| dm8tbr | and if not you can always use qemu-img to convert it to an vbox disk image :) | 00:00 |
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| gabrbedd | newbie007: it uses a compressed filesystem... so it's probably not the best for actually doing work in a VM environment. | 00:00 |
| newbie007 | it recognized it, I'm at the first screen. keyboard doesn't seem to work though (might be my own stupidity) | 00:00 |
| dm8tbr | click into the window ;) | 00:00 |
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| newbie007 | no it doesn't recogise it. It's a usb keyboard.. ever had this problem before... | 00:03 |
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| * newbie007 meant *never* had this problem before | 00:04 | |
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| gabrbedd | newbie007: mouse work? | 00:04 |
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| newbie007 | I cannot tell, the first screen doesn't have a mouse (I'm seeing 3 choices of Boot MeeGo, Installation Only, Boot from local drive) | 00:05 |
| gabrbedd | newbie007: That's the boot menu... so the mouse probably won't work. | 00:06 |
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| gabrbedd | newbie007: You need some way to press [ENTER] (and possibly [UP]/[DOWN]) | 00:07 |
| gabrbedd | newbie007: This part is more or less between you and virtualbox. MeeGo's doing nothing fancy here. | 00:07 |
| newbie007 | give me some credit guys, I mean I know my handle is newbie, but I can manage this screen, I'll try to dig up a ps/2 keyboard... | 00:08 |
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| newbie007 | I've never had this problem with other OS's fedora, debian, windows etc.. | 00:08 |
| newbie007 | even mac | 00:08 |
| newbie007 | I'll double check... | 00:09 |
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| gabrbedd | newbie007: nobody's calling you silly. I'm just saying that the problem appears to be with virtualbox. | 00:11 |
| gabrbedd | newbie007: the fact that your keyboard is USB should make no difference. | 00:11 |
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| newbie007 | I wouldn't fault meego for this | 00:12 |
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| delac | newbie007: maybe you released the control of the keyboard to the host system. The default control key is the right-ctrl. Try hitting that and see if the keyboard works for meego after that | 00:17 |
| newbie007 | okay here's what happened. The keyboard works fine. Until I pressed enter, then it hangs. | 00:18 |
| delac | newbie007: ah, well that is odd | 00:18 |
| newbie007 | vbox doesn't give any indication of hard drive activity, just freezes. I'll have to try qemu when I get home | 00:19 |
| delac | newbie007: does it happen every time you try to boot it? | 00:19 |
| newbie007 | yes | 00:19 |
| * newbie007 maybe I could runlevel 3 | 00:19 | |
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| gabrbedd | newbie007: what kind of processor is virtualbox emulating? | 00:22 |
| delac | newbie007: did you follow these instructions? http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox | 00:23 |
| * lcuk just wiping his eyes at hearing that a qt list with 6 data items is slow | 00:23 | |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: To be fair - 6 items is a lot. | 00:23 |
| lcuk | yeah | 00:24 |
| lcuk | it is more than I can count on one hand | 00:24 |
| lcuk | maybe it is 6 running virtual machines? | 00:24 |
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| lcuk | or individual live running simulations of chemical simulations or something | 00:24 |
| lcuk | (this came from a discussion in #qt-labs about lists and grids in symbian being sluggish and that the new scenegraph stuff should cure many things | 00:25 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 00:25 | |
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| SpeedEvil | I hate how otherwise sane devs seem to be content with 'yeah - it's slow' | 00:26 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, at the time I was panning around the graffiti wall with 8000 sketches on it | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | When doing it with a 486/25 laptop 15 years ago was quite snappy. | 00:26 |
| lcuk | on historically described as underpowered and slow ideapad | 00:26 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, heh | 00:27 |
| lcuk | regressions | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Was this at the conference? | 00:27 |
| lcuk | cygnus editor on the amiga | 00:27 |
| lcuk | was written using custom blit routines | 00:27 |
| lcuk | and could scroll to line of code oh so smoothly | 00:27 |
| lcuk | no, this is in #qt-labs now | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 00:27 |
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| * TSCHAKeee remembers Cygnus Editor | 00:31 | |
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| TSCHAKeee | that was my preferred editor for Devpac 2 and SAS/C | 00:31 |
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| lcuk | I adored many of its features | 00:31 |
| lcuk | the macro mode was powerful | 00:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | rather sad that my accelerated Amiga 3000 | 00:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | feels much faster | 00:32 |
| lcuk | and it worked exactly as required | 00:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | than most machines today. | 00:32 |
| lcuk | yes, many regressions | 00:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | that seriously pisses me off. | 00:32 |
| lcuk | people accepting not instant saddens | 00:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | AROS is insanely fast | 00:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | like, WHOA fast | 00:33 |
| lcuk | :) AREXX was nice too | 00:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | yes, a system wide scripting language long before AppleScript | 00:33 |
| lcuk | was first time seeing interop | 00:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 00:33 |
| lcuk | python comes close for linux | 00:33 |
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| lcuk | with dbus bindings etc | 00:33 |
| lcuk | but they are not as elegent | 00:33 |
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| TSCHAKeee | AREXX came from REXX, which IBM hooked all over AIX and OS/2 | 00:34 |
| lcuk | yeah i recall reading about it | 00:34 |
| lcuk | was fascinating to play on | 00:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | I think there was also an implementation for OS/400 as well | 00:34 |
| lcuk | would amiga os work for today? | 00:35 |
| lcuk | I now there is updated version somewhere | 00:35 |
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| * gabrbedd still has OS/2 Warp 4 install disks... somewhere... | 00:35 | |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: AROS. | 00:35 |
| lcuk | actually, nm TSCHAKeee taking these nice thoughts and heading into code editor myself | 00:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | don't even bother with AmigaOS 4.1 or morphOS | 00:36 |
| lcuk | \o cya in a bit | 00:36 |
| TSCHAKeee | they holed themselves off with PowerPC | 00:36 |
| TSCHAKeee | and I will never forgive them for that. | 00:36 |
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| lcuk | by the way: it is just before twenty five to eleven. http://liqbase.net/liq.20110531_223403.ciroclock_minutes_12h_time.scr.png | 00:37 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: lol... | 00:37 |
| * lcuk ponders an internet service for this :) | 00:37 | |
| berndhs | not for long | 00:38 |
| gabrbedd | a little past half past 10 | 00:38 |
| berndhs | it is broad daylight | 00:39 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, :) | 00:39 |
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| lcuk | I will set liqbase to automatically upload new photo every minute :) | 00:39 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: When setting an alarm... you could do set the time as "When the big little hand points to 6 and the big hand points to 4." | 00:41 |
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| berndhs | have to be careful though, strictly speaking that never happens | 00:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure it does. | 00:43 |
| SpeedEvil | If the user does that, it's clear that they want to redefine teh number of hours in a day. | 00:43 |
| berndhs | not on a normal clock | 00:44 |
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| berndhs | its clear what they mean, sure | 00:44 |
| gabrbedd | "When the little hand points somewhere around 6-ish and the big hand points to 4." | 00:44 |
| berndhs | and when you're done arguing with the clock about it, its too late :) | 00:45 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, :D | 00:46 |
| lcuk | no, jacob is learning to read the time out | 00:46 |
| lcuk | and to communicate it back :) | 00:46 |
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| lcuk | it has a mix of simple and more tricky words and easy to recall | 00:47 |
| gabrbedd | I like how the germans do it. | 00:47 |
| lcuk | how is that? | 00:48 |
| gabrbedd | they say something like "5 til a quarter til 3" | 00:48 |
| gabrbedd | "5 til a quarter past 2" | 00:48 |
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| gabrbedd | Troubleshooting mic is the pits. | 00:51 |
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| cordiceps | sup | 01:19 |
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| cordiceps | wow, so many nicks, just like a mainstream distro | 01:19 |
| cordiceps | can meego be installed on the Asus Transformer? | 01:19 |
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| gabrbedd | cordiceps: doubt it. uses nvidia tegra2 processor. | 01:22 |
| gabrbedd | cordiceps: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/TEGRA2 | 01:23 |
| gabrbedd | cordiceps: if you're serious about it, contact Marin Brook (vgrade) | 01:24 |
| gabrbedd | s/Marin/Martin/ | 01:24 |
| infobot | gabrbedd meant: cordiceps: if you're serious about it, contact Martin Brook (vgrade) | 01:24 |
| cordiceps | but it's a tablet | 01:25 |
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| cordiceps | that's the only acceptable tablet out there I can think of. | 01:29 |
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| newbie007 | hello, I'm trying to get meego working on a vbox emulator. I got an error message "Unable to boot please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU" This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU: pae. | 01:30 |
| cordiceps | also runs android which is linux basically. | 01:30 |
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| newbie007 | found a setting in my vm, please disregard | 01:32 |
| gabrbedd | MeeGoBot: supported processors? | 01:34 |
| MeeGoBot | gabrbedd: Was it not... er, someone, who said: Supported Processors are http://wiki.meego.com/Supported_Processors | 01:34 |
| gabrbedd | cordiceps: ^^^ | 01:34 |
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| cordiceps | wow, no amd. Why is the support so limited? Qt is ported to way more arches os is linux kernel. | 01:36 |
| cordiceps | I don't get it. | 01:36 |
| CosmoHill | cordiceps: if you have an AMD computer and get MeeGo 1.2 working on it let me know | 01:36 |
| gabrbedd | cordiceps: it's not impossible. It's just not supported because nobody is allocating the engineering and IT resources to support it. | 01:37 |
| gabrbedd | cordiceps: If someone wants to do it, they're more than welcome. | 01:37 |
| CosmoHill | see the Non-SSSE3 wiki page | 01:37 |
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| cordiceps | that different is from intels? I thought intels/amd where clones just re-arranged uderlying engineering but provide same results. | 01:38 |
| gabrbedd | cordiceps: intel introduced SSSE3 instructions... AMD said "we don't think we should have to support that." | 01:39 |
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| * cordiceps googles SSSE3 to find out what's so special about it. | 01:40 | |
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| CosmoHill | gabrbedd: the new AMD processors suppport SSSE3 | 01:40 |
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| gabrbedd | cordicepts: the new instructions give an advantage with streaming media. | 01:40 |
| CosmoHill | you know, all my non-intel processors are also non-x86 | 01:41 |
| berndhs | AMD joined meego some months ago, ask them what they have been doing | 01:41 |
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| cordiceps | that's exactly what I thougt it's only for multimedia. How's the rest of the system hard coded to it? | 01:43 |
| cordiceps | wouldn't it be technically possible to exclude the parts that depend on SSSE3 and compile the rest? | 01:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | Some things are optimised for various processors - for example - faster hashing? | 01:45 |
| cordiceps | then use mplayer or other stuff not hard-coded with SSSE3. | 01:45 |
| CosmoHill | cordiceps: the parts that depend on SSSE3 are core parts | 01:45 |
| cordiceps | :( | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | it is possible to boot meego into run level 3 on a pentium 4 (non HT) but some things then still don't work like zypper | 01:46 |
| berndhs | cordiceps: you can recompile everything of course, set compiler flags appropriately | 01:46 |
| newbie007 | I'm not sure what my processor is.. it's a vm,, my physical machine is a dual core xeon | 01:48 |
| gabrbedd | cordiceps: possible, yes. But it's not going to happen. | 01:48 |
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| reed | zypper needs SSE3? | 01:48 |
| CosmoHill | SSSE3 | 01:50 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 01:50 |
| gabrbedd | guys, the SSSE3 has been argued til we're blue in the face. | 01:50 |
| gabrbedd | search the ML archives and the IRC archives. | 01:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: you there? | 01:51 |
| cordiceps | this is an odd decision really, the more arches supported the more exposure, more ppl using/testing/improving. Is just crazy to blacklist AMD as a whole. | 01:51 |
| * cordiceps is slightly offended | 01:51 | |
| berndhs | cordiceps: AMD is part of the project, ask them | 01:51 |
| gabrbedd | cordiceps: The point of MeeGo is to ship devices. | 01:51 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, possibly | 01:51 |
| alterego | Somethings just clicked into place for me about why we have the N900 DE project | 01:51 |
| * javispedro loves how "meego doesn't boot in amd and no one seems to care enough to build an obs tree for amd meego" gets converted to "meego blacklists amd omg" again and again | 01:52 | |
| gabrbedd | cordiceps: Intel is leveraging their SSSE3/Atom/Core2 technology. | 01:52 |
| lcuk | am just pondering how to wrie up the original liqbase editor to new framework | 01:52 |
| alterego | And why Nokia have been open sourcing maemo components for us | 01:52 |
| gabrbedd | cordiceps: The goal is *not* to be a universal operating system like Ubuntu. | 01:52 |
| alterego | If I had a blog I'd blog about it. | 01:53 |
| gabrbedd | cordiceps: lots of folks don't like this (understandably) -- but that's the current state. | 01:53 |
| alterego | Oh well, time for bed. | 01:53 |
| jykae | akai lpk25 sounds great with zynaddsubfx!! | 01:53 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: I can set up a blog for you for a low-low-price! :-) | 01:53 |
| alterego | gabrbedd: I used to have one, I could do it myself :P | 01:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KefqZgDFIRU | 01:54 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: :-p | 01:54 |
| newbie007 | can someone tell me the password for the image? I tried root/root and root/password | 01:54 |
| alterego | I might ressurect my blog soon actually, | 01:54 |
