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| lcuk | CosmoHill, I thought you would be out drinking this evening | 00:44 |
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| CosmoHill | got back from a friends | 00:50 |
| CosmoHill | playing portal 1 | 00:50 |
| GAN900 | That's so 2007. | 00:53 |
| CosmoHill | I wish people would stop assuming that I do things in logical orders | 00:54 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, for even more fun, try playing original half life | 00:55 |
| CosmoHill | we got portal 2 for PS3 but I've never played portal 1 | 00:56 |
| CosmoHill | I'm not really into games that much | 00:56 |
| * gabrbedd buys new music from 1990 | 00:56 | |
| lcuk | portal is great | 00:56 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, good music is ageless | 00:57 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Well, it's new to me! :-) | 00:57 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, I tried to put a vinyl single into my CD player and it didn't work properly :P | 01:02 |
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| berndhs | lcuk: its the wrong speed, maybe the CD player doesnt support 45x ? | 01:04 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Really?? Hrm. Did it play too fast? | 01:05 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: Darn it! You beat me! | 01:05 |
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| lcuk | lol | 01:06 |
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| npm_netbook | gabrbedd: http://www.cyberstep.com/kdj/ | 01:18 |
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| npm | actually this is the link: http://www.cyberstep.com/kdj/about/features.html -- meego based | 01:23 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: Yeah, I talked to those guys when I saw them at NAMM in January. Nice guys. | 02:04 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: Their build is based on the IVI UX, and they've written a little DAW application that's kind of their main product. | 02:05 |
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| mikhas | gabrbedd, KLF still sells for premium prices around here ... | 02:09 |
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| lcuk | mikhas, that is because the KLF are justified and ancient | 02:10 |
| mikhas | :-D | 02:10 |
| gabrbedd | mikhas: The band? | 02:10 |
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| * lcuk has the white room on cd somewhere | 02:11 | |
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| gabrbedd | hee hee... I've never heard of them before.... | 02:12 |
| * gabrbedd learned to play guitar so he wouldn't have to dance.... or talk to people. | 02:13 | |
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| pixelgeek1 | Ancients of moo moo | 02:14 |
| lcuk | furthermore known as the Jams | 02:14 |
| gabrbedd | I'll add that to my listening list. :-) | 02:16 |
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| pixelgeek1 | I bought a second hand CD last night, looked at the release date of the album - it was 26 years old. | 02:18 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, you have your apps on obs don't you? | 02:27 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: No. I've been too busy fighting window manager bugs to do much community contribution. | 02:32 |
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| lcuk | which bugs? | 02:33 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Also, some of our stuff has to be configured different from "community" stuff. | 02:33 |
| lcuk | and remind me, whats your app? | 02:33 |
| gabrbedd | bug 17002 and bug 17170 have been eating my lunch for a long time. | 02:35 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17002 maj, Undecided, ---, rusty.lynch, NEW, meego-ux-daemon can't manage apps that don't set _NET_WM_PID | 02:35 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17170 maj, Undecided, ---, jketreno, NEW, mcompositor window restacking renders Xlib-style menus useless | 02:35 |
| gabrbedd | Before that, I had a really ugly bug that was either in Qt or the DJ app Mixxx where the OpenGL widget wouldn't render. | 02:35 |
| gabrbedd | I still don't know who's fault. I found a workaround, packaged it, and moved on. | 02:35 |
| lcuk | seems reasonable | 02:36 |
| gabrbedd | Then there's hardware adaptation issues... like backlight controls and whatnot. | 02:36 |
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| gabrbedd | ...etc. | 02:36 |
| gabrbedd | I dunno how things look on DE, but I'm only just starting to see light at the end of the tunnel, and MeeGoConf is, what, 17 days away? | 02:37 |
