IRC log of #meego for Wednesday, 2011-04-13

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DawnFosterthiago: ping00:01
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StskeepsDawnFoster: there's a spreadsheet of first wave in Re: Grid for sessions at MeeGo Conf , from me00:07
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Stskeepsi think the communication broke down horribly along the way :)00:08
DawnFosterStskeeps: yeah, I only saw the grid spreadsheet (rooms / times) - didn't see this other one with names00:09
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DawnFosterStskeeps: thanks - this is exactly what I needed00:09
StskeepsDawnFoster: this is at least the first batch, seems like we don't have any sessions except thiago's marked and no mails sent out yet00:09
Stskeepsmarked as accepted, that is..00:10
DawnFosterStskeeps: it gives us enough to start our sponsored travel decsions00:10
Stskeeps:nod:00:11
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timeless_w7ipalterego: fwiw, the hotel room thing confused me yesterday00:28
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alteregotimeless_w7ip: yeah, my problem is, I always seem to screw up my submissions somehow.00:49
alteregoThat's why I missed Dublin :(00:49
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timeless_w7iperr, don't miss this time!00:51
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alteregoWell, it's not my choice, hopefully my submission is all in order this time.00:52
alteregoIt is now up to the gods to decide.00:53
alteregoWell, Dawn.00:53
alterego:D00:53
DawnFosterha!00:53
alterego;)00:53
DawnFosterI am but one member of the selection committee :)00:53
alteregoI know, I was just joking because I knew you were around :)00:54
DawnFosterand to see if I was paying attention :)00:54
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* w00t_ bribes DawnFoster under the table to reject alterego :-p00:55
alterego:)00:55
thiago_homeStskeeps: ping, got a sec?00:55
alteregotbh, I don't mind, I just don't want it to be my fault.00:55
alteregoI've missed every maemo and meego summit so far.00:56
alteregoIf it wasn't for the Cambridge network me and vgrade have been doing I'd not have met anyone :)00:56
* w00t_ has only been to Dublin00:56
w00t_already booked for SF though00:56
alteregoReally? You've been around ages though :)00:57
alteregoI swear I remember you from 770 days00:57
w00t_nope00:57
alteregoOh :)00:57
w00t_well00:57
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w00t_I sort of hung around for a while around the 800-810 times I *think*00:57
w00t_but never really got interested or bought one until the n90000:57
w00t_I always had a compulsion that I didn't need Yet Another Device (irony being that now I have too many)00:57
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DawnFosterw00t_: nice try!01:05
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w00t_DawnFoster: but.. but.. the payment already left my bank account01:05
alteregoI have redundant hardware.01:05
alteregoI should probably get rid of some of it.01:05
alteregoBut nothing current enough for me to use.01:06
alteregoJust old PC104 boards I got from my previous job.01:06
alteregoLoads of ACORN machines.01:06
* w00t_ is soon to lose a netbook, going back to the office01:06
alteregoI lost my netbook ages ago :(01:06
w00t_I have a laptop I want to sell at some point01:06
alteregoMy gf stole it01:06
w00t_then I'll be back to more reasonable levels of hardware excess01:06
alteregoWhat's the make/model/spec ?01:07
alteregoI'm actually really happy with my laptop, still don't have any inclination to upgrade and the model is 3 years old now ..01:07
alteregoI should probably fork out for a little more RAM at some point though.01:07
w00t_sony vaio, I can't remember the model off the top of my head, iirc it's a dual (possibly quad) core 4gb/RAM setup, ~2 years old, I think01:08
alteregoAh ,probably a little better than mine.01:08
alteregoI've got a nice shiny Dell XPS M1530 :) Core 2 Duo 2G RAM01:08
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alteregoNice nVidia 8600 GPU too01:09
alterego(reminds me, really wanna get back into CUDA at some point)01:09
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alteregoIS there something broken with the wiki?01:12
alteregoI can't login, it just redirects me to my profile page for meego.com01:12
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w00t_pretty sure there's a bug about that somewhere01:13
w00t_there was, at least01:13
alteregoYeah, is there a work around?01:13
w00t_go to meego.com, login there, then go to the wiki01:13
alteregoDidn't work01:13
alteregoLogging out did it01:13
w00t_SSO is a nightmare01:13
DawnFosterthat's my favorite bug01:13
w00t_(as usual)01:13
DawnFostersigh01:13
DawnFosterI have to do that about a dozen times a day01:14
DawnFosterwe haven't been able to track down the fix01:14
alteregoHeh01:14
alteregoSomeone as done some really interesting typos on this page, so I thought I'd correct them ;)01:15
* lbt mutters something about php01:15
alterego:)01:15
alteregoBetter not be praise :P01:15
lbtthe wiki does load balancing across 2 app servers .. session ping pong01:15
w00t_lbt: it can be done, quite well01:16
lbtso apparently the php solution is to set an upstream diversion cookie so the same session hits the same app server ...01:16
lbtw00t_: so can hand coded assembler01:16
w00t_there is a better way01:16
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alteregomysql backed session stores?01:16
w00t_I can put you in touch with a sysadmin friend of mine who could tell you how01:16
w00t_no01:16
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lbtw00t_: the php guys we have are good :)01:17
w00t_we had a farm with ~9 webservers or something along those lines, with sessions freely migrated between them, without mysql, by the time he was done01:17
