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dyrverethe bcm4313 loses connection to the router alot with meego.00:23
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CosmoHillis that open or closed source?00:26
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dyrvereDon't know, I see there is the open-broadcom driver within the kernel but no idea to check what it is running.00:28
CosmoHilldid you have to install anything to get it working?00:29
dyrvereNo it's basically meego 1.2 fresh install AFAIK00:30
dyrverecompaq mini cq10-500so00:30
CosmoHillit will be open then00:31
dyrvereany firmware needed you think?00:33
dyrvereI ran it with win7 before but that was just not interesting enough :D00:33
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CosmoHilldyrvere: http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php could give that a go00:40
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dyrverethanks, I was just looking at that page searching if it's in the repos somewhere :p00:42
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* RzR950 http://rzr.online.fr/q/handset# : built and shared : rsync, tmux, git and other cli tools for #n950 #nokia #maemo #meego #harmattan #handset03:04
thiagoRzR950: this is not twitter03:05
thiagoRzR950: half of those channels don't exist03:05
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pklianghi all, does anyone know where to download meego-development-tools(Meego 1.2), i think it is a group of rpms08:17
pkliangI'm trying to fix Lan and Wifi driver problmes in my Meego system, so I need these tools to compile drivers08:17
sofarthere's a "packaging-tools" package08:18
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sofarwhich has dependencies on a lot of things08:18
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sofarcould be meego-packaging-tools08:18
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sofarhttp://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/repos/oss/ia32/packages/noarch/meego-packaging-tools-0.6-1.1.noarch.rpm08:24
pkliangthanks, sofar08:25
sofarbeware, that rpm depends on a bunch of packages from ../i586/08:25
pkliangOK08:26
sofaryou can see the dependencies here:08:27
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sofarhttp://tinyurl.com/6zbh4oy08:27
sofar(and, the dependencies in there have further requirements...)08:28
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pkliangyes, got it08:32
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arfollis there a workaround for mic2 and OBS repos with colons?11:00
arfollI can't believe after more than a year that bug is still around11:00
Stskeepswhat bug?11:01
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arfollStskeeps, seems you can't add repos with colons in the URL11:05
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Stskeepsah11:06
Stskeepsi never had issues with that, i think11:06
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arfollStskeeps, do you have an example ks with a repo.pub.meego.com URL?11:12
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Stskeepsarfoll: repo --name=wayland-trunk --baseurl=http://download.meego.com/live/home:/cvm:/branches:/wayland-stuff/Trunk/ --save\11:15
arfoll~$ sudo modprobe -r b43 ssb11:15
* arfoll woops11:15
arfollStskeeps, thanks i'll try again11:16
vvaltonewayland and lighthouse eh11:16
vvaltonehow well does that work?-)11:17
Stskeepsvvaltone: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/wayland/20110419_002.jpg11:17
vvaltonesweet11:18
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lcukmorning \o11:20
vvaltoneI guess the biggest issue with wayland is that on crashes you'll always loose the session11:20
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vvaltoneand the compositor/wm is always the session11:22
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lcukvvaltone, that is the same as xorg then11:29
vvaltonenot really11:31
vvaltonethe window manager and compositor don't have to be the root processes11:32
vvaltoneand that's pretty much the case in say .. gnome and kde11:32
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nialamorning meego, sad day netbook broken :(  I search a laptop... any idea?11:35
nialaseems intel graphic are expensive11:36
vvaltonewhat? netbooks with intel graphics?11:37
nialalaptop with true processor11:37
befordcore i* sandy bridge?11:37
lcukStskeeps, I am trying to use cobs to fix bug 1308411:38
lcukhttps://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Alcuk%3AlibXv_bug1308411:38
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, carsten, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink11:38
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nialafor now i think yes... sandy bridge is good?11:38
Stskeepslcuk, ok?11:39
lcukI have so far made myself a cobs project with the name, and am going on the assumption the bug exists in libxv11:39
nialai think we need ati and nvidia for meego..11:39
Stskeepsi would assume it is in fbdev-sgx11:39
lcukdo you know how I import libxv into my project11:39
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lcukok reasonable then s/libxv/fbdev-sgx11:40
vvaltonedoesn't the radeon drivers exist in meego then?11:40
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lcukdo I just have to click on "Create new package based on existing package "11:41
