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fiferboy | lcuk: Let me know what birds you see | 00:10 |
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fiferboy | I'm off | 00:10 |
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lcuk | fiferboy, is it a simple grpe "g/birds/historic_phones/" to turn your app into something else? | 00:11 |
lcuk | grep ^ | 00:11 |
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fiferboy | lcuk: Unfortunately, no | 00:11 |
fiferboy | There is some fairly birding specific stuff in there | 00:11 |
fiferboy | I wish I had time to make it more generic :| | 00:11 |
lcuk | heh | 00:12 |
lcuk | speaking of birds | 00:12 |
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fiferboy | Well, maybe it isn't as specific as I think | 00:12 |
lcuk | we went to wildlife gardens | 00:12 |
fiferboy | I'll take a look again tnoght :) | 00:12 |
lcuk | and saw a whole bunch of birds | 00:12 |
lcuk | when we got back Jacob was asking what each was | 00:12 |
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fiferboy | There is a calling for Auto Bird ID app :) | 00:12 |
fiferboy | Send me pictures and I'll let you know | 00:13 |
lcuk | there was a great cockatoo called Monty :) | 00:13 |
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lcuk | (I took a photo of the badge for that one lol) | 00:13 |
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lcuk | fiferboy, auto regognition would be really really tricky wouldn't it? | 00:14 |
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lcuk | asimo has something similar built in afaik | 00:14 |
fiferboy | lcuk: Oh yeah. Manual identification can be hard enough some times! | 00:14 |
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lcuk | lol seeing the hardships lardman has had with his barcode app over the time it is no wonder | 00:15 |
lcuk | computers have trouble recognising computers! | 00:15 |
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auke | lbt: from 1.3 on we hope to have system upgrades supported in one form or another | 00:17 |
auke | lbt: but, needs a ton of work | 00:18 |
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alterego | Sweet, incoming call now triggers my UI to display a nice incoming call overlay with answer and reject buttons :) | 00:18 |
alterego | lcuk: I can now make and receive calls :) | 00:18 |
lbt | auke: OK - good to have an idea of timeframes | 00:18 |
lcuk | alterego, double plus hotness! | 00:19 |
lcuk | make some calls then! | 00:19 |
alterego | lcuk: yeah, need to continue integrating things, basically all the other call functions like speaker/headset switching, conference calls, muting/holding, and all of that stuff. | 00:20 |
* lcuk can be onhand to help test if you like :) | 00:20 | |
alterego | There's also this neat function to forward calls to any msisdn/number you want. | 00:20 |
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alterego | lcuk: I will be making it public real soon. I was hoping to push it out tonight, but I've been wrestling all this afternoon trying to get dbus interfaces to work in Qml I'm quite behind, but I've been given a bit of leeway so I can work on dialer tomorrow and thursday. | 00:21 |
alterego | So I'm hoping to make a _lot_ of progress and probably have a version ready for integration by then :) | 00:22 |
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lcuk | that sounds like great progress :) | 00:22 |
lcuk | alterego, how do you see yourself behind? | 00:23 |
alterego | Well, you know, you make plans of where you'd like to be by the end of the day and if I'm not there I kinda feel like I've wasted time. | 00:24 |
* lcuk agrees | 00:24 | |
alterego | And wrestling with the dbus stuff all afternoon and this evening, when I was receiving calls this morning during the DE meeting, just seems like very little progress ;) | 00:24 |
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lcuk | when coding I like to reach a level | 00:24 |
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lcuk | so that I can carry on with the next bit in the morning | 00:25 |
alterego | But, well, it's 10:30pm almost and I've got to pretty much where I wanted to be ^.^ | 00:25 |
lcuk | heh | 00:25 |
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alterego | Tomorrow I want to get prestarting sorted, so the UI pops up even if the app isn't open | 00:26 |
alterego | Which I'm hoping will be very little work. | 00:27 |
alterego | Which leaves the rest of the day to refine the UX and make things look a little prettier :) | 00:27 |
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sp3000 | also things like "oh, let us take two days to resolve a ticket to say your arms request failed on some vague technical intermittence and you get to resubmit your request yourself" | 01:00 |
sp3000 | and "oh we can't deliver a f*n standard configuration laptop in less than about two weeks | 01:01 |
sp3000 | " | 01:01 |
sp3000 | but that's all normal :) | 01:02 |
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sp3000 | I got my passport quickly though | 01:02 |
sp3000 | maybe we should outsource IT to the police | 01:02 |
sp3000 | also "my irc client has too many tabs and I fail to notice when it's not opening new ones for pmsg" | 01:04 |
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gabrbedd | sp3000: :-) | 01:05 |
* gabrbedd was wondering.... | 01:05 | |
lbt | sp3000: having a good rant there ? :) | 01:05 |
* sp3000 needs to do a round of channel purging | 01:05 | |
sp3000 | lbt: *shrug* normal work day ;) | 01:06 |
lbt | *nod* | 01:06 |
lbt | well.... c.obs is now upgraded | 01:06 |
auke | <- just for kicks, made a systemd+xfce-4.8 meego image :) | 01:06 |
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lbt | 'night all | 01:15 |
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berndhs | night | 01:16 |
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CosmoHill | bye | 01:16 |
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berndhs | me neither | 01:24 |
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alterego | g'night folks | 01:24 |
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berndhs | i'm stuck on some stupid things | 01:24 |
berndhs | night alterego | 01:24 |
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CosmoHill | me too | 01:26 |
CosmoHill | I've re-written a large portion of my assignment and improved it | 01:26 |
CosmoHill | but I've become stuff on the section that I've not done / done little on because there's nothing / little to improve, and I work by constantly redoing stuff to make it better | 01:26 |
berndhs | im getting some crashes from memory corruption | 01:27 |
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berndhs | and keep looking at my code to work around it | 01:27 |
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berndhs | cant figure out where it comes from, beta stuff in fedora probably | 01:28 |
CosmoHill | my dissertation is to compare and constrast windows and linux HPC solutions but I've only been able to run 2 / 3 tests on performace | 01:28 |
CosmoHill | I really need to mention what bastards both platforms are when they have to share compute nodes | 01:29 |
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berndhs | does windows do multi-user properly now ? | 01:29 |
berndhs | you would need that | 01:29 |
CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/Picture 13.png | 01:29 |
berndhs | you have spaces in file names there ? | 01:30 |
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CosmoHill | yeah | 01:30 |
CosmoHill | need to do something about that | 01:31 |
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CosmoHill | ooo, I have 500 podcasts :/ | 01:31 |
berndhs | my irc client thinks the space is the end of the link | 01:31 |
berndhs | not entirely unreasonable | 01:31 |
CosmoHill | mine too | 01:31 |
CosmoHill | I was expecting it to put %20 instead of the sapce | 01:31 |
berndhs | how would it know what the end is otherwise ? | 01:32 |
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CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/Picture%2013.png | 01:32 |
berndhs | yeah i understand that part :) | 01:32 |
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CosmoHill | my issue is that I've never used windows server before so everything is new to me | 01:33 |
CosmoHill | any attempt to integrate the two platforms seems to kill linux | 01:33 |
berndhs | how many windows supercomputers are the in the world ? 3 or so ? | 01:34 |
CosmoHill | 5 in the top500 | 01:34 |
CosmoHill | Bull have 9 super computers in the top500 | 01:34 |
berndhs | i dont have any :) | 01:35 |
CosmoHill | I have something that looks like a cluster and sounds like a cluster by crashes like a pissed off windows XP install | 01:35 |
CosmoHill | but* | 01:35 |
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berndhs | i worked on some supercomputers long ago, on mapping computaions to them that dont really fit | 01:36 |
