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| vgrade | lcuk, \o, I'm looking at setOverrideCursor | 00:04 |
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| lcuk | good stuff | 00:05 |
| * lcuk just looking at calendar | 00:05 | |
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| berndhs | vgrade: look at /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch, see if it has xopts=-nocursor | 00:22 |
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| timeless | grr, getting behind on kernel imports sucks | 00:33 |
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| * timeless grumbles | 01:24 | |
| timeless | lbt: ping | 01:25 |
| timeless | the proxy for mxr is dead | 01:25 |
| lbt | pong | 01:25 |
| lbt | yeah... we're doing maintenance | 01:25 |
| lbt | what proxy? | 01:25 |
| lbt | ssh? | 01:25 |
| timeless | outbound http | 01:25 |
| timeless | dns failed | 01:25 |
| lainwir3d | poor him :-( | 01:26 |
| timeless | on the proxy | 01:26 |
| lbt | are you ssh'ed in ? | 01:26 |
| timeless | lainwir3d: poor me | 01:26 |
| timeless | lbt: yeah | 01:26 |
| lbt | ok .. sec | 01:26 |
| timeless | i'm trying to get the update script to be more useful | 01:26 |
| lbt | :) | 01:26 |
| timeless | which means coaxing it past the fact that it's really very very far behind | 01:26 |
| * lbt would like a simple operator's guide with useful debug/diagnostic/logs etc | 01:26 | |
| lbt | 'look here, then here, this should be running, do this, check that happened' | 01:27 |
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| timeless | yeah, i think i need to write a cron which proves to itself that its world is happy | 01:27 |
| timeless | and when it fails, it complains in detail about what went wrong | 01:27 |
| timeless | what's really bad is that there's a long running import which should take about 12-16hours for the n900 kernel | 01:29 |
| timeless | and it's stuck spinning while presumably the world is dead | 01:29 |
| timeless | actually, no | 01:29 |
| timeless | that's fine, because it already did its http traffic, it's just doing local processing :) | 01:30 |
| lbt | OK | 01:30 |
| lbt | there may be an internal proxy issue... looking into it | 01:30 |
| timeless | but that still leaves me w/ the other stuff that wants to continue.. | 01:30 |
| timeless | also, from memory the proxy env for my ssh user and my cron user wasn't guaranteed to be the same | 01:30 |
| timeless | it'd be good if someone could ensure some level of consistency there.. | 01:30 |
| * timeless doesn't remember how any of that magic works | 01:31 | |
| timeless | there's a /etc/environment which i think i'm hoping is responsible for sanity | 01:32 |
| timeless | (should probably document that in case anyone is annoying enough to try to change the proxy host name (or related network topology) in the future) | 01:32 |
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| berndhs | repo.pub.meego.com still in maintenance ? | 01:51 |
| timeless | *.meego seems to be doing interesting stuff.. | 01:51 |
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| timeless | lbt: are there any other exit points? :) | 02:04 |
| lbt | it's a dns issue ... we're working on it | 02:05 |
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| lbt | timeless: fixed | 02:22 |
| timeless | yay! | 02:23 |
| timeless | ok, | 02:23 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:46 |
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| lbt | timeless: pin | 03:08 |
| lbt | g | 03:08 |
| timeless | pong | 03:09 |
| lbt | did you just start mxr doing massive NW traffic ? | 03:09 |
| timeless | more or less | 03:09 |
| timeless | if you mean just now | 03:09 |
| lbt | grumble ... ssh seems to be almost dead | 03:10 |
| lbt | I suspect that's why | 03:10 |
| timeless | top is working :) | 03:10 |
| lbt | yeah, can you suspend it for a while | 03:10 |
| timeless | it's supposed to do massive traffic in bursts between that and local data crunching | 03:10 |
| timeless | yeah | 03:10 |
| timeless | suspended | 03:10 |
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| timeless | note that there are still two processes doing local cpu load | 03:11 |
| lbt | obs is still down and we're still working on it ... long session ... early hours of the am ... laggy ssh isn't fun :) | 03:11 |
| timeless | ideally | 03:11 |
| timeless | ok | 03:11 |
| timeless | is it better? | 03:11 |
| timeless | 3141 timeless 20 0 930m 880m 44m R 99 5.4 167:09.92 hg | 03:11 |
| timeless | that's the primary process atm... | 03:11 |
| timeless | (should be purely local work) | 03:12 |
| timeless | that has around 23hours of work (current estimate) | 03:12 |
| timeless | ..pending | 03:12 |
| timeless | which is why i want other tasks to run, i really don't want them to wait for it to finish :) | 03:12 |
| lbt | much | 03:12 |
| timeless | ok | 03:13 |
| timeless | oh, ouch | 03:13 |
| timeless | total used free shared buffers cached | 03:14 |
| timeless | Mem: 16734036 16647136 86900 0 996132 12482224 | 03:14 |
| timeless | e-not-enough-ram-trying-to-swap-to-death | 03:14 |
| timeless | -/+ buffers/cache: 3168780 13565256 | 03:14 |
| lbt | e-badly-designed-code-needs-16Gb-RAM | 03:14 |
| timeless | Swap: 4194296 0 4194296 | 03:14 |
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| timeless | top says it's using <1gb of ram | 03:15 |
| * timeless wonders where the rest of the memory is (cache/buffers?) | 03:15 | |
| lbt | is it still paused? | 03:16 |
| lbt | I really need ssh working properly | 03:16 |
| lbt | better | 03:17 |
| timeless | which? | 03:18 |
| lbt | I'm having real problems with ssh being laggy | 03:18 |
| timeless | the only thing i see on mxr that's doing work is the local hg which is just crunching | 03:18 |
| timeless | but yeah, it feels laggy here too | 03:19 |
| lbt | OK - maybe something else | 03:19 |
| timeless | yeah, i don't think it's my fault, the bursts i was doing for git should generally be tiny | 03:19 |
| lbt | OK ... np then | 03:19 |
| timeless | can i resume my minor git's? :) | 03:19 |
| lbt | I'll install some bmon/iptop at some point | 03:20 |
| lbt | tiny ones ... | 03:20 |
| timeless | 44 objects | 03:20 |
| timeless | most of the repos are tiny and the requests/responses are tiny | 03:20 |
| timeless | it probably spends 50-1000x more time doing local work than network i/o | 03:21 |
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| timeless | lbt: so, i'm down to 3 annoying repositories :) | 04:26 |
| lbt | ok .. well OBS is up | 04:26 |
| lbt | so .... | 04:26 |
| timeless | sleepy time? | 04:26 |
| timeless | i'll be on paris time on tuesday | 04:26 |
| lbt | oh yeah ...... 2:26am here | 04:26 |
| lbt | that's closer :) | 04:27 |
| timeless | yeah, my body will think it's then when i arrive @8:30am | 04:27 |
| lbt | I'm annoyed 'cos I locked myself out of a physical host :( | 04:27 |
| lbt | but anyhow... mxr | 04:27 |
| timeless | ouch, how? | 04:27 |
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| lbt | iptables | 04:28 |
| timeless | so... i should be able to let those two or three finish | 04:28 |
| timeless | probably by thursday | 04:28 |
| lbt | yes ... leaving them churning is fine | 04:28 |
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| lbt | FYI you have 4 cpus | 04:29 |
| lbt | so running 2-3 in parallel is OK | 04:29 |
| lbt | bed then o/ | 04:32 |
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| timeless | it doesn't seem to work.. wonder why | 04:40 |
| berndhs | timeless: i'm seeing missing packages doing an image build, something looks fishy here too | 04:44 |
