IRC log of #meego for Wednesday, 2011-02-23

jbos_mic2, imager tool which creates the image, sysroot etc.00:00
jbos_if meego tells people, hey this is the minimal  lib set you need to support and deliver in order to call your system meego00:01
jbos_than why does it not get delivered....00:01
jbos_makes no sense to me00:01
timelesslcuk: so, do i need to try to get rpm5?00:02
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gabrbeddjbos_: Huh?  What libs are you trying to add?00:04
Venemojbos_: I'm making a screenshot for you00:05
jbos_i.e. telepathy, gstreamer00:06
jbos_its all meego core wiki.meego.com/Quality/Compliance00:06
timeless[riddle] so you are in a bare room without any windows or doors. All you have is a table and a mirror. What is the only way to get out of the room?00:06
* timeless wonders if there are any native speakers who know this riddle00:06
gabrbeddjbos_: adding libs or -devel packages?00:07
Venemojbos_: http://kepfeltoltes.hu/110222/Screenshot-puzzle-master_-_Qt_Creator_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.png00:07
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timeless(this riddle fails miserably in other langauges)00:07
jbos_well sysroot is about compiling00:07
jbos_so devels00:07
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peudroidwhat is the native language for that riddle?00:08
jbos_need to check tomorrow on other computers, but i dont have this option venemo00:08
Venemojbos_: Qt Creator doesn't like you :(00:09
jbos_qt creator 2.0.9400:09
Venemo2.1.81 here00:09
jbos_this is some custom meego creator which is delivered with the meego sdk00:10
Venemoyeah, that's horseshit00:10
jbos_yep00:11
jbos_ok i go of, its 11:11 pm00:11
jbos_:D00:11
jbos_cya00:11
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timelessok, i'm looking for people to browse through http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/ and give me some feedback :)00:59
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timelesserror: line 6: Illegal char '~' in: Version: 2.3.50~gite812ba701:01
timelessgrr01:01
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timelessgrr01:05
jonnordpkg <3 ?01:05
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timelessrpm401:06
timelessii  rpm            4.8.1-6        package manager for RPM01:07
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CosmoHillrpm4 != RPM501:07
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mikhasbrings back memories01:08
mikhaswhen I couldnt install rpm4 with rpm3 ...01:08
CosmoHillmy phone has frozen01:09
CosmoHillah, it defroz...01:09
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CosmoHillit defrosted with avengance01:10
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CosmoHillmmm, spam01:15
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timelessgrr, http://rpm.org/ticket/56 sucks01:20
timelessso, rpm used to support ~, then they reserved it01:21
mikhasjust use + instead?01:22
mikhasor not your choice?01:22
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lbtMeego uses ~ in rpm version compat01:24
lbtbut only in meego images01:24
lbtnot in the buildsystem01:24
lbt"what could possibly go wrong"01:24
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CosmoHill£60 off the N802:18
CosmoHillnow if only it ran MeeGo02:18
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CosmoHillinteresting, the Nokia E5 is £200 on pay as you go, or £190 sim free, I wonder what is the better deal their02:28
CosmoHill*there02:28
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timelessgrrr02:45
* timeless hates packaging systems02:45
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gabrbeddtimeless: whassamatta?02:47
timelessgabrbedd: well, for one we have both poppler and poppler-qt srpms02:47
timelessbut they're really the same thing02:48
* timeless wonders if this system actually recorded where t got them from02:48
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gabrbeddare they actually the same?02:49
chxieclear02:50
* gabrbedd should read a little closer where timeless said they were.02:51
sivangtimeless: you need to hack srpms for mxr?02:51
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gabrbeddtimeless_w7ip: do searches work in mxr?03:32
timeless_w7ipooh, http://mxr.meego.com/meego.gitorious.org/source/mnts/ has useful values03:32
timeless_w7ipnot at the moment03:32
timeless_w7ipthey would if the indexer ran03:33
gabrbeddk03:33
timeless_w7ipbut since i'm currently still collecting the data, it's a low priority03:33
timeless_w7ipstep 1: try to get the system to safely collect all the data03:33
gabrbeddnot criticizing... just asking.  :-)03:33
timeless_w7ipstep 2: try to get the system to automatically repeat step 103:33
timeless_w7ipstep 3: try to get the indexer to efficiently index w/o killing the box03:33
gabrbeddstep 4: profit!!03:34
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gabrbeddvery nice job, timeless_w7ip -- thanks for your effort in setting this up! :-)03:36
gabrbeddI'll turn my spider off, now.03:36
gabrbedd:-p03:36
* timeless_w7ip still hasn't figured out where the access logs are03:39
timeless_w7ipoh right, it's in "other_vhosts_access.log"03:40
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gabrbeddwell, duh!03:46
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IanWizardanybody tried to put it on a smartbook?03:50
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timeless_w7ipnope, just the ms sdk03:51
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timeless_w7ipi could install it..03:52
lcukplease, and could you compare it to qt-creator whilst you are at it?03:52
lcuktimeless_w7ip, how long are you expecting step 103:53
lcukdo you have a decent map of the git repos?03:54
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timeless_w7ipi don't have a decent map of git repos03:58
timeless_w7ipi just discovered git.meego.org03:58
timeless_w7ipwhich doesn't seem to be friendly03:59
lcukheh03:59
timeless_w7ipok, i guess that's just a ghost03:59
timeless_w7ipnote to self: contact whichever idiots reference that ghost and politely ask them to stop04:00
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lcukIanWizard, not that I know of04:01