CosmoHill | 10 of the 16 windows nodes have decided that they no longer want to accept HPC work and fail diagnostics and all tests I have run on windows have removed themselfs | 01:36 |
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berndhs | hmm | 01:37 |
CosmoHill | the biggest problem is that I'm a student, therefore I do bugger all work until the deadline is near | 01:37 |
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berndhs | i had that problem in my first semester in the US | 01:37 |
CosmoHill | it's due in in 6 days and I don't fancy doing a full compute node reinstall cos windows is a bitch | 01:37 |
berndhs | coming from canada, i didnt really do anything until thanksgiving | 01:38 |
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CosmoHill | lol | 01:38 |
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berndhs | forgot that US thanksgiving is a month later | 01:38 |
berndhs | and it wasnt a semester, it was a quarter | 01:38 |
CosmoHill | oh dear...good thing you weren't studying in the UK, we don't eve have thanks giving | 01:38 |
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berndhs | that would have been ok | 01:39 |
berndhs | i was jsut used to goofing off while the weather was nice | 01:39 |
CosmoHill | I'm currently paying $5430 USD but fees go up in 2012 to $13,500 USD :/ | 01:39 |
berndhs | this doesnt work in souther california | 01:40 |
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berndhs | i had funding almost all the time, so was ok | 01:40 |
berndhs | otherwise nobody can afford it | 01:40 |
CosmoHill | I get 1200 USD back a year just for going to my lesions that I pay for :/ | 01:41 |
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berndhs | i was getting paid $800 a month for teaching | 01:41 |
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CosmoHill | that's more than I've earned my whole time at uni | 01:42 |
berndhs | for 800 there you can afford 2 of transportation, housing and food | 01:43 |
berndhs | any 2 of the 3 you want | 01:43 |
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CosmoHill | I live with my parents and bike to uni | 01:43 |
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CosmoHill | you can't really do that tho | 01:43 |
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berndhs | biking was no good, uphill both ways | 01:44 |
berndhs | rfeally | 01:44 |
CosmoHill | there's a hill opposite the uni, the top of the hill is about the same level as our 3rd floor computing department | 01:45 |
berndhs | campus was on a hill and I had to go over another one | 01:46 |
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berndhs | wish I had an opportunity to go back tehre, its real nice | 01:47 |
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CosmoHill | only issues I've had biking have been when I fell off cos that hurt, snow and flooding | 01:50 |
CosmoHill | after tuesday I'll be confused about what to do because I will have no more deadlines | 01:52 |
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berndhs | i almost got hit by a biker once | 01:55 |
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berndhs | in my car | 01:55 |
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berndhs | at night, he had no lights, was going really fast | 01:56 |
berndhs | no way I could see him, and no way he could miss me | 01:56 |
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CosmoHill | I had it driving back from my friends there were two idiots on bikes riding down the road with no lights, the woman on the BMX had a big handbag on the handle bars | 02:01 |
CosmoHill | when you ride a bike you keep over to the left of the road (or right if you drive on the right), to woman was riding all over the lane for no reason | 02:01 |
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berndhs | here a lot of bikers have the attitude that if they get hit by a car, its the cars fault | 02:02 |
CosmoHill | we are talking about push bikes right? | 02:02 |
berndhs | bycicles, not motor bikes | 02:02 |
CosmoHill | good, I'm a biker and my attitude is "it will hurt me a lot more than it will hurt them" | 02:03 |
berndhs | right | 02:03 |
CosmoHill | I wasn't pleased when two idiots came down the road, looked both ways and continued through the red light | 02:03 |
berndhs | it may not be your fault, but it sure is your problem | 02:03 |
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berndhs | i used to ride my bike a lot, jsut not up the hill to school | 02:04 |
berndhs | but not i live in canada again, too much snow, or too hot and humid | 02:05 |
berndhs | 4-6 weeks of nice weather a year | 02:05 |
CosmoHill | uni is downhill from my house so I'm alright, issue comes when I ride home cos one I get there I don't wanna do any work | 02:07 |
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berndhs | yes real workouts jsut to get home ruin your evening productivity :) | 02:08 |
berndhs | cheapest transportation in califonia was to ahve a cheap old car that you dont fix | 02:11 |
berndhs | cheaper than taking the bus | 02:11 |
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CosmoHill | ha | 02:15 |
berndhs | more of an adventure too, you never know if you will get there | 02:15 |
CosmoHill | berndhs: do you use gallows on letres? | 02:15 |
CosmoHill | or* | 02:15 |
berndhs | americans use gallons, small ones | 02:16 |
berndhs | canadians use liters | 02:16 |
CosmoHill | what measurement would you prefer? | 02:16 |
berndhs | also americans use lethal injection now, gallows went out decades ago | 02:16 |
berndhs | personally, i dont care | 02:16 |
CosmoHill | it's $2.10 Candian for 1 litre | 02:16 |
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berndhs | its less here, $1.50 or so | 02:17 |
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CosmoHill | ($2.20 UD) | 02:17 |
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CosmoHill | what I really hate about petrol is that it goes up so fast | 02:17 |
berndhs | still a lot cheaper in the US, its all your taxes in europe | 02:17 |
CosmoHill | gone up 5c / litre since I last topped up | 02:18 |
berndhs | its bad enough here | 02:18 |
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CosmoHill | I get 300 miles ish from 40 litres | 02:19 |
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CosmoHill | I get about 12.7Km/L :/ | 02:20 |
CosmoHill | damn, I use have a litre just to see my best friend | 02:21 |
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berndhs | i got 30 miles per gallon in one of my cars in Utah, going straight all day at 80mph or so | 02:21 |
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berndhs | probably downhill though :) | 02:21 |
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CosmoHill | america has a stupid nation speed limit iirc | 02:21 |
thiago_home | it's interesting how "miles per gallon" is very hard to have a meaning for metric people | 02:22 |
berndhs | and i got 3 miles per gallon in the same car in traffic jams :) | 02:22 |
thiago_home | not very comparable | 02:22 |
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berndhs | yeah its all backwards | 02:22 |
CosmoHill | thiago_home: that's a point, berndhs US or UK gallons? | 02:22 |
thiago_home | you take a different unit, divide by a different unit, so you have no idea what is good and what isn't | 02:22 |
berndhs | US gallony | 02:22 |
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thiago_home | worse if you're used to l/100 km, which is dimensionally the inverse | 02:22 |
CosmoHill | thiago_home: I'm english so it's a bit worse here | 02:22 |
CosmoHill | petrol is sold in metric but the speed limit is in imperial | 02:23 |
berndhs | miles are ok for predicting time of arrival | 02:23 |
berndhs | 1 mile per minute | 02:23 |
thiago_home | 2 km per minute | 02:23 |
CosmoHill | the most stupid thing about the imperial system in the UK, it's not taught in schoools | 02:23 |
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berndhs | 2km per minute is really hard though | 02:24 |
thiago_home | for an average, yes | 02:24 |
berndhs | even in germany | 02:24 |
TSCHAKeee | just remember, the median I.Q. is 100... | 02:24 |
TSCHAKeee | :P | 02:25 |
CosmoHill | okay I'm way too confused for this | 02:25 |
CosmoHill | night night | 02:25 |
berndhs | night cosmo | 02:25 |
TSCHAKeee | so half of the world can't divide by 2 very well :P | 02:25 |
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berndhs | only 3 kinds of people | 02:25 |
TSCHAKeee | which probably, in some gonzo way, explains our worldwide economic crisis... | 02:25 |
berndhs | those who can count and those who cant | 02:25 |
auke | nao | 02:26 |
auke | 10 kinds of people | 02:26 |
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TSCHAKeee | those who shifted left | 02:26 |
berndhs | yeah in base 3 | 02:26 |
TSCHAKeee | and that's it | 02:26 |
TSCHAKeee | :P | 02:26 |
auke | in base 3, there's only 2 kinds of people... | 02:26 |
thiago_home | those who know ternary, those who don't and those who mistake it for binary? | 02:27 |