| alterego | Now I've gone all out media with twitter :P | 01:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: one of our programmers managed to fuse DCE and Qt together, doing a test device "an intelligent light switch" | 01:54 |
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| cordiceps | then, as I understand there are no intel tablets currently in the market. | 01:55 |
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| alterego | wetab | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | There are. | 01:55 |
| alterego | Is Intel | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | For small values of 'in the market' | 01:55 |
| alterego | ExoPC, is Intel | 01:55 |
| cordiceps | at least not as cool as Transformer/Xoom/iPad types. | 01:56 |
| alterego | In fact Intel "tablets" predate the iPad, tbh .. | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - lenovo has some intel tablets too. | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | As do other makers. | 01:56 |
| alterego | And Apple just basically executed Nokias strategy, they just did it better. | 01:57 |
| alterego | Because apple can make anything shiny | 01:57 |
| cordiceps | exopc, no dual core and no DDR2, it's a gen behind. | 01:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | cordiceps: hate to tell ya bro, that's how it always is | 01:57 |
| alterego | It has hyperthreading | 01:58 |
| alterego | And the exo is last years model ... | 01:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | cordiceps: the stuff on the shelves is always a gen behind. | 01:58 |
| newbie007 | Apple took the most secure OS FreeBSD and made it the least secure OS | 01:58 |
| CosmoHill | MeeGo 1.2 works on a Core 2 Quad and Intel GMA 4500 graphics :) | 01:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | that's the nature of the business... | 01:58 |
| alterego | newbie007: they didn't turn it in to windowsp at least :P | 01:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | the fabs make a new chipset | 01:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | it takes time for the chipset to be sampled, prototyped in new gear | 01:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | then prepped for production (assuming it makes it that far) | 01:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | and shipped out... | 01:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | usually on average of 14 months. | 01:59 |
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| cordiceps | ok, any other tablet? | 02:00 |
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| alterego | cordiceps: do some research, jeez .. | 02:01 |
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| javispedro | the lenovo ideapad (hey, am I original or what?) | 02:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | we won't see anything with Oak Trail for at least another 9 months. | 02:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | assuming anybody bites on it | 02:02 |
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| TSCHAKeee | there are some device kits, but nothing public. | 02:02 |
| akk | Somebody should port meego to the new nook. :) | 02:02 |
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| TSCHAKeee | unless i am wrong, intel engineers in the room, feel free to correct me | 02:03 |
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| alterego | I think someone cracked the 18K enigma to do with Nokias' announcement tomorrow | 02:04 |
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| alterego | 18 Karat gold | 02:04 |
| alterego | That new Ono device or whatever it is called. | 02:05 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:06 |
| berndhs | night Cosmo | 02:06 |
| CosmoHill | last exam EVER tomorrow :D | 02:06 |
| newbie007 | what is the root password in the image? I'm unable to boot (trying runlevel 3 to get it working) | 02:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | alterego: Windows Phone 7 device? | 02:07 |
| reed | alterego, link? | 02:07 |
| reed | newbie007, it's meego | 02:07 |
| javispedro | newbie007: meego/meego ? | 02:07 |
| newbie007 | yes thank you | 02:07 |
| newbie007 | got it up | 02:08 |
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| alterego | TSCHAKeee: symbian actually | 02:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | a symbian device?! | 02:09 |
| reed | whatever nokia will announce it's not going to change the world | 02:09 |
| alterego | TSCHAKeee: it's one of Nokias silly expensive phones. | 02:09 |
| * TSCHAKeee facepalms | 02:09 | |
| reed | if it's a symbian device it's definitely not going to do anything ... yawnn! | 02:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | what the fuck are they doing? | 02:10 |
| reed | they want to be bought by Microsoft, it's clear | 02:10 |
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| reed | their shares will keep going down more so that MS will have to scoop them up or someone else will | 02:10 |
| reed | and MSFT cannot afford that | 02:11 |
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| alterego | I think it's a C series but gold plated, | 02:12 |
| cordiceps | luckily m$$ CAN'T buy meego, lol. | 02:12 |
| alterego | It's for rich people :P | 02:12 |
| cordiceps | since meego is protected by GPL barrier. | 02:13 |
| javispedro | alterego: you have to be kidding me. | 02:13 |
| alterego | I'll get the link, hang on | 02:14 |
| alterego | It looks like a C7 to me | 02:14 |
| alterego | http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/05/25/gold-ringer-introducing-nokia-oro/ | 02:16 |
| alterego | "premium phone" | 02:16 |
| * alterego chuckles | 02:16 | |
| cordiceps | what's the 'premium' os running it? | 02:17 |
| javispedro | in case you wonder, oro means "gold". | 02:17 |
| javispedro | I can't believe the company is basically tanking as we talk and they're still releasing crap | 02:18 |
| alterego | symbian anna | 02:19 |
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| javispedro | ah well, it says it sells well between Russian mafia guys | 02:19 |
| cordiceps | some ppl at the top are out of touch. | 02:19 |
| alterego | RRP 800 EUR | 02:19 |
| alterego | Their "premium" line used to be a lot more expensive. | 02:20 |
| alterego | Shows Nokia are having a hard time ;) | 02:20 |
| alterego | So, someone pointed out that 18K probably meant thatl | 02:20 |
| alterego | But in the article it's spelt carat | 02:20 |
| cordiceps | rofl, nokia embeds youtube vids. | 02:21 |
| alterego | cordiceps: who doesn't? | 02:21 |
| alterego | It's also better advertising .. | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | That’s a real sapphire crystal in the home key, | 02:22 |
| alterego | They get more plays and the possibility of being found through youtube. | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | err - why not on the face? | 02:22 |
| cordiceps | lol@the comments on the oro page | 02:22 |
| cordiceps | --> "Gorgeous phone.. hideous OS.. have to run away before the Symbian fanboys come running after me " | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | You can actually get diamond coated windows that are used for barcode scanners. | 02:22 |
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| alterego | I dunno, but apparently that saphire makes it 5 million times stronger | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | A sapphire screen would actually have a point. | 02:23 |
| cordiceps | I learned sapphire is crystalized aluminum | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | In the same way that apples are crystallised manure. | 02:24 |
| alterego | Heh | 02:25 |
| berndhs | I used to live on Sapphire street | 02:25 |
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| alterego | I am right though yeah? The Oro looks like a C7 with a dead bit of cow glued to it and painted gold? | 02:37 |
| * alterego contemlates tweeting that | 02:37 | |
| w00t | lol | 02:37 |
| alterego | I can see twitter becoming the death of me | 02:37 |
| cordiceps | tomorrow's announcement is the 'Platinium' version. | 02:38 |
| alterego | Pretty much everyone that'd receive my tweet is here though, so it seems pointless :P | 02:38 |
| w00t | https://twitter.com/#!/w00teh/status/75596536125456386 <- alterego: that's one of my better tweets, recently ;) | 02:39 |
| berndhs | 800 euros, and no bacon ? | 02:39 |
| * cordiceps points tweeter to 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts | 02:40 | |
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| w00t | party pooper :) | 02:41 |
| alterego | w00t: I saw that earlier, made me laugh :) | 02:42 |
| alterego | Eek, my posts are a bit Nokia negative .. | 02:42 |
| alterego | I was slating their graphic designers earlier | 02:42 |
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| w00t | I keep a fairly balanced view, I think | 02:43 |
| alterego | I think my points are valid opinions | 02:43 |
| alterego | I said that anna icons and general look & feel didn't make me tingle | 02:43 |
| alterego | And I just compared the Oro to the C7, I think they're justified remarks :) | 02:44 |
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| newbie007 | Meego on vbox. I'm getting " [drm:i915_init] *ERROR* drm/i915 can't work without intel_agp module![drm:i915_init] *ERROR* drm/i915 can't work without intel_agp module!" :( | 02:52 |
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| alterego | Eek, almost 1am | 02:56 |
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| cordiceps | newbie007: the problem is that even if you get it running it'll be slow as snal. | 02:56 |
| alterego | Should definitely think about bed. | 02:56 |
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| cordiceps | newbie007: I got it running with qemu-kvm | 02:57 |
| newbie007 | I tried a agp=off, and got past it, to an error about / not being mounted... | 02:57 |
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| newbie007 | I have 1 sata controller (this is a VM). Is Sata an issue? | 02:57 |
| cordiceps | Satan? that might be an issue lol. | 02:58 |
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| cordiceps | newbie007: there's a page with instruction to get it running on vm | 02:58 |
| newbie007 | cordiceps: my bad I'll check it out | 02:59 |
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| reed | is unison packaged for meego? | 03:00 |
| gabrbedd | reed: the file system? | 03:00 |
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| gabrbedd | reed: I do not think it is. | 03:01 |
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| cordiceps | newbie007: wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu | 03:03 |
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| cordiceps | newbie007: you could get this too --> http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/30/asus-brings-out-extra-skinny-eee-pc-x101-running-meego-hands-on/ | 03:56 |
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| GAN900 | altergo, your posts? What about mine? :P | 04:11 |
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| w00t | which posts now? | 04:12 |
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| sergiusens | when is that netbook gonna be in the market? | 04:26 |
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| gabrbedd | sergiusens: which one? That one =====> | 04:33 |
| gabrbedd | or the x101? | 04:34 |
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| anab1s | hello | 04:48 |
| gabrbedd | hi | 04:49 |
| anab1s | I was wondering if someone could help me with getting meego to work with my nokia booklet 3g | 04:50 |
| gabrbedd | anab1s: what problem are you having with it? | 04:54 |
| SpeedEvil | The nokia booklet looked nice. | 04:55 |
| anab1s | I've found some instructions from a user called "vgrade", the problem is: there are several versions of the instruction, involving several different "kickstart" files, I'd just like clarification of the latest instructions. | 04:58 |
| gabrbedd | anab1s: unless you're trying to do something very specific... you should be able to use the Netbook 1.2 image from the front page (http://meego.com) and follow those instructions. | 04:59 |
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| anab1s | the booklet 3g uses the gma500 chipset which is not officially supported by meego, however, there are instructions for getting it to work. | 05:01 |
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| gabrbedd | anab1s: I'm sure you've already tried the official images in live mode... and they didn't work. Right? | 05:09 |
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| anab1s | yes | 05:09 |
| anab1s | I don't think that the netbook UX image has emgd built in. | 05:10 |
| gabrbedd | anab1s: do you have lots of time to tackle this? | 05:10 |
| anab1s | yes | 05:10 |
| gabrbedd | anab1s: use the emgd-netbook-3.ks | 05:11 |
| gabrbedd | anab1s: which is an input file that you'll have to give to mic2 | 05:11 |
| gabrbedd | anab1s: there's docs on the wiki about getting started with mic2. | 05:11 |
| gabrbedd | anab1s: I won't have time to walk you through that. | 05:12 |
| gabrbedd | Start with a stock .ks file (i.e. the official 1.2 release) while you learn mic2. Don't start with vgrade's. | 05:12 |
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| gabrbedd | anab1s: mic2 can be a bear when things don't work right. E.g. I've been fighting mic2 all day long. | 05:13 |
| anab1s | where will I find the stock .ks file? | 05:13 |
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| gabrbedd | anab1s: in the same folder as the .img file | 05:14 |
| anab1s | ok | 05:15 |
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| anab1s | I've got it, I'm looking at it now. | 05:18 |
| gabrbedd | anab1s: after you get (and understand) your toolchain... I'm sure there's things that you'll have to fix in his .ks file. | 05:19 |
| gabrbedd | anab1s: But that should keep you occupied until he wakes up. :-) | 05:19 |
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| anab1s | thanks. | 05:20 |
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| Bisu[Shield]1 | im installing meego on my exopc YAY | 05:49 |
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| Bisu[Shield]1 | anyone hre using meego on exopc? | 05:56 |
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| Bisu[Shield]1 | is anyone here? | 06:00 |
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| berndhs | not really | 06:01 |
| gabrbedd | i'm not | 06:02 |
| gabrbedd | um, now i am | 06:03 |
| akk | I have an exopc, but it depends on what you mean by "using". | 06:03 |
| Bisu[Shield]1 | how do you go to the home screen | 06:05 |
| Bisu[Shield]1 | seems like I need to make a gesture for that | 06:06 |
| akk | Bisu[Shield]1: press the hardware button at the upper left. | 06:06 |
| akk | (I had to have someone tell me that too - it's totally undiscoverable) | 06:07 |
| akk | Sometimes you have to press it a couple times, or hold it firmly -- it's not very sensitive. | 06:07 |
| Bisu[Shield]1 | lolol | 06:07 |
| Bisu[Shield]1 | really? | 06:07 |
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| akk | dunno what people will do if they want to run meego on a tablet that doesn't have that button. | 06:08 |
| gabrbedd | It's not even a button... it's the "active lighting sensor" that auto-dims your screen. | 06:08 |
| Bisu[Shield]1 | yea seriously, not intuitive | 06:08 |
| akk | Is it? I thought the lighting sensor was the little hole thing to the right of the button. | 06:08 |
| Bisu[Shield]1 | is there anyway to browse my network? | 06:08 |
| gabrbedd | akk: The Tablet UX requires a button. You can't really run it without one. | 06:08 |
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| akk | But I've never gotten it to really respond to lighting anyway, so it's hard to tell. | 06:08 |
| gabrbedd | akk: I dunno. Little gizmos in the corner all next to each other. | 06:09 |
| gabrbedd | Bisu[Shield]1: Browse for wireless access points... yes. | 06:09 |
| gabrbedd | Go to Settings and then Connections. | 06:09 |
| Bisu[Shield]1 | I am already on the net | 06:10 |
| Bisu[Shield]1 | I want to browse a network folder | 06:10 |