| timeless | agg, looks like my other repo was suffering from dns | 04:46 |
| * timeless kicks it | 04:46 | |
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| timeless | much better | 04:48 |
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| Termana | morning | 04:55 |
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| timeless | berndhs: in theory your services were fixed, if not, i'd file a bug and wait 8hrs | 05:04 |
| timeless | the workers needed sleep | 05:04 |
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| berndhs | i'll look at it in the morning | 05:05 |
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| berndhs | i think download.meego.com/ changed their directory structure in the last few days, so week old soemthing.ks files don't necessarily work any more | 05:12 |
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| timeless | yay, estimates. 4 hours, 14 hours, and 28 hours | 06:01 |
| timeless | the first two estimates seem headed in the right direction, the last one is more questionable | 06:01 |
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| TSCHAKeee | if download.meego,com keeps changing their damned directory structures around | 06:23 |
| TSCHAKeee | how in the #@(($@# am I supposed to keep kickstart files around so that I can keep building my images | 06:23 |
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| TSCHAKeee | I have other projects I have to deal with too! | 06:23 |
| TSCHAKeee | seriously. | 06:23 |
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| pethams | where do i download 1.2.0.1 release update? | 08:03 |
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| antman8969 | has anyone had any luck with the obs ? | 08:04 |
| pethams | anyone know how to get 1.2.01 update ? | 08:05 |
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| dm8tbr | pethams: I don't think there is such a thing | 08:09 |
| pethams | well what does this say then...https://meego.com/downloads/releases/updates/meego-v1.2.0.1-core-update | 08:11 |
| dm8tbr | interesting | 08:13 |
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| Stskeeps | repo.meego.com probably | 08:13 |
| dm8tbr | neither have it | 08:14 |
| dm8tbr | I just checked | 08:14 |
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| Stskeeps | heh | 08:14 |
| * dm8tbr checked repo.meego.com too | 08:14 | |
| Stskeeps | while confusing, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/updates/1.2.0/ is porlly the one | 08:14 |
| dm8tbr | I suspect it's an RPM only update | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | not entirely sure why they released IA only though | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | but probably because we didn't QA for arm | 08:16 |
| dm8tbr | <intel> who cares about ARM anyway!?</intel> | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | build.meego.com not answering, well, that's a good start on the monday.. | 08:17 |
| dm8tbr | that might explain the missing CE images | 08:17 |
| dm8tbr | someone asked earlier | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | nah, that's due to COBS maintaining running late | 08:18 |
| dm8tbr | I wonder what's the story behind not providing new images with 1.2.0.1 | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | i think the meego-vendor interface in that regard isn't terribly defined | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | this is going to be a rough day, can already feel my allergy killing me | 08:20 |
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| dm8tbr | somewhere on my todo list is 'understand meego' structure, but I guess then my nickname of Don Quixote de la MeeGo is really sealed... | 08:20 |
| dm8tbr | my alergy is surpsisingly low profile this year. started 1-2months late and had to pop only one zyrtec so far | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | i'm spending some time cleaning up meego categories to make the architecture more understandable (some edges missing), but http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/meegobase.png really helps matters | 08:21 |
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| Stskeeps | that should help in future to make meego more streamlined | 08:22 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, saw that | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | as i think we're a bit overboard with 1200 pkgs | 08:22 |
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| Stskeeps | btw, what NFC stack did you use on your tieto demo? | 08:28 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: Lua in build-essential? really? | 08:30 |
| slonopotamus | err, in "base essentials" | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: rpm uses it, i think | 08:31 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: also, you have a cycle between base essentials and system libraries | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: there's a cycle in the bare essentials yeah, but as i said, edges arent correct | 08:34 |
| jonwil | hi stskeeps | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | lo jonwil | 08:41 |
| jonwil | don't forget you were going to respond to my mailing list posting :P | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | don't worry, it's in my tickler folder | 08:42 |
| jonwil | great :) | 08:43 |
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| Stskeeps | just not very awake yet | 08:45 |
| jonwil | :) | 08:45 |
| jonwil | bear in mind they are just ideas from an outsider who has no idea of the political/legal/technical situation inside Nokia and in the MeeGo team | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | i know, i was once in that position myself and sometimes i was quite accurate :P | 08:46 |
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| jonwil | so yeah even if we cant get the info needed to advance the now-dead Maemo Fremantle, at least we can ensure long-term continuation of the N900 with alternative operating systems | 08:50 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: neither Qt nor MeeGo as both was not ready at that time | 08:52 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: if MeeGo is interested I can ask the people involved if they can/want to contribute something | 08:53 |
| * slonopotamus yawns | 08:54 | |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: ok | 08:55 |
| Termana | jonwil, why bother with getting preinit relicensed when you've got uboot and therefore don't need bootmenu/multiboot and therefore don't need preinit? | 08:56 |
| jonwil | oh ok, I wasnt aware of the uboot situation | 08:56 |
| jonwil | I just remembered someone saying they needed preinit for alt os's | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | it's really mostly stuff that exists in some form somewhere else | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | difficult to copyright shell scripts | 08:57 |
| Termana | Oh, well yeah. Doesn't seem necessary with uboot anyway. | 08:57 |
| Termana | AFAIK NITdroid is still using preinit (?), but they are just crazy and need to stop. | 08:57 |
| jonwil | yeah NITdroid needs to move to a safe sane uboot setup | 08:58 |
| jonwil | that way there wont be so many issues with people who install NITdroid and ruin their phones in the process | 08:58 |
| jonwil | does the backupmenu stuff rely on preinit? | 09:00 |
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| Termana | jonwil, I think so | 09:05 |
