| gabrbedd | npm: Looks to me like all of the daily and testing builds... including the ones that didn't make the cut. | 00:00 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: note that only the weekly builds are published on repo.meego.com | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | the latest daily sanity image boots to a console | 00:23 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: That's insane! | 00:23 |
| berndhs | no that's just minimal sanity | 00:25 |
| lcuk | what is worst, the console does not understand bluekeys | 00:26 |
| tripz0 | hold down the blue arrow | 00:27 |
| lcuk | I am. | 00:27 |
| tripz0 | oh, hrm | 00:27 |
| * lcuk files bug | 00:27 | |
| tripz0 | only in the terminal? | 00:27 |
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| tripz0 | or in other places as well? | 00:27 |
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| tripz0 | i saw it working in other apps... | 00:28 |
| tripz0 | never tried it in the terminal though | 00:28 |
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| tripz0 | but this was the meego-ux image | 00:28 |
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| tripz0 | not the de one | 00:28 |
| lcuk | tripz0, it booted to the console | 00:28 |
| lcuk | no ux to try elsewhere | 00:29 |
| tripz0 | :( | 00:29 |
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| * lcuk shrugs and reflashes older image | 00:29 | |
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| lcuk | nn anyway \o | 00:41 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: sleepy tight! | 00:43 |
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| timeless_w7ip | lcuk: what kind of stats do you want? | 01:26 |
| timeless_w7ip | you can definitely get commits per contributor | 01:26 |
| timeless_w7ip | but realistically, look at http://ohloh.net | 01:26 |
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| newjor | i want to use a usb_camera which of chip driver is zc3xx, on meego this driver didn't configed into kernel or module, now i want to config this driver to a module,how should i do? do i need to recompile a meego-kernel? | 06:12 |
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| newjor | i want to use a usb_camera which of chip driver is zc3xx, on meego this driver didn't configed into kernel or module, now i want to config this driver to a module,how should i do? do i need to recompile a meego-kernel? | 06:27 |
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| newjor | i want to use a usb_camera which of chip driver is zc3xx, on meego this driver didn't configed into kernel or module, now i want to config this driver to a module,how should i do? do i need to recompile a meego-kernel? | 06:44 |
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| iekku | morning | 07:09 |
| berndhs | yeah almost time for sleep | 07:10 |
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| iekku | berndhs, :) | 07:16 |
| iekku | it's 7:15 am in finland and this is going to be very nice day :) | 07:16 |
| berndhs | good | 07:17 |
| iekku | (4 day vacation starting at 11 am :) ) | 07:17 |
| berndhs | its 0:15 in canada, and another crappy day coming up | 07:17 |
| berndhs | awful weather | 07:17 |
| gabrbedd | it's 23:18 in texas and the fires are burning bright.... | 07:18 |
| iekku | berndhs, oh? it was snowing here also yesterday | 07:18 |
| berndhs | yes weather is worse in the middle of the continent | 07:18 |
| iekku | berndhs, my morning was like your evening then... | 07:18 |
| berndhs | spring is late | 07:19 |
| iekku | spring? | 07:19 |
| iekku | i heard they cancelled it | 07:19 |
| iekku | :P | 07:19 |
| berndhs | probably, budget cuts | 07:19 |
| iekku | :D | 07:19 |
| iekku | you know, keeping up the heating system etc | 07:19 |
| berndhs | yes, expensive | 07:20 |
| gabrbedd | no, the groundhog specifically called for an early spring. | 07:20 |
| gabrbedd | If you developers can't deliver it... | 07:20 |
| berndhs | then he drowned in a t-storm | 07:20 |
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| gabrbedd | We'll just have to switch to WP7 | 07:21 |
| berndhs | im switching to gnome3 | 07:21 |
| berndhs | worked for good 1/2 day | 07:21 |
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| berndhs | looks nice too with QML apps | 07:21 |
| berndhs | then i changed a font, and QML apps crash, cant log in gnome3 any more | 07:22 |
| gabrbedd | I've been a KDE fan for a long time... but I installed Ubuntu on the family PC recently -- and GNOME is seducing me. | 07:23 |
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| berndhs | oh it can be really nice | 07:25 |
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| berndhs | its just beta stuff, perhaps a bit rushed at that | 07:25 |
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| gabrbedd | Yeah, I've heard some good things about GNOME3. | 07:26 |
| berndhs | ah i fixed my login problem, went from beta to beta-testing :) | 07:28 |
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| gabrbedd | g'night guys! | 07:35 |
| gabrbedd | (and gals!) | 07:35 |
| berndhs | good night | 07:35 |
| dm8tbr | mood groaning | 07:35 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 07:36 |
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| priyanka | hi i want to know if mssf2 as proposed in meego 2010 conferenace will be a part of meego 1.2 | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | it's not, it was in the architecture change emails | 09:27 |
| Jade | hi | 09:28 |
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| Myrtti | mnjääh | 09:28 |
| Myrtti | morning | 09:28 |
| tmpsantos | Myrtti: morning | 09:29 |
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| priyanka | @stskeeps is there any docs avialble about securityin meego 1.2 , I am working on dbus security and wanna know whats provided by meego. I checked out the mssf examples on the git but the libraries aren't fully integrated in even the latest builds aviable | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | priyanka: meego-security-discussion@ mailing list | 09:31 |
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| bkalinga | QServiceManager is not there in my "meego-handset-ia32-madde-sysroot" | 09:52 |
| bkalinga | then how work with service framework | 09:52 |
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| andre__ | how long am I expected to wait for seeing my blogpost shown on planet meego? it's more than 24h now... | 10:25 |
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| bilboed | any update on when accepted speakers will get their registration code ? | 11:38 |
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| edheldil | Hi all, anybody knows if there's SimToolkit in meego for n900? | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | there isn't | 11:50 |
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| edheldil | Stskeeps: is there any additional info on that? | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | edheldil: 'ofono' is probably best plcace to look | 11:55 |
| edheldil | I am considering creating one on Maemo, and any info would be helpful | 11:56 |
| edheldil | thanks | 11:56 |
| newjor | have someone compiled meego-kernel? and if compiled successful, how the new one be placed on meego? | 11:57 |
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| alterego | Does anyone know if all sponsorship requests have been processed? Or are there still some waiting to be approved? | 12:30 |
| Myrtti | well mine was processed already | 12:31 |
| alterego | Mine too, but I have a friend who hasn't had a mail yet. | 12:31 |
| lcuk | alterego, it might be a bit early for US people to be able to answer, but ping DawnFoster who would know or be able to ask I gather | 12:31 |
| Myrtti | leinir: ♥ | 12:31 |
| alterego | I guess they'll send one if you're sponsorship has been denied as well? | 12:31 |
| lcuk | \o Venemo morning | 12:32 |
