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| vdv | is it safe to uninstall U-boot? will maemo boot then correctly? | 00:45 |
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| derEwigeJude | ĺḿáó | 02:00 |
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| derEwigeJude | israel should be fucking nuked | 02:02 |
| CosmoHill | op, check please | 02:03 |
| derEwigeJude | cunt | 02:03 |
| derEwigeJude | where you from CosmoHill | 02:03 |
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| derEwigeJude | you dumb shit | 02:04 |
| CosmoHill | flattery will get you everywhere | 02:04 |
| derEwigeJude | dont you know the TSA is a zionist invention | 02:04 |
| derEwigeJude | from the evil Chertoff | 02:04 |
| derEwigeJude | groping your granny | 02:04 |
| derEwigeJude | suck it | 02:05 |
| derEwigeJude | suck satanś cock | 02:05 |
| CosmoHill | you seem to have mistaken me for a whore | 02:05 |
| derEwigeJude | hmm | 02:05 |
| derEwigeJude | maybe you arent one | 02:05 |
| derEwigeJude | but you give all indications of being a jew cock sucker | 02:06 |
| derEwigeJude | the USA is in 6 jew wars right now | 02:06 |
| derEwigeJude | lol | 02:07 |
| derEwigeJude | fucktards | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik, shut up!!! | 02:07 |
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| Termana | good morning | 02:08 |
| derEwigeJude | apparently pupnik was a great man | 02:11 |
| derEwigeJude | OH NOES | 02:13 |
| derEwigeJude | PEOPLE WHO DONT LIKE MOTHERFUCKING JEWS | 02:14 |
| derEwigeJude | WHAT SHALL WE DO??? | 02:14 |
| derEwigeJude | suck more jew cock? | 02:14 |
| derEwigeJude | yes! | 02:14 |
| derEwigeJude | slurp slurp slurp slurp slurp | 02:14 |
| derEwigeJude | slurp slurp slurp slurp slurp | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | sigh | 02:14 |
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| derEwigeJude | follow us politics MohammadAG | 02:15 |
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| derEwigeJude | hillary clinton said that israel was ín their rights to defend themselves | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | go to ##politics for that, not #meego | 02:15 |
| derEwigeJude | from the aid ships to gaza | 02:15 |
| derEwigeJude | there is no border to extortion and murder | 02:15 |
| derEwigeJude | the motherfuckers are all over you | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | /msg chanserv access #meego list | 02:15 |
| derEwigeJude | and that is why we promote free software | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | yeah totally, cause it changes politics | 02:16 |
| derEwigeJude | pussy faggot docscrutinizer | 02:16 |
| mquin | derEwigeJude: that's quite enough | 02:16 |
| MohammadAG | mquin, ops here seem pretty active | 02:16 |
| derEwigeJude | mohammedag is a terrorist | 02:17 |
| derEwigeJude | call in the drone strikes | 02:17 |
| derEwigeJude | we decide who dies :D :D :D | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, X-Fade DawnFoster, care to deal with this? | 02:17 |
| derEwigeJude | iĺl be quiet | 02:18 |
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| derEwigeJude | (slurp slurp slurp slurp slurp) | 02:19 |
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| * CosmoHill should be getting a Sony W995 in a few weeks | 02:24 | |
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| phl0x81 | sony + meego? wtf? | 02:26 |
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| CosmoHill | no no, just a sony | 02:30 |
| CosmoHill | I prefer candybar phones with the T9 keypad | 02:30 |
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| CosmoHill | I was saying to my mate that the kids of today can't text in class cos they all have touch screens | 02:32 |
| CosmoHill | (can't text under the desk that is) | 02:33 |
| berndhs | pretty soon people who know how to type will be called geeks | 02:33 |
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| CosmoHill | they actually teach kids how to type in schools now | 02:34 |
| berndhs | yeah but not for much longer :) | 02:34 |
| CosmoHill | I've had the book of faces for about two weeks now and nobody's commented on my use of grammar and full English | 02:35 |
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| CosmoHill | then again I treat it as a very bloated email system at the back of some creepy room | 02:36 |
| berndhs | maybe they figure you for a foreigner | 02:36 |
| CosmoHill | you go in, check your email and leave as soon as possible | 02:36 |