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| jonwil | ok | 09:05 |
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| Myrtti | *yawn* | 09:49 |
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| arfoll | is public OBS still down? it looks like none of the workers want to work :-( | 10:19 |
| X-Fade | arfoll: Yeah, looking at it. | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | meego.com obs is | 10:19 |
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| Stskeeps | at least blocking | 10:19 |
| arfoll | X-Fade, thank you | 10:20 |
| arfoll | yeah i noticed meego.com obs is down too, this not a good day for OBS! | 10:20 |
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| javier | moin | 10:38 |
| javier | I'm getting remote error: remote error connect to api.meego.com 443 No route to host | 10:39 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, it's down i think | 10:39 |
| arfoll | javier, OBS is MIA | 10:40 |
| iekku | hello | 10:40 |
| javier | I see | 10:41 |
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| Venemo | very good news: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=23084&postcount=14 -> "There is no optification needed in MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan." | 10:51 |
| aparna_ | any idea on when is the last date for device program - http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Intel | 10:51 |
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| Venemo | aparna_, I don't see any date in there | 10:54 |
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| arfoll | Venemo, Intel have been giving out lots of exopc with the appup conferences. I don't know if that program is still on | 10:57 |
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| Venemo | arfoll, it says "active", and I think it is still on | 10:58 |
| arfoll | uhm does look like you can just apply. nice. | 11:00 |
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| vgrade | aparna_, Dawn mentions at the last community meeting (last week) that they were goign to start looking at the applications now | 11:14 |
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| javier | any ETA regarding api.meego.com? | 12:04 |
| lbt | we're trying to find awake people | 12:04 |
| lbt | sadly Niels and I aren't trusted so nothing we can do ;) | 12:04 |
| Myrtti | :-P | 12:05 |
| lbt | I think it's what is screwing up the c.obs too | 12:05 |
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| Venemo | you aren't trusted? | 12:08 |
| Venemo | then who is trusted? | 12:08 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: ah, all eggs in one timezone? | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | shouldn't be | 12:08 |
| * dm8tbr declares OBS b0rken until USofA wakes up | 12:09 | |
| ali1234 | this is exactly why i do not trust OBS | 12:11 |
| ali1234 | just thought i would point that out | 12:11 |
| dm8tbr | That's why I have snapshots on my internal OBS | 12:12 |
| lbt | ali1234: another spot-on observation .... not | 12:13 |
| arfoll | lbt, can we file a bug to trust you and neils on meego.com OBS? | 12:13 |
| javier | +1 | 12:14 |
| * jonwil wonders if anyone has any comments on his ideas post to the meego-handset mailing list | 12:15 | |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: i do, but OBS being down makes me unable to answer accurately | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: so patience :) | 12:16 |
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| jonwil | what do you need obs for? :P | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: checking some things and sources i don't have locally | 12:16 |
| jonwil | oh ok | 12:17 |
| jonwil | so you mean the internal Nokia obs for the closed-bins and not the public obs with the binaries only. Got ya :) | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | public obs i need to look at some things too :P | 12:17 |
| * jonwil mirrored all the " | 12:17 | |
| jonwil | "source" files for the closed-bins from the public obs | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:18 |
| jonwil | :) | 12:18 |
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| jonwil | mostly so I could play with them and see what libs they linked to etc | 12:18 |
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| jonwil | I suspect the answers to half my ideas are going to be "from a technical POV, that seems ok, we need to bump it to the legal guys though" :P | 12:20 |
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| kg0wr | ey | 12:34 |
| kg0wr | how does this trash " meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img " work in virtual machine vmplayer ? | 12:35 |
| kg0wr | its not ISO | 12:35 |
| kg0wr | vmplayer wants iso | 12:35 |
| Iso | . | 12:35 |
| Iso | kg0wr, img & iso are the same shit, just rename the file. | 12:35 |
| kg0wr | u ugkly nic | 12:35 |
| Iso | Thanks. | 12:36 |
| kg0wr | ok | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | kg0wr: please behave or leave | 12:36 |
| kg0wr | "could not detect which os | 12:36 |
| kg0wr | now wat ?? | 12:36 |
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| kg0wr | freebsd ? | 12:37 |
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| Iso | kg0wr, what about another vm manager software ? | 12:37 |
| kg0wr | other -> other | 12:37 |
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| kg0wr | already this one has got 10 processes running in taskmgr and 3 virtual LANs nad lot o vhd and trash folders everywhere | 12:38 |
| kg0wr | dont want another | 12:38 |
| kg0wr | meego is touch screen OS fr phones and netbook ? | 12:39 |
| timoph | meego.com/about | 12:39 |
| kg0wr | i dont want to read . | 12:39 |
| kg0wr | i want to directly run in vmplayer and see | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | you have to read to understand | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | and meego doesn't work in vmplayer as it uses 3d extensively | 12:40 |
| timoph | don't expect to be spoon fed all the info | 12:40 |
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| kg0wr | The MeeGo project provides a Linux-based, open source software platform for the next generation of computing devices | 12:41 |
| kg0wr | eww linux | 12:41 |
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| kg0wr | i thought ' 3d extensively' future GUI windows like os | 12:41 |
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| kg0wr | android | 12:41 |
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| ali1234 | heh. that could be the new marketing move in mobile phones | 12:42 |
| ali1234 | don't ship the handset. just write articles about how great it is going to be forever | 12:43 |
| kg0wr | after selecting 'linux os' in vmplayer theres 20 options but no 'meego | 12:43 |
| timoph | .. | 12:43 |
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| timoph | ali1234: meego.com still doesn't do devices... | 12:43 |
| lcuk | morning \o | 12:43 |
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| timoph | ..or ever will | 12:43 |
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| lbt | ok .. so it's still rpc timeout | 12:49 |
| lbt | I guess it needs a restart | 12:49 |
| lbt | oops | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | some people say no route to host | 12:50 |
| javier | yes, still rpc timeout here | 12:50 |
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| lbt | FYI the scheduler has a multi-second timeout when it checks b.m.c ... and it does that for each project that has a remote link ... for each arch | 12:51 |