| Venemo | good morning to you too lcuk :) | 12:32 |
| alterego | Hey Venemo, and hey lcuk | 12:32 |
| Venemo | hello alterego :) | 12:32 |
| alterego | lcuk: but yeah, my sponsorship has been approved :) | 12:32 |
| * alterego does the alcatraz dance | 12:32 | |
| lcuk | Venemo, you need to look here for details about getting puzzle-master onto the OBS http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder | 12:32 |
| Venemo | lcuk, thanks | 12:33 |
| Myrtti | I wonder if there's any side programme planned | 12:33 |
| alterego | lcuk: you're not attending though right? | 12:33 |
| Myrtti | would love to see the computer history museum properly, it was half closed last year because of renovations | 12:33 |
| lcuk | who said I wasn't attending? I have only indicated that Mrs lcuk will shout at me ;) | 12:33 |
| alterego | Hah | 12:33 |
| * lcuk was filling in the form last night | 12:34 | |
| alterego | :) | 12:34 |
| alterego | Cool, would be great to meet you in person :) | 12:34 |
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| lcuk | how was the cambridge meetup? | 12:34 |
| lcuk | (I half saw one was meant to happen | 12:34 |
| leinir | Myrtti: :D | 12:34 |
| lcuk | hey leinir \o | 12:34 |
| leinir | lcuk: yo! :) | 12:35 |
| Myrtti | I can't wait for the fish restaurants :-D | 12:35 |
| Myrtti | *drool* | 12:35 |
| alterego | lcuk: just me and vgrade, but was enjoyable enough | 12:35 |
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| alterego | Two of my friends backed out, one fell ill so :/ | 12:36 |
| lcuk | speaking of which I have pub tonight with pals | 12:36 |
| alterego | And I didn't get an email back from sjoerd so I guess Collabora guys didn't get the message :S | 12:36 |
| * lcuk shall drink Guinness and talk tech all evening | 12:37 | |
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| lcuk | and compare beards! | 12:37 |
| alterego | My beard is somewhat non-existent right now ;) | 12:37 |
| alterego | We can compare others' beards though | 12:37 |
| lcuk | heh my mate is getting married and his stag do is coming up, one of the conditions is facial hair | 12:38 |
| alterego | Oh nice :) | 12:38 |
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| lcuk | the other is a hawaiian shirt too which is more tricky | 12:38 |
| * lcuk does not think they come in pure black | 12:39 | |
| alterego | Ah, the old Robinson Crusoe / Castaway look | 12:39 |
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| lcuk | alterego, hah | 12:39 |
| alterego | What's the weather like for you? Yesterday and today have been really nice :) | 12:40 |
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| lcuk | it is good over here, nice and warm, had all the doors and windows open | 12:41 |
| alterego | And, I'm not suffering any hayfever this year, despite being surrounded by oilseed | 12:41 |
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| lcuk | tracy got hayfever driving across the country last week | 12:41 |
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| lcuk | alterego, which N900 DE image are you running at the moment? | 12:43 |
| alterego | The alpha from the FI summit still | 12:44 |
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| lcuk | alterego, and how are you finding it installing and working on it? | 12:47 |
| lcuk | is it happy to connect to qt-creator and run your apps? | 12:48 |
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| alterego | I've not used it with the meego sdf | 12:48 |
| alterego | ~sdk | 12:48 |
| infobot | The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com | 12:48 |
| alterego | Heh | 12:48 |
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| alterego | I've been testing my dialer on it using obs local building, scp and ssh :) | 12:49 |
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| bkalinga | http://pastebin.com/BHxHFmqf | 13:32 |
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| bkalinga | getting error while compiling libmeegotouch/examples/servicefw | 13:33 |
| lbt | ~sdk | 13:33 |
| infobot | The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com | 13:33 |
| lbt | mmm | 13:33 |
| timoph | ~lbt | 13:34 |
| bkalinga | anyone successfully builtl ibmeegotouch/examples/servicefw | 13:34 |
| lbt | bkalinga: what platform are you on? | 13:35 |
| bkalinga | qemu | 13:35 |
| lbt | doesn't look like an osc build | 13:35 |
| bkalinga | i am sorry lbt: i did not get you | 13:35 |
| lbt | oh, I see what you're doing | 13:36 |
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| lbt | building some example code that comes with libmeegotouch | 13:36 |
| lbt | in a qemu install | 13:36 |
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| lbt | Maybe file a bug against libmeegotouch component | 13:37 |
| bkalinga | yes you are right | 13:37 |
| bkalinga | i am trying to do that | 13:37 |
| bkalinga | this is fine to build it inside qemu or not? | 13:38 |
| lbt | it should work | 13:38 |
| lbt | it may need libs you don't have installed | 13:38 |
| bkalinga | OSC build; is it something developer needs to do? | 13:39 |
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| lbt | osc build is used to build packages for meego on non-meego platforms | 13:41 |
| lbt | it's aimed at platform development | 13:41 |
| lbt | but works for anything | 13:41 |
| lbt | it's part of OBS | 13:41 |
| lcuk | it can also be used to build meego apps on meego platforms too? | 13:42 |
| lcuk | ie, using a meego netbook to build meego n900 DE apps? | 13:42 |
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| lbt | yes | 13:44 |
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| bkalinga | lbt: do you recommend, an application developer should use OBS/OSC for application development purpose | 13:48 |
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| lbt | bkalinga: that's a hard one - I think the meego SDK is probably the tool of choice for day to day hacking | 13:55 |
| lbt | when the app is UI oriented | 13:55 |
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| mikhas | ahem, isn't the idea of Qt that you could just hack anywhere? | 13:55 |
| lbt | for traditional vim/emacs hackers then OBS is probably a better bet - but it's not yet easy to setup | 13:55 |
| mikhas | what's the benefit of the SDK? | 13:55 |
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| lbt | I would like to see more ability to flick between them | 13:56 |
| lcuk | mobile device emulation stuff | 13:56 |
| alterego | madde | 13:56 |
| lcuk | configuration to talk with MADDE and all that to actually see app on ARM device from x86 desktop etc | 13:56 |
| lbt | I want to use madde with emacs and OBS | 13:56 |
| lbt | I'd like to see a 'send to OBS' button in madde | 13:57 |
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| alterego | That would be cool, I'm guessing you mean command though ;) | 13:57 |
| lbt | fabo may oblige... | 13:57 |
| Ans5i | lbt: you can login madde terminal | 13:57 |
| alterego | qt creator should have push to obs though | 13:57 |
| lbt | nah, a pink button alterego | 13:57 |
| lbt | with the c,obs meegon on it :) | 13:58 |
| alterego | :) | 13:58 |
| * lbt may mean qt-creator | 13:58 | |
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| lbt | the problem with guis is that the boundaries aren't clear | 13:58 |
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| alterego | You can do a local obs build through qt creator | 13:59 |
| lbt | neat | 13:59 |
| alterego | If you set up a custom build process etc. | 13:59 |
| lbt | ah | 13:59 |
| Ans5i | there is more customization available for buildchain now than before, don't know could it be integrated. | 13:59 |
| alterego | Problem with qt creator is header locations though | 13:59 |
| * lbt mumbles 'scratchbox' | 13:59 | |
| lbt | ? | 14:00 |
| alterego | I have scratchbox integrated into qt creator also ;) | 14:00 |
| Ans5i | me too | 14:00 |
| lbt | alterego: eww | 14:00 |