| lcuk | so is meego the principle platform you test/build app towards? | 02:37 |
| lcuk | or are these bugs pretty much the same on any OS where you test them? | 02:37 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: We're providing a custom version of MeeGo on a device. | 02:37 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: But we also provide several important audio apps that aren't "MeeGo Compliant Apps" | 02:38 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: No, these are specific to MeeGo's window managers. | 02:38 |
| gabrbedd | On a normal window manager, I don't have to deal with those bugs. | 02:38 |
| lcuk | so are these large format devices you are building towards (I see you mention -de) | 02:39 |
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| gabrbedd | E.g. mcompositor and meego-ux-daemon make a lot of assumptions about windows that are true for typical Qt apps, but not X11 apps. | 02:39 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: I meantioned DE so that you could say, "Yeah, It's getting really stable" or "Hrm, it's still rough." | 02:40 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, historically that is the case even for maemo - handling hildon apps was well supported but native x11 was not so much | 02:40 |
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| lcuk | hah, well I was thinking it looked and felt good but this mornings build regressed somewhat with input lag | 02:40 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: This is what we're going to ship http://indamixx.com/indamixx2-tablet.html | 02:40 |
| lcuk | :D | 02:41 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: The problem with those bugs is that if I don't fix them they probably won't be fixed. | 02:42 |
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| lcuk | but by the same tune, those bugs will effect people utilising the same meego core components for other uses | 02:42 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Whereas if it was a Qt-related bug, someone else would be assigned and I can go about my business with the hardware adaptation. | 02:42 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Yes... I don't mind fixing other people's bugs. Really. I do dig it. | 02:42 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: But I'd like a /little/ time to work on my own stuff. :-) | 02:43 |
| lcuk | ok, so you are starting from the handset UX and adapting from there? | 02:43 |
| * lcuk hears that | 02:43 | |
| gabrbedd | Anyway, I'm just bitching. :-) I'm stressed out leading up to the conference. | 02:43 |
| lcuk | understandably so, do the bugs manifest themselves only with your full app running, or do you have small testcases already in place | 02:44 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: That was the original plan. But when the Tablet UX came out and all the motion (*cough*Intel resources*cough*) was in that direction, we went Tablet. | 02:44 |
| lcuk | ok, but even with that, there is still nobody poking at the specific bugs you are encountering for what I guess is a stable mature codebase | 02:45 |
| gabrbedd | And I'm liking some of the other features in Tablet. But it happened just when Handset was getting stable, so it was a little bit of a step back. | 02:45 |
| lcuk | as you say it runs happily on other WMs | 02:45 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Well, I only just recently isolated them and filed the bugs. | 02:45 |
| gabrbedd | And I think for some of them, it's easier to write code and patches than generate a test case. In the case of Mixxx, I couldn't make a test case. | 02:46 |
| lcuk | yes understood, since they are filed as you say only last few days and it is now weekend, it would be good to try and get them triaged/prioritised before and during next weeks meetings | 02:47 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, yes I know | 02:47 |
| lcuk | it was just with the kind of bugs they are | 02:47 |
| gabrbedd | So, is there something I can do to influence the triage process? | 02:47 |
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| gabrbedd | (One advantage to having a customized MeeGo is that I can accept my own patches to different packages :-)) | 02:48 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, in part you are doing it now :) explaining the problem and advertising the bugs in a room of 400 people should start some folks off | 02:48 |
| lcuk | heh | 02:49 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: :-) | 02:49 |
