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| CosmoHill | is that open or closed source? | 00:26 |
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| dyrvere | Don't know, I see there is the open-broadcom driver within the kernel but no idea to check what it is running. | 00:28 |
| CosmoHill | did you have to install anything to get it working? | 00:29 |
| dyrvere | No it's basically meego 1.2 fresh install AFAIK | 00:30 |
| dyrvere | compaq mini cq10-500so | 00:30 |
| CosmoHill | it will be open then | 00:31 |
| dyrvere | any firmware needed you think? | 00:33 |
| dyrvere | I ran it with win7 before but that was just not interesting enough :D | 00:33 |
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| CosmoHill | dyrvere: http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php could give that a go | 00:40 |
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| dyrvere | thanks, I was just looking at that page searching if it's in the repos somewhere :p | 00:42 |
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| * RzR950 http://rzr.online.fr/q/handset# : built and shared : rsync, tmux, git and other cli tools for #n950 #nokia #maemo #meego #harmattan #handset | 03:04 | |
| thiago | RzR950: this is not twitter | 03:05 |
| thiago | RzR950: half of those channels don't exist | 03:05 |
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| iekku | morning | 06:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Perhaps. | 06:24 |
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| Ronksu | morning | 08:09 |
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| pkliang | hi all, does anyone know where to download meego-development-tools(Meego 1.2), i think it is a group of rpms | 08:17 |
| pkliang | I'm trying to fix Lan and Wifi driver problmes in my Meego system, so I need these tools to compile drivers | 08:17 |
| sofar | there's a "packaging-tools" package | 08:18 |
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| sofar | which has dependencies on a lot of things | 08:18 |
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| sofar | could be meego-packaging-tools | 08:18 |
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| sofar | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/repos/oss/ia32/packages/noarch/meego-packaging-tools-0.6-1.1.noarch.rpm | 08:24 |
| pkliang | thanks, sofar | 08:25 |
| sofar | beware, that rpm depends on a bunch of packages from ../i586/ | 08:25 |
| pkliang | OK | 08:26 |
| sofar | you can see the dependencies here: | 08:27 |
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| sofar | http://tinyurl.com/6zbh4oy | 08:27 |
| sofar | (and, the dependencies in there have further requirements...) | 08:28 |
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| pkliang | yes, got it | 08:32 |
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| arfoll | is there a workaround for mic2 and OBS repos with colons? | 11:00 |
| arfoll | I can't believe after more than a year that bug is still around | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | what bug? | 11:01 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps, seems you can't add repos with colons in the URL | 11:05 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | i never had issues with that, i think | 11:06 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps, do you have an example ks with a repo.pub.meego.com URL? | 11:12 |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: repo --name=wayland-trunk --baseurl=http://download.meego.com/live/home:/cvm:/branches:/wayland-stuff/Trunk/ --save\ | 11:15 |
| arfoll | ~$ sudo modprobe -r b43 ssb | 11:15 |
| * arfoll woops | 11:15 | |
| arfoll | Stskeeps, thanks i'll try again | 11:16 |
| vvaltone | wayland and lighthouse eh | 11:16 |
| vvaltone | how well does that work?-) | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | vvaltone: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/wayland/20110419_002.jpg | 11:17 |
| vvaltone | sweet | 11:18 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 11:20 |
| vvaltone | I guess the biggest issue with wayland is that on crashes you'll always loose the session | 11:20 |
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| vvaltone | and the compositor/wm is always the session | 11:22 |
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| lcuk | vvaltone, that is the same as xorg then | 11:29 |
| vvaltone | not really | 11:31 |
| vvaltone | the window manager and compositor don't have to be the root processes | 11:32 |
| vvaltone | and that's pretty much the case in say .. gnome and kde | 11:32 |
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| niala | morning meego, sad day netbook broken :( I search a laptop... any idea? | 11:35 |
| niala | seems intel graphic are expensive | 11:36 |
| vvaltone | what? netbooks with intel graphics? | 11:37 |
| niala | laptop with true processor | 11:37 |
| beford | core i* sandy bridge? | 11:37 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, I am trying to use cobs to fix bug 13084 | 11:38 |
| lcuk | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Alcuk%3AlibXv_bug13084 | 11:38 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, carsten, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink | 11:38 |
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| niala | for now i think yes... sandy bridge is good? | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk, ok? | 11:39 |
| lcuk | I have so far made myself a cobs project with the name, and am going on the assumption the bug exists in libxv | 11:39 |
| niala | i think we need ati and nvidia for meego.. | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | i would assume it is in fbdev-sgx | 11:39 |
| lcuk | do you know how I import libxv into my project | 11:39 |
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| lcuk | ok reasonable then s/libxv/fbdev-sgx | 11:40 |
| vvaltone | doesn't the radeon drivers exist in meego then? | 11:40 |
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| lcuk | do I just have to click on "Create new package based on existing package " | 11:41 |