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| Ans5i | doesn't much warm at night still | 14:00 |
| alterego | but again header locations are a pain, because it uses you host environments include directories, not scratchboxs' or obs' | 14:00 |
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| lbt | yep - this is why it should integrate better | 14:01 |
| alterego | So code completion and various squiggly underlines are all wacky | 14:01 |
| Ans5i | sb2 would be easier imho | 14:01 |
| lbt | your app doesn't get published until post-OBS build | 14:01 |
| lbt | Ans5i: please leave now | 14:01 |
| alterego | Hah | 14:01 |
| Ans5i | heh | 14:01 |
| alterego | scratchbox qt creator integration is fine | 14:01 |
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| alterego | F5 even starts my apps in zephyr window :) | 14:02 |
| bkalinga | alterego: could you please point me, how to do scratch box set up for meego | 14:03 |
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| bkalinga | is it possible to have both qemu andscratchbox set up on same host machine without any conflict? | 14:04 |
| Bostik | oi guys, I remember someone (lbt?) talking about an odd bug in X which caused all draws to end up in stretched 45 degree angle; was there a bug report and fix I could look up? | 14:04 |
| alterego | bkalinga: I don't have scratchbox for meego, I was refering to maemo | 14:04 |
| bkalinga | so for meego, qemu is a good option then | 14:05 |
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| alterego | Well, I use on device. | 14:05 |
| lbt | Bostik: wasn't me I'm afraid | 14:05 |
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| bkalinga | only problem is qtcreator is not integrated well | 14:05 |
| alterego | But yeah, qemu seems the current way | 14:05 |
| alterego | bkalinga: well, it's configured to use madde and deploy to your qemu instance. | 14:05 |
| lbt | bkalinga: no | 14:05 |
| lbt | you can have them both setup | 14:06 |
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| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building#Co-existing_with_Scratchbox | 14:06 |
| bkalinga | ok... | 14:07 |
| bkalinga | the shared link is wrt maemo | 14:07 |
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| bkalinga | will it work for meego | 14:07 |
| lbt | it's a linux kernel thing... | 14:07 |
| bkalinga | ok | 14:09 |
| bkalinga | it would be great it qtcreator intregrated well with Madde+qemu | 14:10 |
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| fabo | lbt: there's a build service plugin in Qt Creator | 14:26 |
| fabo | not in madde ;) | 14:26 |
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| lcuk | I managed to repair my n900 the other night :) | 14:49 |
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| lcuk | after the usb power lead was getting a bit ropey | 14:49 |
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| lcuk | and needed wire in same place always | 14:49 |
| lcuk | I dismantled it and inserted a fold of card ontop of the power connector | 14:49 |
| lcuk | wedging it between there and the MMC card slot which is physically overlapping the circuit board | 14:50 |
| lcuk | now my n900 can happily charge up :) | 14:50 |
| lcuk | maybe not a fulltime solution, but certainly adds confidence. | 14:50 |
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| lcuk | this would only potentially work if the connection is loose rather than fully disconnected | 14:51 |
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| lcuk | MeeGoExperts, how was #meegofi ? | 14:58 |
| MeeGoExperts | FANTASTIC | 15:02 |
| MeeGoExperts | As usual these MeeGo conferences do not disappoint | 15:02 |
| lcuk | :D I hear everyone was happy about the N900 DE as well as the other stuff | 15:02 |
| lcuk | what was your favourite session? | 15:03 |
| MeeGoExperts | yep. There were loads of developers fired up and ready to go :-) | 15:03 |
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| MeeGoExperts | possibly "Optimizing MeeGo Apps with Intel MeeGo development tools" | 15:04 |
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| lcuk | MeeGoExperts, yeah, what made that more interesting than the others? | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | that after the session people were getting loaner exopc's | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:05 |
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| alterego | Heh | 15:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | heh? | 15:07 |
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| * Jaffa starts re-reading http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2011/meego-meeting.2011-03-18-14.58.log.html#l-111 after MeeGoExperts' latest wrap up. | 15:10 | |
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| Jaffa | "we should discuss in the next TSG meeting". Of course, the "next TSG meeting" cam and went and was just more rubber stamping of working groups. | 15:10 |
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| alterego | Jaffa: What day are you flying to SF? | 15:11 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: Flying out Saturday. Virgin Atlantic from Heathrow @ 13:00. Back on Thursday. | 15:11 |
| Jaffa | So'll have to stump up for an extra night | 15:11 |
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| alterego | I was thinking of doing the same | 15:11 |
| alterego | Though I was gonna fly out Friday :D | 15:12 |
| alterego | And come back thursday | 15:12 |
| * Jaffa 's already taking a week off work... | 15:12 | |
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| * w00t_ is going saturday -> saturday | 15:12 | |
| w00t_ | spending some extra time wandering around | 15:12 |
| Jaffa | w00t_: Nice | 15:13 |
| alterego | I'd love to go sat-sat | 15:13 |
| alterego | Would like to see some sights. | 15:13 |
| w00t_ | (actually having a holiday!) | 15:13 |
| * Jaffa 's been to SF a few times (for JavaOne). It's a great place. | 15:13 | |
| alterego | What time do the warm ups start on saturday? | 15:13 |
| Venemo_N900 | meh, I hope the next conference will be in Europe | 15:13 |
| Jaffa | I'm looking forward to having some geeky drinks at the top of the Hil(d)on Skybar | 15:13 |
| Jaffa | alterego: First thing, I think :-( | 15:13 |
| alterego | Because I was planning on volunteering | 15:13 |
| w00t_ | I think I arrive around 11am saturday | 15:14 |
| alterego | Is your flight back the one that leaves at 19:05 SF time? | 15:14 |
| Jaffa | alterego: Sounds about right | 15:14 |
| Jaffa | We should start the wiki page for flights | 15:14 |
| alterego | Well, guess we've got a fair amount of time on thursday | 15:14 |
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| Jaffa | Bloody hell, that wiki.meego.com bug about being half-logged in is still there :-( | 15:15 |
| alterego | Yeah, it's a pain in the ass | 15:15 |
| tmpsantos | anyone using tablet sdk + madde? | 15:16 |
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| lcuk | random linux question | 15:18 |
| alterego | Oh the options ... | 15:18 |
| lcuk | why does "ps" only list a couple of processes | 15:18 |
| lcuk | but "top" lists all | 15:18 |
| poutsi | ps only lists ones with a controlling terminal i think | 15:19 |
| poutsi | that belong to the current user | 15:19 |
| poutsi | as for the real why, who knows :) | 15:19 |
| Jaffa | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2011/Flight_Information | 15:20 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: use 'ps aux' | 15:21 |
| poutsi | or for extra info overload, "ps auxfwwwww" | 15:21 |
| poutsi | a lesser number of w's might do it :) | 15:21 |
| alterego | Jaffa: when do you think we'll know if LXF can prepay for flights? I don't have the capital to book it myself :/ | 15:22 |
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| X-Fade | alterego: No, you have to pay for it yourself first. | 15:24 |
