| toninikkanen | it may have come with a windows license but not installed.... mine came with a ancient meego installed on it | 00:00 |
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| serio____ | yeah it doe got the license sticker on the back but another had woindows up on his and he said he booted into it at boot | 00:01 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: my aunty did that with my laptop | 00:01 |
| CosmoHill | wasn't very pleased that solitaire was missing | 00:01 |
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| gabrbedd | Serio__: so... have you tried the "BSS" or the the [Tab] thing yet? | 00:01 |
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| toninikkanen | i'd guess these machines left the factory with windows preinstalled, and intel replaced it with meego on most of them, but some singular machines weren't upgraded with meego due to lack of time or accidentally | 00:02 |
| serio____ | yeah and it gave me a menu with a timer but after timed out it goes to shel what do i type at shll | 00:02 |
| berndhs | CosmoHill: get your aunty started on nethack | 00:02 |
| akk | I got a menu when I tapped "BSS". I don't know how one types [Tab] on a device with no keyboard. | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | put in a usb keyboard..? | 00:03 |
| akk | (I don't care actually care about Windows, but now you have me curious) | 00:03 |
| serio____ | yeah i got usb keyboard | 00:03 |
| gabrbedd | Serio__: Then you tabbed a moment too early. | 00:03 |
| CosmoHill | it's possibl | 00:03 |
| serio____ | it does have bugs from factory | 00:03 |
| * gabrbedd doesn't do windows | 00:03 | |
| toninikkanen | the bios menu on that device is fun, it almost supports touch screen use, sort of :) | 00:04 |
| CosmoHill | possible that Intel just wanted to get development devices into the hands of developers | 00:04 |
| CosmoHill | with it being up to the developers to install meego | 00:04 |
| akk | It has meego on it, at least mine does. | 00:05 |
| serio____ | cosmo thats right but even when mounting the usb it does bring up gui or once it did from dl on site ten an error | 00:05 |
| akk | Pretty buggy, but hey, it's an alpha release and a development machine, no complaints. | 00:05 |
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| serio____ | can the sdk be used on the ltablet or does it have to be used on a lap toop for dev | 00:06 |
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| DawnFoster | when we (Intel) buy them, they've been coming preinstalled with windows (at least they were a month or so ago) | 00:06 |
| DawnFoster | ExoPC, I mean | 00:06 |
| DawnFoster | usually, we wipe them and install MeeGo | 00:07 |
| serio____ | thats the one i got df exopc | 00:07 |
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| serio____ | so where is the window7 | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | potentially wiped then | 00:08 |
| serio____ | maby a mixed batch? | 00:08 |
| CosmoHill | I think the key word was usually | 00:09 |
| CosmoHill | if I've got a load of computers to reconfigure it's possible for one to two to get missed | 00:09 |
| gabrbedd | Serio__: Boot meego, open a terminal. Then do 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda' | 00:09 |
| thiago_home | depends if the people installing where drinking beer while waiting for the installation to finish :-) | 00:09 |
| CosmoHill | *you've | 00:09 |
| serio____ | when i do a fdisk -l it only says ext linux but im thinkink that if im in linux it wmay not post ntfs? | 00:09 |
| thiago_home | pick up laptop, insert USB stick, boot, sip beer, power off | 00:09 |
| gabrbedd | Serio__: it'll show you all the partitions on your hard drive. | 00:09 |
| thiago_home | s/laptop/tablet/ | 00:09 |
| infobot | thiago_home meant: pick up tablet, insert USB stick, boot, sip beer, power off | 00:09 |
| CosmoHill | thiago_home: just wake up surrouned by beer cans and meego tablets... | 00:09 |
| DawnFoster | and that's just what my team at Intel does - others might be different | 00:10 |
| thiago_home | pick up tablet, insert USB stick, sip beer, power off | 00:10 |
| thiago_home | see? | 00:10 |
| thiago_home | :) | 00:10 |
| gabrbedd | Serio__: If fdisk doesn't show any non-linux partitions... then you have no non-linux partitions. | 00:10 |
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| serio____ | df question do i run the sdk on the tab or on my laptop to dev apps? | 00:11 |
| akk | Darnit, now that I know this thing can take a USB keyboard I might have to buy one of those cute mini keyboards. | 00:11 |
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| gabrbedd | Serio__: fdisk understands windows partitions just fine. | 00:11 |
| akk | I always look at them and think "so cute, too bad I don't have a practical use for one." | 00:11 |
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| CosmoHill | akk: tablets? yeah I have the same attitude | 00:11 |
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| gabrbedd | akk: I'm not sure how you would dev meego on a device without having a USB keyboard. | 00:11 |
| akk | gabrbedd: I found that I could ssh in (after I pinged a bunch of addresses to find its IP address). | 00:12 |
| CosmoHill | I need a full size keyboard, heck, even oh phones I like my T9 keypads | 00:12 |
| gabrbedd | akk: As for a mini keyboard... all I can say is... F12 comes in handy a lot. :-) | 00:12 |
| akk | What does F12 do on meego? | 00:12 |
| * CosmoHill looks at his F16 key | 00:12 | |
| berndhs | how much are USB keyboard these days ? $8 or so ? | 00:13 |
| gabrbedd | akk: I know, I do all that, too. Still, keyboard cuts through a lot of crap. | 00:13 |
| serio____ | all I got the usb keyboard hooked up now and the virtual is blocking my words lol | 00:13 |
| gabrbedd | F12 comes in handy esp. with trying to get into some bioses. | 00:13 |
| CosmoHill | I read that as biscuits | 00:13 |
| CosmoHill | berndhs: if you want crap | 00:13 |
| akk | Ah ... I probably won't be doing much bios development. :) | 00:13 |
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| CosmoHill | you should get Das Keyboard Ultimate, it's completely blank | 00:13 |
| thiago_home | imagine how you'd feel if your BIOS told you: Press F13 to continue. | 00:14 |
| serio____ | how do you disable the virtual keyboard on this meego tablet? | 00:14 |
| gabrbedd | akk: Well, I've had to play with a lot of different tablets, and to boot to USB some BIOSes require that you press F12 | 00:14 |
| CosmoHill | thiago_home: my compute goes "Keyboard not detected: Press F12 to continue" | 00:14 |
| akk | haha | 00:14 |
| thiago_home | CosmoHill: oh yeah, those are the best ones | 00:15 |
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| CosmoHill | then I installed Win7 SP1 and it's not booted since :( | 00:15 |
| CosmoHill | the worst is when there is a keyboard and your poking F12 violently | 00:15 |
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| serio____ | how can i disable this v keyboard? im using usb now | 00:16 |
| lcuk | serio____, tech support answer: reboot. | 00:16 |
| CosmoHill | if someone finds out how it can be added to the FAQ :) | 00:16 |
| serio____ | aiiight lc | 00:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | no, he lives in a VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER! | 00:16 |
| gabrbedd | Serio__: There's a process running called meegi-im-uiserver or something like that. | 00:16 |
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| TSCHAKeee | :P :) | 00:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | oh crap wrong window | 00:16 |
| gabrbedd | If you kill that process, the keyboard will stop bothering you. | 00:17 |
| CosmoHill | TSCHAKeee: if that's true then he'd of drowned last month | 00:17 |
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| akk | ah, I wondered what that uiserver process was. That's just the soft keyboard? | 00:19 |
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| serio____ | question when boot screen shows up; then it says 'efi' so then i go to the efi it give an option for startup then times out then has 'shell'. anyone know what next? im trying to detect a Windows partition on this tab, i ran fdisk, it didnt say ntfs format, but it did say pat1 over runs to another or no end to part1 | 00:23 |
| gabrbedd | Serio__: pastebin your fstab results, and someone here can tell you for sure. | 00:24 |
| gabrbedd | Serio__: Doh... I mean fdisk | 00:24 |
| serio____ | i suppose this tab does not have windows and that my friend got lucky with his cuz we got them free yesterday at intel conf | 00:24 |
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| akk | I'm guessing the one you saw was an earlier one that explicitly came with windows. Some people yesterday already had tablets they brought. | 00:26 |
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| toninikkanen | hah, found a "About my Nxx" screen on exopc | 00:32 |
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| gabrbedd | toninikkanen: :-) | 00:33 |
| toninikkanen | also a phone settings screen | 00:34 |
| toninikkanen | both empty | 00:34 |
| toninikkanen | maybe this device is really a phone, i'll try some sidetalking just in case | 00:34 |
| DawnFoster | w00t_ just convinced me to add an informal show & tell demo space in the hacker lounge at the conference on Monday at 8:30pm: http://sf2011.meego.com/program | 00:34 |
| w00t_ | \o/ | 00:34 |