| lbt | so the loop iteration isn't short | 12:51 |
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| lbt | no route to host .. would be interested in that | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | ah, no route to host for me | 12:52 |
| lbt | OK | 12:52 |
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| javier | remote error connect to api.meego.com 443 Connection refused | 12:55 |
| X-Fade | yeah, that is expected behavior. | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | sure? https is normally used | 12:56 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: We put it to 127.0.0.1 on community obs, so the scheduler doesn't block on it. | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:57 |
| X-Fade | As it is now being a honey pot :) | 12:57 |
| lbt | so ... that looks like it may be working | 12:58 |
| lbt | we clearly need a 'remote obs link is down ... bypass it' | 12:58 |
| jonwil | so any luck finding out why obs is down yet? | 13:02 |
| jonwil | or are you waiting for people with the needed permissions to fix it? | 13:03 |
| X-Fade | No, it doesn't seem to update at all. | 13:04 |
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| lbt | jonwil: we're waiting.... just like any 'meego customers' would be. Out in the cold ... nice feeling eh? Aren't you glad you don't have a team of expensive coders sitting idle? | 13:07 |
| jonwil | :) | 13:07 |
| * lbt is not impressed by how 'meego.com' treats it's "customers" | 13:07 | |
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| timoph | aka facapalm marketing | 13:09 |
| timoph | s/facapalm/facepalm/ | 13:09 |
| infobot | timoph meant: aka facepalm marketing | 13:09 |
| timoph | but seriously are all obs maintainers in US? | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | no | 13:10 |
| timoph | good | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | but if it's a physical error then it might be problematic | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | no, Anaz should be in europe afaik? | 13:10 |
| timoph | ah. so we need someone to wake up in oregon | 13:11 |
| lbt | hmmm anaZ is online here... | 13:11 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: meego it needs a dashboard. first thing on the top: "Is OBS down again" | 13:22 |
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| lcuk | dm8tbr, irc is the dashboard | 13:24 |
| lcuk | araujo, bug 18619 | 13:26 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18619 maj, High, ---, x2rich, NEW, Virtual Keyboard does not appear for GTK+ apps (meegotouch-inputmethodbridges) | 13:26 |
| lcuk | is that for netbook also | 13:26 |
| lcuk | since gedit and stuff are installed by default there | 13:27 |
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| aparna_ | thanks venemo and vgrade | 13:38 |
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| lcuk | so bug 13084 occurs on the n900-ce as well as also on the n950 harmattan | 14:10 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, carsten, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink | 14:11 |
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| * lcuk dds todays n900-ce and wonders how to make mcompositor and friends work like n950 | 14:55 | |
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| lcuk | timoph, my n900 has one! | 14:56 |
| timoph | :) | 14:56 |
| lcuk | and timoph finding somebody as comfortable with real xorg compositing should make a simple upgrade practical | 14:57 |
| lcuk | even if it was as simple as swipe left/right to do alt-tab | 14:57 |
| lcuk | I have prototyped it in liqbase and want to do it in netbook and handset | 14:57 |
| timoph | ah | 14:58 |
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| timoph | I just wasted 30 minutes in n9seconds :/ | 14:58 |
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| lcuk | timoph, :( | 14:59 |
| timoph | clever campaign I have to admit | 15:00 |
| lcuk | yes | 15:00 |
| lcuk | it is well done | 15:00 |
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| lcuk | lbt is it possible to clean a project from my workspace, I named it incorrectly and think it will be easier to make a new one | 15:22 |
| lbt | yep... 'delete' | 15:22 |
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| lbt | see the 'Actions' dropdown? | 15:23 |
| lcuk | but since t/me looks | 15:23 |
| lbt | or you can use the commandline 'rdelete' from osc too | 15:23 |
| lcuk | ok cool, thanks didn't see it when I looked first time | 15:24 |
| lbt | easy to miss - the ui is learnt :) | 15:24 |
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| * lcuk pops out the learning curve picture :P | 15:24 | |
| javier | I have just commited one change and the obs webui and says it was commited 5 hours ago. Timezone confusion? | 15:26 |
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| lcuk | javier, flux capacitor component | 15:27 |
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| ensonic_ | hi, this is probably a FAQ, but I can't find anything on the web, is it normal that I don't get a upgrade (1.1->1.2) offered on my netbook, any ideas how to upgrade it? | 15:40 |
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| arfoll | build.meego.com looks back up :-) | 16:00 |
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| arfoll | c.obs was up and now :-( | 16:08 |
| ensonic_ | are people really reinstalling things twice a year? is there no upgrade path | 16:08 |
| arfoll | ensonic_, unfortunately yes. theres a bug somewhere about it | 16:09 |
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| ensonic_ | arfoll, I will search for the bug | 16:11 |
| ensonic_ | would be good to point that out with the release notes, even though it is extremly embarrasing | 16:11 |
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| djszapi | c-obs: authentication failed. Is it expected ? | 16:15 |
| djszapi | (while trying to log in) | 16:16 |
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| lcuk | djszapi, login not working apparantly, i think the weekend maint has been extended a bit ;) | 16:17 |
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| djszapi | lcuk: it worked properly today. It stopped working few minutes ago. | 16:18 |
| javier | djszapi: same issue here | 16:18 |
| arfoll | djszapi, experiencing the same pain, my build was nearly finished too | 16:18 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, lbt expected? | 16:18 |
| lbt | frontend only | 16:19 |
| lbt | we're taking advantage of core obs being down to do some more c.obs updates which we didn't have time for | 16:19 |
| lbt | should be short outages only as we reboot VMs | 16:19 |
| javier | i'm getting 401 while using osc | 16:20 |
| djszapi | javier: yes that is the relevant http error code for this issue | 16:20 |
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| lcuk | has anybody booted up the n900-ce today? | 16:35 |
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| ensonic_ | arfoll, bug updated and mail sent, wonder what's the reason for the missing upgrade path | 16:39 |
| ensonic_ | has anyone tried to just change the repo urls and run a dist-upgrade? | 16:39 |
| lcuk | ensonic_, which bug? | 16:40 |
| ensonic_ | lcuk, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9205 | 16:41 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 9205 enh, High, 1.1.0, anas.nashif, NEW, Cannot Update from 1.0 to 1.1, from 1.1 to 1.2 | 16:41 |
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| lcuk | ensonic_, hm | 16:44 |
| ensonic_ | lcuk, yes? | 16:44 |