| CosmoHill | I only have people I know in real life in my book...and chris | 02:36 |
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| berndhs | i dont think there's picture of my face anywhere, other than official documents | 02:41 |
| CosmoHill | might be for the best | 02:42 |
| berndhs | yes have to be careful, I'm a stalking victim | 02:42 |
| CosmoHill | I only have one picture so people can see that it is me so they know they have the right guy | 02:43 |
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| berndhs | pictures are also a good way to discrimintate by race, gender and age | 02:43 |
| CosmoHill | without looking at the staticis page | 02:44 |
| CosmoHill | the only people I have on facebook are my friends | 02:45 |
| CosmoHill | if I know you but think you're a dick I'm not going to add you | 02:45 |
| berndhs | well, them and the facebook company | 02:45 |
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| CosmoHill | do you wanna see what my page looks like? | 02:46 |
| berndhs | i'm not really all that curious :) | 02:46 |
| CosmoHill | just get a blank bit of paper and write your name and stick a picture of yourself on it | 02:47 |
| CosmoHill | what's what it looks like | 02:47 |
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| berndhs | yes leave room for creativity | 02:47 |
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| CosmoHill | I also disabled my wall | 02:47 |
| CosmoHill | duno why it's called a wall, there's no bricks in it | 02:48 |
| berndhs | what sit for ? | 02:48 |
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| CosmoHill | I duno but people get worked up about it | 02:48 |
| berndhs | i'm not much of a group guy | 02:49 |
| CosmoHill | one of my mates went "omg a girl wrote on X's wall" and I thought he actually meant wrote on his bedroom wall with felt tip pens | 02:49 |
| derEwigeJude | yes | 02:49 |
| derEwigeJude | but you are still open anused about the central banks | 02:49 |
| CosmoHill | oh I forgot you were here | 02:49 |
| derEwigeJude | lol | 02:50 |
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| derEwigeJude | sorry girl | 02:50 |
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| derEwigeJude | fucking jews caused ww2 | 02:50 |
| CosmoHill | I think you may have that the wrong way around | 02:51 |
| derEwigeJude | newp | 02:51 |
| derEwigeJude | you are one of the millions of cattle who havent researched things | 02:51 |
| derEwigeJude | to discover the terrible truth | 02:51 |
| derEwigeJude | the motherfucking jews are the satanic race | 02:52 |
| derEwigeJude | that is fucking up world history | 02:52 |
| berndhs | ah man, my reinstalled system gets a Kernel panic | 02:52 |
| berndhs | more maintenance | 02:52 |
| CosmoHill | berndhs: but it's a reinstall, meaning if it worked the first time I should work now | 02:53 |
| berndhs | yes but its an old machine | 02:53 |
| CosmoHill | ah | 02:53 |
| CosmoHill | say no more | 02:53 |
| * CosmoHill has an idea | 02:53 | |
| CosmoHill | I could create a shutdown script that dumps the uptime into a log file | 02:54 |
| CosmoHill | that would allow me to figure out the average uptime for a computer / server | 02:54 |
| berndhs | maybe its easier to grab it at boot time | 02:54 |
| CosmoHill | -.- | 02:54 |
| berndhs | that way you get crashes too | 02:55 |
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| CosmoHill | oh you were being serious | 02:55 |
| CosmoHill | in that case it maybe better to log the boot and shutdown dates to | 02:55 |
| berndhs | last log knows all that, doesnt it ? | 02:56 |
| CosmoHill | aparantly low | 02:58 |
| CosmoHill | so* | 02:58 |
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| jacekowski | morning people | 03:00 |
| CosmoHill | hi jacekowski | 03:00 |
| berndhs | ok i'll swap the starting position of my boot and swap partition, maybe that will help | 03:00 |
| jacekowski | i've heard that shit has got real here while ago | 03:00 |
| CosmoHill | anyone know how to remove a line with vim if it does NOT contain a word? | 03:01 |
| berndhs | dd | 03:01 |
| derEwigeJude | dd | 03:01 |
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| CosmoHill | I was thinking more like a search | 03:01 |
| berndhs | read the sed man page, soemthing with ^ and $ | 03:02 |
| berndhs | and white space in between | 03:02 |
| CosmoHill | :g!/reboot/d | 03:03 |