| niala | vvaltone, not yet. But maybe it's changed since lasts months ? | 11:41 |
| * lcuk is finding obs extremely complex :$ | 11:41 | |
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| vvaltone | lcuk, I think it's just cumbersome | 11:43 |
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| lcuk | vvaltone, yeah, I am really impressed by streamlining jaffa and lardman|gone and co have put into http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS | 11:44 |
| lcuk | which does simplify many of the steps | 11:44 |
| lcuk | but actually importing existing project and finding code to use is tough | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: MeeGo.com:MeeGo:1.2:non-oss | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | xorg-x11-drv-fbdev | 11:45 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, is the source code there though? | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx i mean | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:45 |
| lcuk | why is it in non-oss then? | 11:46 |
| vvaltone | perhaps it's not Free | 11:47 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, I added repositories already: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=home%3Alcuk%3AlibXv_bug13084 | 11:47 |
| niala | n900 usb broken ; netbook broken --> result meego is over for me.... ? | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: because it builds against sgx headers | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: which cannot be in oss | 11:48 |
| niala | I know you don't care.. but I m sad... | 11:49 |
| lcuk | niala, what are you typing on now? | 11:49 |
| niala | desktop dualcore and ati | 11:50 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, that is reasonable, does that mean I cannot import that project into my repository to do some code testing? | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: yes, branch from that repo plus pkg | 11:50 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, allMorning, all | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 11:54 |
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| niala | seriously nobody have install meego on nvidia or ati? opengl not compatible | 11:55 |
| lcuk | morning Jaffa \o | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | niala: there is a guide on forums | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | for nvidia | 11:55 |
| lbt | morning Jaffa | 11:55 |
| lbt | morning Stskeeps | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | mrn lbt | 11:56 |
| * lbt is wondering why his irc client doesn't auto-complete mor<tab> to morning.... | 11:56 | |
| lbt | I must need more cof<tab> | 11:56 |
| vvaltone | using the open drivers with ati should work fine too | 11:58 |
| vvaltone | but never tried | 11:58 |
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| vvaltone | they also have some slight issues with heat | 11:58 |
| niala | vvaltone, when i see atihd on my fedora i doubt about meego. | 12:00 |
| vvaltone | that might be the radeonhd driver, which is more or less dead | 12:01 |
| vvaltone | but it wouldn't be very hard to build it for meego | 12:01 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, the meego1.2 project has no packages https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=MeeGo%3A1.2 | 12:08 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, is that package (xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx) on gitorious anywhere | 12:26 |
| lcuk | I cannot even find it inside obs web interface | 12:26 |
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| lcuk | [MeeGo-dev] fbdev-sgx Bug Fixing, OBS, Branching and patch guidance reqd http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-July/483774.html | 12:32 |
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| niala | ohh a list of ban ?? | 12:47 |
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| vvaltone | huh? | 12:47 |
| vvaltone | that was a netsplit | 12:47 |
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| dm8tbr | just netsplit | 12:47 |
| lardman | morning | 12:48 |
| niala | adams.freenode.net active le mode +q #meego HoCok!*@* | 12:48 |
| niala | etc etc | 12:48 |
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| vvaltone | niala, oh, it might just have synced the status | 12:48 |
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| dm8tbr | yes thats why it said the server name not nick | 12:48 |
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| dm8tbr | just a mode sync | 12:49 |
| niala | ahhh ok | 12:49 |
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| dm8tbr | looks like a full reboot of the freenode network | 12:50 |
| dm8tbr | or some major servers/hubs | 12:50 |
| niala | adams.freenode.net met un ban sur *!*pupnik@*.t-dialin.net | 12:51 |
| niala | adams is a joker | 12:51 |
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| seif | hey guys | 12:52 |
| seif | i just got an n950 | 12:52 |
| seif | i want to ask | 12:52 |
| seif | how do i exit an app | 12:52 |
| mcfrisk | long press on the task switcher? | 12:53 |
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| seif | mcfrisk, where is the task switcher | 12:53 |
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| andre__ | seif, swipe to the right? | 12:54 |
| andre__ | or read the manual first? :-D | 12:54 |
| andre__ | or ctrl+backspace | 12:55 |
| lcuk | andre__, how would same person with N9 manage it? | 12:55 |
| andre__ | lcuk, don't know, no N9 here | 12:55 |
| seif | andre__, i cant find anything in the manual about a taks switcher | 12:56 |
| seif | the n950 comes only with a usb cable and a "Quick Guide" | 12:56 |
| andre__ | I see... | 12:56 |
| vvaltone | maybe there's a user manual on nokia website | 12:56 |
| vvaltone | for n9 | 12:56 |
| andre__ | actually it's ↗ and ← | 12:56 |
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| seif | how can i do it without it? | 12:57 |
| andre__ | without what? | 12:57 |
| seif | how can i swtich without having to have the keyboard out | 12:57 |
| mcfrisk | swipe? | 12:58 |
| seif | left right ? | 12:58 |
| iekku | seif, try to swipe to the screen where's all open applications visible | 12:58 |
