?17:05
Elleoas the cdbs one started after the python-scour build finished despite it not having been sent to the repository17:05
lcukvgrade, ahh will just try and boot it up and see what it does17:05
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Elleo(although the cdbs one isn't actually doing anything)17:05
ysssif it's a standalone file server, bsd's zfs implementation is really fast..17:06
CosmoHillysss: it will be a new server running linux17:06
CosmoHillI'll probably use XFS like I do on my current server or JFS17:06
lbtElleo: no, publish happens when all packages are built. Intermediate results are available internally17:06
ysssi've had experience with slow creeping bitrot that I try to use zfs (with at least weekly scrubbing) for my important files now... it was due to bad hardware (cable/controller)17:08
Elleolbt: ah okay17:09
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CosmoHillI had a bad IDE cable that caused the drive to run a 33MB/s, I replaced and found the controller only supported 66MB/s17:12
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lbtElleo: building now17:24
Elleolbt: great, thanks :)17:24
lbtwhat's annoying is I don't know why.17:25
Elleoheh17:26
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ElleoI don't suppose it's something simple like one specific worker that never responds? So when things get scheduled to another worked they magically start working?17:27
Elleoworker*17:27
lbtno, it's not that17:27
lbtit's either connectivity to maemo or local http issues17:28
CosmoHillysss: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/pastebin/index.php?917:31
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ysssCosmoHill: do you have a separate boot drive? i haven't dabbled with manually setting up raid on linux lately, so i'm not sure how it's setup now; back when i tinkered with that, raid-1 is easier to recover when it also serve as the boot drive because either drives in the set can be used by itself.17:35
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ysssso that's one thing to consider/look into17:36
CosmoHillmy current server has the OS on a non-raid drive because the RAID was added later (alone with SATA), also it doesn't have an initramfs17:37
ysssah, i see it on your list now17:37
ysssfor me, between 2x2tb raid-1 vs 3x1tb raid-5 is a no brainer.. go for the raid-1. better protection, simpler, etc..17:39
CosmoHilloh damn, forgot the Gbe NIC17:41
ysssI'd get the raid-1 to store my important stuffs, then just get the extra 2TB standalone for my media. you live at a place with decent connection speed, right? so you can reget all the crap if it's ever lost.17:42
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CosmoHillit would be for backing up the family computers so as long as they don't die at the same time the server does17:43
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ysssare they all linux17:49
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CosmoHillnope, windows17:49
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yssshow will you back them up...17:53
CosmoHillwindows backup over samba17:53
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yssscan't help you there17:58
CosmoHilldon't worry, it's something I do already17:58
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ysssand a glass of milk please17:59
* CosmoHill magics one up17:59
ysssyou're a gentleman, a scholar and apparently a magician too17:59
CosmoHillthat reminds me, I need to write documentation >.<18:00
yssswell you need a wizard for that18:03
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ysssbut seriously, for digital family assets (photos especially) do consider zfs.. it's the worst feeling when you think you have things backed up and protected, but a jpg shows up corrupted when you need it down the road.18:06
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lcukbah LAMP stack installed, tinkering with it on localhost but php is rusty18:54
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CosmoHillCars is on BBC1 in a moment18:59
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DrHalanhey guys. how am i able to get hands on the n950?19:17
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javispedroviolence against a current n950 owner.19:21
DrHalansounds like an option.19:23
DrHalanits just my n900s screen just broke :/ don't know if i should put any more money in that device19:23
DrHalanthe usb-port already cam off and I need to use an external charger which is kinda annoying19:24
Alison_ChaikenDrHalan, I'd consider a new N900.19:24
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DrHalanAlison_Chaiken: the hardware of the n900 is a little outdated to buy a new device don't you think?19:25
javispedroas is the n950's...19:25
CosmoHillDrHalan: the last person who sent his N900 for repairs ended up with a N819:25
DrHalanreally? Thought the n950 had the hardware of the n919:26
Alison_ChaikenDrHalan, the hardware of the N950 and N900 differ primarily in the touchscreen as far as I can make out.19:26
sheepbatone has an omap 343019:27
DrHalanmh that sucks :/19:27
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Alison_ChaikenStskeeps and co-conspirators will prolly have MeeGo DE working on N900 first, which matters to me.19:27
sheepbatthe other has an omap 363019:27
DrHalanbut the hardware of the n9 is better?19:27