| akk | a windows SMB one? | 06:10 |
| gabrbedd | Bisu[Shield]1: If you can't do it with the web browser... then no. | 06:10 |
| iekku | morning | 06:12 |
| gabrbedd | iekku: howdy! | 06:12 |
| Bisu[Shield]1 | no its a windows network | 06:13 |
| iekku | i just hate the days when i need to take a buss to get work | 06:13 |
| berndhs | evening | 06:13 |
| gabrbedd | iekku: me, too. | 06:14 |
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| Bisu[Shield]1 | so where do I find apps such as a pdf viewer? | 06:18 |
| gabrbedd | Bisu[Shield]1: The web browser has one built in. | 06:19 |
| Bisu[Shield]1 | ok but where do I find additional apps | 06:20 |
| gabrbedd | AppUp has a beta app store manager. | 06:20 |
| gabrbedd | Other than that, you'll have to use zypper (the command line package manager) to load extra packages from repo.meego.com | 06:21 |
| gabrbedd | Bisu[Shield]1: btw, I think the appup client is in their "developer" section. | 06:23 |
| Bisu[Shield]1 | I saw that chromium was mentioned somewhere, is the default browser cromium? | 06:25 |
| gabrbedd | Bisu[Shield]1: AFAIK, it's a meego-tailored "spin" of chromium called meego-app-browser (or something like that) | 06:27 |
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| Bisu[Shield]1 | i am guessing that this os is a yr or so from primetime :( | 06:32 |
| gabrbedd | Bisu[Shield]1: no, and yes. | 06:33 |
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| gabrbedd | Bisu[Shield]1: The Netbook UX is ready for prime time. But not great for tablets. | 06:33 |
| gabrbedd | Bisu[Shield]1: The Tablet UX wasn't actually released with 1.2. It was dubbed a "pre-alpha developer preview." | 06:34 |
| gabrbedd | Bisu[Shield]1: I would expect it to be prime time with the 1.3 release this fall. | 06:34 |
| gabrbedd | Bisu[Shield]1: Meanwhile, the WeTab has been prime time since 1.1 | 06:35 |
| Bisu[Shield]1 | but im on exopc right now playing with it and there is not a whole lot i can do | 06:36 |
| gabrbedd | Bisu[Shield]1: Correct. You're playing with the "pre-alpha developer preview" of the Tablet UX. | 06:37 |
| gabrbedd | It's not ready for end-users. | 06:37 |
| akk | That's why they're being given out -- to get more apps out there sooner. :) | 06:38 |
| berndhs | if you want to develop apps, its the thing to have | 06:38 |
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| sivang | hi all | 07:22 |
| gabrbedd | sivang: hello! | 07:22 |
| sivang | I played with my Exo too much I guess, and it always kernel panics right now. | 07:22 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: gabriel! | 07:22 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: how's stuff? | 07:22 |
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| gabrbedd | sivang: allright. slow getting back into the swing. you? | 07:22 |
| * sivang wonder if any ICS people are around | 07:22 | |
| sivang | gabrbedd: I'm still in Canada, Montreal | 07:22 |
| gabrbedd | sivang: What panic are you getting? | 07:23 |
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| sivang | gabrbedd: something aobut power | 07:23 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: and even the USB rescue disk fails to resuce me... | 07:23 |
| gabrbedd | wow. | 07:23 |
| gabrbedd | did you try to reset the BIOS to default settings? | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: how's the US so far? | 07:23 |
| sivang | I am the mother-of-all errors catcher | 07:23 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: ^ | 07:24 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: hey :) | 07:24 |
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| sivang | gabrbedd: how can the USB stick meego image fail as well? is there some kind of hardware switch I can play with? | 07:24 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: awesome, but I'm a bit tired of doing nothing :) | 07:24 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: you still in america? | 07:24 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I'm in LA right now for 4 days | 07:25 |
| gabrbedd | sivang: you never know. I know that this fixes wifi/power issues on the Lenovo Ideapads. | 07:25 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: true, true | 07:25 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: I tried to find it but failed on the exo | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: time to try out harassing hollywood stars then ;) | 07:25 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: lol | 07:26 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yeah | 07:26 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: I'll do that. | 07:26 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I've accidentally booked a room right next to the skid row | 07:26 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: so I guess that's more of "survivor" game for me :D | 07:27 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: touch bios is PITA | 07:27 |
| sivang | :) | 07:27 |
| gabrbedd | I'm told you don't need a keyboard... but *I* still needed a keyboard to boot the darn thing to USB. | 07:28 |
| tonberry_ | hi, i jz join meego | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | hi tonberry_ | 07:29 |
| tonberry_ | sup | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | not much, waking up | 07:29 |
| sivang | kernel thread helper 0x6/0x10 | 07:29 |
| sivang | on the screwed SSD image | 07:29 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: is bug 2953 still valid for N900 DE? | 07:29 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2953 nor, High, ---, jesse.barnes, REOP, Many third-party Apps' window (i.e. glxgears, xterm) is not working in the fullscreen mode | 07:29 |
| wazd | Anyone from LA here btw?) | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: i hope not, then i've failed ;) | 07:30 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: so you're back at EU... | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: yes | 07:30 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: well, I don't have an N900 to try out the DE. Do y'all have a pinetrail build? | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: no, but i think we haven't modded the mcompositor | 07:31 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: I was actually able to reduce the cost of the ticket and split myself the 14 hours flight back by stopping in Montreal :) | 07:31 |
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| tonberry_ | anyway i from Asia :) | 07:32 |
| * Stskeeps is just happy to be over with jetlag | 07:32 | |
| * sivang wonders why the meego kernel finds a USB device when none is attached at bootup | 07:32 | |
| Stskeeps | sivang: probably internally wired | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | tonberry_: so what do you hope to do in meego? | 07:32 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: Oh, after 2 weeks in AMerica I'm gonna be crying out for the jet lag to pass :) | 07:32 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: but, you're getting decorators, right? | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: afaik | 07:32 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: My assumption, yes | 07:32 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: or have you deprecated them like the Tablet UX. | 07:32 |
| Myrtti | Mountain View is great as usual | 07:32 |
| sivang | Myrtti: you still there? nice :) | 07:32 |
| Myrtti | sivang: yup, flying back on Fri/Sat | 07:33 |
| Myrtti | been here for two months a year ago, it's rad to be back | 07:33 |
| sivang | Myrtti: :) | 07:33 |
| sivang | Myrtti: Better than Tampere? | 07:33 |
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| Myrtti | public transport is a bit better in Tampere | 07:34 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: was something with video mode | 07:34 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: restoring to defaults helped, I am able t boot the rscue image | 07:34 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: thanks! | 07:34 |
| gabrbedd | sivang: sweet! | 07:35 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: I am amazed to learn how cheap quality musical instruments are in North America, BTW | 07:35 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: not to mention bike stand pumps | 07:35 |
| GAN900 | Free market at work. :P | 07:35 |
| * Myrtti has just bought shoes :-> | 07:35 | |
| sivang | gabrbedd: :-) | 07:35 |
| sivang | GAN900: :) | 07:35 |
| gabrbedd | Ha ha... true! | 07:35 |
| sivang | oh man, panic again | 07:36 |
| gabrbedd | sivang: what, in particular, were you shopping for? | 07:36 |
| sivang | I was hapy too soon | 07:36 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: harmonica | 07:36 |
| gabrbedd | OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG! | 07:36 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: :-) | 07:36 |
| * gabrbedd is panicing | 07:36 | |
| sivang | gabrbedd: already have an A, and a C chromatic | 07:36 |
| tonberry_ | Stskeeps, what meego OS needed the most? | 07:36 |
| gabrbedd | sivang: I always think of harmonicas as expensive. How much is a blues harp in your home town? | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | tonberry_: innovation and people making products with it ;) | 07:37 |
| iekku | gabrbedd, time to sleep :P | 07:37 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: a good one, almost twice the price | 07:37 |
| gabrbedd | sivang: wow. | 07:38 |
| gabrbedd | iekku: did you just punch the clock or something. | 07:38 |
| sivang | and the bike pump wen for third the price | 07:38 |
| gabrbedd | (I don't think she likes me being here... :-p) | 07:38 |
| tonberry_ | do we have ppl to create a new product? | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | tonberry_: i think there's many around but still many difficulties | 07:38 |
| iekku | gabrbedd, i'm just used to "morning" "oh, grap, is it so late?" | 07:38 |
| gabrbedd | iekku: :-) | 07:39 |
| tonberry_ | in terms of hardware or software? or both? | 07:39 |
| sivang | iekku: : | 07:39 |
| sivang | :) | 07:39 |
| sivang | is ther a way to hard reset the exo? | 07:39 |
| gabrbedd | tonberry_: by "people making products" think... "manufacturing" | 07:40 |
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| sivang | gabrbedd: guitars are also third the price | 07:40 |
| sivang | my governman likes to make money on my musical talent :) | 07:40 |
| sivang | They want royalties | 07:40 |
| gabrbedd | tonberry_: Manufacturing a device generally requires a large software + tooling investment... | 07:41 |
| tonberry_ | true | 07:41 |
| gabrbedd | tonberry_: and the market is very competitive, with people buying high-end devices based on price. | 07:41 |
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| gabrbedd | tonberry_: i.e. laptops and phones are more like commodities than products... which means lower profit margins. | 07:42 |
| tonberry_ | i see | 07:42 |
| gabrbedd | tonberry_: Thus, if you're not a Big Guy... it's really hard to compete in the device market. | 07:43 |
| tonberry_ | so this community is more into software & programming driven yes? | 07:43 |
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| sivang | tonberry_: we're into everything we can acheive :) | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | tonberry_: think of it as a businessman's distribution - we make a solid core / platform for others to build on top of | 07:44 |
| sivang | tonberry_: and what Stskeeps said :) | 07:44 |
| tonberry_ | ok, i got it =) | 07:45 |
| gabrbedd | tonberry_: we have expertise in both in this community (more on the software side, tho). | 07:45 |
| gabrbedd | tonberry_: What we *don't* have here is a lot of venture capital to develop devices. | 07:45 |
| sivang | the panic is preceded by a PME something error | 07:46 |
| dm8tbr | also embedded hardware makes the software side difficult - if you want to do as much FOSS as possible | 07:46 |
| sivang | bahh | 07:46 |
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| gabrbedd | tonberry_: So most of us are taking off-the-shelf devices and adapting MeeGo to them -- either as an end-product or for dev. | 07:46 |
| tonberry_ | so is that possible porting some existing S^3 phone as well? | 07:47 |
| gabrbedd | sivang: is the hardware all snug in their beds? Maybe the disk came loose or something. | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: i'm working on a thing to make it possible to use softfp gles libs in a hardfp situation, bt | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | w | 07:48 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: seems the usb stick itel gave has a large case and it breaks the exo's usb socket :/ | 07:48 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: we were speculating about such things yesterday, and what the impact on performance of io expensive libs like SGX could be | 07:49 |
| gabrbedd | tonberry_: possible... but like dm8tbr said, some of the application-specific hardware requires drivers that are closed-source or non-existent for linux. | 07:49 |
| dm8tbr | (meego tampere meetup) | 07:49 |
| gabrbedd | sivang: :-/ | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: next to none probably | 07:49 |
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| * dm8tbr doesn't know enough assembly to assess that | 07:50 | |
| gabrbedd | tonberry_: For example, I think I've been told that the hardware required to recharge the battery for the N900 is closed-source, proprietary. | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: so the thing is that hardfp vs softfp's only difference is that float's are passed in floating point regs.. in theory, any func call without float/double in it will work fine | 07:51 |
| dm8tbr | ack | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | at least according to the AAPCS | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: now, gcc actually allows switching call conventions within .c files using __attribute__'s | 07:51 |
| dm8tbr | i was referring to the overhead of transmogrifying floats | 07:52 |
| tonberry_ | anyone owning S^3 device here? | 07:52 |
| dm8tbr | tonberry_: what about them? | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: so my thought is simply to stub those calls to convert from softfp to hardfp | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | while dirty, it is realistic | 07:53 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 07:53 |
| * sivang ends up with un-usable Exo | 07:53 | |
| gabrbedd | what's an S^3 ? | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: http://pastie.org/2001800 is the symbols the powervr libs use, as an example | 07:53 |
| dm8tbr | gabrbedd: a symbian device of the latest nokia generation | 07:53 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: symbian 3 | 07:53 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: the new Symbian on the N8, C7, E7 etc.. | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: of these, stuff like atan2, atof, cosf etc are the ones to be stubbed | 07:54 |
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| iekku | tonberry_, s^3 devices not supperted, as far as i know | 07:54 |
| dm8tbr | you can use qt-mobility on them, that's not meego ofc | 07:55 |
| dm8tbr | but putting meego on such a thing would most likely fail on so many levels | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: sounds insane enough to actually work? | 07:55 |
| tonberry_ | symbian is almost over, its good to find way to port meego on it as well. | 07:55 |
| dm8tbr | tonberry_: if nokia uses high security silicon then you are screwed anyway (if they did it properly) | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | they are | 07:56 |
| dm8tbr | I know they have this preference (see n900), but I couldn't confirm for others | 07:57 |
| tonberry_ | :( | 07:57 |
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| gabrbedd | what's high security silicone? | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: stuff that verifies signatures of bootloaders etc | 07:58 |
