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Stskeeps | DawnFoster: there's a spreadsheet of first wave in Re: Grid for sessions at MeeGo Conf , from me | 00:07 |
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Stskeeps | i think the communication broke down horribly along the way :) | 00:08 |
DawnFoster | Stskeeps: yeah, I only saw the grid spreadsheet (rooms / times) - didn't see this other one with names | 00:09 |
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DawnFoster | Stskeeps: thanks - this is exactly what I needed | 00:09 |
Stskeeps | DawnFoster: this is at least the first batch, seems like we don't have any sessions except thiago's marked and no mails sent out yet | 00:09 |
Stskeeps | marked as accepted, that is.. | 00:10 |
DawnFoster | Stskeeps: it gives us enough to start our sponsored travel decsions | 00:10 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 00:11 |
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timeless_w7ip | alterego: fwiw, the hotel room thing confused me yesterday | 00:28 |
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alterego | timeless_w7ip: yeah, my problem is, I always seem to screw up my submissions somehow. | 00:49 |
alterego | That's why I missed Dublin :( | 00:49 |
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timeless_w7ip | err, don't miss this time! | 00:51 |
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alterego | Well, it's not my choice, hopefully my submission is all in order this time. | 00:52 |
alterego | It is now up to the gods to decide. | 00:53 |
alterego | Well, Dawn. | 00:53 |
alterego | :D | 00:53 |
DawnFoster | ha! | 00:53 |
alterego | ;) | 00:53 |
DawnFoster | I am but one member of the selection committee :) | 00:53 |
alterego | I know, I was just joking because I knew you were around :) | 00:54 |
DawnFoster | and to see if I was paying attention :) | 00:54 |
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* w00t_ bribes DawnFoster under the table to reject alterego :-p | 00:55 | |
alterego | :) | 00:55 |
thiago_home | Stskeeps: ping, got a sec? | 00:55 |
alterego | tbh, I don't mind, I just don't want it to be my fault. | 00:55 |
alterego | I've missed every maemo and meego summit so far. | 00:56 |
alterego | If it wasn't for the Cambridge network me and vgrade have been doing I'd not have met anyone :) | 00:56 |
* w00t_ has only been to Dublin | 00:56 | |
w00t_ | already booked for SF though | 00:56 |
alterego | Really? You've been around ages though :) | 00:57 |
alterego | I swear I remember you from 770 days | 00:57 |
w00t_ | nope | 00:57 |
alterego | Oh :) | 00:57 |
w00t_ | well | 00:57 |
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w00t_ | I sort of hung around for a while around the 800-810 times I *think* | 00:57 |
w00t_ | but never really got interested or bought one until the n900 | 00:57 |
w00t_ | I always had a compulsion that I didn't need Yet Another Device (irony being that now I have too many) | 00:57 |
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DawnFoster | w00t_: nice try! | 01:05 |
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w00t_ | DawnFoster: but.. but.. the payment already left my bank account | 01:05 |
alterego | I have redundant hardware. | 01:05 |
alterego | I should probably get rid of some of it. | 01:05 |
alterego | But nothing current enough for me to use. | 01:06 |
alterego | Just old PC104 boards I got from my previous job. | 01:06 |
alterego | Loads of ACORN machines. | 01:06 |
* w00t_ is soon to lose a netbook, going back to the office | 01:06 | |
alterego | I lost my netbook ages ago :( | 01:06 |
w00t_ | I have a laptop I want to sell at some point | 01:06 |
alterego | My gf stole it | 01:06 |
w00t_ | then I'll be back to more reasonable levels of hardware excess | 01:06 |
alterego | What's the make/model/spec ? | 01:07 |
alterego | I'm actually really happy with my laptop, still don't have any inclination to upgrade and the model is 3 years old now .. | 01:07 |
alterego | I should probably fork out for a little more RAM at some point though. | 01:07 |
w00t_ | sony vaio, I can't remember the model off the top of my head, iirc it's a dual (possibly quad) core 4gb/RAM setup, ~2 years old, I think | 01:08 |
alterego | Ah ,probably a little better than mine. | 01:08 |
alterego | I've got a nice shiny Dell XPS M1530 :) Core 2 Duo 2G RAM | 01:08 |
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alterego | Nice nVidia 8600 GPU too | 01:09 |
alterego | (reminds me, really wanna get back into CUDA at some point) | 01:09 |
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alterego | IS there something broken with the wiki? | 01:12 |
alterego | I can't login, it just redirects me to my profile page for meego.com | 01:12 |
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w00t_ | pretty sure there's a bug about that somewhere | 01:13 |
w00t_ | there was, at least | 01:13 |
alterego | Yeah, is there a work around? | 01:13 |
w00t_ | go to meego.com, login there, then go to the wiki | 01:13 |
alterego | Didn't work | 01:13 |
alterego | Logging out did it | 01:13 |
w00t_ | SSO is a nightmare | 01:13 |
DawnFoster | that's my favorite bug | 01:13 |
w00t_ | (as usual) | 01:13 |
DawnFoster | sigh | 01:13 |
DawnFoster | I have to do that about a dozen times a day | 01:14 |
DawnFoster | we haven't been able to track down the fix | 01:14 |
alterego | Heh | 01:14 |
alterego | Someone as done some really interesting typos on this page, so I thought I'd correct them ;) | 01:15 |
* lbt mutters something about php | 01:15 | |
alterego | :) | 01:15 |
alterego | Better not be praise :P | 01:15 |
lbt | the wiki does load balancing across 2 app servers .. session ping pong | 01:15 |
w00t_ | lbt: it can be done, quite well | 01:16 |
lbt | so apparently the php solution is to set an upstream diversion cookie so the same session hits the same app server ... | 01:16 |
lbt | w00t_: so can hand coded assembler | 01:16 |
w00t_ | there is a better way | 01:16 |
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alterego | mysql backed session stores? | 01:16 |
w00t_ | I can put you in touch with a sysadmin friend of mine who could tell you how | 01:16 |
w00t_ | no | 01:16 |
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lbt | w00t_: the php guys we have are good :) | 01:17 |
w00t_ | we had a farm with ~9 webservers or something along those lines, with sessions freely migrated between them, without mysql, by the time he was done | 01:17 |
