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| mihero | and the renderer is done with gstreamer so that shouldn't be a problem ether | 00:01 |
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| vgrade | arfoll, doing it now | 00:01 |
| arfoll | vgrade, awesome thx, i have a build of XBMC with GLES that I would like to test :-) | 00:01 |
| vgrade | did you see the enna video | 00:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | vgrade, i did..very nice | 00:02 |
| arfoll | yeah i did, looked nice, but enna is too unfinshed to be usefull | 00:02 |
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| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: is the jan build of emgd working with VA API? | 00:02 |
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| vgrade | no idea how would I tell? | 00:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | run mplayer, or gstreamer with vaapi support to see if video accelleration is working | 00:03 |
| arfoll | TSCHAKeee, don't worry i'll tell you if it runs as soon as the new build is up ;-) | 00:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | there is also vainfo etc that comes with the vaapi tools that tries to get extension data | 00:04 |
| arfoll | yeah but vainfo will usually say everything is good | 00:04 |
| arfoll | unfortunately last EMGD would SEGFAULT if you did anything with vaapi | 00:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | the lack of working VAAPI is what stopped my research work on making the archos9 a LinuxMCE media player | 00:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | arfoll: yup, some idiot built it against libxcb-1.0 | 00:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | which...nobody has shipped for...um...5 years? ;) | 00:05 |
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| arfoll | well the EMGD team seems a little... backwards? | 00:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | they're on their own planet | 00:05 |
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| TSCHAKeee | i mean, a windows installer | 00:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | for a java tool | 00:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | that generates a tarball | 00:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | that's just speshul | 00:06 |
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| arfoll | well at least they seem to provide an RPM for meego now | 00:06 |
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| TSCHAKeee | *SHOCK* | 00:06 |
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| TSCHAKeee | maybe they actually listened to me | 00:06 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I see Joel Clark just requested DLNA support in bugzilla (8516 and 8534), so I guess it's not there yet. | 00:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | dlna.. another wonderful clusterfuck of a standard | 00:08 |
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| TSCHAKeee | (am I bitter..yeah... i feel sorry for the stuff subjected upon people by the consumer electronics companies...while those of us with an imagination to hook this stuff up together are actively blocked at every turn until the consumer electronics companies come up with their own lesser standard) | 00:09 |
| Alison_Chaiken | TSCHAKeee, I am aware that DLNA is an MS standard and it's not my choice, but I need to get existing devices talking to each other . . . | 00:10 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Alison_Chaiken: i know.. i'm just saying, i feel your pain... we're starting to fold UPNP/DLNA into LinuxMCE (which already has a massive messaging system that engulfs UPNP/DLNA in functionality)... | 00:12 |
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| TSCHAKeee | and we've had to design a whole transcoding architecture to deal with all the disparate media playback units..not even counting the funky things that control points are doing. | 00:13 |
| Alison_Chaiken | TSCHAKeee, would I be better off trying to get LinuxMCE working on MeeGo then? Maybe I should just try to install BRisa first. | 00:13 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Alison_Chaiken: not yet.. our UPNP/DLNA support is still being developed... however, if you want to look, LinuxMCE is a complete smart home platform that has no peer anywhere else in the industry. ;) | 00:13 |
| arfoll | Alison_Chaiken: my builds of xbmc for meego have upnp support and my enna build has upnp enabled too | 00:14 |
| Alison_Chaiken | arfoll, your builds are in trunk or testing? | 00:15 |
| arfoll | home:arfoll in public OBS | 00:15 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Thanks, I'll have a look. | 00:15 |
| arfoll | see home:arfoll:enna and home:arfoll:xbmc | 00:15 |
| arfoll | xbmc works nicer than enna tbh, but enna is a dev build | 00:15 |
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| sivang | does anybody know how to search for bugs one has commented in? | 00:37 |
| sivang | in our BTS | 00:38 |
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| Umeaboy | sivang: https://bugs.meego.com/query.cgi | 00:58 |
| Umeaboy | Field called A comment: | 00:59 |
| Umeaboy | See it? | 00:59 |
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| Umeaboy | Also: Email Addresses, Bug Numbers, and Votes-field. | 01:00 |
| Umeaboy | Check the boxes for the reporter & a CC list member. | 01:00 |