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| lbt | ensonic_: AFAIU it's simply not a MeeGo feature. It is more likely to be one in the future when versions are less radically different | 16:48 |
| timeless_xchat | lbt: so, mxr's web ui claims it just finished updating all three. i'm incredibly skeptical, but... | 16:48 |
| lbt | :) | 16:48 |
| timeless_xchat | also, i don't think i took my ssh keys w/ me, so i can't check until next monday | 16:48 |
| lbt | meego.com hasn't been doing much today | 16:49 |
| timeless_xchat | but i do get better cron mails now | 16:49 |
| timeless_xchat | it tells me when the overly long running process started | 16:49 |
| timeless_xchat | - i initially assumed i'd never need to know, but... | 16:49 |
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| rafael2k | people, can meego ce be updated just like debian with something like "apt-get upgrade", in a way that if I install meego in my N900, I'll keep updating it just giving a "zypper upgrade"? | 16:51 |
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| lcuk | ensonic_, i tried the update route on n900-ce a few weeks ago with same sorts of complexity | 16:52 |
| lcuk | updating from one daily to another | 16:52 |
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| lcuk | it is certainly a non-trivial thing to consider updating | 16:53 |
| lcuk | but should exist | 16:53 |
| ensonic_ | lbt, how can it be not a distro feature, I think its only excusable in the really early phase | 16:53 |
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| * lbt decides not to get into "MeeGo is not a distro" discussion :) | 16:54 | |
| * ensonic_ is fine with that | 16:54 | |
| lbt | but that's the answer IMHO | 16:54 |
| lbt | we (the hackers) should create a distro on top of meego and make that upgradeable | 16:55 |
| lcuk | MeeGo-CE :D | 16:55 |
| lbt | why yes lcuk ... I would start with contributing to CE :) | 16:55 |
| javier | obs is up? | 16:55 |
| lcuk | usable on netbooks, n900s n950s and everything in between! | 16:55 |
| ensonic_ | but it simple does not make any sense to have a computer and not be able to upgrade it, given the fact that there won't be security fixes in the long-run | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | javier: yes finally | 16:55 |
| lcuk | lbt, I do as much as I can :$ | 16:55 |
| javier | excellent :) | 16:55 |
| * lcuk is not very good at the complex stuff | 16:56 | |
| ensonic_ | i'll probably try a manual upgrade | 16:56 |
| lbt | wooo | 16:56 |
| lcuk | but I try to pull things together where possible | 16:56 |
| lbt | ensonic_: why don't you devise a system where you flash a device to 1.2 and then each time a daily is released, try to do an upgrade | 16:56 |
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| ensonic_ | lbt, the repo-urls don't change for those? | 17:08 |
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| arfoll | there are still probelsm with the arm scheduler? | 17:17 |
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| lcuk | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/07/18/asda_offloads_affordable_fondleslab/ | 17:31 |
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| FreshWater | http://www.facebook.com/Give.Chat.Back | 17:44 |
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| lcuk | what battery life do the exopc ish devices get? | 18:17 |
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| lcuk | http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/07/15/text-rendering-in-the-qml-scene-graph | 18:30 |
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| lcuk | this looks like an awesome simple way to render text | 18:30 |
| lcuk | bravo to the team :D | 18:30 |
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| pebcak | hab heut vincent und robin im bowling geschlagen ;) | 18:46 |
| pebcak | ups | 18:46 |
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| alnikolov | lbt: ping | 18:52 |
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| eg81 | 2\ | 18:53 |
| lbt | alnikolov: pong | 18:54 |
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| alnikolov | lbt: hi. can you reset my (anikolov) password in the obs? | 18:55 |
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| lbt | no :) | 18:55 |
| lbt | it's your meego.com passwd - use that reset | 18:56 |
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| Stskeeps | build.meego.com or build.pub.meego.com | 18:57 |
| alnikolov | lbt: i see. tnx | 18:57 |
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| TSCHAKeee | does the N950 have skype? | 18:58 |
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| rafael2k | considering skype protocol has beeing reverse engineered, it's just a matter of writting the software for it | 19:05 |
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| TSCHAKeee | rafael2k: Nokia licensed it for their n900, was just a simple question. | 19:06 |
| rafael2k | TSCHAKeee: true | 19:06 |
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| rafael2k | btw, http://developer.skype.com/public/skypekit is here | 19:20 |
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| lcuk | [MeeGo-dev] The road from bugs to patches to integration http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-July/483840.html | 19:29 |
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| andyross | lcuk: could be that calculator just doesn't have anyone actively working on it. If you have a build.meego.com account you can SR the fix, that's generally pretty visible. But generally yeah: fixes to low-priority maintenance-mode stuff seem to move most smoothly if you yell loudly in public :) | 19:52 |
| lcuk | andyross, "you can SR the fix" | 19:53 |
| lcuk | that specific thing is not documented | 19:53 |
| timoph | it afaik | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | SRing? sure it is | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | or have someone help upload a fix | 19:54 |
| lcuk | ie, given someone with c-obs, how to follow it and get the latest code | 19:54 |
| lcuk | and make changes to SR back | 19:54 |
| timoph | but the process requires the patch to be sent upstream as well | 19:54 |
| lcuk | well the bug requires a single line fix bug 20099 | 19:54 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20099 nor, High, ---, marko.saukko, NEW, [CE] Calculator crashes after pressing any button and then "." . | 19:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | my rating of the N950: _AWESOME_ :D :) | 19:54 |
| lcuk | the fix is outlined in comments | 19:54 |
| lcuk | i even found the patch that caused it | 19:55 |
| timoph | :) | 19:55 |
| lcuk | however I haven't got a clue how to actually submit it ack | 19:55 |
| lcuk | back | 19:55 |
| timoph | so it's regression | 19:55 |
| lcuk | yeah | 19:55 |
| * timoph food | 19:55 | |
| lcuk | i felt so empowered by QML for the first time! | 19:55 |
| leinir | QML's pretty nifty stuff :) | 19:56 |
| andyross | Ah, it's N900-speciifc? Yeah, that's unlikely to get the attention of the paid staff, unfortunately. Does comment #7 imply that the issue is already fixed in MeeGo:1.2:oss and/or Trunk? | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | n900 specific? really? | 19:57 |
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| * andyross is just skimming the bug, no idea | 19:57 | |
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| Stskeeps | shouldn't be, qml should be interpreted similarly, :) , but if it's a n900 specific problem then yes, it goes down to hardware adaptation | 19:58 |