auke | in base 2, there are 10 kinds of people | 02:27 |
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w00t_ | lol | 02:33 |
w00t_ | thiago_home: back in Oslo now? | 02:34 |
thiago_home | yes | 02:35 |
thiago_home | still in SP time, but off to bed now | 02:35 |
w00t_ | night o/ | 02:35 |
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uhsf | Sony should have chosen MeeGo for their upcoming S1 and S2 devices. It would have distinguished them much more than some funky hardware designs. Android is so lame. | 04:13 |
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espen77 | i had a dual boot win7/ubuntu, when installing meego i chose to replace ubuntu, during the installation win partition was listed as bootloader option, but now when i boot i cant see any place to choose where to boot, any key to pres/hold to bring up boot menu? | 05:51 |
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ngharo | espen77: i believe the bootloader timeout is very short | 05:53 |
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espen77 | might be set to 0, | 05:54 |
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ngharo | have you tried "slam the UP key during boot repeatedly" | 05:54 |
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berndhs | its probably 3 secs or something | 05:54 |
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espen77 | no, wasnt even sure what bootloader is used :) | 05:54 |
ngharo | extlinux iirc | 05:55 |
ngharo | check /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf or something like that | 05:55 |
espen77 | k, ty...will look into it | 05:55 |
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espen77 | any idea when garage will be up and running? | 05:56 |
espen77 | also i run none english language, but translation is incompleete...where do i submitt translate sugestions? | 05:56 |
espen77 | like settings=instillinger | 05:57 |
berndhs | try bugs.meego.com | 05:57 |
berndhs | there are things for enhancements and features | 05:58 |
espen77 | file translations as a bug? | 05:58 |
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berndhs | they file everthing as bugs | 05:58 |
berndhs | bugs, features, weather reports, royal wedding | 05:59 |
espen77 | kinda used to ubuntu and launchpad, so it is kinda new to me :) | 05:59 |
espen77 | lol | 05:59 |
espen77 | meego seem to have improved a lot the past year...tried it a little when it first came out. | 06:01 |
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espen77 | i need to manually enable middle button scrolling from commandline everytime i starup, where would be the best place to auto run the commands at startup? | 06:05 |
berndhs | at the moment you can put stuff in rc.local | 06:06 |
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berndhs | dont know if that will work for future versions | 06:06 |
berndhs | thats assuming it is system wide | 06:07 |
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espen77 | k, will try | 06:10 |
espen77 | ty | 06:10 |
berndhs | im looking at their extlinux.conf | 06:10 |
berndhs | says timeout 1 sec here | 06:10 |
berndhs | and menu hidden | 06:10 |
berndhs | so that doesnt give you much of a shot :P | 06:11 |
espen77 | ye, i increased it | 06:11 |
berndhs | and comment out the hidden until you know what it does | 06:11 |
espen77 | i could not see gstreamer good/bad/ugly in zypper search....no coodecs awailable? | 06:12 |
berndhs | dont know | 06:12 |
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gabrbedd | berndhs: espen77 I think I saw somewhere that the timeout is x10 ms. | 06:19 |
berndhs | is it ? could be | 06:20 |
gabrbedd | So a timeout of 1 is 10 ms. (or maybe its 100 ms or something) | 06:20 |
gabrbedd | Anyway... it's some factor of 10. :-) | 06:20 |
berndhs | it goes really fast, they want quick boot | 06:20 |
berndhs | and they like the 1st commandment, thou shalt now have any others | 06:20 |
gabrbedd | Thou shalt have no other OS's before MeeGo. | 06:22 |
gabrbedd | And the number of thy counting shall be 1 | 06:22 |
TSCHAKeee | no more no less | 06:22 |
berndhs | yeah thats the one | 06:22 |
TSCHAKeee | 3 is RIGHT OUT! | 06:22 |
TSCHAKeee | :P | 06:22 |
gabrbedd | Thou shalt not count to 0, excepting that thou proceedest unto 1. | 06:23 |
espen77 | lol...unfortunently it is hard to escape win totually | 06:24 |
TSCHAKeee | sometimes | 06:24 |
TSCHAKeee | I've been Windows fee in my daily routine since 1995. | 06:24 |
TSCHAKeee | I used my Amiga and NeXT machines longer than I used PCs with Microsoft software on them for daily use :P | 06:25 |
espen77 | i too only use it ocationally, | 06:25 |
berndhs | i make win installers for some of my apps, for completeness | 06:26 |
* gabrbedd loves deleting Windows partitions and pealing the stickers off the lappy. | 06:26 | |
berndhs | shrinking windows partitions is fun too | 06:27 |
gabrbedd | when it works. | 06:27 |
berndhs | if it doesnt you can delete them :P | 06:28 |
gabrbedd | :-) | 06:28 |
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berndhs | good night | 06:54 |
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amjad | interesting , http://www.paneve.com/Technology | 08:13 |
Stskeeps | 404? | 08:15 |
RST38h | click on Technology | 08:15 |
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Stskeeps | too early in morning | 08:16 |
Stskeeps | :P | 08:16 |
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RST38h | To summarize, it is another company trying to make a flexible video controller | 08:16 |
RST38h | Or video processor, to be exact | 08:16 |
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* Cherrot Hello everyone~ | 09:06 | |
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amjad | hello | 09:07 |
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achipa | is it just me or has the LF gone mailing-list berserk ? | 09:55 |
achipa | I got 8 monthly newsletters so fatr | 09:56 |
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Stskeeps | i only got one | 09:56 |
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rzr1 | w | 10:39 |
rzr1 | err:) | 10:40 |
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Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:15 |
Stskeeps | morn jafa | 11:15 |
Stskeeps | +f | 11:15 |
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lcuk | \o morning | 11:22 |
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RST38h | moorning indeed | 11:25 |
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alterego | Just got an email from the hyatt regency telling me the room is booked. | 11:30 |
Stskeeps | like, to you? | 11:30 |
Stskeeps | :P | 11:30 |
alterego | This is what I'm wondering :S | 11:30 |
bilboed | any updates on speakers getting a confirmation mail ? | 11:30 |
* bilboed is on the schedule but hasn't received any mail | 11:30 | |
Stskeeps | bilboed: if you haven't, contact meego-events@ mailing list | 11:30 |
alterego | Yeah there was a cockup I believe | 11:32 |
Stskeeps | bilboed: if you're on the list, you're in a really good spot no matter what :) | 11:32 |
* alterego still needs to raise funds for sf :S | 11:32 | |
bilboed | Stskeeps, sure sure :) | 11:32 |
alterego | Anyone want to lend me a 1k? :) | 11:32 |
* lbt thought ... WTF ... arriving on the 5th!!! | 11:32 | |
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Stskeeps | 5th? | 11:33 |
lbt | alterego: I have loads of 1k (and 10k) aswell ... what wattage? | 11:33 |
Stskeeps | :P | 11:33 |
lbt | arriving on 05/20/2011 | 11:33 |
Stskeeps | ah | 11:33 |
lbt | in teeny tiny type... | 11:33 |
lbt | meh | 11:33 |
alterego | lbt: 1k GBP :P | 11:33 |
lbt | ah.... | 11:33 |
lbt | sure... what rate would suit ? 10% daily compounding? | 11:34 |
alterego | Hah | 11:34 |
alterego | 0% apr but free rails development services? :) | 11:34 |
* lbt would use a CC contract if it helps ... | 11:34 | |
Stskeeps | alterego: watch out what you say.. | 11:35 |
Stskeeps | :P | 11:35 |
lbt | hmm | 11:35 |
* lbt does some math.... | 11:35 | |
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alterego | Might see if I can get a short term loan | 11:38 |
Stskeeps | when i was a student, banks were begging me to create debt | 11:39 |
Stskeeps | that scared me | 11:39 |
Stskeeps | :P | 11:39 |
alterego | Heh | 11:39 |
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rzr1 | let me point out the short movie "money as debt" | 11:41 |
rzr1 | worth to spend 10 min watching it | 11:41 |
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alterego | Might ask qgil if Nokia can subsidise me :D | 11:43 |
alterego | Do Nokia do loans? :D | 11:43 |
Stskeeps | not really, you'd like to avoid that situation :) | 11:43 |
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alterego | I could offer them the rights to my qml dialer :D | 11:45 |
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matmo | hi all. I'm installing the sdk and at the point of installing a runtime. What are the options with "-sda-"? | 12:03 |