alterego | I'm just saying how I'd do it. | 01:18 |
alterego | But I don't use PHP | 01:18 |
w00t_ | alterego: doesn't scale particularly well | 01:18 |
alterego | I'm a RoR man myself. | 01:18 |
lbt | alterego: really | 01:18 |
w00t_ | especially not when your databases are (as ours were) already busy | 01:18 |
alterego | Yeah, I don't know much about super-duper-scalability tbh | 01:18 |
lbt | alterego: I may come begging | 01:18 |
* lbt is packaging rails for Debian | 01:19 | |
lbt | sid | 01:19 |
alterego | :) | 01:19 |
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w00t_ | lbt: anyway, do you want me to send him your way sometime? | 01:19 |
lbt | they have a new packaging system ... gem2deb | 01:19 |
lbt | w00t_: if he's interested in helping out... sure | 01:19 |
* alterego shudders | 01:19 | |
lbt | alterego: nah, it's nice | 01:19 |
w00t_ | ok, will ping him when i see him next | 01:19 |
lbt | w00t_: ta | 01:19 |
alterego | the whole gem vs deb thing is a pain in my ass :) | 01:20 |
lbt | alterego: looks like it's becoming a bit saner | 01:20 |
alterego | Well, that's positive. | 01:20 |
lbt | which is why I'm bothering | 01:20 |
alterego | I'll have to look into that. | 01:20 |
lbt | I just the other day did a recursive 'gem2deb rails' | 01:20 |
alterego | sysadmin'ing a load of rails apps from various iterations of rails must be a nightmare. | 01:20 |
lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Albt%3Arails | 01:20 |
alterego | Luckily I'm not that big and I keep everythign quite up to date myself. | 01:21 |
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lbt | in a "holy mother of .... build deps" kinda way... | 01:21 |
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alterego | Well, it's most people do the rails freeze approach, so you have a crap tonne of copies of the same libraries all of varying versions. | 01:22 |
lbt | I just need to write a ~> to Depends: + Conflicts: now | 01:22 |
lbt | alterego: yeah ... I have a 5 line script and 'bundle' about 23 libraries... | 01:22 |
lbt | but I need to get RoR up and running to do the community promotion to Apps process | 01:24 |
alterego | Well if you need an experienced rails' dev I'm always around ;) | 01:24 |
lbt | neat - I'd appreciate that | 01:24 |
alterego | np | 01:25 |
* alterego loves developing in Ruby :) | 01:27 | |
alterego | And Rails' is such a joy to use. | 01:27 |
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alterego | Looks like the search bar in the wiki is broken too .. | 01:29 |
alterego | buggy CSS | 01:29 |
lbt | I don't dare get involved | 01:30 |
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DawnFoster | alterego: how is the search box broken? (worksforme) | 01:35 |
alterego | In my browser it renders below the main content | 01:35 |
alterego | So if you've got a lot of content, it's right at hte bottom. | 01:35 |
alterego | I'll take a screenshot. | 01:36 |
DawnFoster | weird | 01:36 |
DawnFoster | which broswer? | 01:36 |
DawnFoster | and example of a page that does it? | 01:36 |
alterego | Firefox 3.6.16 | 01:36 |
alterego | The front page does it | 01:37 |
alterego | From what I can tell, it's like that on every page for me ;) | 01:37 |
alterego | http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/shared/meego-wiki-firefox-bug.png | 01:38 |
DawnFoster | weird | 01:39 |
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DawnFoster | i'm not seeing that issue (firefox 4.0, safari or chrome) | 01:40 |
DawnFoster | what OS? | 01:40 |
alterego | Ubuntu 10.10 | 01:40 |
alterego | Nothing special about my setup either. | 01:41 |
DawnFoster | must be some obscure css thing | 01:41 |
DawnFoster | sometimes displays just a little differently by OS. | 01:41 |
alterego | Anyone here particularly familiar with obs? | 01:41 |
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DawnFoster | can you file a bug for it? | 01:42 |
alterego | Specifically using osc to build a package locally. | 01:42 |
alterego | I've forgotten how :( | 01:42 |
alterego | DawnFoster: yeah, doing it now. | 01:42 |
* TSCHAKeee has never built an osc package locally | 01:42 | |
lbt | alterego: ... a little | 01:42 |
lbt | try "osc build" | 01:42 |
alterego | I've forgotten the "osc build" command line :S | 01:42 |
lbt | try "osc build --help" | 01:42 |
lbt | actually try "osc --help" too sometime | 01:43 |
alterego | :) | 01:43 |
lbt | actually quite useful | 01:43 |
alterego | Yeah, not sure what to put in the REPOSITORY field .. | 01:43 |
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lbt | very often it is 'standard' | 01:44 |
lbt | which project? | 01:44 |
alterego | meego-handset-dialer | 01:44 |
alterego | Oh wait, | 01:44 |
alterego | It's telling me what to use :D | 01:44 |
alterego | Hah, yeah, this is working now :D | 01:45 |
lbt | edit your ~/.oscrc too | 01:45 |
lbt | you can set the chroot | 01:45 |
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alterego | Can't seem to specify the architecture. | 01:46 |
lbt | also useful is to add certain things to the preinstall of a local build (like gdb) | 01:46 |
lbt | yeah, just add it | 01:46 |
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lbt | osc build standard armv8el my.spec | 01:47 |
lbt | it defaults to host native | 01:47 |
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alterego | Ah, got it | 01:48 |
alterego | Hurp, that didn't work either. | 01:48 |
lbt | c.obs ? | 01:49 |
alterego | Yeah | 01:49 |
alterego | Well, build.pub | 01:49 |
alterego | Oh, so armv7hl isn't a support architecture in obs? | 01:50 |
lbt | ask Stskeeps to explain it sometime | 01:51 |
lbt | we have schedulers which runs emulators which can manage different arch emulations. Then the prjconf sets gcc flags.... | 01:51 |
lbt | it's all very complicated and not at all like perl | 01:52 |
alterego | Heh | 01:52 |
lbt | you need to match the arch of the repo you're targeting | 01:52 |
lbt | armv7el in your case | 01:52 |
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alterego | So: osc build Project_DE_Trunk_Testing_standard armv7el meego-handset-dialer.spec | 01:53 |
lbt | what obj code it produces depends on that maze | 01:53 |
alterego | looks right? | 01:53 |
lbt | yes | 01:53 |
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alterego | Which shockingly enough looks like it's working | 01:54 |
lbt | and barring kernel versions it uses the same binaries as the OBS | 01:54 |