Alison_ChaikenBoth have SGX530 GPU.19:27
Alison_ChaikenDrHalan, N9 has same processor, much better touchscreen and beautiful industrial design.19:27
sheepbatand no keyboard19:28
javispedrosame touchscreen, but different screen19:28
javispedrothe one on the n950 is a 854x480 tft lcd19:28
Alison_ChaikenYeah, the N950 is the one I'd want, but my options tend toward the expensive or violent too!   But I have plenty of other toys to play with . . .19:29
javispedrobut the n9 has a 650*400something amoled19:29
Elleothe n950 (and n9) are both 1.2Ghz as opposed to the 600Mhz in the n90019:29
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javispedrothey are 1Ghz.19:29
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Elleooh is it 1ghz?19:30
sheepbat..the n9 has a different resolution screen?19:30
javispedroyes, it has pentile rgbg19:31
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DrHalanwell 600 to 1000 mhz is a big difference19:32
DrHalani mean the n900 is pretty limited. I can't even run firefox on it properly19:32
Elleoeverything I can see lists the n9 as being 854x48019:32
Elleoalbeit amoled instead of tft19:33
Elleowould be pretty strange for nokia to send out n950s with 854x480 screens and not mention that all our applications will actually need to work with 600x400 or similar19:33
javispedroElleo: they mention it19:34
Elleojavispedro: where?19:35
javispedrosdk release notes19:35
javispedro"developers should avoid one pixel with fonts and graphical objects with lines one pixel wide"19:36
Elleothat doesn't indicate a different resolution though19:37
Elleodo you mean there's an effective resolution of 854x480 scalled down to a 650x400 display?19:38
javispedroexactly.19:38
Elleoah right, that's not an issue then19:38
ElleoI was worried about the actual effective resolution being different (so suddenly parts of my application are off screen, etc.)19:38
Elleo"Also avoid19:39
Elleothe extensive use of bright colors, especially white, when developing19:39
Elleofor OLED displays as this increases the power consumption (typical19:39
Elleofor OLED displays)."19:39
Elleooops, that was supposed to be a single line, sorry19:39
Elleo^ seems a bit silly that the default theme for the qml components is all white in that case though19:40
javispedrowell there's the inverted theme hwich is probably a css one-liner19:40
Elleoyeah, but they should really make it the default if that's the prefered guideline19:41
berndhsyeah the funeral parlor theme is much better19:41
Elleosince I'll have to modify the colours of the various images in my application to match that now19:41
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DrHalanis there maybe an andorid device that meego runs on unoffically?20:27
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ElleoDrHalan: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=241420:31
Elleonexus s has some stuff working it seems: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Hummingbird but not really usable yet20:32
ElleoDrHalan: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD <-- seems a bit more promising20:33
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DrHalanthanks20:36
DrHalanwhat about aava devices. can i purchase them?20:37
CosmoHilldidn't aava go pop?20:37
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CosmoHillaparantly not20:39
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Elleoseif: python-telepathy is now all packaged up for harmattan and in my repo20:39
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Elleorzr: I noticed you had a cdbs package that wasn't building in your repo, I've made a version that'll work against harmattan without needing to pull in lots of java stuff if you want to clone a copy: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=cdbs&project=home%3Aelleo20:40
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berndhswhen are they coming ?21:59
CosmoHillsoon22:00
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* CosmoHill sits there with two chopsticks hanging out his mouth like thangs 22:01
Bostikfangs?22:01
CosmoHillyes, that22:01
Bostikthat'd be a sight22:01
CosmoHillI'd take a picture but I had pictures of myself, and I have a beard22:02
berndhswas watching Shanghai Noon just the other day22:02
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berndhsXander Berkeley does a really convincing Lee Van Cleef in that one22:05
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hexlotarDoes MeeGo have UVC driver(for camera)22:22
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dm8tbrhexlotar: depends on the adaptation if it's compiled22:26
antman8969hey lbt, are you afk?22:26
antman8969or anyone actually... does anyone know if the harmattan OBS target is supposed to be functional right now?22:27
dm8tbrthere have been some hickups recently22:28
antman8969I've added the repo but It doesn't appear as an option to build against22:28
antman8969have you used it recently?22:28
dm8tbrhaven't used it yet22:29
antman8969lame22:30
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antman8969actuallyl it's the same problem as with Ubuntu 10.10 as a target... just doesn't appear for me to build against after i add it22:30
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lbtantman8969: I was23:05
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