lcukits a decent idea though04:01
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IanWizardlcuk: I might be getting one soon, I might try it.04:02
lcukwould be good to see04:03
lcukthe kitchen pops up often in my thoughts04:04
pupnik_it's just a ride, it's just a ride04:04
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CosmoHillnighgt ngiht04:15
CosmoHillcurse you english04:15
ketasngihgt04:16
ketasööd04:16
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ketasis that better?04:16
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timeless_w7ipok, i'm downloading vs2010ee04:18
timeless_w7ipyou wanted me to get some other thing too?04:18
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timeless_w7ipqt-creator?04:19
timeless_w7iphttp://qt.nokia.com/downloads/downloads <- this page sucks04:20
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ketasit will go away soon04:20
ngharoHello, i'm trying to install MeegGo on the Google CR-48 laptop.  Installer ran fine but i'm trying to find more about the bootloader since I always get "invalid boot device"...04:21
timeless_w7ipngharo: you could give away your cr-48 ;-)04:21
ngharocan someone tell me how to write a MBR to disk using a meego live-usb instance04:22
ngharoi even tried to dd the bootloader from the usb stick to my disk, of course that didnt work04:22
chxiehi, I faced some problem, When I run the qt application on MeeGo n900 under terminal, it will notes:cannot connect to X server, can anybodu help me? thanks04:23
ketasmissing DISPLAY env var?04:24
chxiebut when I click run On Qt IDE, it can run succeed04:24
timeless_w7ipoh, someone asked for an eta04:25
timeless_w7ipi have one <convert> process for git which has an eta of 18hours04:25
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timeless_w7ipthere's a second one of those which i shouldn't start until the first finishes04:25
timeless_w7ipthat ignores all the other fun stuff04:26
ketaserr 18 hours04:26
timeless_w7ipconverting <linux kernel> is expensive04:26
timeless_w7ipand since the linux kernels we have are under no obligation to relate to any other linux kernel, it's relatively hard to take shortcuts04:26
ketastake a sleep04:26
chxie@ketas, thank you, after I export the DISPLAY value, my application works:004:27
ketas:)04:27
ketaswhy it's missing at first place?04:28
ketasyou don't have DISPLAY in n900 terminal by default?04:28
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timeless_w7ipthis isn't maemo they're using afaict04:29
ketasjust wild guess, i don't own n90004:29
ketasbut i want to04:30
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chxie@ketas, it seems there is no default value for Meego DISPLAY env, so before you set it ,the application cannot run04:35
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timeless_w7iplcuk: ping04:38
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TSCHAKeeeso let's say OBS successfully builds a package..where the hell do i go to get it, or....what's next?04:40
* timeless_w7ip chuckles04:40
timeless_w7iplcuk: so, the installer doesn't fit on the screen :)04:40
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ketaschxie: can you maybe put that to shell startup, if not somewhere even earlier04:41
timeless_w7ipand it's worse in portrait mode04:41
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smokuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9f_qIsqdxg  :)04:44
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gabrbeddngharo: too bootloader for MeeGo pinetrail (i.e. Netbook) is extlinux http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/EXTLINUX04:45
gabrbeddngharo: Its config file is /boot/extlinux/exlinux.conf04:45
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gabrbeddngharo: The bootloader requires that /boot be an ext3 partition.  It can't be ext4 or btrfs.04:47
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ngharogabrbedd: thanks!04:50
ngharohopefully i'll resolve these installer issues to give it another shot >_>04:50
ngharothe disk selection screen of the installer seems a bit wonky.04:51
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ngharoi'm zero'ing out my drive now and will try it again04:51
ngharospeak of the devil ;)04:52
gabrbeddngharo: you going with the defaults on disk partitioning... or are you tinkering?04:52
lcuktimesless, lol04:53
lcuki bet vb classic would.  it was designed for these sorts of screen res04:53
lcuk800*600 was common04:53
timeless_w7iplcuk: is the Qt installer's first text intentionally fuzzy?04:54
lcuki think the fuzz lasts all the way, afaik I noticed the menues doing it at one point04:55
lcukbut I am writing stuff in bed, gnite dude \o04:56
lcukthanks btw04:56
timeless_w7iplcuk: the text in the installer is stupid04:57
timeless_w7ipoh, and the qt installer has painting issues, it likes to flash me04:57
timeless_w7ip"debugging of" => ick04:58
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timeless_w7ipoh, and suggesting i download something i already have installed = insulting + stupid04:58
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timeless_w7ipoh, and for some reason it doesn't think it should install in Program Files with all the other children04:59
timeless_w7iphow rude04:59
ngharook after I zero'd my drive out and re-ran the installer everythings good04:59
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gabrbeddngharo: sweet!04:59
timeless_w7ip---------------------------rnQt SDK 2010.05 Setuprn---------------------------rnThe installation path can't contain spaces.rn---------------------------rnOK   rn---------------------------05:00
timeless_w7ipright, doesn't play nice with anyone05:00
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timeless_w7iplcuk: oh, it doesn't let me not install the examples afaict05:08
timeless_w7ipeven though it's quite likely that i don't care for them05:08
gabrbeddtimeless_w7ip: but its for teh windoze uzerz... they likes the rudes.05:08
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timeless_w7ip(and it seems to spend an inordinate amount of time touching examples)05:08
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lcuktimeless, the examples are good, if for nothing else, than shared benchmarking and collaborative improvements05:11