| andre__ | swipe, as said. | 12:58 |
| iekku | close it from there | 12:58 |
| iekku | next | 12:58 |
| seif | iekku, i openeed calculator | 12:58 |
| seif | now i want to get out of the calculator screen | 12:58 |
| seif | i cant do that | 12:58 |
| iekku | seif, swipe | 12:58 |
| seif | ah | 12:58 |
| seif | ok | 12:58 |
| seif | swipe up | 12:59 |
| iekku | in N9 there was a fast tutorial when first time booted the device up | 12:59 |
| iekku | wasn't any in the N950? | 12:59 |
| seif | no | 12:59 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, I see you have https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Astskeeps%3Abranches%3AMeeGo.com%3AMeeGo%3A1.2%3Anon-oss did you use console to clone this repository? (I note a few other users have too) | 13:06 |
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| seif | this is nice | 13:11 |
| seif | is there a way to suse skype | 13:11 |
| seif | ? | 13:11 |
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| vvaltone | talk about weird crash, it traces to qMalloc(size=530)->malloc->libc->segfault | 13:14 |
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| * lcuk ignores obs and tried on device development instead to try and fix bug | 13:18 | |
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| vvaltone | lcuk, you can also use chroot | 13:20 |
| lcuk | vvaltone, i just want to fix a bug | 13:21 |
| lcuk | I have been scratching my head about how to get OBS up and running | 13:21 |
| vvaltone | just fixing a bug... you make it sound so simple ;P | 13:21 |
| vvaltone | atleast after I spent the whole last week fixing one bug | 13:22 |
| lcuk | when it might be slower but I will get development packages and code on my n900-ce | 13:22 |
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| lcuk | vvaltone, sounds familiar | 13:22 |
| vvaltone | I'd never use n900 to build stuff | 13:23 |
| lcuk | http://bc.tech.coop/blog/images/curves.jpg | 13:23 |
| lcuk | vvaltone, the n810 and n900 have long been stable development environments for the small simple code I need | 13:23 |
| lcuk | but this isn't my code | 13:23 |
| hena | lol at the emacs curve | 13:23 |
| vvaltone | where's the comparison to amount of features mastered? :P | 13:24 |
| lcuk | hena, I laughed too, but make;make install/scratchbox/autobuilder/qt/obs are similar | 13:24 |
| vvaltone | why qt?-) | 13:25 |
| lcuk | vvaltone, symbian development from linux | 13:25 |
| lcuk | and all the various devkits and sdks required | 13:26 |
| lcuk | it is not trivial | 13:26 |
| vvaltone | what's this symbian thing? ;P | 13:26 |
| lcuk | vvaltone, it is that OS used on a squillion more phones at this point | 13:26 |
| lcuk | and there is little point in writing Qt apps for just one OS | 13:27 |
| vvaltone | not true | 13:27 |
| lcuk | when you can for small amounts of tweaking and thinking support most of those too | 13:27 |
| vvaltone | there's lots of points in writing Qt apps for just one OS | 13:27 |
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| vvaltone | mostly because it's a nice api | 13:27 |
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| lcuk | vvaltone, if your qt code is written nice and carefully then your market can expand easily :) | 13:28 |
| vvaltone | no, not really | 13:28 |
| vvaltone | I don't actually sell them | 13:29 |
| mcfrisk | build.pub.m.c, anyone know why this build seems stuck https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=qpid-cpp&project=home%3Amcfrisk%3Abranches%3AMeeGo.com%3ATools%3ATesting&repository=Debian_6.0 | 13:29 |
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| lcuk | mcfrisk, the obs web interface froze for a good 10 minutes just earlier | 13:30 |
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| mcfrisk | ok, is it coming back to life? | 13:33 |
| vvaltone | eventually | 13:34 |
| vvaltone | sometimes strange things happen in obs | 13:35 |
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| mcfrisk | indeed | 13:36 |
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| seif | this phone is awesome | 13:42 |
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| Jaffa | seif: Which one? | 13:45 |
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| seif | Jade n950 | 13:58 |
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| seif | still needs some tweaks | 13:58 |
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| seif | n900 was easier to set up | 13:58 |
| seif | especially with accounts | 13:58 |
| seif | where is skype | 13:58 |
| seif | ? | 13:58 |
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| seif | guys | 14:08 |
| seif | i am facing this issue | 14:08 |
| seif | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?226389-What-is-this-SDK-in-MyDocs-SDK-on-N950 | 14:08 |
| seif | i get Code: | 14:08 |
| seif | Could not fetch Updates.xml: Error downloading http://repository.meego.nokia.com/meegosdk/45F4AE4C67B0406F90EEE94EA5ABE69A/linux/32bit/Updates.xml - server replied: Bad Request | 14:08 |
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| thiago | seif: unfortunately, we're not equipped to handle harmattan issues | 14:20 |
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| seif | hmmmmmmmmm | 14:21 |
| seif | thiago, so what | 14:21 |
| seif | can i do to get the sdk installed | 14:21 |
| seif | i dont really think i need it as long as i have ssh | 14:21 |
| thiago | meaning that you should post on that thread on nokia's website. We are ill-equipped to help you in this channel. | 14:22 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=qualcomm_snapdragon_mdp&num=1 | 14:26 |
| CosmoHill | looks nice but insanely expsensive | 14:26 |
| niala | hello CosmoHill | 14:27 |
| CosmoHill | hi niala | 14:27 |
| vvaltone | CosmoHill, and it doesn't have a radio, except wifi | 14:28 |
| vvaltone | the 13MPix camera is pretty ridiculous also | 14:28 |
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| CosmoHill | I thought it does | 14:32 |
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| TheBootroo | hello | 14:32 |
| TheBootroo | just received the nokia N950 shipment mail confirmation | 14:33 |