| alterego | So the foundation was asked then? | 15:24 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: bdub has gone away to ask if there's a possibiltiy for a limited number of exceptions | 15:24 |
| alterego | And that's what they said? | 15:24 |
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| X-Fade | Ah, don't know about the exceptions. I was refering to the normal procedure. | 15:24 |
| alterego | Yeah, I was enquiring about the exceptions :D | 15:25 |
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| Jaffa | I've moved the flight information page to http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/Flight_Information | 15:25 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N900, thanks! | 15:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: you're welcome :) | 15:26 |
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| rzr | hi | 15:31 |
| lcuk | \o | 15:31 |
| * rzr is looking for meego devices owners to test a game | 15:31 | |
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| Venemo_N900 | rzr: you could try a chroot | 15:42 |
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| phaeron | lbt: so robog is running old style. or did you updated to skynet ? | 15:46 |
| lbt | phaeron: I saw the commit notification process | 15:46 |
| lbt | skynet | 15:46 |
| phaeron | lbt: did you push the code ? | 15:46 |
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| lbt | err,,,, yes, of course | 15:48 |
| phaeron | right *g* | 15:48 |
| lbt | skynet branch | 15:48 |
| lbt | not pkged | 15:48 |
| phaeron | so I need to do more pkging | 15:49 |
| lbt | no.. reuse what you just did | 15:49 |
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| lbt | that was the point - generic part pkging | 15:49 |
| phaeron | lbt: what about my question "boss-obs-plugin needs to stuff the api url into the obsEvent" | 15:50 |
| lbt | anyhow you wrote the code -you get to pkg it | 15:50 |
| lbt | yeah... mmm | 15:50 |
| lbt | does it | 15:50 |
| lbt | *every* event | 15:50 |
| lbt | what should be in there? | 15:50 |
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| phaeron | well it's just a field in the json that says this even comes from this OBS. right now each participant has the apiurl in the conf | 15:51 |
| phaeron | which is wrong imho | 15:51 |
| phaeron | *event | 15:51 |
| lbt | true | 15:51 |
| lbt | also the project is in there | 15:51 |
| lbt | and isn't qualified | 15:51 |
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| lbt | it's feasible to handle multiple OBSes in one process | 15:51 |
| lbt | process store | 15:52 |
| phaeron | well add one more layer to the hierarchy | 15:52 |
| phaeron | mapping hierarchy | 15:52 |
| lbt | lets get this process running | 15:53 |
| phaeron | although it's getting a bit redundant. if I want to enable a process for all Devel projects in all obses handled I need to make 100 copies (or links) of it | 15:53 |
| phaeron | ls | 15:54 |
| phaeron | *yes | 15:54 |
| lbt | not sure what you mean about the 100 copies ,,,, tell me some other time though | 15:55 |
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| lbt | right now I'm doing a mk_process | 15:56 |
| lbt | which installs a process for a prj/event pair | 15:56 |
| lbt | I think that lives in robog | 15:56 |
| phaeron | it should be in the -processes package | 15:56 |
| phaeron | maybe | 15:57 |
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| lbt | well, it populates the robog store | 15:57 |
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| lbt | so it's only relevant to robog | 15:57 |
| phaeron | hmm then it should be called enable_process | 15:57 |
| phaeron | got the impression it helps _make_ a new process | 15:58 |
| lbt | install ? | 15:58 |
| lbt | mm enable is good | 15:58 |
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| rzr | Venemo_N900: i already tested it on the livecd it works, but i wanted to have feedback on real "meego" devices | 16:00 |
| Venemo_N900 | mhm | 16:00 |
| phaeron | lbt: why don't we have the manual -Release thing | 16:00 |
| lbt | in the version policy ? | 16:01 |
| phaeron | yes | 16:01 |
| lbt | that's for packaging changes | 16:01 |
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| phaeron | brb coffee | 16:02 |
| lbt | mmm | 16:02 |
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| rzr | where can i find ExoPC users ? | 16:11 |
| thiago | here | 16:11 |
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| alterego | There's a forum somewhere too | 16:14 |
| alterego | Might be on the manufacturers website | 16:14 |
| rzr | * | 16:14 |
| rzr | http://www.exopc.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=110# Hardware | 16:14 |
| rzr | i am on it | 16:14 |
| alterego | :) | 16:14 |
| rzr | same question applies to wetab :) | 16:15 |
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| lbt | phaeron: cool | 16:44 |
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| lbt | rzr: http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/ExoPC | 17:11 |
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| rzr | yes i was on that page | 17:12 |
| rzr | did they give it w/ win7 on it ? | 17:13 |
| alterego | rzr: all the meego exos that are being handed out come with MeeGo Tablet UX | 17:13 |
| Myrtti | mind you, mine had the licence sticker on it | 17:14 |
| Myrtti | but who cares | 17:15 |
| lbt | phaeron: you have non idempotent postinst | 17:17 |
| rzr | you can sell it and buy an other one | 17:17 |
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| phaeron | lbt: yeah I can see that | 17:17 |
| lbt | should be a simple [[ ! -d $DIR ]] && mkdir -p $DIR | 17:18 |
| Myrtti | selling it is a breach of contract | 17:18 |
| phaeron | no, it should create it only on install not on upgrade | 17:19 |
| phaeron | upgrade condition would be different | 17:19 |
| rzr | "${DIR}" | 17:19 |
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| phaeron | lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/95 | 17:29 |
| alterego | Oh, it's a bank holiday tomorrow isn't it .. | 17:29 |
| pexi | thank god | 17:30 |
| berndhs | pexi: yes it is a religious holiday :) | 17:31 |
| alterego | Well, apparently I have to confirm my sponsorship by Monday, but I can't really confirm it until I know whether the foundation can pay for me upfront :S | 17:31 |
| ScriptRipper | lbt ping on BOSS | 17:32 |
| alterego | Monday being a bank holiday also .. | 17:32 |
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| leinir | alterego: well, send it off and say "oh yes plz!" and tell them about that issue with payment in the email? | 17:32 |
| alterego | Yeah, that's what I was thinking. | 17:32 |
| phaeron | ScriptRipper: pong | 17:33 |
| lbt | phaeron: give me a minute to accept it | 17:33 |
| lbt | want to watch the events | 17:33 |
| lbt | ScriptRipper: pong here too | 17:34 |
| phaeron | ok | 17:34 |
| ScriptRipper | good | 17:34 |
| ScriptRipper | i had just been asking David how its going with BOSS development | 17:34 |
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| ScriptRipper | IIRC I was told BOSS 1.0 should be released with MeeGo 1.2 | 17:35 |
| ScriptRipper | but, btw, when is MeeGo 1.2 released ? | 17:35 |
| * lcuk just watching the meego fi track by Jukka :) loving the analogue recording and shaky camera work | 17:35 | |
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| ScriptRipper | I had expected some MeeGo 1.2 branch in OBS days ago, but could not find it | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | everything got postponed, was on meego-releases@ | 17:36 |
| gabrbedd | ScriptRipper: IIRC 1.2 will be released mid-to-late May. There was an announce on either the meego-dev or meego-reelease ML. | 17:36 |
| ScriptRipper | ah, so I slept at that time :D | 17:37 |
| ScriptRipper | and overread it | 17:37 |
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| ScriptRipper | 4/29 - Trunk reopen for development. 1.2 Branch will be created, 1.2 | 17:38 |
