IRC log of #meego for Thursday, 2011-06-16

Venemo	hey lcuk	00:00
lcuk	you have the rpm info and .spec file inside your package in an understandable manner	00:00
Venemo	thanks :)	00:00
lcuk	minor thing I bet, when you pull the version	00:00
lcuk	the spec file remains at 1.22 or whatever?	00:00
Venemo	?	00:00
lcuk	ok	00:01
lcuk	you run the script create-spm.sh	00:01
Venemo	I update the .spec file (along with the debian/changelog file) when I decide to bump the app version	00:01
lcuk	it extracts version number from git	00:01
Venemo	then I run the shell script to simplify my life	00:01
lcuk	based on git tag stuff	00:01
lcuk	and makes a .tar.gz as required for rpmbuild	00:01
Venemo	oh yeah, after bumping the version number, I indeed make a git tag too	00:01
lcuk	right, but could you use sed	00:01
lcuk	to use that same version number	00:01
lcuk	in the newly copied .spec file	00:02
Venemo	indeed... I haven't thought of that yet	00:02
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lcuk	it was just noticing the version number inside the spec	00:02
lcuk	very nice little workflow helper anyway :)	00:02
lcuk	and because it is in with your code, it is understandable too	00:02
* lcuk smiles		00:02
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Venemo	hey, bumping version numbers is hard work	00:03
Venemo	I could make a bump-version.sh script that would update the version number 1) in the .pro file 2) in the util.h file 3) in the debian/changelog file 4) in the .spec file	00:03
lcuk	Venemo, and also writing the changelog entries	00:03
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lcuk	Venemo, the wince package info looks complex	00:06
Venemo	lcuk, that is a project file generated by Visual Studio	00:07
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lcuk	yeah	00:07
Venemo	and I haven't tested it since 1.0.x :S (not having a Windows+VS2008 install right now)	00:07
Venemo	I will probably fix it when my GF lends me her omnia II again	00:07
Venemo	but I'm afraid that QGV will perform extremely badly on it anyway	00:08
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Venemo	lcuk, this is usually not the "standard" way of doing RPM though	00:14
lcuk	no, the standard way is to keep packaging and development distinct	00:15
Venemo	indeed	00:15
lcuk	but it lets the process be seen	00:15
lcuk	and understood in context	00:15
Venemo	the packaging info is usually kept in the distros' VCS	00:15
Venemo	but usually the packager and the developer are different persons	00:15
Venemo	since I package my own app, I invented this little shortcut for myself	00:15
lcuk	but packaging requires meta info that the original developer usually sorts out?	00:15
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Venemo	packaging requires some metadata (app name, description, etc), and a way to build the app.	00:16
lcuk	Venemo, yes - in a way .tar.gz: ./configure; make; sudo make install would be best of all	00:17
Venemo	yep	00:17
Venemo	the standard way of rpm packaging works very effectively when you package something that wasn't created by yourself	00:17
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lcuk	ie an upstream only distro	00:17
Venemo	usually the package's build part also uses those commands lcuk :)	00:17
Venemo	yep.	00:18
Venemo	and this is a _LOT_ easier to do than deb	00:18
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lcuk	but that requires having a group of people actively scanning the multiverse and being fluent in packaging	00:18
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Venemo	yeah	00:18
Venemo	it is basically the mechanism, "hey, I found a cool app! I want to get it into my favourite distro!" - so you download their tarball and make a spec and submit it for review	00:19
lcuk	I see timoph and lbt and a couple of others who can just "meh; here you go" when given a new app	00:19
lcuk	but they have real other tasks to be doing	00:19
lcuk	Venemo, talent scouts	00:19
Venemo	what do you mean?	00:19
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lcuk	people who go and seek the apps	00:19
user0	Hello there!	00:20
Venemo	well, I usually more like stumble upon them rather than seek them	00:20
Venemo	hello user0, what's up? :)	00:20
user0	how are you geeks doing today?	00:20
Venemo	we are doing fine	00:20
* lcuk is notably not a geek		00:20
user0	not much	00:20
user0	just sent my n900 back to the shop	00:20
* Venemo notes that lcuk is definitely a geek		00:20
lcuk	Venemo, :O how	00:21
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user0	lcuk : it was a complement not an insult :)	00:21
Venemo	indeed :)	00:21
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lcuk	well then ok :P	00:21
lcuk	i have to get back to choosing what to hacktivate this weekend	00:22
Venemo	liq?	00:22
user0	did i express how useless the rescue initrd was ?	00:23
lcuk	http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/blog/2011/jun/01/hactivate	00:23
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user0	i still didnt get what the usb networking function's for if theres no telnetd or sshd	00:23
user0	its like you can get ping replies from the device , but you cant access it remotely	00:25
user0	was a major was of time, ended up sending it back for them to deal with the problem	00:25
user0	it, as in the device...	00:26
lcuk	sounds reasonable	00:26
lcuk	I have not tried the rescue initrd	00:26
lcuk	thankfully my machines have been mostly stable	00:26
lcuk	and if not a flash has put them back	00:26
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user0	:)	00:27
user0	btw someone needs to add to the wiki page that you need rd mode enabled for the rescue initrd to work	00:28
user0	else the device will keep restarting and the screen lights will be off	00:28
lcuk	user0, since you know the wiki page (because you read it) and know the issue	00:30
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lcuk	please edit it yourself to get the wording correct	00:30
user0	i'd need an account	00:30
user0	cant be worth the time :P	00:31
user0	+ it doesnt even work correctly , so removing the wiki page may even be a better option!	00:31
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Venemo	user0, yeah, I did need to get my device to R&D mode when I used the rescue initrd	00:37
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user0-	damn connection	00:37
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user0-	Venemo : same here	00:38
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lcuk	question about brightness from rm_you	00:39
lcuk	<rm_work> i never got HAL support functioning	00:39
lcuk	<rm_work> does Meego use HAL?	00:39
lcuk	<rm_work> or DSME still	00:39
lcuk	for operating the screen brightness	00:39
lcuk	Stskeeps, perhaps you may have spotted?	00:39
lcuk	(asking you because you helped with brightness nobble on n8x0 days)	00:39
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auke	lcuk: meego doesn't use hal	00:53
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npm	what do i use in place of define Q_WS_MAEMO_5 for meego?	06:20
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iekku	huomenta	06:21
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iekku	morning even	06:22
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timoph	morning	06:30
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timoph	hmmh	06:30
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timoph	is this encrypto guy some failing script	06:32
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berndhs	looks like it	06:33
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sofar	if he starts doing that again I'll drop him on the ban list for a few days	07:06
sofar	there's plenty of people dcing here, but every minute makes this channel unusable... so	07:06