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| andyross | comment 7 seems to imply that the QML code has diverged somehow, not that it's a C++ bug. I think. | 20:00 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: grab 1.2.0.80's meego-app-calculator rpm and see if it differs in behaviour | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | and source | 20:02 |
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| testkik | Greetings! | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | greetings | 20:04 |
| testkik | Am a newbie to Linux (Gentoo); where can I go to find out how Meego relates to a Linux kernel; e.g. does it replace X? | 20:04 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, "grab" is a complex term for obs newbies | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: repo.meego.com and who said anything about obs | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | testkik: meego's a linux distribution, a bunch of software uses the linux kernel | 20:06 |
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| djszapi_ | X-Fade lbt: ping, Could you tell me a bit more about the RPC timeouts appearing on the Harmattan target of the c-obs with innocent packages ? We have really no clue how it can happen with one package, but not with others. There is no log available in those cases, thus it is really hard to detect what is up. | 20:13 |
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| vgrade | any tablet-ux guys around? | 20:24 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, reproduced on http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.8.20110713.4/repos/oss/armv7hl/packages/armv7hl/meego-app-calculator-0.2.8-1.2.armv7hl.rpm | 20:27 |
| lcuk | zypper remove meego-app-calculator | 20:27 |
| vgrade | I'm trying to get a mouse pointer to show. Any ideas. | 20:27 |
| lcuk | wget that ^ | 20:27 |
| lcuk | rpm -i that ^ | 20:27 |
| lcuk | vgrade, on maemo it used to be the mouse pointer was a transparent png | 20:27 |
| lcuk | is similar here? | 20:27 |
| lbt | djszapi_: rpc timeouts are usually OBS internals | 20:28 |
| lbt | ie the maemo OBS isn't responding | 20:28 |
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| djszapi_ | lbt: what can I do from here, reporting a bug ? | 20:29 |
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| lbt | djszapi_: at the moment we're waiting to do a couple of updates | 20:30 |
| vgrade | lcuk, not sure, I've been looking and I can't figure out what turns off the cursor. X or the QtApplications | 20:31 |
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| lcuk | run something that is not a qapplication and you will find out | 20:33 |
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| vgrade | lcuk, if I start Xorg I get a cursor after running glxgears. If I run qtdemo then I get an arrow cursor inside the qtdemo window and the x cross cursor outside. If I start the tablet-ux I loose both cursors | 20:53 |
| lcuk | that sounds helpful | 20:54 |
| lcuk | guessing it is tablet-ux thing | 20:54 |
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| lcuk | but finding out where might be more tricky, can you recall ever seeing cursor? | 20:54 |
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| vgrade | lcuk, I think I'll look trying to bring up the ux step by step see what happens | 21:02 |
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| lcuk | sounds complex vgrade | 21:02 |
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| andyross | In the tablet images, the X cursor is turned off by passing "-nocursor" on the Xorg command line from /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch. Just comment that out and the default X cursor will pop back up | 21:17 |
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| vgrade | andyross, I don't have that in my uxlaunch config file | 21:18 |
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| vgrade | I'm wondering now that I have an old image | 21:18 |
| andyross | Checking to make sure I remember the right spot. Which image are you using? | 21:19 |
| vgrade | If something was specifically added to xopts to remove the cursoe | 21:19 |
| vgrade | andyross, yes you are thinking of the right spot | 21:19 |
| vgrade | I will try a more recent image | 21:20 |
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| lcuk | lardman|gone, fiferboy - i have a question and idea for an app | 21:20 |
| lcuk | you guys will know how feasible it is | 21:20 |
| andyross | Dunno. I was doing this on current 1.2 images just last week and it worked fine. There are clearly other ways to make it work, | 21:20 |
| lcuk | when me and jake are out and about | 21:20 |
| lcuk | whenever he sees and aeroplane he points up and asks me what it is | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: .ks has a xopts thing? | 21:21 |
| lbt | lcuk: as long as the default "unrecognised profile is 'superman'" | 21:21 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:22 |
| lcuk | can I use my mobile to take a photo and then use database of silouettes and show info | 21:22 |
| lcuk | lololol lbt | 21:22 |
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| andyross | Yeah, it's just a 'echo "xopts=-nocursor" >> /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch' in the kickstart file: http://mirrors2.kernel.org/meego/builds/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.8.20110713.4/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.0.90.8.20110713.4.ks | 21:23 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, no xopts in the ks. Its a really old image. I'll build something more recent | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 21:23 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, where would I start a project wiki page for such an app? | 21:24 |
| lcuk | just wiki.meego.com/WhatIsThatPlane? or in my own lcuk: page | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | for what? | 21:25 |
| lbt | lcuk: ITP | 21:25 |
| lbt | maybe ITP/ITW/ITC | 21:25 |
| ali1234 | google goggles does this already | 21:25 |
| lcuk | to actually go through and make a proper app | 21:25 |
| lbt | (write and collaborate) | 21:25 |
| lcuk | yeah well that was what I was thinking | 21:25 |
| lcuk | its an appwhich would use a number of special skills | 21:25 |
| ali1234 | of course if you try to take a picture of a plane in flight you will get a small blob about 3 pixels across and nothing is going to identify that | 21:25 |
| lcuk | and have useful and fun things | 21:26 |
| lcuk | ali1234, stop being a moody pants | 21:26 |
| lcuk | we have n8 n9 and high res best in the industry cameras | 21:26 |
| ali1234 | best mobile phone camera is still rubbish | 21:26 |
| lbt | of course you can't GPL it.... the TSA won't want their backdoor public | 21:26 |
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| ali1234 | and even if you had a really good zoom lens it would be really difficult to keep the camera pointed at a moving object at such high zoom | 21:27 |
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| lcuk | lbt, recognising superman should really be a job for International Rescue. *grin* | 21:28 |
| ali1234 | also, yeah, watch out for the spooks at your door | 21:28 |
| lcuk | I only want to know the kind of plane it is! | 21:28 |
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| lcuk | "dad, whats that plane" | 21:28 |
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| lcuk | me: "errr its an airbus" | 21:29 |
| lcuk | "oooh" | 21:29 |