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| Umeaboy | Type your emailadress in the field underneath. | 01:00 |
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| sivang | Umeaboy: great, thanks | 01:16 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 02:54 |
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| Reffy | Hey guys, I'm currently attempting to get Wetab functioning on an O2 Joggler. Can anybody assist with this error: | 03:20 |
| Reffy | Debug: Starting pinnwand... LogLevel: "CRITICAL" Fatal: Cant read serial number, terminating Pinnwand | 03:20 |
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| Reffy | Repeatedly | 03:20 |
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| berndhs | the wetab people have a channel #wetab on irc.devnode.net | 03:23 |
| berndhs | perhaps they know something over there | 03:23 |
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| Reffy | Ahhh | 03:25 |
| Reffy | Thanks, I'll check it out | 03:25 |
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| Reffy | Hmmmm | 03:37 |
| Reffy | No reply over there | 03:37 |
| Reffy | Probably due to the lack of people in there | 03:37 |
| berndhs | i think they are in germany, middle of the night there | 03:38 |
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| Reffy | Hmmmm | 04:37 |
| Reffy | Think I may have somewhat found the issue | 04:37 |
| Reffy | script named tiitoo-pinnwand-serial.sh puts out this error | 04:37 |
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| Reffy | The | 04:38 |
| Reffy | Won't let me post it | 04:38 |
| Reffy | lol | 04:38 |
| Reffy | http://pastebin.com/9hhECXhA | 04:39 |
| Reffy | No idea what to do with that though | 04:40 |
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| Reffy | AAaaand solved | 04:59 |
| Reffy | Just edited the serial.sh to output a number | 04:59 |
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| Reffy | Right, the screen position is slightly off. It's showing the desktop as being far bigger than the Joggler can handle. Anyone know how to fix this? | 05:05 |
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| JunJi | Anybody got a meego emulator for ARM on windows? | 05:13 |
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| berndhs | 10 month long trade show http://qt.nokia.com/about/events/mobile-world-congress-2011/ :) | 05:21 |
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| SER_ | hello | 06:43 |
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| josh_ | hi all, which is the latest working image of meego for N900? | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | define 'working' ;) | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | josh_: qa-reports.meego.com is always a good pointer | 08:47 |
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| josh_ | working: that one which atleast boots up the device and connects to laptop through ssh :) | 08:48 |
| josh_ | Stskeeps: this is a very informative and useful link. Thanks. | 08:49 |
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| Stskeeps | it tells very straightforward what issues we have at any given time, at least | 08:50 |
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| Alex-Meego | Is there any virtual keyboard on Meego IVI? standart, which will stay in future releases | 11:09 |
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| Mek | hmm, is there an easy way to import packages or repositories or something from the core obs into the community obs? | 11:45 |
| X-Fade | Mek: Example? | 11:46 |
| Mek | X-Fade: well, I need some package that is in somebodies home: project on the core obs... | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | Mek: linkpac :) | 11:46 |
| Mek | ah, the command line does allow that cross-obs? | 11:46 |
| X-Fade | Mek: We support links now. (Well unannounced feature) :) | 11:46 |
| Mek | hmm, I don't see how to create cross-obs instance links with linkpac? | 11:49 |
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| Stskeeps | we named it meego.com, right? | 11:49 |
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| X-Fade | MeeGo.com:home:whaterever for instance. | 11:50 |
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| Mek | ah, I see... | 11:50 |
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| arfoll | vgrade, thx for the new image, will test when I get home! | 12:03 |
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| PawlaQsE | Is some1 here? | 13:10 |
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| PawlaQsE | I have problem with ,, Gadu Gadu '' comunicator on meego. | 13:10 |
| PawlaQsE | Can some1 helo me ? | 13:11 |
| CosmoHill | have you searched the forums / mailing lists / wiki? | 13:11 |
| PawlaQsE | Yes . But I found only Kadu for Maemo . | 13:12 |
| PawlaQsE | Client installed on MeeGo have problem - Won't download contacts from server. | 13:12 |
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| CosmoHill | PawlaQsE: maybe you should file a bug at bugs.meego.com | 13:19 |
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| Pawlaqse | is some 1 who can help me ? | 13:23 |
| Pawlaqse | With MeeGo system ? | 13:24 |
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| Pawlaqse | Hello ?! | 13:24 |
| Pawlaqse | I have problem with Polish IM Client on MeeGo comunicator. | 13:25 |
| CosmoHill | PawlaQsE: maybe you should file a bug at bugs.meego.com | 13:26 |
| Pawlaqse | I belive that's some other way than reporting and waiting .. | 13:27 |
