IRC log of #meego for Wednesday, 2011-04-27

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fiferboylcuk: Let me know what birds you see00:10
fiferboyI'm off00:10
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lcukfiferboy, is it a simple grpe "g/birds/historic_phones/" to turn your app into something else?00:11
lcukgrep ^00:11
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fiferboylcuk: Unfortunately, no00:11
fiferboyThere is some fairly birding specific stuff in there00:11
fiferboyI wish I had time to make it more generic :|00:11
lcukheh00:12
lcukspeaking of birds00:12
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fiferboyWell, maybe it isn't as specific as I think00:12
lcukwe went to wildlife gardens00:12
fiferboyI'll take a look again tnoght :)00:12
lcukand saw a whole bunch of birds00:12
lcukwhen we got back Jacob was asking what each was00:12
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fiferboyThere is a calling for Auto Bird ID app :)00:12
fiferboySend me pictures and I'll let you know00:13
lcukthere was a great cockatoo called Monty :)00:13
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lcuk(I took a photo of the badge for that one lol)00:13
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lcukfiferboy, auto regognition would be really really tricky wouldn't it?00:14
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lcukasimo has something similar built in afaik00:14
fiferboylcuk: Oh yeah.  Manual identification can be hard enough some times!00:14
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lcuklol seeing the hardships lardman has had with his barcode app over the time it is no wonder00:15
lcukcomputers have trouble recognising computers!00:15
* lcuk stops talking to himself00:15
aukelbt: from 1.3 on we hope to have system upgrades supported in one form or another00:17
aukelbt: but, needs a ton of work00:18
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alteregoSweet, incoming call now triggers my UI to display a nice incoming call overlay with answer and reject buttons :)00:18
alteregolcuk: I can now make and receive calls :)00:18
lbtauke: OK - good to have an idea of timeframes00:18
lcukalterego, double plus hotness!00:19
lcukmake some calls then!00:19
alteregolcuk: yeah, need to continue integrating things, basically all the other call functions like speaker/headset switching, conference calls, muting/holding, and all of that stuff.00:20
* lcuk can be onhand to help test if you like :)00:20
alteregoThere's also this neat function to forward calls to any msisdn/number you want.00:20
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alteregolcuk: I will be making it public real soon. I was hoping to push it out tonight, but I've been wrestling all this afternoon trying to get dbus interfaces to work in Qml I'm quite behind, but I've been given a bit of leeway so I can work on dialer tomorrow and thursday.00:21
alteregoSo I'm hoping to make a _lot_ of progress and probably have a version ready for integration by then :)00:22
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lcukthat sounds like great progress :)00:22
lcukalterego, how do you see yourself behind?00:23
alteregoWell, you know, you make plans of where you'd like to be by the end of the day and if I'm not there I kinda feel like I've wasted time.00:24
* lcuk agrees00:24
alteregoAnd wrestling with the dbus stuff all afternoon and this evening, when I was receiving calls this morning during the DE meeting, just seems like very little progress ;)00:24
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lcukwhen coding I like to reach a level00:24
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lcukso that I can carry on with the next bit in the morning00:25
alteregoBut, well, it's 10:30pm almost and I've got to pretty much where I wanted to be ^.^00:25
lcukheh00:25
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alteregoTomorrow I want to get prestarting sorted, so the UI pops up even if the app isn't open00:26
alteregoWhich I'm hoping will be very little work.00:27
alteregoWhich leaves the rest of the day to refine the UX and make things look a little prettier :)00:27
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sp3000also things like "oh, let us take two days to resolve a ticket to say your arms request failed on some vague technical intermittence and you get to resubmit your request yourself"01:00
sp3000and "oh we can't deliver a f*n standard configuration laptop in less than about two weeks01:01
sp3000"01:01
sp3000but that's all normal :)01:02
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sp3000I got my passport quickly though01:02
sp3000maybe we should outsource IT to the police01:02
sp3000also "my irc client has too many tabs and I fail to notice when it's not opening new ones for pmsg"01:04
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gabrbeddsp3000: :-)01:05
* gabrbedd was wondering....01:05
lbtsp3000: having a good rant there ? :)01:05
* sp3000 needs to do a round of channel purging01:05
sp3000lbt: *shrug* normal work day ;)01:06
lbt*nod*01:06
lbtwell.... c.obs is now upgraded01:06
auke<- just for kicks, made a systemd+xfce-4.8 meego image :)01:06
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lbt'night all01:15
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berndhsnight01:16
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CosmoHillbye01:16
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* CosmoHill hasn't had a very productive day :(01:23
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berndhsme neither01:24
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alteregog'night folks01:24
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berndhsi'm stuck on some stupid things01:24
berndhsnight alterego01:24
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CosmoHillme too01:26
CosmoHillI've re-written a large portion of my assignment and improved it01:26
CosmoHillbut I've become stuff on the section that I've not done / done little on because there's nothing / little to improve, and I work by constantly redoing stuff to make it better01:26
berndhsim getting some crashes from memory corruption01:27
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berndhsand keep looking at my code to work around it01:27
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berndhscant figure out where it comes from, beta stuff in fedora probably01:28
CosmoHillmy dissertation is to compare and constrast windows and linux HPC solutions but I've only been able to run 2 / 3 tests on performace01:28
CosmoHillI really need to mention what bastards both platforms are when they have to share compute nodes01:29
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berndhsdoes windows do multi-user properly now ?01:29
berndhsyou would need that01:29
CosmoHillhttp://black-flag.co.uk/Picture 13.png01:29
berndhsyou have spaces in file names there ?01:30
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CosmoHillyeah01:30
CosmoHillneed to do something about that01:31
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CosmoHillooo, I have 500 podcasts :/01:31
berndhsmy irc client thinks the space is the end of the link01:31
berndhsnot entirely unreasonable01:31
CosmoHillmine too01:31
CosmoHillI was expecting it to put %20 instead of the sapce01:31
berndhshow would it know what the end is otherwise ?01:32
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CosmoHillhttp://black-flag.co.uk/Picture%2013.png01:32
berndhsyeah i understand that part :)01:32
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CosmoHillmy issue is that I've never used windows server before so everything is new to me01:33
CosmoHillany attempt to integrate the two platforms seems to kill linux01:33
berndhshow many windows supercomputers are the in the world ? 3 or so ?01:34
CosmoHill5 in the top50001:34
CosmoHillBull have 9 super computers in the top50001:34
berndhsi dont have any :)01:35
CosmoHillI have something that looks like a cluster and sounds like a cluster by crashes like a pissed off windows XP install01:35
CosmoHillbut*01:35
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berndhsi worked on some supercomputers long ago, on mapping computaions to them that dont really fit01:36