| TheBootroo | should receive it this week | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Congrats. | 14:33 |
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| hena | i guess you need to send it back immediately? ;) | 14:34 |
| TheBootroo | was wondering, does N950 have bumped screen glass ? because in some videos from fone arena review (http://www.fonearena.com/blog/40638/exclusive-the-epic-nokia-n950-hands-on.html) i think i saw a rounded highlight on the screen so it means its not flat isn't it ? | 14:34 |
| TheBootroo | hena: never | 14:34 |
| TheBootroo | "RELEASE THE NOKIA !" ->> "NEVEEER§§" | 14:35 |
| hena | you know they just called all of them back :) | 14:35 |
| TheBootroo | hena: no | 14:35 |
| hena | yep | 14:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | citation needed | 14:36 |
| vvaltone | why is it 'epic'? | 14:37 |
| TheBootroo | vvaltone: biggest N950 handson with videos and pictures outta there | 14:37 |
| TheBootroo | Epic enough 4 me | 14:37 |
| Jaffa | TheBootroo: The screen of the N950 is flat, unlike the N9 | 14:37 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: sure ? so where these rounded apperance comes from ? | 14:38 |
| vvaltone | there's a guy here who has one | 14:38 |
| TheBootroo | vvaltone: more than one right now | 14:38 |
| vvaltone | I mean in the place I sit at :P | 14:38 |
| TheBootroo | vvaltone: there must be 10 or 20 guys right here with a N950 | 14:38 |
| TheBootroo | vvaltone: oh oh ok right | 14:39 |
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| Jaffa | TheBootroo: I dunno where the rounded appearance comes from (I know what you mean), but I've just looked at my N950 edge on :-p | 14:39 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: N950 are being sent from finland true ? | 14:39 |
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| Jaffa | TheBootroo: Mine was. Others are. So "probably" | 14:39 |
| CosmoHill | vvaltone: unless he's sitting on your lap, I don't think he sits there | 14:40 |
| Jaffa | TheBootroo: OK, mine bends downwards slightly at top & bottom, but doesn't curve anywhere near as much as the N9 | 14:40 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: i'm in france (lyon) so, given that it has been sent this morning, it should arrive into 2 days | 14:40 |
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| vvaltone | 2 days is optimistic unless it's a courier | 14:40 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: i know N9 is really bumped, but i was sure N950 was a little two | 14:40 |
| CosmoHill | why aren't the touch screens flat? | 14:41 |
| vvaltone | You know how google said their concave surface was so it's easier to speak? the bumped nokias are so it's harder to speak into them ;P | 14:41 |
| TheBootroo | vvaltone: here thurdsay is nationnal day, so no shipment that day, so if i dont arrive wednesday, ill have to wait newt monday | 14:41 |
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| cmantito | hey folks, many of you in here using Meego Netbook or is everyone using Meego for phones? :P | 14:46 |
| vvaltone | MeeGo Tablet ofcourse | 14:48 |
| * rzr on n950 | 14:48 | |
| CosmoHill | Windows 7 | 14:48 |
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| CosmoHill | er I mean MeeGo on Desktop >.> | 14:49 |
| vvaltone | CosmoHill, really? | 14:49 |
| vvaltone | never saw the desktop edition ;P | 14:49 |
| berndhs | MeeGo on desktop would be useful as a build host | 14:50 |
| cmantito | haha | 14:50 |
| CosmoHill | it's just the notebook edition | 14:50 |
| CosmoHill | *netbook | 14:50 |
| cmantito | well I was just wondering if anyone can recommend some good respositories to add for software, or should we really just compile everything from source? | 14:50 |
| berndhs | real men compile from source :) | 14:51 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 14:51 |
| CosmoHill | wait, you're only saying that cos you did CLFS | 14:51 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: did you get any software update OTA since i have the device ? | 14:51 |
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| berndhs | i'm also making my own installer :) | 14:51 |
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| CosmoHill | berndhs: for CLFS? | 14:52 |
| berndhs | for meego | 14:52 |
| CosmoHill | ooo | 14:52 |
| berndhs | the anaconda forked one is going away in favour of a simple one, which doesnt do what I need | 14:52 |
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| berndhs | so I'm forking the simple shell based installer they have | 14:53 |
| CosmoHill | i made an installer for LFS long ago | 14:57 |
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| berndhs | what they are doing with sfdisk is really painful | 14:58 |
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| berndhs | not their fault, sfdisk sucks | 14:59 |
| CosmoHill | that would explain the S | 14:59 |
| berndhs | yes probably | 14:59 |
| seif | is there a way to ssh connect to the meego phone or so | 15:00 |
| seif | ? | 15:00 |
| berndhs | it wants to align things on cylinder boundaries for one thing | 15:00 |
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| CosmoHill | seif: yes, you can do it over the wifi or usb-netowrking | 15:02 |
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| berndhs | seif: if you have sshd running on the phone you can ssh into it | 15:02 |
| seif | berndhs, how do i get sshd on the phone | 15:02 |
| berndhs | seif: install openssh-server | 15:03 |
| seif | berndhs, is ssh the default way of connecting with the phone | 15:04 |
| seif | ? | 15:04 |
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| berndhs | seif: dunno, default way is probly phone company :) | 15:05 |
| CosmoHill | the default way would to be phyically use the phone | 15:05 |
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| CosmoHill | ooo, I didn't get charged for 2 minutes for a 1:03 call | 15:08 |
| berndhs | what will you do with all the money ? | 15:10 |
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| CosmoHill | if I was on my old network, quiet a lto | 15:10 |
| CosmoHill | lot* | 15:10 |
