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| djszapi | gabrbedd: so bugreport against OBS ? | 00:02 |
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| gabrbedd | djszapi: BMC # 47123 "OBS should stop trying to save me time and just be stupid." - RESOLVED INVALID | 00:05 |
| gabrbedd | :-p | 00:05 |
| djszapi | it is not even funny. | 00:05 |
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| CosmoHill | bug 47123 | 00:05 |
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| djszapi | (if it is really that kind of bug) | 00:05 |
| CosmoHill | bug 47123? | 00:06 |
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| djszapi | gabrbedd: have you also packaged anything for Harmattan ? | 00:11 |
| Jaffa | Noobmonk3y: There's gPodder, Let's MeeGo and Trap, Shake, Kill 'Em | 00:12 |
| Jaffa | Noobmonk3y: Not in repos yet | 00:12 |
| Jaffa | Noobmonk3y: mwkn.net will be tracking them as they get announced for testing | 00:13 |
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| djszapi | gabrbedd: is there an option on OBS to upload the file with the same name as the filename ? It is a bit tiresome to type everything all the time. I just use basically the filenames. | 00:19 |
| gabrbedd | djszapi: first, it's not my bug... it's pabs3's. | 00:20 |
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| gabrbedd | djszapi: I've done debian packaging, but never for maemo, meego, or obs. | 00:20 |
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| djszapi | gabrbedd: it is not about any bug, it is actually a completely independent question about OBS | 00:20 |
| gabrbedd | djszapi: Finally, I'll bet that OBS is working as intended, and that pabs3 has done something wrong. | 00:21 |
| djszapi | it is not even related to maemo, meego :) | 00:21 |
| gabrbedd | djszapi: I don't know the answer to that. | 00:21 |
| Jaffa | djszapi: What's the question? "tiresome to type everything all the time"? | 00:21 |
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| pabs3 | gabrbedd: it is djszapi's package, was trying to help him with it | 00:21 |
| djszapi | Jaffa: you missed actually the question from my post :) | 00:21 |
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| Jaffa | djszapi: I did. | 00:24 |
| djszapi | I am not getting your post then | 00:25 |
| * Jaffa did miss it. | 00:26 | |
| * javispedro misses nokia-binaries in OBS =) | 00:26 | |
| djszapi | Jaffa: it would be handy to have the filename as default with highlight or a checkbox or so | 00:27 |
| Jaffa | OBS works like svn. I'm not sure what you're tirelessly typing | 00:27 |
| Jaffa | djszapi: Are you using the web interface? | 00:27 |
| djszapi | yes of course | 00:27 |
| Jaffa | Of course? It's Linux dev. Use the command line and you get tab completion | 00:27 |
| Jaffa | It's pretty straightforward: http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS | 00:27 |
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| gabrbedd | pab3: ah, ok. :-) | 00:28 |
| djszapi | sorry, I /would/ like to use webinterface | 00:28 |
| djszapi | and no, it is not straight-forward. I have spent 2-3 days to figure out why it did not work actually. | 00:28 |
| djszapi | that was enough for me, seriously. | 00:28 |
| djszapi | also, not even available as binary on my distribution, so really no-go. | 00:29 |
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| Jaffa | djszapi: The osc command line interface *is* straightforward for adding and updating files, IMHO. Whether or not the underlying OBS concepts are got, or trying to do more tricky things, or having to compile for oneself, obviously vary that experience. | 00:34 |
| djszapi | 00:28 < djszapi> sorry, I /would/ like to use webinterface | 00:35 |
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| djszapi | gabrbedd: files+checksum section helped. It might be worth to report it on this blog: http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/article/opensuse-build-system-building-deb-packages | 00:56 |
| djszapi | thanks =) | 00:56 |
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| djszapi | gabrbedd: is it know issue OBS does not accept bz2 files ? | 01:23 |
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| djszapi | for instance: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=shared-desktop-ontologies&project=home%3Adjszapi&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan | 01:24 |
| andyross | bz2 files work fine in RPM builds. No idea about harmattan | 01:25 |
| berndhs | djszapi: it does accept bz2 files | 01:25 |
| djszapi | berndhs: what is the problem with that then ? Bz2 never worked for me, but when I changed to tar.gz it always worked. | 01:27 |
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| berndhs | djszapi: i have one project on meego obs and soem on suse obs that have bz2 files, with rpm builds, no problems | 01:34 |