nialavvaltone, not yet. But maybe it's changed since lasts months ?11:41
* lcuk is finding obs extremely complex :$11:41
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vvaltonelcuk, I think it's just cumbersome11:43
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lcukvvaltone, yeah, I am really impressed by streamlining jaffa and lardman|gone and co have put into http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS11:44
lcukwhich does simplify many of the steps11:44
lcukbut actually importing existing project and finding code to use is tough11:45
Stskeepslcuk: MeeGo.com:MeeGo:1.2:non-oss11:45
Stskeepsxorg-x11-drv-fbdev11:45
lcukStskeeps, is the source code there though?11:45
Stskeepsxorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx i mean11:45
Stskeepsyes11:45
lcukwhy is it in non-oss then?11:46
vvaltoneperhaps it's not Free11:47
lcukStskeeps, I added repositories already: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=home%3Alcuk%3AlibXv_bug1308411:47
nialan900 usb broken ; netbook broken --> result meego is over for me.... ?11:48
Stskeepslcuk: because it builds against sgx headers11:48
Stskeepslcuk: which cannot be in oss11:48
nialaI know you don't care.. but I m sad...11:49
lcukniala, what are you typing on now?11:49
nialadesktop dualcore and  ati11:50
lcukStskeeps, that is reasonable, does that mean I cannot import that project into my repository to do some code testing?11:50
Stskeepslcuk: yes, branch from that repo plus pkg11:50
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JaffaMorning, allMorning, all11:53
Stskeepsmorn11:54
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nialaseriously nobody have install meego on nvidia or ati? opengl not compatible11:55
lcukmorning Jaffa \o11:55
Stskeepsniala: there is a guide on forums11:55
Stskeepsfor nvidia11:55
lbtmorning Jaffa11:55
lbtmorning Stskeeps11:56
Stskeepsmrn lbt11:56
* lbt is wondering why his irc client doesn't auto-complete mor<tab> to morning....11:56
lbtI must need more cof<tab>11:56
vvaltoneusing the open drivers with ati should work fine too11:58
vvaltonebut never tried11:58
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vvaltonethey also have some slight issues with heat11:58
nialavvaltone, when i see atihd on my fedora i doubt about meego.12:00
vvaltonethat might be the radeonhd driver, which is more or less dead12:01
vvaltonebut it wouldn't be very hard to build it for meego12:01
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lcukStskeeps, the meego1.2 project has no packages https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=MeeGo%3A1.212:08
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lcukStskeeps, is that package (xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx) on gitorious anywhere12:26
lcukI cannot even find it inside obs web interface12:26
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lcuk[MeeGo-dev] fbdev-sgx Bug Fixing, OBS, Branching and patch guidance reqd        http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-July/483774.html12:32
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nialaohh a list of ban ??12:47
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vvaltonehuh?12:47
vvaltonethat was a netsplit12:47
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dm8tbrjust netsplit12:47
lardmanmorning12:48
nialaadams.freenode.net active le mode +q #meego HoCok!*@*12:48
nialaetc etc12:48
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vvaltoneniala, oh, it might just have synced the status12:48
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dm8tbryes thats why it said the server name not nick12:48
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dm8tbrjust a mode sync12:49
nialaahhh ok12:49
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dm8tbrlooks like a full reboot of the freenode network12:50
dm8tbror some major servers/hubs12:50
nialaadams.freenode.net met un ban sur *!*pupnik@*.t-dialin.net12:51
nialaadams is a joker12:51
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seifhey guys12:52
seifi just got an n95012:52
seifi want to ask12:52
seifhow do i exit an app12:52
mcfrisklong press on the task switcher?12:53
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seifmcfrisk, where is the task switcher12:53
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andre__seif, swipe to the right?12:54
andre__or read the manual first? :-D12:54
andre__or ctrl+backspace12:55
lcukandre__, how would same person with N9 manage it?12:55
andre__lcuk, don't know, no N9 here12:55
seifandre__, i cant find anything in the manual about a taks switcher12:56
seifthe n950 comes only with a usb cable and a "Quick Guide"12:56
andre__I see...12:56
vvaltonemaybe there's a user manual on nokia website12:56
vvaltonefor n912:56
andre__actually it's ↗ and ←12:56
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seifhow can i do it without it?12:57
andre__without what?12:57
seifhow can i swtich without having to have the keyboard out12:57
mcfriskswipe?12:58
seifleft right ?12:58
iekkuseif, try to swipe to the screen where's all open applications visible12:58
andre__swipe, as said.12:58
iekkuclose it from there12:58
iekkunext12:58
seifiekku, i openeed calculator12:58
seifnow i want to get out of the calculator screen12:58
seifi cant do that12:58