CosmoHill10 of the 16 windows nodes have decided that they no longer want to accept HPC work and fail diagnostics and all tests I have run on windows have removed themselfs01:36
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berndhshmm01:37
CosmoHillthe biggest problem is that I'm a student, therefore I do bugger all work until the deadline is near01:37
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berndhsi had that problem in my first semester in the US01:37
CosmoHillit's due in in 6 days and I don't fancy doing a full compute node reinstall cos windows is a bitch01:37
berndhscoming from canada, i didnt really do anything until thanksgiving01:38
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CosmoHilllol01:38
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berndhsforgot that US thanksgiving is a month later01:38
berndhsand it wasnt a semester, it was a quarter01:38
CosmoHilloh dear...good thing you weren't studying in the UK, we don't eve have thanks giving01:38
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berndhsthat would have been ok01:39
berndhsi was jsut used to goofing off while the weather was nice01:39
CosmoHillI'm currently paying $5430 USD but fees go up in 2012 to $13,500 USD :/01:39
berndhsthis doesnt work in souther california01:40
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berndhsi had funding almost all the time, so was ok01:40
berndhsotherwise nobody can afford it01:40
CosmoHillI get 1200 USD back a year just for going to my lesions that I pay for :/01:41
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berndhsi was getting paid $800 a month for teaching01:41
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CosmoHillthat's more than I've earned my whole time at uni01:42
berndhsfor 800 there you can afford 2 of transportation, housing and food01:43
berndhsany 2 of the 3 you want01:43
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CosmoHillI live with my parents and bike to uni01:43
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CosmoHillyou can't really do that tho01:43
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berndhsbiking was no good, uphill both ways01:44
berndhsrfeally01:44
CosmoHillthere's a hill opposite the uni, the top of the hill is about the same level as our 3rd floor computing department01:45
berndhscampus was on a hill and I had to go over another one01:46
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berndhswish I had an opportunity to go back tehre, its real nice01:47
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CosmoHillonly issues I've had biking have been when I fell off cos that hurt, snow and flooding01:50
CosmoHillafter tuesday I'll be confused about what to do because I will have no more deadlines01:52
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berndhsi almost got hit by a biker once01:55
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berndhsin my car01:55
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berndhsat night, he had no lights, was going really fast01:56
berndhsno way I could see him, and no way he could miss me01:56
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CosmoHillI had it driving back from my friends there were two idiots on bikes riding down the road with no lights, the woman on the BMX had a big handbag on the handle bars02:01
CosmoHillwhen you ride a bike you keep over to the left of the road (or right if you drive on the right), to woman was riding all over the lane for no reason02:01
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berndhshere a lot of bikers have the attitude that if they get hit by a car, its the cars fault02:02
CosmoHillwe are talking about push bikes right?02:02
berndhsbycicles, not motor bikes02:02
CosmoHillgood, I'm a biker and my attitude is "it will hurt me a lot more than it will hurt them"02:03
berndhsright02:03
CosmoHillI wasn't pleased when two idiots came down the road, looked both ways and continued through the red light02:03
berndhsit may not be your fault, but it sure is your problem02:03
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berndhsi used to ride my bike a lot, jsut not up the hill to school02:04
berndhsbut not i live in canada again, too much snow, or too hot and humid02:05
berndhs4-6 weeks of nice weather a year02:05
CosmoHilluni is downhill from my house so I'm alright, issue comes when I ride home cos one I get there I don't wanna do any work02:07
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berndhsyes real workouts jsut to get home ruin your evening productivity :)02:08
berndhscheapest transportation in califonia was to ahve a cheap old car that you dont fix02:11
berndhscheaper than taking the bus02:11
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CosmoHillha02:15
berndhsmore of an adventure too, you never know if you will get there02:15
CosmoHillberndhs: do you use gallows on letres?02:15
CosmoHillor*02:15
berndhsamericans use gallons, small ones02:16
berndhscanadians use liters02:16
CosmoHillwhat measurement would you prefer?02:16
berndhsalso americans use lethal injection now, gallows went out decades ago02:16
berndhspersonally, i dont care02:16
CosmoHillit's $2.10 Candian for 1 litre02:16
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berndhsits less here, $1.50 or so02:17
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CosmoHill($2.20 UD)02:17
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CosmoHillwhat I really hate about petrol is that it goes up so fast02:17
berndhsstill a lot cheaper in the US, its all your taxes in europe02:17
CosmoHillgone up 5c / litre since I last topped up02:18
berndhsits bad enough here02:18
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CosmoHillI get 300 miles ish from 40 litres02:19
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CosmoHillI get about 12.7Km/L :/02:20
CosmoHilldamn, I use have a litre just to see my best friend02:21
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berndhsi got 30 miles per gallon in one of my cars in Utah, going straight all day at 80mph or so02:21
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berndhsprobably downhill though :)02:21
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CosmoHillamerica has a stupid nation speed limit iirc02:21
thiago_homeit's interesting how "miles per gallon" is very hard to have a meaning for metric people02:22
berndhsand i got 3 miles per gallon in the same car in traffic jams :)02:22
thiago_homenot very comparable02:22
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berndhsyeah its all backwards02:22
CosmoHillthiago_home: that's a point, berndhs US or UK gallons?02:22
thiago_homeyou take a different unit, divide by a different unit, so you have no idea what is good and what isn't02:22
berndhsUS gallony02:22
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thiago_homeworse if you're used to l/100 km, which is dimensionally the inverse02:22
CosmoHillthiago_home: I'm english so it's a bit worse here02:22
CosmoHillpetrol is sold in metric but the speed limit is in imperial02:23
berndhsmiles are ok for predicting time of arrival02:23
berndhs1 mile per minute02:23
thiago_home2 km per minute02:23
CosmoHillthe most stupid thing about the imperial system in the UK, it's not taught in schoools02:23
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berndhs2km per minute is really hard though02:24
thiago_homefor an average, yes02:24
berndhseven in germany02:24
TSCHAKeeejust remember, the median I.Q. is 100...02:24
TSCHAKeee:P02:25
CosmoHillokay I'm way too confused for this02:25
CosmoHillnight night02:25
berndhsnight cosmo02:25
TSCHAKeeeso half of the world can't divide by 2 very well :P02:25
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berndhsonly 3 kinds of people02:25
TSCHAKeeewhich probably, in some gonzo way, explains our worldwide economic crisis...02:25
berndhsthose who can count and those who cant02:25
aukenao02:26
auke10 kinds of people02:26
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TSCHAKeeethose who shifted left02:26
berndhsyeah in base 302:26
TSCHAKeeeand that's it02:26
TSCHAKeee:P02:26
aukein base 3, there's only 2 kinds of people...02:26