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| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: thanks | 07:58 |
| tonberry_ | n8, c7 they have good hardware, but bad OS. :( | 07:58 |
| tonberry_ | now X7 joining the dead OS party | 07:59 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: like we used in ChipPC to make sure nobody tampered with our debian cut | 07:59 |
| * gabrbedd has done nothing but break things today. :-/ | 08:00 | |
| iekku | tampered sounds like tampere | 08:00 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: I actually wrote the python that burnt the signature in :) | 08:00 |
| sivang | iekku: heh | 08:00 |
| gabrbedd | sivang: :-) | 08:00 |
| sivang | iekku: I saw not long ago a documentary about viruses | 08:00 |
| sivang | iekku: F-Prot were starring there | 08:00 |
| dm8tbr | sivang: what, not mask programmed? pshhhh ;) | 08:00 |
| iekku | sivang, :D | 08:00 |
| sivang | dm8tbr: heh | 08:01 |
| sivang | dm8tbr: just copied over the bytes result and sealed it | 08:01 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 08:01 |
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| sivang | problem everytime the chip changed, I had to change the byte instruction to make it read only, and sometime they forgot to notify me, so we had to redo some ofthem:) | 08:02 |
| gabrbedd | So, how do you deal with GPL3 in those systems? | 08:02 |
| sivang | anyway | 08:02 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: you don't? :-D | 08:02 |
| sivang | anyway , night time for me. | 08:02 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 08:02 |
| sivang | see you all soon! | 08:02 |
| gabrbedd | Good night, sivang! | 08:02 |
| * sivang prays for his Exo | 08:02 | |
| sivang | gabrbedd: thanks, night gabrbedd | 08:03 |
| tonberry_ | see you, sivang =) | 08:03 |
| gabrbedd | *sivang's exo goes out and gets drunk | 08:03 |
| sivang | tonberry_: there might be a talk by me soon up online about joinion the meego commuity, if you want you can check it ut when it is on | 08:03 |
| sivang | gabrbedd: hehe | 08:03 |
| dm8tbr | gabrbedd: that's why I like Archos' policy nowadays. you can get an firmware that opens up the device and you can flash your own kernel. :D | 08:03 |
| dm8tbr | they used to be total control-freaks though :( | 08:04 |
| sivang | dm8tbr: sweet | 08:04 |
| * sivang -> out | 08:04 | |
| tonberry_ | how could i joining the talk? | 08:04 |
| dm8tbr | (we hacked them anyway) | 08:04 |
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| gabrbedd | dm8tbr: makes sense. I heard HTC is opening up their devices, too. | 08:05 |
| iekku | gabrbedd, good night! | 08:05 |
| dm8tbr | maybe they saw that Archos is doing it for 3 device generations now and still doing well :) | 08:05 |
| gabrbedd | iekku: good night! | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | or they can use it as an excuse to not provide upgrades | 08:06 |
| iekku | hmmm, sleeping, hmmmmm | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | "you can do it yourself" | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:06 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, i like the diy attitude | 08:06 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: their update period is about 1.5 years, real upgrades for about 6-9 months. never changed due to how their engineering works | 08:08 |
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| dm8tbr | would be like expecting maemo6 for n900 when the 'n9' comes out ;) | 08:09 |
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| iekku | is wetab upgradedt to 1.2 already? | 08:16 |
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| pebcak | nope | 08:17 |
| iekku | :( | 08:18 |
| pebcak | don't expect it to be upgraded in the next 3 months :P | 08:18 |
| iekku | :x | 08:18 |
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| Myrtti | aw | 08:37 |
| Myrtti | I'm pushing over 200 pictures to the MeeGo Conference Flickr pool... | 08:37 |
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| iekku | Myrtti, ooh! | 08:40 |
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| Myrtti | wow. | 08:46 |
| Myrtti | that almost doubled the amount of pictures in the pool. | 08:46 |
| Myrtti | true, I didn't really do filtering, they're almost all out there now. | 08:46 |
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| sofar | Myrtti: oh goodie, did you get me in a photograph? | 08:50 |
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| Myrtti | sofar: might have, don't really know, I'm just shuffling tags at the moment, haven't really looked at the photos themselves | 08:52 |
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| iekku | it seems that i haven't been in the conference | 08:53 |
| sofar | I haven't found a single photograph in the pool of myself yet, lol | 08:53 |
| sofar | I remain anonymous! woohoo! | 08:53 |
| Myrtti | iekku: you have actually been | 08:53 |
| sofar | oh | 08:54 |
| Myrtti | I DO have a picture to proof it :-D | 08:54 |
| Myrtti | http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/5759359246/ | 08:54 |
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| Stskeeps | that one is fairly comparable to daily meego work | 08:55 |
| Myrtti | I fail in English | 08:55 |
| Myrtti | to PROVE | 08:55 |
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| iekku | Myrtti, oooh! | 08:55 |
| Myrtti | there we go | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | sage always working, iekku wondering about all the software (cookies) and jukka investigating the software (cookies) ;) | 08:55 |
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| sofar | you can prove your proof | 08:56 |
| sofar | but you can't proof your prove | 08:56 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, i'm just envy that jukka has cookies and i don't :D | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 08:56 |
| Myrtti | I *do* have several pictures of reggie! | 08:56 |
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| Myrtti | and a heap of pictures that I've taken since and during the conference that don't really relate to the actual conference: http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/5766194114 (from Chinatown) and http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/5759230640/ (from the 17th floor of Hyatt) | 08:57 |
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| Sage | Myrtti, Stskeeps :D | 09:01 |
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| tonberry_ | nice photo, Myrtti | 09:12 |
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| Myrtti | sheer luck | 09:16 |
| Myrtti | for the 17th floor picture; I was getting some ice with my jammies on and had to SMS BF to bring my camera before the light goes away :-D | 09:17 |
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| uv__ | Hello. I'm looking for some help compiling my app for Meego | 09:21 |
| uv__ | Is there any way to differentiate Meego from other Linux OSes in my qmake pro file? | 09:22 |
| uv__ | The mkspecs seems to be "linux-g++" which is too generic. | 09:22 |
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| maxw | hi, I'm trying to use qtcreator to work on a qml app that uses both meego-ux-components (qml), meego-ux-media (Qt/C+ lib and qml) and meegolabs-ux-components. If I step into a qml element that is in (eg) meego-ux-components, it steps into the installed file in /usr/lib/qt4/imports. Is there a way I can make it step into the qml in my local git repo, so I don't have to do a 'sudo make install'? What is the 'recommended' way to do this kind of debugging (with q | 10:37 |
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| maxw | ok, try this one then : my app is complaining about a missing 'document_thumb_med' file. in an 'old' chroot, I see it deep in /usr/share/themes/, but in the chroot I'm now working in, it's not there. 'dpkg -qf' in the old chroot says it didn't come from any package...I've tried to 'find' it in all the git clones I have, but nothing there :/ Where did the file come from? | 11:01 |
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| Termana | morning | 11:57 |
| iekku | morning | 11:57 |
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| _|Nix|_ | Hi! Can somebody please give me access to build.meego.com? | 12:38 |
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| _|Nix|_ | I was supposed to have access (since https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17555 is fixed), but I can't find any username that resembles my real name ... | 12:39 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 17555 nor, Undecided, ---, peter.j.zhu, RESO FIXED, May I please have access to build.meego.com | 12:39 |
| _|Nix|_ | So, I'm not sure if I ever did get that access ... | 12:39 |
| _|Nix|_ | However, I need it now, because I'd like to package the syncevolution qt D-Bus bindings. | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | is your username gschulho? | 12:40 |
| _|Nix|_ | Stskeeps: I can try that ... | 12:40 |
| _|Nix|_ | Stskeeps: But christophed tried to add that username to a project, and it said invalid ... | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | _|Nix|_: you need to log in first | 12:41 |
| _|Nix|_ | Stskeeps: Log in to what? build.meego.com? | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:41 |
| _|Nix|_ | I know, but I can't remember my username or password. | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | ah :P | 12:42 |
| _|Nix|_ | However, christophed has logged in, and he owns a project there, to which he tried to add me. | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | didn't you get a mail? | 12:42 |
| _|Nix|_ | He failed, because he couldn't find anyone by the name of gschulho, schulhof, gabriels, etc. | 12:43 |
| _|Nix|_ | Stskeeps: I can't find it. Outlook sucks! | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | spam folder? ;) | 12:43 |
| _|Nix|_ | I'm not actually sure I ever got it. | 12:43 |
| _|Nix|_ | No, unfortunately :( | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | Hmm someone needs to kick some processes on core obs. It is all red :) | 12:44 |
| _|Nix|_ | *sigh* ... does anyone have the kind of access to build.meego.com that'll allow them to check if I'm there, and if not, to create an account for me? | 12:44 |
| thiago_home | not me | 12:45 |
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| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: ping Anas? | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | peter's probably better | 12:46 |
| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Not in the chan ... is there an email address? | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | he handles accounts these days | 12:46 |
| _|Nix|_ | ... for either of them? | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | mouseover on the bug report emails | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | / usernames | 12:46 |
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| X-Fade | Or reopen the bug perhaps. | 12:47 |
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| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: The problem is, I don't remember if I had access, and I forgot my password, or if I've never had access to begin with. And if the latter, why did Peter mark the bug as fixed? | 12:49 |
| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: Who knows? That is why asking would help, but don't look at me :D | 12:49 |
| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: The problem is, this is the only real-time place where I can ask, and nobody here has the access to answer. So, I guess, I'll have to wait for something to happen with the new bug that I filed, which is https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18400 ... | 12:51 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 18400 nor, Undecided, ---, tracy.graydon, NEW, Need a password reminder | 12:51 |
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| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: There is nothing I can about that. There is strict separation between core and community obs instances. | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | Different guys and I think nobody is awake in our timezone. | 12:52 |
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| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Right, right. I understand ... I sent an email to Peter and I got an out-of-office reply, and I don't know Anas' email address. Is it anas.nashif@intel.com? | 12:53 |
| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: lastname at linux.intel.com | 12:53 |
| _|Nix|_ | "lastname" from the email address I wrote above? | 12:54 |
| _|Nix|_ | ... but I'm assuming he's also States-side, eh? | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | it varies | 12:55 |
| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: Yes, that lastname. | 12:55 |
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| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Alright. I emailed him as well ... | 12:58 |
| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Thanks for your help! | 12:59 |
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| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: No problem. | 13:00 |
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| dCDu | psdfpdslf | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | ok? | 13:29 |
| dCDu | what does that do "meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img" ? | 13:30 |
| dCDu | 600mb file | 13:30 |
| dCDu | got it free in dvd | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bootable image for netbook with chromium | 13:30 |
| dCDu | 776MB | 13:30 |
| dCDu | google chromium ? | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:30 |
| dCDu | i want to install it in old pentium 3 650MHz 392MB RAM pc | 13:31 |
| dCDu | , | 13:31 |
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| dCDu | not netbook | 13:31 |
| Umeaboy | dCDu: Does it have an Intel-CPU? | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | not possible, pentium 3 doesn't have SSSE3 | 13:32 |
| dCDu | how to install it in ARM phone ? | 13:32 |
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| dCDu | what is ssssee33 ? | 13:32 |
| Umeaboy | dCDu: Google is your best friend. | 13:32 |
| Umeaboy | ;) | 13:32 |
| Umeaboy | Search first & ask later. ;) | 13:32 |
| dCDu | i can search for instructions | 13:33 |
| lcuk2 | Conversation is important too and if you know the answer to a simple question then say it :P | 13:33 |
| dCDu | but i only want to know if there is a single .exe file that will directly install it on phone without brain | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 13:33 |
| dCDu | then its trash | 13:33 |
| dCDu | it will be as difficult as dos linux ? | 13:34 |
| iekku | dCDu, you need to have arm image instead of the ia | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | dCDu: ARM phones are traditionally not very like PCs :) | 13:34 |
| iekku | and i think currently there's onlu n900 where you can install meego | 13:34 |
| iekku | as speaking of the phones | 13:35 |
| lcuk2 | Stskeeps, wrong... | 13:35 |
| lcuk2 | https://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-netbook/windows-instructions | 13:35 |
| lcuk2 | dCDu, windows netbook installation instructions | 13:35 |
| lcuk2 | with nice simple gui | 13:35 |
| lcuk2 | for making the usb stick image at least :) | 13:35 |
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| iekku | lcuk2, are you talking about same thing with Stskeeps? | 13:36 |
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| lcuk2 | the windows .exe download includes a comfort blanket and stuff | 13:36 |
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| lcuk2 | perhaps not, but there is certainly easy instructions for making netbook images on windows | 13:37 |
| lcuk2 | whether the image runs on your device is another matter | 13:37 |