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Termana | morning | 12:31 |
alterego | Aloha | 12:32 |
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_|Nix|_ | Hey! What's the root password on meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.1.99.4.20110426.4.img? | 14:07 |
Stskeeps | meego, probably | 14:07 |
_|Nix|_ | Tried that. | 14:07 |
_|Nix|_ | Does su - even work? | 14:08 |
CosmoHill | su - will still require a password | 14:08 |
CosmoHill | try "sudo -s" | 14:08 |
_|Nix|_ | OK, I must've typed it wrong last time, cuz it worked this time. | 14:08 |
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Khertan_ | Hello ! | 15:07 |
Stskeeps | lo Khertan_ :) | 15:07 |
Khertan_ | Stskeeps: what's new ? | 15:07 |
Stskeeps | not much, having fun with the DE work | 15:07 |
Stskeeps | you? | 15:07 |
Khertan_ | not much too :) | 15:07 |
Khertan_ | still playing with python | 15:08 |
Khertan_ | try to fix last bug in khweeteur-experimental | 15:08 |
Stskeeps | :) | 15:09 |
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Khertan_ | about the DE edition, are you doing it as a hobby ? i mean not beeing employed to work on it ? | 15:12 |
Stskeeps | Khertan_: we're a bigger bunch of nokia people, subcontractors etc working on it paid and some volunteers | 15:13 |
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Venemo | Stskeeps, sounds like pretty serious business | 15:14 |
Stskeeps | i wouldn't call it business | 15:15 |
Stskeeps | :P | 15:15 |
Khertan_ | Stskeeps: yep i know that you aren't only one :) but did you personnally are you a paid volunteers for your work ? | 15:15 |
Stskeeps | Khertan_: i've been paid since starting as maemo.org distmaster | 15:16 |
Khertan_ | oh ... maybe i should follow a bit more the maemo news ... :) | 15:16 |
Stskeeps | well, short-lived job | 15:16 |
Stskeeps | :P | 15:16 |
Stskeeps | meego came along and there i went | 15:16 |
Khertan_ | yeah ... | 15:17 |
Stskeeps | did you try DE yet? | 15:17 |
Khertan_ | and which meego which will not be delivered now as a experimental product for Nokia it could be worse in futur :( | 15:18 |
Venemo | the DE is wonderful. honestly, I didn't believe it until I saw if for myself :) | 15:18 |
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Khertan_ | Stskeeps: i ve try a previous version where i didn't pass the loading of the kernel | 15:18 |
Khertan_ | :) | 15:18 |
Stskeeps | Khertan_: ah, you should try the alpha release | 15:18 |
Khertan_ | hum ... i ll so | 15:18 |
Khertan_ | :) | 15:18 |
Venemo | I can give it more testing when it'll have the ability to use a SIM with a PIN code | 15:19 |
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Venemo | and in MeeGo DE, even the error messages are very funny | 15:19 |
ali1234 | this is installed same way as before... unpack and dd to sd card then boot with u-boot? | 15:20 |
Stskeeps | yes | 15:20 |
ali1234 | ok going to try it | 15:20 |
Venemo | Stskeeps, when is the PIN entry option coming? | 15:20 |
ali1234 | oh wait... no download allowance left | 15:20 |
Stskeeps | Venemo: oh, right, i had an email to write | 15:20 |
Khertan_ | wahou ... difficult to found something with the search feature on the meego wiki | 15:21 |
Stskeeps | wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition | 15:21 |
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alterego | Is sim code support for isi in ofono yet? | 15:23 |
Stskeeps | i just pinged the developer who made a UI | 15:23 |
Khertan_ | Stskeeps: on http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/ReleaseProcess there is only the daily image :) | 15:23 |
Stskeeps | Khertan_: yeah | 15:24 |
Stskeeps | grab the one in the top of DeveloperEdition | 15:24 |
Stskeeps | it actually works | 15:24 |
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Khertan_ | eta 2h45min ... ouch | 15:26 |
Stskeeps | we even have it on a fast mirror :P | 15:26 |
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Khertan_ | Stskeeps: the problem is where am i :) | 15:27 |
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Khertan_ | Stskeeps: the connection is slow, overcharged, and unstable | 15:27 |
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Venemo | [14:57] <SpeedEvil> Venemo: Intel have gone back to the moblin name IIRC | 16:05 |
Venemo | is that true? | 16:05 |
Stskeeps | no | 16:05 |
Stskeeps | in fact, they closed the mailing lists | 16:05 |
Venemo | what mailing lists? | 16:05 |
Stskeeps | moblin ones | 16:05 |
Venemo | ah :) | 16:06 |
Venemo | thanks | 16:06 |
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Stskeeps | and the moblin irc channel | 16:06 |
Stskeeps | it's all meego | 16:06 |
Venemo | ah, thanks :) | 16:06 |
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Venemo | I have to go, will be back later | 16:10 |
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renato | X-Fade, Hi, I'm trying get pyside compiled to armv8 on Meego public OBS but I did see any target to meego 1.2. There is any trick to enable that, or this is not available yet? | 16:20 |
X-Fade | renato: MeeGo:Trunk is a 1.2 snapshot. | 16:21 |
X-Fade | from last week. | 16:21 |
OdyX | renato: pyside compiles on Debian's armhf in case :-) | 16:22 |
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renato | X-Fade, but I got a lot of unresolvable dependencies when trying compile pyside, like: nothing provides python-devel, nothing provides python-setuptools-devel, nothing provides rpm, nothing provides binutils, nothing provides gcc, nothing provides glibc, nothing provides rpm-build, nothing provides libtool | 16:22 |
Stskeeps | X-Fade: armv8el / armv7hl imported too? | 16:23 |
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X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yes. | 16:23 |
Stskeeps | hm | 16:23 |
renato | on the main OBS all works fine | 16:24 |
Stskeeps | renato: repo url please | 16:24 |
X-Fade | renato: Ah, you build against MeeGo:1.2, right? | 16:24 |
X-Fade | renato: That still needs a prjconf it seems. | 16:24 |
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renato | Stskeeps, this is from the main OBS: http://download.meego.com/live/home:/renatofilho/Trunk/ | 16:26 |
X-Fade | renato: You build against the wrong repo. meego_current_core is old. | 16:26 |
renato | X-Fade, which one is the correct? | 16:27 |
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renato | I did not see any meego 1.2 repository on the list | 16:27 |
X-Fade | renato: I added the correct one to your project. | 16:28 |
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renato | X-Fade, yeah Thanks | 16:29 |
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Myrtti | you know what would be good? if the http://download.meego.com/ build images would have the md5sum on the directory too | 16:34 |
CosmoHill | that would be great, whenever I mirror a meego image I always provide the md5sum | 16:35 |
Myrtti | http://download.meego.com/trunk-daily/builds/trunk/latest/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.1.99.4.20110425.7.img didn't even boot for me and I don't know if the error is in the download or the image it self | 16:35 |
phaeron | there's anonymous rsync , you can use that to verify the file | 16:36 |
Myrtti | and or course, bittorrent would be nice too | 16:37 |
Myrtti | (says Miss-I-Will-Download-This-Bloody-Image-For-Three-Hours-Over-HTTP) | 16:37 |
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Myrtti | sorry, four hours | 16:39 |
Myrtti | :-C | 16:39 |
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GAN900 | How did we decide to hack the nametags to include nicks? | 16:45 |
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gabrbedd | GAN900: vote? flipped coin? | 16:46 |
GAN900 | gabrbedd, i.e., what's the procedure for getting your nick to show up on the nametag. | 16:48 |
Stskeeps | ask on meego-events@? | 16:48 |
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fiferboy | GAN900: My IRC name shows up on the attendee list | 16:56 |
fiferboy | It is probably used from there? | 16:56 |
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GAN900 | Dunno, wasn't last time. | 16:58 |
GAN900 | fiferboy, I loled at Bautista striking out swinging. | 17:00 |
fiferboy | GAN900: Yeah, last time I hacked it on | 17:02 |
GAN900 | Then Shields catching him out at 1st was the little cherry on top. | 17:02 |
fiferboy | Did you lol at his league leading home runs too? :P | 17:02 |
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GAN900 | Yeah, I loled because he got on base 11-for-12 for the series? | 17:03 |
fiferboy | Hehe | 17:03 |
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GAN900 | fiferboy, attendence figures are depressingly low. At least Tropicana is sort of small so it doesn't look as empty. | 17:05 |
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GAN900 | Rogers seemed really dead on Sunday | 17:05 |
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RST38h | Those Americans and their baseball! | 17:06 |
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GAN900 | RST38h, Japanese, too! | 17:06 |