| djszapi | it is deb | 01:35 |
| javispedro | djszapi: what do you have inside debian/source/version ? | 01:36 |
| javispedro | er. | 01:36 |
| javispedro | debian/source/format ? | 01:36 |
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| javispedro | .dsc says native, while debian/source/format says quilt, so something is wrong with the package. | 01:38 |
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| djszapi | yeah, quilt is the right. It is a bit odd: the generated description file has native entry. | 01:43 |
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| CosmoHill | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200609/phoneOn.jpg | 02:12 |
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| dridk | Hello! I m looking how to get the QML listView with a right slider to search quickly by first alphabetic letter ? | 02:14 |
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| djszapi | javispedro: do you know whether or not there is a way to get information what is missing in case of an unresolable package ? It seems to me that all the dependencies are in my repository which were missing from the platform image. | 02:18 |
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| javispedro | obviously there is, just check the changelog. | 02:19 |
| javispedro | er | 02:19 |
| javispedro | the build log. | 02:19 |
| djszapi | unresolvable packages do not start building... | 02:20 |
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| djszapi | oh but clicking on the red text shows it, cool. | 02:20 |
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| dridk | djszapi, hi! Do you know where to find the ListView component with a search bar and an alphabetic seeker that it used in contact or media player ? | 02:21 |
| npm | dridk: well if I have my way, http://code.google.com/p/qtzibit/ will be able to give you "faceted browsing" of QML data models | 02:22 |
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| dridk | npm, But I want to use the default theme of meego n950 | 02:23 |
| npm | see http://groups.google.com/group/simile-widgets/msg/85f67820944464c2 for details | 02:24 |
| npm | yeah that uses default theme of your QtWebKit browser and CSS stylings | 02:24 |
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| djszapi | npm: grob is a bit different from the meego application in my opinion. | 02:25 |
| dridk | yes it is | 02:25 |
| dridk | Otherwise, in the nokia N950, there are 4 qml example! I didn't find the soure | 02:26 |
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| npm | well when i'm done it won't matter and you'll be able to switch between them depending on what you need | 02:27 |
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| djszapi | npm: there are people who would like to use the theme without any webkit I guess. | 02:28 |
| npm | what's "grob" | 02:28 |
| djszapi | the browser on harmattan | 02:28 |
| djszapi | grob - Simple browser | 02:29 |
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| npm | oh, but what i'm doing isn't in a "browser" it's in qtwebkit in qml | 02:29 |
| npm | i'm working on an example now that mashes up qml generated json into qtzibit | 02:30 |
| dridk | what I m looking for :http://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/images/core_ui_framework/pages/swipe-thumb.jpg | 02:30 |
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| npm | just got this working http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qtzibit-browse-podcasts.png | 02:32 |
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| npm | that's a live mashup of extracted podcast data from npr.org's listing and various others | 02:34 |
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| djszapi | javispedro: I modified an existing and previously suceeded package, but it is not really getting rebuilt. | 02:43 |
| javispedro | wait for a while | 02:44 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:47 |
| berndhs | night Cosmo | 02:48 |
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| KermitMei | Excuse, can I install Meego-netbook-1.2 into VirtualBox as a guest | 05:42 |
| KermitMei | ? | 05:42 |
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| KermitMei | I can't set the *.img file as a virtual CDROM. VBox told me that "Could not get the storage format of the medium". | 05:44 |
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| KermitMei | Excuse me, is there anyone installed Meego-netbook-1.2 into VirtualBox as a guest? | 06:04 |
| Termana | Morning | 06:04 |
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| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=soprano&project=home%3Adjszapi -> Is it just a webinterface, or is it also like that in the background ? The original names are soprano-2.6.0+dfsg*, but the plus character changed. | 07:32 |