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| lbt | "Boeing 726" | 21:29 |
| lbt | like he's going to argue.... | 21:29 |
| lbt | AlfaRomeo 546 | 21:29 |
| ali1234 | istr some app that has all the flightpaths that can tell you not only what type of plane, but where it is going and what it is carrying :) | 21:29 |
| lcuk | well after he saw a jumbo cargo carrier at the airport he has been intruiged and knows I have been on many planes | 21:29 |
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| ali1234 | based on where the plane is and the time of day | 21:29 |
| lcuk | ali1234, collaborative thingie, yeah I have heard of that | 21:30 |
| lcuk | based on the radio signals and stuff | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | flightaware, etc.. | 21:30 |
| * lcuk does not want to overthink it | 21:30 | |
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| lcuk | and thought an app like fiferboy's bird spotting thing | 21:30 |
| lbt | terror plot : wait for a plane that's not on flight aware and then shoot it down | 21:30 |
| lcuk | with a catalog of common plane shapes | 21:30 |
| ali1234 | that aproach is much easier than trying to write an image recognition algorithm that works off a tiny tiny image | 21:30 |
| lcuk | would make it good fun | 21:30 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, old school | 21:31 |
| lcuk | let him flip through a book | 21:31 |
| lcuk | my mum has a similar book about birds | 21:31 |
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| * lcuk just trying to add use case and real funcionality to mobiles :) | 21:32 | |
| lbt | lcuk: better idea ... give him a prolog goal oriented plane recognition guide | 21:32 |
| lbt | how many wings? swing/fixed/delta? how many engines? | 21:32 |
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| * lcuk nods | 21:33 | |
| lcuk | propellas or jets | 21:33 |
| * lcuk smiles and will make a wiki page from this | 21:33 | |
| lcuk | like a game of guess who! | 21:33 |
| lbt | that'd be more interactive ... and actually could be a framework | 21:33 |
| lcuk | for different kinds of things | 21:33 |
| lcuk | yeah | 21:33 |
| lcuk | :) | 21:33 |
| lbt | applicable to various knowledge bases with images... | 21:34 |
| * lcuk nods | 21:34 | |
| ali1234 | http://www.bruceleibowitz.net/spotting.htm | 21:34 |
| lbt | make it OSM-like cloud data | 21:34 |
| lcuk | well I have a cloud of drawn sketches | 21:35 |
| lcuk | jake just drew a rainbow after I showed him one :) | 21:35 |
| lcuk | i will think of a way of creating question sets and storing the data | 21:35 |
| ali1234 | it's called an expert system | 21:35 |
| ali1234 | jfyi | 21:35 |
| lbt | try prolog | 21:36 |
| lcuk | <grin> Why not just use QML/js </grin> | 21:36 |
| lbt | although that could be well out of date | 21:36 |
| lcuk | technically to know most of the common planes I can just check the airport since we live so close many of them come over | 21:37 |
| lcuk | those are the ones he asks about | 21:37 |
| lcuk | that he hears | 21:37 |
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| ali1234 | a generic library for expert systems that presents the questions using a fancy QML interface... this is actually a very good idea | 21:42 |
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| Stskeeps | qsparql? | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:43 |
| ali1234 | i don't know what qsparql is | 21:43 |
| lbt | a name | 21:43 |
| ali1234 | "QSparql is a Qt-like client library for accessing RDF stores." | 21:44 |
| ali1234 | i still don't know what it is :( | 21:44 |
| lcuk | ali1234, i have been trying to get fiferboy to generalise his app for literally years :P | 21:45 |
| ali1234 | what app is that? | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: wikipedia rdf and sparql | 21:45 |
| lcuk | tracker! | 21:45 |
| ali1234 | the file indexer? | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: just an implementation.. | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:46 |
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| ali1234 | RDF doesn't really look like a good fit for an expert system | 21:48 |
| lbt | lisp | 21:48 |
| ali1234 | i mean it looks like you could shoe horn just about anything into it | 21:48 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:48 |
| ali1234 | but that doesn't mean it is a good idea | 21:48 |
| lcuk | ali1234, now you are talking like a Tracker developer! | 21:48 |
| ali1234 | well RDF and tracker go together | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | an expert system is AI | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | completely different | 21:49 |
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| Stskeeps | swi-prolog! | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:49 |
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| lcuk | IRC | 21:50 |
| ali1234 | insert that old quote about any moderately complex system containing a half-assed implementation of common lisp here... | 21:50 |
| lcuk | expert system on steroids | 21:50 |
| lcuk | as long as people answer | 21:50 |
| lcuk | ali1234, no, it will first gain mail sending capabilities first | 21:50 |
| lcuk | and possible get an emacs port | 21:51 |
| lbt | http://pyclips.sourceforge.net/manual/pyclips.html | 21:51 |
| lbt | http://clipsrules.sourceforge.net/FAQ.html | 21:51 |
| lbt | Portability: CLIPS is written in C for portability and speed | 21:51 |
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| ali1234 | i would probably go with that, cos i like python, and i especially like the python qt bindings | 21:56 |
| ali1234 | dunno how well they work with QML though | 21:56 |
| lcuk | lbt, can we not use BOSS for this task? :P | 21:56 |
| lbt | no | 21:56 |
| lcuk | a shame | 21:57 |
| lbt | you could do a flow-chart like thing but it's not dynamic enough | 21:57 |
| * lcuk may just make a simple one | 21:57 | |
| ali1234 | why is it a shame? | 21:57 |
| lcuk | with no real data | 21:57 |
| ali1234 | why must everything do everything? | 21:57 |
| lcuk | just a way of asking questions and making decisions | 21:58 |
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| lcuk | and then filling in answers | 21:58 |
| lcuk | as obtained | 21:58 |
| ali1234 | well yeah | 21:58 |
| lcuk | as you said lbt, cloud based | 21:58 |
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| ali1234 | there's no need for cloud | 21:58 |
| dm8tbr | is there a flow-chart-wiki-thing? :D | 21:58 |
| ali1234 | just wire your UI up to a premade expert system | 21:58 |
| lcuk | there is, i carry a different device | 21:58 |
| lbt | ali1234: cloud is for sharing various ES datasets | 21:59 |
| ali1234 | no no no | 21:59 |
| lbt | and like OSM ... editing them | 21:59 |
| ali1234 | you sell the same app over and over with a different ES dataset | 21:59 |
| ali1234 | "plane identifying app" "car identifying app" etc | 21:59 |
| lcuk | lbt i have to sort out cloudifying and syncing datasets anyway | 21:59 |
| ali1234 | 50c a time | 21:59 |
| lcuk | lbt, pming you an image | 21:59 |
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| arfoll | lbt, I have two stuck builds for tinyxml in home:arfoll:opencpn i've triggered a rebuild but doesn't seem to be cancelling the current build | 22:04 |
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| arfoll | can you help? | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | opencpn? | 22:04 |
| lbt | looking | 22:04 |
| * Stskeeps is braindamaged from coloured petri nets | 22:04 | |
| arfoll | yes opencpn... is the name that troubling? | 22:04 |