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| dCDu | why no luck with ur nick | 13:38 |
| dCDu | no luck running megoo in phone too? | 13:38 |
| dCDu | eego. | 13:39 |
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| lcuk | dCDu, I have meego n900-de on my phone now | 13:39 |
| lcuk | from linux it is just a few instructions | 13:40 |
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| dCDu | linux is 10000 instructions | 13:41 |
| lcuk | download image, extract from .gz, dd image to MicroSD, flasher the kernel, wait a bit, look around and try to fill with data | 13:41 |
| dCDu | whatever | 13:41 |
| dCDu | nokia N900 original expensive phone or cheap chinese clone ? | 13:41 |
| lcuk | is there a cheap chinese clone? | 13:42 |
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| dCDu | yes | 13:42 |
| dCDu | also samsung is half chinese | 13:42 |
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| dCDu | what is difference between N900 ARM and other phones ? | 13:43 |
| dCDu | why only N900 . | 13:43 |
| dCDu | i got many others with 600MHz ARM | 13:43 |
| dCDu | and 128 RAM | 13:43 |
| dCDu | what is meaning of ' developer edition phone ;' | 13:44 |
| lcuk | for me specifically, it is combination of things - do the other phones have hires screen, hardware keyboard, resistive (hiresolution) touchscreen, open firmware, decent battery life, great community? | 13:44 |
| dCDu | resistive ?? | 13:44 |
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| dCDu | what ?? | 13:45 |
| dCDu | u nokia employee ?? | 13:45 |
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| dCDu | nokia got more open firmware than android WM >>.//./? | 13:45 |
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| dCDu | and nokia asks for 'security certificate' even for small java jar games | 13:46 |
| lcuk | dCDu, morning lardman \o | 13:46 |
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| dCDu | what | 13:46 |
| lardman | morning lcuk | 13:46 |
| dCDu | lardman is a nick | 13:46 |
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| lardman | I was wondering what dCDu meant :) | 13:47 |
| lcuk | dCDu, does MeeGo suppose java jar games? | 13:47 |
| lcuk | me too, apologies did not clear the line first | 13:47 |
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| dCDu | dont know | 13:48 |
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| dCDu | chinese ARM phones need to pay meego to get accepted by it like N900 ? | 13:48 |
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| dCDu | and all phones | 13:48 |
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| Stskeeps | no | 13:48 |
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| chouchoune | dCDu: do you know what you're talking about ? | 13:49 |
| dCDu | then why only that 600MHz 3 yr old trash N900 | 13:49 |
| lcuk | dCDu, specific feature compatible replacements? | 13:49 |
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| chouchoune | dCDu: because it has been ported for that hardware and other vendors did not port for their hardware | 13:49 |
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| lcuk | what other devices are able to do everything the n900 does | 13:50 |
| dCDu | meego will refuse even samsung galaxy 1.2GHz dual core / | 13:50 |
| dCDu | sgs II | 13:50 |
| lcuk | why will it refuse? | 13:51 |
| dCDu | u said | 13:51 |
| chouchoune | dCDu: meego doesn't "refuse", it's just that it hasn't been ported | 13:51 |
| dCDu | "<iekku> and i think currently there's onlu n900 where you can install meego" | 13:51 |
| chouchoune | and without any help from Samsung, it might be difficult to port it | 13:51 |
| dCDu | so samsung needs to pay meego. | 13:52 |
| chouchoune | no | 13:52 |
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| Stskeeps | dCDu: meego is free | 13:52 |
| w00t | no, they, or someone who has an interest in samsung devices needs to put in time to get it to work | 13:52 |
| chouchoune | they could simply give hardware closed specifications | 13:52 |
| chouchoune | or provide drivers | 13:52 |
| chouchoune | that's all | 13:52 |
| dCDu | what is all that | 13:53 |
| dCDu | . | 13:53 |
| dCDu | just replace their ROM by meego ROM | 13:54 |
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| dCDu | usb cable | 13:54 |
| dCDu | no? | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | life isn't that easy | 13:54 |
| chouchoune | but Meego ROM should be adapted to it | 13:54 |
| dm8tbr | life is not a pony ranch, and device adaptations don't grow on trees | 13:54 |
| chouchoune | when you have android ROMs, they are adapted to the hardware they target | 13:55 |
| dCDu | " When you install MeeGo OS, all programs and any other content that exists on the computer you are installing onto will be permanently deleted. " | 13:55 |
| dCDu | that is bad | 13:55 |
| chouchoune | it's not like an android build will work everywhere | 13:55 |
| chouchoune | same for Meego | 13:55 |
| chouchoune | dCDu: same with every operationg system | 13:55 |
| w00t | dm8tbr: but i want a pony | 13:55 |
| dCDu | but i once did dual boot WM 6.1 + Android | 13:56 |
| dm8tbr | w00t: tough luck, no pony ;) | 13:56 |
| lcuk | dCDu, I dualboot maemo and meego | 13:56 |
| iekku | w00t, no pony for you | 13:56 |
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| dCDu | also ran dosemulator dos games and PS emu and windows 98 and snes gba | 13:56 |
| dCDu | zX>,c | 13:57 |
| chouchoune | dCDu: all of those on every single ARM phone ? | 13:57 |
| lcuk | jolly hockey sticks! | 13:57 |
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| dCDu | u mean gsm circuit/camera/screen/speaker/wifi/3G/card slot/ of diffrernt comapnies are all different in different phones ? | 13:58 |
| dCDu | ? | 13:58 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 13:58 |
| dCDu | "<chouchoune> dCDu: all of those on every single ARM phone ?' | 13:58 |
| dCDu | yes .. | 13:58 |
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| dCDu | store many 500MB .iso PS roms and run smooth in the playstation emulator for WM | 13:59 |
| lcuk | couple of /. stories are a bit meh inducing | 13:59 |
| dCDu | i used bart PE builder, trimmed windows 98 and started it with dosemulator-for-pocketPC | 13:59 |
| chouchoune | ok, congrats | 13:59 |
| dCDu | but not tinyXP | 14:00 |
| dCDu | meego is better than windowsXP ? | 14:00 |
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| dCDu | i have the .img file 776 MB but no .vhd virtual hard disk file for MS virtual pc | 14:01 |
| dCDu | .vhds | 14:01 |
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| lcuk | then make one and contribute it back to the meego project | 14:01 |
| lcuk | if you care about using this stuff from windows and know how it can be done: please offer it back and play a part in making meego easier for the next person | 14:02 |
| iekku | +1 for lcuk | 14:03 |
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| dCDu | i wont even try it now | 14:03 |
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| dCDu | it says "When you install MeeGo OS, all programs and any other content that exists on the computer you are installing onto will be permanently deleted." | 14:04 |
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| dCDu | it will badly delete and destroy everything in HDD because it wants to see only meego no windows | 14:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Sp? | 14:04 |
| dCDu | / | 14:04 |
| SpeedEvil | dCDu: No. | 14:04 |
| lcuk | dCDu, same for anything, but if you have a USB stick, you can live boot without installing | 14:04 |
| lcuk | but you are talking about doing it inside a virtual machine | 14:05 |
| lcuk | so,.. | 14:05 |
| SpeedEvil | dCDu: It does that because nobody has written a bootloader and an installer to do windows and meego dualboot. | 14:05 |
| slaine | has anyone had any luck modifying the GTK+ style on Netbook UX, to increase the width of the scrollbars ? | 14:05 |
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| dCDu | bootloader ? | 14:06 |
| dCDu | manually write in boot.ini in notepad | 14:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Umm - no. | 14:07 |
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| dCDu | multi(1)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft meego Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect | 14:07 |
| SpeedEvil | If you want a meego installer that can leave windows there, it needs to resize the windows installation. | 14:07 |
| dCDu | instead of WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional | 14:07 |
| dCDu | over | 14:07 |
| dCDu | ok | 14:08 |
| dCDu | but win 7 is good for pc | 14:08 |
| dCDu | meego in phone . | 14:08 |
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| iekku | dCDu, so you have tried to use meego? | 14:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Meego is designed for running on many different platforms eventually. | 14:09 |
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| dCDu | virtual machine | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Hang on - you're comlaining that installing meego will wipe out a VM? | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | ... | 14:10 |
| dCDu | why is it free. | 14:10 |
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| dCDu | yes like recovery disks they wipe everything | 14:11 |
| dCDu | but i can use another HDD | 14:11 |
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| dCDu | write to a cd or usb ?. | 14:12 |
| dCDu | can meego run .exe files ? | 14:12 |
| timoph | it's not windows | 14:12 |
| dCDu | mirc.exe | 14:12 |
| timoph | not you're just trolling | 14:12 |
| timoph | s/not/now/ | 14:12 |
| infobot | timoph meant: now you're just trolling | 14:12 |
| dCDu | not | 14:12 |
| dCDu | not | 14:12 |
| timoph | you can use for example xchat as irc client | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, wine can run on windows. | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | meego | 14:13 |
| timoph | :) | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | (on x86) | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | dCDu: are you trolling? | 14:14 |
| dCDu | what is "Maddog ate my homework at LinuxFest NW | 14:14 |
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| timoph | porting wine to windows would an interesting project :) | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | timoph: I vaguely recall it exists. | 14:14 |
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| dCDu | meego is owned by linux company ?? | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | timoph: That may have been a dream though. | 14:14 |
| timoph | linux foundation owns the trademark | 14:15 |
| dCDu | eW | 14:15 |
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| timoph | https://meego.com/about | 14:15 |
| dCDu | the meego logo looked like android logo | 14:15 |
| dCDu | not like linux | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | not really | 14:15 |
| dCDu | whatevr | 14:15 |
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| lardman | hmm, looks like someone turned off the office switch again | 14:16 |
| iekku | oh my | 14:17 |
| lardman | I guess we've seen the Acer Iconia M500 stuff? | 14:17 |
| lcuk | lardman, yeah | 14:17 |
| lcuk | looks nice, though I have seen active content widgets somewhere else | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | active-x? | 14:18 |
| lardman | *shudder* | 14:18 |
| lcuk | no, widgets in a grid having live content | 14:18 |
| dCDu | http://cdn.ubergizmo.com/photos/2009/3/samsung-omnia-hd-android.jpg http://cdn0.afterdawn.fi/v3/news/meego-handset-day1.png | 14:19 |
| lcuk | active-x as a principle is nice | 14:19 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: yeah | 14:19 |
| dCDu | tablets are trash | 14:19 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: It's just ... | 14:19 |
| dCDu | tablets are like laptops made for poor | 14:19 |
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| lardman | Seems like people advertising at Computex don't agree dCDu | 14:19 |
| dCDu | better buy 5" screen phone | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | dCDu: please behave or leave | 14:20 |
| lcuk | dCDu, markets are different | 14:20 |
| lcuk | holding up a 10" tablet to make a phone call is not done | 14:20 |
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| lcuk | and using a small handset as a lapboard is also not optimal | 14:21 |
| lcuk | (though using small handset as a writing pad is ok | 14:21 |
| dCDu | BT-keyboard | 14:21 |
| lcuk | lardman, last night I ported something from classic liqbase :) | 14:21 |
| dCDu | also the pen size BT-infrared virtual kbd | 14:21 |
| lardman | 7" is too big for a phone but a nice size for viewing | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | you can write with a keyboard? awesome | 14:21 |
| lcuk | dCDu, not always preferable | 14:21 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, handtyping ;) | 14:21 |
| lcuk | ask anidel about that one | 14:21 |
| dCDu | chinese projector phone with 61" screen 10 lumens | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Virtual keyboards are shit. | 14:22 |
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| dCDu | only $70 | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, is there a font for that? | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | dCDu: You do realise you're barely going to be able to see that in a pitch black room? | 14:22 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, :) sketchfonts | 14:22 |
| lcuk | I like typing in my own handwriting. | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG | You went from complaining about an OS to hardware to price | 14:22 |
| dCDu | tablets also use virtual kbd that too on screen occupying it | 14:22 |
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| lardman | that is a disadvantage if you need to input lots of text, yes | 14:23 |
| iekku | MohammadAG, it seems that n900 is too expencive but tablets are for poors... | 14:23 |
| dCDu | so if u want to play games on it u play on 5" and 5" used by virtual joystick n kbd | 14:23 |
| dCDu | ? | 14:23 |
| iekku | MohammadAG, as a summary :D | 14:23 |
| dCDu | watver | 14:23 |
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| MohammadAG | iekku, hehe | 14:23 |
| lardman | games are not of much appeal | 14:24 |
| dCDu | then buy ebook reader black n white | 14:24 |
| lardman | to me, not sure about the tablet buying general public | 14:24 |
| lardman | if I want to play games I use my quad core monster PC | 14:25 |
| MohammadAG | dCDu, is there any reason you're here? | 14:25 |
| dCDu | aOSKD | 14:25 |
| lardman | what does that mean? | 14:25 |
| MohammadAG | You don't like expensive stuff, you don't like the fact linux is free... | 14:25 |
| dCDu | HP dreamscreen 22" tablet | 14:25 |
| dCDu | dkposoadspsaopkkopsad | 14:25 |
| dCDu | sorry | 14:25 |
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| lardman | :) | 14:26 |
| iekku | :) | 14:26 |
| maitrey | thanks Stskeeps :) | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | too much sugar | 14:27 |
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| lcuk | lardman, you mean MeeGo is not a game? | 14:27 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps is a level 70 mage :P | 14:27 |
| lardman | well one could comment on the level of seriousness | 14:27 |
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| lcuk | lardman, it is very easy to consider community participation in meego as a MMORPG | 14:28 |
| lardman | not really, as coding is actually useful | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | meego's an excuse to play werewolf | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 14:29 |
| lcuk | the caverns of mBarcodia are a 3 man mission | 14:29 |
| tonypercy | some of the people do look like WoW avatars | 14:30 |
| lardman | lcuk: I quite happily play games as a distraction, though I prefer FPS, but coding I only do if it will be of use to me | 14:31 |