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| lcuk | and gabrbedd check the meetings schedule http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule | 02:49 |
| lcuk | talk to people about the bugs where possible and see who might be able to do pre-verification | 02:49 |
| lcuk | if you are not going to be awake at the time of the meetings (I don't know where you are) then send a mail to the ML or post on the forum perhaps | 02:50 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, have you already done the hardware sourcing process for these devices or are you using standard kit for now whilst handling that aspect? | 02:51 |
| gabrbedd | Yeah, those are pretty late. I'll probably make those meetings this week, though. | 02:52 |
| gabrbedd | We've already decided on the device. | 02:52 |
| lcuk | good stuff | 02:52 |
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| gabrbedd | It actually looks like a big iPhone. | 02:53 |
| lcuk | yeah | 02:53 |
| gabrbedd | Big button on the right (meta key) | 02:54 |
| lcuk | do you boot into the tablet ux then let the user load the app | 02:54 |
| lcuk | or directly into the mixer | 02:54 |
| gabrbedd | Two buttons on the left that I'm config'ing to window switcher buttons. | 02:54 |
| gabrbedd | Directly to tablet ux. | 02:54 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, so historically have you done anything similar to this before? (hardware platform with your software) | 02:55 |
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| gabrbedd | The Indamixx brand is the tablet + os + apps. One of the apps is called "Mixxx", and it's an important app. So, people tend to get the two confused. | 02:55 |
| gabrbedd | Mixxx is an open source project done at mixxx.org | 02:56 |
| * lcuk nods | 02:56 | |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: Yes, we've done http://backstage.musiciansfriend.com/indamixx.4173.brand | 02:57 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, so you do your mixing on the train? :D | 02:57 |
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| gabrbedd | :-) | 02:57 |
| lcuk | sweet stuff | 02:57 |
| gabrbedd | Those are based on ubuntu, and have mostly the same apps. | 02:58 |
| lcuk | how well does mixx handle the touch ui? | 02:58 |
| gabrbedd | We switch to MeeGo because it's about mobile, and touch, and was backed by intel and nokia | 02:58 |
| lcuk | mixxx* | 02:58 |
| gabrbedd | That's been the catch... the apps have to be rewritten for touch :-/ | 02:59 |
| gabrbedd | So we get single-touch left-clicks for free... | 02:59 |
| lcuk | apps always have to be rewritten at some point. | 02:59 |
| gabrbedd | I'm still working on what to do about right-clicks. (Sev. of our apps use right-clicks) | 02:59 |
| gabrbedd | Upstream Mixxx is working on QML skins... but they're not ready for prime time. | 03:00 |
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| lcuk | does the capacitive senstivity cause any UI issues (size of hit points etc) | 03:00 |
| gabrbedd | I think I have to hack meego-ux-daemon or mcompositor to come up with a right-click gesture. | 03:00 |
| gabrbedd | Or do something clever in the apps. | 03:00 |
| gabrbedd | No... since the apps don't declare that they want touch -- they're just getting mouse events. | 03:00 |
| gabrbedd | But even so... our touchscreen doesn't give pressure or diameter | 03:01 |
| lcuk | if the device is true multitouch, you could have a Caps button :) | 03:01 |
| gabrbedd | Caps? | 03:01 |
| lcuk | on the keyboard, when you want capital letters | 03:01 |
| gabrbedd | device is dual-touch. | 03:01 |
| lcuk | in the corner ;) | 03:01 |
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| gabrbedd | Ah, it's a tablet. No keyboard. | 03:01 |
| mikhas | what where? | 03:01 |
| lcuk | I know | 03:01 |
| * gabrbedd grumbles about tablets | 03:02 | |
| * gabrbedd loves that lenovo doo-hickey | 03:02 | |
| * mikhas did not get multitouch to work on MeeGo Tablet UX | 03:02 | |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, a caps UI button which you use with one finger | 03:02 |
| lcuk | then the other finger press is a right click | 03:02 |
| mikhas | it did work on the ideapad half a year ago though ... | 03:02 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: I'm thinking about touching, and then tapping the other finger. When you release it's a right-click. | 03:02 |
| lcuk | multitouch on my ideapad draws hair on people | 03:02 |
| w00t_ | mikhas: works for me on the lenovo (multitouch) | 03:03 |
| gabrbedd | mikhas: What device/UX are you working with? | 03:03 |
| mikhas | wetab/tablet | 03:03 |
| gabrbedd | Right now, the Lenovo works out of the box with MT. | 03:03 |