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| lbt | arfoll: worker05 is dead | 22:08 |
| arfoll | lbt, i didn't do it | 22:08 |
| lbt | nah ... hw raid controller driver is pants | 22:09 |
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| lbt | megaraid_sas I think | 22:09 |
| arfoll | i thought those lsi controllers where good... | 22:09 |
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| berndhs | that might explain why mic-image-creator is having trouble finding things today | 22:10 |
| lbt | if by "good" you mean "guarantee about 6hours uptime" ,,,, wait, nope, they're still not good | 22:10 |
| berndhs | I was in the RAID business 20 years ago, its not easy | 22:11 |
| arfoll | well guess i got lucky with them then... but anyways so how do i tell OBS to retry building on another worker? | 22:11 |
| arfoll | lbt, thank you! I'm guessing theres no way for me to do that? | 22:12 |
| lbt | no .. I kicked pub5 in the teeth though | 22:13 |
| lbt | echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger | 22:13 |
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| arfoll | ouch. you're vicious | 22:14 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: http://i.imgur.com/APWPi.jpg | 22:14 |
| lbt | sadly it's the only way to get them back | 22:14 |
| lcuk | mmmm bacon | 22:15 |
| arfoll | out of curiosity what raid controllers are good these days? | 22:15 |
| lbt | mdadm | 22:15 |
| arfoll | ahaha | 22:15 |
| * lbt wants 'md' + bcache | 22:15 | |
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| lbt | use an SSD to handle barrier writes and back off to an md raid10 | 22:16 |
| arfoll | would be a nice setup... | 22:18 |
| lbt | *almost* there.... | 22:18 |
| * CosmoHill wonders if anyone has heard of New Hall School | 22:19 | |
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| maligor | the surface of jupiter must be quite slippery if it's bacon | 22:33 |
| thiago | hydrogen bacon | 22:34 |
| lcuk | men are from Mars, women are from venus, pigs are from jupiter :P | 22:34 |
| maligor | but it brings about the important question, how large is jupiter in pigs | 22:35 |
| lcuk | I think you can measure in horse heads then convert | 22:35 |
| * lcuk gets the conversion wrong | 22:37 | |
| lcuk | measure it in rods | 22:37 |
| lcuk | then you can convert to hogs heads :P | 22:37 |
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| arfoll | is there a good reason for MeeGo1.2 repos on c.obs to be called MeeGo_Trunk_standard? It keeps confusing me | 23:01 |
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| arfoll | lbt, it looks c.obs is not pushing new builds to repo.pub.meego.com? | 23:03 |
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| timeless_xchat | lcuk: in a word: "painful" another is probably "underdocument" | 23:14 |
| timeless_xchat | fwiw, i think mxr.meego.com is mostly current | 23:14 |
| timeless_xchat | and in theory it should stay that way | 23:14 |
| timeless_xchat | modulo someone borking connectivity / proxies / dns again... | 23:15 |
| lbt | :P | 23:15 |
| * timeless_xchat isn't pointing fingers or anything | 23:15 | |
| * timeless_xchat doesn't think there's enough logging anywhere in the system to be able to do that... | 23:16 | |
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| seif | hey guys | 23:16 |
| seif | are there any garage repos for harmattan | 23:17 |
| seif | (meego 1.2) | 23:17 |
| timeless_xchat | ooh, interesting, some of the big repositories are still showing newer date modifieds | 23:18 |
| timeless_xchat | i guess that means they're still churning | 23:18 |
| timeless_xchat | in that case, they probably have another day left | 23:18 |
| * timeless_xchat is circling around YYZ | 23:18 | |
| timeless_xchat | ... in a ... | 23:18 |
| timeless_xchat | ... bus | 23:18 |
| timeless_xchat | what would make something a garage repo? | 23:19 |
| Elleo | seif: various people have personal harmattan repos on OBS, there's no community repository yet (well, it exists but there's virtually nothing in it/no way of submitting to it yet) | 23:19 |
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| Elleo | seif: e.g. http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/elleo/Harmattan/ is mine, rzr has a fair amount of stuff too: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/ | 23:19 |
| timeless_xchat | most things are either obs or obs-community | 23:19 |
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| seif | Elleo, nice | 23:22 |
| seif | is there a way to search those | 23:23 |
| seif | ? | 23:23 |
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| Elleo | seif: not as far as I know, only generic obs package search which doesn't let you filter for repository types (so is mostly standard meego stuff) | 23:24 |
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| Elleo | seif: as far as I'm aware http://repo.pub.meego.com/repositories/MeeGo/1.2/Harmattan/Apps/ and http://repo.pub.meego.com/repositories/MeeGo/1.2/Harmattan/Apps-testing/ should become the community repositories once apps.meego.com is in place | 23:25 |
| Elleo | so hopefully things will get a bit simpler then | 23:25 |
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| seif | Elleo, i am looking for geoclue :) | 23:31 |
| Elleo | seif: ah well a quick search of obs doesn't turn up much, so I suspect you'll end up having to build it yourself | 23:33 |
| seif | Elleo, oh god :( | 23:33 |
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| seif | Elleo, can i use the maemo packages :P | 23:33 |
| Elleo | heh, they might work | 23:33 |
| seif | ok cool | 23:34 |
| seif | let me try | 23:34 |
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| Elleo | if not you can probably just upload the .tar.gz and .dsc from the maemo packages to obs and have it rebuild against harmattan for you | 23:34 |
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| seif | Elleo, how long does that take? | 23:35 |
| Elleo | seif: depends on how long the build queue is | 23:35 |
| Elleo | seif: https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor/old <-- currently most hosts appear to be free | 23:35 |
| Elleo | so it should start building pretty quickly | 23:36 |
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| seif | Elleo, so where do i start | 23:36 |
| seif | where do i create an accout or such | 23:37 |
| Elleo | seif: ah you need to prod lbt or X-Fade for an account if you don't have one already | 23:37 |
| Elleo | if you like I could see if I can get it to build myself | 23:38 |
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| seif | Elleo, no i did not | 23:40 |
| seif | but that would be awesome | 23:40 |
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| Elleo | okay, I'll give it a go | 23:40 |
| seif | and i will write nice poems on my blog about it | 23:40 |
| Elleo | heh | 23:41 |
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| seif | Elleo, ping me when done | 23:47 |
| Elleo | seif: okay, might take a while, there's a bunch of dependencies that aren't in harmattan, so I'll need to get those built first (libgps-dev, libgtk2.0-dev, ofono-dev, libsoup-gnome, etc.) | 23:49 |
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| Sage | lcuk: that calculator bug should be assigned to someone else. | 23:50 |
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| lcuk | Sage, agreed, but have not found correct person for the task | 23:56 |
| * lcuk just trying to advance things | 23:56 | |
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