timoph	yep	07:14
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DocScrutinizer	eh?	07:51
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DocScrutinizer	mhm, good to have chanlog. Guess he's on a wireless connection	07:55
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iekku	hi, extra CORE bug triage starting in the #meego-bugs	08:06
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Jay_BEE	howdy.	08:32
Stskeeps	morn	08:32
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Jay_BEE	Q: wrt meego 1.2 builds, what's the difference between the 1.2.0.90 and 1.2.80 builds?	08:38
Stskeeps	1.2.80 is what becomes 1.3	08:38
Stskeeps	1.2.0.90 is what becomes 1.2.1	08:38
Jay_BEE	ahh, thanks	08:38
Stskeeps	1.2.80 is kind of the wild west atm ;)	08:39
sofar	MeeGoBot: buildnumbers?	08:39
MeeGoBot	sofar: Sorry, I've no idea what 'buildnumbers' might be.	08:39
Jay_BEE	wild west... hehe	08:39
Stskeeps	infobot: buildnumbers?	08:39
sofar	MeeGoBot: buildnumbers is 1.2.0.80+ is what becomes 1.2.1, 1.2.80.x is what becomes 1.3	08:39
MeeGoBot	sofar: ok	08:39
sofar	infobot: ask meegobot what buildnumbers is	08:39
sofar	~buildnumbers	08:40
sofar	?buildnumbers	08:40
sofar	sigh	08:40
sofar	buildnumbers?	08:40
sofar	useless bots...	08:40
Stskeeps	MeeGoBot: buildnumbers?	08:40
MeeGoBot	Stskeeps: I seem to recall that buildnumbers is 1.2.0.80+ is what becomes 1.2.1, 1.2.80.x is what becomes 1.3	08:40
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bkalinga	which is the MeeGo tablet available in the market that supports MeeGo1.2	09:53
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Jaffa	bkalinga: The WeTab in Germany runs a MeeGo 1.1-based OS; and they're moving it up to MeeGo 1.2-based	09:57
bkalinga	can i buy that in India	09:59
bkalinga	any MeeGo supported handheld device other than Nokia N900? is there in the Market	10:00
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Jay_BEE	http://wiki.meego.com/devices	10:01
lbt_nur	where can we see a summary of 1.2.1 vs 1.2.0 planned changes?	10:01
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Stskeeps	lbt_nur: bugzilla, possibly for core	10:02
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Stskeeps	lbt_nur: tablet ux is a reference ux so they kinda just add stuff atm	10:02
vgrade	MeeGo meeting tonight, Dusseldorf, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1522	10:02
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Stskeeps	lbt_nur: any specific use case?	10:03
lbt_nur	ta Stskeeps; we'll mainly be interested in the lower/middleware	10:03
lbt_nur	I had understood 1.2.1 to be a "tablet release"	10:03
Stskeeps	there's release plans on wiki too	10:03
Stskeeps	right, well, not exclusively, i think	10:03
lbt_nur	yeah... but they're schedules rather than feature plans	10:04
Stskeeps	riht	10:04
lbt_nur	key issues are that 1.2.0 is not doing the fastboot stuff	10:04
lbt_nur	and we're looking for a stable base	10:04
Stskeeps	fastboot? you mean systemd?	10:04
lbt_nur	sorry ... brainfade	10:04
lbt_nur	yes	10:04
Stskeeps	well, that's a 1.3 thing	10:04
sofar	duh	10:04
Stskeeps	and very invasive :)	10:04
sofar	there's no way you can do systemd in a 1.2 branch	10:05
sofar	it's like weeks of work for just the base	10:05
lbt_nur	sofar: safer to ask	10:05
Stskeeps	but auke's right - 1.2 is in a feature freeze/only bug fixes go in	10:05
Stskeeps	even on 1.2.1	10:05
Stskeeps	for core/ivi	10:05
sofar	we're going to have to almost entirely redo the tablet UX way of starting things in the future	10:05
lbt_nur	nod ... that's useful	10:05
sofar	for 1.3/1.4+	10:05
lbt_nur	robtaylor: ping	10:05
Stskeeps	i already quite like 1.3 for doing stuff, systemd really simplifies a lot of activities	10:06
sofar	1.2 is frozen for features entirely, basically	10:06
lbt_nur	agreed but we want a stable base	10:06
Stskeeps	which 1.2 technically is :P	10:06
sofar	we now need to get all the 1.2 tablet ux changes back in 1.3	10:06
sofar	1.3 will be stable in several months, lol ;)	10:07
lbt_nur	Stskeeps: yes ... so when we're building on top we don't expect to see regressions appear due to api changes	10:08
Stskeeps	lbt_nur: :nod:	10:08
* lbt_nur wonders about kernel plans for 1.2.1		10:08
Stskeeps	same as 1.2, probably	10:09
Stskeeps	adaptation kernel policy is fairly relaxed	10:09
lbt_nur	OK - thanks - these are not iss	10:10
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lbt_nur	ues I've been tracking up to now :)	10:10
vvaltone	you mean you want linux 3.0 in your meego because it has a bigger major version number? :P	10:10
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lbt_nur	vvaltone: of course	10:11
Stskeeps	higher is ok, lesser is problematic	10:11
sofar	lbt_nur: who's 'we' ?	10:11
lbt_nur	sofar: I'm working with some nice guys at Teleca as well for a while	10:12
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lbt_nur	we're planning the integration processes	10:12
lbt_nur	and it helps to know how dynamic the baseline is	10:12
Stskeeps	systemd on top of 1.2 wouldn't be compliant, at least, personally if i was doing it, i would develop stack on top of 1.2 while maintaining a branch on top of 1.3	10:14
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Stskeeps	1.2 for the sake you can develop apps and middleware with ease, 1.3 for platform level things	10:14
sofar	1.2 compliance isn't done yet, is it?	10:15
sofar	but yeah, most likely compliance will list chkconfig as requirement, lol	10:15
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Stskeeps	it isn't, but a major core difference from what's released in 1.2 would just screw up the landscape :)	10:15
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Stskeeps	nite sofar	10:16
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lbt_nur	night	10:17
Stskeeps	lbt_nur: someone messed up immensely somewhere if ABI/API changes in the compliance set got in, at least - or even in the wider set	10:18
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Stskeeps	into 1.2 or 1.2.1	10:18
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lbt_nur	Stskeeps: in general I'd expect feature changes to open the door to some level of api change - agreed that significant breakage wouldn't be expected	10:20
Stskeeps	lbt_nur: generally new features don't make it in, except the stuff about EDS	10:20
lbt_nur	tracking 1.3 would probably introduce api changes	10:20
Stskeeps	yes, it would	10:20
Stskeeps	but so it should :P	10:20
lbt_nur	nod ... so I misunderstood the comments about 1.2.1 at the conference	10:21
lbt_nur	probably because I didn't care too much at the time :)	10:21
Stskeeps	there was a long discussion on meego-releases@	10:21
Stskeeps	that explains it quite well, along with the wiki page	10:21
lbt_nur	OK -I'll take a look at the archives	10:21
Stskeeps	http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.2	10:21
Stskeeps	it's not just a schedule, explains stuff too	10:22
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lbt_nur	nod	10:24
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lbt_nur	I was looking for feature plans - having understood 1.2.1 to have certain new features for the tablet area	10:25
Stskeeps	it does, but that's in the tablet space	10:25
Stskeeps	ie, stuff not part of core	10:25
Stskeeps	so just in the 'reference ux'	10:26
Stskeeps	1.2 didn't officially have a tablet release :)	10:26
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lbt_nur	it would be good to see - to be able to say "these are the features - please verify they will not impact plans"	10:27
lbt_nur	but... meeting now.... bbiab	10:27
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sln	Hi all, I have 1 git repo and several different qt apps in it, each in own subfolder. Is it possible to create 1 yaml for generating several packages without intermediate Makefile in root of my repo?	10:42