alteregoI'm just saying how I'd do it.01:18
alteregoBut I don't use PHP01:18
w00t_alterego: doesn't scale particularly well01:18
alteregoI'm a RoR man myself.01:18
lbtalterego: really01:18
w00t_especially not when your databases are (as ours were) already busy01:18
alteregoYeah, I don't know much about super-duper-scalability tbh01:18
lbtalterego: I may come begging01:18
* lbt is packaging rails for Debian01:19
lbtsid01:19
alterego:)01:19
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w00t_lbt: anyway, do you want me to send him your way sometime?01:19
lbtthey have a new packaging system ... gem2deb01:19
lbtw00t_: if he's interested in helping out... sure01:19
* alterego shudders01:19
lbtalterego: nah, it's nice01:19
w00t_ok, will ping him when i see him next01:19
lbtw00t_: ta01:19
alteregothe whole gem vs deb thing is a pain in my ass :)01:20
lbtalterego: looks like it's becoming a bit saner01:20
alteregoWell, that's positive.01:20
lbtwhich is why I'm bothering01:20
alteregoI'll have to look into that.01:20
lbtI just the other day did a recursive 'gem2deb rails'01:20
alteregosysadmin'ing a load of rails apps from various iterations of rails must be a nightmare.01:20
lbthttps://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Albt%3Arails01:20
alteregoLuckily I'm not that big and I keep everythign quite up to date myself.01:21
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lbtin a "holy mother of .... build deps" kinda way...01:21
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alteregoWell, it's most people do the rails freeze approach, so you have a crap tonne of copies of the same libraries all of varying versions.01:22
lbtI just need to write a ~>  to Depends: + Conflicts: now01:22
lbtalterego: yeah ... I have a 5 line script and 'bundle' about 23 libraries...01:22
lbtbut I need to get RoR up and running to do the community promotion to Apps process01:24
alteregoWell if you need an experienced rails' dev I'm always around ;)01:24
lbtneat - I'd appreciate that01:24
alteregonp01:25
* alterego loves developing in Ruby :)01:27
alteregoAnd Rails' is such a joy to use.01:27
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alteregoLooks like the search bar in the wiki is broken too ..01:29
alteregobuggy CSS01:29
lbtI don't dare get involved01:30
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DawnFosteralterego: how is the search box broken? (worksforme)01:35
alteregoIn my browser it renders below the main content01:35
alteregoSo if you've got a lot of content, it's right at hte bottom.01:35
alteregoI'll take a screenshot.01:36
DawnFosterweird01:36
DawnFosterwhich broswer?01:36
DawnFosterand example of a page that does it?01:36
alteregoFirefox 3.6.1601:36
alteregoThe front page does it01:37
alteregoFrom what I can tell, it's like that on every page for me ;)01:37
alteregohttp://stage.rubyx.co.uk/shared/meego-wiki-firefox-bug.png01:38
DawnFosterweird01:39
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DawnFosteri'm not seeing that issue (firefox 4.0, safari or chrome)01:40
DawnFosterwhat OS?01:40
alteregoUbuntu 10.1001:40
alteregoNothing special about my setup either.01:41
DawnFostermust be some obscure css thing01:41
DawnFostersometimes displays just a little differently by OS.01:41
alteregoAnyone here particularly familiar with obs?01:41
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DawnFostercan you file a bug for it?01:42
alteregoSpecifically using osc to build a package locally.01:42
alteregoI've forgotten how :(01:42
alteregoDawnFoster: yeah, doing it now.01:42
* TSCHAKeee has never built an osc package locally01:42
lbtalterego: ... a little01:42
lbttry "osc build"01:42
alteregoI've forgotten the "osc build" command line :S01:42
lbttry "osc build --help"01:42
lbtactually try "osc --help" too sometime01:43
alterego:)01:43
lbtactually quite useful01:43
alteregoYeah, not sure what to put in the REPOSITORY field ..01:43
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lbtvery often it is 'standard'01:44
lbtwhich project?01:44
alteregomeego-handset-dialer01:44
alteregoOh wait,01:44
alteregoIt's telling me what to use :D01:44
alteregoHah, yeah, this is working now :D01:45
lbtedit your ~/.oscrc too01:45
lbtyou can set the chroot01:45
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alterego Can't seem to specify the architecture.01:46
lbtalso useful is to add certain things to the preinstall of a local build (like gdb)01:46
lbtyeah, just add it01:46
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lbtosc build standard armv8el my.spec01:47
lbtit defaults to host native01:47
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alteregoAh, got it01:48
alteregoHurp, that didn't work either.01:48
lbtc.obs ?01:49
alteregoYeah01:49
alteregoWell, build.pub01:49
alteregoOh, so armv7hl isn't a support architecture in obs?01:50
lbtask Stskeeps to explain it sometime01:51
lbtwe have schedulers which runs emulators which can manage different arch emulations. Then the prjconf sets gcc flags....01:51
lbtit's all very complicated and not at all like perl01:52
alteregoHeh01:52
lbtyou need to match the arch of the repo you're targeting01:52
lbtarmv7el in your case01:52
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alteregoSo: osc build Project_DE_Trunk_Testing_standard armv7el meego-handset-dialer.spec01:53
lbtwhat obj code it produces depends on that maze01:53
alteregolooks right?01:53
lbtyes01:53
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alteregoWhich shockingly enough looks like it's working01:54
lbtand barring kernel versions it uses the same binaries as the OBS01:54
alteregoHmmm, it's complaining about a bunch of missing packages01:55
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alteregoWell, it seems to be trying to download them and it's saying "not found at repo.pub.meego.com"01:55