| dm8tbr | lcuk: and if you don't have enough confidence points you get eaten by the compliance-grue | 14:33 |
| lardman | or because I think it will be cool, which I suppose it edging towards a game in some sense | 14:33 |
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| eGg_ | what game u talkin of and in which os - . | 14:34 |
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| lardman | I was expecting s/which/what in that comment, to go along with the u and lack of a g :) | 14:35 |
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| ripclaw | hi there. meego fails install in parallels desktop (after boot: sorry no PAE, you are out). is there any non-pae kernel for e.g. parallels or eee701 or similar ? | 15:20 |
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| Stskeeps | mwichmann: ping | 15:21 |
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| mwichmann | pong | 15:26 |
| ripclaw | hi there. meego fails install in parallels desktop (after boot: sorry no PAE, you are out). is there any non-pae kernel for e.g. parallels or eee701 or similar ? | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | mwichmann: i'm reading lsb-discuss and pondering if you think it looks like a consensus on LSB ARM being 'armv7hl', from your experience in that field? | 15:26 |
| mwichmann | probably | 15:27 |
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| mwichmann | ... it's a place where decisions don't tend to happen really fast :( | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:28 |
| mwichmann | (often for good reason; sometimes frustrating) | 15:28 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, ping | 16:18 |
| lcuk | the maemo community media player, how usable would it be in meego n900-de? | 16:18 |
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| ripclaw | hi there. meego fails install in parallels desktop (after boot: sorry no PAE, you are out). is there any non-pae kernel for e.g. parallels or eee701 or similar ? | 16:23 |
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| slaine | ripclaw: you might be able to set PAE in the system settings for the VM under Parallels | 16:26 |
| slaine | Note that MeeGo Netbook needs an accelerated Intel graphics chip, like the GMA950 (945GME) | 16:27 |
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| alterego | Where are the conference session videos being uploaded? | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | on the sessions usually | 16:44 |
| alterego | So sf2011.meego.com ? | 16:44 |
| alterego | Ah, found it :) | 16:45 |
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| ripclaw | slaine: i think the pae doesnt work here... tried that out, same outcome. isnt it possible to use any old X11 driver ? | 16:46 |
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| slaine | nope | 16:46 |
| slaine | Check the wiki for VirtualBox how to | 16:46 |
| slaine | I'm not sure of that wiki entry us up to date though | 16:47 |
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| lcuk | Screenshot tool for the handset and tablet uxes: | 16:48 |
| lcuk | http://pastebin.com/0JZF9EDc | 16:48 |
| lcuk | thanks to the guys in #meego-arm for making it a single command line :) | 16:49 |
| ripclaw | slaine: no pae emulation over here. checked it. if the cpu cant do it... parallels cant do it. | 16:49 |
| ripclaw | slaine: is there any docs on compiling it myself ? what should i do if i like to be distributing a 1.2 release for non-pae, non-intel grafix ? | 16:50 |
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| slaine | You'd have to look at doing a hardware adaptation project | 16:50 |
| slaine | We talked about doing one a while back but everyones been too busy | 16:50 |
| slaine | basically compiling for generic-x86 rather than Atom | 16:51 |
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| ripclaw | slaine: where do i find the relevant docs ? i have a bit of experience from rocklinux a while back. i was sparc port maint. | 16:51 |
| slaine | And including xorg drivers for other devices | 16:51 |
| slaine | wiki is the source of all docs | 16:51 |
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| ripclaw | slaine: that's easy. - toolchain ? preferred cross-compile system (e.g. suse, redhat, solaris, haiku) | 16:52 |
| * slaine shrugs | 16:52 | |
| ripclaw | is there a make crossbuild or something ? how does the build work ? | 16:52 |
| slaine | Do you want me to do it for you ? | 16:52 |
| ripclaw | i guess then, i'll find it all in git ? | 16:52 |
| slaine | Perhaps start with the wiki like I suggested | 16:53 |
| ripclaw | nope. but if you had any of the answers, it would be quicker :) | 16:53 |
| ripclaw | np. where to go to with the finished release - put it up on sf.net or come back to $maintainer ? who would that be ? | 16:53 |
| ripclaw | i'm preparing for a 4 day weekend over here ^^ | 16:54 |
| slaine | ripclaw: you in .IE | 16:54 |
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| ripclaw | i guess i'll git-pull and put that up to sf after it... | 16:54 |
| ripclaw | slaine: not in erin, i'm in .DE - but we have a sibin here ^^ | 16:55 |
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| slaine | ripclaw: we have a long weekend too | 16:55 |
| ripclaw | slaine: cool. what county ? i'm in darmstadt, south of frankfurt. | 16:56 |
| slaine | IE | 16:56 |
| ripclaw | county, without the r... :) | 16:56 |
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| slaine | Dublin, MeeGo uses OBS, there's a community OBS server that you can get access to and make a start | 16:57 |
| ripclaw | i understand that IE does mean geography of ireland without northern... | 16:57 |
| slaine | nod | 16:57 |
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| ripclaw | cool. i guess OBS includes some kind of regression test build ? where to go for accounts ? | 16:58 |
| ripclaw | dublin is a fine city - my brother was there a few times. from what i can see or hear from his travels, it's probably the most pub-scene rich place in the world ^^ | 16:59 |
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| ripclaw | we have 5 pubs nearby, one irish, one english wannabe irish, one scottisch and two wannabe. guess who serves beamish... | 16:59 |
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| TSCHAKeee | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6163683/cycles-in-family-tree-software <-- ROFL | 17:33 |
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| gabrbedd | TSCHAKeee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYlJH81dSiw | 17:37 |
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| TSCHAKeee | gabrbedd: eeeeeeeeeexactly. | 17:37 |
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| gabrbedd | TSCHAKeee: the fun thing about that song is that it's all legal/legit... unlike the stackoverflow post. :-) | 17:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | mhm hehehh | 17:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | It is possible legally to have children with people you usually can't. | 17:41 |
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| hiemanshu | legally yes, socially no | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | In many countries, anonymous sperm donation has/is common. | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | And statistically - this leads to rare issues. | 17:42 |
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| delac | bit offtopic, maybe? | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Oops | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I thought this was another channel | 17:42 |
| delac | trying to install SDK | 17:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | delac: buzzkill. | 17:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Where people usually post links like that. | 17:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 17:43 |
| delac | getting error : Error during installation (com.meego.sdk.pm) | 17:43 |
| delac | Execution failed: unexpected error code 127 | 17:44 |
| delac | what might cause that? | 17:44 |
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| delac | relates somehow to file ~/.config/meego.com/sdk/pm/config_repo | 17:45 |
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| aindfan | hello | 17:48 |
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| aindfan | I'm trying to get IVI 1.2 running on an AMD fusion board | 17:49 |
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| aindfan | I know this isn't a supported setup, but can anyone suggest the best troubleshooting path? | 17:50 |
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| gabrbedd | aindfan: you have to recompile all the packages for your CPU. | 17:51 |
| alterego | Have fun :D | 17:51 |
| aindfan | haha thanks | 17:51 |
| smoku | aindfan: troubleshoting what? what is the problem? :) | 17:51 |
| gabrbedd | aindfan: And you have to sort out any graphics card issues. | 17:51 |
| aindfan | I've been trying to figure out how to set up the build environment from scratch but I haven't understood how from the documentation | 17:52 |
| gabrbedd | aindfan: If you're serious about it... probably the easist way would be to set up your own OBS server. | 17:53 |
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| Jaffa | andre__: I can see your sanity unwinding on meego-qa :-) | 17:53 |
| gabrbedd | aindfan: But if you really want to do them all by hand, you'll need to set up a chroot environment. Then configure RPM to correctly build for your arch. | 17:53 |
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| gabrbedd | aindfan: Setting up a chroot is more or less the same on any linux distro. I've done it in debian as well as meego. | 17:54 |
| tomeu | wonder if amd won't have people already working on that | 17:55 |
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| gabrbedd | aindfan: if your build machine/server is a Core2 or newer you'll save yourself a lot of trouble. | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | ssse3 processors are coming from amd | 17:55 |
| tomeu | not that it could make a difference unless you work at amd or for one big customer of them | 17:55 |
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| andre__ | Jaffa: I can see myself fighting a battle that I will not win. | 17:55 |
| andre__ | Jaffa, plus being seen even more as a pedantic trouble-maker. ;-) | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: you must kill outlook! | 17:56 |
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| Stskeeps | and modest | 17:56 |
| aindfan | otherwise the text install successfully boots but I got stuck with graphics drivers (ati's driver failed, vesa got me to an x cursor but no further) | 17:57 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Modest is fine with the CSSU (and patches which've been otherwise languishing in Bugzilla for years) :-p | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: modest crashes randomly for me after cssu :( | 17:57 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Sounds like you're the kind of man to help Sc0rpius debug the gdb logs and memory allocation. | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: can't i just enjoy being a regular consumer for once? :( | 17:58 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: /me mutters something about testing covenants ;-) | 17:59 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, sure, just get a second identity? | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: you mean third, abill_uk's my second ;p | 17:59 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Knew it! :-p | 17:59 |
| andre__ | argh. I knew it!!! | 17:59 |
| * Jaffa isn't sure he saw Stskeeps and THAT Guy in the same room at the same time. Maybe the DE talk, but you were both over on the far right... | 18:00 | |
| Stskeeps | PNG guy? | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | i was never in same room, i think | 18:00 |
| delac | has anyone managed to get SDK 1.2 to work on Meego 1.2 netbook? | 18:00 |
| aindfan | so as for chroot... can I install ubuntu or fedora on the amd box and build from there? | 18:01 |
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| tomeu | aindfan: if you can boot and only have trouble with the graphics, then the previous advice of building everything may not be accurate | 18:01 |
| fiferboy | Stskeeps: THAT guy was everywhere! | 18:03 |
| aindfan | oh ok | 18:03 |
| tomeu | aindfan: maybe I will try a couple of live cds from recent distros, and see if the graphics work | 18:04 |
| aindfan | network didn't come up either, but I figured I'd attack that once X started working | 18:04 |
| tomeu | s/will/would | 18:04 |
| tomeu | then see how that other distro does it and find out what is missing in meego | 18:04 |
| aindfan | I had no trouble with an ubuntu install, I can try going to that | 18:05 |
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| aindfan | I've also been trying to build the ati driver but haven't chased down all of the dependencies yet | 18:06 |
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| aindfan | unfortunately my most recent package install (vesa or fbdev?) resulted in an inability to switch to the shell in tty1 | 18:08 |
| aindfan | anyways, thanks for everyone's help, I'll keep trying the graphics driver approach and ask again here if I decide to build from scratch | 18:09 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I'm pretty sure he was in the DE talk when you were on stage, as we were trying to think what questions he might ask. But then didn't. | 18:12 |
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| fiferboy | I swear he was in almost every session I was in | 18:13 |
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| delac | anyone? trying to install SDK 1.2. Error: Unexpected exit code: 127. Any thoughts? | 18:18 |
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| delac | does the SDK installer have some prerequisites or something before it works? | 18:40 |
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| npm | the only problem w/ running xbmc on the exopc meego 1.2 tablet is that it triggers the automatic shutdown bug after a while (overheating?) | 18:42 |
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| * npm http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem 'ized his tablet so now it's got apps apps and more apps. | 18:43 | |
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| npm | btw, how do you get the tablet UX to recognize the app-images set in /home/meego/.local/share/applications/*.desktop ?? | 18:49 |
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| npm | hmmm... it sees /usr/share/icons/*.png but not the hicolor/WxH/*.png ones | 18:54 |
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| npm | s/.../ /usr/share/pixmaps/ | 18:55 |
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| npm | sudo ln -s /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/emacs.png /usr/share/pixmaps/emacs.png | 18:59 |
| npm | ^^^ works, and gives emacs installed from meego an icon | 18:59 |
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| npm | of course, some perfectly valid ones result in coredumps and very long UX startup times: sudo ln -s /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/firefox.png /usr/share/pixmaps/ | 19:16 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Is there anyway to change the email address associated with my meego.com account? I can't find one. Must I simply create a new account? That would be annoying: I would stop getting notices sent to the old account. | 19:49 |
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| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: meego.com account settings should have a way | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | i've seen people succesfully do it | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | also changes bugzilla etc | 19:51 |
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| delac | Still having problem with SDK installation to Meego netbook: Execution failed (Unexpected exit code: 127). Any thoughts or wiki page? | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | You're trying to install the SDK on a meogo netbook? | 20:02 |