timeless_w7iplcuk "i can install the Qt SDK in 10 hours"05:12
timeless_w7ip"well I can install the Qt SDK in 9.3 hours!"05:12
timeless_w7ip=b05:12
lcuklol wtf!05:12
timeless_w7ipwell, you said benchmarking05:13
lcuki recall a microsoft installer once telling me something similar05:13
timeless_w7ipand i'm saying that they take up the majority of the install time05:13
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timeless_w7ipoh, note that vce installed first05:14
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berndhsgood night, don't wreck the machinery05:14
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lcuktimeless, i still desire an ide designed for touch.05:15
timeless_w7ipoh brother05:15
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timeless_w7ipit's patching binaries?05:15
lcuklol05:15
timeless_w7ipwhat kind of ****d up installer does that?05:15
timeless_w7ipPatching qmake, core and gui libs...05:15
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timeless_w7ipoh, um05:16
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timeless_w7ipwindows update is offering me w7sp105:16
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lcuktimeless, you heard about the wp7 update niggles?05:17
timeless_w7ip?05:17
lcukwas on slashdot earlier, i havent got easy way to get you a link05:17
timeless_w7ipeh,, wtf05:18
timeless_w7ipCreate folder: c:\users\timeless\AppData\Roaming\Nokia05:18
timeless_w7ip!!?05:18
timeless_w7ipwtf is an installer touching my appdata directory?05:18
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lcukfirst run should detect empty/missing localuser data and act accordingly, but i am betting it is dropping a heavy amount of examples in there05:19
timeless_w7ipyou'll lose that bet\05:20
timeless_w7ipif it tries to stick a lot of stuff into a roaming directory05:20
timeless_w7ipheads will roll05:20
lcukwhat is it putting there?05:20
timeless_w7ipnothing05:20
timeless_w7ipit just created it05:20
timeless_w7ipeven though it already existed05:21
lcuknice05:21
timeless_w7ip(i have ovi suite and intellisync directories in it)05:21
lcukanyway for about the 4th time, gnite05:21
timeless_w7ipi'll post pictures somewhere05:21
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ngharoany irssi users in the house? how to get alt+upkey to scroll in gnome-term?05:25
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newjorhello,i have a intel platform which installed  meego handset 1.1, here i cannot configure the network,who can give me some suggestion? thank a lot05:32
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TSCHAKeeevgrade: were you or arfoll able to get libva working correctly?07:24
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chxiehi, how can amixer select the audio what I'm playing, and send it to Another phone(when calling)? can anybody give me some info? thanks.09:04
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divanpulseaudio over network?09:07
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chxiepulseaudio? yes the pulseaudio is worked, and I want use amixer wo do the job, is it ok?09:10
pupnik_fun question chxie09:11
chxiesorry, I'm a new come with this, can you discribe something for me?09:12
pupnik_both pulseaudio and alsa (not amixer) can route audio from one place to another09:13
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chxieso you mean amixer cannot toute audio?09:14
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pupnik_amixer itself cannot09:15
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pupnik_how do you want to provide this service chxie ?09:16
pupnik_just for yourself?  or do you want to make a widget that can route audio to the phone somehow?09:16
pupnik_this is an interesting question :   for example, i am speaking on the 'phone' application - can I start a music player and show some audio to the person i am calling09:17
chxieyou are right, show some audio to the person I am calling09:17
pupnik_chxie: do you just want a hack for yourself, or to make this function a builtin part of meego?09:18
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pupnik_it involves the handset application framework09:18
chxiejust for myself.09:19
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pupnik_chxie: is it possible to start/run another program while using the phone application?09:19
chxieyes, it's possible09:21
pupnik_the software layer that can do this 'live' routing of audio is called pulseaudio09:21
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pupnik_you /nick pupnik09:21
pupnik_damnit09:21
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chxieis it used as "pulseaudio xxx xxx"?09:23
chxiei'm really new comer about this..09:23
pupnikalso "The Resource Manager can be used e.g. to change the audio routing in the device "09:23
pupnik"Event listening and change enforcement in the Resource Manager happens through plugin modules"09:23
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pupnik"The audio architecture in MeeGo is centered around the GStreamer and PulseAudio frameworks. In addition, the Resource Manager plays a role in coordinating the audio related behavior of the device (audio routings)."09:24
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pupnikchxie: i would learn how the 'Resource Manager' works, and then how it 'routes' audio with PulseAudio09:25
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chxie@pupnik, could you show me some docs?09:29
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pupnikchxie: i can only google09:31
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chxiebefore I ask question, I have googled so much...09:32
chxiehmmm09:32
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pupnik"route audio" pulseaudio09:35
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mikhasheya, what inputmethod-related wiki.meego.com pages do you know about?13:12
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lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/Input_Method_Framework/MeeGo_1.113:14
lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/Input_Method_Framework rather13:14