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| luist | is there any chance that meego would include PyQt in their repo? i compiled my own but i hate packaging this stuff | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | isn't pyside more supported? | 15:15 |
| thiago | I think there's a good chance that PySide is accepted | 15:15 |
| smhar | you mean meego does not include PyQt?! | 15:16 |
| thiago | I'm pretty sure PySide is already there | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: not sure its in trunk, but tere is a well maintained project for it | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | built for meego | 15:17 |
| seif | thiago, can you walk me through connecting to the meego phone | 15:18 |
| seif | ? | 15:18 |
| thiago | seif: no | 15:18 |
| seif | :( | 15:18 |
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| luist | thiago, pyside includes PyQt? | 15:19 |
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| thiago | luist: no | 15:21 |
| Andy80 | hi all | 15:21 |
| thiago | PySide is a different project providing Python bindings for Qt | 15:21 |
| luist | thiago, would the code made for PyQt work with PySide? | 15:23 |
| thiago | yes, they are source compatible | 15:23 |
| seif | huh | 15:24 |
| seif | why am i banned from #meego-dev | 15:24 |
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| Stskeeps | its closed | 15:24 |
| seif | ah | 15:24 |
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| seif | i have openssh-server installed | 15:24 |
| seif | i can ged sshd running though | 15:25 |
| CosmoHill | do you know the ip of your phone? | 15:25 |
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| seif | yes | 15:26 |
| CosmoHill | port scan it | 15:26 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: you should adjust the path of qml files in your libre.fm client. I've tested it on Desktop and real device I get the same error: librefm.qml: File not found | 15:26 |
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| Elleo | Andy80: there are two paths in the source file, one I use when running locally and one for when it's installed system wide | 15:27 |
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| Elleo | Andy80: I need to make that an ifdef based thing at some point | 15:28 |
| Elleo | but other than that it depends on what directory you're running from if you're doing it locally | 15:28 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: uhm... strange... I mean, on real device it fails :\ have you tested it there? | 15:28 |
| Elleo | Andy80: don't have the device yet | 15:28 |
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| Andy80 | Elleo: ok, I hope you get it soon then :) | 15:29 |
| Elleo | you'd need to uncomment the DATAPATH + "/librefm.qml" | 15:29 |
| luist | thiago, any idea if either are going to be officially supported? | 15:29 |
| Elleo | instead of the one that's just "src/librefm.qml" | 15:29 |
| Elleo | then build the deb and install it | 15:29 |
| thiago | luist: if you ask and give a reason, I don't see why not | 15:29 |
| Elleo | otherwise if you're doing it locally on the device you need to make sure you're running it from outside of the src directory | 15:29 |
| Elleo | so you're running ./src/librefm | 15:29 |
| luist | thiago, ok and where do i ask :) | 15:30 |
| Andy80 | let me try :) | 15:30 |
| Elleo | "by locally on the device" I mean without installing it systemwide | 15:30 |
| thiago | luist: meego-dev | 15:31 |
| Elleo | apparently mine is out for delivery some time today, so I'll probably finish putting everything together and start releasing packages for it over the next week or so | 15:31 |
| seif | CosmoHill, ok got it | 15:32 |
| seif | CosmoHill, what is the "username" for it | 15:32 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: yes, it runs :) | 15:32 |
| Elleo | :) | 15:32 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: just a strange thing... I see two system bar on top... I mean the one with the text "Developer Edition", with time, battery ecc... probably a system wide bug, not your bug | 15:33 |
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| Andy80 | I don't know how to take a screenshot else I would show it | 15:34 |
| Elleo | odd | 15:34 |
| Elleo | well I'll have a device to test with soon enough ;) | 15:34 |
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| luist | thiago, cant join the channel... says im banned :P even tho i never joined it b4 | 15:36 |
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| CosmoHill | seif: root | 15:37 |
| CosmoHill | the password is "meego" | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | #meego-dev is closed | 15:37 |
| the-boss | Stskeeps: Error: "meego-dev" is not a valid command. | 15:37 |
| CosmoHill | I think you can also use "meego / meego" | 15:37 |
| lucazade | hi! is it available emgd driver for kernel 3.0 and xorg 1.10 ? | 15:37 |
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| seif | CosmoHill, | 15:37 |
| seif | ssh root@192.168.0.112 | 15:37 |
| seif | root@192.168.0.112's password: | 15:37 |
| seif | it tell me password wrong | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: n950 doesnt run meego.com | 15:38 |
| seif | Stskeeps, what does it run then | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | seif: harmattan | 15:38 |
| seif | Stskeeps, ok how do i connect via ssh | 15:39 |
| seif | ? | 15:39 |
| CosmoHill | seif: on the device you could type "sudo -s" and "passwd", this should ask you for a new password for the root user | 15:39 |
| CosmoHill | better yet type "whoami" and "passwd" | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | dunno, ask on nokia developer forums | 15:39 |
| CosmoHill | this will set the password for your current user but I don't know if that will break anything | 15:39 |
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| luist | Stskeeps, ok how do i ask stuff in #meego-dev if its closed :) | 15:43 |
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| Stskeeps | luist: meego-dev@ mailing list, probably | 15:44 |
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| thiago | luist: the mailing list | 15:44 |
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| seif | got it | 15:49 |