alterego | Hmmm, it's complaining about a bunch of missing packages | 01:55 |
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alterego | Well, it seems to be trying to download them and it's saying "not found at repo.pub.meego.com" | 01:55 |
lbt | yes.. that's not helpful | 01:55 |
lbt | it will work | 01:55 |
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alterego | m'kay, | 01:55 |
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lbt | it tries different places and lets you know what fails | 01:55 |
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lbt | people often ^C | 01:56 |
alterego | Heh | 01:56 |
alterego | Well, I think I vaguely remember this from the last time ;) | 01:56 |
smoku | is closing bugs as WONTFIX without any explanation why a standard course of action in MeeGo? | 01:56 |
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lbt | me hits ^C at 16/332 ... too big | 01:56 |
lbt | smoku: deja vu ? | 01:56 |
smoku | lbt: yeah. I saw that in some other big project also | 01:57 |
lbt | nah.... never happen in meego...way too open for that... ;) | 01:57 |
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alterego | :) | 01:58 |
DawnFoster | smoku: can you send me a couple of links where that's happened? | 01:58 |
smoku | DawnFoster: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14195 | 01:59 |
MeeGoBot | Bug 14195 nor, Medium, ---, peter.j.zhu, REOP, Touchscreen does not work in SDL fullscreen mode. | 01:59 |
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smoku | DawnFoster: I already reopened it with a question, after peter <peter.j.zhu@intel.com> RESOLVED it as WONTFIX | 02:00 |
DawnFoster | do you have another example? | 02:00 |
ali1234 | just fyi SDL has it's own touchscreen driver | 02:01 |
smoku | just this one | 02:01 |
DawnFoster | I can help poke people, but need to decide if this is an issue of educating one or 2 people or a persistent issue | 02:01 |
smoku | ali1234: very well. short "upstream bug" comment would be enough | 02:02 |
ali1234 | if that's the case it's not even a bug | 02:02 |
DawnFoster | still deserves a comment with *why* it was marked as wontfix | 02:03 |
ali1234 | anyway the actual bug is a different issue | 02:03 |
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smoku | something not working is not a bug?? that's new :) | 02:03 |
ali1234 | smoku: the touchscreen is working as a touchscreen? | 02:03 |
ali1234 | cos that's what it sounds like | 02:03 |
ali1234 | is it a bug if my keyboard doesn't work as a toaster too? | 02:04 |
smoku | ali1234: please read the description of the bug. | 02:04 |
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ali1234 | so you can't click anywhere except where the mouse pointer is when fullscreen? | 02:05 |
DawnFoster | feel free to ping me if you see other examples of bugs being closed as wontfix without some explanation. | 02:05 |
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DawnFoster | I'm always happy to help | 02:05 |
ali1234 | ie tapping anywhere sends a click event to where the mouse pointer is only | 02:06 |
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smoku | ali1234: yes. | 02:07 |
smoku | ant it's not a bug? :) | 02:07 |
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ali1234 | that is different then | 02:08 |
ali1234 | (and not entirely clear from first glance at the report) | 02:08 |
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ali1234 | if it was SDL's built in TS driver, you'd get click events where ever you tap but wouldn't see the mouse pointer moving | 02:09 |
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smoku | DawnFoster: I will. but meego developers already discouraged me badly from even reporting bugs, so I don't have that many open... | 02:09 |
ali1234 | well, assuming SDL had the correct calibration for the TS which it might not | 02:09 |
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alterego | lbt: BuildService API error: can't verify packages due to lack of GPG keys | 02:09 |
alterego | :( | 02:09 |
DawnFoster | with specific examples of bad behavior, I can help fix things | 02:09 |
lbt | alterego: host is debian based? | 02:10 |
alterego | Yeah | 02:10 |
alterego | ubuntu 10.10 | 02:10 |
smoku | DawnFoster: you already did. :-) | 02:10 |
smoku | thx | 02:10 |
ali1234 | hey speaking of bad gpg keys on ubuntu 10.10 when are they going to fix the opensuse-keychain package? | 02:10 |
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DawnFoster | I think people in the community would be shocked at the amount of time I spend educating people at Intel, arm twisting, and getting people to make better decisions :) | 02:10 |
ali1234 | everytime i run an update i get a warning about expired keys | 02:10 |
lbt | osc build --no-verify ... | 02:11 |
alterego | Ah, yes | 02:11 |
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alterego | lbt: thanks for helping me with my newbish questions ;) | 02:11 |
lbt | np | 02:11 |
ali1234 | W: GPG error: http://download.opensuse.org ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1270156083 | 02:11 |
* lbt builds RoR credit | 02:11 | |
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smoku | DawnFoster: yeah. but you know, that the real issue is that people bitching like me are 1/10 or maybe less... rest just don't bother and silently goes away | 02:13 |
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DawnFoster | I know, but encourage people to bring things to my attention. I really can help with some of it. | 02:15 |
DawnFoster | the community is so huge that I don't catch everything. | 02:15 |
alterego | She's got a whip and everything. | 02:15 |
DawnFoster | and I know we have some issues with how certain people are handling bugs (I'm working on it) | 02:15 |
DawnFoster | alterego: ha! I wish - it might help on some days :) | 02:16 |
ali1234 | someone who knows how to write bugzilla queries could do a search where the person who set WONTFIX didn't comment, and then start checking the bugs... | 02:16 |
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ali1234 | hmm... all that huge search interface and i can't even search by "number of comments = 0"? | 02:19 |
alterego | :) | 02:19 |
alterego | You'll have to do it manually then :P | 02:19 |
alterego | How many wontfix bugs are there? :D | 02:19 |
ali1234 | 778 | 02:20 |
DawnFoster | even number of comments = 0 won't get you there | 02:20 |
ali1234 | sure it will, if it's wontfix and comments = 0, and closer != reporter | 02:20 |