thiago_homethose who know ternary, those who don't and those who mistake it for binary?02:27
aukein base 2, there are 10 kinds of people02:27
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w00t_lol02:33
w00t_thiago_home: back in Oslo now?02:34
thiago_homeyes02:35
thiago_homestill in SP time, but off to bed now02:35
w00t_night o/02:35
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uhsfSony should have chosen MeeGo for their upcoming S1 and S2 devices. It would have distinguished them much more than some funky hardware designs. Android is so lame.04:13
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espen77i had a dual boot win7/ubuntu, when installing meego i chose to replace ubuntu, during the installation win partition was listed as bootloader option, but now when i boot i cant see any place to choose where to boot, any key to pres/hold to bring up boot menu?05:51
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ngharoespen77: i believe the bootloader timeout is very short05:53
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espen77might be set to 0,05:54
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ngharohave you tried "slam the UP key during boot repeatedly"05:54
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berndhsits probably 3 secs or something05:54
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espen77no, wasnt even sure what bootloader is used :)05:54
ngharoextlinux iirc05:55
ngharocheck /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf or something like that05:55
espen77k, ty...will look into it05:55
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espen77any idea when garage will be up and running?05:56
espen77also i run none english language, but translation is incompleete...where do i submitt translate sugestions?05:56
espen77like settings=instillinger05:57
berndhstry bugs.meego.com05:57
berndhsthere are things for enhancements and features05:58
espen77file translations as a bug?05:58
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berndhsthey file everthing as bugs05:58
berndhsbugs, features, weather reports, royal wedding05:59
espen77kinda used to ubuntu and launchpad, so it is kinda new to me :)05:59
espen77lol05:59
espen77meego seem to have improved a lot the past year...tried it a little when it first came out.06:01
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espen77i need to manually enable middle button scrolling from commandline everytime i starup, where would be the best place to auto run the commands at startup?06:05
berndhsat the moment you can put stuff in rc.local06:06
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berndhsdont know if that will work for future versions06:06
berndhsthats assuming it is system wide06:07
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espen77k, will try06:10
espen77ty06:10
berndhsim looking at their extlinux.conf06:10
berndhssays timeout 1 sec here06:10
berndhsand menu hidden06:10
berndhsso that doesnt give you much of a shot :P06:11
espen77ye, i increased it06:11
berndhsand comment out the hidden until you know what it does06:11
espen77i could not see gstreamer good/bad/ugly in zypper search....no coodecs awailable?06:12
berndhsdont know06:12
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gabrbeddberndhs: espen77  I think I saw somewhere that the timeout is x10 ms.06:19
berndhsis it ? could be06:20
gabrbeddSo a timeout of 1 is 10 ms.  (or maybe its 100 ms or something)06:20
gabrbeddAnyway... it's some factor of 10. :-)06:20
berndhsit goes really fast, they want quick boot06:20
berndhsand they like the 1st commandment, thou shalt now have any others06:20
gabrbeddThou shalt have no other OS's before MeeGo.06:22
gabrbeddAnd the number of thy counting shall be 106:22
TSCHAKeeeno more no less06:22
berndhsyeah thats the one06:22
TSCHAKeee3 is RIGHT OUT!06:22
TSCHAKeee:P06:22
gabrbeddThou shalt not count to 0, excepting that thou proceedest unto 1.06:23
espen77lol...unfortunently it is hard to escape win totually06:24
TSCHAKeeesometimes06:24
TSCHAKeeeI've been Windows fee in my daily routine since 1995.06:24
TSCHAKeeeI used my Amiga and NeXT machines longer than I used PCs with Microsoft software on them for daily use :P06:25
espen77i too only use it ocationally,06:25
berndhsi make win installers for some of my apps, for completeness06:26
* gabrbedd loves deleting Windows partitions and pealing the stickers off the lappy.06:26
berndhsshrinking windows partitions is fun too06:27
gabrbeddwhen it works.06:27
berndhsif it doesnt you can delete them :P06:28
gabrbedd:-)06:28
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amjadinteresting ,  http://www.paneve.com/Technology08:13
Stskeeps404?08:15
RST38hclick on Technology08:15
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Stskeepstoo early in morning08:16
Stskeeps:P08:16
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RST38hTo summarize, it is another company trying to make a flexible video controller08:16
RST38hOr video processor, to be exact08:16
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* Cherrot Hello everyone~09:06
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amjadhello09:07
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achipais it just me or has the LF gone mailing-list berserk ?09:55
achipaI got 8 monthly newsletters so fatr09:56
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Stskeepsi only got one09:56
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rzr1w10:39
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JaffaMorning, all11:15
Stskeepsmorn jafa11:15
Stskeeps+f11:15
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lcuk\o morning11:22
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RST38hmoorning indeed11:25
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alteregoJust got an email from the hyatt regency telling me the room is booked.11:30
Stskeepslike, to you?11:30
Stskeeps:P11:30
alteregoThis is what I'm wondering :S11:30
bilboedany updates on speakers getting a confirmation mail ?11:30
* bilboed is on the schedule but hasn't received any mail11:30
Stskeepsbilboed: if you haven't, contact meego-events@ mailing list11:30
alteregoYeah there was a cockup I believe11:32
Stskeepsbilboed: if you're on the list, you're in a really good spot no matter what :)11:32
* alterego still needs to raise funds for sf :S11:32
bilboedStskeeps, sure sure :)11:32
alteregoAnyone want to lend me a 1k? :)11:32
* lbt thought ... WTF ... arriving on the 5th!!!11:32
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Stskeeps5th?11:33
lbtalterego: I have loads of 1k (and 10k) aswell ... what wattage?11:33
Stskeeps:P11:33
lbtarriving on 05/20/201111:33
Stskeepsah11:33
lbtin teeny tiny type...11:33
lbtmeh11:33
alteregolbt: 1k GBP :P11:33
lbtah....11:33
lbtsure... what rate would suit ?  10% daily compounding?11:34
alteregoHah11:34
alterego0% apr but free rails development services? :)11:34
* lbt would use a CC contract if it helps ...11:34
Stskeepsalterego: watch out what you say..11:35
Stskeeps:P11:35
lbthmm11:35
* lbt does some math....11:35
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alteregoMight see if I can get a short term loan11:38
Stskeepswhen i was a student, banks were begging me to create debt11:39
Stskeepsthat scared me11:39
Stskeeps:P11:39
alteregoHeh11:39
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rzr1let me  point out the short movie "money as debt"11:41
rzr1worth to spend 10 min watching it11:41
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alteregoMight ask qgil if Nokia can subsidise me :D11:43
alteregoDo Nokia do loans? :D11:43
Stskeepsnot really, you'd like to avoid that situation :)11:43
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alteregoI could offer them the rights to my qml dialer :D11:45
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matmohi all. I'm installing the sdk and at the point of installing a runtime. What are the options with "-sda-"?12:03
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_|Nix|_Hey! What's the root password on meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.1.99.4.20110426.4.img?14:07
Stskeepsmeego, probably14:07
_|Nix|_Tried that.14:07