lbtyes.. that's not helpful01:55
lbtit will work01:55
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alteregom'kay,01:55
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lbtit tries different places and lets you know what fails01:55
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lbtpeople often ^C01:56
alteregoHeh01:56
alteregoWell, I think I vaguely remember this from the last time ;)01:56
smokuis closing bugs as WONTFIX without any explanation why a standard course of action in MeeGo?01:56
* alterego makes notes this time01:56
lbtme hits ^C at 16/332 ... too big01:56
lbtsmoku: deja vu ?01:56
smokulbt: yeah. I saw that in some other big project also01:57
lbtnah.... never happen in meego...way too open for that... ;)01:57
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alterego:)01:58
DawnFostersmoku: can you send me a couple of links where that's happened?01:58
smokuDawnFoster: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1419501:59
MeeGoBotBug 14195 nor, Medium, ---, peter.j.zhu, REOP, Touchscreen does not work in SDL fullscreen mode.01:59
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smokuDawnFoster: I already reopened it with a question, after peter <peter.j.zhu@intel.com> RESOLVED it as WONTFIX02:00
DawnFosterdo you have another example?02:00
ali1234just fyi SDL has it's own touchscreen driver02:01
smokujust this one02:01
DawnFosterI can help poke people, but need to decide if this is an issue of educating one or 2 people or a persistent issue02:01
smokuali1234: very well. short "upstream bug" comment would be enough02:02
ali1234if that's the case it's not even a bug02:02
DawnFosterstill deserves a comment with *why* it was marked as wontfix02:03
ali1234anyway the actual bug is a different issue02:03
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smokusomething not working is not a bug??  that's new :)02:03
ali1234smoku: the touchscreen is working as a touchscreen?02:03
ali1234cos that's what it sounds like02:03
ali1234is it a bug if my keyboard doesn't work as a toaster too?02:04
smokuali1234: please read the description of the bug.02:04
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ali1234so you can't click anywhere except where the mouse pointer is when fullscreen?02:05
DawnFosterfeel free to ping me if you see other examples of bugs being closed as wontfix without some explanation.02:05
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DawnFosterI'm always happy to help02:05
ali1234ie tapping anywhere sends a click event to where the mouse pointer is only02:06
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smokuali1234: yes.02:07
smokuant it's not a bug? :)02:07
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ali1234that is different then02:08
ali1234(and not entirely clear from first glance at the report)02:08
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ali1234if it was SDL's built in TS driver, you'd get click events where ever you tap but wouldn't see the mouse pointer moving02:09
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smokuDawnFoster: I will. but meego developers already discouraged me badly from even reporting bugs, so I don't have that many open...02:09
ali1234well, assuming SDL had the correct calibration for the TS which it might not02:09
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alteregolbt: BuildService API error: can't verify packages due to lack of GPG keys02:09
alterego:(02:09
DawnFosterwith specific examples of bad behavior, I can help fix things02:09
lbtalterego: host is debian based?02:10
alteregoYeah02:10
alteregoubuntu 10.1002:10
smokuDawnFoster: you already did. :-)02:10
smokuthx02:10
ali1234hey speaking of bad gpg keys on ubuntu 10.10 when are they going to fix the opensuse-keychain package?02:10
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DawnFosterI think people in the community would be shocked at the amount of time I spend educating people at Intel, arm twisting, and getting people to make better decisions :)02:10
ali1234everytime i run an update i get a warning about expired keys02:10
lbtosc build --no-verify ...02:11
alteregoAh, yes02:11
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alteregolbt: thanks for helping me with my newbish questions ;)02:11
lbtnp02:11
ali1234W: GPG error: http://download.opensuse.org ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 127015608302:11
* lbt builds RoR credit02:11
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smokuDawnFoster: yeah. but you know, that the real issue is that people bitching like me are 1/10 or maybe less... rest just don't bother and silently goes away02:13
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DawnFosterI know, but encourage people to bring things to my attention. I really can help with some of it.02:15
DawnFosterthe community is so huge that I don't catch everything.02:15
alteregoShe's got a whip and everything.02:15
DawnFosterand I know we have some issues with how certain people are handling bugs (I'm working on it)02:15
DawnFosteralterego: ha! I wish - it might help on some days :)02:16
ali1234someone who knows how to write bugzilla queries could do a search where the person who set WONTFIX didn't comment, and then start checking the bugs...02:16
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ali1234hmm... all that huge search interface and i can't even search by "number of comments = 0"?02:19
alterego:)02:19
alteregoYou'll have to do it manually then :P02:19
alteregoHow many wontfix bugs are there? :D02:19
ali123477802:20
DawnFostereven number of comments = 0 won't get you there02:20
ali1234sure it will, if it's wontfix and comments = 0, and closer != reporter02:20
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DawnFostersince someone usually left a comment at some point but not necessarily the closer02:20