| CosmoHill | 87 boots since 2006 :) | 03:03 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm off to bed, night night | 03:08 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:08 |
| berndhs | good night | 03:08 |
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| dm8tbr | mood groaning | 08:25 |
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| npm | emacs' M-x battery saves the day... | 09:16 |
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| mikelima | Hi all | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 10:30 |
| mikelima | hi Stskeeps! I am trying to port my application to Harmattan... and I encountered some stumbling blocks. Or at least I have a few doubts. | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i can't help you there | 10:32 |
| * Stskeeps only deals with meego.com | 10:33 | |
| mikelima | ah, yes, all right. | 10:33 |
| mikelima | Is meego-devel the right channel for this kind of questions? | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | no, but i think the nokia developer forums would be a good place | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | on developer.nokia.com | 10:34 |
| mikelima | right, thanks. | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | (there are representatives from the platform SDK/harmattan team on there, fwiw) | 10:35 |
| mikelima | Stskeeps: by the way, sorry to see you leave talk.maemo.org | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | it seems like it had the good effect of making the place productive again | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | and causing less toxicity | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | i still read the place but not contributing | 10:36 |
| mikelima | right, I do not blame you, I only miss the good content! :) | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | forum.meego.com and #meego-arm for that :) | 10:38 |
| mikelima | yes, I have started following those too. | 10:38 |
| mikelima | Although I am not that much into forums... Old fashioned mailing-list reader here :) | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | meego-handset@ is sometimes informative | 10:39 |
| mikelima | yes, I check the archives from time to time... | 10:39 |
| mikelima | Actually it is not that high volume I could subscribe too. | 10:39 |
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| CosmoHill | hey Stskeeps | 11:44 |
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| dm8tbr | http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq hmmmm | 11:57 |
| Termana | mmm patents. This can only be yummy. | 12:00 |
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| dm8tbr | I still wonder if it would make sense to have a mechanism to allow people to compile 'critical' packages themselves | 12:09 |
| dm8tbr | like only serve an SRPM and have some nice frontend that turns that into an properly installed RPM on the device | 12:10 |
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| CosmoHill | you mean like the tool that some distros have that allows them to compile and install a custom kernel via the distros package manager? | 12:20 |
| dm8tbr | along those lines, yeah | 12:21 |
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| dm8tbr | distributing source code is less problematic in patent-land | 12:21 |
| dm8tbr | ofc such things wouldn't fly with devices that have e.g. aegis, but there it's the OEM's responsibility to provide whichever codecs are needed | 12:22 |
| dm8tbr | and pay the licensing | 12:22 |
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| dm8tbr | I have plenty of *buntu coasters | 12:54 |
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| dm8tbr | every time I go to some conference my old CDs/DVDs become coasters... | 12:54 |
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| CosmoHill | I used to sell Debian and Fedora DVDs | 12:56 |
| CosmoHill | between my DVD-RW drive and my printer I gave up | 12:57 |
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| CosmoHill | I tried making a nice Fedora 15 disc recently for me, now every time I handle it I end up with blue hands | 12:57 |
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| CosmoHill | I used to wonder how people could use netbooks cos of the lack of optical drive. But my optical drive hasn't worked in many months and I get on just fine | 13:30 |
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| dm8tbr | :) | 13:37 |
| dm8tbr | I seldomly ever use optical drives any more. if I do I have the option of an slim USB drive | 13:37 |