| ScriptRipper | that was what I was seeking for | 17:38 |
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| ScriptRipper | on Fri in one week | 17:39 |
| lbt | ScriptRipper: We don't currently have a date to release a 1.0 version of BOSS | 17:40 |
| phaeron | ScriptRipper: who expected 1.0 ? | 17:41 |
| ScriptRipper | I was told | 17:41 |
| ScriptRipper | so I had expectations after | 17:41 |
| ScriptRipper | so to say :D | 17:42 |
| phaeron | well working harder nowadays :) | 17:42 |
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| Lana_ | Hello! Could somebody help me? Building rpm package from qt application for Meego the problem "command qmake not found" appears. Attempts to add libqt4-dev (or qt-qmake-4.7.0-3.1) into BuildReqires failed: unresolvable: nothing provides libqt4-dev. Thanks in Advance | 17:43 |
| lbt | ScriptRipper: we are working on the roadmap at the moment | 17:43 |
| lbt | so feedback to that would be good | 17:44 |
| ScriptRipper | where is the roadmap ? | 17:44 |
| lbt | on my desk | 17:44 |
| thiago | Lana_: in MeeGo, development packages end in "-devel", not "-dev" | 17:44 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I can pastebin it | 17:44 |
| lbt | and it will go onto the wiki RSN | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | hum? | 17:45 |
| ScriptRipper | wiki would be nice | 17:45 |
| phaeron | lol | 17:45 |
| lbt | thiago: cite? | 17:45 |
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| lbt | phaeron: can robogrator take some debug flags | 17:57 |
| phaeron | lbt: to do what | 17:57 |
| lbt | bitwise ... 1 = print incoming | 17:57 |
| lbt | 2 = which process is used | 17:57 |
| lbt | 4 = print process | 17:57 |
| lbt | should be enouh | 17:57 |
| lbt | and if it's non-zero then re-read config for each event? | 17:58 |
| lbt | something like that? | 17:58 |
| phaeron | mm , sure you need this now ? | 17:58 |
| lbt | well, I can hack the insted code | 17:59 |
| lbt | to remove the extra prints | 17:59 |
| lbt | so it's not urgent | 17:59 |
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| lbt | but it should be on the todo | 17:59 |
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| lbt | nb... that's an idea, not a spec | 17:59 |
| phaeron | currently is too talkative | 17:59 |
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| lbt | yep | 17:59 |
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| lbt | and the input json has a bdep dump (!) | 18:00 |
| phaeron | binary deps ? | 18:00 |
| lcuk | hey cool, the rotation layout on the peregrine screen is neat | 18:03 |
| lbt | phaeron: yes | 18:06 |
| lbt | 2011-04-21 15:06:57.783364500 home:sikemppa is done building .. now to test | 18:07 |
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| kahless | hi all, wheres the diffenrence between the n900 builds "*armv7hl-n900" and "*armv7l-n900", which one should i use? | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | armv7hl, armv7l will be disabled end of this month | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | armv7hl is hardfp port | 18:10 |
| lbt | just that bdeps is very noisy and appears in some OBS events | 18:10 |
| phaeron | ok | 18:10 |
| kahless | Stskeeps: thx! | 18:10 |
| thiago | doesn't the N900 hardware have FP problems? | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: no, that's thumb you're thinking of | 18:11 |
| thiago | ah, right | 18:11 |
| thiago | makes more sense | 18:11 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: the thumb problems are OMAP3 not specific to N900 right? | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | right | 18:12 |
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| lbt | phaeron: I notice the 'demo' participants are called check and notify..... maybe not the best choice... although it should now allow a de-register/remove | 18:14 |
| phaeron | yes | 18:14 |
| phaeron | unsuspecting users of notify could get problems | 18:15 |
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| phaeron | lbt: do you remember if Launcher keeps an amqp connection open or is one shot | 18:17 |
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| lbt | one shot | 18:17 |
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| Myrtti | I feel like such a pain in the ass harassing the lf guy about the hotel room :-/ | 18:27 |
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| lcuk | does anybody know why the photo viewer on meego cannot see the photos used in its theme | 18:49 |
| lcuk | ie, using todays N900 DE image, the theme picture is great | 18:50 |
| lcuk | but opening the photo viewer it shows no images | 18:50 |
| Myrtti | I'd still like to know what the Friends-panel is supposed to do in the Tablet UX | 18:50 |
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| tripz0 | Myrtti, you mean in the meego ux? | 18:52 |
| phaeron | lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/96 | 18:52 |
| tripz0 | lcuk, same question? | 18:52 |
| RST38h | Show updates/status from your friends? | 18:52 |
| tripz0 | RST38h, ding, you win! | 18:52 |
| tripz0 | twitter, facebook, chat accounts, email, etc... updates | 18:52 |
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| Myrtti | tripz0: the vanilla one - anyway I don't see anything | 18:53 |
| tripz0 | Myrtti, go to settings->web accounts and add facebook | 18:53 |
| tripz0 | or setup an chat or email account | 18:53 |
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| Myrtti | tripz0: I did setup facebook, I get "Success" and then - nothing | 18:54 |
| tripz0 | hmm | 18:54 |
| tripz0 | on the back of the friends panel, does facebook show up as a toggle? | 18:55 |
| tripz0 | and what image are you using? | 18:55 |
| Myrtti | nope | 18:55 |
| tripz0 | facebook probably wasn't really "successful" then :| | 18:56 |
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| Myrtti | this was with tablet 0415.3, now the same with tablet 0420 | 18:56 |
| * tripz0 tries it out | 18:56 | |
| RST38h | Maybe it is worth looking for current bugs filed forthis panel? | 18:57 |
| Myrtti | and even with gtalk setup successfully and the toggle on the back of the panel, nothing still shows | 18:57 |
| Myrtti | just "you have no web accounts enabled yadayada" | 18:57 |
| RST38h | Just in case there is one stating that "The panel is broken and does not do shit" | 18:57 |
| tripz0 | yeh, see if there is a bug | 18:58 |
| tripz0 | iirc, it was working last time i tried it | 18:58 |
| lcuk | tripz0, to test this out would require I get a facebook | 18:58 |
| tripz0 | lcuk, if you do, i'll be your friend ;) | 18:58 |
| RST38h | heya lcuk, don't get facebook, stay one of us, the proud old farts | 18:58 |
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| lcuk | lol RST38h I tweeted about being old recently :P http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/59182570713255936 | 19:00 |
| lbt | RST38h: too late ... he tweets too | 19:00 |
| lbt | see | 19:00 |
| rzr | identi.ca freedom haters !!! | 19:00 |
| rzr | 7:) | 19:00 |
| RST38h | OMG, he tweets like a parakeet... | 19:00 |
| Myrtti | identi.ca is the lowest pit of FLOSS zealotry hell | 19:00 |
| lbt | phaeron: mmm I didn't see a REQUEST_CREATE | 19:00 |
| lcuk | RST38h, I was talking to a Cockatoo at the wildlife gardens on holiday :) | 19:01 |
| lcuk | we had a great chat :) | 19:01 |
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| lcuk | lovely bird, I shall see if tracy has uploaded a photo | 19:02 |
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| phaeron | lbt: did you apply that patch ? | 19:02 |
| RST38h | lcuk: yes, much more pleasant creature than most people... Got one asa pet. | 19:03 |
| lbt | which patch? | 19:03 |
| lcuk | RST38h, :) he kept climbing down his cage and bringing up sticks for me we had a lovely time | 19:03 |
| lbt | phaeron: you mean the sr you just submitted? | 19:04 |
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| lcuk | s/cage/aviary/ | 19:04 |