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RST38h | GAN: And Cubans. hehe. | 17:06 |
GAN900 | At least we're not so bored watching futbol that we have to resort to stabbing each other. *g* | 17:07 |
RST38h | GAN: Got guns for that. | 17:07 |
GAN900 | Yeah, pretty much all of Central and South American, and the Carribean. | 17:07 |
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RST38h | Actually, a really weird combination of locales. Although cricket world championship is probably even weirder. | 17:08 |
GAN900 | Nah, we just chase the other team's fans up on lightpoles and throw beer bottles at them until they fall off. | 17:08 |
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RST38h | Leave them there until the morning! | 17:09 |
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Stskeeps | DawnFoster: is there a agenda for the TSG tomorrow or can I sleep in? :) | 17:49 |
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DawnFoster | Stskeeps: you can sleep in - there weren | 17:49 |
DawnFoster | t enough agenda items to have a meeting | 17:49 |
Stskeeps | alright | 17:49 |
DawnFoster | *goes to update wiki page* | 17:50 |
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lbt | DawnFoster: https://meego.com/ -> MeeGo Planet section-> my post " MeeGo DE - *THAT* is how you do it .... " -> ???? very old link :) | 17:59 |
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Stskeeps | isn't it normally ???. PROFIT? | 17:59 |
w00t_ | I wish | 18:00 |
* lbt investigates adwords... | 18:00 | |
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DawnFoster | lbt - yeah, weird | 18:00 |
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lbt | it would be nice if meego news pointed to 'new' stuff... especially when one is making an effort to be supportive.... | 18:00 |
lbt | meh | 18:00 |
Stskeeps | lbt: file a bug against planet.meego.com i guess | 18:01 |
Stskeeps | it's bergie and co's area | 18:01 |
DawnFoster | the other stuff is new | 18:01 |
DawnFoster | blogger feeds are complete crap | 18:01 |
DawnFoster | I'm guessing it's a glitch in that one feed | 18:01 |
lbt | OK - maybe I should find another home for my blog :) | 18:01 |
DawnFoster | Stskeeps: well, those are from the old planet | 18:01 |
DawnFoster | planet.meego.com is still working out some bugs | 18:02 |
timoph | all the feeds from blogspot do that | 18:02 |
Stskeeps | ah | 18:02 |
DawnFoster | lbt - i recommend wordpress | 18:02 |
DawnFoster | reliable, open source | 18:02 |
alterego | DawnFoster: any news on the community device programme? | 18:02 |
DawnFoster | we hope to have the application form up this week or early next week | 18:03 |
alterego | Cool, for the third week running :P | 18:03 |
TSCHAKeee | *chomp-at-bit* | 18:03 |
TSCHAKeee | :P :) | 18:03 |
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alterego | I should probably get home and push my git commits | 18:05 |
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Khertan_ | Hi again | 18:23 |
Stskeeps | wb | 18:23 |
Khertan_ | Stskeeps: is it normal that after uboot install n900 still complain about insuffisant power to charge via usb ? | 18:24 |
Khertan_ | (running on maemo) | 18:24 |
Stskeeps | not sure, did you have PR1.3? | 18:25 |
Khertan_ | yep | 18:25 |
Khertan_ | and cssu alpha | 18:25 |
Stskeeps | ok | 18:25 |
Khertan_ | but same kernel | 18:25 |
Stskeeps | haven't seen the insufficient power message except when in car :) | 18:25 |
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Khertan_ | hum ... so i ll try to economize battery :) | 18:32 |
Khertan_ | bye | 18:32 |
Khertan_ | and thx | 18:32 |
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CosmoHill | isn't there big power management issues with Linux 2.6.38 and .39 ? | 18:38 |
DawnFoster | lbt: Meego.com seems to be down? any idea why? | 18:40 |
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CosmoHill | DawnFoster: huh, it worked an hour ago | 18:42 |
CosmoHill | if you look up the IP address and type it in it gives you 404 | 18:42 |
DawnFoster | yeah, I was just on it and now i'm getting dns errors | 18:42 |
lbt | DawnFoster: looking | 18:42 |
gabrbedd | lbt: DawnFoster DNS issue. | 18:45 |
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gabrbedd | Looks like ns1.linux-foundation.net has forgotten meego.com. (But bugs.meego.com works ok) | 18:46 |
gabrbedd | So.... do we file a bug? :-p | 18:46 |
lbt | no, we're on it | 18:47 |
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lbt | should be fixed ... may take 10min | 18:53 |
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lbt | it appears that the LF dns servers are *still* not listening to zone xfers. If you use the maemo.org dns server it resolves | 18:57 |
lbt | I'll ask Adam to raise it with LF again | 18:58 |
lbt | DawnFoster: back for you now? | 18:59 |
DawnFoster | lbt: yep, thanks | 18:59 |
gabrbedd | lbt: here, too | 19:00 |
lbt | np - sorry. There was a typo in a DNS update for spf for the lists | 19:00 |
gabrbedd | hasn't hit google, yet (8.8.8.8) | 19:00 |
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flexer | Hi all | 19:08 |
flexer | I need help with multiple network connections | 19:09 |
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flexer | I read something about carrick and connMan but I've not found anything about switch from home wired network ti | 19:10 |
flexer | to work wired network with different parameter | 19:11 |
flexer | If I try to reconfigure network "on the fly", connman freeze | 19:11 |
flexer | anyone could help me? I really need to switch between a lot of different wired network | 19:12 |
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flexer | no one could help me? | 19:14 |
npm | flexer: connman 0.69 is full of bugs and nearly unusable. try upgrading to connman 0.73 in http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/connectivity:/latest/Trunk/ | 19:14 |
flexer | npm thank you so much for your response. One question I'm on 1.1.4 release. I could anyway install 0.73? | 19:15 |
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npm | see https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13778 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13780 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13653 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9007 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15552 | 19:17 |
MeeGoBot | Bug 13778 maj, Medium, 1.1.90.4, martin.xu, ASSI, [upstream 0.71 has fixed]connection problems, page allocation failures | 19:17 |
MeeGoBot | Bug 13780 nor, Medium, 1.1.90.4, martin.xu, ASSI, Wired connection stops working when transferring lots of data | 19:17 |
MeeGoBot | Bug 13653 nor, Medium, 1.3, sameo, ASSI, ConnMan applet disconnect does not disconnect ipv6 | 19:17 |
MeeGoBot | Bug 9007 nor, High, ---, martin.xu, RESO WORKSFORME, [REG]network notification pop up about every 5 minutes | 19:17 |
MeeGoBot | Bug 15552 maj, High, ---, martin.xu, ASSI, [Upstream v-0.71 has fixed the issue]network fail to connect to internet with static IP for the seco | 19:17 |
npm | flexer: oh sorry i've got 1.2 on the brain. | 19:17 |
flexer | thank you again npm | 19:17 |
npm | i believe the problem may have existed in 1.1 and caused by some upgrade to connman (0.69) that was broken | 19:18 |
flexer | can I downgrade? | 19:18 |
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npm | flexer: you can always try doing zypper in http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/connectivity:/latest/Trunk/i586/connman-0.73.33.g3a370e1-1.1.i586.rpm and save an old copy of the original RPM on your filesystem in case it doesn't work and you need to back out. | 19:19 |
npm | the worst that could happen is something breaks :-) | 19:20 |
flexer | ok. Thank you so much. I'm going to try | 19:20 |
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npm | also, connman crashes a lot, so if your network panel greys out, instead of rebooting just to "sudo connmand" | 19:22 |
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flexer | oh npm. My problem is that it not work with "sudo connman". It freeze and I'm forced to reboot | 19:23 |
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GeneralAntilles | When do we expect the sponsorship emails to all be out by? | 19:41 |
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matth_gyver | hi all | 19:42 |
thiago_home | this week | 19:43 |
matth_gyver | i'd like install meego (in-vehicle) on a laptop but the installer don't see my hard drive :-/ | 19:43 |
GeneralAntilles | OK, thanks. | 19:43 |
matth_gyver | any one know what ? | 19:43 |
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flexer | @ npm. I've trid to install connman 0.73 but not worked. I'm back on 0.69 now. Other ideas? | 19:46 |
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flexer | Someone know if there is a possibilities of installing NetworkManager on meego 1.1.4? | 19:47 |