iekkuseif, swipe12:58
seifah12:58
seifok12:58
seifswipe up12:59
iekkuin N9 there was a fast tutorial when first time booted the device up12:59
iekkuwasn't any in the N950?12:59
seifno12:59
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lcukStskeeps, I see you have https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Astskeeps%3Abranches%3AMeeGo.com%3AMeeGo%3A1.2%3Anon-oss  did you use console to clone this repository?  (I note a few other users have too)13:06
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seifthis is nice13:11
seifis there a way to suse skype13:11
seif?13:11
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vvaltonetalk about weird crash, it traces to qMalloc(size=530)->malloc->libc->segfault13:14
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* lcuk ignores obs and tried on device development instead to try and fix bug13:18
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vvaltonelcuk, you can also use chroot13:20
lcukvvaltone, i just want to fix a bug13:21
lcukI have been scratching my head about how to get OBS up and running13:21
vvaltonejust fixing a bug... you make it sound so simple ;P13:21
vvaltoneatleast after I spent the whole last week fixing one bug13:22
lcukwhen it might be slower but I will get development packages and code on my n900-ce13:22
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lcukvvaltone, sounds familiar13:22
vvaltoneI'd never use n900 to build stuff13:23
lcukhttp://bc.tech.coop/blog/images/curves.jpg13:23
lcukvvaltone, the n810 and n900 have long been stable development environments for the small simple code I need13:23
lcukbut this isn't my code13:23
henalol at the emacs curve13:23
vvaltonewhere's the comparison to amount of features mastered? :P13:24
lcukhena, I laughed too, but make;make install/scratchbox/autobuilder/qt/obs are similar13:24
vvaltonewhy qt?-)13:25
lcukvvaltone, symbian development from linux13:25
lcukand all the various devkits and sdks required13:26
lcukit is not trivial13:26
vvaltonewhat's this symbian thing? ;P13:26
lcukvvaltone, it is that OS used on a squillion more phones at this point13:26
lcukand there is little point in writing Qt apps for just one OS13:27
vvaltonenot true13:27
lcukwhen you can for small amounts of tweaking and thinking support most of those too13:27
vvaltonethere's lots of points in writing Qt apps for just one OS13:27
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vvaltonemostly because it's a nice api13:27
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lcukvvaltone, if your qt code is written nice and carefully then your market can expand easily :)13:28
vvaltoneno, not really13:28
vvaltoneI don't actually sell them13:29
mcfriskbuild.pub.m.c, anyone know why this build seems stuck https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=qpid-cpp&project=home%3Amcfrisk%3Abranches%3AMeeGo.com%3ATools%3ATesting&repository=Debian_6.013:29
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lcukmcfrisk, the obs web interface froze for a good 10 minutes just earlier13:30
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mcfriskok, is it coming back to life?13:33
vvaltoneeventually13:34
vvaltonesometimes strange things happen in obs13:35
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mcfriskindeed13:36
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seifthis phone is awesome13:42
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Jaffaseif: Which one?13:45
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seif Jade n95013:58
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seifstill needs some tweaks13:58
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seifn900 was easier to set up13:58
seifespecially with accounts13:58
seifwhere is skype13:58
seif?13:58
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seifguys14:08
seifi am facing this issue14:08
seifhttp://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?226389-What-is-this-SDK-in-MyDocs-SDK-on-N95014:08
seifi get Code:14:08
seifCould not fetch Updates.xml: Error downloading http://repository.meego.nokia.com/meegosdk/45F4AE4C67B0406F90EEE94EA5ABE69A/linux/32bit/Updates.xml - server replied: Bad Request14:08
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thiagoseif: unfortunately, we're not equipped to handle harmattan issues14:20
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seifhmmmmmmmmm14:21
seifthiago, so what14:21
seifcan i do to get the sdk installed14:21
seifi dont really think i need it as long as i have ssh14:21
thiagomeaning that you should post on that thread on nokia's website. We are ill-equipped to help you in this channel.14:22
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CosmoHillhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=qualcomm_snapdragon_mdp&num=114:26
CosmoHilllooks nice but insanely expsensive14:26
nialahello CosmoHill14:27
CosmoHillhi niala14:27
vvaltoneCosmoHill, and it doesn't have a radio, except wifi14:28
vvaltonethe 13MPix camera is pretty ridiculous also14:28
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CosmoHillI thought it does14:32
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TheBootroohello14:32
TheBootroo just received the nokia N950 shipment mail confirmation14:33
TheBootrooshould receive it this week14:33
SpeedEvilCongrats.14:33