| infobot | lcuk meant: RST38h, :) he kept climbing down his aviary and bringing up sticks for me we had a lovely time | 19:04 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I think he was trying to build you a nestso that you can lay eggs... | 19:04 |
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| phaeron | lbt: no the multiactions patch | 19:06 |
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| phaeron | lbt: so what's next | 19:15 |
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| lbt | ok | 19:29 |
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| lbt | phaeron: where does OBS_SRCSRV_REQUEST_CREATE come from | 19:30 |
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| lbt | mmm it is the srcserver | 19:32 |
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| jausmus | Myrtti: you were having some problems w/ the friends panel? | 19:46 |
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| Myrtti | jausmus: yup | 19:50 |
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| jausmus | Myrtti: for FB, make sure your TZ and date/time is set up correctly - most social networking web APIs seem to be very sensitive to timestamp issues on API requests | 19:56 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt, yes, do you have a web server on there too or some way to proxy paths? | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, meeting logs need to be exported somehow | 19:57 |
| jausmus | Myrtti: for google talk - you're saying the account doesn't even show up on the back of the panel? | 19:57 |
| lbt | we can install a webserver and access via the main proxy | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't even have to be advanced, just serve files from a dir | 19:58 |
| lbt | *nod* | 19:58 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: also... can I use supybot to issue irc alert/info/event messages? | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: maybe there is a plugin? it would require a open port of sorts | 19:59 |
| lbt | *nod* have it listen on an internal port and basically relay alerts | 19:59 |
| lbt | wondered if you knew | 19:59 |
| lbt | https://github.com/tbielawa/supybot-mailed-notifier | 20:00 |
| jausmus | Myrtti: also, what versions of meego-ux-panels-friends, meego-ux-content, meego-ux-content-socialweb, and meego-app-im are you working with? | 20:00 |
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| Myrtti | jausmus: does show in the back of the panel, but not beyond that | 20:02 |
| jausmus | Myrtti: so, after it shows up in the back of the panel, you have the IM account in a logged in state, you are on the panels screen, someone sends you an IM, and it doesn't show up - correct? | 20:03 |
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| Myrtti | oh damn, I can't set the time... | 20:04 |
| Myrtti | ho hum | 20:04 |
| jausmus | tripz0: ^^^^ | 20:04 |
| tripz0 | yeh, i have a bug for that | 20:04 |
| jausmus | Myrtti: xterm? :) | 20:05 |
| tripz0 | Myrtti, use date -s on the commandline | 20:05 |
| tripz0 | i'm trying to debug what broke | 20:05 |
| Myrtti | myyh, I'd have to... | 20:05 |
| Myrtti | no hold on | 20:05 |
| Myrtti | yeah, I don't even have access to ssh | 20:05 |
| jausmus | Myrtti: what device are you on? | 20:06 |
| Myrtti | exopc | 20:06 |
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| jausmus | have a USB KB handy? | 20:06 |
| tripz0 | plug in a keyboard and do a ctrl+alt+f1 | 20:06 |
| * Myrtti considers ripping the keyboard off her sisters computer... | 20:06 | |
| tripz0 | haha, do it! | 20:06 |
| * Myrtti has an eye twitch while considering | 20:07 | |
| jausmus | Myrtti: sorry for all the hassle :( | 20:07 |
| * Myrtti shoots a video of the computers back to see what kind of plug the keyboard has | 20:09 | |
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| Myrtti | meh | 20:11 |
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| Myrtti | yeah, can't do it, I can't go blindly rip all the usb cables off | 20:13 |
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| tripz0 | hmmm... setting the time is working for me now... | 20:16 |
| * tripz0 guesses some b0rkage in trunk with timed | 20:16 | |
| tripz0 | ...that is fixed now | 20:16 |
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| alterego | Have all the sponsorship acceptance mails been sent? | 20:19 |
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| tripz0 | Myrtti, setting the time in settings should work in the next image that is produced. it's working for me now after updating trunk | 20:20 |
| tripz0 | in other news, the d-feet package doesn't pull in all the right deps | 20:21 |
| * tripz0 files bug | 20:21 | |
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| Stskeeps | remember to document it this time, fastinit wasn't horribly ;p | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster1: so, if you had meetbot logs on a public url, what domain.meego.com would that be? | 20:34 |
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| DawnFoster1 | Stskeeps: ah, good question. we should also probably move the logs from this channel, too (general IRC logs) | 20:36 |
| DawnFoster1 | Stskeeps: so maybe irc.meego.com? | 20:36 |
| DawnFoster1 | we'll need to talk to Mike / Adam about it to finalize anything | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | am setting up the irc bots atm on there | 20:36 |
| DawnFoster1 | or maybe something more specific like irclogs.meego.com | 20:36 |
| auke | Stskeeps: all the hardcoded ordering is gone, systemd is more of a 'drop config in place' type thing | 20:37 |
| DawnFoster1 | that might be a little better | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | i guess we'll go with working title as that for now | 20:37 |
| DawnFoster1 | Stskeeps: sounds good | 20:37 |
| DawnFoster1 | thanks for helping with this!! | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | no problem | 20:38 |
| auke | DawnFoster1: can we vacate #moblin? I'd like to kick everyone out but do not have ops.. | 20:38 |
| DawnFoster1 | auke: probably a good idea - I don't have ops for that one either | 20:39 |
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| auke | ok, I'll lookup who does | 20:39 |
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| Stskeeps | in other news, we had 461 IRC meetings since project start | 20:49 |
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| slonopotamus | as Linus said, talk is cheap :) how many KLoCs per each meeting? | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | that's difficult to measure | 20:51 |
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| slonopotamus | i really like this: http://programming-motherfucker.com/ | 20:52 |
| alterego | That's what she said | 20:52 |
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| auke | Stskeeps: Xorg will run on vc/1 | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | what, xorg? i thougt we were going to go straight for wayland ;p | 20:59 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster1: second meeting room set up | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster1: feel free to make http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule look nicer than i did :) | 21:01 |
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| alterego | Wayland for MeeGo 1.3 :) | 21:02 |
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| berndhs | forget testing for Wayland, jsut ship it | 21:03 |
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| lcuk | I was running dd today to load the DE image on my device | 21:32 |
| lcuk | when it finished, it told me: | 21:32 |
| lcuk | dd copied 3816816641 bytes (3.8 GB) copied, 5339.45 s, 715 kB/s | 21:32 |
| lcuk | that was from my laptop, over usb, into n900 and onto the eMMC shared from there | 21:33 |
| lcuk | what data speed do others get when copying images? | 21:33 |
| alterego | Mine is usually about 10MB/s | 21:33 |