_|Nix|_Does su - even work?14:08
CosmoHillsu - will still require a password14:08
CosmoHilltry "sudo -s"14:08
_|Nix|_OK, I must've typed it wrong last time, cuz it worked this time.14:08
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Khertan_Hello !15:07
Stskeepslo Khertan_ :)15:07
Khertan_Stskeeps: what's new ?15:07
Stskeepsnot much, having fun with the DE work15:07
Stskeepsyou?15:07
Khertan_not much too :)15:07
Khertan_still playing with python15:08
Khertan_try to fix last bug in khweeteur-experimental15:08
Stskeeps:)15:09
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Khertan_about the DE edition, are you doing it as a hobby ? i mean not beeing employed to work on it ?15:12
StskeepsKhertan_: we're a bigger bunch of nokia people, subcontractors etc working on it paid and some volunteers15:13
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VenemoStskeeps, sounds like pretty serious business15:14
Stskeepsi wouldn't call it business15:15
Stskeeps:P15:15
Khertan_Stskeeps: yep i know that you aren't only one :) but did you personnally are you a paid volunteers for your work ?15:15
StskeepsKhertan_: i've been paid since starting as maemo.org distmaster15:16
Khertan_oh ... maybe i should follow a bit more the maemo news ... :)15:16
Stskeepswell, short-lived job15:16
Stskeeps:P15:16
Stskeepsmeego came along and there i went15:16
Khertan_yeah ...15:17
Stskeepsdid you try DE yet?15:17
Khertan_and which meego which will not be delivered now as a experimental product for Nokia it could be worse in futur :(15:18
Venemothe DE is wonderful. honestly, I didn't believe it until I saw if for myself :)15:18
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Khertan_Stskeeps: i ve try a previous version where i didn't pass the loading of the kernel15:18
Khertan_:)15:18
StskeepsKhertan_: ah, you should try the alpha release15:18
Khertan_hum ... i ll so15:18
Khertan_:)15:18
VenemoI can give it more testing when it'll have the ability to use a SIM with a PIN code15:19
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Venemoand in MeeGo DE, even the error messages are very funny15:19
ali1234this is installed same way as before... unpack and dd to sd card then boot with u-boot?15:20
Stskeepsyes15:20
ali1234ok going to try it15:20
VenemoStskeeps, when is the PIN entry option coming?15:20
ali1234oh wait... no download allowance left15:20
StskeepsVenemo: oh, right, i had an email to write15:20
Khertan_wahou ... difficult to found something with the search feature on the meego wiki15:21
Stskeepswiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition15:21
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alteregoIs sim code support for isi in ofono yet?15:23
Stskeepsi just pinged the developer who made a UI15:23
Khertan_Stskeeps: on http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/ReleaseProcess there is only the daily image :)15:23
StskeepsKhertan_: yeah15:24
Stskeepsgrab the one in the top of DeveloperEdition15:24
Stskeepsit actually works15:24
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Khertan_eta 2h45min ... ouch15:26
Stskeepswe even have it on a fast mirror :P15:26
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Khertan_Stskeeps: the problem is where am i :)15:27
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Khertan_Stskeeps: the connection is slow, overcharged, and unstable15:27
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Venemo[14:57] <SpeedEvil> Venemo: Intel have gone back to the moblin name IIRC16:05
Venemois that true?16:05
Stskeepsno16:05
Stskeepsin fact, they closed the mailing lists16:05
Venemowhat mailing lists?16:05
Stskeepsmoblin ones16:05
Venemoah :)16:06
Venemothanks16:06
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Stskeepsand the moblin irc channel16:06
Stskeepsit's all meego16:06
Venemoah, thanks :)16:06
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VenemoI have to go, will be back later16:10
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renatoX-Fade, Hi, I'm trying get pyside compiled to armv8 on Meego public OBS but I did see any target to meego 1.2. There is any trick to enable that, or this is not available yet?16:20
X-Faderenato: MeeGo:Trunk is a 1.2 snapshot.16:21
X-Fadefrom last week.16:21
OdyXrenato: pyside compiles on Debian's armhf in case :-)16:22
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renatoX-Fade, but I got a lot of unresolvable dependencies when trying compile pyside, like: nothing provides python-devel, nothing provides python-setuptools-devel, nothing provides rpm, nothing provides binutils, nothing provides gcc, nothing provides glibc, nothing provides rpm-build, nothing provides libtool16:22
StskeepsX-Fade: armv8el / armv7hl imported too?16:23
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X-FadeStskeeps: Yes.16:23
Stskeepshm16:23
renatoon the main OBS all works fine16:24
Stskeepsrenato: repo url please16:24
X-Faderenato: Ah, you build against MeeGo:1.2, right?16:24
X-Faderenato: That still needs a prjconf it seems.16:24
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renatoStskeeps,  this is from the main OBS: http://download.meego.com/live/home:/renatofilho/Trunk/16:26
X-Faderenato: You build against the wrong repo. meego_current_core is old.16:26
renatoX-Fade, which one is the correct?16:27
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renatoI did not see any meego 1.2 repository on the list16:27
X-Faderenato: I added the correct one to your project.16:28
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renatoX-Fade, yeah Thanks16:29
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Myrttiyou know what would be good? if the http://download.meego.com/ build images would have the md5sum on the directory too16:34
CosmoHillthat would be great, whenever I mirror a meego image I always provide the md5sum16:35
Myrttihttp://download.meego.com/trunk-daily/builds/trunk/latest/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.1.99.4.20110425.7.img didn't even boot for me and I don't know if the error is in the download or the image it self16:35
phaeronthere's anonymous rsync , you can use that to verify the file16:36
Myrttiand or course, bittorrent would be nice too16:37
Myrtti(says Miss-I-Will-Download-This-Bloody-Image-For-Three-Hours-Over-HTTP)16:37
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Myrttisorry, four hours16:39
Myrtti:-C16:39
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GAN900How did we decide to hack the nametags to include nicks?16:45
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gabrbeddGAN900: vote?  flipped coin?16:46
GAN900gabrbedd, i.e., what's the procedure for getting your nick to show up on the nametag.16:48
Stskeepsask on meego-events@?16:48
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fiferboyGAN900: My IRC name shows up on the attendee list16:56
fiferboyIt is probably used from there?16:56
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GAN900Dunno, wasn't last time.16:58
GAN900fiferboy, I loled at Bautista striking out swinging.17:00
fiferboyGAN900: Yeah, last time I hacked it on17:02
GAN900Then Shields catching him out at 1st was the little cherry on top.17:02
fiferboyDid you lol at his league leading home runs too? :P17:02
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GAN900Yeah, I loled because he got on base 11-for-12 for the series?17:03
fiferboyHehe17:03
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GAN900fiferboy, attendence figures are depressingly low. At least Tropicana is sort of small so it doesn't look as empty.17:05
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GAN900Rogers seemed really dead on Sunday17:05
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RST38hThose Americans and their baseball!17:06
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GAN900RST38h, Japanese, too!17:06
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RST38hGAN: And Cubans. hehe.17:06
GAN900At least we're not so bored watching futbol that we have to resort to stabbing each other. *g*17:07
RST38hGAN: Got guns for that.17:07
GAN900Yeah, pretty much all of Central and South American, and the Carribean.17:07