| DawnFoster | if you have something cool that you want to bring & show off, that's your chance :) | 00:35 |
| * w00t_ and special will have something fun to show off | 00:35 | |
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| w00t_ | DawnFoster: might it be worth sending a quick mail to meego-(?)@ to let the geeky masses know? | 00:36 |
| DawnFoster | excellent idea! | 00:36 |
| gabrbedd | w00t_: it's not nice to make fun of people's weight. :-p | 00:36 |
| DawnFoster | I think I'll send something out on Monday | 00:37 |
| DawnFoster | I want to finish writing a blog post with other conference updates & maybe I'll send them all out as one update | 00:37 |
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| * gabrbedd was referring to "geeky masses" -- since his jokes typically fall dead to the ground. | 00:37 | |
| w00t_ | :-) | 00:37 |
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| special | gabrbedd: for what it's worth, it took me a minute, but I laughed :p | 00:38 |
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| w00t_ | oh god | 00:38 |
| w00t_ | (I just got it) | 00:38 |
| DawnFoster | gabrbedd: I got it the first time, but you feeling the need to explain it was even funnier that the original joke ;) | 00:40 |
| w00t_ | lol | 00:40 |
| gabrbedd | special: DawnFoster :-) | 00:41 |
| akk | At least it wasn't a religious joke. | 00:41 |
| akk | (geeky masses, har) | 00:42 |
| gabrbedd | akk: hahaha... i like that | 00:43 |
| gabrbedd | DawnFoster: Well, this channel has revealed that most of my jokes are English language puns or draw from American Culture... so more often than not, they go misunderstood here. :-) | 00:43 |
| * lbt liked the tautology akk .... | 00:44 | |
| DawnFoster | gabrbedd: yeah, this wasn't the first time I've seen you explain them :) | 00:44 |
| DawnFoster | I'm often lurking here more frequently than people realize | 00:45 |
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| * lbt has a special Dawn-indicator | 00:45 | |
| lcuk | isn't that called the sun? | 00:45 |
| * gabrbedd is trying to withhold them -- but they still slip out... | 00:46 | |
| DawnFoster | I feel special :) | 00:46 |
| lcuk | does w00t_ know? | 00:46 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: ha! | 00:46 |
| special | :< | 00:46 |
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| w00t_ | rofl | 00:47 |
| * lcuk slides beers over | 00:47 | |
| serio__ | back on line....so any dev in the irc | 00:47 |
| w00t_ | friday night's a good night for fun times on irc | 00:47 |
| serio__ | do i run sdk on tablet hooked to laptop to dev/ | 00:47 |
| serio__ | i want to develop apps for the meego sbut yeah just starting so i need to know about the sdk set up | 00:49 |
| gabrbedd | serio__: There is more than one way to do it. Personally, I usually SSH into the machine and use X11-forwarding. | 00:49 |
| lcuk | sdk is normally on the main pc | 00:49 |
| gabrbedd | serio__: I also use emacs and am a command line junkie... so YMMV | 00:50 |
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| serio__ | lc im trying to figure otu if i need to dl the sdk on the tablet or on the laptop | 00:50 |
| akk | gabrbedd: Whew, I'm glad to hear there are meego devs who use emacs and not just the ide. | 00:50 |
| gabrbedd | serio__: I think others will develop on their main system/laptop using the virtual SDK's, and then deploy to the device for further testing. | 00:50 |
| * lcuk builds on device usually | 00:51 | |
| serio__ | gbedd, thats what one was tellin me to use it as a vt any other thousghts on the set up? | 00:51 |
| lcuk | though the qt creator ide does let you see how apps will look on symbian too :D | 00:51 |
| gabrbedd | akk: :-) Though QtCreator is very tempting these days. | 00:52 |
| gabrbedd | serio__: If you mean a VT directly on the device... no, I don't mean that. But I suppose that's an option. | 00:53 |
| lbt | akk: gabrbedd: don't suppose you use org mode? | 00:54 |
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| serio__ | i mean no one wants to dev on a vitual key board but im usin usb but what im saying is basically if i must put the sdk on to the laptop thenrun tablet as a vt | 00:54 |
| gabrbedd | serio__: I mean logging into the machine remotely via ssh (like remote desktop, but no GUI) | 00:54 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: Haven't heard of it... what is it? | 00:54 |
| lbt | :O | 00:54 |
| akk | lbt: No, read about it but haven't tried it. | 00:54 |
| lbt | http://orgmode.org/ | 00:55 |
| lbt | it's like... | 00:55 |
| lbt | epiphany | 00:55 |
| akk | I'm not sure I'm organized enough to use org mode. :) | 00:55 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: sweet, I'll be checking that out for sure. | 00:55 |
| lbt | yeah.... I'm trying | 00:55 |
| * gabrbedd has been using custom XML stuff | 00:56 | |
| lbt | it's self-discipline | 00:56 |
| lbt | but it's *so* sweet | 00:56 |
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| lbt | all-text... but structured and parseable | 00:56 |
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| akk | I do lists like that sometimes, but just with "return space space star space" :) | 00:56 |
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| lbt | yep ... it lets you do that | 00:57 |
| lbt | but then it does hiding and branch movements and ... | 00:57 |
| gabrbedd | serio__: Then you're saying the same as me. | 00:57 |
| lbt | and then you add dates and TODO flag | 00:57 |
| lbt | and ... | 00:57 |
| gabrbedd | serio__: And you can put the SDK on both. | 00:57 |
| lbt | anyhow... the answer is "not yet" ... nm | 00:57 |
| gabrbedd | serio__: Some people put it on the tablet and compile there (which is the easiest way to get started). | 00:58 |
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| akk | So, speaking of developing directly on the device, is there an emacs for meego yet? Or a full-featured vim? | 00:58 |
| lbt | yep | 00:59 |
| lbt | emacs is in core | 00:59 |
| lbt | which is insane | 00:59 |
| lbt | but there you go | 00:59 |
| akk | excellent! | 00:59 |
| akk | In the built-in terminal, or does it have its own window? | 00:59 |
| lbt | I wonder if it's built for n900... | 00:59 |
| lbt | honestly don't know | 00:59 |
| gabrbedd | akk: emacs and emacs-el have always been there (for x86 at least) | 01:00 |
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| lbt | I use tramp | 01:00 |
| gabrbedd | akk: Yes, its gooey. | 01:00 |
| gabrbedd | (GUI) | 01:00 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: ^^ | 01:00 |
| akk | Great -- I want to do some python hacking, and it'll be great to be able to make small changes locally. | 01:01 |
| gabrbedd | lbt: eh... I've found that nobody gets that one. I always have to explain it. | 01:01 |
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| akk | I thought gooey was fairly obvious. | 01:02 |
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| gabrbedd | akk: :-) We should go get a beer some time. | 01:03 |
| lbt | phaeron: boss-participant-prechecks ... seems to not be updated on MINT:Testing ? | 01:03 |
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| lbt | phaeron: wake up ... it's only 1am there... | 01:03 |
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| thiago_home | where are you flying to? | 01:13 |
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| phaeron | lbt: *yawn* which precheck do you want, I didn't update the package with the latest ones yet | 01:22 |
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| npm | does the lenovo s10-3t have gigabit ethernet? (says it does)... anybody getting it to run at gigabit rate on meego? (mine runs at 100Mbms) | 01:24 |
| lbt | phaeron: I was just going to setup the new names and start on the DE process | 01:24 |
| * gabrbedd only has a 100Mbps router | 01:24 | |
| CosmoHill | gabrbedd: I've been looking at a TP-Link router with GbE and 300Mb/s wifi | 01:25 |
| gabrbedd | npm: so... dunno. | 01:25 |
| CosmoHill | ah, misread, ignore me | 01:25 |
| phaeron | lbt: what names ? | 01:26 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/BOSS/Participants | 01:26 |
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| phaeron | ok sec | 01:29 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: now we've moved to OSU is the forum/email bridge actively back on the TODO list ? | 01:31 |
| DawnFoster | lbt we should probably take another look at it | 01:31 |
| DawnFoster | but I'm guessing we have other higher priorities right now | 01:32 |
| lbt | thanks | 01:32 |
| DawnFoster | maybe after the conference | 01:32 |
| lbt | well, I feel that we already have 3 different communities | 01:32 |
| lbt | mail/irc/forum | 01:32 |
| lbt | and it's hard to bridge them | 01:32 |
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| lcuk | 4 | 01:33 |
| lcuk | office | 01:33 |
| lbt | eg I don't think our community OBS development work is present in the forums | 01:33 |
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| lbt | but I agree that it's not likely to be adressed pre-SF :) | 01:33 |
| lbt | lcuk: true | 01:34 |
| lcuk | forum is easier to solve - who else knows obs enough to writeup a forum posting which informs and encourages debate? | 01:34 |
| DawnFoster | yeah and with everyone distracted by release + conference I don't even want to *think* about this until April :) | 01:34 |
| thiago_home | we're in April | 01:34 |
| * lbt looks at calendar... | 01:34 | |
| lcuk | pssst it is april 29 | 01:34 |
| DawnFoster | oops - I meant June | 01:35 |