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| delac | SpeedEvil: yes | 20:03 |
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| gabrbedd | delac: if you mean the MeeGo SDK downloaded from, say, http://developer.meego.com/meego-sdk ... | 20:12 |
| gabrbedd | delac: I don't think that's intended to be installed ON a MeeGo device. | 20:13 |
| gabrbedd | delac: For example... MeeGo isn't listed in the supported OS's. | 20:13 |
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| gabrbedd | delac: From within meego, you usually just install the tools you need. There's some patterns available for this... I don't recall their name straight away. | 20:14 |
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| gabrbedd | delac: To get a list of patterns.... zypper pt | 20:14 |
| paulliu | Sorry.. I'd like to make sure if old moblin player "hornsey" is dead upstream now? | 20:14 |
| gabrbedd | delac: To install a pattern.... zypper install pattern:name-of-pattern | 20:15 |
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| paulliu | It seems to me that we use banshee currently for meego? | 20:15 |
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| gabrbedd | paulliu: the media player is UX-specific. The Netbook UX uses banshee. The Tablet UX uses 'meego-app-media' or some such thing, which may be a meego-specific fork of something. | 20:16 |
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| gabrbedd | paulliu: I can't find a "hornsey" in the repos... so I'm guessing it's dead. | 20:17 |
| paulliu | gabrbedd: ok.. thanks.. I'm maintaining old hornsey in Debian and would like to remove it because dead upstream.. | 20:17 |
| paulliu | gabrbedd: Because Debian are doing libtracker transition. It is not wise to port an dead project to new lib and keep it in Debian... | 20:18 |
| gabrbedd | paulliu: I agree. It should be removed from Debian. | 20:19 |
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| delac | gabrbedd: well, there is bunch of meego-sdk-* but nothing that seem complete development package | 20:27 |
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| delac | gabrbedd: I have already installed meego-base-development and meego-development-tools, but neither of these installed for example qt-creator, so I'm not sure if they are enough... | 20:28 |
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| delac | gabrbedd: also, at least sdk 1.1 is installable to Meego netbook edition, so I thought it is the preferred way to do development | 20:29 |
| qgil | The Computex news & press releases usually talk about "Intel's" MeeGo. I really have no interest starting a discussion but I hope Intel PR doesn't make the assumption that "MeeGo - Nokia = Intel's MeeGo", since imho that wouldn't help the project success | 20:30 |
| RST38h | Meego - Nokia = Moblin isn't it? | 20:30 |
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| tripzero | no | 20:31 |
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| GAN900 | qgil, I can see where they would get the impression, though. | 20:31 |
| tripzero | to say nokia anymore isn't involved isn't exactly true | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: then again, even with AMD joining back pre-feb11, media said "joining intel's meego effort" | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: if you google a bit | 20:32 |
| GAN900 | Nokia was like the bad uncle nobody wants to talk about at the family reunion. | 20:32 |
| tripzero | lol | 20:32 |
| RST38h | tripzero: Then NOkia should clearly state where and how it is involved | 20:32 |
| qgil | GAN900: afais they get the impression from the wording in press releases and product presentations | 20:32 |
| tripzero | RST38h, it's fairly obvious if you follow development at all. Qt is nokia owned and a huge part of meego | 20:32 |
| tripzero | Qt5 is a big part of meego's future | 20:33 |
| tripzero | also a fair amount of the DE was nokia's doing | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | (and hey, us meego arm guys are here too stil) ;) | 20:33 |
| qgil | You're missing the point: regardless of the company involvements MeeGo is MeeGo, or if you want to stretch it, Linux Foundatuion's MeeGo. In no situation is "$COMPANY's MeeGo" | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:33 |
| tripzero | qgil, exactly | 20:34 |
| tripzero | +1 | 20:34 |
| alterego | Unless Intel do their own instance | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | is it against trademark guidelines to say Intel's MeeGo? ;) | 20:34 |
| qgil | otherwaise we got back to the square of Maemo / Moblin and that's it | 20:34 |
| alterego | Then it's "Intels' MeeGo Instance" :) | 20:34 |
| GAN900 | qgil, agree 100%. | 20:34 |
| alterego | Though I prefer "Intels' flavour of MeeGo" | 20:35 |
| GAN900 | But I can understand how people come away with the impression. | 20:35 |
| alterego | I don't think Intel PR see it as a bad thing either ... | 20:35 |
| qgil | I'm onyl saying that usually marketing helps getting people's impressions in the direction you want - and I wonder what is the direction wanted now. That's all I wanted to saya nd now I can go back to work" :) | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: they might, if they want other companies to contribute | 20:36 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: I see your point there .. | 20:36 |
| thiago_home | qgil: you have to distinguish Intel's PR from what the media picks up | 20:36 |
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| thiago_home | Intel is the largest promoter and the one making most noise about it | 20:36 |
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| thiago_home | the media might be getting it wrong | 20:36 |
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| alterego | The media always get it wrong :P | 20:36 |
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| alterego | At least, the mainstream media | 20:36 |
| qgil | thiago_home: well, Asus' press release had this wording | 20:36 |
| alterego | Eek | 20:37 |
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| thiago_home | then we need to help Asus understand what MeeGo is | 20:37 |
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| qgil | thiago_home: sure, but I assume that the wording of that press release was reviewed at least by Intel marketing | 20:38 |
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| tripzero | s/Asus/Acer/ ? | 20:38 |
| gabrbedd | delac: Inside an actual meego install... just install the packages you need. That's the preferred way. | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | tripzero: i always get those messed up | 20:38 |
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| tripzero | Stskeeps, ur not the only one. | 20:38 |
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| tripzero | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2075330/asus-munchies-demo-iconia-tab-m500-meego-tablet | 20:39 |
| tripzero | theinquirer got it wrong too :P | 20:39 |
| thiago_home | qgil: I assume so too | 20:39 |
| delac | gabrbedd: yes, but got any tutorial? although meego-sdk-base looks promising (missed that previously). | 20:39 |
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| thiago_home | what's a snacking user experience? | 20:40 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago_home: a device where you can both eat cookies and use it at the same time? | 20:42 |
| tripzero | mmm, cookies | 20:42 |
| gabrbedd | delac: Not me. I don't even use Qt Creator. | 20:42 |
| gabrbedd | delac: ever. | 20:42 |
| tripzero | nobody's perfect | 20:43 |
| SpeedEvil | thiago: A device that runs so hot that you can toast waffles on the exhaust. | 20:43 |
| lcuk | the n900 keyboard can be removed to reveal a griddle | 20:44 |
| delac | gabrbedd: dont tell me you are vi user. :) Is there some specific reason for that? | 20:44 |
| gabrbedd | <--- emacs user | 20:46 |
| delac | XD | 20:46 |
| gabrbedd | delac: Yes, the specific reason is that I've used emacs for years and years because it's very portable, cross platform, stable, and helps me get my job done. | 20:46 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, can you be described as a user? | 20:46 |
| lcuk | more like mage or wizard | 20:46 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: haha, thanks! | 20:47 |
| * lcuk needs a gui editor | 20:47 | |
| lcuk | and one with a gui that requires less fingers than a string instrument orchestra | 20:47 |
| gabrbedd | I think Qt Creator is very nice... and I've considered switching to it (e.g. method parameter reminders) | 20:49 |
| gabrbedd | I haven't tried using it with X-forwarding, though. | 20:49 |
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| delac | there is something strange going on with my Meego wired connection. It does get served a new ip every time I try to connect, but if I try to ping, I get Host Unreachable... | 20:52 |
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| delac | Is Meego trying to be funny? I have had so many network connection problems that Meego lists "This webpage is not available" as my favourite page... XD | 21:01 |
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| Stskeeps | not trying, but is succeeding | 21:02 |
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| gabrbedd | delac: are you sure it's not a loose/damaged ethernet cable? | 21:02 |
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| delac | gabrbedd: it works at one point, then it stops, and later it starts to work again. several times already, so I dont think it's cable related | 21:04 |
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| delac | the odd thing is. reseting the adsl-modem doesn't help, but if I run the network diagnostics on the modem, then the network starts to work. sometimes... but never without running the diagnostics first. | 21:12 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, nice article | 21:12 |
| lcuk | http://gabrbedd.wordpress.com/2011/06/01/ux-confusion-surrounding-meego/ | 21:12 |
| delac | and this has never happened before I started using Meego... | 21:12 |
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| gabrbedd | delac: I don't know. I haven't had anything like that happen to me. :-/ | 21:14 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Thanks! | 21:14 |
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| tripzero | lcuk, i'm not sure that article is exactly accurate | 21:15 |
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| lcuk | tripzero, then comment/discuss/chew over | 21:16 |
| gabrbedd | tripzero: I'm listening. | 21:16 |
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| lcuk | better to have blog posts which encourage discussion :) | 21:16 |
| tripzero | device vendors may not use them... ie, the reference apps | 21:16 |
| tripzero | but there's no reason why a device vendor couldn't | 21:17 |
| lcuk | that is why the word "may" is there | 21:17 |
| tripzero | well | 21:17 |
| lcuk | tripzero, did you know that gabrbedd is pretty much a device vendor? | 21:17 |
| tripzero | the article used the word "will not use" them | 21:17 |
| tripzero | gabrbedd, is? | 21:18 |
| gabrbedd | tripzero: I said "It's expected that device vendors will not use them..." | 21:18 |
| gabrbedd | tripzero: That leave room for them to indeed use them. | 21:18 |
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| gabrbedd | gabrbedd: yes, I work for a device vendor... | 21:19 |
| gabrbedd | tripzero: ^^ | 21:19 |
| tripzero | and i think many/most of the 'reference' apps will be used | 21:19 |
| gabrbedd | tripzero: And we're using a reference ux. | 21:19 |
| tripzero | ahh | 21:20 |
| gabrbedd | tripzero: (and kind of regretting that, as well...) | 21:20 |
| tripzero | do tell | 21:20 |
| fiferboy | gabrbedd: Android does do vendor custom interfaces to an extent | 21:20 |
| tripzero | which ux? | 21:20 |
| fiferboy | gabrbedd: Motorola Blur, HTC Sense, Samsung TouchWiz | 21:20 |
| gabrbedd | tripzero: the pre-alpha developer preview Tablet UX. :-) | 21:20 |
| gabrbedd | fiferboy: and Kindle, too. (Or is it Nook?) | 21:21 |
| gabrbedd | fiferboy: I may need to do an edit for that point. | 21:21 |
| tripzero | gabrbedd, use the latest meego-ux and it should be a lot betterer than the pre-alpha something or rather | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: nook color would have been good with a meego base, it really doesn't use much of android :P | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | browser and that's about it | 21:22 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, would you say that using the notion of collective improvement, the MeeGo UX (which should be vendor neutral but the best we can collectively support) should lower the barrier of entry for both yourself and other cottage vendors? | 21:22 |
| gabrbedd | tripzero: Yes... I'm tracking with the upstream meego-ux. | 21:23 |
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| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: indeed. | 21:23 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Agreed. And it will. They're still developing it. | 21:24 |
| delac | is it possible to maximize application on netbook? (if you have resized it) | 21:24 |
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| tripzero | gabrbedd, so what are your regrets? | 21:24 |
| lcuk | delac, sadly not that I could find | 21:24 |
| lcuk | annoyingly the default window size is 2 pixels smaller than the screen | 21:25 |
| tripzero | besides the obvious frustration with beta quality software? | 21:25 |
| lcuk | so with mouse you cannot just mouse to side of screen and scroll | 21:25 |
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| lcuk | bug 10444 | 21:25 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10444 nor, Undecided, ---, hao.h.li, NEW, Browser scrolling not possible when mouse at screen borders | 21:25 |
| gabrbedd | tripzero: just that it's not ready, today. We sort of expected to have a stable Tablet UX provided by MeeGo and then we could focus on the audio apps. | 21:26 |
| delac | there is clearly room for some improvements regarding the window management on netbook... | 21:26 |
| mikhas | gabrbedd, harhar | 21:27 |
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| gabrbedd | tripzero: c'est la vie :-) | 21:27 |
| gabrbedd | mikhas: ^^^ | 21:27 |
| gabrbedd | :-p | 21:27 |
| fiferboy | gabrbedd: At least the tablet UX snapshots seem to be progressing in the right direction | 21:27 |
| fiferboy | Today's image has a couple more improvements | 21:28 |
| mikhas | gabrbedd, stable as in: being able to use MeeGo UX with a custom theming? | 21:28 |
| mikhas | (and specifically not having to rewrite all the UX from scratch) | 21:28 |
| gabrbedd | mikhas: stable as in: uses a stable window manager that works well with legacy applications so that we don't have to rewrite THEM from scratch. | 21:29 |
| pebcak | fiferboy worth updating? | 21:29 |
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| mikhas | oh, ouch | 21:29 |
| gabrbedd | mikhas: :-) | 21:29 |
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| gabrbedd | mikhas: Getting closer, though. | 21:29 |
| fiferboy | pebcak: Worth it over the original tablet preview? Absolutely. Worht it over the image from the 25 of May, maybe not | 21:29 |
| fiferboy | I just do a clean install for each version to check the functionality improvements | 21:30 |
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| pebcak | fiferboy nah, I usually update with snapshots | 21:33 |
| fiferboy | The main thing I noticed is the pull-down status bar finally works in portrait mode | 21:33 |
| fiferboy | The main screen rotates better than before too | 21:33 |
| pebcak | I'm not sure I like the new lightgrey paneldesign | 21:34 |
| fiferboy | pebcak: I do like the grid view for bookmarks better, and it is more readable against some backgrounds | 21:35 |