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DawnFoster | since someone usually left a comment at some point but not necessarily the closer | 02:20 |
ali1234 | then by definition the closer did not give a reason | 02:20 |
ali1234 | sure it won't get them all but it's a start | 02:21 |
DawnFoster | true, but you'd miss a huge chunk of them | 02:21 |
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ali1234 | here's one i just found: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10011 | 02:23 |
MeeGoBot | Bug 10011 nor, Medium, ---, yong.y.wang, RESO WONTFIX, XF86WLAN keyboard shortcut does not work | 02:23 |
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ali1234 | i see a lot of bugs getting WONTFIX "there's no feature for that" - wouldn't it be more appropriate to make is WISHLIST of FEATURE or whatever it's called? | 02:30 |
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MrBIOS | re | 02:30 |
DawnFoster | I've just updated the wiki process to specify that comments are mandatory for INVALID/WONTFIX/WORKSFORME | 02:31 |
DawnFoster | now, I'll poke a few people :) | 02:31 |
TSCHAKeee | huh, why is that one wontfix? | 02:32 |
TSCHAKeee | that one makes sense | 02:32 |
MrBIOS | is it possible to do an anonymous checkout of glibc from meego's trunk? | 02:32 |
ali1234 | MrBIOS: sure, grab the source rpm? | 02:33 |
MrBIOS | donde? | 02:33 |
TSCHAKeee | grab the source rpm, and do an rpmbuild --rebuild | 02:33 |
MrBIOS | yes, source rpm from where? | 02:33 |
lbt | MrBIOS: unless this is a one-off hack ... I suggest using the OBS | 02:34 |
gabrbedd | MrBIOS: Trunk is on build.meego.com | 02:34 |
gabrbedd | http://build.meego.com/project/show?project=Trunk | 02:34 |
ali1234 | won't the OBS effectively just give you an unpacked copy of the srpm and not much else? | 02:35 |
gabrbedd | MrBIOS: lbt may correct me... but there's no "anonymous checkout", as in access to revision history. But you can download everything you need from the web interface. | 02:35 |
lbt | I think you can 'see' revisions | 02:36 |
lbt | but the OBS doesn't do version control | 02:36 |
gabrbedd | ali1234: Sort of. He asked for "Trunk" and not one of the daily/weekly builds... and trunk in on build.meego.com | 02:36 |
ali1234 | ok fair point | 02:37 |
lbt | you could fork it to c.obs too | 02:37 |
lbt | http://build.meego.com/package/source_history?package=glibc&project=Trunk | 02:37 |
gabrbedd | lbt: what is c.obs? | 02:38 |
gabrbedd | oh... community. | 02:38 |
gabrbedd | duh. | 02:38 |
MrBIOS | yeah, I got to http://build.meego.com/package/files?package=glibc&project=Trunk | 02:38 |
MrBIOS | but the tarballs aren't downloadable | 02:38 |
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gabrbedd | MrBIOS: Overview -> standard ->Go to download repository | 02:39 |
MrBIOS | not seeing 'standard' | 02:40 |
gabrbedd | The SRPMS are in src/ | 02:40 |
gabrbedd | On the right under "Build Status" | 02:40 |
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MrBIOS | got it | 02:40 |
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MrBIOS | http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk/standard/src/glibc-2.11.90-23.40.src.rpm thanks | 02:41 |
MrBIOS | hm, there's also a glibc-x86 srpm there | 02:41 |
MrBIOS | but it's tiny | 02:41 |
ali1234 | random question: is there any package management system that uses git repos instead of tarball + patches + control/spec? | 02:41 |
alterego | xterm? | 02:42 |
alterego | :) | 02:42 |
ali1234 | well that was a random answer | 02:42 |
lbt | ali1234: .deb | 02:43 |
ali1234 | hmm | 02:43 |
ali1234 | ok let me ask another way, is there a distro that actually does this? | 02:43 |
ali1234 | (99.9% of debs use quilt) | 02:43 |
lbt | a distro.... Mer ? | 02:44 |
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lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/UsingGitorious | 02:44 |
lbt | my diagrams scare people | 02:44 |
gabrbedd | MrBIOS: Do you mean a pkg mgmt system that uses git for the database? | 02:45 |
alterego | Yay, first refactoring of meego dialer compiles :) | 02:45 |
ali1234 | ah this would explain why i thought you did a talk on this very subject | 02:45 |
gabrbedd | Or something to managet a distro? | 02:45 |
ali1234 | gabrbedd: i mean a distro where "apt-get source ..." === "git clone ...", and sending patches upstream === "git format-patch" | 02:46 |
MrBIOS | gabrbedd, wrong person :) | 02:47 |
gabrbedd | ali1234: MrBIOS: sorry! | 02:47 |
ali1234 | lbt: if i understand that diagram correctly it seems like exactly what i'm talking about | 02:47 |
lbt | ali1234: :) | 02:48 |
lbt | I simply detest the random patches crap | 02:48 |
lbt | but.... I have to admit that it got complex quickly | 02:48 |
ali1234 | so, how about if it was integrated into OBS then? ;) | 02:49 |
gabrbedd | ali1234: Debian is headed in the direction you're talking about... | 02:49 |
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gabrbedd | ali1234: And fedora /might/ be. | 02:49 |
lbt | I'm working on git-buildpackage | 02:49 |
lbt | and gbq-pq is the patch-queue | 02:49 |
lbt | which I actually debated porting to .spec today | 02:50 |
MrBIOS | is there a guide to getting meego nightly images on to a USB stick? | 02:50 |
lbt | working *with*, not on | 02:50 |
lbt | gbp-pq | 02:50 |
ali1234 | MrBIOS: all meego images for x86 should be DD'd directly to USB stick | 02:50 |
MrBIOS | okay | 02:50 |
gabrbedd | MrBIOS: Either put the DMC URL in your .ks file -- or just use the daily build .img's. | 02:51 |
lbt | http://honk.sigxcpu.org/projects/git-buildpackage/manual-html/gbp.man.gbp.pq.html | 02:51 |
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MrBIOS | gabrbedd DMC? | 02:51 |
MrBIOS | DeLorian Motor Company? | 02:51 |
gabrbedd | MrBIOS: Daily builds are published on download.meego.com. Subscribe to meege-release ML to get the daily notices (and the URL's) | 02:52 |
MrBIOS | Disembodied Mummy Corporatists? | 02:52 |
gabrbedd | E.g. today's build is here http://download.meego.com/trunk-daily/builds/trunk/1.1.99.2.20110411.3/ | 02:52 |
lbt | ali1234: http://vcs-pkg.org/ | 02:53 |
ali1234 | cool | 02:53 |
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lbt | ali1234: I actually think my work in Mer was the most .... real | 02:54 |
gabrbedd | er... yesterday's. | 02:54 |
lbt | I used madduck's ideas and diagrams and built on them | 02:54 |
lbt | but it never matured | 02:54 |