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bkalinga	http://pastebin.com/giyMaGN2	10:52
bkalinga	Not able to start qt assistant	10:52
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Jay_BEE	gn	11:23
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bkalinga	it seems my qt assistant is broken in my set up	11:26
bkalinga	how can i patch it up	11:26
bkalinga	Could not load translation file assistant_en_IN in directory /usr/share/qt4/translations	11:27
bkalinga	Could not load translation file qt_en_IN in directory /usr/share/qt4/translations.	11:27
bkalinga	Error reading collection file '/home/kalinga/.local/share/data/Trolltech/Assistant/qthelpcollection_4.7.2.qhc': Cannot load sqlite database driver!.	11:27
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robtaylor	lbt_nur: pong	12:33
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lbt_nur	hey robtaylor	12:57
lbt_nur	I was just asking questions about baselines and 1.2.1 and 1.2.0 earlier	12:57
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lbt_nur	some of the discussions should be releavant	12:57
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ali1234	has anyone seen problems with the ideapad battery and wifi?	14:57
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ali1234	last time i reinstalled meego, after it was done the ideapad turned off and wouldn't turn on again using only battery	14:57
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ali1234	i booted up meego on ac and it said the battery was at 0% and not charging	14:58
ali1234	after i powered off, unplugged, and replugged the battery it worked fine	14:58
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ali1234	but my wifi has not worked since	14:58
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ali1234	actually the wifi works and is detected but appears as permanently disabled in the meego ui	15:00
slaine	ali1234: You might have to go into the BIOS and rest to defaults	15:00
slaine	I had a similar wifi problem not long after meegoconf dublin	15:01
ali1234	ok, i'll try it	15:01
ali1234	slaine: that worked, thanks	15:02
slaine	cool	15:02
ali1234	btw, i am still fighting against uncompilable packages	15:03
ali1234	eg https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14307	15:03
MeeGoBot	Bug 14307 nor, Medium, ---, kai.chai, RESO WORKSFORME, kernel build with rpmbuild fails during prep	15:04
ali1234	despite being marked "works for me" this package still cannot be compiled with rpmbuild on a real meego install	15:04
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ali1234	i'm thinking about a way to automate the test	15:04
ali1234	something like:	15:04
ali1234	1. record the list of installed packages	15:04
ali1234	2. zypper si <package>	15:05
ali1234	3. rpmbuild <package>	15:05
ali1234	4. remove any packages not in the list stored at 1	15:05
slaine	Don't forget to get the <package> build deps	15:05
ali1234	zypper si installs build deps	15:05
slaine	ah ok	15:05
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ali1234	there's -d and -D for only deps and only package, respectively	15:06
ali1234	oh it might be the other way around	15:06
ali1234	anyway point is, after rpmbuild i want to remove any deps that zypper si installed	15:06
ali1234	otherwise i won't catch rpms with missing deps	15:06
lcuk	ali1234,	15:07
lcuk	the battery thing	15:07
ali1234	yes?	15:07
lcuk	I have encountered it once	15:07
ali1234	battery and wifi thing almost certainly related	15:07
lcuk	and when I booted up wifi was off too	15:07
ali1234	corrupt bios settings will do that	15:07
lcuk	it only cured after I went into bios, reset to default and saved	15:07
lcuk	yeah	15:08
ali1234	yeah, already been there, done that :)	15:08
lcuk	do not think it is meego related	15:08
ali1234	probably not, no	15:08
ali1234	i mean if anything it would be a kernel bug	15:08
ali1234	something to do with power down	15:09
ali1234	but more likely it's a bios bug	15:09
lcuk	ali1234, thankfully ideapad on default bios is ok	15:09
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lcuk	for a while on other computers i had a load of settings ticked and changed	15:09
lcuk	and would dislike having to setup again after reset to default	15:10
ali1234	yeah	15:10
* lcuk really likes ideapad		15:10
ali1234	i like it too	15:10
ali1234	the only thing i don't like is the weight	15:10
lcuk	but it is too big to do everything and n900 has better writing input :)	15:10
ali1234	it's too heavy to use as a tablet :(	15:10
lcuk	nahh	15:10
ali1234	i can't stand to use the n900 any more	15:11
lcuk	I have a 20" allinone desktop monitor/pc (packard bell onetwo)	15:11
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ali1234	the resistive touchscreen is just horrible to use	15:11
lcuk	THAT is too heavy for tablet use	15:11
lcuk	ali1234, I write on my n900 every day	15:11
lcuk	it is dreamy	15:11
ali1234	i use my c7 if i want to use something like that	15:11
ali1234	resistive screens just need to go away	15:11
lcuk	best most accurate touch sensor for resistive I have ever had	15:11
ali1234	that's not saying much	15:11
lcuk	ali1234, depends on utility I suppose	15:11
lcuk	I like to write on it	15:12
ali1234	with resistive you have to press so hard that accuracy goes out the window	15:12
lcuk	stylus point is sharp	15:12
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lcuk	and does not require much pressure :)	15:12
lcuk	like pencil drawing	15:12
ali1234	i don't use a stylus	15:12
lcuk	and you are expecting it to work as a capacitive	15:12
ali1234	i find hand writing uncomfortable and annoying	15:12
lcuk	I use my resistive screen as intended	15:12
ali1234	but we've been here before	15:12
* lcuk sees people with styluses and plectrums all over		15:13
lcuk	:)	15:13
lcuk	yes ali1234	15:13
lcuk	and then as now: a dual mode screen with best from capacitive and also accuracy of resistive would be good	15:13
ali1234	sure	15:14
lcuk	so that I can still accurately write	15:14
* lcuk looks at noteslate		15:14
ali1234	well, there's that device that has exactly that	15:14
ali1234	with special capacitive stylus	15:14
lcuk	no	15:14
ali1234	i think it's a HTC?	15:14
lcuk	capacitive stylus does not make up for accuracy	15:14
ali1234	yes it does	15:14
lcuk	it is like writing with a crayon	15:14
lcuk	fat and imprecise	15:14
lcuk	or writing with a paintbrush	15:15
RST38h	Should try electrically charged needles	15:15
* lcuk prefers a quill or fountain pen		15:15
RST38h	Preferably glowing in the dark with the St Elmo fire	15:15
lcuk	RST38h, a variable sword	15:16
ali1234	htc flyer	15:17
lcuk	Variable Sword - An ultra-thin wire of molecular monofilament, made rigid and protected by a stasis field, forming a nearly invisible (and extremely sharp) blade. The wire can be extended to varying lengths (hence the name) and has a glowing red ball to mark the end of the blade.	15:18
RST38h	too complex	15:18
berndhs	clay tablets are still the way to go	15:18
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lcuk	berndhs, heh	15:19
lcuk	my ideapad is the size and wight of a clay tablet :P	15:19
lcuk	weight	15:19
* lcuk has written some rules for house with it :O		15:20
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berndhs	yeah but if you bake it, does the writing become permanent?	15:20
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lcuk	berndhs, probably	15:21
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berndhs	how about a white background and dry erase markers ?	15:22
lcuk	berndhs, works for me	15:23
lcuk	my x41 had a pen stylus	15:23
lcuk	which worked well	15:23
lcuk	but i cannot afford another one just yet	15:23
lcuk	and I would want dual mode because capacitive at 10" is nice	15:23
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jbos	sage ping	19:20