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| seif | Stskeeps, CosmoHill the username is "developer" the passwrod can be found under "SDK connectivity" | 15:49 |
| CosmoHill | cool | 15:49 |
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| Jaffa | seif: The default N950 root password is the same as all versions of Maemo to-date: 'rootme' | 15:53 |
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| Jaffa | seif: 'devel-su' is the equivalent of 'sudo gainroot' | 15:53 |
| seif | Jaffa, awesome | 15:53 |
| seif | any ideas where I can get pyside | 15:54 |
| seif | is there pyside-mobility for the meego | 15:54 |
| Jaffa | seif: I've put root access into http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950 | 15:54 |
| lizardo | seif: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/PySide_Binaries_MeeGo | 15:55 |
| Jaffa | seif: PySide is installed by default, AIUI. | 15:55 |
| Jaffa | seif: If not, apt-get should find them | 15:55 |
| seif | awesome | 15:55 |
| Jaffa | seif: If not, ask thp | 15:56 |
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| lizardo | seif: supposing you meant "Meego 1.2 Harmattan" , it has PySide by default (AFAIK) | 15:56 |
| lizardo | just like Jaffa said :) | 15:56 |
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| seif | yes | 15:56 |
| seif | thanks guys | 15:56 |
| seif | sadly i can only connect via wlan | 15:57 |
| seif | its not working over usb | 15:57 |
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| seif | ok this is going pretty well | 16:14 |
| seif | guys any1 here know if there is geoclue for harmattan anywherE? | 16:14 |
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| thiago | seif: use what's there already | 16:16 |
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| seif | well this means i have to rewrite my app to use the qt location service | 16:16 |
| thiago | yes | 16:17 |
| berndhs | it will be fun :) | 16:17 |
| seif | berndhs, so there is not geoclue? | 16:17 |
| berndhs | i have no idea | 16:17 |
| berndhs | but programming with Qt is usually pretty painless | 16:18 |
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| seif | yeah | 16:18 |
| seif | i am on it | 16:18 |
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| jonwil | programming QT may be painless but trying to understand all the stuff that goes on underneath all those macros and templates and helpers can be a pain :P | 16:26 |
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| berndhs | i often wish the signal/slot API really were as asynchronous as it looks | 16:27 |
| thiago | jonwil: don't try then :-) | 16:30 |
| seif | is harmattan using deb files or rpm | 16:30 |
| jonwil | I need to understand it if I am going to reverse engineer libcellular-qt :P | 16:30 |
| jonwil | Harmattan uses dep | 16:30 |
| jonwil | deb | 16:30 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, synchronous in process? | 16:31 |
| berndhs | synchronous as in blocking function calls, that's usually what it does | 16:32 |
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| thiago | berndhs: connect with QueuedConnection | 16:32 |
| berndhs | thiago: yes i know | 16:32 |
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| lcuk | :D seeing n950 images on the MeeGo-ce repository o_O :D | 16:38 |
| lcuk | http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.7.20110708.2.DE.2011-07-11.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n950-ce-stable/ | 16:38 |
| lcuk | who is gonna be first to test them :D | 16:38 |
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| timoph | lcuk: afaik all the needed bits aren't open yet | 16:44 |
| jonwil | what needed bits would that be? | 16:45 |
| timoph | moslo | 16:46 |
| seif | hey guys | 16:46 |
| jonwil | yeah I think I heard that Nokia will be releasing a bootloader or something that can boot unsigned kernels | 16:46 |
| seif | /home/developer/raptor-1.4.21 # sh autogen.sh --prefix=/usr | 16:46 |
| seif | autogen.sh: Looking for programs: automake aclocal autoconf autoheader libtoolize gtkdocize | 16:46 |
| seif | autogen.sh: automake program '' V 0 (min 011100) in | 16:46 |
| seif | autogen.sh: ERROR: You must have `automake' installed to compile this package. | 16:46 |
| seif | (version 011100 or newer is required) | 16:46 |
| seif | --- | 16:46 |
| seif | where do i find raptor-utils | 16:47 |
| seif | ? | 16:47 |
| seif | i mean where do i find automake | 16:47 |
| timoph | seif: please use pastebin etc | 16:47 |
| seif | ok sorry | 16:47 |
| seif | timoph, http://pastebin.com/GBntVAbA | 16:47 |
| seif | ^ | 16:47 |
| thiago | seif: not included in the Harmattan App SDK | 16:47 |
| thiago | seif: you need the Platform SDK | 16:47 |
| timoph | anyway looks like you're missing automake | 16:47 |
| seif | thiago, i am runnong over ssh | 16:47 |
| seif | so how do i get that in | 16:48 |
| thiago | seif: have you tried installing via apt-get? | 16:48 |
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| seif | thiago, E: Couldn't find package automake | 16:49 |
| thiago | seif: then you need the Platform SDK | 16:49 |
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| thiago | I don't think it's released. | 16:49 |
| thiago | please stick with Qt and qmake for the moment | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | harmattan-dev.nokia.com or something | 16:49 |
| timoph | scratchbox is out | 16:49 |
| thiago | oh, didn't know that | 16:50 |
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| lcuk | timoph, do we know if that n950 image actually boots up? | 16:57 |
| seif | thiago, i found raptor-utils for maemo and another for the meego 1.1 | 17:00 |
| seif | can i use one of them | 17:00 |
| seif | ? | 17:00 |
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| thiago | seif: no | 17:01 |
| thiago | seif: use the harmattan scratchbox | 17:01 |
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| luist | doesnt meego 1.2 understand %{py_sitedir} anymore on my spec files? | 17:03 |
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| seif | thiago, the harmattan scratchbox has issues running here | 17:16 |