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| djszapi | I do know understand the issue if it is not related to the character "+": https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=soprano&project=home%3Adjszapi&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan . | 07:42 |
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| iekku | morning | 10:20 |
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| lcuk | morning iekku dm8tbr | 11:15 |
| * lcuk makes a BBQ in the chan and starts making bacon sandwiches | 11:17 | |
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| * MSM|Cat steals a sandwich | 11:18 | |
| lcuk | MSM|Cat, you can butter the muffins | 11:19 |
| MSM|Cat | Yay | 11:19 |
| MSM|Cat | What kind are we having ? | 11:19 |
| lcuk | supersize bacon muffins | 11:19 |
| lcuk | i have a whole griddle full of bacon | 11:19 |
| MSM|Cat | =-O | 11:19 |
| lcuk | who has any other food to add to meego-breakfast? | 11:20 |
| MSM|Cat | I did see some orange juice floating round | 11:20 |
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| iekku | coffee | 11:27 |
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| Myrtti | *yawn* | 11:46 |
| iekku | good morning Myrtti | 11:46 |
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| Myrtti | moin everyone | 11:47 |
| Myrtti | iekku ♥ | 11:47 |
| iekku | ;) | 11:47 |
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| iekku | oh my, i'm nervous | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | about? | 11:49 |
| iekku | today is my polterabend | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:49 |
| iekku | don't know when friends come to pick me... | 11:49 |
| iekku | maybe i just start testing meego and skip the party :D | 11:50 |
| Myrtti | sounds like a plan :-> | 11:50 |
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| jani | does anyone know if there's any decent libraries to generate touch events ? Afaik, xtest is not able to do those, only mouse stuff there .. but do correct me if im wrong .. | 12:06 |
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| lcuk | jani, for single touch events mouse is the same? | 12:20 |
| lcuk | or were you thinking a multitouch testbench thingie | 12:20 |
| jani | lcuk: well, its not multitouch event per se ..For example, if i just use XFakeMouseEvent from xtest it wont get recognized into QTouchEvent in qt .. | 12:22 |
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| lcuk | jani, is that a bug ? | 12:22 |
| jani | we have a test tools that can generate QTouchEvents directly into the qt event loop but in same cases thats not really a good thing .. | 12:23 |
| jani | well, propably not .. | 12:23 |
| lcuk | jani, what are you testing? | 12:24 |
| lcuk | perhaps the ots can send mouse events (not sure) | 12:24 |
| jani | meegotouch =) | 12:24 |
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| jani | and about ots, i've lead myself to think thats its only used to execute tests, not actually implement those .. but dunno for real. | 12:27 |
| Summeli | what's be best API for game audio in harmattan? | 12:28 |
| Kaadlajk | yeah, OTS only executes tests | 12:28 |
| Summeli | I tryed QtMobility stuff, but I get crash if I try to link into that on the device | 12:28 |
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| jani | yeah .. the thing is, i really frigin hate tdriver. | 12:31 |
| jani | and its just not good enough for my purposes due to these limitations in how it generates events (+alot of more things that will eventually lead me to baldness) .. so i really need to find a way to generate the events on lower level than direct injection to qt's event loop. | 12:33 |
| jani | was pointed to uiinput and evtest by few people already but i cant find anything really usefull on google for uiinput .. | 12:35 |
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| jani | maybe it would be just to inspect the event queue via evtest and finding a way how to inject those again somehow.. | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | you can make a fake input with some input driver | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | i think wiimote software does that | 12:39 |
| jani | good idea! too bad urho is on holidays so i cant just ask him on monday for more guidance.. | 12:45 |
| lcuk | jani, if you do go bald, perhaps you could add a tattoo :P | 12:46 |
| jani | lol. | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, uinput is the way to go | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | http://svn.navi.cx/misc/trunk/inputpipe/uinput/uinput.txt | 12:47 |
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| jani | duh, i was googling for uiinput ;D no wonder i didnt find anything | 12:48 |