| DawnFoster | dang multi-tasking | 01:35 |
| lbt | well - maybe put it on the CO page again? | 01:35 |
| DawnFoster | and it's not quite late enough here for a stiff drink :) | 01:35 |
| lbt | mmm | 01:35 |
| lbt | Drambuie | 01:35 |
| lcuk | mmm | 01:36 |
| lcuk | Galliano | 01:37 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, if it was late enough, what would you have? | 01:37 |
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| DawnFoster | well, I'm going to happy hour in an hour or so and plan to have a gin & tonic | 01:39 |
| DawnFoster | the gin is made right at the pub | 01:39 |
| DawnFoster | and it's delicious | 01:40 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 01:40 |
| lbt | sabotage: ping | 01:44 |
| sabotage | huh, wha? | 01:44 |
| lbt | sabotage: can you talk to X-Fade about scratch? Would love to get it into Apps | 01:44 |
| sabotage | ok | 01:44 |
| lbt | I've been holding onto your SR until we can do something | 01:44 |
| * sabotage logs into public OBS for first time in months | 01:45 | |
| lbt | *g* | 01:45 |
| sabotage | -ENOSR | 01:45 |
| auke | sabotage: tssssss disappointing | 01:45 |
| sabotage | meh... day job blah blah... | 01:46 |
| sabotage | ;) | 01:46 |
| lbt | sabotage: c.obs | 01:46 |
| lbt | the real one ;) | 01:46 |
| sabotage | huh? | 01:46 |
| auke | sabotage: with trunk brancing atm, why bother checking OBS today? lol | 01:46 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=scratch&project=home%3Asabotage | 01:47 |
| sabotage | lbt: sure, but what is c.obs? | 01:47 |
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| lbt | community obs | 01:47 |
| auke | community obs? | 01:47 |
| CosmoHill | cobs | 01:48 |
| sabotage | == build.pub, no? | 01:48 |
| lbt | correct | 01:48 |
| CosmoHill | oui | 01:48 |
| auke | exactement | 01:48 |
| lbt | you should just have had an SR decline | 01:48 |
| sabotage | ok.. we're on the same page then... I wasn't speaking about build.meego... that I'm on daily (sadly) | 01:48 |
| sabotage | X-Fade: ping | 01:49 |
| sabotage | X-Fade: lbt says I need to talk to you about SR'ing stratch | 01:49 |
| sabotage | lbt: do I really need to talk to him though... looks like Apps exists, so I should just SR to it now, right? | 01:50 |
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| lbt | sabotage: we're working on automating the process - so it'll be automatically verified and accepted | 01:53 |
| lbt | so I'm not sure what target he wants the SR to | 01:53 |
| sabotage | bod | 01:54 |
| sabotage | er | 01:54 |
| sabotage | nod | 01:54 |
| lbt | (eg in Nokia we did an SR to Trunk ... the automation then branched to testing and did loads of image builds... if all was well it accepted to Trunk) | 01:54 |
| w00t_ | lbt: you forgot the 'in theory' bit | 01:55 |
| phaeron | lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/154 | 01:55 |
| w00t_ | ;) | 01:55 |
| lbt | w00t_: no theory - this was production | 01:56 |
| lbt | it's miles ahead of MeeGo core :) | 01:56 |
| * w00t_ remembers a few cases where things still didn't go to plan | 01:57 | |
| lbt | AFAIK the automation there is "send an email" | 01:57 |
| lbt | w00t_: oh sure... we were still ramping up | 01:57 |
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| lbt | but we handled a *lot* of SR->image->test->accept cycles | 01:58 |
| lbt | the fact that no-one wrote any test cases wasn't our issue | 01:58 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 01:58 |
| lbt | nor was the fact that the test system was hardcoded to return "pass" | 01:58 |
| lcuk | apt moment: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/TDriver/Getting_Started/Tutorial_for_test_creation | 01:59 |
| w00t_ | I had test cases | 01:59 |
| w00t_ | almost | 01:59 |
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| lbt | almost | 01:59 |
| lbt | indeed | 01:59 |
| w00t_ | they just didn't work outside of Harmattan at the time | 01:59 |
| lbt | lcuk: mmm | 01:59 |
| w00t_ | close enough... | 01:59 |
| w00t_ | :P | 01:59 |
| * lcuk likes the tdriver stuff :) | 01:59 | |
| phaeron | actually we ran all the available test cases , just that at that time testrunner-lite had a nice bug where it didn't know about dbus address or Xsession or Display | 01:59 |
| * w00t_ heads back to QML | 02:00 | |
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| phaeron | so all of the tests were .. moot point | 02:00 |
| lcuk | I think the first time I ran testrunner stuff, I made a testcase for testrunner | 02:00 |
| lbt | phaeron: lcuk do we need OTS for this? | 02:01 |
| phaeron | OTS is being used in meego core I learnt | 02:01 |
| lcuk | lbt, for the tdriver stuff? | 02:01 |
| lbt | lcuk: yes | 02:01 |
| lcuk | I thought this was in use also | 02:01 |
| lbt | lcuk: DE | 02:01 |
| lcuk | it is how we get the qa reports afterall | 02:01 |
| phaeron | lcuk: how do the images break so much then | 02:02 |
| lbt | yeah but doesn't OTS run against real HW ? | 02:02 |
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| lcuk | I don't know lbt | 02:02 |
| phaeron | hell there were points in time when the meego images wouldn't even _build_ | 02:03 |
| lcuk | shall have to ask timoph or one of the numerous #meego-qa guys when they are around | 02:03 |
| lbt | and I *thought* I heard OTS was being NIH'ed | 02:03 |
| lbt | auke: you may know this... is OTS still being developed ? | 02:04 |
| lcuk | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-quality-assurance/ots | 02:05 |
| lcuk | april 29th being in the commit log would indicate, yes | 02:05 |
| auke | OTS? | 02:05 |
| lbt | lcuk: I'm more thinking post-nokia investment | 02:06 |
| lbt | auke: the automated test system | 02:06 |
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| lbt | but since you ask you clearly won't know :) | 02:06 |
| lcuk | qa is driven by Digia | 02:06 |
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| * lcuk thought anyway | 02:07 | |
| auke | lbt: I no QA guru am | 02:07 |
| lbt | lcuk: yes ... I *thought* I heard investment was dropped for it. I could be wrong | 02:07 |
| lbt | auke: fingers... pies... you... | 02:07 |
| auke | I'll take the pies | 02:09 |
| * lcuk hopes pies are not like doors | 02:09 | |
| lbt | phaeron: did you update the changelog in that SR ? | 02:09 |
| phaeron | which changelog , the debian yes | 02:11 |
| lbt | ta .. not used to reading the SR diff. | 02:11 |
| lbt | phaeron: we need better python interface to the wi... | 02:17 |
| phaeron | probably yes | 02:18 |
| lbt | before we write too many participants | 02:18 |
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| lbt | ok bed .... o/ | 02:19 |
| phaeron | ciao | 02:19 |
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| gecko | hello, i'm sitting at a exopc with meego teblat ux | 02:35 |
| gecko | and i think its an old version since ther kernal is from february | 02:36 |
| gecko | now i want to update the system and downloaded an image from 26th of april | 02:36 |
| gecko | how can i install it? | 02:37 |
| auke | usb stick - boot from it | 02:37 |
| gecko | i've put it on the pendrive and selected the pendrive in the BBS screeen | 02:37 |
| auke | also, check the wiki for general documentation | 02:37 |
| auke | on how to put images on usb sticks etc. | 02:37 |
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| * auke is afk - weekend | 02:38 | |
| gecko | in the installation instructions it sais i have to make the image bootable, but i don't know how to do this | 02:38 |
| gecko | can you tell me an exact page for mor information | 02:38 |
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| lcuk | gecko, | 02:40 |
| lcuk | from this page https://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook get "Image Writer" tool, I use it to create usb images for various machines | 02:41 |
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| lcuk | and making it bootable beyond that is normally only a matter of the target computer disk boot order | 02:41 |
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| gecko | is it for linnux or windows? | 02:41 |
| lcuk | linux | 02:42 |
| lcuk | but there are actually windows instructions on that page | 02:42 |
| lcuk | afaik, those are pretty much standard for any usb key installation | 02:42 |
| gecko | is it ok to put the image as file on the drivwe or do i have to write the content to the usb drive? | 02:42 |
| lcuk | you have to write the contents | 02:42 |
| lcuk | otherwise, the computer will see a FAT data disk | 02:43 |
| gecko | ah nok, so i can also do it with dd? | 02:43 |
| lcuk | instead of a bootable one | 02:43 |
| lcuk | yes | 02:43 |
| lcuk | the page lists the various things | 02:43 |
| gecko | thx | 02:43 |
| lcuk | \o | 02:43 |
| gecko | ok i will clock on the link now, i don't know if it will quit this web irc client in the meego browser | 02:44 |
| gecko | or if this tab will still run in background | 02:44 |
| lcuk | right clock on the link if you like ;) | 02:44 |
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| gecko | i longpressed on the link | 02:45 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.blueandblond.com/archives/page.305.html | 02:57 |
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| white_gecko | i have downloaded the image from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/ and wrote it to a pendrive with dd bs=4096 if=<image file> of=<usb drive> | 04:38 |
| white_gecko | but when i start the tablet and blick on BBS and select the pendrive i have to wait a verly long time and than finally i think the old version starts | 04:39 |