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| thiago | seif: then fix them | 17:16 |
| seif | so is there a way to have the buildtools on the n950 | 17:16 |
| thiago | but I won't be able to help them | 17:16 |
| thiago | build *on* the device? | 17:16 |
| seif | yeah | 17:16 |
| seif | i want to use automake on the device | 17:16 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, good luck | 17:17 |
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| seif | :( | 17:17 |
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| seif | thiago, are there repos where i can get the uild-tools | 17:25 |
| seif | ? | 17:25 |
| seif | s/uild/build | 17:25 |
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| thiago | seif: I don't know | 17:31 |
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| gabrbedd | The meego SDK installer uses an application called `binarycreator` to create the user install program. Anybody know *what* that is? | 17:43 |
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| gabrbedd | ...and on a related note... has anyone made the MeeGo SDK work on Ubuntu 11.04 ? | 17:49 |
| dm8tbr | gabrbedd: this? https://www.qt.gitorious.org/qt-labs/installer-framework/trees/master/installerbuilder/binarycreator | 17:51 |
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| gabrbedd | dm8tbr: thank you. | 17:54 |
| dm8tbr | np | 17:55 |
| dm8tbr | located that thing for Aard the other week already :) | 17:55 |
| dm8tbr | I suspect he had the same problem | 17:56 |
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| dm8tbr | gabrbedd: let me guess, the sdk installer bombs out with an unhelpful message? | 17:56 |
| gabrbedd | dm8tbr: yes, strike 1. But there appears to be a fix on the release1.2 branch. | 17:58 |
| rzr | Jaffa: the future custom rom is here : http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=rdp#more | 17:58 |
| gabrbedd | dm8tbr: then strike 2 is that when you manually load the repos and packages, Qt Creator doesn't work. | 17:58 |
| dm8tbr | that sounds quite familiar, indeed | 17:59 |
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| gabrbedd | dm8tbr: so, I was looking to roll my own installer... to see if maybe there was some step I missed. | 18:01 |
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| dm8tbr | gabrbedd: if this is the same what Aard had it's a script failing somewhere in the bowels of the installer that returns 'Your foo bar baz distro is currently unsupported' instead of what the installer script asked for | 18:04 |
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| lcuk | alterego, what are you working on atm? | 18:17 |
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| alterego | lcuk: right now? Nothing :P | 18:20 |
| alterego | I'm about to go out to get my gf from the train station | 18:20 |
| lcuk | heh | 18:20 |
| alterego | Otherwise Columbus, I got side tracked away from coding for a few weeks whilst I was doing some firefighting for a client. | 18:20 |
| alterego | And have had some crappy personal issues to deal with as well :/ | 18:21 |
| alterego | Not been to productive tbh. | 18:21 |
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| lcuk | alterego, ditto | 18:23 |
| lcuk | but I said last time we met that we should arrange another meetup | 18:23 |
| alterego | Anyway, I gotta blast, bbiab | 18:23 |
| lcuk | \o later | 18:23 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: not looking very hard, http://maemo.org/profile/view/mairas/ | 18:26 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: It doesn't help that SD69 spelt his name wrong :-p | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't, no | 18:28 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 18:28 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: fixing | 18:31 |
| Jaffa | Thanks | 18:31 |
| javier | moin | 18:32 |
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| javier | one question... qt-devel-tools == libqt4-devel (openSUSE)? | 18:33 |
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| andre__ | javier: normally not | 18:36 |
| javier | ah, it's libqt-devel | 18:39 |
| gabrbedd | javier: FWIW, things like this work: sudo zypper install -C "pkgconfig(QtCore)" | 18:40 |
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| javier | ok | 18:41 |
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| javier | I'm trying to build strigidaemon with clucene support | 18:41 |
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| luist | can anyone help me pack PyQt4 for Meego?? PySide is giving me a lot of problems and has some bugs :T | 18:55 |
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| lizardo | luist: are you testing on a N950 ? or on N900 running Meego 1.2 ? | 19:10 |
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| Stskeeps | indeed | 20:21 |
| lcuk | hm strange, i was running a qml app a few times from the console | 20:21 |
| lcuk | and is there a memory leak in it? | 20:21 |
| lcuk | because after a few iterations the UI stopped working and needed to be rebooted | 20:21 |
| lcuk | (I was debugging bug 20099) | 20:22 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20099 nor, High, ---, marko.saukko, NEW, [CE] Calculator crashes after pressing any button and then "." . | 20:22 |
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| luist | is smart packaged for meego? | 21:59 |
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| lcuk | fixing qml bugs on device is awesome | 22:06 |
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| andyross | lcuk: It really is. Twice now I've been able to show people stuck on a bug how to hot-patch their way around it without having to train them on how to upgrade an RPM or replace a repo. | 22:19 |
| Elleo | /50/50 | 22:21 |
| Elleo | oops | 22:21 |
| lcuk | andyross, I have been doing on device compilation for a long time, just the first time I did similar with qml | 22:21 |
| andyross | Yeah. I meant the case of someone who needs a workaround right now, but isn't comfortable with zypper/rpm handling (there are *lots* of existing "embedded linux developers" who fall into this camp). So I can't just point them at a private OBS repo. But they're more than capable of "drop this file on top of existing one" type instructions. | 22:23 |