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RST38hActually, a really weird combination of locales. Although cricket world championship is probably even weirder.17:08
GAN900Nah, we just chase the other team's fans up on lightpoles and throw beer bottles at them until they fall off.17:08
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RST38hLeave them there until the morning!17:09
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StskeepsDawnFoster: is there a agenda for the TSG tomorrow or can I sleep in? :)17:49
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DawnFosterStskeeps: you can sleep in - there weren17:49
DawnFostert enough agenda items to have a meeting17:49
Stskeepsalright17:49
DawnFoster*goes to update wiki page*17:50
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lbtDawnFoster: https://meego.com/ -> MeeGo Planet section-> my post " MeeGo DE - *THAT* is how you do it .... " -> ???? very old link :)17:59
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Stskeepsisn't it normally ???. PROFIT?17:59
w00t_I wish18:00
* lbt investigates adwords...18:00
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DawnFosterlbt - yeah, weird18:00
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lbtit would be nice if meego news pointed to 'new' stuff... especially when one is making an effort to be supportive....18:00
lbtmeh18:00
Stskeepslbt: file a bug against planet.meego.com i guess18:01
Stskeepsit's bergie and co's area18:01
DawnFosterthe other stuff is new18:01
DawnFosterblogger feeds are complete crap18:01
DawnFosterI'm guessing it's a glitch in that one feed18:01
lbtOK - maybe I should find another home for my blog :)18:01
DawnFosterStskeeps: well, those are from the old planet18:01
DawnFosterplanet.meego.com is still working out some bugs18:02
timophall the feeds from blogspot do that18:02
Stskeepsah18:02
DawnFosterlbt - i recommend wordpress18:02
DawnFosterreliable, open source18:02
alteregoDawnFoster: any news on the community device programme?18:02
DawnFosterwe hope to have the application form up this week or early next week18:03
alteregoCool, for the third week running :P18:03
TSCHAKeee*chomp-at-bit*18:03
TSCHAKeee:P :)18:03
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alteregoI should probably get home and push my git commits18:05
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Khertan_Hi again18:23
Stskeepswb18:23
Khertan_Stskeeps: is it normal that after uboot install n900 still complain about insuffisant power to charge via usb ?18:24
Khertan_(running on maemo)18:24
Stskeepsnot sure, did you have PR1.3?18:25
Khertan_yep18:25
Khertan_and cssu alpha18:25
Stskeepsok18:25
Khertan_but same kernel18:25
Stskeepshaven't seen the insufficient power message except when in car :)18:25
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Khertan_hum ... so i ll try to economize battery :)18:32
Khertan_bye18:32
Khertan_and thx18:32
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CosmoHillisn't there big power management issues with Linux 2.6.38 and .39 ?18:38
DawnFosterlbt: Meego.com seems to be down? any idea why?18:40
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CosmoHillDawnFoster: huh, it worked an hour ago18:42
CosmoHillif you look up the IP address and type it in it gives you 40418:42
DawnFosteryeah, I was just on it and now i'm getting dns errors18:42
lbtDawnFoster: looking18:42
gabrbeddlbt: DawnFoster DNS issue.18:45
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gabrbeddLooks like ns1.linux-foundation.net has forgotten meego.com.  (But bugs.meego.com works ok)18:46
gabrbeddSo.... do we file a bug?  :-p18:46
lbtno, we're on it18:47
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* lbt mutters about LF18:47
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lbtshould be fixed ... may take 10min18:53
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lbtit appears that the LF dns servers are *still* not listening to zone xfers. If you use the maemo.org dns server it resolves18:57
lbtI'll ask Adam to raise it with LF again18:58
lbtDawnFoster: back for you now?18:59
DawnFosterlbt: yep, thanks18:59
gabrbeddlbt: here, too19:00
lbtnp - sorry. There was a typo in a DNS update for spf for the lists19:00
gabrbeddhasn't hit google, yet (8.8.8.8)19:00
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flexerHi all19:08
flexerI need help with multiple network connections19:09
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flexerI read something about carrick and connMan but I've not found anything about switch from home wired network ti19:10
flexerto work wired network with different parameter19:11
flexerIf I try to reconfigure network "on the fly", connman freeze19:11
flexeranyone could help me? I really need to switch between a lot of different wired network19:12
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flexerno one could help me?19:14
npmflexer: connman 0.69 is full of bugs and nearly unusable. try upgrading to connman 0.73 in http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/connectivity:/latest/Trunk/19:14
flexernpm thank you so much for your response. One question I'm on 1.1.4 release. I could anyway install 0.73?19:15
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npmsee https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13778 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13780 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13653  https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9007 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1555219:17
MeeGoBotBug 13778 maj, Medium, 1.1.90.4, martin.xu, ASSI, [upstream 0.71 has fixed]connection problems, page allocation failures19:17
MeeGoBotBug 13780 nor, Medium, 1.1.90.4, martin.xu, ASSI, Wired connection stops working when transferring lots of data19:17
MeeGoBotBug 13653 nor, Medium, 1.3, sameo, ASSI, ConnMan applet disconnect does not disconnect ipv619:17
MeeGoBotBug 9007 nor, High, ---, martin.xu, RESO WORKSFORME, [REG]network notification pop up about every 5 minutes19:17
MeeGoBotBug 15552 maj, High, ---, martin.xu, ASSI, [Upstream v-0.71 has fixed the issue]network fail to connect to internet with static IP for the seco19:17
npmflexer: oh sorry i've got 1.2 on the brain.19:17
flexerthank you again npm19:17
npmi believe the problem may have existed in 1.1 and caused by some upgrade to connman (0.69) that was broken19:18
flexercan I downgrade?19:18
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npmflexer: you can always try doing zypper in http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/connectivity:/latest/Trunk/i586/connman-0.73.33.g3a370e1-1.1.i586.rpm and save an old copy of the original RPM on your filesystem in case it doesn't work and you need to back out.19:19
npmthe worst that could happen is something breaks :-)19:20
flexerok. Thank you so much. I'm going to try19:20
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npmalso, connman crashes a lot, so if your network panel greys out, instead of rebooting just to "sudo connmand"19:22
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flexeroh npm. My problem is that it not work with "sudo connman". It freeze and I'm forced to reboot19:23
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GeneralAntillesWhen do we expect the sponsorship emails to all be out by?19:41
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matth_gyverhi all19:42
thiago_homethis week19:43
matth_gyveri'd like install meego (in-vehicle) on a laptop but the installer don't see my hard drive :-/19:43
GeneralAntillesOK, thanks.19:43
matth_gyverany one know what ?19:43
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flexer@ npm. I've trid to install connman 0.73 but not worked. I'm back on 0.69 now. Other ideas?19:46
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flexerSomeone know if there is a possibilities of installing NetworkManager on meego 1.1.4?19:47
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delacis it possible to use Huawei 3G stick with Meego? and how? It doesn't appear in the Networks Tab, but it is recognized by kernel. Nothing in dmesg looks like error...19:52
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jnwi&win 1019:53
jnwioops, sorry19:53