ali1234then by definition the closer did not give a reason02:20
ali1234sure it won't get them all but it's a start02:21
DawnFostertrue, but you'd miss a huge chunk of them02:21
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ali1234here's one i just found: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1001102:23
MeeGoBotBug 10011 nor, Medium, ---, yong.y.wang, RESO WONTFIX, XF86WLAN keyboard shortcut does not work02:23
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ali1234i see a lot of bugs getting WONTFIX "there's no feature for that" - wouldn't it be more appropriate to make is WISHLIST of FEATURE or whatever it's called?02:30
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MrBIOSre02:30
DawnFosterI've just updated the wiki process to specify that comments are mandatory for INVALID/WONTFIX/WORKSFORME02:31
DawnFosternow, I'll poke a few people :)02:31
TSCHAKeeehuh, why is that one wontfix?02:32
TSCHAKeeethat one makes sense02:32
MrBIOSis it possible to do an anonymous checkout of glibc from meego's trunk?02:32
ali1234MrBIOS: sure, grab the source rpm?02:33
MrBIOSdonde?02:33
TSCHAKeeegrab the source rpm, and do an rpmbuild --rebuild02:33
MrBIOSyes, source rpm from where?02:33
lbtMrBIOS: unless this is a one-off hack ... I suggest using the OBS02:34
gabrbeddMrBIOS: Trunk is on build.meego.com02:34
gabrbeddhttp://build.meego.com/project/show?project=Trunk02:34
ali1234won't the OBS effectively just give you an unpacked copy of the srpm and not much else?02:35
gabrbeddMrBIOS: lbt may correct me... but there's no "anonymous checkout", as in access to revision history.  But you can download everything you need from the web interface.02:35
lbtI think you can 'see' revisions02:36
lbtbut the OBS doesn't do version control02:36
gabrbeddali1234: Sort of.  He asked for "Trunk" and not one of the daily/weekly builds... and trunk in on build.meego.com02:36
ali1234ok fair point02:37
lbtyou could fork it to c.obs too02:37
lbthttp://build.meego.com/package/source_history?package=glibc&project=Trunk02:37
gabrbeddlbt: what is c.obs?02:38
gabrbeddoh... community.02:38
gabrbeddduh.02:38
MrBIOSyeah, I got to http://build.meego.com/package/files?package=glibc&project=Trunk02:38
MrBIOSbut the tarballs aren't downloadable02:38
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gabrbeddMrBIOS: Overview -> standard ->Go to download repository02:39
MrBIOSnot seeing 'standard'02:40
gabrbeddThe SRPMS are in src/02:40
gabrbeddOn the right under "Build Status"02:40
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MrBIOSgot it02:40
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MrBIOShttp://download.meego.com/live/Trunk/standard/src/glibc-2.11.90-23.40.src.rpm thanks02:41
MrBIOShm, there's also a glibc-x86 srpm there02:41
MrBIOSbut it's tiny02:41
ali1234random question: is there any package management system that uses git repos instead of tarball + patches + control/spec?02:41
alteregoxterm?02:42
alterego:)02:42
ali1234well that was a random answer02:42
lbtali1234: .deb02:43
ali1234hmm02:43
ali1234ok let me ask another way, is there a distro that actually does this?02:43
ali1234(99.9% of debs use quilt)02:43
lbta distro....  Mer ?02:44
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lbthttp://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/UsingGitorious02:44
lbtmy diagrams scare people02:44
gabrbeddMrBIOS: Do you mean a pkg mgmt system that uses git for the database?02:45
alteregoYay, first refactoring of meego dialer compiles :)02:45
ali1234ah this would explain why i thought you did a talk on this very subject02:45
gabrbeddOr something to managet a distro?02:45
ali1234gabrbedd: i mean a distro where "apt-get source ..." === "git clone ...", and sending patches upstream === "git format-patch"02:46
MrBIOSgabrbedd, wrong person :)02:47
gabrbeddali1234: MrBIOS: sorry!02:47
ali1234lbt: if i understand that diagram correctly it seems like exactly what i'm talking about02:47
lbtali1234: :)02:48
lbtI simply detest the random patches crap02:48
lbtbut.... I have to admit that it got complex quickly02:48
ali1234so, how about if it was integrated into OBS then? ;)02:49
gabrbeddali1234: Debian is headed in the direction you're talking about...02:49
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gabrbeddali1234: And fedora /might/ be.02:49
lbtI'm working on git-buildpackage02:49
lbtand gbq-pq is the patch-queue02:49
lbtwhich I actually debated porting to .spec today02:50
MrBIOSis there a guide to getting meego nightly images on to a USB stick?02:50
lbtworking *with*, not on02:50
lbtgbp-pq02:50
ali1234MrBIOS: all meego images for x86 should be DD'd directly to USB stick02:50
MrBIOSokay02:50
gabrbeddMrBIOS: Either put the DMC URL in your .ks file -- or just use the daily build .img's.02:51
lbthttp://honk.sigxcpu.org/projects/git-buildpackage/manual-html/gbp.man.gbp.pq.html02:51
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MrBIOSgabrbedd DMC?02:51
MrBIOSDeLorian Motor Company?02:51
gabrbeddMrBIOS: Daily builds are published on download.meego.com.  Subscribe to meege-release ML to get the daily notices (and the URL's)02:52
MrBIOSDisembodied Mummy Corporatists?02:52
gabrbeddE.g. today's build is here http://download.meego.com/trunk-daily/builds/trunk/1.1.99.2.20110411.3/02:52
lbtali1234: http://vcs-pkg.org/02:53
ali1234cool02:53
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lbtali1234: I actually think my work in Mer was the most .... real02:54
gabrbedder... yesterday's.02:54
lbtI used madduck's ideas and diagrams and built on them02:54
lbtbut it never matured02:54
ali1234seems like trying to shoe-horn it into an existing package manager would make it too complex02:55
ali1234hence my original question02:55
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lbtI only know git in any meaningful way02:56