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delac | is it possible to use Huawei 3G stick with Meego? and how? It doesn't appear in the Networks Tab, but it is recognized by kernel. Nothing in dmesg looks like error... | 19:52 |
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jnwi | &win 10 | 19:53 |
jnwi | oops, sorry | 19:53 |
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flexer | @delac. try here http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2843 | 19:56 |
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delac | flexer: thanks, I'll take a look of that. | 19:59 |
flexer | nothing | 20:00 |
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npm | flexer: you might try downgrading to an older version than 0.69, like perhaps the original one that came w/ 1.1 | 20:02 |
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flexer | @npm: I'm try to install networkManager from smeegol release | 20:03 |
npm | sounds like even more of a pain... | 20:04 |
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npm | 1.2 "trunk" w/ the .38 kernel is pretty solid IMHO... might be less pain to just run that | 20:05 |
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npm | and connman 0.73 | 20:06 |
npm | w/ the released connman 0.69 -- and 1.2 ... same old problems | 20:07 |
flexer | I think that the problem is with all release of connman. I need the ability of switch between different wired lan configuration | 20:07 |
npm | probably with static IP, right? | 20:07 |
npm | static IP causes the problems w/ connman 0.69 | 20:07 |
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flexer | right but not only | 20:07 |
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npm | and also the wired network, for me, was getting all manner of allocation errors etc which seem to be resolved by the new kernel | 20:08 |
flexer | really? | 20:08 |
flexer | how can upgrade to new kernel? | 20:08 |
flexer | I need download the 1.2 rc and reinstall? | 20:09 |
Stskeeps | gabrbedd: kernel-headers isn't the one used for kernel modules :) kernel-XXX-devel is :) | 20:09 |
npm | install 1.2 and then do zypper in http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/kernel/Trunk/i586/kernel-adaptation-pinetrail-2.6.38.2-9.1.i586.rpm | 20:09 |
Stskeeps | gabrbedd: kernel-headers is the user space facing headers | 20:09 |
flexer | then I need a fresh install of 1.2? | 20:10 |
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gabrbedd | Stskeeps: Doh! My bad. | 20:13 |
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flexer | npm: is there a way of upgrade system without fresh reinstall? | 20:13 |
npm | probably. or install the new kernel and see what hapens. the old kernel should still be there and if you comment out the "hiddenmenu" in /boot/grub/grub.conf | 20:14 |
npm | you can switch between the different boot options | 20:14 |
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flexer | no problem for grub. I've grub from sabayon for manage meego, snow and sabayon. Now I go to try. | 20:15 |
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flexer | npm: just one more question. What do you mean with "and then do zypper in http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/kernel/Trunk/i586/kernel-adaptation-pinetrail-2.6.38.2-9.1.i586.rpm" | 20:16 |
npm | well that'll just directly install the kernel on your system, updating grub, etc. | 20:17 |
flexer | did you mean download the rpm and then zypper install? | 20:17 |
npm | you probably need to update everything else to 1.2 as well... i did my upgrade "live" by changing /etc/zypp/repos.d | 20:18 |
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npm | then do sudo zypper clean --all ; sudo zypper --gpg-auto-import-keys refresh ; sudo zypper up | 20:19 |
npm | but don't blindly update everything. (for example I skipped 'setup' and 'filesystem' as i didn't want things overwritten | 20:20 |
flexer | I dont know how to direct /etc/zypp/repos.d to new repositories | 20:21 |
npm | e.g. edit baseurl=http://download.meego.com/snapshots/latest/repos/oss/ia32/packages | 20:21 |
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npm | instead of whatever it's pointing at. | 20:21 |
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npm | then whenever you want to refresh to the latest, redo the clean/refresh and update again | 20:22 |
flexer | ok I try | 20:23 |
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npm | by the way I also haul in all of Fedora and RPMFusion the same way -- http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem -- (in case you want to try installing networkmanager on meego).... | 20:26 |
delac | well, no luck with that. so I'm still wondering how I could enable my Huawei 3G stick? | 20:26 |
npm | delac: http://www.netbooks.ph/forums/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2220 ?? | 20:29 |
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npm | let us know if you get it working | 20:30 |
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flexer | @npm: thank you for your help but I think it's too difficult for me. I wait for a 1.2 official release | 20:30 |
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delac | npm: I really don't see how that relates to my problem? | 20:32 |
dneary | stefanoP, Ping? | 20:32 |
dneary | stefanoP, Do you know if Adam ever comes on IRC? | 20:33 |
dneary | Or am I mixing up stezz and stefanoP? | 20:33 |
Stskeeps | think you are | 20:34 |
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Stskeeps | dneary: btw, you were talking about irc dashboard? | 20:39 |
dneary | Stskeeps, Yes | 20:39 |
Stskeeps | dneary: we have supybot and ircbot vm set up now, meetingbot runs there now | 20:40 |
Stskeeps | what things would you like rom it? | 20:40 |
Stskeeps | from | 20:40 |
dneary | Stskeeps, I have a Supybot parser | 20:40 |
dneary | Stskeeps, So just a regular URL where I can get the day's logs would be great | 20:40 |
Stskeeps | ok | 20:40 |
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* Stskeeps sends himself a todo to set up proper logging | 20:41 | |
Stskeeps | we have irclogs.meego.com now | 20:41 |
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CosmoHill | Stskeeps: cool | 20:47 |
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CosmoHill | Stskeeps: will that contain all of the logs from this channel or just #meego-meeting? | 20:48 |
Stskeeps | will evolve to have centralized logs | 20:48 |
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matth_gyver | i'd like install meego (in-vehicle) on a laptop but the installer don't see my hard drive :-/ | 20:54 |
matth_gyver | any one know what ? | 20:54 |
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flexer | @npm: I've modded repos.d to point to new repositories. Now it want upgrade 589 packets. How can neglige "setup" and "filesystem" from upgrade? | 20:56 |
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gabrbedd | matth_gyver: Perhaps try the IVI ML or IRC channel (if they have one). | 20:56 |
gabrbedd | matth_gyver: Their build is a tad different from the netbook/handset/tablet builds. | 20:56 |
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npm | flexer: i just take the list of packages it wants to upgrade, hand edit out the ones i want to skip, and then do "zypper up $list" where $list is set to the 587 packages you want to upgrade | 20:59 |
npm | (is there a zypper "blacklist" feature to force skipping certain packages) | 20:59 |
flexer | ? | 21:00 |
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matth_gyver | gabrbedd: thanx, i'd like use the forum but there's some proleme with my mail address. I'll try the ML if I found it | 21:01 |
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flexer | @npm: I've noticed "addlock, al" for skyp package. do you think it could be usefull? | 21:02 |
npm | no idea what that is | 21:03 |
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njain | hey all.. | 21:06 |
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Stskeeps | evening | 21:06 |
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flexer | npm: I've made "sudo zypper addlock setup" and sudo zypper addlock filesystem" and now these two packets are skipped. I'm going to upgrade. I cross my finger. | 21:08 |
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njain | is meego stable enough to flash my N900 with? | 21:09 |
njain | should I take the chance.. | 21:09 |
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flexer | npm: after the upgrade was completed I've to do zypper in http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/kernel/Trunk/i586/kernel-adaptation-pinetrail-2.6.38.2-9.1.i586.rpm | 21:10 |
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npm | flexer: thanks for teaching me about the "addlock" subcommand | 21:13 |
npm | well that would be for the "second stage" (rebooting into it). | 21:14 |
flexer | for nothing | 21:14 |
npm | ^^ pinetrail kernel | 21:14 |
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npm | first, after upgrade, i suggest a quick sanity check: sudo init 3 ; sudo init 5 | 21:14 |