| mikhas | I know | 03:03 |
| mikhas | but uses netbook UX | 03:04 |
| mikhas | why the heck does MT work on netbook UX but not tablet UX? | 03:04 |
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| lcuk | mikhas, hardware abstraction | 03:04 |
| gabrbedd | mikhas: What is your touch device? | 03:04 |
| lcuk | or whatever it is called | 03:04 |
| mikhas | it seems that the mtev driver is there | 03:04 |
| gabrbedd | mikhas: If the kernel supports MT for your device, it's not enough. | 03:04 |
| mikhas | wetab has a Galaxy whatever thingy | 03:05 |
| gabrbedd | mikhas: you have to have an xorg.conf.d file that tells it to use mtev | 03:05 |
| gabrbedd | erm... tells mtev to manage it. | 03:05 |
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| w00t_ | mikhas: no, I meant that multitouch on the tablet UX works on the lenovo for me | 03:05 |
| gabrbedd | I've had one eGalax/MosArt that I got to do MT (I think). | 03:06 |
| w00t_ | so the problem is not in the UX, but in the hardware adaptation | 03:06 |
| gabrbedd | mikhas: What woot says. | 03:06 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 03:06 |
| lcuk | w00t_, thanks "adaption" | 03:06 |
| gabrbedd | "adaptation" says to me "custom kernels and crap" | 03:06 |
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| gabrbedd | But chances are, he just needs to add a file at /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d | 03:07 |
| mikhas | oki | 03:07 |
| gabrbedd | That's what makes it work with the Lenovo | 03:07 |
| gabrbedd | It's called something like 60-cando-mtev.conf | 03:07 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, lbt was talking about meego vendor processes, have you spoken to him about any of your stuff with him? | 03:09 |
| gabrbedd | mikehas: The trick is to get the device string right. For that, check your xorg lag. | 03:09 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: yeah, a little bit. I'm sticking with this process for now... and will maybe change mid-summer. | 03:10 |
| lcuk | sure thing, just wondered because you are obviously some way along a similar track | 03:11 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: Yeah, I realized the value of a private OBS when I had to go through and rebuild a bunch of large packages because they changed the 'Provides' on libxml2 :-) | 03:12 |
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| gabrbedd | What they did was the Right Thing... but I was thinking... "Oh. Hrpm. Build server." | 03:13 |
| lcuk | yes | 03:13 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, gnite and hope your bugs get prioritised \o | 03:15 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: Thank you *very* much for your advice. | 03:22 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Good night. | 03:22 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, likewise, is good to see a real meego based product :) | 03:23 |
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| araujo | bugs.meego.com down? | 06:12 |
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| gabrbedd | araujo: works for me | 06:15 |
| araujo | gabrbedd, working now for me too ... | 06:15 |
| araujo | thanks | 06:15 |
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| Sage | Is it just me or is the presentation template for sf a bit heavy to be used in OO and Slow Netbook? | 13:27 |
| thiago_home | the one for dublin was really heavy | 13:28 |
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| Sage | Well, this SF doesn't seem very light either at least on my N280 based Atom netbook and OO | 13:28 |
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| lbt | Sage: hey | 13:39 |
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| AndroUser2 | test | 13:40 |
| lbt | Err | 13:40 |
| AndroUser2 | why | 13:40 |
| lbt | Err | 13:40 |
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| phaeron | GPF | 13:41 |
| Sage | lbt: hi | 13:42 |
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| lbt | if you get bored and want to see BOSS "do stuff" then yell :) | 13:43 |
| kyb3R | :) | 13:46 |
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| berndhs | morning | 14:57 |
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| frade | hi, using meego from "latest" repository... | 15:59 |
| frade | the screen of my netbook goes blank after ~40 seconds of keyboard inactivity | 16:00 |
| frade | (mouse activity doesnt count) | 16:00 |
| frade | any clue what could it be? | 16:00 |
| berndhs | i'm seeing the same | 16:00 |
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| Stskeeps | 3 | 16:04 |