lbtso given that ... what would a git branch structure look like?02:56
ali1234i don't know what you mean?02:56
gabrbeddali1234: Well, Git isn't a good tool for managing large binary blobs long-term.  And also pkg maint is a totally different workflow for normal app dev.02:56
lbta typical package has an upstream pristine tar02:57
ali1234gabrbedd: no you miss the point, it's only for managing source02:57
* gabrbedd goes pick up son from soccer...02:57
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alteregoNow how to figure out how to do a merge request.02:57
lbtthe packager then manages a number of distro patches as well as some distro-only code02:57
lbteg maybe changing the hardcoded path for the config from /etc/sshd.conf to /etc/ssh/sshd.conf02:58
ali1234lbt: well... if i ruled the world the first thing i'd do is start over from only using upstream source :)02:58
lbtor fixing a bug that's not been accepted into an upstream release02:58
ali1234then you'd have a branch called "upstream" that tracks.. upstream02:58
lbtyeah, let me introduce you to ruby02:58
ali1234and a branch with distro specific packages02:58
ali1234*patches02:58
lbt(at which point I suspect you'll start to use windows)02:59
ali1234and then if someone wanted to fork *your* distro, then they'd have a third branch, and so on02:59
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ali1234i realise the idea may not be practical but there you go03:00
MrBIOSmost ideas aren't practical03:00
lbtit's more naive than impractical03:00
lbtI know... I've been there :)03:00
ali1234yes, for sure03:00
ali1234i've never made a distro of course03:00
lbtyep.... that's the kicker03:00
ali1234actually openwrt kind of works like this i think03:01
ali1234they certainly keep all their packages in some kind of CVS03:02
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ali1234https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/packages03:03
ali1234they just commit patches as seperate files :(03:04
lbt*g*03:05
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lbtgbp-pq at least allows the patches to be vcs'ed03:06
lbtwhich allows for retreival later03:06
lbtand rational handling (cherry picking, re-ordering, merging etc)03:07
lbtanyhow... late03:07
lbtbed ->03:07
MrBIOShm, so I successfully DD'ed an image to the USB stick, however it does not appear to be bootable03:07
ali1234MrBIOS: you have to dd to the device not the first partition03:08
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MrBIOSI did03:08
MrBIOSto the device03:08
MrBIOSI have an lvm volume there03:08
MrBIOSvolume name looks right03:08
alteregoMy fans don't like local obs arm builds :D03:09
MrBIOSmeego-core- blah blah with an isolinux directory and LiveOS dir03:09
ali1234don't know then, that sounds OK03:09
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MrBIOSali1234 should it be LVM?03:09
MrBIOSseems wrong03:09
MrBIOSwhere's the boot partition? I don't see one03:09
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ali1234i don't know... i haven't used an image recently03:12
alteregoCrap, I'm editing the wrong version of the dialer ..03:12
MrBIOSali1234 hm okay, it's iso966003:13
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ali1234MrBIOS: yes, it's a hybrid ISO03:14
MrBIOSperhaps this BIOS doesn't like booting  iso9660 from USB stick03:14
gabrbeddMrBIOS: The image is to be installed on a USB stick or a CD-RW... so it'll work for both.03:14
MrBIOSI understand that03:14
MrBIOSit just doesn't seem to ever be booting03:14
MrBIOSI don't even get the initial isolinux text line03:14
gabrbeddMrBIOS: you should get a "screen"03:15
gabrbeddWhat image did you download?03:15
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MrBIOSI get nada, besudes the BIOS' flashing cursor03:15
MrBIOSbesides03:15
MrBIOS20110330.303:15
gabrbeddAnd are you doing this on a laptop or one of those monsters you're working on?03:15
MrBIOSgabrbedd, totally normal intel atom desktop board03:16
MrBIOSretail, not a dev board with a funky kernel03:16
MrBIOSthis is a foxconn03:16
MrBIOSwith a funky BIOS rather, not kernel03:16
gabrbedddid you download the netbook image?03:17
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MrBIOSI downloaded the file named meego-core-ia32-base-1.1.99.0.20110330.3.img03:18
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ali1234did you sync before removing the USB stick?03:20
gabrbeddFWIW, my best guess is it's a bad burn... something happened wrong in writing it to the flash drive.  I suggest trying again and waiting an extra 30-60 secs after it completes --- or burn the image to a CD-RW and boot that instead.03:20
ali1234cos according to what i just read, the boot things are at the end of the image03:20
MrBIOSI did :)03:20
ali1234i always sync 3 times03:20
MrBIOSali1234, I made sure to sync.03:20
gabrbeddI've run into some flash drives that are flaky... no matter how many times you sync.  You gotta give it some "space."03:21
gabrbeddOther drives work sane.03:21
MrBIOSblah03:21
MrBIOSso easy03:21
MrBIOSand yet...03:21
gabrbedd2nd best guess is that meego-core isn't the one to try.  Try meego-netbook instead.03:21
MrBIOSthe bootable flag wasn't on on that block device, so I flipped that bit with fdisk, and now it works.03:24
MrBIOSnow I get the meego grub screen03:24
ali1234hmm bug?03:24
gabrbeddCool!  I'ts not grub, tho.03:24
ali1234the ISO should include partition table03:24
MrBIOSgabrbedd, whatever it is, the boot menu. it looks like grub :)03:25
ali1234it's syslinux03:25
MrBIOSgotcha03:25
gabrbeddand when you install to harddrive... it's extlinux.03:25
gabrbeddSeems pedantic now -- but later on you'll thank us.  :-)03:25
MrBIOSunderstood03:25
ali1234someone told be they're the same thing now03:25
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ali1234technically the ISO is isolinux i guess03:26