| white_gecko | how can i find out, which version i'm running? | 04:39 |
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| gabrbedd | white_gecko: (1) the name of the image file has the version number (which is 1.1.99.4.20110426.4 at the moment) | 04:44 |
| gabrbedd | white_gecko: (2) you can do `cat /etc/meego-release` from inside meego. | 04:45 |
| gabrbedd | white_gecko: However, /etc/meego-release is not always very accurate during development cycles... but is reliable after major releases. | 04:45 |
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| akk | white_gecko: Downloaded the image and I'm seeing pretty much the same thing. It''s sitting there with the ISOLINUX line and nothing beyond there (so far). | 05:34 |
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| akk | white_gecko: over 10 min sitting at the ISOLINUX prompt ... I don't think it's going anywhere. | 05:40 |
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| gabrbedd | akk: no, if it stalls at the ISOLINUX prompt... it's stalled. It usually means it couldn't find the kernel or config file or something. | 05:46 |
| akk | Maybe the image is bad, or it downloaded wrong or something. | 05:47 |
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| white_gecko | i've checked the md5sum so it shouldn't be a download problem | 06:26 |
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| npm | anybody else know of programs using hunspell(1) for spellcheck (chromium?): https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16879 | 07:50 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 16879 maj, Undecided, ---, peter.j.zhu, NEW, hunspell dumps core with default english dictionary, and is installed with no default dictionary | 07:51 |
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| Serio__ | wat up | 08:30 |
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| Serio__ | what do you think of the tablet that intel gives ou for free | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | well, it is technically a loner | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | loaner | 08:32 |
| Serio__ | true but a keeper...... | 08:32 |
| Serio__ | anyway some got win 7 some dont | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, and in here only talk that's relevant is when you run on meego on it :) | 08:33 |
| Serio__ | true i really dont care for windows | 08:33 |
| Serio__ | bt4 | 08:34 |
| * dm8tbr is more concerned with the fact that qml failed at such a simple task like: application that makes noise when button pressed | 08:34 | |
| dm8tbr | aka a 'fart app' | 08:34 |
| Serio__ | Intel is interested in developers for it | 08:34 |
| Serio__ | im sure there can b money | 08:34 |
| dm8tbr | (qt mobility would allow for sound but you can't get that for _any_ sdk without compiling it yourself. waaaaay to go) | 08:34 |
| dm8tbr | there was money | 08:35 |
| Serio__ | and/?? | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: odd that it's not there, is part of meego api | 08:35 |
| dm8tbr | every app-up submission that was nodded off till yesterday gets 500 buckaroos | 08:35 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: there are even qt bugs about it | 08:35 |
| Serio__ | still money but 350,000 to compete | 08:35 |
| Serio__ | apps that is | 08:35 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTSDK-419 (and a second that was later duped) | 08:36 |
| Serio__ | iphon3 350k | 08:36 |
| * dm8tbr loves the part where someone tells nokia not to pull a microsoft | 08:36 | |
| Serio__ | anyone developing apps here? | 08:36 |
| Serio__ | on the tablet? | 08:37 |
| akk | I will be, but I've been futzing around trying to figure out how to install python | 08:37 |
| akk | and concluding that it's not really a solution for app development, unless all your users don't mind compiling the qt bindings themselves before running your app | 08:37 |
| Serio__ | u run the command line akk? | 08:37 |
| akk | On linux, generally yes. | 08:37 |
| dm8tbr | pyqt or whatever they call it right now is packaged for quite many distros though | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | pyside? | 08:38 |
| akk | python-qt is dead easy for linux. But I thought we were talking about meego. | 08:38 |
| Serio__ | so, is Intel that deep in the appl....excuse me app game already with this | 08:39 |
| akk | The pyside tutorials I've found all seem to start with "here's how to build the latest pyside on your meego netbook, which btw will take 2-3 hours" | 08:39 |
| akk | which makes me think users may balk at this. | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:40 |
| dm8tbr | akk: someone™ should build a package on obs then | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | there's packages now, though | 08:40 |
| Serio__ | how much popularity do u think this will draw from the population? Meego>apps>=$? | 08:40 |
| dm8tbr | Serio__: 1.21 jiggobucks | 08:41 |
| Serio__ | w3ll cuz if we dev then i hope so but i do believe alot of $ cuz meego is in some auto manufactors uless they pulled it | 08:42 |
| Serio__ | Meego does have big corps sposoring it | 08:43 |
| dm8tbr | Serio__: ok, if you 'wantz anzw3rz' please use english. ktx | 08:43 |
| Serio__ | wal-mart, best buy etc....d8 0|( | 08:44 |
| Serio__ | lol | 08:44 |
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| Serio__ | so yeah it will be cool to develop for them because alot of there apps will probally go mainsteam default app in there products | 08:46 |
| Serio__ | to compete with apple though... | 08:46 |
| Serio__ | They do have backers in the u.k. | 08:47 |
| Serio__ | and all over so Intel with meego are thinking big.... | 08:47 |
| Serio__ | anyone else thinking of dev for meego? | 08:48 |
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| Bostik | well, LG just announced they'll ship a product soon with meego on it | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | [citation needed] | 08:49 |
| Bostik | http://www.bgr.com/2011/04/29/lg-to-display-meego-prototype-devices-in-may/ | 08:49 |
| Bostik | right, there's the [#] | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | right, the tabloid media | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 08:49 |
| Bostik | well true, until the actual device is shown around | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=997301&postcount=2 | 08:50 |
| Bostik | ah | 08:51 |
| Bostik | I stand corrected | 08:51 |
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| iekku | hi | 10:46 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:46 |
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| lbt | hey Jaffa | 11:54 |
| Myrtti | hmh | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | morn jaffa | 11:55 |
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| mikhas | pvanhoof, what went wrong? Why is libqttracker In the MeeGo 1.2 compliance spec but not QSparql? | 12:19 |
| mikhas | no one's going to like to have to use the former ... | 12:19 |
| mikhas | and QSparql has QML support | 12:20 |
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| Stskeeps | if something looks awry even with the architectual changes, comment it | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | i caught a issue with mesa-libEGL | 12:25 |
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| xpo | Hey there | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 12:54 |
| xpo | I'm looking for French meeps interested in coming at Solution Linux in Paris | 12:57 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: what was that collaborative thing we used ages ago to work on a doc ? | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | etherpad? | 13:05 |
| lbt | sounds right | 13:05 |
| lbt | ta | 13:05 |
| dm8tbr | :) | 13:05 |
| * lbt thinks it would make a nice plugin to the wiki editor | 13:06 | |
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| Jaffa | lbt: http://www.ietherpad.com/ is a public site | 13:11 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: I would like to go to http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition/BOSS click 'edit' and go to an etherpad with the text in it | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | "start collaborative session"? | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:16 |
| lbt | yep | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | could be a cool plugin | 13:16 |
| dm8tbr | yes, what Stskeeps says | 13:16 |
| lbt | *nod* | 13:16 |
| lbt | shouldn't be massively hard either... | 13:16 |
| dm8tbr | it isn't thaaat hard to do it manually either | 13:16 |
| lbt | well - I've had a few annoying collisions :) | 13:17 |
| lbt | with team members especially | 13:17 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: I meant: 1) open for editing 2)copy all 3) insert to etherpad 4) edit 5) paste back ... x) profit | 13:18 |
| lbt | sure | 13:18 |
| dm8tbr | ofc it would be nice if you could do 1-3 with one click | 13:19 |
| * lbt --> coffee and a think | 13:19 | |
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| phaeron | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_editor_support#How_to_set_up_specific_editors_for_Wikipedia_editing | 13:54 |
| phaeron | so external editor plugin for browser , then use gobby or gedit (with collaborative) or etherpad etc .. | 13:56 |
| lbt | yeah, but that's client-side driven | 13:59 |