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npm | that'll at least tell you if the GUI upgrade survived and give you something to type into in case it hasn't | 21:15 |
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npm | after confirming/fixing any issues with starting up the GUI, then try rebooting into pinetrail kernel | 21:16 |
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flexer | confirm me the step. I wait for upgrade, then I install kernel; then init 3 init 5, then reboot. Right? | 21:17 |
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npm | the alternative is to setup an "init 3" boot of the kernel; that way, booting into a non-running GUI won't give you an infinite loop of restarts | 21:17 |
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npm | you could init3/init 5 first to see if the GUI survived | 21:18 |
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npm | then worry about kernel update and reboot last | 21:18 |
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flexer | ok I'll do when my update finish | 21:18 |
npm | also suggest looking for and fixing any RPMNEWs and RPMSAVES that the upgrade may write | 21:18 |
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flexer | thank you for your support. I'll inform you about (I hope) | 21:19 |
npm | sure. by the way, no guarantees any of this will work. it worked for me, that's all i know. | 21:19 |
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npm | but as configured, it works very well for me, and runs everything I would run on a Fedora system, but runs insanely fast on this puny Lenovo s10-3t with only 1G of memory... thus "win" | 21:22 |
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npm | (helps to have an SSD installed) | 21:23 |
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npm | interesting idea: http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/27/visa-makes-a-strategic-investment-in-disruptive-mobile-payments-startup-square/ | 21:50 |
npm | credit card swiper that plugs into your analog headphone/mic port | 21:50 |
ali1234 | so exactly the same tech that thieves have been using for years? | 21:51 |
jedix | only now with iphone support! | 21:52 |
ali1234 | hopefully the sony mess will discourage people from using these braindead payment systems | 21:53 |
jedix | how will the sony mess do that? | 21:53 |
jedix | psn used credit cards | 21:53 |
ali1234 | people might think twice before typing their credit card details into every electronic device they own | 21:53 |
npm | well credit cards are a joke.... some extra level of certification/verification might help ( i worked at verifone on their credit card devices ) | 21:53 |
ali1234 | and people might go back to visiting the local video rental store instead of using netflix | 21:54 |
jedix | I think if there was an option to upload credit card information to the cloud to `make payments easier`, many people would use it | 21:54 |
ali1234 | jedix: there already is that option | 21:55 |
npm | credit cards are a "something you have" what's missing is "something you know" | 21:55 |
jedix | on the cloud? how so? | 21:55 |
ali1234 | see itunes, psn, and anything that uses paypal | 21:55 |
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npm | but that's what the electronic services provide | 21:55 |
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ali1234 | don't forget android market and ovi too | 21:56 |
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npm | now all they need is a retinal scanner and we'd be good to go :-/ | 21:57 |
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jedix | I'd use an rsa key vob.. but that was last months security breach | 21:57 |
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ali1234 | online payment systems like PSN won;t be truly same until we have ubiquitous and unbreakable DRM end to end from the user machines all the way to the servers | 21:58 |
espen77 | atleast ovi you can choose to put it on the phonebill | 21:58 |
ali1234 | and you can bet that many many companies will try to use this incident to sell their solution (which will be neither ubiquitous nor unbreakable, but *will* be annoying) | 21:59 |
ali1234 | espen77: putting it on the phonebill is no better than CC, it may be worse if you pay the bill by direct debit | 22:00 |
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npm | meego seems one step closer to achieving this... .. just noticed this package: trousers : Trousers is an implementation of the Trusted Computing Group's Software Stack ... TPM hardware can create, store and use RSA keys securely (without ever being exposed in memory) | 22:02 |
espen77 | atleast no info to enter when doing phonebill, i would think it is a more secure system sins no extra information is sendt and stored | 22:02 |
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* npm wonders who is using said 'trousers' package in meego, and what for | 22:02 | |
* npm finds http://trousers.sourceforge.net/faq.html despite terrible googling for said item | 22:05 | |
ali1234 | espen77: yes i'lll give you that - at least they won't be able to get loads of new CCs with your name on | 22:05 |
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mikhas | heya jbos - normal firefox doesnt even work with custom GTK+ input contexts? | 22:07 |
delac | I managed to get the Huawei to show in Networks Tab by installing usb-modeswitch packages. However now it doesnt seem to be able to connect to the network. The light in the huawei will always blink green (2g) rather than blue (3g). However if I plug the huawei in to my desktop computer, it gets 3g connection. Thoughts? | 22:08 |
ali1234 | delac: i know that network manager (what you probably use on desktop) has *loads* of quirks code for those 3g dongles | 22:09 |
ali1234 | but meego does not use network manager, so probably lacks that quirks code | 22:09 |
delac | ali1234: well, now it does blink blue time to time, but still doesn connect... sigh. Any way to import those quirks into meego? :) | 22:12 |
ali1234 | no idea | 22:12 |
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ali1234 | try to connect manually | 22:12 |
ali1234 | ie install minicom, send AT commands by hand | 22:12 |
ali1234 | or picocom or whatever is used in meego | 22:12 |
thiago_home | cat | 22:12 |
thiago_home | and echo | 22:12 |
ali1234 | seriously? | 22:13 |
thiago_home | I might be | 22:13 |
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thiago_home | I don't know if minicom or picocom are packaged | 22:13 |
delac | or maybe if I just file a bug...? :) | 22:13 |
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thiago_home | yes, to connman | 22:13 |
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delac | how do I echo AT to ttyUSB2? | 22:17 |
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thiago_home | echo AT > /dev/ttyUSB2 | 22:18 |
delac | hmm, it didn't seem to react to that... | 22:18 |
gabrbedd | thiago_home: How do you get the reply? `tail -f /dev/ttyUSB2` ?? | 22:19 |
thiago_home | yes, in another terminal :-) | 22:19 |
Stskeeps | isn't there a 'chat' program? | 22:19 |
Stskeeps | :P | 22:19 |
Stskeeps | or something | 22:19 |
delac | cat ttyUSB2 | 22:19 |
Stskeeps | i'm having acid pppd flashbacks | 22:19 |
thiago_home | chat isn't for that | 22:19 |
thiago_home | chat is send this, expect that | 22:19 |
delac | in another terminal | 22:20 |
gabrbedd | Stskeeps: my wife and I used to date over `talk` | 22:20 |
gabrbedd | :-) | 22:20 |
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thiago_home | gabrbedd: the IRC predecessor :-) | 22:20 |
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gabrbedd | thiago_home: We did IRC, too... over BITNET. But talk was more private. | 22:21 |
thiago_home | oh, wow, bitnet | 22:21 |
thiago_home | I remember using that in 92 | 22:21 |
gabrbedd | thiago_home: Yep. This was 93. | 22:21 |
ali1234 | minicom is in the repos btw, i just checked | 22:22 |
ali1234 | in fact it appears to be installed by default on netbook | 22:22 |
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lbt | alterego: ping | 22:55 |
alterego | Aloha | 22:56 |
alterego | Yes, I know, I'm sad and I have no life | 22:56 |
lbt | ha ... look who you're talking to! | 22:56 |
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alterego | :) What can I do for you :) | 22:56 |
lbt | well ... I want to make a plugin for the OBS ... | 22:56 |
alterego | Okay, which runs Rails ;) | 22:56 |
lbt | yup | 22:57 |
alterego | Think I see where this is going :) | 22:57 |
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lbt | I want a per-project plugin : eg https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Albt | 22:58 |
lbt | no, that's wrong | 22:58 |
lbt | I want a plugin that will add functionality which I'd like displayed on a project page | 22:58 |
alterego | m'kay | 22:59 |
lbt | eg https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=Project%3ADE%3ATrunk%3ATesting | 22:59 |