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flexer@delac. try here http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=284319:56
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delacflexer: thanks, I'll take a look of that.19:59
flexernothing20:00
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npmflexer: you might try downgrading to an older version than 0.69, like perhaps the original one that came w/ 1.120:02
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flexer@npm: I'm try to install networkManager from smeegol release20:03
npmsounds like even more of a pain...20:04
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npm1.2 "trunk" w/ the .38 kernel is pretty solid IMHO... might be less pain to just run that20:05
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npmand connman 0.7320:06
npmw/ the released connman 0.69 -- and 1.2 ... same old problems20:07
flexerI think that the problem is with all release of connman. I need the ability of switch between different wired lan configuration20:07
npmprobably with static IP, right?20:07
npmstatic IP causes the problems w/ connman 0.6920:07
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flexerright but not only20:07
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npmand also the wired network, for me, was getting all manner of allocation errors etc which seem to be resolved by the new kernel20:08
flexerreally?20:08
flexerhow can upgrade to new kernel?20:08
flexerI need download the 1.2 rc and reinstall?20:09
Stskeepsgabrbedd: kernel-headers isn't the one used for kernel modules :) kernel-XXX-devel is :)20:09
npminstall 1.2 and then do zypper in http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/kernel/Trunk/i586/kernel-adaptation-pinetrail-2.6.38.2-9.1.i586.rpm20:09
Stskeepsgabrbedd: kernel-headers is the user space facing headers20:09
flexerthen I need a fresh install of 1.2?20:10
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gabrbeddStskeeps: Doh!  My bad.20:13
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flexernpm: is there a way of upgrade system without fresh reinstall?20:13
npmprobably. or install the new kernel and see what hapens. the old kernel should still be there and if you comment out the "hiddenmenu" in /boot/grub/grub.conf20:14
npmyou can switch between the different boot options20:14
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flexerno problem for grub. I've grub from sabayon for manage meego, snow and sabayon. Now I go to try.20:15
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flexernpm: just one more question. What do you mean with "and then do zypper in http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/kernel/Trunk/i586/kernel-adaptation-pinetrail-2.6.38.2-9.1.i586.rpm"20:16
npmwell that'll just directly install the kernel on your system, updating grub, etc.20:17
flexerdid you mean download the rpm and then zypper install?20:17
npmyou probably need to update everything else to 1.2 as well... i did my upgrade "live" by changing /etc/zypp/repos.d20:18
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npmthen do sudo zypper clean --all ; sudo zypper --gpg-auto-import-keys refresh ; sudo zypper up20:19
npmbut don't blindly update everything. (for example I skipped 'setup' and 'filesystem' as i didn't want things overwritten20:20
flexerI dont know how to direct /etc/zypp/repos.d to new repositories20:21
npme.g. edit baseurl=http://download.meego.com/snapshots/latest/repos/oss/ia32/packages20:21
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npminstead of whatever it's pointing at.20:21
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npmthen whenever you want to refresh to the latest, redo the clean/refresh and update again20:22
flexerok I try20:23
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npmby the way I also haul in all of Fedora and RPMFusion the same way -- http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem -- (in case you want to try installing networkmanager on meego)....20:26
delacwell, no luck with that. so I'm still wondering how I could enable my Huawei 3G stick?20:26
npmdelac: http://www.netbooks.ph/forums/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2220 ??20:29
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npmlet us know if you get it working20:30
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flexer@npm: thank you for your help but I think it's too difficult for me. I wait for a 1.2 official release20:30
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delacnpm: I really don't see how that relates to my problem?20:32
dnearystefanoP, Ping?20:32
dnearystefanoP, Do you know if Adam ever comes on IRC?20:33
dnearyOr am I mixing up stezz and stefanoP?20:33
Stskeepsthink you are20:34
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Stskeepsdneary: btw, you were talking about irc dashboard?20:39
dnearyStskeeps, Yes20:39
Stskeepsdneary: we have supybot and ircbot vm set up now, meetingbot runs there now20:40
Stskeepswhat things would you like rom it?20:40
Stskeepsfrom20:40
dnearyStskeeps, I have a Supybot parser20:40
dnearyStskeeps, So just a regular URL where I can get the day's logs would be great20:40
Stskeepsok20:40
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* Stskeeps sends himself a todo to set up proper logging20:41
Stskeepswe have irclogs.meego.com now20:41
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CosmoHillStskeeps: cool20:47
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CosmoHillStskeeps: will that contain all of the logs from this channel or just #meego-meeting?20:48
Stskeepswill evolve to have centralized logs20:48
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matth_gyver i'd like install meego (in-vehicle) on a laptop but the installer don't see my hard drive :-/20:54
matth_gyverany one know what ?20:54
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flexer@npm: I've modded repos.d to point to new repositories. Now it want upgrade 589 packets. How can neglige "setup" and "filesystem" from upgrade?20:56
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gabrbeddmatth_gyver: Perhaps try the IVI ML or IRC channel (if they have one).20:56
gabrbeddmatth_gyver: Their build is a tad different from the netbook/handset/tablet builds.20:56
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npmflexer: i just take the list of packages it wants to upgrade, hand edit out the ones i want to skip, and then do "zypper up $list" where $list is set to the 587 packages you want to upgrade20:59
npm(is there a zypper "blacklist" feature to force skipping certain packages)20:59
flexer?21:00
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matth_gyvergabrbedd: thanx, i'd like use the forum but there's some proleme with my mail address. I'll try the ML if I found it21:01
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* gabrbedd often forgets that there is such a thing as a "forum"21:02
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flexer@npm: I've noticed "addlock, al" for skyp package. do you think it could be usefull?21:02
npmno idea what that is21:03
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njainhey all..21:06
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Stskeepsevening21:06
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flexernpm: I've made "sudo zypper addlock setup" and sudo zypper addlock filesystem" and now these two packets are skipped. I'm going to upgrade. I cross my finger.21:08
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njainis meego stable enough to flash my N900 with?21:09
njainshould I take the chance..21:09
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flexernpm: after the upgrade was completed I've to do zypper in http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/kernel/Trunk/i586/kernel-adaptation-pinetrail-2.6.38.2-9.1.i586.rpm21:10
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npmflexer: thanks for teaching me about the "addlock" subcommand21:13
npmwell that would be for the "second stage" (rebooting into it).21:14
flexerfor nothing21:14
npm^^ pinetrail kernel21:14
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npmfirst, after upgrade, i suggest a quick sanity check: sudo init 3 ; sudo init 521:14