| lbt | (I use https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/its-all-text/ FWIW) | 14:00 |
| phaeron | yeah that was mentioned there | 14:00 |
| phaeron | you want server side collab. editor ? | 14:00 |
| lbt | yes | 14:01 |
| lbt | server-side aware .... | 14:01 |
| lbt | essentially click collab-edit and it either starts or joins a collab session | 14:01 |
| phaeron | well if the url throws editors at the same edit session | 14:02 |
| lbt | yep | 14:02 |
| lbt | but ... low prio :) | 14:03 |
| phaeron | use permanent google doc link | 14:04 |
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| phaeron | if that's possible | 14:04 |
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| lbt | the issue is that the server would have to send the text to the etherpad if it wasn't running or redirect when it was. Then it would need to restore when the session was "over" | 14:06 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: about? | 14:41 |
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| gabrbedd | Anybody know how to adjust brightness on the MeeGo UX? | 14:49 |
| lbt | use a torch ? | 14:49 |
| lcuk | zypper in eyelids | 14:50 |
| * gabrbedd coughs | 14:50 | |
| gabrbedd | Anybody know how to adjust brightness of the backlight for the display within the MeeGo UX's interface? | 14:51 |
| gabrbedd | :-p | 14:51 |
| arfoll | fn keys should work | 14:51 |
| lcuk | lbt, lol | 14:51 |
| lcuk | -lbt | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: file a FEA# | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 14:51 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, Fn + pgup/pgdn or something on the ideapad | 14:51 |
| gabrbedd | It's a tablet... I'm using a USB keyboard. | 14:52 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: so it sounds like the answer is... "you can't" right? :-) | 14:52 |
| lcuk | on the netbook build, isn't there a control doofer for that? | 14:53 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Yes. Yes, there is. | 14:53 |
| lcuk | ie hopefully it is just a frontend gui bit | 14:53 |
| * lcuk ponders where rm_you is ;) | 14:53 | |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Yes, I'm sure that it is. But past experience with the MeeGo UX devs... someone has a Very Strong Opinion on why the user should never even have to know that the backlight should be adjusted. "It should just work" | 14:54 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 14:55 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: rm_you ? | 14:55 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, if they had a strong opinion, they would use the phrase "it does just work" | 14:55 |
| lcuk | and will have tried to account for such things | 14:56 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, on the maemo devices rm_you was a dev who wrote the backlight control widgetry | 14:56 |
| lcuk | along with jott afaik | 14:57 |
| lcuk | then on the n900, qwerty released a variation | 14:57 |
| gabrbedd | AH. | 14:57 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: And yes, they've swayed me with their opinion a couple of times. | 14:58 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, follow Stskeeps' advice and check/file a FEA# for it | 15:00 |
| * lcuk wrote a brightness setting widget once | 15:00 | |
| lcuk | I never wired it up to the backend though | 15:00 |
| * lcuk knows it is usable and pretty tho | 15:00 | |
| lcuk | gabrbedd: http://liqbase.net/liq.20081102_235650.gary.scr.png | 15:01 |
| lcuk | I heard from so many people who some like granuality and others like defined steps | 15:01 |
| lcuk | and that little thing elegantly allows best of both :) | 15:02 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 15:03 |
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| * gabrbedd proudly presents Bug # 16882 | 15:20 | |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16882 nor, Undecided, ---, rusty.lynch, NEW, There is no way to adjust the backlight in MeeGo UX | 15:20 |
| gabrbedd | would have done a FEA, but MeeGo UX doesn't have any section in FEA. | 15:21 |
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| dm8tbr | gabrbedd: noticed that too, would make sense to have that, kind of... | 15:24 |
| gabrbedd | I think it's a bug, anyway. I don't know how you could ever automatically do that and get it right. | 15:25 |
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| dima | hi | 16:04 |
| gabrbedd | dima: h1 | 16:08 |
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| berndhs | H2, the future of fuel in trucking | 16:09 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: They've been saying that for years. I quit paying attention -- what's the latest on fuel cells? | 16:12 |
| berndhs | trucks will just burn it instead of diesel | 16:12 |
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| berndhs | diesel -> natural gas -> H2 | 16:12 |
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| gabrbedd | berndhs: Do they liquify it or something? | 16:14 |
| berndhs | i dont know, I'm just making this up now :) | 16:14 |
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| berndhs | big heavy tanks are not an issue with trucks | 16:14 |
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| berndhs | the natural gas part is Pickens | 16:14 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: :-p | 16:15 |
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| dm8tbr | until the first accident where such a thing goes kabloey | 16:15 |
| berndhs | H2 is no worse than gasoline | 16:15 |
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| berndhs | or nat gas | 16:15 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: I think trucks you LPNG, where the L is "liquified" | 16:15 |
| gabrbedd | And did you know that home heating oil is almost exactly identical to diesel? | 16:16 |
| berndhs | i think so too, but those are still pressuriyed tanks | 16:16 |
| gabrbedd | (Except that it's not taxed as hard) | 16:16 |
| berndhs | not almost :) | 16:16 |
| gabrbedd | Thus it's illegal to run it in your vehicle. | 16:16 |
| gabrbedd | ...at least, in the US. | 16:17 |
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| berndhs | in some jurisdictions they color the home heating oil, thats the only difference | 16:17 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: I thought it was the diesel that was colored... but IDK. :-) | 16:17 |
| berndhs | they color the cheap stuff so they can find it in the tanks of the taxed things | 16:18 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: BTW, you're in hockey-land, right? | 16:19 |
| berndhs | yes unfortunately :) | 16:19 |
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| gabrbedd | unfortunately? | 16:19 |
| berndhs | i dont like really want to be here | 16:20 |
| berndhs | no opportunity, weather sucks | 16:20 |
| berndhs | hockey is good though :) | 16:21 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: Yeah, I feel that way about Dallas :-p | 16:21 |
| berndhs | oh there is probably more opportunity in Dallas than in Canada | 16:21 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: depends on the industry. | 16:22 |
| berndhs | yes | 16:23 |
| berndhs | oil is good in Canada | 16:23 |
| berndhs | maybe aero is ok too, not sure | 16:23 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: But I've got a buddy in (I think) Northern Ontario who says that FT PERM web-dev job opportunities are... none. | 16:23 |
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| berndhs | very likely true | 16:24 |
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| gabrbedd | berndhs: He sticks around because his wife's family is around there... but whenever he wants to quit, he has to suck it up. | 16:25 |
| berndhs | mostly Canadian attitude is to aim for being mediocre | 16:25 |
| gabrbedd | No fun... but family > career. | 16:25 |
| berndhs | historically I think, 2nd fiddle to UK, 2nd to US | 16:25 |
| berndhs | I came back here for family reasons, now its hard to get out | 16:26 |
| gabrbedd | I saw a Canadian TV awards show once... and it was really annoying at how often they played the "no respect" card (WRT US media) | 16:26 |
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| berndhs | yes, many define themselves as being not-americans | 16:27 |
| RST38h | Ah! Canada bashing! =) | 16:27 |
| gabrbedd | I was thinking, "You guys are really talented... do you /really/ need to keep this US-gives-us-no-respect chip on your shoulder?" | 16:27 |
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| berndhs | hey, I can bash Canada, I'm Canadian :) | 16:27 |
| RST38h | Does US give them any respect? | 16:28 |
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| berndhs | US doesnt respect anybody, so whats the difference | 16:28 |
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| RST38h | berndhs: Wouldn't guess otherwise! | 16:28 |
| gabrbedd | RST38h: Why should it matter? | 16:28 |
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| RST38h | gabrbedd:Dunno,does not matter much to me | 16:28 |
| gabrbedd | That's the point. :-) | 16:28 |
| RST38h | gabrbedd: But someone, somewhere obviously finds it importantenough | 16:28 |
| berndhs | it hurts canadians to think that way | 16:29 |
| gabrbedd | I think it's just an excuse. A way to hedge. | 16:30 |
| berndhs | like I said defining yourself in terms of sombody else is not good | 16:30 |