| CosmoHill | do you remember when video recorders (VHS) used to chew up tapes? that's what my DVD-RW drive does in my laptop | 13:39 |
| Aard | CosmoHill: well, just don't put tapes into your dvd-rw drive... | 13:39 |
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| * CosmoHill ponders turning his powerbook isn't a fancy juke box | 13:39 | |
| dm8tbr | CosmoHill: have you tried inserting a 3.5in floppy or what? :D | 13:40 |
| dm8tbr | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Supported-Image-Formats,-The-Dreaded-Zebra,-and-The-Unfix.aspx | 13:40 |
| dm8tbr | http://globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/floppy_fail.jpg alternatively | 13:41 |
| pebcak | haven't used a optical drive on my laptops since the first x-series thinkpad I bought ;) | 13:44 |
| dm8tbr | I only ever used the drive in the x-series docking bay a handfull of times | 13:45 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | only for burning cds, personally | 13:49 |
| CosmoHill | hey Stskeeps | 13:50 |
| CosmoHill | you might want to look at this morning's logs | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | i saw it, can't do much about it until he comes back | 13:50 |
| CosmoHill | I'm assuming you guys were either asleep or enjoying your Saturday afternoon | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | and banning t-dialin.net isn't an option | 13:51 |
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| CosmoHill | that would be punishing the masses | 13:52 |
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| pebcak | Stskeeps it isn't? | 14:46 |
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| lcuk | alterego, which app did you install on your n8? | 15:40 |
| lcuk | and did you manage to install same thing on your c5? | 15:41 |
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| alterego | lcuk: not tried the C5 | 15:43 |
| alterego | It was just a QML hello world example from the SDK | 15:44 |
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| alterego | Oh, and the Dial widget QML example . | 15:44 |
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| lcuk | alterego, why not columbus! | 15:45 |
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| alterego | Working on it ;) | 15:49 |
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| BluesLee | can someone help out with Harmattan Platform SDK (scratchbox)? | 16:42 |
| CosmoHill | dm8tbr: the daily wtf has some really good writers | 16:42 |
| dm8tbr | CosmoHill: yep, and alex has some big fans in Finland *gnihihi* | 16:43 |
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| Bostik | judging byy the amount salmiac he receives, plenty :) | 16:56 |
| CosmoHill | dm8tbr: so far I've learnt I should avoid admins called Tim | 16:58 |
| dm8tbr | and developers called Paula | 16:58 |
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| CosmoHill | and managers called Steve | 17:00 |
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| berndhs | disk partitioning, another example how this industry sticks to stupid standards for a looong time | 17:15 |
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| berndhs | well, not stupid at the beginning, more ad-hoc, but 30 years later its stupid to keep doing it | 17:17 |
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| CosmoHill | dm8tbr: I'm starting to wonder if some of these people in these stories are the same | 17:21 |
| CosmoHill | just read two stories in a row about Ryan | 17:22 |
| berndhs | for the last time : http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html | 17:23 |
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| dm8tbr | CosmoHill: obligatory is also watching 'office space' and fill out a TPS report about it! | 17:31 |
| * dm8tbr sends out a memo about the new cover sheet | 17:31 | |
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| * CosmoHill wonders if dm8tbr has any idea how distracting that website has been to him | 17:34 | |
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| dm8tbr | CosmoHill: yep, it's inhibited my productivity a good deal too | 17:35 |
| CosmoHill | I was so close to finishing cleaning my room | 17:36 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders idly if it is possible to extract qml imports in rpm like it is for python/perl | 17:37 | |
| Stskeeps | ie, Requires: qml(QtQuick) >= 1.0 automatic generation | 17:38 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: aegis does it ;) | 17:46 |