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| Pawlaqse | Polish IM Client called Gadu Gadu. Client on MeeGo won't import contacts from server. on other comunicator it happens automatically. | 13:28 |
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| andre__ | file a bug, with good steps. | 13:29 |
| Pawlaqse | And I think that some1 can help me. I found client named ,, Kadu '' . But idk how to install it on MeeGo. It's made for linux platform. | 13:29 |
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| andre__ | is it availabe for MeeGo? | 13:30 |
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| Pawlaqse | I don't know. But I know that is avaliable for Maemo. | 13:31 |
| Pawlaqse | That's only what I need more on MeeGo . | 13:31 |
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| thiago | if it's not packaged, compile it on your own | 13:31 |
| Pawlaqse | I don't know how to do this ; ) . | 13:32 |
| thiago | follow the README :-) | 13:32 |
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| Pawlaqse | Will it help ? | 13:33 |
| thiago | it won't hinder :-) | 13:33 |
| Pawlaqse | MeeGo hasn't got somethink like Wine ? | 13:33 |
| Pawlaqse | something* | 13:33 |
| thiago | I doubt it's packaged | 13:33 |
| thiago | you can install it if you want, by the same way: compile yourself | 13:33 |
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| thiago | you can also try and install .rpm files from Fedora or OpenSUSE. They may work. No guarantees though. | 13:34 |
| Pawlaqse | I don't need Wine, but Gadu have Windows-based cliend . | 13:34 |
| Pawlaqse | client* | 13:34 |
| andre__ | unrelated. | 13:34 |
| Pawlaqse | Afff... So I have to report this as a bug. | 13:34 |
| poutsi | that's how things tend to work | 13:35 |
| poutsi | or not, as sometimes happens | 13:35 |
| poutsi | it's just people, after all | 13:35 |
| Pawlaqse | Cuz client support gadu gadu, but it won't save contacts , just for few minutes. Won't import and I can't change name of contacts . | 13:36 |
| Pawlaqse | Gadu have number names , meaby that's the problem . | 13:36 |
| Pawlaqse | So I have to uinstall MeeGo. . . grr ... | 13:37 |
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| Pawlaqse | Anyway, thank's for answering my question. Meaby see ya in future, if MeeGo project will still alive. | 13:38 |
| Pawlaqse | #quit | 13:38 |
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| poutsi | I see no vultures circling just yet :) | 13:38 |
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| sergiusens | Pawlaqse: try installing pidgin, dunno if it has gadu gagu in it or not though | 13:39 |
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| niala1 | heloo | 14:08 |
| niala1 | hello | 14:08 |
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| CosmoHill | plop niala1 | 14:19 |
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| Mek | hmm, is the community obs down? or is it just me... both ocs and my webbrowser don't seem to be able to reach it anymore... | 14:26 |
| X-Fade | Mek: Ah.. load is too high ;) We still have very conservative settings there. | 14:27 |
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| Mek | :) | 14:28 |
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| Mek | X-Fade: could that also cause my own build to be stuck? (or at least seem to be stuck) | 14:29 |
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| X-Fade | Mek: Could be as the api did not respond. But let me see if the build is still running or not. | 14:33 |
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| john__ | This is the first access at #meego. | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | welcome | 14:36 |
| X-Fade | Mek: Kicked the build and has restarted. | 14:37 |
| Mek | X-Fade: thanks | 14:38 |
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| X-Fade | Mek: I know it is like watching paint dry, but it is going now ;) | 14:40 |
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| X-Fade | Mek: Hopefully we have time soon to duplicate Stskeep's experiments there. | 14:40 |
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| Christer2 | hey guys, im looking to develop an application using the accelerometer. can you point me to any good learning resources? | 15:38 |
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| slaine | Christer2: Not entirely sure, but I think that's covered by the qt-mobility API's. So perhaps look at some of their documentation | 15:39 |
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| sandst1 | Christer2: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-mobility-snapshot/sensors-api.html | 15:41 |
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| Christer2 | that's all helpful thanks guys | 15:43 |
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| dneary | slaine, Ping? | 16:25 |
| milian | any hint on how I can debug why the meego sdk is not workin on my maverik machine: http://paste.kde.org/4326/ ? | 16:25 |
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| milian | the "this may take some time" instantely returns | 16:25 |
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| slaine | dneary: ACK | 16:26 |
| slaine | dneary: Exactly what I was leading to | 16:26 |
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| slaine | #irc backchannel | 16:27 |
| lcuk | hey dneary \o | 16:27 |
| dneary | slaine, Depressing doing the commit counts | 16:27 |
| slaine | It can't be "done" so it looks like it's been dropped | 16:27 |