| frade | I've added a comment here with all the things i've tried so far | 16:05 |
| frade | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1073 | 16:05 |
| frade | no success, obviously :P | 16:05 |
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| berndhs | i dont think its the screensaver, but that's just a wild guess | 16:07 |
| frade | I cannot find any clue in the logs... | 16:07 |
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| frade | at some point i could produce a similar "off" with xset | 16:08 |
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| mikhas | heya frade | 16:13 |
| mikhas | you are using a forum as a bugtracker? | 16:13 |
| frade | mikhas, hi! | 16:13 |
| mikhas | why not just use tracker right away! | 16:14 |
| frade | mikhas, well, maybe i am just a too idiotic user... | 16:14 |
| frade | mikhas, don't make jokes with this | 16:14 |
| frade | it is very frustrating | 16:14 |
| mikhas | oh yeah | 16:14 |
| frade | My meego computer is my media center | 16:14 |
| frade | i cannot watch movies with the screen going off every minute | 16:14 |
| frade | and if i cannot watch movies, i get nervous :) | 16:14 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:15 |
| berndhs | seriously, if you already have collected logs and data, file a bug | 16:15 |
| * alterego agrees | 16:15 | |
| * mikhas files bug for Ivan: "Cant watch movies!" | 16:16 | |
| * frade hugs mikhas | 16:16 | |
| frade | I was so happy with XBMC on Meego... | 16:16 |
| berndhs | watching movies is probably the most realistic, typical meego end user activity | 16:17 |
| mikhas | the only usecase currently supported I'd say | 16:18 |
| frade | xDDD | 16:18 |
| mikhas | well, not supported any more, I guess | 16:18 |
| frade | xDD | 16:18 |
| frade | actually now it only supports usecases shorter than 1 minute | 16:18 |
| frade | punk-usecases? | 16:18 |
| dm8tbr | it's in the new compliance spec | 16:19 |
| berndhs | advertisements are usually 30 secs, so sounds like its good enough | 16:19 |
| dm8tbr | meego compliant videos can't be longer than 60s | 16:19 |
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| frade | I feel old... i am still looking for a xorg.conf file... | 16:23 |
| frade | It is not trendy anymore? | 16:23 |
| mikhas | well, but honestly I have no idea. are we using mcetool in MeeGo? | 16:23 |
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| frade | mce is there... | 16:26 |
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| frade | how is mcetool supposed to be used? | 16:28 |
| frade | i get warnings of "I cannot connect to daemon" | 16:28 |
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| frade | well, mcetool --blank-screen "reproduces" the problem :) | 16:32 |
| frade | something is probably calling mce? | 16:32 |
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| ojdon | Hello everyone! | 16:32 |
| ojdon | Just wondering if meego.com is down for everyone? | 16:33 |
| berndhs | its not | 16:34 |
| CosmoHill | works for me | 16:34 |
| ojdon | Odd... | 16:34 |
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| mikhas | frade, mcetool has a daemon? never knew that :-) | 16:35 |
| ojdon | I'll give CCleaner a run if not then it'ls probablly an issue with my Uni's proxy. Weird how it suddenly stopped working these past few days yet everything else has been working fine. :S | 16:35 |
| frade | mikhas, well... here is the first clue of activity | 16:36 |
| frade | at least mce sends a signal in dbus saying "display_status_ind = off" | 16:37 |
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| frade | haha there is this error message in the logs from the intel driver... "get vblanck counter failed" | 16:42 |
| ojdon | Hmmm meego.com still isn't working. Getting this error in Chrome: Error 113 (net::ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH): Unknown error | 16:44 |
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| frade | ok, here is the bug report https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17229 | 17:12 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 17229 nor, Undecided, ---, peter.j.zhu, NEW, Screen goes blank after ~40 seconds of keyboard inactivity | 17:12 |
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| j^ | whats the reason for only supporting 800mb ram in pinetrail kernels? | 17:21 |
| j^ | i.e. https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15553 or https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12636 | 17:22 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 15553 nor, Medium, ---, yong.y.wang, NEW, Meego tablet build DOES NOT actually enable HIGHMEM per dmesg: available mem < 1GB for 4GB physical | 17:22 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 12636 nor, Low, ---, arjan, NEW, Netbook kernels being build with NOHIGHMEM=y | 17:22 |