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henai guess you need to send it back immediately? ;)14:34
TheBootroowas wondering, does N950 have bumped screen glass ? because in some videos from fone arena review (http://www.fonearena.com/blog/40638/exclusive-the-epic-nokia-n950-hands-on.html) i think i saw a rounded highlight on the screen so it means its not flat isn't it ?14:34
TheBootroohena: never14:34
TheBootroo"RELEASE THE NOKIA !" ->> "NEVEEER§§"14:35
henayou know they just called all of them back :)14:35
TheBootroohena: no14:35
henayep14:35
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SpeedEvilcitation needed14:36
vvaltonewhy is it 'epic'?14:37
TheBootroovvaltone: biggest N950 handson with videos and pictures outta there14:37
TheBootrooEpic enough 4 me14:37
JaffaTheBootroo: The screen of the N950 is flat, unlike the N914:37
TheBootrooJaffa: sure ? so where these rounded apperance comes from ?14:38
vvaltonethere's a guy here who has one14:38
TheBootroovvaltone: more than one right now14:38
vvaltoneI mean in the place I sit at :P14:38
TheBootroovvaltone: there must be 10 or 20 guys right here with a N95014:38
TheBootroovvaltone: oh oh ok right14:39
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JaffaTheBootroo: I dunno where the rounded appearance comes from (I know what you mean), but I've just looked at my N950 edge on :-p14:39
TheBootrooJaffa: N950 are being sent from finland true ?14:39
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JaffaTheBootroo: Mine was. Others are. So "probably"14:39
CosmoHillvvaltone: unless he's sitting on your lap, I don't think he sits there14:40
JaffaTheBootroo: OK, mine bends downwards slightly at top & bottom, but doesn't curve anywhere near as much as the N914:40
TheBootrooJaffa: i'm in france (lyon) so, given that it has been sent this morning, it should arrive into 2 days14:40
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vvaltone2 days is optimistic unless it's a courier14:40
TheBootrooJaffa: i know N9 is really bumped, but i was sure N950 was a little two14:40
CosmoHillwhy aren't the touch screens flat?14:41
vvaltoneYou know how google said their concave surface was so it's easier to speak? the bumped nokias are so it's harder to speak into them ;P14:41
TheBootroovvaltone: here thurdsay is nationnal day, so no shipment that day, so if i dont arrive wednesday, ill have to wait newt monday14:41
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cmantitohey folks, many of you in here using Meego Netbook or is everyone using Meego for phones? :P14:46
vvaltoneMeeGo Tablet ofcourse14:48
* rzr on n95014:48
CosmoHillWindows 714:48
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CosmoHiller I mean MeeGo on Desktop >.>14:49
vvaltoneCosmoHill, really?14:49
vvaltonenever saw the desktop edition ;P14:49
berndhsMeeGo on desktop would be useful as a build host14:50
cmantitohaha14:50
CosmoHillit's just the notebook edition14:50
CosmoHill*netbook14:50
cmantitowell I was just wondering if anyone can recommend some good respositories to add for software, or should we really just compile everything from source?14:50
berndhsreal men compile from source :)14:51
CosmoHillyay14:51
CosmoHillwait, you're only saying that cos you did CLFS14:51
TheBootrooJaffa: did you get any software update OTA since i have the device ?14:51
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berndhsi'm also making my own installer :)14:51
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CosmoHillberndhs: for CLFS?14:52
berndhsfor meego14:52
CosmoHillooo14:52
berndhsthe anaconda forked one is going away in favour of a simple one, which doesnt do what I need14:52
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berndhsso I'm forking the simple shell based installer they have14:53
CosmoHilli made an installer for LFS long ago14:57
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berndhswhat they are doing with sfdisk is really painful14:58
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berndhsnot their fault, sfdisk sucks14:59
CosmoHillthat would explain the S14:59
berndhsyes probably14:59
seifis there a way to ssh connect to the meego phone or so15:00
seif?15:00
berndhsit wants to align things on cylinder boundaries for one thing15:00
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CosmoHillseif: yes, you can do it over the wifi or usb-netowrking15:02
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berndhsseif: if you have sshd running on the phone you can ssh into it15:02
seifberndhs, how do i get sshd on the phone15:02
berndhsseif: install openssh-server15:03
seifberndhs, is ssh the default way of connecting with the phone15:04
seif?15:04
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berndhsseif: dunno, default way is probly phone company :)15:05
CosmoHillthe default way would to be phyically use the phone15:05
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CosmoHillooo, I didn't get charged for 2 minutes for a 1:03 call15:08
berndhswhat will you do with all the money ?15:10
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CosmoHillif I was on my old network, quiet a lto15:10
CosmoHilllot*15:10
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luistis there any chance that meego would include PyQt in their repo? i compiled my own but i hate packaging this stuff15:15