MrBIOSyeah I saw the isolinux directory, but isolinux is a component of syslinux03:26
MrBIOSso pedants delight?03:26
gabrbeddali1234: more or less yes... they have different binaries that are specific to the file system you're booting from.03:27
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MrBIOSdoes anybody here know much about the atom-specific glibc patches?03:29
MrBIOSI see a handful of them03:29
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TSCHAKeeeyou know04:52
TSCHAKeeeit really sucks sometimes when I read messages from engineers asking things like "How do we get accelleration up on the Oak Trail?" When I, with all the want in the world, can never get the fucking hardware.04:53
TSCHAKeeeno matter how much cash i shove in someone's face.04:53
TSCHAKeeethat shit gets really old04:53
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GeneralAntillesIt's not what you know, but who!05:11
ali1234i've been saying for years that a big reason apple is so successful is because you can actually buy their stuff in a shop unlike nearly everything else which you hear announced and then never see again05:20
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ali1234for example, every tablet that supposedly existed before the ipad05:21
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GeneralAntillesali1234: well, that, and they look good doing it.05:28
DebolazAnd iPhone proved to the public that the concept worked first.05:31
DebolazThe iPad is, to the general public, an iPhone with a lot bigger screen. They know the iPhone is awesome, so they trust that the iPad will be awesome too.05:32
DebolazBut the ability to actually see the product first hand is of course a very important factor too.05:33
ali1234none of that matters if you can't buy the damn thing05:35
ali1234apple have done well by filling the demand created by others05:35
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ali1234microsoft have been saying tablets are the next big thing for about 10 years now05:36
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ali1234but they never delivered05:36
ali1234now it's too late05:36
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ali1234friend of mine got a bunch of free microsoft software back at university for participating in a microsoft handwriting recognition test for tablet PCs... that was back in 199905:37
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ali1234admittedly that probably turned up in windows mobile at some point05:38
ali1234but even those devices were specialty05:38
ali1234couldn't even get screen protectors for them in a highstreet store... people would look at it and go "what's that?"05:39
ali1234that's the win for microsoft from nokia too: nokia can get devices in stores in a way the others can't05:43
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iekkumorning06:39
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gabrbedd\o.06:41
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* gabrbedd does happy dance06:41
gabrbeddfinally isolated a really frustrating OpenGL bug.06:42
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WB7ODYFredwhat bug did you find gabrbedd.   Congrats on isolating it07:53
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timeless_w7ipdawnfoster: do i count as community wrt being shocked by arm twisting @intel? :)08:42
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Stskeepsthere is a thing for sponsorship stating you must have proof that your employer said no08:43
Stskeepsso thats about it08:43
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timeless_w7ipali1234: fwiw, i'm planning to have mxr's repo.meego.com have a DVCS backend (exposed) for its index08:45
timeless_w7ipi haven't gotten around to doing it yet, but..08:45
timeless_w7ipthat way you'll be able to retrieve any version of the world that mxr has indexed using a DVCS instead of having to fight obscure tools08:45
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timeless_w7ipali: nokia's track record for getting devices in stores isn't wonderful08:49
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timeless_w7ipin fact, if you were an investor in US markets, your best bet whenever Nokia partners w/ a US merchant is to short the merchant08:50
timeless_w7ip(nokia seems to pick the companies which go out of business)08:50
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abhijeetdoes qt SDK 1.1 supports developing application for meego device or we have to separately download the meego Qt SDK to develop meego application.09:18
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TSCHAKeeeali1234: I first used tablet hardware, back in 1991. I still have the GRiDPAD I bought back then... $8,000 .... Saw the Atari ST Pad later that year at CeBIT.09:23
TSCHAKeeeali1234: ....i've been waiting for the "tablet revolution" for long time too. ;)09:23
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faboabhijeet: you need MeeGo SDK09:48
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abhijeetfabo: okay...10:10
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alteregoIs application .ini config files using QSettings prefered over gconf?10:41
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eraserheadhello all10:48
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amjad i hope i get build.meego.com for packaging powerdebugtool , filed a bug in bugzilla, fingers crossed10:54
Stskeepsotherwise there's always build.pub.meego.com10:54
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amjadi have it build on build.pub.meego.com. but wanted it to be included into mainline :)10:55
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JaffaMorning, all10:58
Stskeepsmorn jaffa10:58
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CosmoHillyou know on windows Adobe Flash prompts you to install updates12:28