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Skyscraperdoes meego work good with nokia n900? or are there still some "placeholder" or not working apps?13:21
lcukSkyscraper, how about you get latest image and try for yourself?13:22
lcukand file bugs/make noise/get stuck into fixing/improving any you notice13:23
Skyscraperlcuk: why should i do that if you could tell me "phone not work" or "sms not work" or "browsing not work"... so dayli use is impossible13:23
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lcukdaily use for many people is different and no one person knows the status of all things13:24
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lcukgo and look at bugs.meego.com and see if specific issues are there blocking your way13:24
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Skyscraperlcuk: i need phone, sms and browsing at least... - and would be cool if its possible to REAL multiboot maemo/meego13:24
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lcukNZ is still shaking, lots of tremors and aftershocks :O13:31
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Skyscrapernz?13:34
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lcukSkyscraper, New Zealand http://twitter.com/nz_quake/status/4037231813172428813:37
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viszthe N950 sounds interesting13:38
viszallthough the only released information was the name and it probably isn't even going to be the final name of the product13:39
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Skyscraperdoes http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot work?13:47
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lcukSkyscraper, yes, however it is very technical and includes many things that need checking by yourself first13:49
Skyscraperive checked my kernel like described there... its all great.. ive not installed many things, because i reflashed my n900 yesterday13:50
smokusince this is not arm-specific, I will post links here too... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9f_qIsqdxg  http://codex.xiaoka.com/wiki/cordia:install_guide13:52
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Skyscraperok install of uboot-pr13 worked great... seeing penguin on boot and then it boots noloboot13:52
Skyscrapersmoku: what does that? installs the hildon ui on top of meego?13:53
smokuSkyscraper, yup13:54
smokusee the yt video13:54
Skyscrapersmoku: does it work with an image from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php, too?13:54
smokuSkyscraper, trunk only13:54
Skyscrapersmoku: how to install trunk to n900?13:54
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lcukDOH!14:02
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lcukwho deals with the http://download.meego.com/testing-daily/builds/trunk/latest/ links?14:02
lcuklatest/ still points to 021814:02
Skyscraperhttp://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ smoku with this?14:03
lcukeven worse, its got a changelog from 1714:03
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smokuSkyscraper, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.90.4.20110222.2/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/14:03
smokuSkyscraper, or the one you found :)14:03
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Skyscrapersmoku: do you know a working version?14:04
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smokuSkyscraper, nope. I don't use n900 for development14:04
Skyscraperhm14:04
Skyscraperwhats better? your version or the "latest"?14:04
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lcuksmoku, would be handy for it to be tested14:05
lcukits very easy to make apps and projects work on x86, but takes special skills to make them also work well on ARM :)14:05
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smokulcuk, that's why I'm working on x86 first.  it's hard enough. don't want to make it even harder14:07
jboshey guys - i wonder14:07
jboswhen i want to request something as meego core feature14:07
jbos(or meego core handset / netbook)14:07
lcuksmoku, well, since you are bringing it from ARM, I would have thought it would be half done14:07
jboswhere and how to place it correctly in bugzilla14:08
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jbosis there some kind of "good practice feature request text"14:08
jboswhat infos are needed14:08
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lcukuse your head, discuss preferably first, word it carefully, use your neatest handwriting14:08
lcukand hope it gets onto the desk of the right person14:09
smokulcuk, should be. but working on a device with a keyboard, real ethernet port, and USB port is so much easier... ;P14:09
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lcuksmoku, how on earth do people manage to develop for n900 then :O14:09
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smokulcuk, I believe they are secretly masohists ;P14:10
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lcuksmoku, gah, if they are masochists, what about the folks who actively compile and build and even write apps directly on their devices!14:11
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smokulcuk, they don't even try to hide!14:12
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lcuksmoku, those same people did it from n8x0 as well ;)14:36
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jonnorjbos: make sure it is not an upstream feature (in which case it should go directly upstream)14:47
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fearghalohareHelp needed: meego zypper giving error: url scheme is required error-i get this when trying to install/search in zypper, anyone seen this before?14:49
jonnorfearghalohare: please pastebin the exact usage and exact errormessage14:50
jbosjonnor, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1376214:51
MeeGoBotBug 13762 enh, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, NEW, [FEA] Provide Peregrine Communicator in MeeGo Core14:51
jboshope thats fine so14:52
jbosand correct process :D14:52
fearghaloharejonner: unexpected exception <b> Url scheme is required component. please file a bug report for this see http://en.opensuse.org/Zypper/Troubleshooting for instructions14:54