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| jani | regarding thta thou, might be quite a hassle to get it working with aegis =| | 12:49 |
| jani | but gotta check that for sure. | 12:49 |
| jani | and lcuk, not really looking for letting go of my hair. stskeeps propably knows what i mean :D | 12:50 |
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| lcuk | jani, I thought hairloss was necessary for working in computing! | 12:51 |
| jani | ive managed to avoid that so far.. with very good results. | 12:52 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 12:52 |
| lcuk | jani, so really we should make sure every package is tested by you | 12:53 |
| lcuk | and if any hairloss is noticed we should modify package until it doesn't! | 12:53 |
| jani | lol | 12:53 |
| jani | only time i get hairloss during work is when it gets stuck under the chair's wheels. | 12:54 |
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| lcuk | your hair wasn't that long in November (dublin) | 12:54 |
| lcuk | now I recall in February (fosdem) | 12:55 |
| lcuk | nor * | 12:55 |
| jani | i wasnt in dublin =) only in maemo summit in a'dam .. | 12:55 |
| jani | i was supposed to go there but secretary didnt *want* to make reservations for me. | 12:55 |
| lcuk | hmm I was sure you were there | 12:55 |
| lcuk | topic change: which distros use .tar.gz and "make; make install" rather than a full package system? | 12:57 |
| jani | slackware ? =) | 12:57 |
| lcuk | sounds familiar, will dig a bit thanks | 12:58 |
| timoph | linux from scratch? ;) | 12:58 |
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| lcuk | timoph, cosmohill does that stuff | 12:59 |
| jani | and isnt ports packaging system just based on tarballs ? | 12:59 |
| lcuk | that isn't a bad thing either | 12:59 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, for mud2 where is the meta information being stored? | 13:01 |
| * jonwil is about ready to start pulling his hair out over these damn functions | 13:03 | |
| Jaffa | lcuk: At the moment, it gets metadata from the .pro file | 13:03 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Next step is to get it from the debian_* and .spec files | 13:03 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Step after that might be to do something spectacle like which allows you to define things once no matter which packaging format you're using | 13:03 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, yes | 13:04 |
| lcuk | but eventually that will become a packaging format itself! | 13:04 |
| lcuk | i wonder how much faster qt5 compilation could become | 13:04 |
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| Jaffa | Indeed. So maybe the simple .spec file and icon.png could become enough to derive the debian_* | 13:04 |
| lcuk | and whether on device will ever be comfortably feasible | 13:04 |
| Jaffa | (for most things) | 13:04 |
| lcuk | yeah | 13:05 |
| lcuk | but .spec file is more lax in its versioning and stuff | 13:05 |
| lcuk | it was something lbt made lots of noise about in the past | 13:05 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, where is all the meta info in attitude stored? | 13:18 |
| lcuk | since that is not a qt project is it (uses pyqt?) | 13:18 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: New version of Attitude is QML-based and maintained in Qt Creator | 13:22 |
| * Jaffa is using it as a test-bed for cross-platform "proper" Qt-strategic development targetting Maemo, Symbian, Harmattan and MeeGo | 13:22 | |
| Jaffa | Hence mud2 to fill in the gaps | 13:22 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, that is understandable since attitude does not really have user data (it is a visualisation tool) or real configuration even | 13:25 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, does attitude now use the compass? | 13:27 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Not yet | 13:50 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Qt provides a settings abstraction AIUI | 13:50 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, sure, I am just wondering how a more complex app would manage. would you consider using qml/js for the business logic stuff you do at work? | 13:52 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: We're an end-to-end Java shop now, but we built our own declarative view engine based on Groovy (a JVM language) about 3 years ago for http://www.alfav5.com/ and it's remarkably similar to QML. | 13:55 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, so if a client came to you and said, we have requirement for mobile appware thing deployed on Nokia devices. Would you be comfortable suggesting QML for the front end? | 13:58 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: As an example, http://pastebin.com/mkJNuDRB is a snippet from one of our UI test cases (checks the HTML we generate matches that produced by the designers) | 13:58 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Yes | 13:58 |