| dneary | slaine, I knew from recent conversations that things were bad, didn't think they were that bad | 16:27 |
| dneary | Hi lcuk | 16:27 |
| lcuk | dneary, this makes me smile :) http://liqbase.net/liq.20110208_002.liqbook.on.meego.ideapad.jpg | 16:28 |
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| lardman | lcuk: do you parse the text and render each letter one by one? | 16:30 |
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| lcuk | lardman, yes, when there is no sketchfont available, it falls back on normal ones | 16:31 |
| lardman | or do you generate a font using the written alphabet for each person, and then let the font subsystem deal with it? | 16:31 |
| dneary | slaine, I tend to agree. It's not done, so people have been moved to other stuff | 16:31 |
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| lcuk | lardman, liqbook includes mine and tracy's handwriting sketch fonts :) | 16:31 |
| lcuk | it was so good to take that extra little piece of her with me this weekend | 16:32 |
| lcuk | :) | 16:32 |
| lardman | and can it generate a font for users, automatically? | 16:32 |
| lcuk | no | 16:32 |
| lardman | that would be useful if you wish to have people's messages, etc., appear in the correct font | 16:32 |
| lcuk | you have your own handwriting and you must enter it for it to be useable | 16:32 |
| lcuk | yes :) | 16:32 |
| lardman | and indeed it would be useful to be able to do that wihtout liqbase, so that e.g. someone who uses Windows only in Australia, could send you their font | 16:33 |
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| lcuk | btw, it is on maemo extras-devel now | 16:33 |
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| lcuk | I got scratchbox working and pushed an update | 16:33 |
| lardman | good good, what was the blocker? | 16:33 |
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| lcuk | Tracy helped lots with English grammar and punctuation :) | 16:33 |
| lcuk | it needed a description | 16:33 |
| dneary | slaine, Maybe no-one cares about the netbook? | 16:33 |
| villev | dneary: commit counts for what? | 16:33 |
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| lcuk | lardman, yes | 16:34 |
| dneary | villev, Netbook UX modules | 16:34 |
| lardman | lcuk: ok, so I was right first time | 16:34 |
| lcuk | I want to implement this in Qt | 16:34 |
| dneary | villev, Core apps, panels, window manager | 16:34 |
| lcuk | so that our existing apps can take advatage of it | 16:34 |
| lardman | Ah ok, sounds cool | 16:34 |
| dneary | Menus | 16:34 |
| villev | dneary: ah... figures, if there are plans of qt version eventually | 16:34 |
| dneary | I didn't look at themes | 16:34 |
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| lcuk | lardman, yes :) | 16:34 |
| lcuk | btw, I will be in London very soon | 16:35 |
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| slaine | dneary: Or the focus is on CoreOS, Tablets and Handsets | 16:35 |
| lcuk | let me sort out specific travel plans and I will let you know asap | 16:35 |
| lardman | lcuk: If you can organise some sort of get-together then that would be cool, otherwise it's at least £50 to get there, rising to ~£160 if I travel on peak | 16:36 |
| lardman | which is pretty painful! | 16:36 |
| lcuk | yes its about the same for me, I will see what can be organised | 16:36 |
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| lardman | ah but yours is probably covered by work, while mine isn't ;) | 16:37 |
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| lcuk | lardman, where there is a will, there is a way. | 16:38 |
| lardman | of course :) | 16:39 |
| lcuk | I had not actually considered London via work, I am meeting a friend | 16:39 |
| villev | http://static.stara.fi/uutiskuvat/oddee_martinantatuointi.png | 16:39 |
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| lardman | 6.28am! urgh | 16:41 |
| lcuk | EEP! | 16:41 |
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| lcuk | lardman, that letter took so much effort to write. | 16:43 |
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| lcuk | I was asked years ago to make a powerpoint to explain what I want to do, I said I couldn't. :) | 16:44 |
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| milian | anyone ever seen a "failed to allocate pixmap" error when trying to poweron a remote? http://paste.kde.org/4328/ | 16:47 |
| dneary | slaine, Yeah | 16:47 |
| milian | it's btw pretty tough that poweron does not print errors if not started with -fg... | 16:47 |
| dneary | slaine, Would have been nice to make at least a small effort to enable a co-developer community to take over the maintenance of NUX | 16:48 |
| dneary | By the way, what do you think of calling the set of modules I posted Nux, setting up a wiki page & mailing list for them, and seeing what happens? | 16:48 |
| dneary | We would have OpenSuse Nux, Debian Nux, Fedora Nux... no more trademark issues! | 16:49 |
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| slaine | Unless, as was mentioned earlier, there's a team looking at a Qt/Quick port. But yes, seems weird that it's been left unloved for quiet a while | 16:49 |
| dneary | "Nux" is short for "Netbook UX" | 16:49 |
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| slaine | It'd have to drop the MeeGo prefix which is the crux of the problem | 16:49 |
| dneary | Of course, there might be problems if people wanted to do the same thing with the Smartphone UX or the PHone UX | 16:49 |