fearghaloharei checked that url but couldnt see a solution14:54
lcukfearghalohare, reset your cache and refresh, just trying to find the command line to do it14:55
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lcukfearghalohare, you could try:  zypper clean --all14:59
lcukthen zypper refresh14:59
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lcukit flushes the cache and redownloads the repo lists and stuff14:59
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jonnorjbos: looks good.15:01
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CosmoHillI wish my cluster was made of these: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cinemafia_photography/4998293301/15:04
CosmoHillin fact that one server has 4 times as many cores as my cluster :(15:05
hirabayashitaroI have a problem with my sd card on n90015:06
hirabayashitaroi dropped it and now the sd card is read only15:06
hirabayashitarohow can I fix it?15:06
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lcukCosmoHill, if you drool over the stuff you do not have, you miss the beauty and importance in what you do have.15:09
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slainehirabayashitaro: you sure the "read-only" switch is set correctly ?15:11
CosmoHilllcuk: good point, I think I've found another test for the nodes to run, blender rendering. found a cross platform render software which hopefully won'y need a GUI15:12
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hirabayashitaroslaine, what do you mean?15:14
hirabayashitaroslaine, if you mean the switch on  the card itself, I don't have it, because it is a micro sd15:15
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CosmoHillcyas15:21
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kyberdneary: ping15:39
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dnearykyber, Pong, but busy15:44
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newjorhow can i configure the network in meego1.1? who can give me some suggestion15:53
lcuknewjor, which UX?15:54
newjorhandset15:55
newjori have configured the ip,DNS, and  from XP i can succeed to ping meego,but from meego failed to ping xp15:57
lcuknewjor, perhaps your XP has a firewall.15:59
lcuksince XP == xtra paranoid15:59
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newjorhow can i solve it16:01
lcuknewjor, can other machines on your network ping the xp machine?16:01
newjoryeah,i can do ping the xp from other xp platform16:02
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newjorand always print bad address when executed the ping command16:06
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smokunewjor, do you ping by name or address?16:08
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wazdHeya all16:16
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lcukmorning wazd \o16:16
wazdLcuk: heya, long time no see :)16:16
wazdLcuk: how r u? :)16:17
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lcukwazd, as good as someone living around hormonal pregnant woman can be.16:18
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wazdLcuk: aw, nice shot :D16:19
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wazdLcuk: I mean congrats :)16:19
lcuk:D16:20
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lcukwazd you and vlad and many others are noted here: http://liqbase.net/liqbase.info.txt16:21
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wazdLcuk: it's pretty nice to live with a woman that's not fat and crazy when not pregnant anyway :) so you can see the difference :)16:22
lcuklol yeah, hormones make quite a difference16:23
* gabrbedd came in at the wrong point in this conversation...16:23
epxinterestingly enough, my wife' best times when she was pregnant16:23
epxshe has a slight tendency to depression/disthimia and it simply vanished while pregnant16:24
lcukepx, similar here, although I mustv said something wrong this morning, she did not make me a bacon butty!16:24
epxtoo bad I alrady made vasectomy16:24
epxhaha16:24
* lcuk patched it up by fixing her computer :)16:24
lcukand grabbed a bite of sons bacon butty instead :O16:24
wazdLcuk: epx: jeez :).16:25
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arfollvgrade, is it the 1.5.2 EMGD running on your joggler images?17:18
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slaineI wonder what happened to Intel shipping an x86 build of froyo last summer18:43
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ali1234when i view the tablet ux thread in gmail the sponsored links are "project management", "business management", "effective management" and "android tablet"19:11
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chinmayawhen i run this command ..nothing happens chinmaya@chinmaya-workstation:~$ sudo mad remote -r meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.2-runtime poweron19:12
chinmayaStarting QEMU runtime meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.2-runtime19:12
chinmayaThis may take some time ...19:12
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chinmayaand after that again i get the $ prompt19:12
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gabrbedddoes anyone know if the MeeGo API has any kind of MIDI device abstraction?20:45
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lcukgabrbedd, how would you do it in other programming languages?20:49
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lcukonly real toe dipping with midi for me has been with OpenSoundControl library, which existed on Maemo (cos I ported it) and not so far as part of qt20:50
gabrbeddlcuk: I would use JACK or ALSA.20:50
lcukwhich misses out a whole class of interactive collaborative instruments20:50
gabrbeddJACK isn't MeeGo, and ALSA is "Platform API"20:50
lcukso then you answered your own question?20:50
lcukif ALSA does what you need, then its there?20:50
gabrbeddlcuk: I do intend to use OSC, too... but sometimes you need the hardware device.20:51
lcukI know that feeling20:51
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gabrbeddlcuk: Well, there are all kinds of promises about the "MeeGo API" -- and the promises on "Platform API" keep changing.20:52