| lcuk | good stuff :) | 13:58 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, that test stuff would sit where ots and the meego-qa guys work sortof | 13:59 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Yeah, it's a JUnit test case and runs as part of continuous integration build system. Runs on every commit to the project containing it | 14:01 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, as a java shop, would you steer business customers towards an android app? | 14:03 |
| lcuk | since then the solid tested codebase could be leveraged and utilised within a mobile app | 14:03 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Not sure. Possibly. | 14:04 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: It'd be more likely that most of the business logic would reside on a server and use web services to invoke | 14:05 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Having said that, some things on the client might be handy (e.g. contract evaluation); Android's Java base should make that easier. | 14:05 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: If I wanted to be really out there, we could use Google Web Toolkit to convert the Java to JavaScript and run it in QML ;-) | 14:05 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, but you would then not gain the benefit of the junit (or does the convertor work reliably each time?) | 14:07 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: There are JavaScript unit testing frameworks, but what we'd probably do is put some tests in to make sure the converter worked as we expected, and then unit test the Java. | 14:10 |
| Jaffa | We did something similar to convert our business logic from an old 90s RPG-based 4GL into Java | 14:10 |
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| * lcuk remembers spending much time generating reports from huge databases | 14:18 | |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, amusing grid produced from historical dataset http://liqbase.net/grid/grid_readable.png | 14:20 |
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| KMFDM | Jaffa, interesting that you use groovy. i got hired on at a company i interned at a year and a half ago after convincing them to use grails for new web application programs when they were unsure about it and hadn't heard of it before i mentioned it. they now use it for all java web app projects | 14:31 |
| KMFDM | groovy really makes coding for the JVM alright w/o impeding any java guys working on the project who know nothing about groovy | 14:32 |
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| Jaffa | KMFDM: We use Java for most of the code, but Groovy for the UI. It's good, but the tooling still has some way to go | 14:47 |
| Jaffa | Got a lot better in the last 12 months tho' | 14:47 |
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| KMFDM | is this a regular java app or a web app for a servlets container? | 14:56 |
| KMFDM | nvm i scrolled up | 15:02 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, all the noise about aegis makes me look forward to n950-ce :) | 19:34 |
| leinir | aegis? | 19:34 |
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| lcukn900 | lbt how is the bs upgrade coming on? | 21:53 |
| lbt | we're just getting going | 21:53 |
| * npm when i write java, i write groovy too | 21:53 | |
| * lbt was at a party | 21:53 | |
| npm | unless i can figure out a way to use clojure which would be my top preference, since it's like lisp | 21:53 |
| lcukn900 | awesome did you eat much jelly and go on the bouncy castle? | 21:53 |
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| maligor | groovy: An agile dynamic language for the Java Platform? | 21:54 |
| lbt | no, had a 99 though :) | 21:54 |
| lcukn900 | wooohooo | 21:54 |
| npm | oh i guess that convo w/ Jaffa was from 4AM this morning... i guess i should look at the time before replying | 21:54 |
| lcukn900 | we missed the ice cream man today because still eating | 21:54 |
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| lcukn900 | nom lol | 21:55 |
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| Jaffa | npm: No probs - I'm still awake. | 22:00 |
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| sdsds | whats meego? | 22:44 |
| timoph | meego.com/about | 22:45 |
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| sdsds | timoph | 22:46 |
| sdsds | whos the owner | 22:46 |
| sdsds | of meego | 22:46 |
| timoph | https://meego.com/about/governance | 22:47 |
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| maligor | I think it pretty much amounts to 'Intel' currently | 22:48 |
| andre__ | if Intel does most of the work, that's how it is... however that's not "ownership" but drive :) | 22:49 |