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| berndhs | left-over colonian thinking probably | 16:31 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: And that reminds me of something thiago said yesterday, that MeeGo can't win by trying to be Android or iOS or whatever | 16:31 |
| berndhs | colonial even | 16:31 |
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| berndhs | yes i woudl agree with thiago there | 16:31 |
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| gabrbedd | zypper install 'pkgconfig(xext)' | 16:38 |
| gabrbedd | I just love that you can do that... I don't know of anything in apt that'll do that. | 16:38 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 16:38 |
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| GAN900 | Mmm . . . hockey is good right now even in Florida. :P | 16:45 |
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| RST38h | Can't win on its own too =) | 16:49 |
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| serio__ | goodmornin fellow meegos | 17:06 |
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| serio__ | does anyone know how to start internet from the command line in meego bcuz i googled it and it only said about phones it seems | 17:08 |
| serio__ | i tried dhclient and it did launch but did not bind | 17:08 |
| serio__ | dhclient wlan0 | 17:09 |
| serio__ | thats with wpa_supplicant | 17:09 |
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| serio__ | does meego use diff source than ubuntu? | 17:09 |
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| serio__ | what up friend ids | 17:16 |
| gabrbedd | serio__: Install connman-test | 17:16 |
| gabrbedd | serio__: ...and muck around with the scripts in /usr/lib/connman/test/ | 17:17 |
| serio__ | ok thanks, i was looking for the interface config file like in ubuntu the lo inet loopback etc... | 17:18 |
| serio__ | in order to add the wlan0 inet dhcp | 17:18 |
| gabrbedd | serio__: Nope, sorry. Nothing like that here. | 17:19 |
| serio__ | that is how i connect in ubuntu by a script | 17:19 |
| gabrbedd | serio__: But once you set it up with connman with these things... it'll generally work automatically from then on. | 17:19 |
| gabrbedd | connman remember. | 17:19 |
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| serio__ | that i wrote but yeah so alright. | 17:20 |
| idontsleep | sounds good | 17:20 |
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| * lcuk returns from local barber shop with exceedingly well done haircut and eard trimmed and edged | 18:00 | |
| lcuk | b^ | 18:00 |
| alterego | :) | 18:02 |
| alterego | I think I'm just going to push my qml commit now | 18:02 |
| alterego | Even if there are some rather weird bugs | 18:02 |
| alterego | lcuk: wanna test it? :) | 18:03 |
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| GAN900 | alterego, it sends $10 to your PayPal every run? | 18:10 |
| alterego | No, that's one of the bugs :( | 18:10 |
| alterego | I'll have to add that feature in later. | 18:10 |
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| lcuk | lardman, \o | 18:16 |
| lardman | hi lcuk, how's things? | 18:17 |
| lcuk | lighter :) | 18:17 |
| * lcuk had several tonnes of extra weight lifted from his head | 18:17 | |
| lardman | well that sounds good, why though? | 18:17 |
| lcuk | because my hair was starting to resemble a mountain yak | 18:18 |
| lardman | well.... | 18:18 |
| lardman | it's cold oop north so i hear ;) | 18:18 |
| lcuk | sun is shining | 18:19 |
| lardman | :) | 18:19 |
| lcuk | was out in just a tshirt :P | 18:19 |
| lardman | same here actually, was expecting rain | 18:19 |
| lcuk | it is not that cold | 18:19 |
| lcuk | still trying to work out where we can put the barometer up on the wall | 18:19 |
| lardman | just a generic southerner vs northerner comment, don't worry :) | 18:19 |
| lardman | (where noth is anything above the M4) ;) | 18:20 |
| lardman | north even | 18:20 |
| lcuk | heh | 18:20 |
| * lardman tries to find a map source | 18:20 | |
| lcuk | for you anything north is technically north of the equator isn't it? :P | 18:20 |
| lardman | not for the M4 mind you | 18:20 |
| lcuk | how is Holly? | 18:20 |
| lardman | well I suppose so :) | 18:20 |
| lardman | she's fine, we're expecting (I think I told you that a while back) | 18:21 |
| lcuk | Tracy is too | 18:21 |
| lardman | yep I remember you saying | 18:21 |
| lcuk | how far along is Holly? | 18:21 |
| lardman | hmm, due mid Aug, so I'll have to do the maths to work that one out | 18:22 |
| lcuk | we just got the cot made up the other day | 18:23 |
| lcuk | and went to take it upstairs | 18:23 |
| lcuk | before getting stuck half way up the stairs | 18:23 |
| lardman | lol | 18:23 |
| lcuk | took combined effort of all of us to dismantle it and reassemble once it got through the door :P | 18:23 |
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| lardman | we need to move first, which means finding something to buy or to rent, no pressure! | 18:24 |
| lcuk | indeed difficult | 18:24 |
| * lcuk would ideally be in a bigger house | 18:24 | |
| lardman | 2 bed flat for us atm, so not ideal | 18:24 |
| lcuk | yeah that isn't so bad for you :P | 18:25 |
| alterego | Okay, commited my first working qml dialer :) | 18:25 |
| lcuk | this is 3rd kid i nthe house ;) | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: \o/ | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: url? | 18:25 |
| alterego | And sent intros to meego-dev and -handset | 18:25 |
| lardman | lcuk: we have some catching up to do then! | 18:25 |
| alterego | https://meego.gitorious.org/~tswindell/meego-handset-ux/qml-meego-handset-dialer | 18:26 |
| lardman | ah, the commander has just told me we're heading out to meet people in the pub, dare I disobey... no :) | 18:26 |
| alterego | Or check your inbox :P | 18:26 |
| lcuk | beers lardman, beers. | 18:26 |
| lardman | mmmm | 18:26 |
| lcuk | alterego, :D:D:D:D | 18:26 |
| lardman | I'll drink one for you lcuk | 18:26 |
| lardman | cu all later! | 18:26 |
| lcuk | roger \o | 18:26 |
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| alterego | I guess I should figure out how to build it on community obs now | 18:27 |
| alterego | So, I create a .yaml file right? | 18:27 |
| alterego | Then what do I do with that? :) | 18:27 |
| lcuk | alterego, I was not aware you needed a yaml? | 18:28 |
| lcuk | I thought spec was required though | 18:28 |
| timoph | spec works too | 18:28 |
| alterego | I thought you used the .yaml to generate the .spec | 18:28 |
| lcuk | hi timoph \o | 18:28 |
| timoph | o/ lcuk | 18:28 |
| alterego | What's the easiest way :) | 18:29 |
| timoph | I'm using specs | 18:29 |
| timoph | dunno if it's easier | 18:29 |
| alterego | So, I just need .spec and my .tar.bz2 | 18:29 |
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| timoph | haven't bothered to learn the yaml stuff | 18:29 |
| timoph | yep | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | i like the yaml stuff, makes my daily life easier | 18:30 |
| timoph | spec + source tar ball | 18:30 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: is it spectacle that generates the spec from the yaml? | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | 'specify' | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | and then you do some misc adjustments to spec | 18:30 |
| * timoph is trying hildon (cordia) in exopc | 18:31 | |
| lcuk | speaking of cordia, I need a drink! | 18:31 |
| lcuk | timoph, I guess it is working well? | 18:31 |
| dm8tbr | timoph: oh that sounds interesting | 18:31 |
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| timoph | made the mistake of taking a tablet image as the starting point | 18:32 |
| lcuk | why a mistake? | 18:32 |
| mikeleib | alterego: spiffy | 18:33 |
| timoph | doesn't seem to work as well | 18:33 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: under "Files:" can I have a directory? | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: sure | 18:33 |
| alterego | Like "- "%{_datadir}/meego-handset-dialer" | 18:33 |
| timoph | after changing the session to hildon. meego-ux-daemon is in a hildon window :) | 18:33 |
| alterego | Ignore the first double quote ;) | 18:33 |
| alterego | m'kay | 18:33 |
| timoph | screen lock goes behind everything and can't be interacted with | 18:33 |
| mikeleib | alterego: the entries under Files: are just turned into %files in a the specfile | 18:34 |
| mikeleib | first rule of YAML- rip off someone else's | 18:34 |
| alterego | I am, I'm ripping off the current dialer one :D | 18:35 |
| mikeleib | excellent | 18:35 |
| timoph | :) | 18:35 |
| mikeleib | for example of subpackages in package, see: meego-ux-settings, for example | 18:35 |
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| Stskeeps | alterego: screenshots? | 18:40 |
| alterego | I'll upload some in a couple of minutes. | 18:40 |
| alterego | Okay, so I've got a local obs chroot, a .yaml file, how can I test it builds from sources correctly? | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | osc build it? | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | just submit it to obs, like i do, when i'm lazy :P | 18:41 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:41 |
| mikeleib | osc build fails for me on such a regular basis that I revert to abusing obs to building on server most of the time | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | --clean is nice | 18:43 |
| alterego | "is not an osc project dir or working copy" | 18:43 |