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npmthat'll at least tell you if the GUI upgrade survived and give you something to type into in case it hasn't21:15
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npmafter confirming/fixing any issues with starting up the GUI, then try rebooting into pinetrail kernel21:16
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flexerconfirm me the step. I wait for upgrade, then I install kernel; then init 3 init 5, then reboot. Right?21:17
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npmthe alternative is to setup an "init 3" boot of the kernel; that way, booting into a non-running GUI won't give you an infinite loop of restarts21:17
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npmyou could init3/init 5 first to see if the GUI survived21:18
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npmthen worry about kernel update and reboot last21:18
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flexerok I'll do when my update finish21:18
npmalso suggest looking for and fixing any RPMNEWs and RPMSAVES that the upgrade may write21:18
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flexerthank you for your support. I'll inform you about (I hope)21:19
npmsure. by the way, no guarantees any of this will work. it worked for me, that's all i know.21:19
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npmbut as configured, it works very well for me, and runs everything I would run on a Fedora system, but runs insanely fast on this puny Lenovo s10-3t with only 1G of memory... thus "win"21:22
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npm(helps to have an SSD installed)21:23
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npminteresting idea: http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/27/visa-makes-a-strategic-investment-in-disruptive-mobile-payments-startup-square/21:50
npmcredit card swiper that plugs into your analog headphone/mic port21:50
ali1234so exactly the same tech that thieves have been using for years?21:51
jedixonly now with iphone support!21:52
ali1234hopefully the sony mess will discourage people from using these braindead payment systems21:53
jedixhow will the sony mess do that?21:53
jedixpsn used credit cards21:53
ali1234people might think twice before typing their credit card details into every electronic device they own21:53
npmwell credit cards are a joke.... some extra level of certification/verification might help ( i worked at verifone on their credit card devices )21:53
ali1234and people might go back to visiting the local video rental store instead of using netflix21:54
jedixI think if there was an option to upload credit card information to the cloud to `make payments easier`, many people would use it21:54
ali1234jedix: there already is that option21:55
npmcredit cards are a "something you have" what's missing is "something you know"21:55
jedixon the cloud? how so?21:55
ali1234see itunes, psn, and anything that uses paypal21:55
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npmbut that's what the electronic services provide21:55
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ali1234don't forget android market and ovi too21:56
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npmnow all they need is a retinal scanner and we'd be good to go :-/21:57
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jedixI'd use an rsa key vob.. but that was last months security breach21:57
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ali1234online payment systems like PSN won;t be truly same until we have ubiquitous and unbreakable DRM end to end from the user machines all the way to the servers21:58
espen77atleast ovi you can choose to put it on the phonebill21:58
ali1234and you can bet that many many companies will try to use this incident to sell their solution (which will be neither ubiquitous nor unbreakable, but *will* be annoying)21:59
ali1234espen77: putting it on the phonebill is no better than CC, it may be worse if you pay the bill by direct debit22:00
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npmmeego seems one step closer to achieving this... .. just noticed this package: trousers : Trousers is an implementation of the Trusted Computing Group's Software Stack ... TPM hardware can create, store and use RSA keys securely (without ever being exposed in memory)22:02
espen77atleast no info to enter when doing phonebill, i would think it is a more secure system sins no extra information is sendt and stored22:02
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* npm wonders who is using said 'trousers' package in meego, and what for22:02
* npm finds http://trousers.sourceforge.net/faq.html despite terrible googling for said item22:05
ali1234espen77: yes i'lll give you that - at least they won't be able to get loads of new CCs with your name on22:05
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mikhasheya jbos - normal firefox doesnt even work with custom GTK+ input contexts?22:07
delacI managed to get the Huawei to show in Networks Tab by installing usb-modeswitch packages. However now it doesnt seem to be able to connect to the network. The light in the huawei will always blink green (2g) rather  than blue (3g). However if I plug the huawei in to my desktop computer, it gets 3g connection. Thoughts?22:08
ali1234delac: i know that network manager (what you probably use on desktop) has *loads* of quirks code for those 3g dongles22:09
ali1234but meego does not use network manager, so probably lacks that quirks code22:09
delacali1234: well, now it does blink blue time to time, but still doesn connect... sigh. Any way to import those quirks into meego? :)22:12
ali1234no idea22:12
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ali1234try to connect manually22:12
ali1234ie install minicom, send AT commands by hand22:12
ali1234or picocom or whatever is used in meego22:12
thiago_homecat22:12
thiago_homeand echo22:12
ali1234seriously?22:13
thiago_homeI might be22:13
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thiago_homeI don't know if minicom or picocom are packaged22:13
delacor maybe if I just file a bug...? :)22:13
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thiago_homeyes, to connman22:13
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delachow do I echo AT to ttyUSB2?22:17
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thiago_homeecho AT > /dev/ttyUSB222:18
delachmm, it didn't seem to react to that...22:18
gabrbeddthiago_home: How do you get the reply?  `tail -f /dev/ttyUSB2` ??22:19
thiago_homeyes, in another terminal :-)22:19
Stskeepsisn't there a 'chat' program?22:19
Stskeeps:P22:19
Stskeepsor something22:19
delaccat ttyUSB222:19
Stskeepsi'm having acid pppd flashbacks22:19
thiago_homechat isn't for that22:19
thiago_homechat is send this, expect that22:19
delacin another terminal22:20
gabrbeddStskeeps: my wife and I used to date over `talk`22:20
gabrbedd:-)22:20
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thiago_homegabrbedd: the IRC predecessor :-)22:20
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gabrbeddthiago_home: We did IRC, too... over BITNET.  But talk was more private.22:21
thiago_homeoh, wow, bitnet22:21
thiago_homeI remember using that in 9222:21
gabrbeddthiago_home: Yep.  This was 93.22:21
ali1234minicom is in the repos btw, i just checked22:22
ali1234in fact it appears to be installed by default on netbook22:22
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lbtalterego: ping22:55
alteregoAloha22:56
alteregoYes, I know, I'm sad and I have no life22:56
lbtha ... look who you're talking to!22:56
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alterego:) What can  I do for you :)22:56
lbtwell ... I want to make a plugin for the OBS ...22:56
alteregoOkay, which runs Rails ;)22:56
lbtyup22:57
alteregoThink I see where this is going :)22:57
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lbtI want a per-project plugin : eg https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Albt22:58
lbtno, that's wrong22:58
lbtI want a plugin that will add functionality which I'd like displayed on a project page22:58
alteregom'kay22:59