Stskeepsisn't pyside more supported?15:15
thiagoI think there's a good chance that PySide is accepted15:15
smharyou mean meego does not include PyQt?!15:16
thiagoI'm pretty sure PySide is already there15:17
Stskeepsthiago: not sure its in trunk, but tere is a well maintained project for it15:17
Stskeepsbuilt for meego15:17
seifthiago, can you walk me through connecting to the meego phone15:18
seif?15:18
thiagoseif: no15:18
seif:(15:18
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luistthiago, pyside includes PyQt?15:19
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thiagoluist: no15:21
Andy80hi all15:21
thiagoPySide is a different project providing Python bindings for Qt15:21
luistthiago, would the code made for PyQt work with PySide?15:23
thiagoyes, they are source compatible15:23
seifhuh15:24
seifwhy am i banned from #meego-dev15:24
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Stskeepsits closed15:24
seifah15:24
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seifi have openssh-server installed15:24
seifi can ged sshd running though15:25
CosmoHilldo you know the ip of your phone?15:25
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seifyes15:26
CosmoHillport scan it15:26
Andy80Elleo: you should adjust the path of qml files in your libre.fm client. I've tested it on Desktop and real device I get the same error: librefm.qml: File not found15:26
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ElleoAndy80: there are two paths in the source file, one I use when running locally and one for when it's installed system wide15:27
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ElleoAndy80: I need to make that an ifdef based thing at some point15:28
Elleobut other than that it depends on what directory you're running from if you're doing it locally15:28
Andy80Elleo: uhm... strange... I mean, on real device it fails :\ have you tested it there?15:28
ElleoAndy80: don't have the device yet15:28
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Andy80Elleo: ok, I hope you get it soon then :)15:29
Elleoyou'd need to uncomment the DATAPATH + "/librefm.qml"15:29
luistthiago, any idea if either are going to be officially supported?15:29
Elleoinstead of the one that's just "src/librefm.qml"15:29
Elleothen build the deb and install it15:29
thiagoluist: if you ask and give a reason, I don't see why not15:29
Elleootherwise if you're doing it locally on the device you need to make sure you're running it from outside of the src directory15:29
Elleoso you're running ./src/librefm15:29
luistthiago, ok and where do i ask :)15:30
Andy80let me try :)15:30
Elleo"by locally on the device" I mean without installing it systemwide15:30
thiagoluist: meego-dev15:31
Elleoapparently mine is out for delivery some time today, so I'll probably finish putting everything together and start releasing packages for it over the next week or so15:31
seifCosmoHill, ok got it15:32
seifCosmoHill, what is the "username" for it15:32
Andy80Elleo: yes, it runs :)15:32
Elleo:)15:32
Andy80Elleo: just a strange thing... I see two system bar on top... I mean the one with the text "Developer Edition", with time, battery ecc... probably a system wide bug, not your bug15:33
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Andy80I don't know how to take a screenshot else I would show it15:34
Elleoodd15:34
Elleowell I'll have a device to test with soon enough ;)15:34
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luistthiago, cant join the channel... says im banned :P even tho i never joined it b415:36
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CosmoHillseif: root15:37
CosmoHillthe password is "meego"15:37
Stskeeps#meego-dev is closed15:37
the-bossStskeeps: Error: "meego-dev" is not a valid command.15:37
CosmoHillI think you can also use "meego / meego"15:37
lucazadehi! is it available emgd driver for kernel 3.0 and xorg 1.10 ?15:37
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seifCosmoHill,15:37
seifssh root@192.168.0.11215:37
seifroot@192.168.0.112's password:15:37
seifit tell me password wrong15:37
StskeepsCosmoHill: n950 doesnt run meego.com15:38
seifStskeeps, what does it run then15:38
Stskeepsseif: harmattan15:38
seifStskeeps, ok how do i connect via ssh15:39
seif?15:39
CosmoHillseif: on the device you could type "sudo -s" and "passwd", this should ask you for a new password for the root user15:39
CosmoHillbetter yet type "whoami" and "passwd"15:39
Stskeepsdunno, ask on nokia developer forums15:39
CosmoHillthis will set the password for your current user but I don't know if that will break anything15:39
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luistStskeeps, ok how do i ask stuff in #meego-dev if its closed :)15:43
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Stskeepsluist: meego-dev@ mailing list, probably15:44
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thiagoluist: the mailing list15:44
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seifgot it15:49
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seifStskeeps, CosmoHill the username is "developer" the passwrod can be found under "SDK connectivity"15:49
CosmoHillcool15:49
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Jaffaseif: The default N950 root password is the same as all versions of Maemo to-date: 'rootme'15:53