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| lbt | j^: you keep buying more memory in a futile hope that it will speed up your machine... then you buy a faster machine .... ? | 17:35 |
| berndhs | or it is a valiant attempt to stem the tide of memory size bloat | 17:37 |
| j^ | lbt: intel hands out exopcs at appup events with 2gb ram and one can only use 800mb of it | 17:37 |
| lbt | berndhs: *g* | 17:38 |
| w00t_ | best way to get better performing software: force your developers to use machines that are 1/3 the spec you want it to run on *g* | 17:38 |
| lbt | "real performance impact" .... ? | 17:38 |
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| lbt | on #1263 | 17:38 |
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| j^ | http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450 | 17:44 |
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| j^ | if this is a real issue having 2 kernels might be an option | 17:44 |
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| berndhs | x86 backward compatibility strikes again | 17:47 |
| thiago_home | ARM will be there soon | 17:48 |
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| j^ | the real question is, why is it 32bit and not 64bit, pinetrail can run in 64bit mode | 17:49 |
| thiago_home | not all Atoms can do 64-bit | 17:50 |
| thiago_home | also, Arjan was talking about how there were a few things needed doing on 64-bit mode before it's useful | 17:50 |
| thiago_home | don't know what | 17:50 |
| thiago_home | the x32 ABI might be useful too | 17:52 |
| j^ | thiago_home: there are pinetrail atoms without 64-bit mode? | 17:55 |
| thiago_home | there are other atoms without 64-bit | 17:55 |
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| mikeleib | 64bit isn't the answer.. x32 is | 18:03 |
| mikeleib | http://sites.google.com/site/x32abi/ | 18:03 |
| berndhs | depends on what you do with it | 18:04 |
| mikeleib | touche | 18:04 |
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| ojdon | Has only installed Midori on Meego? :S | 18:05 |
| mikeleib | maturity of x32 abi would make things much better in the atom space | 18:05 |
| ojdon | Need to find a browser that works with the Maliit Keyboard. | 18:05 |
| thiago_home | x32 would be able to use full 4 GB of RAM | 18:06 |
| mikeleib | does the maliit keyboard work with the meego ux browser? | 18:06 |
| thiago_home | unlike 3 GB in current 32-bit | 18:06 |
| mikeleib | and would give more registers | 18:06 |
| thiago_home | yup | 18:06 |
| mikeleib | which would enable things like PIC | 18:06 |
| ojdon | I'm using the Netbook version of Meego. | 18:07 |
| mikeleib | and make assembly less awkward | 18:07 |
| ojdon | It comes with Chromium but the return key has issues with it. | 18:07 |
| ojdon | Same with FF4 and Opera 11 doesn't respond to Maliit at all. | 18:07 |
| ojdon | I would try Opera Mobile for Meego but it doesn't support google-talkplugin | 18:07 |
| thiago_home | mikeleib: how is the assembly less awkward? | 18:07 |
| jonnor | ojdon: Opera won't work, they have a custom toolkit | 18:08 |
| ojdon | Ah. | 18:08 |
| mikeleib | IIRC, there are better load/store operations that make things more direct | 18:08 |
| thiago_home | mikeleib: movaps? | 18:08 |
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| jonnor | ojdon: please fix/file the Chromium issue | 18:08 |
| mikeleib | thiago_home: exposes me as a non-x86 asm dood | 18:09 |
| thiago_home | but then you're using SSE registers or the 64-bit registers... | 18:09 |
| jonnor | ojdon: the browser used on the tablet ux is probably the best one wrt to virtual keyboard | 18:09 |
| ojdon | Can I get it for the Netbook version though? | 18:09 |
| jonnor | don't see why not | 18:10 |
| * mikeleib looks at x32 docs again | 18:10 | |
| ojdon | The Tablet version of Meego has issues with Google-talkplugin. It just goes to a white screen when trying to video call someone yet I can hear them perfectly. :S | 18:10 |
| thiago_home | I don't see anything revolutionary in x32 | 18:10 |
| thiago_home | it's just ILP32 long mode | 18:10 |
| jonnor | ojdon: is the chromium + vkb enter issue filed? | 18:10 |
| thiago_home | like ILP32 Itanium and MIPS | 18:11 |
| mikeleib | jup | 18:12 |
| thiago_home | mikeleib: the weird thing is: I don't get why the toolchain would take long to make | 18:12 |