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npm	IMHO, the meego tablet "ondemand" cpu throttling really makes it sluggish... including just scrolling panels around	19:20
npm	as soon as i turn it to performance mode, everything works nice	19:20
jbos	why is in core group some kde mobile packages?	19:20
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jbos	and kde maintainer has no idea where and what they are?!	19:21
npm	seems like the ondemand throttling on the CPU needs to be made more responsive	19:21
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jbos	sage http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vhv5AlEBgBgJ:lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-packaging/2011-January/246461.html+MEEGO+CORE+kdemobile&cd=2&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.de	19:32
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jbos	i dont think it was intended for vcore vertical	19:33
BlueAidan	anyone using meego on dell's inspiron duo?	19:33
jbos	;)	19:33
BlueAidan	the touchscreen isn't working for me	19:33
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gabrbedd	BlueAidan: what version of meego are you using?	19:36
BlueAidan	tried the 1.2 image	19:36
BlueAidan	fwiw, it seems like ubuntu 11.04 is having issues with it too... most posts online say you have to add a quirk bit to the kernel boot line	19:37
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gabrbedd	BlueAidan: there's more than one 1.2 image... try installing the kernel-adaptation-pinetrail kernel.	19:38
BlueAidan	xorg mentions egalax in the logfile on ubuntu.	19:39
BlueAidan	ok, I'll give that a shot	19:39
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BlueAidan	this seems to be related: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=17967	19:39
BlueAidan	I'll give that image a go later this week though	19:40
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gabrbedd	BlueAidan: Looks like that won't solve it.	19:43
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gabrbedd	BlueAidan: look in your Xorg file. Is the touchscreen being associated with the 'mtev' driver?	19:44
gabrbedd	BlueAidan: If not... that's probably the problem.	19:44
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BlueAidan	I don't have the meego image handy; just ubuntu 11.04. and I left the power cord at work. ;)	19:44
gabrbedd	BlueAidan: Might take some tweaking of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d file	19:44
BlueAidan	wish the dock would get here	19:44
gabrbedd	BlueAidan: My bet is that the kernel driver in kernel-adaptation-pinetrail is good... and that it's an X11 config issue.	19:45
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Sage	jbos: pong	20:28
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maligor	I could send you one too, how do you want to pay it?	20:35
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CosmoHill	slave labour okay?	20:37
maligor	lcuky me	20:37
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lcuk	CosmoHill, the weather outside my house: http://liqbase.net/20110614_002.mp4	20:39
CosmoHill	that is sweet	20:40
lcuk	CosmoHill, it is amusing	20:41
lcuk	and grows each time I tag something as weather	20:41
CosmoHill	could be a cool screen saver	20:41
lcuk	i have a similar fish tank too	20:41
CosmoHill	oo, the screen saver is the current weather in your location?	20:41
lcuk	with all my drawn fish sketches	20:42
lcuk	but some of them swim backwards :S	20:42
lcuk	CosmoHill, not right now	20:42
lcuk	but it is a piece of liq*	20:42
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sofar	lcuk: lol	20:45
blindfish	wow, just find out the browser can select text now, works pretty nice	20:46
lcuk	incase you thought I was joking http://liqbase.net/20110614_003.mp4	20:46
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CosmoHill	it's just an image going from left to right when it should be the other way around	20:46
CosmoHill	on a side note your website is on a good server	20:47
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lcuk	CosmoHill, not images, vector sketches	20:47
lcuk	but yes somebody (tracy) drew hers backwards	20:47
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Sage	wow, the installation problem has been solved.	21:19
* Sage is going to test the latest tablet snapshot on exopc		21:19
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jedix	what installation problem?	21:20
alterego	Sage: let me know how well it works :)	21:20
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Sage	bug 18557	21:21
MeeGoBot	Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18557 cri, High, ---, chengwei.yang, RELE FIXED, Installation freezes during live image copy	21:21
Sage	jedix: ^	21:21
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jedix	that would indeed be a problem.	21:22
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Sage	lol	21:27
Sage	can't login two accounts if the username is same but the type is different (facebook, gmail, jabber ...) ;D	21:27
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Sage	bugs.meego.com down?	21:29
alterego	cwap .. How do you close meego ux apps?	21:30
Stskeeps	worksforme	21:30
Stskeeps	alterego: blue button backspace on n900	21:30
lcuk	sage uppy downy, saw the wiki flicker a minute ago	21:31
alterego	Ah, thanks :)	21:31
timoph	xournal works in ce	21:31
timoph	just needed to install libgnomecanvas first	21:31
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lcuk	timoph, :D	21:33
* timoph is drawing smily faces with it		21:33
lcuk	timoph, some smiley motivation: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110608_234327.mytags.scr.png	21:35
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lcuk	a whole gallery of them :D	21:35
timoph	:D	21:35
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Stskeeps	OBS seems to be flickering a bit too	21:36
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lcuk	timoph, are these test apps being put towards the meego apps stuff?	21:37
lcuk	ie will they be available once we have a downloader app for folks	21:37
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timoph	currently they're just in my home project	21:37
lcuk	and as for xournal, did you use hte maemo version or native gtk original?	21:37
timoph	hmmh	21:38
lcuk	timoph, your home is an awesome place for apps :)	21:38
timoph	can't remember :)	21:38
lcuk	araujo, yes they are on a rollercoaster	21:38
araujo	lcuk, what did you do this time?	21:39
araujo	:P	21:39
lcuk	wasn't me!	21:39
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alterego	lcuk: I'm still laking a decent idea for this weekend :/	21:42
alterego	lcuk: I hope they give out freebies too :P	21:42
lcuk	i am still lacking a contacts import :P	21:42
Sage	what is the username for the facebook chat in the tablet ux image? Is it the email or realname or something else?	21:42
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alterego	I'm doing it now! :P	21:43
Texrat	hola	21:43
alterego	Hey Texrat	21:43
lcuk	oh shit, its Texrat	21:43
timoph	Texrat: o/	21:43
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Texrat	and I don't want to know what alterego is doing	21:43
lcuk	now we know why the servers are down	21:43
timoph	lcuk: hide!	21:43
Texrat	probably TMI	21:43
lcuk	and put the gambling tables and hookers away	21:43
Texrat	sigh	21:43
alterego	Texrat: How's life without a phone?	21:43
lcuk	err actually, lets just move the gambling	21:43
Texrat	I came here for fun dammit	21:43
timoph	:)	21:43
Texrat	lol alterego	21:43
Texrat	I'm going nuts thinking there may be a job offer on it :D	21:44
Stskeeps	'lo Texrat	21:44
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Texrat	hey keepsie	21:44
timoph	btw, was there some easy way to take screenshots in ce?	21:44