lbteg https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=Project%3ADE%3ATrunk%3ATesting22:59
alteregoI've not really looked into the obs code much22:59
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lbtunderstood22:59
alteregos/much/at all/ :)22:59
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lbtI think it's a normal rails app - complex but normal22:59
lbtso first : is this a rails thing?22:59
lbtor is it likely to be an OBS thing ?23:00
alteregoI'd imagine it's a Rails thing23:00
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lbthttps://gitorious.org/opensuse/build-service/trees/master/src/webui - fyi23:00
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alteregoYou want to make your own planel thing?23:00
lbtjust so you can see the file structure23:01
lbtyes23:01
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alteregoY?es, that is a rails app23:01
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alteregoLooks like it taks to a database, though only for session management.23:01
lbtthere's a partner 'api' app too23:02
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alteregodocs?23:02
phaeronb23:03
lbtI think this: https://gitorious.org/opensuse/build-service/trees/master/src/webui/app/views/project is where the code I'm interested in is23:03
phaeronerr sorry23:03
lbtalterego: hah... code23:03
alteregoYes, app/views is where all the html/* template code is23:03
alteregoYou'll also want to look under app/controllers for the "projects" controller, which is where you want to make our data available.23:04
alteregoAnd you'll want to look in app/models for accessing all the business logic for OBS23:04
alteregoapp/models basically should contain all the business logic for the application, app/controllers contains the ux logic and app/views is the display.23:04
alteregoStandard MVC architecture.23:04
lbt*nod*23:05
Venemoheya23:05
Venemolcuk, any news? :)23:05
alteregoHey Venemo :)23:05
Venemohey alterego, what's up? :)23:05
alteregoNot a lot23:05
alteregoSame old really, working hard, working on meego, getting stressed out :)23:06
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lbtok ... and in the html... https://gitorious.org/opensuse/build-service/blobs/master/src/webui/app/views/project/monitor.html.erb#line1023:06
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lcukhi Venemo, yeah I have been banging head about bug 16609 today23:06
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MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16609 nor, Undecided, ---, liquid, NEW, [N900 DE] Daily testing server does not include changelog23:06
lbtmmm OK ...23:06
alteregolbt: why don't you give me an example of a bit of information you want presented on the project page :)23:07
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alteregoAnd I'll talk you through what I'd do.23:07
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lbtOK ,. step back23:07
lbtBOSS is a workflow engine23:07
bosslbt: Error: "is" is not a valid command.23:07
lbtshut it23:07
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alteregoHahah23:07
alteregoRight23:08
phaeronstep back it'll blow up23:08
lollooi cant seem to enter meego . it starts logo shows and then after that black screen23:08
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lolloon900 here23:08
lbtso. when OBS emits events we launch a workflow23:08
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Venemolcuk, and any success with the packaging stuff we've talked about earlier?23:08
alteregololloo: can you ask in #meego-arm23:08
lbteach project has a number of events it can emit: BUILD_SUCCESS, REQUEST_DECLINED23:08
lollooam using daily image DE23:08
lolloook23:08
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alteregoSure23:08
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lbtnow. I'd like each of those events to have/open a textarea with some text in it23:09
lbtthat text comes from a 'database'23:09
lbt(eg a filesystem layout or redis or something)23:09
lbtso given : https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=Project%3ADE%3ATrunk%3ATesting23:10
lbtthere'd be an additional 'tab' next to Overview / Packages / Monitor23:10
lbtthat says "Workflow"23:10
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lbtand when I open it: there are like 15 textarea boxes... 1 for each event23:11
lbt(UI can be improved later)23:11
lbthttp://pastie.org/184068423:11
lbt^^ is the content of a simple one23:12
alteregoAh23:12
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lbtso .. not wanting to do this 'tonight'23:13
alterego:)23:14
lbtmore a sanity check to see what approach to take23:14
lbtI don't think this is suitable for upstream yet23:14
lbtso I need to maintain it as a patch or something23:14
alteregoWell, I'd play with app/views first, get it looking like you want, then we can talk about getting it actually working through the contorller.23:14
lbtthat's ugly23:14
alteregoYeah ..23:14
lbtso I'm looking to see if I can install the app and install some code somewhere to 'plugin'23:15
lbtnow... OBS uses themes23:15
lbtwhich I think is rails again23:15
alteregoRails doesn't have any concept of "themes"23:15
lbtso I think I can override by installing a theme which overrides some key things23:15
lbtdamne23:15
lbtOK - that's an OBS-ism then23:15
lbtit seems to have a search path for erb files?23:16
alteregoYou could create all your view code in a "partial" which is basically a small .html.erb file23:16
lbthttps://gitorious.org/opensuse/build-service/blobs/master/src/webui/app/views/project/_tabs.html.erb23:16
alteregoThen you can just include that file from the projects/*.html.erb file you want it included.23:16
alteregoThat means your patch on upstream will be a single line.23:16
lbt*nod*23:16
alteregoThat's a partial, anything starting with _*.html.erb is basically a fragment of commonly used HTML logic/code23:17
lbtin this case the menubar23:17
alteregofiles without the leading underscore are "views" which are generally entire pages.23:17
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lbtwhich I *think* I can override using their theme thing... which means I may be able to 'plugin'23:17
alteregoIf you look under app/layouts and if there's an "application.html.erb" that is the main (global) template that is applied to every page.23:17
alteregoIn that application.html.erb page there will be a line that looks somewhat like: <%= yield -%>23:18
alteregoThat basically tells rails to load in the app/views/*/*.html.erb files depending on the controller/action being viewed.23:18
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lbtmmm I think they don't do that: https://gitorious.org/opensuse/build-service/blobs/master/src/webui/app/views/project/monitor.html.erb23:19
lbtis the monitor page23:19
lbtwhich is one of the 'tabs'23:19
lbtline 10 has the call to the partial23:19
alteregoYeah, you're right,23:19
alteregoThey probably stick all the generic template stuff in partials and just include it whereever.23:20
alteregoVery php way of doings things ...23:20
lbt*g*23:20
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* lbt does not detect a compliment there23:21
alterego:)23:21
alteregobloody website designers :P23:21
alteregoI wonder what a professional website designer would think of my code.23:21
lbthehe ... yeah. I cringe every time I think someone looks at my python23:22
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lbtOK - this is good I think I'm going to go do a PoC...23:22
alteregoWell, I have issues about my own code, but then I look at others' and I'm like, wow, my standards must be quite high ...23:23
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lbtI just accept the fact that I'm a good designer and not a great coder :)23:23
alterego:)23:23
lbtso, my code sucks... fixing it gives you a job !23:24
alteregoI accept the fact I'm a good head banger :D23:24
alteregoHah23:24
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lbtOK - thanks ... I'll yell when I get stuck.23:25
alterego:)23:26
alteregoI'll be around ..23:26
alteregoTomorrow ... :)23:26
delachow do I quickly change window within zone?23:27
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