| alterego | fluctuates from 8 up to 12 sometimes though | 21:34 |
| lcuk | any idea which components I would need to peek at to try and find reason? | 21:34 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Hrm... that's like sub-USB-1.0 speed. | 21:34 |
| alterego | I guess check you're using ehci and not ohci | 21:34 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, that has been usb speed since year . | 21:35 |
| lcuk | ok alterego, how would I check that? | 21:35 |
| alterego | Is you laptop usb 1? :) | 21:35 |
| alterego | lsmod | grep hci | 21:35 |
| lcuk | ahci is tere | 21:35 |
| lcuk | s/tere/there/ | 21:36 |
| infobot | lcuk meant: ahci is there | 21:36 |
| alterego | Not sure what ahci is, but it's probably > usb 1.0 | 21:36 |
| alterego | Does dmesg say anything about it? | 21:36 |
| alterego | Like failed read/writes? | 21:36 |
| alterego | My laptop controller seems to get flakey on large copies when I'm using other USB devices. | 21:37 |
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| alterego | Well, some other usb devices, my mouse works fine | 21:37 |
| lcuk | usb 2-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 15 | 21:37 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: what does `lsusb` and `lsusb -t` give you? | 21:37 |
| lcuk | a mo, I will pastebin | 21:38 |
| alterego | Well, seems to think the device is using ehci .. | 21:38 |
| alterego | Which is positive | 21:38 |
| gabrbedd | sometimes... it makes a difference which one you've plugged it in to | 21:38 |
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| gabrbedd | E.g. a device can reserve bandwidth. | 21:38 |
| gabrbedd | I once had trouble using a USB audio card because the PC was internally sharing a hub with the webcam. (And the webcam reserved too much bandwidth, even when not in use) | 21:39 |
| alterego | wtf is going on in meego-meeting? | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i think your script didn't work | 21:41 |
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| lbt | I think someone configured it to run as a daemon ;) | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:42 |
| lbt | under daemontools.... | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | did you spot #meego-meeting? | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:42 |
| gabrbedd | Definately daemonic | 21:42 |
| alterego | Hah | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | -d means fork into background, fiw | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | fwiw | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:42 |
| lbt | no... I saw ps | 21:42 |
| gabrbedd | FTW | 21:43 |
| alterego | I was waiting for M666oBub | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so that part didn't work | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:43 |
| lbt | OK - so it'll restart now | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: you're the one killing it? | 21:53 |
| lbt | yes | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 21:53 |
| phl0x81 | what was the OpenGL support in MeeGo again? OpenGL ES 2.0? | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | ES2.0 | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | well, for qt | 21:55 |
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| lbt | mumble ... too painful | 21:57 |
| lbt | daemontools is kinda neat ... and kinda cryptic | 21:57 |
| lbt | keeping errors visible long after they've been cleared | 21:57 |
| lbt | DNS and nginx is setup.. now need to point the web1 at it | 21:58 |
| lbt | someone let me know if meego.com goes down | 21:58 |
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| saidinesh5 | pohly: ping | 22:21 |
| pohly | saidinesh5: pong | 22:21 |
| saidinesh5 | the current master doesn't build for me... basically it is throwing me errors at the WebDav backend | 22:21 |
| saidinesh5 | it seems like there are no configure checks for that | 22:21 |
| saidinesh5 | the first error comes at line 20 of | 22:22 |
| saidinesh5 | backends/webdav/WebDAVSource.cpp | 22:23 |
| saidinesh5 | with the line 20 above the #ifdef | 22:24 |
| saidinesh5 | now i'm not sure one can simply move that line into the #ifdef ENABLE_DAV ..... | 22:26 |
| pohly | Then I screwed up the build without webdav. | 22:27 |
| pohly | I see why. Will fix in a second. | 22:29 |
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| saidinesh5 | hmm.... the thing is #ifdef ENABLE_DAV has been used in a different way in | 22:29 |
| saidinesh5 | WebDAVSourceRegister | 22:29 |
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| saidinesh5 | so i think it means a different thing | 22:30 |
| saidinesh5 | sure :) | 22:30 |
| pohly | Yes, it is no longer consistent. WebDAVCredentialsOkay must be outside of ifdefs in all cases. | 22:30 |
| pohly | Nightly builds are still having issues due to the recent experiments with WebDAV/CalDAV/build platform. Otherwise I would have noticed in a build failure in one of the minimal configs. Oh well. | 22:31 |
| saidinesh5 | ih | 22:32 |
| saidinesh5 | oh | 22:32 |
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| vgrade | alterego, good news then :) | 22:40 |
| alterego | Yes :) | 22:40 |
| * alterego is happy as larry | 22:40 | |
| alterego | Well, if I can raise about 1200 quid :D | 22:40 |
| lbt | now we have multiple meego meeting rooms.... who thinks they should be named? #meego-meeting-pink is so much better than #meego-meeting2 | 22:41 |
| CosmoHill | why do we have so many rooms? | 22:41 |
| lbt | we are legion | 22:41 |
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| lbt | (conflicts) | 22:42 |
| lbt | anyhow... just a though | 22:42 |
| lbt | t | 22:42 |
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| CosmoHill | will #meego-meeting-pink be about the UX and carried out in a slightly effeminate way | 22:42 |
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| * lbt has a pink shirt.... wanna make something of it? eh? eh? | 22:42 | |
| * lbt makes a note not to wash it with red socks again.... | 22:43 | |
| CosmoHill | actually yes | 22:43 |
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| mihero | washed the white shirt with red socks? | 22:43 |
| lbt | have you seen the price of pink shirts! | 22:43 |
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| CosmoHill | have you seen the price of petrol? damn thing goes up 3p / litre every time I top up | 22:44 |
| * lbt wanders off to do some dance practice.... | 22:44 | |
| Myrtti | -meeting-salmon -meeting-mahimahi -meeting-vendance -meeting-halibut | 22:44 |
| Myrtti | vendace even | 22:44 |
| DawnFoster1 | well, you can all blame me for lack of creative naming schemes ;) | 22:46 |
| CosmoHill | says the person with a 1 at the end of their name | 22:46 |
| DawnFoster1 | ha! | 22:46 |
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| mihero | name them after a songs, meeting-hurt, meeting-oops,i-did-it-again... | 22:46 |
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| alterego | I might have to take out a bank loan to pay for the flights to San Fran :D | 22:47 |
| compengi | are there many here that run meego on n900? | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | compengi: yes | 22:47 |
| CosmoHill | will their be #meego-greenroom for pre-meeting drinks? | 22:47 |
| alterego | compengi: more in #meego-arm | 22:47 |
| compengi | Stskeeps, cool.. does it run smoothly? | 22:47 |
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| CosmoHill | could have #meego-talking for less formal meetings | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | compengi: better than it used to | 22:48 |
| CosmoHill | #meego-nobodyexpectsthespanishinquisition-meeting | 22:49 |
| alterego | Bored now | 22:49 |
| CosmoHill | that channel will also enforce correct grammar and spelling | 22:49 |
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| mihero | then it would have to be #MeeGo-... channel | 22:50 |