ali1234 | seems like trying to shoe-horn it into an existing package manager would make it too complex | 02:55 |
ali1234 | hence my original question | 02:55 |
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lbt | I only know git in any meaningful way | 02:56 |
lbt | so given that ... what would a git branch structure look like? | 02:56 |
ali1234 | i don't know what you mean? | 02:56 |
gabrbedd | ali1234: Well, Git isn't a good tool for managing large binary blobs long-term. And also pkg maint is a totally different workflow for normal app dev. | 02:56 |
lbt | a typical package has an upstream pristine tar | 02:57 |
ali1234 | gabrbedd: no you miss the point, it's only for managing source | 02:57 |
* gabrbedd goes pick up son from soccer... | 02:57 | |
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alterego | Now how to figure out how to do a merge request. | 02:57 |
lbt | the packager then manages a number of distro patches as well as some distro-only code | 02:57 |
lbt | eg maybe changing the hardcoded path for the config from /etc/sshd.conf to /etc/ssh/sshd.conf | 02:58 |
ali1234 | lbt: well... if i ruled the world the first thing i'd do is start over from only using upstream source :) | 02:58 |
lbt | or fixing a bug that's not been accepted into an upstream release | 02:58 |
ali1234 | then you'd have a branch called "upstream" that tracks.. upstream | 02:58 |
lbt | yeah, let me introduce you to ruby | 02:58 |
ali1234 | and a branch with distro specific packages | 02:58 |
ali1234 | *patches | 02:58 |
lbt | (at which point I suspect you'll start to use windows) | 02:59 |
ali1234 | and then if someone wanted to fork *your* distro, then they'd have a third branch, and so on | 02:59 |
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ali1234 | i realise the idea may not be practical but there you go | 03:00 |
MrBIOS | most ideas aren't practical | 03:00 |
lbt | it's more naive than impractical | 03:00 |
lbt | I know... I've been there :) | 03:00 |
ali1234 | yes, for sure | 03:00 |
ali1234 | i've never made a distro of course | 03:00 |
lbt | yep.... that's the kicker | 03:00 |
ali1234 | actually openwrt kind of works like this i think | 03:01 |
ali1234 | they certainly keep all their packages in some kind of CVS | 03:02 |
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ali1234 | https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/packages | 03:03 |
ali1234 | they just commit patches as seperate files :( | 03:04 |
lbt | *g* | 03:05 |
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lbt | gbp-pq at least allows the patches to be vcs'ed | 03:06 |
lbt | which allows for retreival later | 03:06 |
lbt | and rational handling (cherry picking, re-ordering, merging etc) | 03:07 |
lbt | anyhow... late | 03:07 |
lbt | bed -> | 03:07 |
MrBIOS | hm, so I successfully DD'ed an image to the USB stick, however it does not appear to be bootable | 03:07 |
ali1234 | MrBIOS: you have to dd to the device not the first partition | 03:08 |
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MrBIOS | I did | 03:08 |
MrBIOS | to the device | 03:08 |
MrBIOS | I have an lvm volume there | 03:08 |
MrBIOS | volume name looks right | 03:08 |
alterego | My fans don't like local obs arm builds :D | 03:09 |
MrBIOS | meego-core- blah blah with an isolinux directory and LiveOS dir | 03:09 |
ali1234 | don't know then, that sounds OK | 03:09 |
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MrBIOS | ali1234 should it be LVM? | 03:09 |
MrBIOS | seems wrong | 03:09 |
MrBIOS | where's the boot partition? I don't see one | 03:09 |
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ali1234 | i don't know... i haven't used an image recently | 03:12 |
alterego | Crap, I'm editing the wrong version of the dialer .. | 03:12 |
MrBIOS | ali1234 hm okay, it's iso9660 | 03:13 |
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ali1234 | MrBIOS: yes, it's a hybrid ISO | 03:14 |
MrBIOS | perhaps this BIOS doesn't like booting iso9660 from USB stick | 03:14 |
gabrbedd | MrBIOS: The image is to be installed on a USB stick or a CD-RW... so it'll work for both. | 03:14 |
MrBIOS | I understand that | 03:14 |
MrBIOS | it just doesn't seem to ever be booting | 03:14 |
MrBIOS | I don't even get the initial isolinux text line | 03:14 |
gabrbedd | MrBIOS: you should get a "screen" | 03:15 |
gabrbedd | What image did you download? | 03:15 |
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MrBIOS | I get nada, besudes the BIOS' flashing cursor | 03:15 |
MrBIOS | besides | 03:15 |
MrBIOS | 20110330.3 | 03:15 |
gabrbedd | And are you doing this on a laptop or one of those monsters you're working on? | 03:15 |
MrBIOS | gabrbedd, totally normal intel atom desktop board | 03:16 |
MrBIOS | retail, not a dev board with a funky kernel | 03:16 |
MrBIOS | this is a foxconn | 03:16 |
MrBIOS | with a funky BIOS rather, not kernel | 03:16 |
gabrbedd | did you download the netbook image? | 03:17 |
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MrBIOS | I downloaded the file named meego-core-ia32-base-1.1.99.0.20110330.3.img | 03:18 |
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ali1234 | did you sync before removing the USB stick? | 03:20 |
gabrbedd | FWIW, my best guess is it's a bad burn... something happened wrong in writing it to the flash drive. I suggest trying again and waiting an extra 30-60 secs after it completes --- or burn the image to a CD-RW and boot that instead. | 03:20 |
ali1234 | cos according to what i just read, the boot things are at the end of the image | 03:20 |
MrBIOS | I did :) | 03:20 |
ali1234 | i always sync 3 times | 03:20 |
MrBIOS | ali1234, I made sure to sync. | 03:20 |
gabrbedd | I've run into some flash drives that are flaky... no matter how many times you sync. You gotta give it some "space." | 03:21 |
gabrbedd | Other drives work sane. | 03:21 |
MrBIOS | blah | 03:21 |
MrBIOS | so easy | 03:21 |
MrBIOS | and yet... | 03:21 |
gabrbedd | 2nd best guess is that meego-core isn't the one to try. Try meego-netbook instead. | 03:21 |
MrBIOS | the bootable flag wasn't on on that block device, so I flipped that bit with fdisk, and now it works. | 03:24 |
MrBIOS | now I get the meego grub screen | 03:24 |
ali1234 | hmm bug? | 03:24 |
gabrbedd | Cool! I'ts not grub, tho. | 03:24 |
ali1234 | the ISO should include partition table | 03:24 |
MrBIOS | gabrbedd, whatever it is, the boot menu. it looks like grub :) | 03:25 |
ali1234 | it's syslinux | 03:25 |
MrBIOS | gotcha | 03:25 |
gabrbedd | and when you install to harddrive... it's extlinux. | 03:25 |