| ojdon | No idea I think Fennec has the same issue looking at the list on here: http://wiki.meego.com/Maliit/Development | 18:12 |
| mikeleib | it's a spare time project between hj and hpa | 18:12 |
| thiago_home | mikeleib: it's the 32-bit compiler. The assembler is basically the same. You just add the new registers to the mix. | 18:12 |
| ojdon | In Chromeium/FF4 it sends a new line (Shift+Return) instead of a plain return action. But stuff like Terminal and gedit work fine :S | 18:13 |
| mikeleib | different cost structure for gcc to issue insns | 18:13 |
| mikeleib | I don't think much in the way of asm changes should be needed | 18:13 |
| jonnor | ojdon: that has to do with hardware keyboard | 18:14 |
| mikeleib | I'm not sure why, but glibc changes are required.. possibly for ptrace/debug support??? | 18:14 |
| * mikeleib actually is most familiar with arm isa | 18:14 | |
| thiago_home | well, if it has inline assembly, it needs adjusting | 18:14 |
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| ojdon | Oh my mistake. | 18:14 |
| thiago_home | like Qt too | 18:14 |
| mikeleib | ohyah.. string operations are inline | 18:14 |
| mikeleib | libgcc | 18:14 |
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| thiago_home | yup | 18:14 |
| thiago_home | icc does that too :-) | 18:15 |
| mikeleib | afaik, it's common | 18:15 |
| thiago_home | as it should be | 18:17 |
| thiago_home | it's one of the most trivial operations | 18:17 |
| thiago_home | so much so that writing a for loop is sometimes faster than memcpy | 18:17 |
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| thiago_home | anyway, it requires a new #define for the architecture, since code with asm cannot assume it's using 64-bit pointers nor can it use instructions non-existant in long mode | 18:18 |
| thiago_home | who knows, someone may still be using BCD... | 18:19 |
| ojdon | jonnor: Going to try and submit a bug report. | 18:19 |
| mikhas | ojdon, am only aware of https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15035 | 18:19 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 15035 cri, High, ---, michael, NEW, Enter button on hardware keyboard does not work in Fennec. | 18:19 |
| mikhas | damn, why is it still assigned to me :-D | 18:19 |
| * thiago_home found a very good chocolate | 18:23 | |
| thiago_home | and fortunately, I bought it in Munich, which is exactly where I'm connecting to SF two weeks from now | 18:24 |
| berndhs | Munich -> SF should be a fun flight, if you are less than 1.6m tall | 18:25 |
| * mikeleib checks his HIO->SJC flight status | 18:25 | |
| thiago_home | berndhs: it's the A340-600 with stairs | 18:26 |
| mikeleib | :( still #6 on the waitlist | 18:26 |
| berndhs | A340 are slower, right ? | 18:26 |
| ojdon | jonnor: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17230 - Done. No idea if that's right, I've never been successful with submitting bugs. | 18:27 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 17230 maj, Undecided, ---, x2rich, NEW, Maliit problem in Chrome/FireFox 4 | 18:27 |
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| thiago_home | A340 are quite fast | 18:27 |
| thiago_home | I remember it once did SFO-MUC in 10:30 hours instead of 11:30 | 18:28 |
| berndhs | i thought there were about 100km/h slower than A330 or B7x7 | 18:28 |
| mikhas | ojdon, you get bonus points for using the word "Maliit" ;-) | 18:28 |
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| berndhs | but wind speed is significant, so you never know | 18:29 |
| ojdon | That's the name of it isn't it? D: | 18:29 |
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| mikhas | sure | 18:29 |
| thiago_home | wikipedia says it's about the same speed as A330 | 18:29 |
| thiago_home | and it has 100% more engines | 18:29 |
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| ojdon | Thought I was going crazy for a second then... | 18:30 |
| berndhs | more engines jsut cause more drag :) | 18:30 |
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| GAN900 | Most commercial liners do about the same speed. | 18:30 |
| GAN900 | Jetstreams are where you gain (or lose) big time | 18:30 |
| thiago_home | speed hasn't improved much in the past 20 years | 18:30 |
| thiago_home | range has | 18:31 |
| berndhs | and leg room is still plenty for really short people | 18:31 |
| thiago_home | yeah | 18:32 |
| thiago_home | unless you get an upgrade | 18:32 |
| * thiago_home crosses his fingers | 18:32 | |
| thiago_home | unlikely on an M-class ticket... | 18:32 |
| * mikeleib hopes for shuttle slot to open up | 18:32 | |
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| mikeleib | flying commercial is teh sux | 18:32 |