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Jaffaseif: 'devel-su' is the equivalent of 'sudo gainroot'15:53
seifJaffa, awesome15:53
seifany ideas where I can get pyside15:54
seifis there pyside-mobility for the meego15:54
Jaffaseif: I've put root access into http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N95015:54
lizardoseif: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/PySide_Binaries_MeeGo15:55
Jaffaseif: PySide is installed by default, AIUI.15:55
Jaffaseif: If not, apt-get should find them15:55
seifawesome15:55
Jaffaseif: If not, ask thp15:56
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lizardoseif: supposing you meant "Meego 1.2 Harmattan" , it has PySide by default (AFAIK)15:56
lizardojust like Jaffa said :)15:56
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seifyes15:56
seifthanks guys15:56
seifsadly i can only connect via wlan15:57
seifits not working over usb15:57
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seifok this is going pretty well16:14
seifguys any1 here know if there is geoclue for harmattan anywherE?16:14
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thiagoseif: use what's there already16:16
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seifwell this means i have to rewrite my app to use the qt location service16:16
thiagoyes16:17
berndhsit will be fun :)16:17
seifberndhs, so there is not geoclue?16:17
berndhsi have no idea16:17
berndhsbut programming with Qt is usually pretty painless16:18
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seifyeah16:18
seifi am on it16:18
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jonwilprogramming QT may be painless but trying to understand all the stuff that goes on underneath all those macros and templates and helpers can be a pain :P16:26
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berndhsi often wish the signal/slot API really were as asynchronous as it looks16:27
thiagojonwil: don't try then :-)16:30
seifis harmattan using deb files or rpm16:30
jonwilI need to understand it if I am going to reverse engineer libcellular-qt :P16:30
jonwilHarmattan uses dep16:30
jonwildeb16:30
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lcukberndhs, synchronous in process?16:31
berndhssynchronous as in blocking function calls, that's usually what it does16:32
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thiagoberndhs: connect with QueuedConnection16:32
berndhsthiago: yes i know16:32
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lcuk:D seeing n950 images on the MeeGo-ce repository o_O :D16:38
lcukhttp://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.7.20110708.2.DE.2011-07-11.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n950-ce-stable/16:38
lcukwho is gonna be first to test them :D16:38
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timophlcuk: afaik all the needed bits aren't open yet16:44
jonwilwhat needed bits would that be?16:45
timophmoslo16:46
seifhey guys16:46
jonwilyeah I think I heard that Nokia will be releasing a bootloader or something that can boot unsigned kernels16:46
seif/home/developer/raptor-1.4.21 # sh autogen.sh --prefix=/usr16:46
seifautogen.sh: Looking for programs: automake aclocal autoconf autoheader libtoolize gtkdocize16:46
seifautogen.sh: automake program '' V 0 (min 011100) in16:46
seifautogen.sh: ERROR: You must have `automake' installed to compile this package.16:46
seif     (version 011100 or newer is required)16:46
seif---16:46
seifwhere do i find raptor-utils16:47
seif?16:47
seifi mean where do i find automake16:47
timophseif: please use pastebin etc16:47
seifok sorry16:47
seiftimoph, http://pastebin.com/GBntVAbA16:47
seif^16:47
thiagoseif: not included in the Harmattan App SDK16:47
thiagoseif: you need the Platform SDK16:47
timophanyway looks like you're missing automake16:47
seifthiago, i am runnong over ssh16:47
seifso how do i get that in16:48
thiagoseif: have you tried installing via apt-get?16:48
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seifthiago, E: Couldn't find package automake16:49
thiagoseif: then you need the Platform SDK16:49
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thiagoI don't think it's released.16:49
thiagoplease stick with Qt and qmake for the moment16:49
Stskeepsharmattan-dev.nokia.com or something16:49
timophscratchbox is out16:49
thiagooh, didn't know that16:50
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lcuktimoph, do we know if that n950 image actually boots up?16:57
seifthiago, i found raptor-utils for maemo and another for the meego 1.117:00
seifcan i use one of them17:00
seif?17:00
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thiagoseif: no17:01
thiagoseif: use the harmattan scratchbox17:01
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luistdoesnt meego 1.2 understand %{py_sitedir} anymore on my spec files?17:03
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seifthiago, the harmattan scratchbox has issues running here17:16
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thiagoseif: then fix them17:16
seifso is there a way to have the buildtools on the n95017:16
thiagobut I won't be able to help them17:16
thiagobuild *on* the device?17:16
seifyeah17:16
seifi want to use automake on the device17:16
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Stskeepsheh, good luck17:17