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gabrbeddlcuk: It's obvious they want us to use the MeeGo API as much as possible, esp. if we want to stick it in an app store.20:52
lcukgabrbedd, then pin it down and ask specific related questions (not just here) check bugzilla for features expected and CC yourself20:52
lcukfollow bugs related to implementation20:52
lcuketc20:52
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gabrbeddlcuk: So, are you suggesting that I put in a feature request for MIDI hardware abstraction?20:54
CosmoHillhey lcuk, I made a good ammount of progress today on my cluster20:54
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jonnorgabrbedd: best shot for MIDI in the Meego API would likely be to implement in gstreamer (see http://cgit.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gstreamer/tree/docs/random/uraeus/gstreamer_and_midi.txt and related), then wait for that to be available in QtGstreamer20:56
jonnorby then QtGstreamer will probably be Meego API20:56
jonnoron the other hand, I would not be very worried about alsa going away/changing20:57
jonnorwell, I guess it could be restricted to use from apps by security framework...20:59
jonnorplease do fix MIDI in gstreamer :D many people will love you20:59
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TSCHAKeeeor here's a thought21:01
TSCHAKeeeactually implement DVD menu navigation21:01
TSCHAKeee*SHOCK*21:01
gabrbeddjonnor: Thanks for the suggestion... I'll probably stick with ALSA.  I tried to do an appsrc/appsink thing once, and quit after lots and lots of cussing.21:01
gabrbedd:-)21:01
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jonnorgabrbedd: now is your chance for revenge! :D21:02
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gabrbeddlbt: X-Fade: can I get access to the community OBS?  I would like access so that I can help Extras/Surrounds by porting existing, free multimedia software to MeeGo.  For example: JACK, liblo, qjackctl.  My meego.com username is gabrbedd.21:06
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lbtgabrbedd: sure21:06
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gabrbeddlbt: thanks.21:07
lbtbeaware that we're working on process and policy here21:07
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lbtso the 'surrounds' isn't setup yet21:07
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lbtalso with the turmoil21:07
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lbtwe may steer a different course21:07
lbtCan I suggest that you don't "port"21:08
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mikhas:-D21:08
lbtand instead focus on "maintain"21:08
gabrbeddlbt: Well, I'll ask before doing something silly.  Just to be clear:  the Nokia turmoil?21:08
lbtyes, that21:08
gabrbeddlbt: What do you mean by "don't 'port'"21:08
gabrbedd?21:08
lbtporting is trivial and almost automatable21:08
lbtmaintain means you take a commitment to monitor upstream and be around for a while21:08
lbtthe former is frankly more harm than good21:09
gabrbeddso... s/port/maintain/ in my above request?21:09
lbtthe latter earns undying gratitude :)21:09
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lbt:)21:09
gabrbeddok, I can agree to that. :-)21:09
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lbtga21:11
lbtgabrbedd: you're enabled21:11
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lanii am trying to install Qt on my wetab here. i just compile Qt for 32-bit (am on 64-bit os) and copy over the libs? that's it?21:12
gabrbeddlbt: thanks!21:12
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tripzerothiago_home,21:13
tripzeroping21:13
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lanii am wondering if any special compile options are required for qt other than 32-bit21:15
gabrbeddlani: Maybe ask on qt-interest ML or in a #qt channel.  Most of us here have been working in 32-bit land.21:16
gabrbedd(as far as MeeGo goes, anyway...)21:17
lanigabrbedd: 32-bit is fine too. so , i just compile qt on my desktop and copy over the libs? that's it?21:17
lanisorry for the 64-bit distraction :)21:17
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gpradeis anyone there?21:19
Stskeepsoccasionally21:19
gpradedoes anyone speak german? my english is very bad, sorry21:19
berndhsI do, sort of21:20
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gpradekennst Du Dich mit dem Konzept von buteo aus? Ich verstehe leider nicht alles im wiki und in den foren bzw. mailinglists21:21
gabrbeddlani: Yeah, I've done something like that before.  Compile a bunch of stuff on a faster PC and then rsync it to the slower device.  That should work.21:21
gabrbeddlani: Works a little more reliable if the desktop is compiling in some sort of MeeGo environment (qemu, chroot, etc.)21:21
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lanigabrbedd: is that the normal way of compiling?21:22
lanigabrbedd: ah21:22
berndhsgprade: Nein, buteo kenn ich nicht21:22
gabrbeddlani: the "official" way to compile stuff is through OBS.21:22
gabrbeddlani: For everyone else, yes.21:22
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gabrbeddlani: :-)21:22
gpradeberndh: ok, dann versuch ich es mal auf englisch, vieleicht kennt einer der anderen sich aus, aber danke21:23
* lani googles OBS21:23
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gabrbeddlani: it's an automated build system located here:  http://build.meego.com21:23
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gpradedoes anyone knows with buteo?21:23
gabrbeddgotta go... good luck!21:23
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andre__gprade: no, but if you have a specific question you normally get better results21:24
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Stskeepsgprade: take a talk with pohly when he's around21:26
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lanigabrbedd: thanks for your help21:27
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thiago_hometripzero: pong21:29
gpradeok, that's concept of buteo compare with activesync? there is a working chance that buteo like activesync? I once had windows and a windows mibile phone, it was very easy to sync the contacts. Today I am using opensuse and hope has long been an alternative. could it would be nice if I have a Meego phone with thunderbird and lightning sync. as with activesync. will that work? or it will in future only give away the external server? nice would be21:29