| timoph | yep | 22:49 |
| maligor | well, 'control' | 22:49 |
| maligor | they're certainly not the owner of most of the code certainly | 22:50 |
| maligor | remove one certainly | 22:50 |
| RST38h | Formality. | 22:50 |
| RST38h | Infact, those who do development, own the product | 22:51 |
| timoph | hmmh. the about govenance page still has valtteri's email to @nokia.com | 22:51 |
| timoph | "a bit" dated info | 22:51 |
| maligor | I just mean that intel seems to drive most of the decisions currently | 22:52 |
| timoph | well it is the biggest contributor currentlty so it's kinda justified | 22:52 |
| timoph | only problem that I have is the lack communication and transparency | 22:53 |
| maligor | that's probably because of confidentiality | 22:53 |
| timoph | and that was already a problem before 2/11 | 22:53 |
| timoph | there shouldn't be any confidental things in meego.com | 22:54 |
| Jaffa | maligor: Confidentiality of what, and with whom? | 22:54 |
| timoph | if there is they're in the wrong place | 22:54 |
| maligor | intel and intel's customers | 22:54 |
| timoph | I don't really care about intel's customers | 22:54 |
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| timoph | I care about the meego.com project that's supposed to be open, etc | 22:55 |
| Jaffa | Intel's senior management have been on-record saying it's the openness of MeeGo to anyone who wants to use it or contribute to it which means it can compete with other OEM-friendly, Linux-based OSes (such as Android) | 22:55 |
| maligor | yeah, but I mean it's a issue with communication and transparency | 22:55 |
| Jaffa | If Intel's commercial interests don't permit openness around MeeGo Project governance, architectural decisions and communication; fine. But then MeeGo has no USP. | 22:56 |
| * Jaffa doesn't think it's Intel's commercial interests which are resulting in the current problems though | 22:56 | |
| timoph | yep | 22:56 |
| timoph | I'm having pretty much similar thoughts | 22:56 |
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| Jaffa | It's hard for two big s/w development operations to cooperate at the best of times. But #feb11 made it easier for the development teams to retreat back into corrider conversations and internal decisions. | 22:57 |
| maligor | I think the problem is just refers to unreleased hardware | 22:57 |
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| maligor | like if you report a bug that only happens on device "Unreleased" | 22:57 |
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| maligor | it just becomes a problem with contracts | 22:58 |
| timoph | that's not really an issue if the unreleasede stuff is done where it belongs, behind closed doors | 22:58 |
| timoph | meego.com should use public, open hw to provide a reference | 22:58 |
| timoph | that's all | 22:59 |
| maligor | so you prefer that you get a code drop at the end of the project? | 22:59 |
| timoph | no | 22:59 |
| maligor | as opposed to development changes happening on a open repo? | 22:59 |
| timoph | meego.com and vendor versions of meego are two different things | 22:59 |
| timoph | like I said I really don't care what vendors do with meego untill they publish their work | 23:00 |
| maligor | oh.. you mean you'd want everything on build.meego.com work similarly to the build.pub.meego.com | 23:00 |
| maligor | I see your point, there are some pieces of code you just can't get without access there | 23:01 |
| timoph | well it should since it's pretty much the same setup except there's thighter control who gets access | 23:01 |
| timoph | and it also has anonymous read access to it | 23:01 |
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| timoph | so in that sense it's open | 23:01 |
| wcunning | how does one go about getting an account on build.pub.meego.com? | 23:02 |
| timoph | wcunning: ask lbt or X-Fade | 23:02 |
| Jaffa | wcunning: Ask X-Fade or lbt. As it says on http://build.pub.meego.com/ :-p | 23:02 |
| maligor | wcunning, make an account on meego.com and ask here to get access on it | 23:02 |
| wcunning | ok | 23:02 |
| maligor | timoph, I'm pretty sure not everything has anonymous read access | 23:03 |
| lbt | yep | 23:03 |
| maligor | timoph, and I've found it an issue, yes | 23:03 |
| timoph | well yeah but you got my point :) | 23:03 |
| wcunning | I'm looking into porting openSUSE back to ARM, and Jan-Simon Möller recommended that I get access to Meego build service of some variety, since it's the same technology, but has figured out properly building for ARM | 23:03 |
| wcunning | (sorry to go off on a tangent in the middle of a discussion) | 23:04 |
| timoph | suse obs doesn't have arm targets? | 23:04 |
| wcunning | not currently | 23:04 |
| timoph | oh | 23:04 |