| slaine | lol | 16:50 |
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| dneary | It's the way I tell'em | 16:50 |
| dneary | :) | 16:50 |
| slaine | boom 'tish. Try the fish | 16:50 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: wouldnt it have been a better -pm@ topic? | 16:53 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: as in meego-pm@meego.com ? | 16:53 |
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| Stskeeps | yrs | 16:54 |
| slaine | hmm, wasn't aware of that one, clearly I haven't kept up as well as I thought | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | also a good post by one of the jari's that illustrates 1.2 state | 16:55 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: that's on the pm list ? | 16:58 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: yeah, the MM3 thread | 17:03 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: possibly even -releases | 17:07 |
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| Mek | packages becoming available also seems to take quite a while after building finished today on the community obs... | 17:16 |
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| Mek | X-Fade: is there maybe something wrong with packages showing up on repo.pub.meego.com? I build some stuff in the home:mkruisselbrink:branches:MeeGo.com:home:bwachter project today, but repo. doesn't know that project yet... | 18:11 |
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| X-Fade | Mek: Might be related to the api being down at that point? I see new xbmc packages etc which are published a short while ago. | 18:12 |
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| Mek | well, I don't think it was down when the first of the two packages was build, and it certainly wasn't down when the second of the two packages was build for the second time... | 18:13 |
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| Cosmo | hey vgrade, how was the meego meeting? | 18:18 |
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| vgrade | Cosmo, six of us in all | 18:22 |
| vgrade | alterago from here and -arm plus one and 3 guys from Collabora in Cambridge | 18:23 |
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| vgrade | we had N900, pandaboard and joggler running MeeGo | 18:24 |
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| vgrade | oh and some guy from Makespace in Cambrigde was eating there and came over for a chat | 18:25 |
| Cosmo | a nice selection there | 18:26 |
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| vgrade | I had problems getting the panda image up so not much of a demo | 18:27 |
| vgrade | did you manage to get the invite onto the infotubes | 18:27 |
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| lcuk | vgrade, its really handy to whip out the ideapad | 18:28 |
| lcuk | at fosdem I had mine on me | 18:29 |
| lcuk | i could just plop it down and have my office wall alongside | 18:29 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: I think that pm MM3 thread actually detailed what I wanted | 18:30 |
| slaine | "o Netbook - no features for 1.2 | 18:30 |
| slaine | - All data flows verified from UX" | 18:30 |
| Cosmo | vgrade: I emailed them but I never heard anything back | 18:31 |
| vgrade | Cosmo, thanks | 18:31 |
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| DawnFoster | MeeGo events IRC meeting starting in 30 minutes. Agenda here: http://wiki.meego.com/Events/Meetings | 18:32 |
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| vgrade | lcuk, yes, a bit more mobile than my box of demo kit, http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=106210156123415&set=o.192977094048912&theater | 18:33 |
| lcuk | wowsers! | 18:33 |
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| TSCHAKeee | holy crap | 18:37 |
| vgrade | lcuk, joggler, n900, pandaboard, netbook, 23" screen, cables | 18:37 |
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| TSCHAKeee | i'm having difficulty getting a pandaboard | 18:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | :( | 18:37 |
| lcuk | vgrade, you are going to need roadies soon! | 18:37 |
| vgrade | so did I, ordered mid November, promised delivery mod december, actual delivery 1st week Feb | 18:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | holy crap | 18:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | ok sorry, i'm repeating myself | 18:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 18:38 |
| vgrade | lcuk, good job its got wheels | 18:38 |
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| vgrade | arfoll, wifi, eth0, ssh, image uploading | 19:00 |
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| arfoll | vgrade, great work! also why are you not using btrfs for /? | 19:00 |
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| vgrade | arfoll, one small step at a time for me I'm afraid | 19:01 |
| arfoll | ehehe fair enough | 19:02 |
| vgrade | arfoll, what do I need to do? Enable in kernel and set fstype to btrfs in ks? | 19:02 |
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| arfoll | vgrade, I guess so, I'm not too sure | 19:02 |
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| arfoll | it would be nice because the we can use SSD mode in btrfs to reduce wear leveling on our USB sticks | 19:03 |
| vgrade | arfoll, ah ok, | 19:03 |
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| vgrade | arfoll, I tried that ivinfo | 19:03 |