gabrbedd | Seems pedantic now -- but later on you'll thank us. :-) | 03:25 |
MrBIOS | understood | 03:25 |
ali1234 | someone told be they're the same thing now | 03:25 |
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ali1234 | technically the ISO is isolinux i guess | 03:26 |
MrBIOS | yeah I saw the isolinux directory, but isolinux is a component of syslinux | 03:26 |
MrBIOS | so pedants delight? | 03:26 |
gabrbedd | ali1234: more or less yes... they have different binaries that are specific to the file system you're booting from. | 03:27 |
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MrBIOS | does anybody here know much about the atom-specific glibc patches? | 03:29 |
MrBIOS | I see a handful of them | 03:29 |
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TSCHAKeee | you know | 04:52 |
TSCHAKeee | it really sucks sometimes when I read messages from engineers asking things like "How do we get accelleration up on the Oak Trail?" When I, with all the want in the world, can never get the fucking hardware. | 04:53 |
TSCHAKeee | no matter how much cash i shove in someone's face. | 04:53 |
TSCHAKeee | that shit gets really old | 04:53 |
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GeneralAntilles | It's not what you know, but who! | 05:11 |
ali1234 | i've been saying for years that a big reason apple is so successful is because you can actually buy their stuff in a shop unlike nearly everything else which you hear announced and then never see again | 05:20 |
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ali1234 | for example, every tablet that supposedly existed before the ipad | 05:21 |
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GeneralAntilles | ali1234: well, that, and they look good doing it. | 05:28 |
Debolaz | And iPhone proved to the public that the concept worked first. | 05:31 |
Debolaz | The iPad is, to the general public, an iPhone with a lot bigger screen. They know the iPhone is awesome, so they trust that the iPad will be awesome too. | 05:32 |
Debolaz | But the ability to actually see the product first hand is of course a very important factor too. | 05:33 |
ali1234 | none of that matters if you can't buy the damn thing | 05:35 |
ali1234 | apple have done well by filling the demand created by others | 05:35 |
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ali1234 | microsoft have been saying tablets are the next big thing for about 10 years now | 05:36 |
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ali1234 | but they never delivered | 05:36 |
ali1234 | now it's too late | 05:36 |
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ali1234 | friend of mine got a bunch of free microsoft software back at university for participating in a microsoft handwriting recognition test for tablet PCs... that was back in 1999 | 05:37 |
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ali1234 | admittedly that probably turned up in windows mobile at some point | 05:38 |
ali1234 | but even those devices were specialty | 05:38 |
ali1234 | couldn't even get screen protectors for them in a highstreet store... people would look at it and go "what's that?" | 05:39 |
ali1234 | that's the win for microsoft from nokia too: nokia can get devices in stores in a way the others can't | 05:43 |
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iekku | morning | 06:39 |
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gabrbedd | \o. | 06:41 |
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gabrbedd | finally isolated a really frustrating OpenGL bug. | 06:42 |
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WB7ODYFred | what bug did you find gabrbedd. Congrats on isolating it | 07:53 |
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timeless_w7ip | dawnfoster: do i count as community wrt being shocked by arm twisting @intel? :) | 08:42 |
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Stskeeps | there is a thing for sponsorship stating you must have proof that your employer said no | 08:43 |
Stskeeps | so thats about it | 08:43 |
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timeless_w7ip | ali1234: fwiw, i'm planning to have mxr's repo.meego.com have a DVCS backend (exposed) for its index | 08:45 |
timeless_w7ip | i haven't gotten around to doing it yet, but.. | 08:45 |
timeless_w7ip | that way you'll be able to retrieve any version of the world that mxr has indexed using a DVCS instead of having to fight obscure tools | 08:45 |
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timeless_w7ip | ali: nokia's track record for getting devices in stores isn't wonderful | 08:49 |
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timeless_w7ip | in fact, if you were an investor in US markets, your best bet whenever Nokia partners w/ a US merchant is to short the merchant | 08:50 |
timeless_w7ip | (nokia seems to pick the companies which go out of business) | 08:50 |
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abhijeet | does qt SDK 1.1 supports developing application for meego device or we have to separately download the meego Qt SDK to develop meego application. | 09:18 |
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TSCHAKeee | ali1234: I first used tablet hardware, back in 1991. I still have the GRiDPAD I bought back then... $8,000 .... Saw the Atari ST Pad later that year at CeBIT. | 09:23 |
TSCHAKeee | ali1234: ....i've been waiting for the "tablet revolution" for long time too. ;) | 09:23 |
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fabo | abhijeet: you need MeeGo SDK | 09:48 |
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abhijeet | fabo: okay... | 10:10 |
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alterego | Is application .ini config files using QSettings prefered over gconf? | 10:41 |
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eraserhead | hello all | 10:48 |
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amjad | i hope i get build.meego.com for packaging powerdebugtool , filed a bug in bugzilla, fingers crossed | 10:54 |
Stskeeps | otherwise there's always build.pub.meego.com | 10:54 |
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amjad | i have it build on build.pub.meego.com. but wanted it to be included into mainline :) | 10:55 |
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Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:58 |
Stskeeps | morn jaffa | 10:58 |