alterego	Texrat: my phone call today went really well I think :)	21:44
timoph	or do we need a screenshot app? :p	21:45
alterego	timoph: I'm working on that too ..	21:45
Texrat	awesome alterego	21:45
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timoph	alterego: cool	21:45
Texrat	I hate doing it that way, but better than nothing!	21:45
lcuk	As meego (ssh meego@192.168.2.15):	21:45
lcuk	export DISPLAY=:0 && gst-launch-0.10 ximagesrc num-buffers=1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! pngenc ! filesink location=screenshot_`date +%Y%m%d_%H%M%S`.png	21:45
lcuk	In computer:	21:45
lcuk	scp meego@192.168.2.15:/home/meego/screenshot.png ~/Desktop	21:45
* Texrat kicks lcuk		21:45
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timoph	lcuk: thanks	21:45
alterego	lcuk: you stole my script! :P	21:45
alterego	Though mine auto uploads to a remote server :P	21:45
lcuk	alterego, I made the script handily reachable when people ask	21:45
* lcuk still thinks proper screenshot should be universal keycombo		21:46
Texrat	I am on a boring server move conference for work	21:46
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Texrat	needed a diversion	21:46
* phunguy agrees with lcuk		21:47
lcuk	Texrat, mrs Rat not around to check for messageds	21:47
lcuk	-d	21:47
Texrat	lcuk she can't understand my E71	21:47
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* alterego wonders who "@SuedeMutant" is		21:47
lcuk	Texrat, how do I add some followers	21:48
Texrat	lcuk in twitter?	21:48
lcuk	on twitter, it is hovering near 400	21:48
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Texrat	lcuk there are several techniques... share interesting news for one	21:48
Texrat	also retweet a lot	21:49
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Texrat	and address high profile twitterers by name. If they reply, you get a lot of attention	21:49
Texrat	heck I now have a few famous people following my account	21:49
Texrat	not even sure why!	21:49
lcuk	heh yeah all normal stuff	21:50
lcuk	i keep getting ux folks mostly	21:50
Texrat	if someone with a lot of followers retweets or replies to you, odds are you will pick up several followers	21:50
Texrat	lcuk you need to broaden the scope of what you share	21:50
lcuk	i did	21:50
lcuk	i just twittered about wanting cleaning elves	21:51
Texrat	I do sports, social issues, arts and film, etc	21:51
lcuk	:D arts is good indeed	21:51
lcuk	lots of new folks when I got guided tour around #IntelRemastered :D	21:51
Texrat	anyway you asked, and that's it in a nutshell	21:51
Texrat	I don't make a special effort	21:51
* lcuk knows and thanks		21:51
Texrat	I pick up TONS of followers during conferences	21:51
lcuk	conversation is important everywhere	21:51
Texrat	tweeting ongoing stuff	21:51
lcuk	i picked up a metric boat load in February	21:52
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lcuk	Texrat, would you wear sandles with or without socks?	21:53
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lcuk	sandalssandals even	21:53
Texrat	I never wear sandals with socks	21:54
Texrat	hell I rarely wear tennis shoes with socks	21:54
timoph	lcuk: http://timoph.fi/xournal.png	21:54
lcuk	timoph, now, imagine you are autograph hunting	21:54
lcuk	a bunch of celebs are walking past	21:55
lcuk	you have to get 5 autographs from each as they walk past	21:55
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timoph	yeah. that's the tool for it :)	21:56
lcuk	actually that is a cool app "autograph maker"	21:56
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lcuk	timoph, at 2009 summit I gave device to a bunch of people and asked them to draw flowers	21:57
lcuk	they are now (a little delayed) tagged and grouped correctly lol	21:57
* SpeedEvil has only 10 people following him.		21:57
timoph	:D	21:57
lcuk	SpeedEvil, what is your twitter account	21:58
SpeedEvil	It is a hidden account though, which cannot be traced back to me.	21:58
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timoph	haha	21:58
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fiferboy	lcuk: I'm about to break 40 followers!	21:58
Texrat	you go fiferboy	21:58
lcuk	lets have a twitter fest then ---> http://twitter.com/lcuk	21:59
alterego	I have 27	21:59
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alterego	I'm sure I don't say anything _that_ interesting anyway.	21:59
Texrat	surrounded by amateurs :P	21:59
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alterego	I've had my twitter account for about 1 month	21:59
alterego	:P	21:59
lcuk	tracy used to block people who she did not know	21:59
alterego	I'd say 5 a week isn't bad :D	21:59
fiferboy	Texrat: What is your follower count?	22:00
Texrat	at some point the follower list takes on a life of its own	22:00
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lcuk	yeah Texrat	22:00
Texrat	fiferboy 797 last I checked	22:00
fiferboy	Texrat: :O	22:00
lcuk	you make bloggy posts and stuff too	22:00
* lcuk should also make a weblog		22:00
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Texrat	yeah but conferences pull in the most new people that stick	22:00
lcuk	but I tend to waffle in here	22:00
Texrat	while I tweeted during #MeeGoConf they were adding up like crazy	22:01
Texrat	so that's another tool: hastags	22:01
Texrat	hashtags*	22:01
fiferboy	That is where I added about half my followers :/	22:01
Texrat	if you include hashtags, a lot of people browsing those tags will see you	22:02
Texrat	they otherwise would not	22:02
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Texrat	also participate in trending topic discussions	22:02
alterego	Basically, whore your self out lcuk :P	22:02
Texrat	if you post some outrage by [insert government here] you will get followers too :D	22:02
Texrat	yeah what alterego said. wait--	22:03
sofar	move along to #meego-bar folks :P	22:03
Texrat	:P	22:03
alterego	Oh nice, there's some really cool info in ~/.oscrc	22:04
alterego	I'd like: 'extra-pkgs = *.rpm' :D	22:04
lcuk	http://liqbase.net/grid/grid.png <<<<< bonus points to guess just what this is	22:04
Texrat	lcuk I'm guessing a grid	22:05
alterego	Heh	22:05
lcuk	what is the data though ;)	22:05
alterego	IS it grid computing?	22:05
Texrat	grid data	22:05
Texrat	lcuk I am not sure it's loading right for me	22:06
Texrat	so broken grid	22:06
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lcuk	Texrat, it is rather large	22:06
fiferboy	It is rather WIDE, anyway	22:06
lcuk	32376*992	22:06
Texrat	zoom is my friend	22:06
lcuk	it is actually a snapshot from a running app	22:07
alterego	Looks like it's a representation of your activity.	22:07
lcuk	the app takes over 2 minutes from clicking to viewing	22:07
Texrat	lcuk I see "smile", "hello"... tag cloud?	22:07
alterego	Your liqbase history.	22:07
lcuk	yes alterego every sketch/photo/screenshot/tag done in a grid based on days. I can click on any cell to view the data it represents	22:07
alterego	Indexed by month and subject	22:07
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alterego	Ah, month :)	22:08
alterego	How does that fit on your N900 :P	22:08
lcuk	alterego, that is the big daddy machine, it would happily run on the n900 I just never copied all the data over	22:08
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alterego	"big daddy machine" :P	22:09
Texrat	on N900 you kinetic scroll until your finger falls off	22:09
lcuk	alterego, yes the one containing all the data	22:09
lcuk	Texrat, it does on the big device too :P	22:09
alterego	Heh	22:09
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Texrat	pico projectors for the win	22:09
* lcuk finds a pico projector with 32768*992 resolution		22:10
lcuk	super ultra awesome mega wide screen :D	22:10
Texrat	Julien Fourgeaud created a pico projector rig that let's people play Angry Birds on the side of buildings	22:10