| arfoll | vgrade, and? | 19:03 |
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| vgrade | as I recall it failed looking for lib/dri/emgd_drv_video.so | 19:04 |
| arfoll | uhm is that not provided by the EMGD rpm? | 19:05 |
| vgrade | or something similar, I did have an emgd_video.so | 19:05 |
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| vgrade | but wihout the drv | 19:05 |
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| vgrade | just checking the rpm contents now | 19:05 |
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| arfoll | well thats a shame, but either way XBMC won't compile with vaapi + opengl ES :-( | 19:06 |
| arfoll | they use pbo for vaapi rendering which isn't in opengl es | 19:07 |
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| arfoll | vgrade, i'm liking the rpmlintrc in your emgd package ;-) | 19:08 |
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| vgrade | arfoll, I wonder where I got that idea from :) | 19:10 |
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| vgrade | arfoll, image will be up in 23 mins | 19:11 |
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| arfoll | vgrade, british internet sucks ;-) | 19:12 |
| arfoll | i won't be able to test for a few hours anyways | 19:13 |
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| arfoll | vgrade, what version did you check vainfo with? Because I noticed last night that vaapi is broken in Meego 1.1 and in current it's fixed. Maybe by updating the valibs to the latest version from trunk it'll work | 19:15 |
| vgrade | arfoll, I have 50Meg down but up is shocking | 19:16 |
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| arfoll | that's not bad, but contention ratios with cable scare me... | 19:17 |
| vgrade | 11 jan trunk | 19:17 |
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| arfoll | vgrade, libva-1.0.7 in latest vs 1.0.6 for 11jan | 19:19 |
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| arfoll | i'm not sure if it makes much difference, we'll have to see! | 19:19 |
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| vgrade | arfoll, give the current build a go then if there is anything else you need in it I can do another one later on with a daily | 19:20 |
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| arfoll | vgrade, i'll see how it works and try upgrade just libva if vaapi doesn't work - don't believe there are that many changes between 11jan -> latest | 19:22 |
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| TSCHAKeee | is libva working? | 19:22 |
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| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, I did the vainfo and got file not found error | 19:27 |
| * TSCHAKeee chuckles ..hmm | 19:28 | |
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| vgrade | arfoll, image is up | 19:35 |
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| arfoll | vgrade, awesome downloading now | 19:35 |
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| vgrade | who rearranged the repos | 20:02 |
| vgrade | did I miss something | 20:02 |
| alterego | Heh | 20:02 |
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| vgrade | alterego, hi | 20:03 |
| vgrade | just rebuilding a new Joggler image and everythings moved | 20:03 |
| alterego | I hadn't noticed. | 20:04 |
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| alterego | I need to generate a new image actually, think I'll do that in a bit. | 20:04 |
| vgrade | uboot on my n900 now | 20:04 |
| alterego | Nice :) | 20:05 |
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| vgrade | really like the device the more I use it but I need to visit the optitions to get my eyes adjusted so I can see the screen | 20:05 |
| slaine | dneary: excellently put, buala bós (spelling ?) | 20:07 |
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| dneary | búla bos, I think | 20:07 |
| MeegoBoy | Knoc knock....guess who | 20:08 |
| dneary | Go raibh maith agat | 20:08 |
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| alterego | vgrade: hahah .. | 20:08 |
| slaine | dneary: bualadh bos it seems | 20:08 |
| slaine | or so I'm told here | 20:09 |
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| MeegoBoy | rumors are flying fast and furious boys! | 20:09 |
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| Ans5i | 300+ registered for meego summit @ tampere. few extra seats still left. | 20:10 |
| dneary | MeegoBoy, Did you hear the rumour that there's going to be a reset of the MeeGo project? | 20:10 |
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| dneary | MeegoBoy, Apparently Mr. Elop tried Harmattan, didn't like Qt, and decided the whole thing should be re-written in tk | 20:11 |
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| slaine | dneary: lol | 20:12 |
| andre__ | crazy times. but tk has some advantages, yeah... | 20:12 |
| dneary | Could be true... | 20:13 |
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| dneary | It's about as likely as some of the rumours flying around | 20:13 |
| iekku | i'm waiting for the rumours on Thu | 20:13 |
| slaine | this the windows phone 7 rumours ? | 20:13 |
| dneary | My bet? Eat your hat, bring out an Android phone | 20:13 |
| MeegoBoy | What do y,all think? nokia dropping meego like a sack of potatos on friday? | 20:13 |
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| iekku | wilder they get before fri | 20:13 |