| GAN900 | Sonic barriers are fun. | 18:33 |
| berndhs | meego should just get a retired Air Force-1, circle the planet for continuous meetings | 18:34 |
| berndhs | pick up people every other day | 18:34 |
| thiago_home | just make the conference on a ship | 18:34 |
| berndhs | yes more leg room on ships, and better kitchen | 18:35 |
| * mikeleib recalls geekcruises, which appears defunct | 18:36 | |
| ojdon | jonnor: You mentioned eailer that the Tablet Browser can be installed on the Netbook version? How? | 18:37 |
| jonnor | ojdon: I don't know how. But I do not see why it would not be possible. Try getting the packages first. | 18:38 |
| ojdon | Ah ok. I'll have to find them then somewhere. Thanks :) | 18:39 |
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| mikeleib | zypper in meego-app-browser | 18:39 |
| ojdon | Oh. I'll try that | 18:39 |
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| ojdon | Does anyone know where the Tablet repo is so I can add it to my Netbook version install? | 18:46 |
| mikeleib | it's in Trunk | 18:46 |
| mikeleib | are you running Trunk of 1.1 ? | 18:46 |
| mikeleib | it's more properly called meego-ux and tablet is one spin of it | 18:47 |
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| ojdon | Oh right. Erm, I'm running Meego 1.1, no idea what the "Trunk" is. :S | 18:48 |
| ojdon | Oh wait | 18:48 |
| ojdon | Think I've found it | 18:48 |
| ojdon | Ah | 18:48 |
| ojdon | Hang on think I'm sorted let me test it first. | 18:48 |
| ojdon | http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/meego-ux/Trunk/ that's right? | 18:49 |
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| ojdon | Got it all sorted. Installing now :) thanks!! | 18:55 |
| dm8tbr | http://www.metawatch.org/development.html - this looks interesting! | 18:58 |
| dm8tbr | it's doing SPP and claims to be an open protocol! | 18:58 |
| berndhs | isnt there some TI hardware for that ? | 18:59 |
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| dm8tbr | the blurb said something about TI being involved, yes | 19:00 |
| berndhs | combine this type of thing with retina projection display ... | 19:00 |
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| berndhs | I'm wondering how you could use this as a sensor or input device | 19:06 |
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| dm8tbr | berndhs: indeed if you can get e.g. the output from the accelerometer | 19:26 |
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| berndhs | cd | 19:37 |
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| berndhs | wrong window | 19:37 |
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| lbt | An alternative to werewolf: http://blog.ksplice.com/2011/05/improving-your-social-life-with-git/ | 21:03 |
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| raininja | can someone tell me the default root password? | 22:34 |
| raininja | is it "meego?" | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | meego | 22:35 |
| raininja | hmm, my bad, it is the same as the users' password :) | 22:37 |
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| Alan1234 | Stskeeps: I wonder how many of us use "meego" as password on MeeGo :D | 23:29 |
| adeus | everyone? :) | 23:29 |
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| Alan1234 | Maybe I should change it to "GoMee" | 23:30 |
| Alan1234 | be more affirmative and positive | 23:30 |
| CosmoHill | it's only on the live images | 23:31 |
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| pixelgeek | MeeToo | 23:33 |
| CosmoHill | ToMeToU if you like the chuckle brothers | 23:33 |
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| Alan1234 | CosmoHill: is it? I deliberately set it as meego for lack of a better idea | 23:37 |
| Alan1234 | I seem to have borked networking | 23:38 |
| CosmoHill | ah I actually misread what you said, I thought you said "it" not "i" | 23:38 |
| CosmoHill | yeah, MeeGo is the default password for MeeGo :) | 23:38 |
| Alan1234 | not sure what it is. I'm sure I did't flick the hardware wifi key and even if I did wired should still work | 23:39 |
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| Alan1234 | wondering if my messing about with a Live USB version of Ubuntu could possibly have messed up networking? | 23:39 |
| Alan1234 | figuring out what went wrong is on my TODO list for this evening | 23:39 |
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| Alan1234 | otherwise I'll just wipe the machine and wait for MeeGo 1.2 | 23:40 |
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