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lcuk	Texrat, pah, angry virds	22:10
timoph	oh. that reminds me	22:10
Texrat	lets*	22:10
Texrat	well any game lcuk	22:10
lcuk	onedotzero had that side of building thing ages ago :P	22:10
alterego	lcuk: you just need 51 pico projectors and 51 N900's to drive them	22:11
alterego	That would be the grid :P	22:11
Texrat	lol alterego	22:11
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alterego	Lets round it to 50 and you can still do a little scrolling :P	22:11
Texrat	crowdsourcing at its finest	22:11
alterego	Oh scht	22:12
timoph	Techical university guys played tetris on a building's windows	22:12
timoph	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ril6OYSKD3A	22:12
alterego	My girlfriend is coming back from Berlin tonight.	22:12
* alterego completely forgot :D		22:12
Texrat	lucky you alterego	22:12
Texrat	on the other hand I would like to SEND my wife	22:12
lcuk	alterego, so a system to mesh together the outputs from various devices and run them in concert with each other	22:12
lcuk	hmm	22:12
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Texrat	oh crap we have lcuk thinking now	22:13
alterego	Yes	22:13
lcuk	alterego, if you had contaacts importing in meego you would not have forgotten	22:13
Texrat	I remmeber starting that in Amsterdam	22:13
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lcuk	Texrat, :)	22:13
alterego	lcuk: I'm still working on it :P	22:13
lcuk	well I made that work	22:13
alterego	lcuk: just trying to get your script included in the package.	22:13
lcuk	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdVqdfFdL3Q	22:13
lcuk	:P	22:13
lcuk	Texrat, ^^	22:13
Texrat	there we were, about 6 guys huddled under my umbrella outside an Amsterdam bar, lcuk demoing liq-stuff...	22:14
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Texrat	his brain finally absorbs so many ideas he can't stand it, and runs off to his hotel room to code	22:14
alterego	Heh	22:14
* lcuk guesses tomorrow will be similar		22:14
lcuk	err saturday	22:14
alterego	:)	22:14
alterego	Lets hope	22:14
alterego	I still don't have an idea.	22:14
lcuk	i already have a whole set of thoughts	22:14
Texrat	you usually do!	22:15
* lcuk prepared for things		22:15
Texrat	feh, preparation is an idea KILLER	22:15
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Texrat	stay loose	22:15
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lcuk	Texrat, last few weeks I have been able to organise all my sketches into groups of tags :)	22:15
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Texrat	dammit we need another Amsterdam	22:16
lcuk	really peaceful to actually tag and group in a whole sequence, its like playing a game	22:16
Texrat	Dublin and SF okay, but...	22:16
Ronksu	when was amsterdam?	22:16
Texrat	2009	22:16
timoph	2009?	22:16
lcuk	in amsterdam as now, I need extra hands	22:16
Texrat	Maemo Summit	22:16
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Texrat	yeah lcuk but the level of creativity we had...	22:17
Texrat	it was magic	22:17
lcuk	i know, I have the notes	22:17
Texrat	lol	22:17
timoph	I remember that because I didn't go because I decided to spend the money to preorder my n900...	22:17
alterego	Heh	22:17
lcuk	i had already gone out the night before and done stuff	22:17
NGE01	I install meego 1.2-de on n900 I stitch the second time because it was not stitched from the first. I do on wiki? In what the problem can be?	22:17
* Texrat slaps timoph		22:17
alterego	I tried to go but I ended up in Iceland	22:17
alterego	Go figure ..	22:17
lcuk	yes, mums go to iceland.	22:17
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* timoph deserved that		22:18
* Texrat feels bad now about slapping timoph		22:18
lcuk	timoph, hang on	22:18
timoph	:)	22:18
Stskeeps	i hope by god we won't get any preorder threads on tmo this time around	22:18
Texrat	we need to start our own company that requires frequent global get-togethers	22:18
lcuk	pr1.2 thread was/is the most awesome thread on tmo	22:19
Texrat	lol stskeeps	22:19
Texrat	Chuck Norris!!!!!!	22:19
lcuk	it was the only time I believe we had people writing on body parts	22:19
Stskeeps	(i still read tmo, but i don't participate)	22:19
Stskeeps	(login erased, etc)	22:19
lcuk	Stskeeps, cheat	22:19
Texrat	figured as much stskeeps	22:19
Texrat	after council term I may bail	22:19
* w00t_QtCS doesn't really go there		22:20
lcuk	Texrat, :) did you know, alterego is making a little app to import all the maemo contacts details	22:20
Texrat	my personal council goal was to get serious dialog going about just moving to meego, abut getting backlash on that	22:20
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* alterego registers Stskeeps on tmo		22:20
alterego	And let the fun begin!	22:20
lcuk	so that when you bootup meego everyone you know is there	22:20
Texrat	I plan to act as abill_uk's campaign manager and get him on next council	22:21
Texrat	along with danramos	22:21
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lcuk	hahahaha	22:21
lcuk		22:21
lcuk	zehjotkah Cosimo	22:21
lcuk	@lcuk finally I found a wallpaper with the right resolution for my screen! ;)	22:21
Stskeeps	Texrat: that did solve qole's trolling indeed (apologies qole, you know i mean this in jest)	22:21
timoph	there's going to be a council after this one?	22:21
Texrat	who knows timoph	22:22
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Stskeeps	timoph: it'll be like those weird exile governments	22:22
Texrat	stskeeps which qole trolling?	22:22
Stskeeps	Texrat: as in, he was much more calm after having been on council ;)	22:22
Texrat	ah	22:22
lcuk		22:22
lcuk	mightytonka Craig Tonks	22:22
lcuk	@lcuk Holy Crap. That crashed my phone	22:22
timoph	Texrat: I somewhat know the guy	22:22
Texrat	it does sober one up	22:23
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Texrat	now i gotta really watch my mouth being on meego community office...	22:23
Texrat	and of course qole took THAT and ran with it	22:24
Stskeeps	what, you have to watch your mouth while being in a nominated role? :(	22:24
Texrat	stskeeps you know people read OFFICIAL shit into that	22:24
Stskeeps	heh	22:24
Texrat	I already caught crap for things I said while on council	22:24
Stskeeps	people nowadays think information from coffee beans is official	22:24
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Stskeeps	"oh that ink blot looks like a N9"	22:25
Texrat	hell even as a moderator, ie, "moderators aren't supposed to participate in threads!"	22:25
gabrbedd	Texrat: "When words are many, transgression is unavoidable." - the bible	22:25
gabrbedd	:-P	22:25
* Texrat thwacks gabrbedd for daring to dispense wisdom here		22:25
* gabrbedd shields up!		22:25
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lcuk	Texrat, understandable really	22:26
lcuk	for mainstream commenting I have this on my wall:	22:26
* Texrat diverts full power to forward torpedoes		22:26
lcuk	http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/052011/how_to_leave_comments_on_the_internet.jpg	22:26
Stskeeps	Texrat: time to get a alternative identity, like my abill_uk, just to spout crap	22:26
Stskeeps	:P	22:26
Texrat	bwahahahahahahaaa	22:27
Texrat	o what?	22:27
timoph	lcuk: I need to print that :D	22:27
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alterego	Hah	22:27
Texrat	the best alternate IDs argue with each other... we had a tmo guy do that a few years ago. It was classic	22:27
alterego	My alterego is now Stskeeps,	22:27
lcuk	timoph, I did :) : http://liqbase.net/20110526_002.jpg	22:27
alterego	For some reason it's free on maemo.org	22:27
* gabrbedd prepares countermeasures		22:27
Texrat	my alterego is now alterego	22:28
* Texrat depoys counter-countermeasures		22:28
alterego	We can't have two alteregoes that would just be confusing.	22:28
Texrat	your point being?	22:28