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| dneary | slaine, There's a round-up somewhere. There's the Windows 7 rumour, the "move HQ to US" rumour, the WebOS rumour, the "fire all the head executives" rumour | 20:14 |
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| dneary | And the "dropping MeeGo" rumour has come up a few times | 20:14 |
| dneary | I've also heard it as a "merging MeeGo with WebOS" | 20:14 |
| slaine | right, it's hard to keep track | 20:14 |
| MeegoBoy | Heard theyre moving HQ to USA | 20:14 |
| dneary | MeegoBoy, I heard they're migrating to tk | 20:15 |
| dneary | I swear I did | 20:15 |
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| dneary | From a credible source who's worked with Nokia recently | 20:15 |
| slaine | They're probably going to announce that they're throwing in the towel with Phones and making TV's instead | 20:15 |
| dneary | slaine, Wouldn't surprise me - that's what they did for boots & tyres | 20:16 |
| mihero | dropping symbian rumour has also been | 20:16 |
| MeegoBoy | Just remember: arsi jaksi left meego for a reason... Think fellas, think hard | 20:16 |
| Ans5i | i've heard that they dropped android in meego and it runs faster than before. | 20:16 |
| slaine | So long as they don't drop the Ponies, I'll be happy | 20:17 |
| javispedro | WebOS rumour! | 20:17 |
| RST38h | what is it? | 20:17 |
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| javispedro | merge WebOS with Symbian and Windows Phone 7, call the resulting monster MeeShit. | 20:18 |
| MeegoBoy | Why d y'all think the Jaaksi dude went to HP? Simple. | 20:18 |
| Cosmo | cos he saw you coming | 20:18 |
| * javispedro quickly goes to notify Engadget on this new rumour. | 20:18 | |
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| RST38h | javispedro: Coool | 20:19 |
| MeegoBoy | Think einstein, think! Nokia and HP swapped jaaksi for skillman to produce new os....trust me | 20:19 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I suggest "Nokia licensing iOS UI to run it on top of Meego" | 20:20 |
| Matan[M] | webos sux | 20:20 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: It is just barely credible and mentions iOS, which is an important requirement for any Engadget newsitem | 20:20 |
| Matan[M] | webos was good when it named palm webos, now its webshit | 20:20 |
| TSCHAKeee | oh no, fucktard is back. | 20:20 |
| Cosmo | did someone kill the no swearing rule or is DawnFoster just out to lunch? | 20:21 |
| DawnFoster | hey | 20:21 |
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| DawnFoster | I look away for 3 minutes and look what happens :) | 20:21 |
| iekku | :) | 20:21 |
| iekku | never sleep :) | 20:22 |
| MeegoBoy | Cant wait for friday | 20:22 |
| javispedro | he started it!! | 20:22 |
| javispedro | ( ;) ) | 20:22 |
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| iekku | is there #meego-sandbox? | 20:22 |
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| Cosmo | iekku: yes but it's only for the developer's kids | 20:22 |
| dogi | :P | 20:22 |
| jarkko^ | what's more irritating swearing or constant smileys? :) | 20:23 |
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| * dogi should join then | 20:23 | |
| Cosmo | they can configure IPtables but that can't wear...nevermind | 20:23 |
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| MeegoBoy | Theres a reason boys why nokia dropped the N9...think. | 20:23 |
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| Cosmo | they had wet hands? | 20:24 |
| lpotter | troll | 20:24 |
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| Cosmo | lpotter: ah you're not familar with him | 20:25 |
| lpotter | how can nokie drop something that never existed | 20:25 |
| thiago | lpotter: moin, you're up warly today | 20:25 |
| javispedro | Number 9 is to some obscure country the same number 13 is to some occidental countries? | 20:25 |
| thiago | lpotter: even for you :-) | 20:25 |
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| lpotter | thiago: no. its usual | 20:25 |
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| thiago | at 4:25 am? | 20:26 |
| lpotter | sleep is for the week | 20:26 |
| Cosmo | lpotter: is it late at night or early in the morning? or some kinda middle ground | 20:26 |
| MeegoBoy | dont be naive folks, the n9 was in preproduction stages and then kaboom....silence...why??? They didnt like the state meego was on the said n9. | 20:26 |
| lpotter | early morning | 20:26 |
| thiago | I see MeegoBoy is back... | 20:26 |
| iekku | MeegoBoy, why you talk only to boys? | 20:27 |
| MeegoBoy | Thiago: hello mate, nice to see you | 20:27 |
| thiago | MeegoBoy: it was silence before and it's silence now. | 20:27 |
| Cosmo | shall we all just agree to ignore him here and now | 20:27 |
| MeegoBoy | Iekku: im assuming only males give a rats ass about this subject | 20:27 |
| iekku | MeegoBoy, hah | 20:28 |
| thiago | you know very well that Nokia doesn't talk about unannounced devices. So the 2010 message about meego was "wait for 2011" | 20:28 |
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| iekku | Cosmo, nice idea | 20:28 |
| alterego | MeegoBoy: the N9 wasn't even MeeGo .. | 20:28 |
| alterego | Which is more likely the reason it got scrapped. | 20:28 |
| javispedro | omg it got scrapped. | 20:29 |
| MeegoBoy | Heres the deal folks: this channel isnt for Joe Public Schmoe, its for folks like you and I with the industry knowledge and experience. Lets have an intelligent and civil discussion, shall we? | 20:29 |