gpradethe phone directly to the pc to connect. I've read something about device-device-sync, but do not understand how far the development is.21:29
gpradesorry, for my bad english21:29
Stskeepsgprade: that was pretty good english, don't worry too much :)21:29
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gprade:-) thx21:30
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gpradei dont wont use m$ or apple in future, but i need sync, i am a teacher in school and have a lot of dates, mobilme from apple is a very easy thing, i see it by other, it would be great if meego could the same directly to the desktop pc21:33
gpradeand on my desktop i use thunderbird, but if it works i would use kontact from kde21:34
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gpradebut better would be thunderbird21:35
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gprade;-( noone any idea?21:41
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gabrbeddgprade: There are currently no MeeGo phones shipping... so I think that even if we had an answer it wouldn't help you much.21:44
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mikhas"i am a teacher in school and have a lot of dates" - that's so wrong ...21:45
lanigabrbedd: i found http://wetab.mobi/en/developers/downloads-and-howtos/. so basically, they provide a virtualbox image for development21:46
lanii guess for other devices s/virtualbox/qemu but the idea is the same21:46
andre__mikhas: keep in mind that the line before was "sorry for my bad english"21:46
mikhasa-ha21:47
gabrbeddandre__: +121:47
gabrbeddlani: Pretty much.  However, some of these environments are great for compiling a single app... but not so great for trying to recompile qt.21:48
gabrbeddlani: I've recompiled qt before, and done it in a chroot.21:49
gabrbeddlani: btw, why are you recompiling qt?21:49
laniwetab doesn't have qt, afaict21:49
lanii cannot find it in their repos either21:49
gabrbeddwetab is meego, isn't it?  I think that means they're required to have qt libs to call themselves meego.21:50
gabrbeddlani: What does `cat /etc/meego-release` give you from a command-line/terminal?21:50
lanigabrbedd: ah, nice. i was wondering how to find that out. it says 1.021:51
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gabrbeddAnd what about `zypper repos` ?21:52
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gabrbedd(might want to use pastebin on that one)21:52
gpradeok, all thx, i see, i must wait till the first handset is released21:53
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lanione sec, it has only yum21:55
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laniNo repositories defined. Use the 'zypper addrepo' command to add one or more repositories.21:56
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lanii can paste the yum repolist21:56
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lanihttp://pastebin.com/9ijicAcL21:57
jonnorhow do I checkout my OBS project with osc? The documentation seems to only be for stuff on build.opensuse.org (where the base of the url is implied)22:05
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gabrbeddlani: Three things to try....22:05
gabrbeddlani: 1) muck about the URL's for the tiitoo repos to see if there's any extra repos for things like "-devel" packages.22:06
gabrbeddlani: 2) Contact WeTab and ask for their advice on how to add qt development tools to your machine22:06
gabrbeddlani: 3) Carefully add repos from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/22:07
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jonnorso, what is the apiurl for Meego Core OBS?22:34
gabrbeddjonnor: URL for community OBS is build.pub.meego.com22:35
gabrbeddjonnor: Is that what you're after?22:35
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jonnorgabrbedd: no, I'm looking for the api url for the core OBS. The API url is what OBS clients like osc use when commnicating with the service22:40
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mikhasshouldnt lbt know this? ^22:40
lbtmmm22:41
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lbthttps://api.meego.com22:41
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lbtnot sure if you have anon api access though22:42
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hirabayashitaroI think meego is experiancing an identity crisis22:44
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jonnorProbably not, but I got credentials. Is there any documentation apart from what is on wiki.meego.com for core OBS?22:44
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lbthttps://api.opensuse.org/apidocs/22:45
hirabayashitaroIn my opinion It is not clear which is the goal for the project, and so people are having talks like this one http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-February/003470.html22:46
lbthttps://api.pub.meego.com/apidocs/22:46
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jonnorlbt: should have been more specific, I mean end-user docs for packagers. Right now my only goal is to be able to work one of my OBS projects (under my home) using osc22:49
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gabrbeddhirabayashitaro: I wouldn't be too alarmed by those discussions.  That thread in particular is simply different people with different interests trying to find a common ground to work from.22:53
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lbtjonnor: it's on my todo :)22:56
lbtmeanwhile there are some tutorials on the wiki22:56
gabrbeddhirabayashitaro: some of the confusion comes over the different ways and contexts that the name "MeeGo" is intended to be used.  For example, if ACME, Inc. releases a MeeGo phone, it is indeed "MeeGo" if they meet the compliance specs.  However, it's not necc. "MeeGo" in that they are governed by the LInux Foundation and part of the open development system.22:58
lbthttp://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers22:58
gabrbeddhirabayashitaro: There's similar confusion over the MeeGo Touch Framework... which is actually not a required component in a MeeGo device.22:58