CosmoHilldoes the linux client do that?12:28
alteregoKind of12:28
alteregoWhen you visit a site that requires a greater version it tells you to update :D12:29
CosmoHillI'll put down "on"12:29
CosmoHills/on/no/12:29
infobotCosmoHill meant: I'll put down "no"12:29
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* CosmoHill is working on his assignments12:34
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lbtI have a 6-core CPU and 8Gb of RAM ... WTF does openoffice take 30seconds to change directory ?12:50
Stskeepslbt: NFS? :>12:50
Myrttiit's openoffice12:50
X-FadeSwap out all the 6GB of RAM openoffice eats? :)12:51
lbtStskeeps: I have nfs on the system... but not these dirs12:51
lbtno, not RAM -- only 600Mb resident12:52
lbtI think Myrtti got it... :/12:52
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Myrttiif it's normal wordprocessing you need, then try abiword or editor of choice + latex12:53
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MyrttiI vote for latter12:53
lbtpresenter12:53
lbtlatex.... that's been a while...12:54
Myrttieditor of choice + latex + beamer or other presentation slideset package12:54
lbt1993 I think was the last time I used that12:54
Myrttilatex is like good wine, it just gets better12:54
lbt:)12:55
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Myrttior try jessyink12:58
Myrttior google docs12:59
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lamikrI have newer used to use latex directly, but lyx as a kind of frontend suits for me.13:16
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CosmoHillffs my bro's PC got a virus13:22
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leinirinstall linux and go "There! Virus gone" ;)13:25
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CosmoHillas soon as WoW release a linux client13:29
lcapriottihi, I'm trying to use uxlaunch on a plain ubuntu, it works but I'd like to achieve a cleaner boot experience13:30
timeless_w7iphttp://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_functionality_on_Wine13:30
lcapriottinow I have plymouth, then text screen with some boot messages, then X kicks in13:30
lcapriottiI'd like to avoid the boot text being shown13:30
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leinirCosmoHill: well, i know a good few people who run it in cedega or transgaming... and report better results than on windows... granted, this was a couple of years back, but... :)13:33
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leinirho hum... why can't i find any info about QtSparql on the dev site? as in, at all?13:47
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slainemorning Termana13:59
CosmoHillbleh14:00
slaineyou too CosmoHill14:00
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naquadcan i somehow add slim or gdm to disable autologin?16:34
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gabrbeddnaquad: I think there's a gconf setting somewhere.  E.g. the installer asks (or used to ask... I think) if you wanted a passwordless login.16:44
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naquadgabrbedd, exactly vice versa, i need display manager which will ask login and password16:45
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gabrbeddnaquad: Yes, that's what I said.  If there's an option for a pw-less login... then it stands to reason that NOT selection the option will require a password.16:53
gabrbedds/selection/selecting/16:54
infobotgabrbedd meant: naquad: Yes, that's what I said.  If there's an option for a pw-less login... then it stands to reason that NOT selecting the option will require a password.16:54
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gabrbeddnaquad: So I'll bet there's a gconf key so that you can go `gconftool-2 -s -t bool /some/random/path/RequirePassword false` and it'll work16:55
berndhsin the netbook installer, there is no option. It is password-less automatically16:55
gabrbeddberndhs: I could have sworn I saw it in the 1.0 or 1.1 days... maybe it was removed?  Maybe it was a different OS I'm thinking of?  I dunno.16:56
naquadgabrbedd, berndhs, i've just rewrote uxlaunch + installed slim and xdg-autostart tool16:56
naquadworks fine16:56
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gabrbeddberndhs: But what I always thought was funny about the Netbook UX is that it was by default config'd for password-less.  But the screen saver /would/ require a password.16:58
naquadgabrbedd, only in case when /etc/sysconfig/lock-screen or ~/.config/lock-screen exist16:59
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berndhsgabrbedd: along the same lines, it auto-generates the host name17:00
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berndhsso this is supposed to be a 1-user machine, and only 1 machine per user17:01
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Myrttiis it just me or is there something funny on meego.com frontpage?17:05
MyrttiI see a weird "Link" on the left hand side in the white margin17:06
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X-FadeMyrtti: Yeah, the designers don't have widescreen :)17:06
berndhsmargin looks white here17:07
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MyrttiI personally think that the "read more" sf2011 link is broken somehow17:07
X-FadeIt is a css trick where you move things way left.17:07
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X-FadeBut not far enough obviously ;)17:07
Myrtti... on row 104 in the html source17:07
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X-FadeYes, css.17:08
Myrttioh ok17:08
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Myrttiif I didn't have this bloody headache, I might do a bug report, but right now I can't even glance the white bugzilla page17:09