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| wcunning | or they're old enough that they don't support the hardfp abi | 23:04 |
| lbt | wcunning: hmmm | 23:04 |
| wcunning | or rather, aren't currently configured to | 23:05 |
| wcunning | they abandoned openSUSE 11.3 when the change window opened | 23:05 |
| lbt | so I think we'd be interested to help you to get arm support working on the suse OBS | 23:05 |
| lbt | but realistically we haven't got the resources to do a build of openSuse on the meego community OBD | 23:06 |
| wcunning | Jan-Simmon ported 11.2 to ARM as a Google Summer of Code project, but they didn't keep it maintained | 23:06 |
| lbt | OBS | 23:06 |
| wcunning | understood | 23:06 |
| wcunning | the recommendation given to me was as follows: | 23:06 |
| wcunning | openSUSE's OBS has the ability to be configured to do building for ARM | 23:06 |
| wcunning | but that that configurations and the extra steps necessary to build for ARM were currently only available from Meego | 23:07 |
| wcunning | so I'm to play around with both build services | 23:07 |
| wcunning | and then I | 23:07 |
| wcunning | 'll need to get the right configurations moved over to openSUSE | 23:07 |
| wcunning | and start in on a bootstrap for ARM | 23:08 |
| lbt | *nod* | 23:08 |
| wcunning | from there, I'll be able to really start building the distro for ARM | 23:08 |
| wcunning | now, I don't know OBS at all, so some general recommendations on that would be great | 23:08 |
| wcunning | as well as how the openSUSE one differs from Meego, if at all, if anyone knows | 23:09 |
| lbt | OK, so if you promise to be very careful with the builds (keeping load down) then I guess that should be OK. | 23:10 |
| wcunning | Jan-Simon mentioned that I should be able to use the build service but do the actual computing on my machine | 23:10 |
| lbt | yeah - that'd help | 23:10 |
| wcunning | (and I definitely have the computational resources to build as fast as I have time to get things up and working) | 23:10 |
| wcunning | is there a guide to how to get that working in addition to general build service info? | 23:11 |
| lbt | there's stuff on the wiki - needs work. | 23:12 |
| lbt | The ARM docs need improving AFAIUI too | 23:12 |
| lbt | anyhow... let me know your meego account and I'll enable it | 23:13 |
| wcunning | just making one now | 23:13 |
| lbt | we're about to do some sysadmin on the OBS so it may be up/down tonight/tomorrow | 23:13 |
| wcunning | mmk | 23:14 |
| wcunning | I'm mostly just looking for docs to read | 23:14 |
| wcunning | that are good and understandable | 23:15 |
| wcunning | my meego account is the same as my nick, "wcunning" | 23:15 |
| lbt | mmm ... the account sync is down too | 23:16 |
| lcuk | is there a UX agnostic way to add toolbar widget thingies (near the clock on XP and ubuntu and maemo) | 23:17 |
| lcuk | i want a status bar icon for something | 23:17 |
| * lcuk can do it from vb for the windows app, but maemo is complex and IDK if it is a global to meego | 23:17 | |
| lcuk | wcunning, http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS | 23:19 |
| lcuk | is simplest basic meego orented single app sorta guide | 23:19 |
| arfoll | lbt, i'm guessing pub OBS is currently not doing so well? | 23:19 |
| lcuk | oriented | 23:19 |
| lcuk | arfoll, tuning to demands I heard | 23:19 |
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| lbt | arfoll: well, we're migrating VMs from one physical host and playing with the SSO system | 23:20 |
| lbt | so we may have glitches | 23:20 |
| arfoll | lbt, ok i'm getting HTTP 500 errors at basically everything | 23:21 |
| lbt | arfoll: mmm OK | 23:22 |
| lbt | doing what? | 23:22 |
| arfoll | lbt, an osc commit of a spec file | 23:22 |
| arfoll | i was getting it when trying to do a checkout of a project too | 23:23 |
| lbt | OK - consider it down for tonight then. Sorry | 23:24 |
| arfoll | lbt, no worries - enjoy the evenin | 23:25 |
| wcunning | where are most of the meego people located (what time zone)? | 23:26 |
| lbt | EU/US | 23:26 |
| CosmoHill | UTC+2 and UTC-8 IIRC | 23:26 |
| lbt | iirc many QA are in Asia | 23:26 |
| arfoll | so basicaly everywhere... | 23:27 |
| wcunning | well, every project has someone everywhere | 23:27 |
| lcuk | we lack people on ISS so far | 23:27 |
| lcuk | but are working on it | 23:27 |
| wcunning | but, for example, openSUSE is mostly developed in Germany | 23:27 |
| wcunning | and Canonical headquarters are in London | 23:28 |
| arfoll | wcunning, well meego isn't mostly anywhere.... | 23:28 |
| wcunning | ok | 23:28 |
| lbt | mostly irc :) | 23:28 |
| * lcuk wouldn't mind headquarters in aviva | 23:28 | |
| wcunning | I'm just gauging when the mods will be around to help on IRC | 23:28 |
| wcunning | if there's a deadzone or something, when everyone has gone to bed or work | 23:29 |