Venemoguys, this is definitely worth a look and a vote: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1351622:59
MeeGoBotBug 13516 nor, Undecided, ---, brian.warner, ASSI, Proposal: Allow MeeGo trademark usage in form of "<X>, a MeeGo R&D project"22:59
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jonnorlbt: good. The api url was the most problematic for me, as I could not find that anywhere22:59
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hirabayashitarogabrbedd, Anyway I share the same problem as them. I don't understand exactly what meego is supposed to be23:03
hirabayashitarogabrbedd, The UX is a point in case. Should meego have one or not? Which components are supposed to be in meego and which are supposed to be released by vendors?23:04
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lcukn900lbt, do you still have the builds of shopper for the n8x0?23:13
Guest36086Guys there is a good video from the last conference on compliance.   Answered a lot of questions in this area.23:13
lcukn900guest, link please.23:14
lcukn900always useful to help participation23:14
Guest36086Also the community wiki page23:16
Guest36086Vgrade here. Watching the game will link later23:16
lcukn900ok \o23:16
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Guest36086Although the game is boring so far23:18
lcukn900lol yeah hearing no cheering from tracy23:18
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* lani got 1.2 alpha running on wetab23:19
lanistill tons of work to be done23:19
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lbtlcukn900: mmm autobuilder maybe ?23:19
lanibut looks ok otherwise23:19
lcukn900lbt I didnt know whether it got as far23:20
lcukn900was just wondering how much of a difference all the little optimisation things you had to test have survived passaige of time23:20
lcukn900and how well old code from then runs23:20
lcukn900in my experiences (been digging in archives myself this evening) it works rather well23:21
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lbt:)23:26
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lardman|homelbt: just the man!23:28
lbthey lardman|home23:28
lardman|homecould you sort me out with an OBS account, pretty please23:28
lardman|homeand how are you?23:29
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lbtof course....23:32
DawnFosterAll request for help should be accompanied by a "pretty please"23:32
lbtand .... "kinda wondering what the future holds"23:32
lbthey DawnFoster23:32
DawnFosterhey lbt23:32
lbtyou just got in ?23:32
DawnFosternice seeing you yesterday!23:32
Stskeepslbt: why wonder when you can create it!23:33
Stskeeps;)23:33
lbtlardman|home: done23:33
DawnFosterlbt: working from home today - started at 6am with a little break over lunch to hit the gym23:33
lardman|homelbt: thanks :)23:33
lbtStskeeps: we are doing just that ....23:33
lbtDawnFoster: ouch... I crawled out of bed at 8am feeling guilty23:33
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gabrbeddhirabayashitaro: it might help to understand it if you read the current MeeGo Compliance spec... and try reading it from 2 points of view:  1) I am an ODM and 2) I develop app-store applications.23:34
lbtstill, a few hours of Tango tonight will fix that :D23:34
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gabrbeddhirabayashitaro: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/Compliance23:34
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DawnFosterlbt: ha! By starting work early, I don't feel guilty for taking a long lunch and getting in a really good workout :)23:34
lbt:)23:35
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lbtI use the same reasoning for my siestas23:35
DawnFosterlbt: and I needed to work off that massive amount of lebanese food from last night. I was still full when I woke up!23:35
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lbtyeah ... we're not eating today23:35
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Ronksumust have been some dinner .. :)23:39
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Stskeepshttp://rhaamo.gruik.at/netbsd_omap/i_can_haz_root_device_kthxbye.jpg <- crazy people23:41
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RST38hFinally, a real Unix running on N90023:41
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bdub2DawnFoster, you didn't even have a bacon doughnut. how do you think we felt this am? ;)23:44
DawnFosterbdub2: ha! good point!23:44
bdub2here's a hint: uuuuuggghhhhhh23:45
Ronksuhold on now, a "bacon doughnut" O.o?23:45
lbtStskeeps: are they like 2 years behind?23:45
lbtRonksu: oh don't tell lcukn90023:45
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bdub2indeed. and it was deliciously full of every kind of awesome you can imagine.23:46
Stskeepsbdub2 seem to have found the magic word to please the people originating from maemo.org.. 'bacon'23:46
Stskeeps:P23:46
lbthttp://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/5471675127/23:46
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lbt^^ the aforementioned beast23:47
Ronksubdub2: I guess awesome + awesome = super awesome is not necessarily always true :)23:47
lbtlcukn900: pssst ..... bacon23:47
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* gabrbedd is feeling sick after seeing that picture....23:50
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lbtbbiab23:50
Guest36086http://conference2010.meego.com/session/app-compatibility-and-meego-compliance-program23:50
DawnFosterhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voodoo_Doughnut23:50
bdub2i would like to point out, for the record, that you are seeing maple frosting there.23:50
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lbtit was actually very nice23:50
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lbtbut I just had one bite :_)23:51
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TSCHAKeeewhy the hell would you _EVER_ want NetBSD on an n900? :P23:53
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Stskeepslbt: seeing pictures from maemo summit 2009 makes me wonder if i actually gained weight23:55
Stskeeps:P23:55
lcukn900why not?23:55
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