| gabrbedd | fiferboy: I just added a footnote about Android customization, per your comment. | 21:36 |
| fiferboy | gabrbedd: Excellent. I think the point was still valid, as the Android customizations are quite contentious in the community | 21:38 |
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| * Stskeeps throws mic2 out the window | 21:41 | |
| Stskeeps | it makes a fs, mkfs.vfat's it, mounts it fine in loop.. i remount and it says bad number of reserved sectors | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | wtf | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:41 |
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| * Stskeeps goes read | 21:42 | |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: I spent the whole day yesterday fighting mic2... it complained about a failed Rmpdb checksum. | 21:42 |
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| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: turns out... it had a dependency that it couldn't solve. | 21:42 |
| gabrbedd | Why didn't it say so?? | 21:42 |
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| npm | error messages are about as useful as comments in code sometimes... get out of sync w/ reality | 21:43 |
| CosmoHill | 1. Bro's mobo fails, 2. replacement motherboard doesn't support the 3.6Ghz processor, 3. 3rd mobo doesn't support SATA | 21:43 |
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| gabrbedd | FWIW, they're planning to refactor mic2 to fix stuff like that. | 21:46 |
| fiferboy | gabrbedd: BTW, I liked your low latency audio talk even though most of it was over my head | 21:46 |
| gabrbedd | ATM the error messages tend to have nothing to do with what went wrong because of the way all the try/catch stuff. | 21:46 |
| gabrbedd | fiferboy: thanks... which parts were over your head? | 21:47 |
| gabrbedd | (I'm not going to grill you on it... just curious for future reference.) | 21:47 |
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| pebcak | fiferboy which hardware are using with the tablet ux? exopc? | 21:49 |
| fiferboy | gabrbedd: I was familiar with the technologies and threading and all that, but I guess I had never thought about the entire audio pipeline | 21:49 |
| fiferboy | pebcak: Yes, ExoPC | 21:49 |
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| fiferboy | gabrbedd: I attended because it sounded interesting, and it was. I left happy. | 21:50 |
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| delac | yay! after all the hardships, I finally managed to run my first hello world on meego :) | 21:51 |
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| lcuk | delac, "echo 'hello world'" | 21:52 |
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| delac | lcuk: mine is bit more sophisticated | 21:52 |
| lcuk | delac, with line numbers and a goto? | 21:52 |
| * npm installs qasmixer as it's easier than trying to get the volume slider to come up on the exopc meego tablet | 21:53 | |
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| npm | wish everybody would ship devices with at least one physical, tactile button | 21:54 |
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| * npm trying to figure out how to glue a grommet over the exopc "button" -- to prevent brushing, and to make pressing "tactile" | 21:55 | |
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| lcuk | npm, are you left or right handed? | 21:56 |
| npm | and imho the only thing a proximity sensor is good for is to see if your face is next to the tablet | 21:56 |
| npm | lcuk: left | 21:56 |
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| npm | imho, they should use the maemo 5 launcher thingie | 21:56 |
| npm | on the screen, with visual feedback of what it's doing | 21:57 |
| lcuk | when I write on my n810 (and to lesser degree n900) my hand covers the light sensor and causes it to wibble | 21:57 |
| lcuk | I ended up putting a sticker over it | 21:57 |
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| gabrbedd | fiferboy: haha, thanks! | 21:57 |
| npm | and skip the proximuty button | 21:57 |
| akk | feedback would sure be nice | 21:57 |
| fiferboy | gabrbedd: I'm sure it was the perfect level for your target audience, though | 21:57 |
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| lcuk | akk, your IRC comment was posted and message ended up at my computer. | 21:59 |
| pebcak | fiferboy I usually upgrade via zypper because I have some other programs (fbreader etc.) installed, but sometimes that doesn't work so well (missing graphics and what not) | 22:00 |
| akk | lcuk: :) | 22:00 |
| lcuk | do I need to give feedback for *every* message? | 22:00 |
| npm | pebcak: I "distribution upraded" my tablet to latest 1.2 and it works much better, mostly | 22:00 |
| akk | lcuk: But I didn't get a busy cursor between when I hit Enter and when your feedback arrived here. | 22:00 |
| npm | and has a completely different look too | 22:01 |
| lcuk | akk, good point | 22:01 |
| lcuk | perhaps we could simulate that | 22:01 |
| npm | it's not all guacamole colored | 22:01 |
| akk | On the exo, I have to tap pretty hard to launch apps, and sometimes it seems like I have to double-tap (I'm never sure) | 22:01 |
| akk | so I wish there was something indicating "something is launching now" | 22:01 |
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| npm | for some time-value of guacamole | 22:02 |
| fiferboy | pebcak: Have you found a terminal with a vkb, or do you use a usb kb? | 22:02 |
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| gabrbedd | fiferboy: i would say that my "target audience" was... not very well defined. :-) | 22:10 |
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| gabrbedd | fiferboy: One interesting thing after the session.... an Intel guy attending my session saw the code where I was trying to get 16-byte aligned pointers... | 22:12 |
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| pebcak | fiferboy I have a lenovo thinkpad keyboard, so I'm have no problem.... | 22:13 |
| gabrbedd | fiferboy: and I had written something like if( ((int)ptr % 16) != 0 ) | 22:13 |
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| gabrbedd | fiferboy: and he noticed it... and pointed out that it fails on x86_64... | 22:14 |
| pebcak | °I have no problem | 22:14 |
| gabrbedd | fiferboy: At first I was like... huh? where? | 22:14 |
| ShadowJK | isn't there a intptr_t? :) | 22:14 |
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| fiferboy | gabrbedd: Nice. Did he supply a patch for your presentation? | 22:14 |
| pebcak | fiferboy but I also often just ssh from my laptop.... | 22:14 |
| ali1234 | gabrbedd: can't you just allocate (needed ram + 15 bytes) and then skip the first bit? | 22:14 |
| fiferboy | pebcak: But you need a usb keyboard to find out the tablets IP? | 22:15 |
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| gabrbedd | Yes, that code came from BEFORE I learned about intptr_t (when Debian gave me a FTBFS on x86_64) | 22:15 |
| akk | fiferboy: I run a script to ping all the addresses on the local net, and figure out the tablet's address that way. :) | 22:15 |
| gabrbedd | However, posix_memalign() is a better option. | 22:15 |
| akk | (if I don't have a usb keyboard handy) | 22:16 |
| delac | um, what do you do if the program window is larger than the screen, and there is no scroll? | 22:16 |
| akk | Doesn't work so well at conferences, though. | 22:16 |
| pebcak | fiferboy no, my accesspoint assigns the ips via macaddress so the tab always got the same ip | 22:16 |
| ShadowJK | What's stack alignment on linux amd64 and x86 anyway? 16 and 8? does it change with -msse? | 22:16 |
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| fiferboy | akk: Good point. When I get home I'll connect to wifi and check my router's DHCP | 22:16 |
| gabrbedd | ShadowJK: stack alignment? IDK? | 22:17 |
| fiferboy | pebcak: Mine does that too, I just never thought to look up the IP until now | 22:17 |
| gabrbedd | ShadowJK: The internal alignment for x86 is 16-byte. | 22:17 |
| gabrbedd | ShadowJK: And cache alignment is 64-byte (IIRC) | 22:17 |
| gabrbedd | ShadowJK: SSE ops require 16-byte alignment. | 22:18 |
| pebcak | fiferboy :D | 22:18 |
| ShadowJK | gabrbedd, ah I was thinking about &ptr % 16, iirc it can become nonzero on win32 using gcc | 22:18 |
| lcuk | question about my ideapad: I want to stop it from entering suspend mode when I close the lid | 22:19 |
| lcuk | and I recall seeing it somewhere | 22:19 |
| lcuk | (I open/close lid often whilst walking around house) | 22:19 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: MeeGo 1.2? | 22:19 |
| lcuk | I am always near a power supply so battery life etc is not a concern | 22:19 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, meego netbook still | 22:20 |
| gabrbedd | ShadowJK: The code was something like while( ((intptr_t)ptr % 16) != 0 ) ++ptr; | 22:20 |
| lcuk | but I would imagine same for all | 22:20 |
| ShadowJK | How long does it take to resume? My Samsung netbook with win7 resumes in about 2 seconds :) | 22:20 |
| gabrbedd | ShadowJK: where ptr was char* or something. | 22:20 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, long time sometimes | 22:21 |
| lcuk | and it gets confused it I reopen lid whilst it is suspending | 22:21 |
| lcuk | it is probably fixable by reflash etc | 22:21 |
| lcuk | but it is otherwise stable as it is | 22:21 |
| gabrbedd | ShadowJK: once aligned, I cast it back to the intended type (float*) | 22:21 |
| pebcak | I wonder when sleep will be added to the tablet ux | 22:22 |
| lcuk | on ubuntu I can set options for the lid open/close but cannot find similar | 22:22 |
| ShadowJK | that code might be fine on non-posix that doesn't have working memaligns ;p | 22:22 |
| gabrbedd | But posix_memalign() is better because you don't have to add all that code... and you can still use free() on the returned pointer. | 22:22 |
| gabrbedd | ShadowJK: the Intel compiler intrensics also has an abstract aligned allocator... | 22:23 |
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| ShadowJK | Well that's pretty much guaranteed to break or return randomness in more places than posix_memalign :) | 22:24 |
| gabrbedd | _mm_malloc() | 22:24 |
| gabrbedd | Maybe not. It's shipped with the compiler, usually. | 22:25 |
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| ShadowJK | Guaranteed to break in the sense that using compiler-specific features is guaranteed to break things on other compilers | 22:27 |
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| gabrbedd | ShadowJK: True... except that it's a published specification. | 22:30 |
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| ShadowJK | Well so is Posix, it's even a Standard, yet as a project grows you eventually end up with your own posix_memalign implementation (and others) and massive autoconf scripts to check what the system has and doesn't have, and what you can substitute with your own stuff :P | 22:33 |
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| gabrbedd | ShadowJK: :-p | 22:38 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 22:38 |
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| lcuk | :) thanks to historical irc, and a couple of threads on forum.meego.com | 22:42 |
| lcuk | I now can open/close the lid often and instantly carry on where I was | 22:42 |
| lcuk | bettery life might go down and it is not completely on/off but network connections remain and downloads carry on whilst I am moving around house | 22:43 |
| lcuk | but since battery life is measure in hours :) | 22:43 |
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| tripzero | gabrbedd, yeh, we didn't target stability for 1.2 on the meego ux. THere's still a lot of development going on even today | 23:07 |
| tripzero | it's a very fast moving target | 23:08 |
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| gabrbedd | tripzero: Are you a MeeGo UX dev? I'm not blaming you guys at all. | 23:08 |
| tripzero | oh, i know. I understand your frustrations as well | 23:08 |
| tripzero | being on the bleeding edge can make you, well, bleed. | 23:09 |
| tripzero | yeh, i'm a meego ux dev | 23:09 |
| * tripzero hides | 23:09 | |
| gabrbedd | tripzero: Well, when we started this... our target was actually the Handset UX... | 23:09 |
| gabrbedd | tripzero: so I'm more annoyed that it got abandoned. | 23:09 |
| tripzero | :nod: | 23:09 |
| gabrbedd | tripzero: You guys did a good job with the Tablet UX in the time frame given. | 23:10 |
| tripzero | :) | 23:10 |
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| akk | Is the handset ux abandoned? | 23:20 |
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| tripzero | akk, well, mtf is deprecated | 23:20 |
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| tripzero | which the handset ux was based on | 23:21 |
| tripzero | feel free to make your own conclusions from there ;) | 23:21 |
| gabrbedd | akk: nobody will confirm or deny the deprecation of the handset ux... however the N900 DE team have been continuing the work AFAIK. | 23:21 |
| tripzero | right. i've been accepting and pushing patches from the n900 DE team. but i admit my active development is currently on the meego ux. | 23:22 |
| tripzero | but that's just me personally | 23:22 |
| dwmw2 | hm, is Nokia dead already? I have 244 messages on my mail queue for nokia.com ... | 23:22 |
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| dwmw2 | 2011-06-01 20:22:23 +0000 1QRhpC-0007WJ-Lc SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data: host mx2.nokia.com [147.243.177.56]: 451 4.3.2 Please try again later | 23:22 |
| dwmw2 | etc. | 23:22 |
| gabrbedd | tripzero: I'm glad to hear that they're getting merged. | 23:22 |
| tripzero | i think Stskeeps etc, have plans to move DE to the meego ux though in da future... | 23:23 |
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| GAN900 | gabrbedd, should turn your talk into a workshop. | 23:36 |
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| gabrbedd | GAN900: Yeah, I considered that. All the "workshops" were scheduled for the pre-conference, though. | 23:45 |
| gabrbedd | GAN900: BTW, slides and code are now posted. | 23:46 |
| * gabrbedd continues to ponder improvements to the talk/workshop... | 23:46 | |
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| blauzahl | posted for meegoconf? | 23:48 |
| pespin_ | hi, which version of meego do you recommend for a tablet? | 23:48 |
| thiago_home | 1.2 | 23:48 |
| pespin_ | I mean the flavour :) | 23:48 |
| pespin_ | afaik there are different flavors? | 23:48 |
| thiago_home | the tablet | 23:48 |
| pespin_ | there's no "tablet" in meego.com | 23:49 |
| pespin_ | smart tv? | 23:49 |
| akk | they hide the tablet builds | 23:49 |
| thiago_home | there's a tablet | 23:49 |
| pespin_ | akk, why do they hide them? | 23:49 |
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| thiago_home | not complete yet | 23:49 |
| thiago_home | it's only a snapshot build | 23:50 |
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| pespin_ | so I better user some other flavour? or it's better to use tablet one anyway? | 23:50 |
| thiago_home | I'd say try the tablet one and report issues you find | 23:50 |
| akk | pespin_: No idea. If you click on Releases (from Downloads) you'll see one. | 23:50 |
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| pespin_ | ok | 23:50 |
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| akk | "developer preview" | 23:51 |
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| pespin_ | yep, found it :) | 23:51 |
| pespin_ | it would be great if I could get it as a simple .tar.gz and unzip it in an SD though | 23:52 |
| akk | It's an ISO that you can dd to an SD card or USB drive. | 23:53 |
| akk | You could mount it, then copy the files, if you want files rather than a live/installable image. | 23:54 |
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| delac | can someone paste me the urls of the repositories SDK 1.2 sets up? | 23:58 |
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