| CosmoHill | there are dead zones | 23:29 |
| CosmoHill | more common on weekends | 23:29 |
| lcuk | but it is not timezone related :P | 23:29 |
| lcuk | wcunning, where are you? | 23:29 |
| wcunning | currently in Central Standard Time (I never learned the UTC +/- because it changes with Daylight Savings Time) but I'll be headed back to Eastern Standard Time in a month or so | 23:30 |
| lcuk | does your country have a name? | 23:31 |
| wcunning | United States | 23:31 |
| wcunning | sorry | 23:31 |
| berndhs | wcunning: $date --utc | 23:31 |
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| wcunning | in IRC or in terminal? | 23:31 |
| lcuk | wcunning, well the US contingent can be woken up with cookies and stuff most of the time, and you are getting evening time Europeans now | 23:31 |
| berndhs | terminal | 23:31 |
| CosmoHill | /exec -o date | 23:31 |
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| wcunning | ah | 23:33 |
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| wcunning | UTC -4 | 23:33 |
| wcunning | currently | 23:33 |
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| lcuk | wcunning, apart from building a whole distro | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | It's summertime in europe too | 23:33 |
| wcunning | soon to still be -4, when I cross back into -5, but savings time changes | 23:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | So, it's -5 | 23:34 |
| lcuk | what would be your ideal mobile use case | 23:34 |
| lcuk | and infact, what mobile devices do you currently use? | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | 9:30 in the UK | 23:34 |
| wcunning | SpeedEvil: yep | 23:35 |
| wcunning | lcuk: who are you talking to? | 23:35 |
| lcuk | you | 23:36 |
| lcuk | multiline question :P | 23:36 |
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| wcunning | I have an Android phone (Droid X) | 23:36 |
| CosmoHill | IIRC the Droid is american only | 23:36 |
| lcuk | i was surprised to see slow running android phones recently o_O | 23:36 |
| wcunning | uh, Droid X, I think so, the Droid is the Motorola Milestone, everywhere else | 23:36 |
| lcuk | surprised me because I have only seen reasonably quick ones | 23:37 |
| wcunning | Android is non-ideal in a number of ways | 23:37 |
| arfoll | but i think the droid X doesnt actually exist, isn't it a CDMA device? | 23:37 |
| wcunning | yes | 23:37 |
| arfoll | by exist i mean exist in EU | 23:37 |
| wcunning | yeah | 23:37 |
| wcunning | I was agreeing with that up above | 23:37 |
| wcunning | it's kind of sad how GSM is pretty terrible in the US and the only option everywhere else | 23:38 |
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| wcunning | also, the EU has much better cell provider plans | 23:38 |
| wcunning | your companies don't get to actively screw with you | 23:38 |
| arfoll | wcunning, depends where in the EU | 23:38 |
| CosmoHill | the cost of roaming is coming down too :) | 23:38 |
| wcunning | roaming got phased out a while ago in the US | 23:38 |
| CosmoHill | not that I roam, also it's increased prices for pay as you go | 23:38 |
| CosmoHill | wcunning: well it is the UNITED states | 23:39 |
| wcunning | I suppose | 23:39 |
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| CosmoHill | I mean most of europe drive on the wrong side of the road | 23:39 |
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| berndhs | no just on a few islands | 23:40 |
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| CosmoHill | damn | 23:40 |
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| wcunning | so has there been much in the way of Meego ported to Android handsets | 23:45 |
| arfoll | wcunning, quite a few but due to lack of 3d drivers... all running on fb | 23:46 |
| wcunning | I don't think I've ever seen anything that ran Meego officially, other than a couple of dev boards (pandaboard, beagleboard) | 23:46 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, are you about? :) | 23:46 |
| arfoll | wcunning, there are quite alot of non arm hardware running it ;) | 23:48 |
| arfoll | and n900/n950/n9 | 23:49 |
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| CosmoHill | arfoll: for a moment I thought you meant facebook... | 23:49 |
| Noobmonk3y | when porting across from maemo, or creating a new app on the n950 i seem to have a grey bar at the bottom of the app (No tool/status/menu bars enabled) .... anyone else got this or am i missing something obvious? | 23:52 |
| arfoll | CosmoHill, social obsessed world we live in... | 23:53 |
| CosmoHill | I use facebook like a hit and run driver uses predestines | 23:54 |
| Noobmonk3y | lcuk, ping* | 23:55 |
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| Noobmonk3y | Jaffa, ! :) | 23:59 |
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