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gabrbedd	depoys?	22:28
Texrat	feh	22:28
gabrbedd	oh	22:28
Texrat	deLoys	22:28
Texrat	...	22:28
alteralterego	meh	22:29
gabrbedd	deCoys	22:29
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gabrbedd	deBoys	22:29
gabrbedd	(or is that daBoys)	22:29
berndhs	McCoys ?	22:29
Texrat	apparently I fail at counter-countermeasures, and surrender to gabrbedd	22:29
Texrat	enjoys	22:29
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berndhs	Hatfields ?	22:29
* gabrbedd sends a suicide away-team to negotiate terms of surrender		22:29
Texrat	see we need this much fun at forum.meego.com	22:30
* Texrat notices high number of red shirts in gabrbedd's away team		22:30
lcuk	apple bashing	22:30
lcuk	http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/81442214550573057	22:30
gabrbedd	away team: self-distruct on my mark.	22:30
lcuk	great for a few followers	22:30
gabrbedd	s/distruct/destruct/	22:30
infobot	gabrbedd meant: away team: self-destruct on my mark.	22:30
gabrbedd	away team: Engage!	22:30
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vldcnst	phaser out of power	22:31
* Texrat figures if gabrbedd's way team can't spell destruct then they can't do it, either		22:31
gabrbedd	Texrat: Darn it! I told them to take their little blue pills.	22:31
lcuk	what is a way team?	22:31
* Texrat realizes gabrbedd's red-shirted away team is all Pakleds		22:31
berndhs	a way team is like a road team	22:31
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* gabrbedd charts a course for the Getworkdone System		22:32
Texrat	gabbrbed's away team: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/be/STSamaritan.jpg/270px-STSamaritan.jpg	22:33
vldcnst	ha!	22:33
TSCHAKeee	http://xkcd.com/912/ <-- that, is so wrong...	22:34
Stskeeps	TSCHAKeee: but so realisic	22:34
Stskeeps	realistic	22:34
TSCHAKeee	yuh huh.	22:34
Texrat	safe for work?	22:35
NGE01	I install meego 1.2-de on n900 I stitch the second time because it was not stitched from the first. I do on http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC In what the problem can be?	22:35
berndhs	gnu info is better than encryption sometimes	22:35
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timoph	lcuk: I already have this printed next to my work desk -> http://cdn.churchm.ag/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/if-programming-languages-were-essays1-620x1596.jpg	22:35
gabrbedd	Texrat: :-)	22:35
lcuk	:D	22:36
gabrbedd	Texrat: yes, xkcd is usually SFW.	22:36
lcuk	has xkcd ever been nsfw?	22:36
lcuk	that would cause havok	22:37
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lcuk	since 99% of folks reading it are sysadmins	22:37
Texrat	lcuk that never stops them	22:37
Texrat	at TI the sysadmins had all the porn and caused all the viruses	22:37
lcuk	that sounds more like jealousy :P	22:38
Texrat	lol	22:38
lcuk	its ermmm offline cache	22:38
Texrat	man I can't believe how quiet the meego mailing lists have been	22:38
lcuk	incase the internet breaks	22:38
Texrat	a few months ago I couldn't keep up with them	22:38
lcuk	we need to energise them with new stuff	22:39
lcuk	"meego on Nintendo Wii"	22:39
Texrat	agreed	22:39
gabrbedd	lcuk: Well, xkcd is SFW... but often NSFMK	22:39
Texrat	meego on supercomputers	22:39
lcuk	which back in the day it was considered a hackable target	22:40
berndhs	what's a good channel for help with httpd ? I broke mine	22:40
lcuk	NSFMK?	22:40
Texrat	Not Safe For My Kids	22:40
lcuk	reasonable	22:40
Texrat	Not safe For My Kitchen	22:40
andyross	build.meego.com down for everyone?	22:40
lcuk	*.meego.com is having a tantrum tonight	22:40
lcuk	up and down	22:40
Texrat	No Soup For Mad Kittens	22:41
berndhs	andyross: no the site is up from here	22:41
lcuk	and it ony gets worse as everybody asks everybody else "is *.meego.com donw	22:41
* Ronksu has been pondering about meego powered public bicycle system		22:41
Stskeeps	Ronksu: +1	22:41
timoph	andyross: works for me	22:41
lcuk	Ronksu, for real?	22:41
gabrbedd	andyross: works for me	22:41
Ronksu	lcuk: well, for about one and half commutes of thinking so far	22:41
lcuk	you mean the bike hire station computers or on the bikes themsevles?	22:41
Stskeeps	Ronksu: you could mount a freerunner to each of them. noone in their right mind would steal it.	22:42
Ronksu	oth	22:42
Ronksu	*both	22:42
alterego	Heh	22:42
Texrat	Works For Me: the ultimate geek insult	22:42
lcuk	Stskeeps, is there a system that you actually like?	22:42
timoph	:D	22:42
Texrat	"It must be you because it WORKS FOR ME"	22:42
Ronksu	would be nice to have a small display that would point out stuff close to you, and whatever one could think to push there	22:42
andyross	Yup, back up for me too. I checked from work, home and linode.com -- I swear it went away! :)	22:42
Stskeeps	lcuk: hw wise i'm quite fond of nook color	22:42
npm	Ronksu: http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/Lugdulo%27V?content=129260	22:42
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gabrbedd	Texrat: Not an insult... an implied request for more info.	22:43
Texrat	gabrbedd, trust me on this	22:43
Texrat	you just have to use it appropriately	22:43
lcuk	Stskeeps, what makes it stand out	22:43
Texrat	drop a "works for me" into a heated bug debate	22:43
Ronksu	npm: sweet	22:44
Texrat	then stand back and watch the fur fly	22:44
Stskeeps	lcuk: nice, simplistic, minimal, boots from microsd	22:44
Stskeeps	:P	22:44
npm	where does one ask questions about the Intel App-UP store rules, and also contest rules	22:44
Texrat	at appup :D	22:44
Stskeeps	npm: app up forums?	22:44
lcuk	Stskeeps, so what do you have running on it/	22:44
npm	on irc?	22:44
timoph	interwebs	22:45
Stskeeps	lcuk: right now, mostly browser and ebook reader, but once qt5 serves my bidding, that and my n900 becomes wayland+meego experimentation area	22:45
npm	i guess at the app-up preso they mentioned #meego-sdk but thart doesn't seem right	22:45
lcuk	npm, you mean the accelerator program? http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/accelerator?cid=sw:social_newsletter_om	22:45
Texrat	npm: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/	22:45
lcuk	which offers funding etc	22:45
* lcuk can still not find out how much to sign away things		22:45
Texrat	damn you lcuk for being so specific	22:45
npm	no i meant if i'm making an app, and i plan to publish on app-up store, or entrer in contest...	22:46
lcuk	Texrat, he mentioned competition and contest stuff too	22:46
npm	is it against rules for it to enable "inappropriate content for minors"	22:46
Texrat	kidding you lcuk	22:46
npm	or is there some special section for such apps.	22:46
Texrat	you made me look like an amateur	22:46
lcuk	nay dir	22:46
lcuk	you showed him the correct link	22:47
Texrat	hyperlink posting competitions: geeks only need apply	22:47
lcuk	nay sir*	22:47
Texrat	I'll see your link and raise a redirect	22:47
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npm	http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/article/validation-guidelines which i only found by searching for pornographie (in french , not english)	22:50
npm	18+ not allowed... well that anwers that..	22:51
npm	guess i can't include xtube with cutetube-qml port to tablet ux	22:51
timoph	so no porn from appup. that just leaves the rest of the internet for distributing porn	22:52
* CosmoHill blinks, then takes notes		22:52
npm	guess it has to pass the weiner test :-)	22:52
timoph	:)	22:52
gabrbedd	do the folks in europe know about the Sen. Weiner?	22:54
npm	probably, i'm sure all the newspapers are laughing at the US for being such prudes.	22:54
npm	compare to berluscone for example	22:55
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Texrat	I can't believe Weiner actually resigned. Political correctness has run amuck	22:55