| mikeleib | --clean can bail you out of a wedge.. Or it demonstrate that your wedge is incurable | 18:43 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:44 |
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| alterego | okay, so a ci, then a build, I getcha :D | 18:50 |
| timoph | dm8tbr: just realized that I forgot to ask you to move MeeGoBot from #meego-qa-tools to #meego-qa | 18:58 |
| timoph | (we stopped using -qa-tools) | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok, what the hell at meego-community@ mail | 19:01 |
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| timoph | ? | 19:03 |
| thp | alterego: any screenshots of the new qml dialer ui? | 19:04 |
| alterego | thp: working on them now :P | 19:04 |
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| alterego | Damnit, they're gonna have to wait as my N900 just died :) | 19:12 |
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| dm8tbr | timoph: will do that later. ping me again if he doesn't magically appear in a day | 19:12 |
| timoph | dm8tbr: ack | 19:13 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, gotta be the preamble to a 411 scam | 19:29 |
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| momesana | Hi | 19:30 |
| momesana | How can I change the brightness of my tablet? | 19:30 |
| momesana | Is there a way to do that or do I have to write a app to do it manipulating /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/actual_brightness ? | 19:31 |
| alterego | N900 usb port has just come lose | 19:32 |
| alterego | I now can't get on the internet .. | 19:32 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, you made me open my work mail :) | 19:32 |
| alterego | (on my laptop) | 19:32 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, and need to agree with you, what the .... | 19:33 |
| alterego | And I don't want to send it off for repair, because I know they'll just send me an f'ing N8 | 19:33 |
| jonnor | momesana: look in Qt Mobility, it might have API for that | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: at least you have two n900's | 19:33 |
| RST38h | no small do-it-all shops? | 19:33 |
| momesana | jonnor: alright | 19:33 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: yes, at least I can keep a charged batter using the other one. Still .. | 19:33 |
| alterego | I think I'll relegate old broken N900 to meego dev, using adhoc wifi | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: which one broke, btw? the new or old? | 19:34 |
| alterego | And use the newer one for primary | 19:34 |
| alterego | old one thank god :) | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | and do you have uboot on it? | 19:34 |
| momesana | jonnor: I can query it but not change it, it seems: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2.0-beta1/qsystemdisplayinfo.html#displayBrightness | 19:34 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: yeah, got uboot on both | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: ah, perfect developer device then | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:35 |
| jonnor | momesana: there might be a service for it | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: no AP at home? | 19:37 |
| momesana | jonnor: hm, a service? Can you elaborate on that? | 19:37 |
| momesana | jonnor: All I know is Qt | 19:37 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: nope :/ | 19:37 |
| momesana | jonnor: so is the service stuff specific to MeeGo? | 19:37 |
| jonnor | momesana: Qt Mobility is a framework that is mostly for giving you access to system services | 19:38 |
| jonnor | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2.0-beta1/qtserviceframework.html | 19:38 |
| jonnor | is the generic service module | 19:38 |
| momesana | Sweet. Thanks | 19:38 |
| jonnor | multimedia collection api, contacts, location, messaging, network, connectivity are some of the speific service APIs | 19:39 |
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| jonnor | momesana: I don't know that there is a service for display brigthness, I just suspect that there is | 19:40 |
| alterego | sysfs :) | 19:41 |
| momesana | jonnor: I assume there isn't ... from what I've read so far | 19:42 |
| momesana | jonnor: but that ain't too bad ... I'll implement a small Qt app that does this for now ... and I hope the next version provides one | 19:43 |
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| akk | To develop apps for an ExoPC, do I want to set a mad-admin target of handset or netbook? (or core?) | 19:48 |
| akk | None of the docs seem to talk about tablets. | 19:48 |
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| Stskeeps | akk: core, prolly | 19:57 |
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| dm8tbr | timoph: done | 20:06 |
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| lcuk | random question to chip/sensor people: is there such a thing as a digital barometer? | 22:20 |
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| thiago_home | it's probably easy to do one | 22:22 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: yes. | 22:22 |
| berndhs | or you could take a digital photograph of a barometer | 22:22 |
| lbt | altimeter's use them AFAIK | 22:22 |
| RST38h | lcuk: you can find these in some timex watches (fancy ones), some radio scanners (together with a few other env sensors), and I think some android phones too | 22:23 |
| akk | My Garmin GPS has a barometer in it (but not all do). | 22:23 |
| * TSCHAKeee has some 1-wire barometers | 22:23 | |
| akk | I saw an Android phone with a barometer last weekend, but apparently very few of them have one. | 22:23 |
| akk | actually tablet, not phone | 22:24 |
| lcuk | thanks \o | 22:24 |
| akk | I bet adafruit or sparkfun sell them | 22:24 |
| akk | TSCHAKeee: Does meego come with drivers for 1-wire? (I know they exist in the linux kernel source.) | 22:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | no. | 22:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | but you can fold in owfs | 22:25 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: A friend has a tablet barometer. He hangs his just inside the door. | 22:40 |
| gabrbedd | (not really :-p) | 22:40 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Whete did you decide to hang yours? And is your Hg? | 22:41 |
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| lcuk | it is still up here, looking for a suitable place | 22:41 |
| lcuk | Hg? | 22:41 |
| lcuk | you mean the twitter post from before? that is a paraglider | 22:42 |
| berndhs | you want to keep long term records ? | 22:42 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, I have every sketch I have ever drawn since my n810, is that a good enough answer? | 22:43 |
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| berndhs | it allows to make a wild guess :) | 22:43 |
| * lcuk should actually put them together in a folder and see how far the graffiti wall spans :P | 22:43 | |
| berndhs | i download a weather sat pic every 2 hours, keep them in a database | 22:43 |
| lcuk | I used to do that too | 22:43 |
| berndhs | i dont actually do anything with it | 22:44 |
| lcuk | started at school | 22:44 |
| berndhs | make nice movies though | 22:44 |
| lcuk | they had a sat dish on the roof | 22:44 |
| lcuk | so downloads came direct, no internet | 22:44 |
| lcuk | on an archimedes I think | 22:44 |
| berndhs | NOAA and canadian weather service let you download stuff, i dont know about europeans | 22:45 |
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| lcuk | when I was in school there wasn't much in the way of internets | 22:45 |
| berndhs | i was on the internet before it existed :) | 22:46 |
| lcuk | I think the first WAN connection I saw was on JANET in college | 22:46 |
| lcuk | (I think it is JANET anyway) | 22:46 |
| TSCHAKeee | JANET was on the ARPANET | 22:46 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: I was referring to T's tweet, which I thought was about the barameter. | 22:47 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: and Hg == Mercury. Is your barometer a mercurial barometer? | 22:47 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, possibly was, I can't seem to make twitter show me just the tweets from a subset of folks | 22:47 |
| berndhs | about that tweet, I dont think it makes much difference if you keep long term data | 22:47 |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, ahh not sure it has been sitting under our bed for a long time | 22:48 |
| lcuk | we only got it out when sorting through stuff | 22:48 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Well, an Hg barometer is a tube of glass turned up-side down to create a vacuum at the top. At the bottom is a pool of Hg with holes to allow air to get through. | 22:49 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: So, if you found it under your bed... it's probably not. :-) | 22:49 |
| gabrbedd | Oh, and they're usually about 1m long (760 mmHg == 1atm) | 22:50 |
| lcuk | I guess that one answers your question then :P | 22:50 |
| berndhs | i always want to keep records, but im too lazy to write it down every morning | 22:50 |
| lcuk | do it in irc :D | 22:51 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, :O @ Dr Who | 22:52 |
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| * CosmoHill wishes his family wouldn't buy cool games when he has so much work to do | 22:53 | |
| * alterego tries to figure out how to get his N900 connected to adhoc wifi | 22:55 | |
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| mikeleib | connman doesn't support adhoc | 22:56 |