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GAN900X-Fade, any chance you could look at the IRC cloaks at some point? *g*17:11
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X-FadeGAN900: Yes, can you make a list?17:12
GAN900Sure17:12
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Myrtticould someone poke reggie17:13
X-FadeMyrtti: Why?17:13
Myrttithere's a persistant spammer on the forum17:14
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Myrttiand I have privileges to do something to the matter only on the General discussion, not on other forums17:14
Myrttiand I can't ban17:14
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X-FadeMyrtti: ok, pinging..17:15
Myrttioo, nevermind17:15
Myrttihe's online for the looks of it17:16
X-FadeMyrtti: Yeah, talking to him.17:16
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Myrtti♥17:16
RST38hMoo, Myrtti17:19
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Myrttimmm pesto chicken17:27
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ScriptRipperping lbt18:01
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ScriptRipperhey lbt20:25
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Venemo~seen lcuk20:44
infobotlcuk <lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 12d 19h 49m 7s ago, saying: 'thiago_home, do kdelibs load faster then?'.20:44
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gabrbeddVenemo: His nick showed up in here a few days ago... but he didn't say anything.20:46
gabrbeddI'm guessing he just had brief internet access to check e-mail or something.20:46
Venemomhm20:47
Venemothanks gabrbedd :)20:47
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thiago_homeDawnFoster: ping. Is the TSG meeting for tomorrow morning (tonight your time) confirmed?21:30
Stskeepsschedule came out this morning, at least21:30
Stskeeps / agenda21:30
DawnFosteras of this morning, it was confirmed :)21:31
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Stskeepsat least the ZTE joining is a good sign -- and that we finally get a 1.1 compliance program21:33
Stskeeps:P21:34
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thiago_homejust wondering because I know Imad is travelling21:34
thiago_homeand if it's not happening, I can get another hour of sleep or more21:34
gabrbeddthiago_home: You sleep?21:37
thiago_homegabrbedd: I fake it21:38
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gabrbeddthiago_home: :-)21:39
DawnFosterI don't think any of you sleep!21:39
lbtwhy would we sleep ?21:39
w00t_thiago_home never sleeps, he just suspends21:39
thiago_homeyeah, like my laptop today21:40
lbtnot on 2.6.32 you don't21:40
thiago_homeI realised during the day that "thiago_home" was still online21:40
thiago_homeso the laptop hadn't suspended21:40
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thiago_homebut then I got home and I found it wide open, so apparently I rushed out of the door and forgot to suspend it21:41
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w00t_haha21:42
alteregoI never sleep21:42
alteregoI don't have time to sleep21:42
alteregoI tried it once, but then I had to wake up again, so I thought what was the point?21:42
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berndhssome people dream about not being able to sleep21:43
w00t_it's not all it's cracked up to be21:43
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w00t_(I haven't been sleeping much the past months(21:44
w00t_)21:44
Stskeepsi've dreamt about OBS and that was the reason i planned a long vacation after 1.2 release21:44
Stskeeps:P21:44
alteregoHeh21:44
alteregoYeah, been there Stskeeps ;)21:44
w00t_I think my oddest technical dream was about somehow putting myself in a git repository, and accidentally resetting myself into nonexistence..21:44
gabrbeddStskeeps: You know you've been working too hard when....21:45
gabrbedd:-)21:45
alteregoI've had a few dreams where I've done problem solving and woken up with working solutions that had been pluaging me.21:45
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w00t_my weirdest dream _in general_ was being chased around some kind of a muddy dam in a WWII kind of situation while being shot at21:46
Stskeepsw00t_: ah, so just like your daily work21:46
w00t_nooo idea what i'd been eating that night :)21:46
* w00t_ heads off to make dinner, speaking of21:46
DawnFoster*w00t_ needs a holiday* :)21:47
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MyrttiI'm having way too disturbing dreams lately to remember them21:48
Myrttiand yes, I do need a holiday.21:48
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Myrttiin the sense the word where holiday means a break from the current status quo21:49
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GAN900Myrtti, dream journal. Then you can retire on your bestselling book "Myrtti's Insanity Dump".21:57
alteregoHeh21:58
* GAN900 hasn't had time to sleep in in a while, so not much dreaming.21:58
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alteregoDawnFoster: do talks and sponsorship effect each other in some way?22:03
alteregoI can't talk if I can't get sponsorship for example :)22:03
CosmoHilljust don't volenteer for anything until last minute22:04
alteregoHeh22:05
alteregoI don't really even want to talk :D22:05
DawnFosteralterego: people with accepted speaking sessions usually get approved for travel sponsorship22:05
alteregoDawnFoster: okay :)22:05
alteregoI guess you're really busy at the moment then :D22:06
DawnFosteryep :)22:06
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dgc03052Hi, Is there any way to avoid a socket timeout on a very slow http connection with QNetworkAccessManager?  We are accessing a server that is pretty slow, and it seems like the connection times out after 30 seconds or so...22:21
dgc03052Sorry, wrong window...22:22
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