| javispedro | with regexps only | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | hm, interesting | 17:47 |
| javispedro | well, a bit of logic to retrieve qml src from qrc, then does the regexps. | 17:47 |
| javispedro | *compiled qrc. | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | could be good to have | 17:47 |
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| javispedro | the code is on /usr/bin/aegis-manifest (perl script), grep for qml_match | 17:48 |
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| * npm just got http://simile-widgets.org/exhibit/ running locally in qtwebkit | 20:40 | |
| npm | it was way too easy | 20:40 |
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| npm | now to get QML to spew JSON at it... | 20:40 |
| npm | and i just made UI-making a lot easier | 20:41 |
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| * npm looks for some complicated qt-based sparql source to feed it ? contacts? media? | 20:42 | |
| * IanWizard can't wait till october for 1.3 | 20:43 | |
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| IanWizard | I've never actually gotten to play with a working meego. When 1.3 hits, I'll port it over to my phone (waiting for CDMA). | 20:44 |
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| IanWizard | It seems quiet in here. | 20:58 |
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| Stskeeps | IanWizard: weekdays are usually better | 21:11 |
| gabriel_ | Stskeeps: \o. | 21:12 |
| * lbt just got back from an 'empeg' meet :) | 21:12 | |
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| gabriel_ | lbt: That reminds me... is your N9 also a LBT ? | 21:13 |
| lbt | empeg == ~1999 199Mhz ARM car stereo (running linux of course) | 21:13 |
| lbt | gabriel_: no N9 yet... N950 on the way! | 21:13 |
| gabriel_ | only one color? | 21:14 |
| gabriel_ | :-) | 21:14 |
| lbt | yeah | 21:14 |
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| lbt | but the empeg team (ie the guys who did the HW design) are now looking for a replacement... | 21:14 |
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| gabriel_ | replacement... for the empeg? Too hard to buy parts these days? | 21:16 |
| lbt | getting there | 21:16 |
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| lbt | they used lots of reasonably low volume HW | 21:16 |
| lbt | so VFD display panel | 21:17 |
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| lbt | but the electronics were industial level (temp/vibration proof), the chassis was stainless steel | 21:17 |
| lbt | so they last a treat | 21:17 |
| gabriel_ | :nod: | 21:19 |
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| lbt | thing is they know what they're doing at the HW level .. so they're thinking of doing opensource HW design and finding a way to get low-volume mfg setup (ie as low as 10s of unit runs) | 21:21 |
| lbt | anyhow if anything comes of it I'll say | 21:21 |
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| gabriel_ | Sounds like fun. With those volumes, though, makes more sense to do it as a DIY kit or something. | 21:22 |
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| gabriel_ | well... "makes more sense" isn't really what I mean... | 21:23 |
| IanWizard | lbt, what / who are we talking about? | 21:23 |
| gabriel_ | more like "might be worth considering" | 21:23 |
| lbt | gabriel_: it's likely actually | 21:23 |
| gabriel_ | IanWizard: the empeg car stero system. An ARM-based, linux-based thing. | 21:24 |
| gabriel_ | from about 1999. | 21:24 |
| IanWizard | gabriel_, ok, thx. | 21:24 |
| lbt | :) | 21:24 |
| lbt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empeg_Car | 21:24 |
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| Myrtti | *yawn* | 21:26 |
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| Venemo | good morning | 21:29 |
| gabrbedd | Venemo: howdy! | 21:30 |
| gabrbedd | MeeGo SDK question: The installer failed for me on Ubuntu 11.04.... so does anyone know where the .raw image and madde .conf files get stored in /opt/meego ? | 21:31 |
| Venemo | hey gabrbedd, how're you today? :) | 21:31 |
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| gabrbedd | Venemo: a little warm... but allright. (air conditioner out) | 21:34 |
| gabrbedd | Venemo: yourself? | 21:34 |
| Venemo | gabrbedd: the weather's how, and I'm loaded with todos... but I'm well, thank you :) | 21:37 |