alterego | I've not really looked into the obs code much | 22:59 |
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lbt | understood | 22:59 |
alterego | s/much/at all/ :) | 22:59 |
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lbt | I think it's a normal rails app - complex but normal | 22:59 |
lbt | so first : is this a rails thing? | 22:59 |
lbt | or is it likely to be an OBS thing ? | 23:00 |
alterego | I'd imagine it's a Rails thing | 23:00 |
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lbt | https://gitorious.org/opensuse/build-service/trees/master/src/webui - fyi | 23:00 |
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alterego | You want to make your own planel thing? | 23:00 |
lbt | just so you can see the file structure | 23:01 |
lbt | yes | 23:01 |
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alterego | Y?es, that is a rails app | 23:01 |
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alterego | Looks like it taks to a database, though only for session management. | 23:01 |
lbt | there's a partner 'api' app too | 23:02 |
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alterego | docs? | 23:02 |
phaeron | b | 23:03 |
lbt | I think this: https://gitorious.org/opensuse/build-service/trees/master/src/webui/app/views/project is where the code I'm interested in is | 23:03 |
phaeron | err sorry | 23:03 |
lbt | alterego: hah... code | 23:03 |
alterego | Yes, app/views is where all the html/* template code is | 23:03 |
alterego | You'll also want to look under app/controllers for the "projects" controller, which is where you want to make our data available. | 23:04 |
alterego | And you'll want to look in app/models for accessing all the business logic for OBS | 23:04 |
alterego | app/models basically should contain all the business logic for the application, app/controllers contains the ux logic and app/views is the display. | 23:04 |
alterego | Standard MVC architecture. | 23:04 |
lbt | *nod* | 23:05 |
Venemo | heya | 23:05 |
Venemo | lcuk, any news? :) | 23:05 |
alterego | Hey Venemo :) | 23:05 |
Venemo | hey alterego, what's up? :) | 23:05 |
alterego | Not a lot | 23:05 |
alterego | Same old really, working hard, working on meego, getting stressed out :) | 23:06 |
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lbt | ok ... and in the html... https://gitorious.org/opensuse/build-service/blobs/master/src/webui/app/views/project/monitor.html.erb#line10 | 23:06 |
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lcuk | hi Venemo, yeah I have been banging head about bug 16609 today | 23:06 |
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MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16609 nor, Undecided, ---, liquid, NEW, [N900 DE] Daily testing server does not include changelog | 23:06 |
lbt | mmm OK ... | 23:06 |
alterego | lbt: why don't you give me an example of a bit of information you want presented on the project page :) | 23:07 |
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alterego | And I'll talk you through what I'd do. | 23:07 |
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lbt | OK ,. step back | 23:07 |
lbt | BOSS is a workflow engine | 23:07 |
boss | lbt: Error: "is" is not a valid command. | 23:07 |
lbt | shut it | 23:07 |
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alterego | Hahah | 23:07 |
alterego | Right | 23:08 |
phaeron | step back it'll blow up | 23:08 |
lolloo | i cant seem to enter meego . it starts logo shows and then after that black screen | 23:08 |
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lolloo | n900 here | 23:08 |
lbt | so. when OBS emits events we launch a workflow | 23:08 |
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Venemo | lcuk, and any success with the packaging stuff we've talked about earlier? | 23:08 |
alterego | lolloo: can you ask in #meego-arm | 23:08 |
lbt | each project has a number of events it can emit: BUILD_SUCCESS, REQUEST_DECLINED | 23:08 |
lolloo | am using daily image DE | 23:08 |
lolloo | ok | 23:08 |
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alterego | Sure | 23:08 |
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lbt | now. I'd like each of those events to have/open a textarea with some text in it | 23:09 |
lbt | that text comes from a 'database' | 23:09 |
lbt | (eg a filesystem layout or redis or something) | 23:09 |
lbt | so given : https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=Project%3ADE%3ATrunk%3ATesting | 23:10 |
lbt | there'd be an additional 'tab' next to Overview / Packages / Monitor | 23:10 |
lbt | that says "Workflow" | 23:10 |
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lbt | and when I open it: there are like 15 textarea boxes... 1 for each event | 23:11 |
lbt | (UI can be improved later) | 23:11 |
lbt | http://pastie.org/1840684 | 23:11 |
lbt | ^^ is the content of a simple one | 23:12 |
alterego | Ah | 23:12 |
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lbt | so .. not wanting to do this 'tonight' | 23:13 |
alterego | :) | 23:14 |
lbt | more a sanity check to see what approach to take | 23:14 |
lbt | I don't think this is suitable for upstream yet | 23:14 |
lbt | so I need to maintain it as a patch or something | 23:14 |
alterego | Well, I'd play with app/views first, get it looking like you want, then we can talk about getting it actually working through the contorller. | 23:14 |
lbt | that's ugly | 23:14 |
alterego | Yeah .. | 23:14 |
lbt | so I'm looking to see if I can install the app and install some code somewhere to 'plugin' | 23:15 |
lbt | now... OBS uses themes | 23:15 |
lbt | which I think is rails again | 23:15 |
alterego | Rails doesn't have any concept of "themes" | 23:15 |
lbt | so I think I can override by installing a theme which overrides some key things | 23:15 |
lbt | damne | 23:15 |
lbt | OK - that's an OBS-ism then | 23:15 |
lbt | it seems to have a search path for erb files? | 23:16 |
alterego | You could create all your view code in a "partial" which is basically a small .html.erb file | 23:16 |
lbt | https://gitorious.org/opensuse/build-service/blobs/master/src/webui/app/views/project/_tabs.html.erb | 23:16 |
alterego | Then you can just include that file from the projects/*.html.erb file you want it included. | 23:16 |
alterego | That means your patch on upstream will be a single line. | 23:16 |
lbt | *nod* | 23:16 |
alterego | That's a partial, anything starting with _*.html.erb is basically a fragment of commonly used HTML logic/code | 23:17 |
lbt | in this case the menubar | 23:17 |
alterego | files without the leading underscore are "views" which are generally entire pages. | 23:17 |
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lbt | which I *think* I can override using their theme thing... which means I may be able to 'plugin' | 23:17 |
alterego | If you look under app/layouts and if there's an "application.html.erb" that is the main (global) template that is applied to every page. | 23:17 |
alterego | In that application.html.erb page there will be a line that looks somewhat like: <%= yield -%> | 23:18 |
alterego | That basically tells rails to load in the app/views/*/*.html.erb files depending on the controller/action being viewed. | 23:18 |
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lbt | mmm I think they don't do that: https://gitorious.org/opensuse/build-service/blobs/master/src/webui/app/views/project/monitor.html.erb | 23:19 |
lbt | is the monitor page | 23:19 |
lbt | which is one of the 'tabs' | 23:19 |
lbt | line 10 has the call to the partial | 23:19 |
alterego | Yeah, you're right, | 23:19 |
alterego | They probably stick all the generic template stuff in partials and just include it whereever. | 23:20 |
alterego | Very php way of doings things ... | 23:20 |
lbt | *g* | 23:20 |
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* lbt does not detect a compliment there | 23:21 | |
alterego | :) | 23:21 |
alterego | bloody website designers :P | 23:21 |
alterego | I wonder what a professional website designer would think of my code. | 23:21 |
lbt | hehe ... yeah. I cringe every time I think someone looks at my python | 23:22 |
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lbt | OK - this is good I think I'm going to go do a PoC... | 23:22 |
alterego | Well, I have issues about my own code, but then I look at others' and I'm like, wow, my standards must be quite high ... | 23:23 |
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lbt | I just accept the fact that I'm a good designer and not a great coder :) | 23:23 |
alterego | :) | 23:23 |
lbt | so, my code sucks... fixing it gives you a job ! | 23:24 |
alterego | I accept the fact I'm a good head banger :D | 23:24 |
alterego | Hah | 23:24 |
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lbt | OK - thanks ... I'll yell when I get stuck. | 23:25 |
alterego | :) | 23:26 |
alterego | I'll be around .. | 23:26 |
alterego | Tomorrow ... :) | 23:26 |
delac | how do I quickly change window within zone? | 23:27 |
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