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| auke | which is great for debugging | 22:24 |
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| andyross | I hear the sarcasm. But if it gets them past the current bug and on to the next one faster: yes, yes it is. :) | 22:25 |
| lcuk | andyross, try that with real users and you end up teaching them about howto gainroot and the linux filesystem and a load of other things | 22:26 |
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| lcuk | better is certainly to do it proper way providing you can get an update to them | 22:26 |
| lcuk | andyross, what apps do you maintain? | 22:27 |
| andyross | I maintain nothing (well, sensorfw-pegatron and a handful of other tiny exopc bits). I mostly chase bugs. | 22:28 |
| auke | andyross: I was actually being sincere. I hate to have to wait for an image release or a rpm merge before I can test something | 22:32 |
| andyross | Heh. Then oops: apologies. :) | 22:32 |
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| Andy80 | do you know if it's possible, when using QtCreator, to skip the package creation and deploy directly on the device (executable and qml files....) ? It would save me lot of time... | 22:36 |
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| andyross | You can certainly do that with rsync/scp and some judicious symlinks on the device when building via qmake. But I'm clueless about Qt Creator. | 22:38 |
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| zx2c4 | hey there | 22:41 |
| zx2c4 | anyone want to help me get the community edition of meego on my n950 | 22:41 |
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| dm8tbr | zx2c4: AFAIU that's not possible yet, or it may at least be challenging | 22:42 |
| zx2c4 | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N950 | 22:42 |
| zx2c4 | well theres this... | 22:42 |
| dm8tbr | moslo is not yet released | 22:42 |
| zx2c4 | but alas no release yet | 22:42 |
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| zx2c4 | what is moslo (googling now...) | 22:44 |
| zx2c4 | iim totally new to meego development | 22:44 |
| zx2c4 | dm8tbr: would you have any pointers on things to read to get started | 22:44 |
| zx2c4 | (im an experienced qt developer, but just havent worked with this hardware platform before) | 22:45 |
| dm8tbr | zx2c4: it's apparently a kexec based boot menu loader | 22:45 |
| zx2c4 | thats interesting | 22:46 |
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| dm8tbr | zx2c4: there's many people anxiously waiting for the CE to happen, I'm sure you won't miss it if you hang out here | 22:46 |
| zx2c4 | so the bootloader is its own lil linux kernel | 22:46 |
| zx2c4 | that boots into a child kernel? | 22:46 |
| Andy80 | zx2c4: the "Developer Program" is closed at the moment. Feel free to check in the next months and apply if it should be open again. | 22:46 |
| zx2c4 | Andy80: my n950 is sitting on my leg right now. | 22:47 |
| * dm8tbr blinks | 22:47 | |
| zx2c4 | ? | 22:47 |
| Andy80 | zx2c4: sorry, misundertood.... | 22:47 |
| dm8tbr | mine is still in a warehouse somewhere 'STatus: New Order' | 22:47 |
| zx2c4 | aa shucks | 22:47 |
| dm8tbr | zx2c4: the idea isn't new really. look at kexecboot | 22:48 |
| zx2c4 | aaa i see. cool. yea | 22:48 |
| dm8tbr | I have been fancying that for Archos devices for a while | 22:48 |
| dm8tbr | just didn't get kexec working :( | 22:48 |
| zx2c4 | :'( | 22:48 |
| zx2c4 | So im trying to figure out the setup of this device, how to get a good dev env up etc | 22:49 |
| zx2c4 | If i want to boot into a new system, what do i do | 22:49 |
| zx2c4 | what interfaces do i have to the partitions and whatnot | 22:49 |
| zx2c4 | im going to try and get my own minimal linux setup | 22:49 |
| zx2c4 | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/k/kernel/kernel_2.6.32-20112201+0m6.tar.gz compile that from scratch | 22:50 |
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| dm8tbr | zx2c4: keep in mind that this device has a lot of security features built in. that can be a problem at times | 22:52 |
| zx2c4 | the N950 is totally unlocked i thought | 22:52 |
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| dm8tbr | it has HS silicon and aegis is at least partially enabled | 22:53 |
| dm8tbr | so it at least needs an signed/open x-loader | 22:53 |
| dm8tbr | to be fully open | 22:54 |
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| berndhs | bash pogramming is messy | 23:09 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: that's why it's called "bash" and not "tickle" | 23:10 |
| Aard | berndhs: bash is for pussies. real man use bourne shell only. and write portable code for at least 3 commercial unix variants | 23:11 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 23:11 |
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| berndhs | Aard: bourne is the past man | 23:11 |
| berndhs | and the commercial types can pay me to rewrite it in their version :P | 23:12 |
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| berndhs | what's this: create_factory_snapshot () | 23:16 |
| berndhs | probably not worth doing if I dont have a factory | 23:16 |
| Bostik | Aard: POSIX_ME_HARDER=1, right? | 23:17 |
| Aard | Bostik: that would probably be korn shell ;) | 23:17 |
| Bostik | ew | 23:18 |
| Bostik | I've done my time with pdksh, that was bad enough | 23:19 |
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| Aard | POSIX only specifies ksh as shell. ksh is backwards compatible with bourne, though | 23:20 |
| berndhs | i'm trying to remember what I did in 1970 | 23:22 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, hi, how goes it? | 23:31 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: ping | 23:32 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: Allright... not bad. Vacation is over, though. :-/ | 23:59 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: yourself? | 23:59 |
| lcuk | new baby is keeping us busy | 23:59 |
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