Texrat	sending pics out is not a reisgnable offense	22:55
Texrat	resignable*	22:56
Texrat	if that's a word	22:56
gabrbedd	npm: Reminds me of a line in the movie Dirty Rotten Scoundrels... "Making love to a beautiful woman? Yes, that is French. Getting caught? That is American."	22:56
npm	pics of one's underwear... ooh!	22:56
Texrat	but still: between him and his wife	22:56
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Texrat	this was not a real issue	22:56
Texrat	we have congressman pullign all kinds of worse stunts	22:57
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Texrat	lol gabrbedd	22:57
gabrbedd	Texrat: Senators acting like 13-year-old boys with cellphones -- yeah, I have a problem with that.	22:57
npm	well that's the real deal.. it's a distraction. we're not talking about the republican whorehouse they setup in washington ( http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/06/09/brothel-hopping-republican-quiet-on-weiner/ )	22:58
Texrat	gabrbedd having a problem with it is one thing-- it just doesn't warrant the current level of outrage	22:58
Texrat	media overkill	22:58
Texrat	and overreaction IMO by Weiner. what a wimp	22:58
Texrat	lol npm-- exactly	22:59
Texrat	distraction is exactly what it is	22:59
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gabrbedd	Texrat: He's a Democrat -- so that's redundant.	23:01
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gabrbedd	I haven't been following it close... but weren't some of them... UNWELCOME?	23:01
gabrbedd	You've Got Text!	23:01
npm	for example, several billions $$ were simply LOST in Iraq and Afghanistan... were not talkin about that http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ea6_1308237590	23:01
Texrat	right npm	23:01
lcuk	oh dear Texrat	23:02
lcuk	http://twitter.com/lcuk	23:02
lcuk	the pic I posted - loads of people are telling me its crashing their iphones	23:02
npm	and that's on top of the hundreds of millions of cash that diseappeared... money that was earmarked for "bribes"	23:02
lcuk	works great on opera on n900 :D	23:02
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Texrat	I can't access while at work lcuk	23:02
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lcuk	Texrat, the fun of something not working on their precious iphones :P	23:02
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lcuk	I am hearing complaints from folks :$	23:03
timoph	:)	23:04
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timoph	looks like you found a critical bug	23:08
Texrat	timoph somehow I'm not sure twitter will be sympathetic to lcuk :D	23:08
timoph	:D	23:08
Texrat	twitter to lcuk: "WTF???? banned"	23:09
timoph	they should be. he's testing their app :D	23:09
Texrat	STRESS testing!	23:09
timoph	yep	23:09
Texrat	they'll assume he's a @lulzsec wannabee	23:10
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lcuk	hey I just posted a photo	23:10
lcuk	I didn't know there were so many apps available	23:11
lcuk	err crapps	23:11
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lcuk	it crashes ipads too	23:12
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lcuk	oh deary me	23:13
timoph	:D	23:13
SpeedEvil	what is this image/	23:13
lcuk	it is just a grid of the sketches made in liqbase	23:14
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Texrat	lcuk: Apple ecosystem wrecker	23:14
SpeedEvil	An image?	23:14
lcuk	yes	23:15
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lcuk	you don't often hear of apples crashing :)	23:15
lcuk	and my little sketches cannot be that powerful ;)	23:16
timoph	http://liqbase.net/grid/grid.png this	23:16
SpeedEvil	Congrats!	23:16
SpeedEvil	I will give you a fiver if you exploit the buffer overflow to install meego on all of the devices.	23:16
SpeedEvil	Then we simply spam the pic	23:16
lcuk	haha	23:17
Texrat	then lcuk really WILL be compared with lulzsec!	23:18
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gabrbedd	lcuk: I opened your image with gimp... and it says "Calling error for procedure 'gimp-image-set-resolution': Image resolution is out of bounds, using the default resolution instead."	23:21
lcuk	gabrbedd, eep	23:21
gabrbedd	lcuk: Plus, when converted to a BMP it's 96MB.	23:21
lcuk	haha	23:22
lcuk	well it does take over 2 minutes to generate	23:22
gabrbedd	lcuk: Which is what most software will do internally.	23:22
SpeedEvil	lcuk: I opened it in firefox, and my system stalled for some moments	23:22
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SpeedEvil	Though is better now.	23:22
lcuk	gabrbedd, opens fine on opera on n900	23:22
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Texrat	well, the N900 is magical	23:23
gabrbedd	lcuk: I take it bak... it opened fine on my lenny box. I didn't understand what I was seeing. Needed to zoom WAAAAAAAAY in.	23:24
timoph	lcuk: microb doesn't show it	23:24
timoph	it says that the image is not shown since it contains errors	23:24
gabrbedd	lcuk: So maybe that's part of the problem... some people see a black stripe (zoomed out) and think "huh?"	23:24
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timoph	but at least it doesn't crash	23:25
lcuk	gabrbedd, possibly but various people are telling me it crashed iphone ipad ipod etc	23:25
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SpeedEvil	lcuk: Buffer overflows are such fun	23:26
gabrbedd	lcuk: maybe OOM?	23:26
SpeedEvil	lcuk: macs?	23:26
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lcuk	gabrbedd, IDK	23:27
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lcuk	I didn't notice that it was quite so large when I made it	23:27
lcuk	I assigned a widget per column and was running the live app	23:27
lcuk	width ^	23:27
lcuk	and that scrolls and pans like a boss	23:27
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Texrat	lcuk maybe you can scale the cells down?	23:29
lcuk	Texrat, oh for sure, it makes not as much sense because I was trying to read and review them	23:29
lcuk	I can group same data by week instead of by day	23:29
lcuk	which is better :)	23:29
lcuk	was just rough prototype to see if an overview would help me organise stuff	23:30
lcuk	Texrat, I did want to see just when I am most active writing stuff or taking pictures	23:31
lcuk	Texrat, I used to have to draw grids and reports like this from massive datasets in a tax firm	23:32
* lcuk changes it to monthly :)		23:33
RST38h	<YAWN>	23:33
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gabrbedd	timoph: night night	23:42
lcuk	\o timoph	23:44
lcuk	RST38h, ACK	23:44
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alterego	Does anyone know of a reference somewhere of the rpmbuild environment variables?	23:50
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gabrbedd	alterego: environment variables? Or pre-defined macros?	23:55
gabrbedd	alterego: The best ref. I know of for rpmbuild is the 'Maximum RPM' manual.	23:55
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alterego	Predefined macros _and_ environment variables :)	23:55
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gabrbedd	alterego: If you don't know where the Maximum RPM is... google 'max rpm' and it should be the first hit.	23:56
gabrbedd	alterego: If not in there, I typically have to get lucky with a forum post... or muck around inside /usr/lib/rpm/macros.	23:57
gabrbedd	alterego: There's some /etc/rpm* and ~/.rpm* files/folders that can affect things, too.	23:57
alterego	m'kay	23:57
alterego	Thanks :)	23:58
gabrbedd	alterego: The only env. variables that I know it honors are CFLAGS, CPPFLAGS, and CXXFLAGS.	23:58
gabrbedd	alterego: If you set those on the CLI at run-time... it'll override the system flags.	23:58
gabrbedd	that is... unless the .spec file was set up to (incorrectly) override them.	23:59

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