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| CosmoHill | #meego+meeting | 22:51 |
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| pixelgeek | So, at the risk of opening myself up to a world of hurt here... | 22:57 |
| pixelgeek | Is there anything you want to see demo'ed at the SF MeeGo Conference? | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | is it interesting and you'll show up - no session already? submit it for the Late Breaking News call that should open up two weeks before conference :) | 22:58 |
| pixelgeek | I should back up. | 22:59 |
| pixelgeek | Yes, I am showing up - I'm on the hook for demos in one of the booths in the lobby | 22:59 |
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| pixelgeek | Right now, I'm planning to bring the demo that Renee James showed in her keynote at IDF | 23:00 |
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| pixelgeek | What else are people interested in seeing? | 23:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | Steve Jobs exploding on stage, leaving only his black turtleneck behind. | 23:04 |
| pixelgeek | Hmmm.. might be tough to arrange... | 23:04 |
| lolloo | haha | 23:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | hehehe | 23:05 |
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| * gabrbedd would settle for an Eloplosion | 23:06 | |
| pixelgeek | So I'm sensing a theme of things exploding. | 23:06 |
| pixelgeek | I wonder if the Hyatt management will be OK with that. | 23:07 |
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| gabrbedd | pixelgeek: I didn't see RJ's keynote. What did he demo? | 23:10 |
| gabrbedd | pixelgeek: I.e. what sort of demo's do you have in mind? | 23:10 |
| pixelgeek | She showed a mother helping her child with his homework | 23:10 |
| pixelgeek | The child started off doing his homework on a MeeGo TV 'set top box' | 23:11 |
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| pixelgeek | Then asked his mother for help. She transfers the program to her tablet. | 23:11 |
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| pixelgeek | She helps him with the maths problem | 23:12 |
| pixelgeek | Then for the next question, she tells him he has to ask his teacher, so she transers the program on to his classmate PC running MeeGo for him to take to school with him. | 23:13 |
| gabrbedd | pixelgeek: transfers what? | 23:14 |
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| gabrbedd | BTW, I think I've seen videos where vgrade (or someone) doing that with movies -- transferring the playback between several devices. | 23:15 |
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| pixelgeek | Yes, we showed that in Dublin. :) | 23:16 |
| gabrbedd | ok... maybe it was you. :-) | 23:16 |
| pixelgeek | We can also show a game played between two player on their own devices, with the TV showing the board for other spectators. | 23:17 |
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| saidinesh5 | also pohly , currently the bugreports (from the Dr.Konqi / the GUI) are set to goto "syncevolution@syncevolution.org" , which one will manually email via. their KMail | 23:18 |
| saidinesh5 | (in the KAboutData before initializing the KApplications) | 23:18 |
| pixelgeek | ^^ transfers the whole program - it starts up on the other device at exactly the same point as it stopped on the first device. | 23:18 |
| ali1234 | how does that work? | 23:19 |
| saidinesh5 | so If we want, we can change that to the KDE's Bugzilla or some other address | 23:19 |
| pohly | saidinesh5: what information will be sent to the list? Is it potentially confidential? | 23:20 |
| pixelgeek | ali1234: magic! | 23:21 |
| saidinesh5 | pohly: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271450 sample bug report | 23:21 |
| pixelgeek | ;) | 23:21 |
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| saidinesh5 | basically a backtrace | 23:22 |
| ali1234 | pixelgeek: specifically i would like to know in what way programs need to be modified to support this | 23:23 |
| saidinesh5 | and a user provided information | 23:23 |
| pixelgeek | ali1234: I understand. I don't know if we publicized the technology behind it yet, but it's all based on existing standards. | 23:24 |
| pohly | Let's keep the public email list then. | 23:24 |
| ali1234 | that doesn't answer my question at all :) | 23:24 |
| ali1234 | presumably the program has to be modified to serialize it's entire state to a file | 23:25 |
| pixelgeek | :) Buy me a beer sometime | 23:25 |
| ali1234 | then that has to be transfered over the network | 23:25 |
| ali1234 | then there has to be a version of the program available on the other device | 23:25 |
| ali1234 | anyway as far as demos go | 23:27 |
| ali1234 | i would prefer to see a demo of something that is available now | 23:28 |
| gabrbedd | pixelgeek: You looking for existing tech... or something that you'd have to do a little dev? | 23:28 |
| saidinesh5 | pohly: that is the current one itself right? | 23:28 |
| ali1234 | not a rigged demo of something that may or may not be available at some point in the future | 23:28 |
| pixelgeek | So, displays of shipping netbooks, IVI, tablet with MeeGo then? | 23:28 |
| saidinesh5 | (syncevolution@syncevolution.org) | 23:29 |
| ali1234 | yes, but make them do something that the others can't | 23:29 |
| gabrbedd | pixelgeek: Yeah, that'll pack'em in the aisles! | 23:29 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 23:29 |
| pixelgeek | Hmmm... Such as? | 23:29 |
| pohly | saidinesh5: yes | 23:29 |
| ali1234 | i dunno, i don't think meego can do anything particularly unique at this point | 23:29 |
| saidinesh5 | cool... | 23:29 |
| pixelgeek | Yes | 23:29 |
| ali1234 | anyway you don't want to listen to me, i'm not even going | 23:30 |
| pixelgeek | It's a real challeng to differentiate on software. | 23:30 |
| gabrbedd | pixelgeek: How about this: tether several MeeGo devices so that their displays are either a large, composited display or a multi-headed display. | 23:30 |
| ali1234 | that has nothing to do with meego | 23:31 |
| pixelgeek | gabrbedd: existing tech, or something off the shelf that we can run on | 23:31 |
| ali1234 | how about setting up a bunch of devices and then adding them all to each others contacts list so that people can message and video call each other | 23:31 |
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| ali1234 | thus demonstrating that a large number of different devices with different UIs can successfully work together | 23:32 |
| pixelgeek | ali1234: that could work. | 23:32 |
| ali1234 | of course, prepare to run into a LOT of bugs | 23:33 |
| ali1234 | you'll want to get at least one device of each UX as well | 23:33 |
| ali1234 | throw up a upnp media server with some stuff on it too | 23:34 |
| ali1234 | and you'll probably need your own wireless network to make this work, since conference = network doesn't work properly | 23:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | gabrbedd: actually, the video of transferring media was me | 23:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | gabrbedd: it was a linuxMCE demonstration. | 23:35 |
| ali1234 | TSCHAKeee: someone demonstrated it on meego at dublin | 23:35 |
| ali1234 | of course it was a rigged demo, you can't do it on the real meego | 23:36 |
| gabrbedd | TSCHAKeee: ok, thanks. | 23:36 |
| TSCHAKeee | LinuxMCE actually exists and does this. | 23:36 |
| ali1234 | yes i know | 23:36 |
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| lbt | phaeron: so, ircbot works... and that means we have a bot we can use for alerts | 23:51 |
| lbt | since you don't like packaging... I was going to package supybot-mailed-notifier | 23:52 |
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| phaeron | ok | 23:54 |
| lbt | phaeron: you could help by figuring out why I get no srcserver events | 23:54 |
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