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CosmoHill | you know on windows Adobe Flash prompts you to install updates | 12:28 |
CosmoHill | does the linux client do that? | 12:28 |
alterego | Kind of | 12:28 |
alterego | When you visit a site that requires a greater version it tells you to update :D | 12:29 |
CosmoHill | I'll put down "on" | 12:29 |
CosmoHill | s/on/no/ | 12:29 |
infobot | CosmoHill meant: I'll put down "no" | 12:29 |
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lbt | I have a 6-core CPU and 8Gb of RAM ... WTF does openoffice take 30seconds to change directory ? | 12:50 |
Stskeeps | lbt: NFS? :> | 12:50 |
Myrtti | it's openoffice | 12:50 |
X-Fade | Swap out all the 6GB of RAM openoffice eats? :) | 12:51 |
lbt | Stskeeps: I have nfs on the system... but not these dirs | 12:51 |
lbt | no, not RAM -- only 600Mb resident | 12:52 |
lbt | I think Myrtti got it... :/ | 12:52 |
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Myrtti | if it's normal wordprocessing you need, then try abiword or editor of choice + latex | 12:53 |
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Myrtti | I vote for latter | 12:53 |
lbt | presenter | 12:53 |
lbt | latex.... that's been a while... | 12:54 |
Myrtti | editor of choice + latex + beamer or other presentation slideset package | 12:54 |
lbt | 1993 I think was the last time I used that | 12:54 |
Myrtti | latex is like good wine, it just gets better | 12:54 |
lbt | :) | 12:55 |
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Myrtti | or try jessyink | 12:58 |
Myrtti | or google docs | 12:59 |
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lamikr | I have newer used to use latex directly, but lyx as a kind of frontend suits for me. | 13:16 |
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CosmoHill | ffs my bro's PC got a virus | 13:22 |
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leinir | install linux and go "There! Virus gone" ;) | 13:25 |
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CosmoHill | as soon as WoW release a linux client | 13:29 |
lcapriotti | hi, I'm trying to use uxlaunch on a plain ubuntu, it works but I'd like to achieve a cleaner boot experience | 13:30 |
timeless_w7ip | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_functionality_on_Wine | 13:30 |
lcapriotti | now I have plymouth, then text screen with some boot messages, then X kicks in | 13:30 |
lcapriotti | I'd like to avoid the boot text being shown | 13:30 |
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leinir | CosmoHill: well, i know a good few people who run it in cedega or transgaming... and report better results than on windows... granted, this was a couple of years back, but... :) | 13:33 |
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leinir | ho hum... why can't i find any info about QtSparql on the dev site? as in, at all? | 13:47 |
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Termana | morning | 13:59 |
slaine | morning Termana | 13:59 |
CosmoHill | bleh | 14:00 |
slaine | you too CosmoHill | 14:00 |
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CosmoHill | dammit | 14:03 |
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naquad | can i somehow add slim or gdm to disable autologin? | 16:34 |
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gabrbedd | naquad: I think there's a gconf setting somewhere. E.g. the installer asks (or used to ask... I think) if you wanted a passwordless login. | 16:44 |
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naquad | gabrbedd, exactly vice versa, i need display manager which will ask login and password | 16:45 |
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gabrbedd | naquad: Yes, that's what I said. If there's an option for a pw-less login... then it stands to reason that NOT selection the option will require a password. | 16:53 |
gabrbedd | s/selection/selecting/ | 16:54 |
infobot | gabrbedd meant: naquad: Yes, that's what I said. If there's an option for a pw-less login... then it stands to reason that NOT selecting the option will require a password. | 16:54 |
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gabrbedd | naquad: So I'll bet there's a gconf key so that you can go `gconftool-2 -s -t bool /some/random/path/RequirePassword false` and it'll work | 16:55 |
berndhs | in the netbook installer, there is no option. It is password-less automatically | 16:55 |
gabrbedd | berndhs: I could have sworn I saw it in the 1.0 or 1.1 days... maybe it was removed? Maybe it was a different OS I'm thinking of? I dunno. | 16:56 |
naquad | gabrbedd, berndhs, i've just rewrote uxlaunch + installed slim and xdg-autostart tool | 16:56 |
naquad | works fine | 16:56 |
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gabrbedd | berndhs: But what I always thought was funny about the Netbook UX is that it was by default config'd for password-less. But the screen saver /would/ require a password. | 16:58 |
naquad | gabrbedd, only in case when /etc/sysconfig/lock-screen or ~/.config/lock-screen exist | 16:59 |
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berndhs | gabrbedd: along the same lines, it auto-generates the host name | 17:00 |
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berndhs | so this is supposed to be a 1-user machine, and only 1 machine per user | 17:01 |
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Myrtti | is it just me or is there something funny on meego.com frontpage? | 17:05 |
Myrtti | I see a weird "Link" on the left hand side in the white margin | 17:06 |
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X-Fade | Myrtti: Yeah, the designers don't have widescreen :) | 17:06 |
berndhs | margin looks white here | 17:07 |
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Myrtti | I personally think that the "read more" sf2011 link is broken somehow | 17:07 |
X-Fade | It is a css trick where you move things way left. | 17:07 |
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X-Fade | But not far enough obviously ;) | 17:07 |
Myrtti | ... on row 104 in the html source | 17:07 |
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X-Fade | Yes, css. | 17:08 |
Myrtti | oh ok | 17:08 |
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Myrtti | if I didn't have this bloody headache, I might do a bug report, but right now I can't even glance the white bugzilla page | 17:09 |
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GAN900 | X-Fade, any chance you could look at the IRC cloaks at some point? *g* | 17:11 |