| * TSCHAKeee depressed, a LinuxMCE developer died two days ago, and I just got the news. | 22:56 | |
| mikeleib | :( | 22:57 |
| alterego | Yes, that's why I'm trying to figure it out | 22:57 |
| * CosmoHill hugs TSCHAKeee | 22:57 | |
| TSCHAKeee | thanks. | 22:57 |
| mikeleib | you'll have to kill connman and use iwconfig or the like directly.. also send patch to connman | 22:57 |
| gabrbedd | TSCHAKeee: :-( | 22:58 |
| berndhs | I'm sorry to hear that TSCHAKeee | 22:58 |
| lcuk | :( TSCHAKeee | 22:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | he was an Apache helicopter pilot. helicopter crashed while he was training a student. | 22:58 |
| mikeleib | zowy | 22:59 |
| * mikeleib is now saddened as well | 22:59 | |
| TSCHAKeee | and he had just finished his military service with the Dutch Air Force...just finished it. | 23:00 |
| * TSCHAKeee goes back to coding. | 23:00 | |
| * CosmoHill hugs mikeleib and TSCHAKeee again | 23:00 | |
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| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, what protocol does a linuxmce remote control need? are there already remote control apps that work from symbian on it? | 23:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: we have a mobile orbiter for Symbian Series 60 v1/v2 and one for v3. | 23:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: it is a specific protocol for talking to the bluetooth dongle that we call BD. | 23:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: it operates over bluetooth RFCOMM, with the phone as the server, and the nearest media director as the client. | 23:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | as for anything else, Orbiter talks DCE to the DCE router. | 23:04 |
| alterego | Annoyingly I can't set the wifi adapter to ad-hoc :/ | 23:04 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, nice (sounds complex though!) | 23:04 |
| lcuk | alterego, nope | 23:04 |
| lcuk | bug 440 | 23:04 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440 enh, Low, ---, sameo, ASSI, Unable to support ad-hoc mode for WiFi | 23:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: it is... it was designed so that mobile phones would automatically change depending on what room they were in. | 23:04 |
| alterego | Then how the hell do I connect to an adhoc network? | 23:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | the protocol works, as long as the bluetooth clouds do not overlap | 23:04 |
| alterego | Someone said they had this working .. | 23:04 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, I keep pondering an alarm clock | 23:04 |
| lcuk | that once you set it, all BT devices in the room ring | 23:04 |
| lcuk | at that time without each needign to be set | 23:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: interesting. linuxmce has timed events...and I use my joggler as a bed side orbiter. | 23:05 |
| lcuk | because everytime I go to hotel I end up setting so many things just to make sure I get up | 23:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | my alarm turns on my lights, and the TV. | 23:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | *nod* | 23:05 |
| CosmoHill | mine is a 20 year old guy | 23:06 |
| * CosmoHill goes looking for the undo button | 23:06 | |
| alterego | Great .. | 23:06 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:06 |
| lcuk | alterego, ad-hoc wifi *does* work | 23:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | bluetooth is a wonderful protocol, but jesus christ it's a headache, and it's slow | 23:06 |
| lcuk | lardman runs his galaxy tab in meego with it | 23:06 |
| mikeleib | ??? | 23:07 |
| CosmoHill | to finish what I started: he rings or texts me and that wakes me up | 23:07 |
| lcuk | but connman does not | 23:07 |
| alterego | lcuk: I can't get it to work | 23:07 |
| lcuk | console | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | you probably do need to do it manually | 23:07 |
| lcuk | yes Stskeeps | 23:07 |
| alterego | It says "set failed on blag" | 23:07 |
| lcuk | the connman developer said it is relatively simple to implement | 23:07 |
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| lcuk | but the pause seems to be for WiFi Direct | 23:07 |
| alterego | "set failed on device wlan0" when I'm trying to set it to adhoc mode. | 23:07 |
| lcuk | which is secured version | 23:07 |
| lcuk | read this for info on my travels with wifi ad-hoc stuff: | 23:09 |
| lcuk | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12686#c3 | 23:09 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 12686 enh, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, RESO REJECTED, [FEA] Wifi Ad-hoc Missing from ConnMan | 23:09 |
| lcuk | I saw some movement on one of the related wifi direct bugs | 23:09 |
| lcuk | so hopefully that will be fixed :) | 23:09 |
| lcuk | soon | 23:10 |
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| mikeleib | there are people working on wifi direct | 23:18 |
| * gabrbedd is having to remember how to do a DKMS driver... and again appreciating the TSG/ArchBoard decision to discourage out-of-tree drivers. | 23:18 | |
| mikeleib | I don't know if that will make adhoc work, but I do know one of the guys doing direct | 23:18 |
| mikeleib | I suspect that a conv on the connman list or channel might be helpful | 23:19 |
| mikeleib | also... patches always work | 23:19 |
| lcuk | mikeleib, yes sameo said that it was possible to do fairly simply | 23:20 |
| lcuk | but I suppose like anything it is knowing the codebase | 23:21 |
| mikeleib | the connman codebase is not too difficult | 23:21 |
| lcuk | on your favourite app source, finding the right line to tweak should be like finding the lightswitch in your house | 23:21 |
| lcuk | err unless you just got a new house that it | 23:21 |
| * mikeleib sometimes had to take it apart to do the connection manager client | 23:21 | |
| mikeleib | using the connman API gives one a common refrain | 23:22 |
| mikeleib | "connman is malware" ;) | 23:22 |
| lcuk | mikeleib, then next time you dig, have a read of the conversation me and sameo had and see if you can find the almost trivial bit he mentions | 23:22 |
| alterego | I don't care about connman, I just want to do it via the command line. | 23:22 |
| alterego | If I can't ssh into my N900 then I can't really do shit with it :/ | 23:22 |
| mikeleib | kill connman.. then use command line | 23:22 |
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| mikeleib | alterego: ether gadget? | 23:23 |
| alterego | Do you know what commands I'm supposed to yse :P | 23:23 |
| alterego | mikeleib: usb fell out | 23:23 |
| * mikeleib didn't even know that was possible | 23:23 | |
| * mikeleib doesn't know about n900 wifi.. intel wifi uses iwconfig, but not sure about n900 chipset | 23:23 | |
| alterego | Well, you've obviously not been about much :P | 23:23 |
| * mikeleib doesn't have an n900 | 23:24 | |
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| * mikeleib hangs qt-creator | 23:24 | |
| mikeleib | what crapware | 23:24 |
| * mikeleib switches back to his beloved emacs | 23:25 | |
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| * gabrbedd wonders if there's a Qt code-completion for emacs.... | 23:29 | |
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| mikeleib | M-/ | 23:31 |
| mikeleib | http://alexott.blogspot.com/2009/02/cedet-qt.html | 23:31 |
| gabrbedd | mikeleib: I'll try that... but i doubt it gives you parameter hints. (or does it?) | 23:33 |
| gabrbedd | hmmm.... looks like it does. | 23:33 |
| mikeleib | semantic/cedet does. it knows type information | 23:34 |
| * mikeleib mostly just has assistant in one window anyway.. so M-/ is all I need | 23:35 | |
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| * gabrbedd grumbles... | 23:39 | |
| gabrbedd | I'll have to look into CEDIT later... looks like I gotta install that mode or upgrade emacs to get it automatically. | 23:40 |
| gabrbedd | But it looks really cool... thanks. | 23:40 |
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| mikeleib | emacs23 is so worht it | 23:45 |
| mikeleib | and semantic/cedet are include | 23:45 |
| mikeleib | d | 23:45 |
| mikeleib | also org-mode | 23:45 |
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| gabrbedd | mikeleib: ok, thanks. I've got 23.1.1 (and it /is/ nice) -- but CEDIT appeared in 23.2 | 23:46 |
| gabrbedd | mikeleib: But I've been sticking with Ubuntu 10.04 since (AFAIK) that's the highest MeeGo-supported version. | 23:47 |
| mikeleib | oh.. bummer | 23:47 |
| * lcuk has 10.4 too | 23:47 | |
| mikeleib | meego trunk has 23.2 | 23:48 |
| mikeleib | eat yer own dogfood | 23:48 |
| gabrbedd | But I see 10.10 in the tools repos... so maybe idunno | 23:48 |
| mikeleib | also.. BMC#14650 will make life even better when fixed | 23:49 |
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| gabrbedd | MeeGoBot: bug 14650 | 23:49 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14650 enh, Low, ---, yan.i.li, ASSI, new upstream version of emacs available | 23:49 |
| gabrbedd | ah | 23:49 |
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| mikeleib | also.. if anybody wants to take BMC#12 off my hands, please stand up | 23:50 |
| mikeleib | MeeGoBot: bug 12 | 23:51 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12 enh, Low, ---, michael.leibowitz, ASSI, Package magit required | 23:51 |
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