| Venemo | s/how/hot | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | lo gabrbedd | 21:39 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, Stskeeps, Venemo, lbt \o | 21:44 |
| Venemo | lcuk, o7 | 21:44 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: hello! getting much sleep these days? | 21:44 |
| lcuk | not really but it is good to be doing other stuff | 21:45 |
| * SpeedEvil passes lcuk a pair of noise cancelling in-ear-phones. | 21:45 | |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, the baby is peaceful | 21:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Some are, some aren't. | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Puts things into perspective though. | 21:49 |
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| lcuk | lbt, the empeg stuff, is there scope to run meego on it? | 21:59 |
| lcuk | or is the hardware they want not 3d | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | The early stuff seems very unlikely | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | It had something like 16M of RAM | 21:59 |
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| lbt | lcuk: yes, it seems possible ... the 3D thing may be the issue | 22:00 |
| lcuk | for full compliance maybe | 22:00 |
| lcuk | but if they use meego core + a 2d ux | 22:00 |
| lbt | I think it would be using MeeGo rather than being MeeGo | 22:01 |
| lbt | certainly the issue may be where the App UI is displayed | 22:01 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: +1 | 22:02 |
| lbt | we're thinking of options including having no display and using a phone as a display device | 22:02 |
| lcuk | lbt :) | 22:02 |
| lbt | also specific DIN sized display with wifi or bluetooth | 22:02 |
| lcuk | like old car stereos - where you take the control panel in your pocket when you get out of the car | 22:02 |
| lbt | yeah | 22:02 |
| lcuk | requires a phone with good dock support | 22:03 |
| lbt | but also having a BT control stalk | 22:03 |
| gabrbedd | Seems like MeeGo is a good option if they want a gooey front-end display. Otherwise, yocto | 22:03 |
| lcuk | ie n900 usb placement would make it upside down | 22:03 |
| lcuk | n8 would be feasible in landscape mode | 22:03 |
| lbt | the device would simply be visual display only | 22:03 |
| lbt | maybe no UI feedback | 22:04 |
| lbt | instead having physical BT controls | 22:04 |
| lbt | gabrbedd: yeah - but I'd like it to work well on a device that *does* have 3D | 22:04 |
| lcuk | lbt sensible - so this is for proper car stareo carputer placement? | 22:05 |
| lbt | yes | 22:05 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:05 |
| lcuk | real buttons are indeed required then! | 22:05 |
| lbt | *nod* | 22:06 |
| lcuk | how is the garden project coming on? | 22:06 |
| gabrbedd | well guys, it's 96F here (35C) and my laptop is pretty warm... so I'm signing off... | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | have fun | 22:06 |
| gabrbedd | Hope y'all have a good evening or day or whatever your $(date) is. :-) | 22:06 |
| Venemo | gabrbedd, my laptop is hotter | 22:07 |
| lbt | lcuk: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150277789510350.381131.638635349 | 22:07 |
| lbt | gabrbedd: go chill :) | 22:07 |
| gabrbedd | Venemo: :-) | 22:07 |
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| Venemo | gabrbedd, when I'm running a game, it goes even hotter. | 22:07 |
| Venemo | but it works | 22:08 |
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| Jaffa | Ev'ning, all | 23:14 |
| berndhs | middle of the afternoon | 23:14 |
| CosmoHill | late evening | 23:15 |
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| CosmoHill | dm8tbr: and I thought facebook was a black hole... | 23:32 |
| dm8tbr | CosmoHill: still reading? :D | 23:32 |
| CosmoHill | yeah :/ | 23:32 |
| dm8tbr | CosmoHill: you should totally start a second tab for some variety with alex's blog about slamiak candy | 23:33 |
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| CosmoHill | noooo. i need to finish my CV | 23:33 |
| dm8tbr | CosmoHill: http://www.salmiyuck.com/ | 23:33 |
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| dm8tbr | awesome finnish candy | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Salmiak is to candy as traffic wardens are to strippers. | 23:43 |
| w00t | delicious candy | 23:44 |
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| sofar | plenty of salmiak in dutch licorice | 23:50 |
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