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seif:(17:17
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seifthiago, are there repos where i can get the uild-tools17:25
seif?17:25
seifs/uild/build17:25
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thiagoseif: I don't know17:31
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gabrbeddThe meego SDK installer uses an application called `binarycreator` to create the user install program.  Anybody know *what* that is?17:43
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gabrbedd...and on a related note... has anyone made the MeeGo SDK work on Ubuntu 11.04 ?17:49
dm8tbrgabrbedd: this? https://www.qt.gitorious.org/qt-labs/installer-framework/trees/master/installerbuilder/binarycreator17:51
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gabrbedddm8tbr: thank you.17:54
dm8tbrnp17:55
dm8tbrlocated that thing for Aard the other week already :)17:55
dm8tbrI suspect he had the same problem17:56
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dm8tbrgabrbedd: let me guess, the sdk installer bombs out with an unhelpful message?17:56
gabrbedddm8tbr: yes, strike 1.  But there appears to be a fix on the release1.2 branch.17:58
rzrJaffa: the future custom rom is here  : http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=rdp#more17:58
gabrbedddm8tbr: then strike 2 is that when you manually load the repos and packages, Qt Creator doesn't work.17:58
dm8tbrthat sounds quite familiar, indeed17:59
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gabrbedddm8tbr: so, I was looking to roll my own installer... to see if maybe there was some step I missed.18:01
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dm8tbrgabrbedd: if this is the same what Aard had it's a script failing somewhere in the bowels of the installer that returns 'Your foo bar baz distro is currently unsupported' instead of what the installer script asked for18:04
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lcukalterego, what are you working on atm?18:17
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alteregolcuk: right now? Nothing :P18:20
alteregoI'm about to go out to get my gf from the train station18:20
lcukheh18:20
alteregoOtherwise Columbus, I got side tracked away from coding for a few weeks whilst I was doing some firefighting for a client.18:20
alteregoAnd have had some crappy personal issues to deal with as well :/18:21
alteregoNot been to productive tbh.18:21
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lcukalterego, ditto18:23
lcukbut I said last time we met that we should arrange another meetup18:23
alteregoAnyway, I gotta blast, bbiab18:23
lcuk\o later18:23
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StskeepsJaffa: not looking very hard, http://maemo.org/profile/view/mairas/18:26
JaffaStskeeps: It doesn't help that SD69 spelt his name wrong :-p18:27
Stskeepsit doesn't, no18:28
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Stskeeps:P18:28
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JaffaStskeeps: fixing18:31
JaffaThanks18:31
javiermoin18:32
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javierone question... qt-devel-tools == libqt4-devel (openSUSE)?18:33
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andre__javier: normally not18:36
javierah, it's libqt-devel18:39
gabrbeddjavier: FWIW, things like this work:  sudo zypper install -C "pkgconfig(QtCore)"18:40
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javierok18:41
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javierI'm trying to build strigidaemon with clucene support18:41
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luistcan anyone help me pack PyQt4 for Meego?? PySide is giving me a lot of problems and has some bugs :T18:55
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lizardoluist: are you testing on a N950 ? or on N900 running Meego 1.2 ?19:10
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* auke yawns20:20
Stskeepsindeed20:21
lcukhm strange, i was running a qml app a few times from the console20:21
lcukand is there a memory leak in it?20:21
lcukbecause after a few iterations the UI stopped working and needed to be rebooted20:21
lcuk(I was debugging bug 20099)20:22
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20099 nor, High, ---, marko.saukko, NEW, [CE] Calculator crashes after pressing any button and then "." .20:22
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luistis smart packaged for meego?21:59
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lcukfixing qml bugs on device is awesome22:06
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andyrosslcuk: It really is.  Twice now I've been able to show people stuck on a bug how to hot-patch their way around it without having to train them on how to upgrade an RPM or replace a repo.22:19
Elleo/50/5022:21
Elleooops22:21
lcukandyross, I have been doing on device compilation for a long time, just the first time I did similar with qml22:21
andyrossYeah.  I meant the case of someone who needs a workaround right now, but isn't comfortable with zypper/rpm handling (there are *lots* of existing "embedded linux developers" who fall into this camp).  So I can't just point them at a private OBS repo.  But they're more than capable of "drop this file on top of existing one" type instructions.22:23