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X-Fade | GAN900: Yes, can you make a list? | 17:12 |
GAN900 | Sure | 17:12 |
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Myrtti | could someone poke reggie | 17:13 |
X-Fade | Myrtti: Why? | 17:13 |
Myrtti | there's a persistant spammer on the forum | 17:14 |
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Myrtti | and I have privileges to do something to the matter only on the General discussion, not on other forums | 17:14 |
Myrtti | and I can't ban | 17:14 |
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X-Fade | Myrtti: ok, pinging.. | 17:15 |
Myrtti | oo, nevermind | 17:15 |
Myrtti | he's online for the looks of it | 17:16 |
X-Fade | Myrtti: Yeah, talking to him. | 17:16 |
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Myrtti | ♥ | 17:16 |
RST38h | Moo, Myrtti | 17:19 |
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Myrtti | mmm pesto chicken | 17:27 |
Myrtti | moo RST38h | 17:27 |
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ScriptRipper | ping lbt | 18:01 |
lbt | hey ScriptRipper | 18:02 |
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ScriptRipper | hey lbt | 20:25 |
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Venemo | ~seen lcuk | 20:44 |
infobot | lcuk <lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 12d 19h 49m 7s ago, saying: 'thiago_home, do kdelibs load faster then?'. | 20:44 |
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gabrbedd | Venemo: His nick showed up in here a few days ago... but he didn't say anything. | 20:46 |
gabrbedd | I'm guessing he just had brief internet access to check e-mail or something. | 20:46 |
Venemo | mhm | 20:47 |
Venemo | thanks gabrbedd :) | 20:47 |
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thiago_home | DawnFoster: ping. Is the TSG meeting for tomorrow morning (tonight your time) confirmed? | 21:30 |
Stskeeps | schedule came out this morning, at least | 21:30 |
Stskeeps | / agenda | 21:30 |
DawnFoster | as of this morning, it was confirmed :) | 21:31 |
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Stskeeps | at least the ZTE joining is a good sign -- and that we finally get a 1.1 compliance program | 21:33 |
Stskeeps | :P | 21:34 |
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thiago_home | just wondering because I know Imad is travelling | 21:34 |
thiago_home | and if it's not happening, I can get another hour of sleep or more | 21:34 |
gabrbedd | thiago_home: You sleep? | 21:37 |
thiago_home | gabrbedd: I fake it | 21:38 |
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gabrbedd | thiago_home: :-) | 21:39 |
DawnFoster | I don't think any of you sleep! | 21:39 |
lbt | why would we sleep ? | 21:39 |
w00t_ | thiago_home never sleeps, he just suspends | 21:39 |
thiago_home | yeah, like my laptop today | 21:40 |
lbt | not on 2.6.32 you don't | 21:40 |
thiago_home | I realised during the day that "thiago_home" was still online | 21:40 |
thiago_home | so the laptop hadn't suspended | 21:40 |
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thiago_home | but then I got home and I found it wide open, so apparently I rushed out of the door and forgot to suspend it | 21:41 |
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w00t_ | haha | 21:42 |
alterego | I never sleep | 21:42 |
alterego | I don't have time to sleep | 21:42 |
alterego | I tried it once, but then I had to wake up again, so I thought what was the point? | 21:42 |
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berndhs | some people dream about not being able to sleep | 21:43 |
w00t_ | it's not all it's cracked up to be | 21:43 |
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w00t_ | (I haven't been sleeping much the past months( | 21:44 |
w00t_ | ) | 21:44 |
Stskeeps | i've dreamt about OBS and that was the reason i planned a long vacation after 1.2 release | 21:44 |
Stskeeps | :P | 21:44 |
alterego | Heh | 21:44 |
alterego | Yeah, been there Stskeeps ;) | 21:44 |
w00t_ | I think my oddest technical dream was about somehow putting myself in a git repository, and accidentally resetting myself into nonexistence.. | 21:44 |
gabrbedd | Stskeeps: You know you've been working too hard when.... | 21:45 |
gabrbedd | :-) | 21:45 |
alterego | I've had a few dreams where I've done problem solving and woken up with working solutions that had been pluaging me. | 21:45 |
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w00t_ | my weirdest dream _in general_ was being chased around some kind of a muddy dam in a WWII kind of situation while being shot at | 21:46 |
Stskeeps | w00t_: ah, so just like your daily work | 21:46 |
w00t_ | nooo idea what i'd been eating that night :) | 21:46 |
* w00t_ heads off to make dinner, speaking of | 21:46 | |
DawnFoster | *w00t_ needs a holiday* :) | 21:47 |
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Myrtti | I'm having way too disturbing dreams lately to remember them | 21:48 |
Myrtti | and yes, I do need a holiday. | 21:48 |
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Myrtti | in the sense the word where holiday means a break from the current status quo | 21:49 |
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GAN900 | Myrtti, dream journal. Then you can retire on your bestselling book "Myrtti's Insanity Dump". | 21:57 |
alterego | Heh | 21:58 |
* GAN900 hasn't had time to sleep in in a while, so not much dreaming. | 21:58 | |
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alterego | DawnFoster: do talks and sponsorship effect each other in some way? | 22:03 |
alterego | I can't talk if I can't get sponsorship for example :) | 22:03 |
CosmoHill | just don't volenteer for anything until last minute | 22:04 |
alterego | Heh | 22:05 |
alterego | I don't really even want to talk :D | 22:05 |
DawnFoster | alterego: people with accepted speaking sessions usually get approved for travel sponsorship | 22:05 |
alterego | DawnFoster: okay :) | 22:05 |
alterego | I guess you're really busy at the moment then :D | 22:06 |
DawnFoster | yep :) | 22:06 |
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dgc03052 | Hi, Is there any way to avoid a socket timeout on a very slow http connection with QNetworkAccessManager? We are accessing a server that is pretty slow, and it seems like the connection times out after 30 seconds or so... | 22:21 |
dgc03052 | Sorry, wrong window... | 22:22 |
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