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aukewhich is great for debugging22:24
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andyrossI hear the sarcasm.  But if it gets them past the current bug and on to the next one faster: yes, yes it is. :)22:25
lcukandyross, try that with real users and you end up teaching them about howto gainroot and the linux filesystem and a load of other things22:26
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lcukbetter is certainly to do it proper way providing you can get an update to them22:26
lcukandyross, what apps do you maintain?22:27
andyrossI maintain nothing (well, sensorfw-pegatron and a handful of other tiny exopc bits).  I mostly chase bugs.22:28
aukeandyross: I was actually being sincere. I hate to have to wait for an image release or a rpm merge before I can test something22:32
andyrossHeh.  Then oops: apologies. :)22:32
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Andy80do you know if it's possible, when using QtCreator, to skip the package creation and deploy directly on the device (executable and qml files....) ? It would save me lot of time...22:36
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andyrossYou can certainly do that with rsync/scp and some judicious symlinks on the device when building via qmake.  But I'm clueless about Qt Creator.22:38
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zx2c4hey there22:41
zx2c4anyone want to help me get the community edition of meego on my n95022:41
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dm8tbrzx2c4: AFAIU that's not possible yet, or it may at least be challenging22:42
zx2c4http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N95022:42
zx2c4well theres this...22:42
dm8tbrmoslo is not yet released22:42
zx2c4but alas no release yet22:42
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zx2c4what is moslo (googling now...)22:44
zx2c4iim totally new to meego development22:44
zx2c4dm8tbr: would you have any pointers on things to read to get started22:44
zx2c4(im an experienced qt developer, but just havent worked with this hardware platform before)22:45
dm8tbrzx2c4: it's apparently a kexec based boot menu loader22:45
zx2c4thats interesting22:46
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dm8tbrzx2c4: there's many people anxiously waiting for the CE to happen, I'm sure you won't miss it if you hang out here22:46
zx2c4so the bootloader is its own lil linux kernel22:46
zx2c4that boots into a child kernel?22:46
Andy80zx2c4: the "Developer Program" is closed at the moment. Feel free to check in the next months and apply if it should be open again.22:46
zx2c4Andy80: my n950 is sitting on my leg right now.22:47
* dm8tbr blinks22:47
zx2c4?22:47
Andy80zx2c4: sorry, misundertood....22:47
dm8tbrmine is still in a warehouse somewhere 'STatus: New Order'22:47
zx2c4aa shucks22:47
dm8tbrzx2c4: the idea isn't new really. look at kexecboot22:48
zx2c4aaa i see. cool. yea22:48
dm8tbrI have been fancying that for Archos devices for a while22:48
dm8tbrjust didn't get kexec working :(22:48
zx2c4:'(22:48
zx2c4So im trying to figure out the setup of this device, how to get a good dev env up etc22:49
zx2c4If i want to boot into a new system, what do i do22:49
zx2c4what interfaces do i have to the partitions and whatnot22:49
zx2c4im going to try and get my own minimal linux setup22:49
zx2c4http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/k/kernel/kernel_2.6.32-20112201+0m6.tar.gz compile that from scratch22:50
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dm8tbrzx2c4: keep in mind that this device has a lot of security features built in. that can be a problem at times22:52
zx2c4the N950 is totally unlocked i thought22:52
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dm8tbrit has HS silicon and aegis is at least partially enabled22:53
dm8tbrso it at least needs an signed/open x-loader22:53
dm8tbrto be fully open22:54
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berndhsbash pogramming is messy23:09
gabrbeddberndhs: that's why it's called "bash" and not "tickle"23:10
Aardberndhs: bash is for pussies. real man use bourne shell only. and write portable code for at least 3 commercial unix variants23:11
gabrbedd:-)23:11
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berndhsAard: bourne is the past man23:11
berndhsand the commercial types can pay me to rewrite it in their version :P23:12
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berndhswhat's this: create_factory_snapshot ()23:16
berndhsprobably not worth doing if I dont have a factory23:16
BostikAard: POSIX_ME_HARDER=1, right?23:17
AardBostik: that would probably be korn shell ;)23:17
Bostikew23:18
BostikI've done my time with pdksh, that was bad enough23:19
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AardPOSIX only specifies ksh as shell. ksh is backwards compatible with bourne, though23:20
berndhsi'm trying to remember what I did in 197023:22
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lcukgabrbedd, hi, how goes it?23:31
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lbtJaffa: ping23:32
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gabrbeddlcuk: Allright... not bad.  Vacation is over, though. :-/23:59
gabrbeddlcuk: yourself?23:59
lcuknew baby is keeping us busy23:59

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