| lpotter | *sigh* | 20:29 |
| alterego | Well, it didn't really. | 20:29 |
| javispedro | ( ;) ) | 20:29 |
| alterego | BECAUSE IT NEVER EXISTED! :D | 20:29 |
| javispedro | that's more like it! | 20:29 |
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| * javispedro quickly shreds the letter he was writing to Engadget and starts over | 20:29 | |
| alterego | Heh | 20:29 |
| MeegoBoy | Smile folks | 20:30 |
| alterego | What makes you think we're not? | 20:30 |
| MeegoBoy | I was at the meego conference in dublin and i heard a lot of negative talk from developers | 20:31 |
| mihero | javispedro: just copy-paste the logs and you have good sources deep inside the company | 20:31 |
| alterego | MeegoBoy: really? What were they saying? | 20:31 |
| * Cosmo bops alterego again | 20:31 | |
| Matan[M] | i like wp7 lovers :P they are rly stupid ;A | 20:32 |
| MeegoBoy | Alterego: just disinterested and indifferent in general, lack of excitement | 20:32 |
| * thiago heard a lot of good things | 20:32 | |
| thiago | but I probably got a biased opinion | 20:32 |
| alterego | Well, obviously you're not talking to the developers I talk to | 20:32 |
| thiago | and skewed sample | 20:32 |
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| DawnFoster | Let's keep it nice and drop the sexist talk about only males caring about meego | 20:32 |
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| alterego | DawnFoster: :) | 20:32 |
| MeegoBoy | Alterego: well a couple of big publishing houses | 20:32 |
| DawnFoster | reminder: http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines | 20:32 |
| alterego | MeegoBoy: they go where the users go | 20:33 |
| DawnFoster | I'm happy to ban people who don't behave :) | 20:33 |
| Cosmo | people seem to be ignoring my plan of ignoring rather than ignoring the person meationed | 20:33 |
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| MeegoBoy | DawnFoster: not neccessary mate, we're all adults here. Cheers. | 20:33 |
| Cosmo | DawnFoster: I was thinking of adding a note about english being the channel's language | 20:33 |
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| * thiago agrees with Cosmo | 20:33 | |
| DawnFoster | agree with Cosmo - please stop feeding the trolls | 20:33 |
| thiago | better go home instead | 20:33 |
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| * thiago is a Troll (capital T) and needs food, so he'll stop by the supermarket on his way home | 20:34 | |
| MeegoBoy | Trolls???? Are you folks referring to me??? Im disgusted. Why? | 20:34 |
| DawnFoster | Cosmo: feel free to add it | 20:34 |
| Cosmo | I think thiago was refering to his employer | 20:34 |
| lpotter | heh | 20:34 |
| DawnFoster | thiago: have a nice evening | 20:34 |
| MeegoBoy | Is anyone that engages in compelling and intelligent discussion a TROLL ?? | 20:34 |
| lpotter | compelling? | 20:35 |
| Cosmo | DawnFoster: I was wondering about the guy I spoke to his morning tho, english wasn't his first language and he was stuggling | 20:35 |
| MeegoBoy | Compelling | 20:35 |
| Cosmo | so maybe have an expection allowing you to speak another language in order to help someone | 20:35 |
| Cosmo | either than or quickly teach them english | 20:35 |
| lcuk | * English. | 20:36 |
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| * lbt offers to teach the americans english | 20:36 | |
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| MeegoBoy | Thats English lcuk ;-) | 20:36 |
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| Cosmo | lcuk: capitals cost extra, lbt, lol | 20:36 |
| MeegoBoy | Lol....good one cosmo | 20:37 |
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| * lpotter offers to teach the English reformed spelling | 20:37 | |
| MeegoBoy | So....who else is excited about friday? | 20:38 |
| MeegoBoy | Anybody? | 20:39 |
| Ans5i | not me because nothing new is coming. | 20:39 |
| javispedro | what happens on friday? | 20:39 |
| lbt | crackerjack! | 20:39 |
| hena | weekend | 20:39 |
| lpotter | beer drinking | 20:39 |
| dgc03052 | MeegoBoy: Well, not sure if excited is the best word.... extremely interested? | 20:39 |
| javispedro | more coding for me. but just asking. | 20:39 |
| iekku | hena and lpotter had the correct answer :D | 20:40 |
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| Ans5i | Academic kyykkä is on staturday | 20:40 |
| MeegoBoy | Im talking about the elop speech | 20:40 |
| * Cosmo gets to work on his cluster on friday | 20:40 | |
| iekku | Ans5i, so you are in tampere also? | 20:40 |
| Ans5i | i thought i might go to see that if it is not too cold. | 20:40 |
| * andre__ mumbles "ignore" again... | 20:40 | |
| Ans5i | iekku: yep | 20:40 |
| iekku | andre__, ;) | 20:41 |
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| MeegoBoy | Hopefully elops gives us a reason on friday to be excited about the mobile industry again. Too many damned iOs loverboys and pimple faced Linux geeks around these days... | 20:41 |
| berndhs | NASCAR season starts friday, its worth a look | 20:41 |
| MeegoBoy | Agree? | 20:42 |
| lpotter | I havent had a pimple in years... | 20:42 |
| RST38h | Great disappointment happensonFriday! | 20:42 |
| pixelgeek1 | lbt - lol "It's Friday, It's 5 o'clock.." | 20:42 |
| RST38h | [I mean, given the expectations, whatever Elop says on Friday will not be enough] | 20:42 |
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| Ans5i | i guess he says Developers Developers Developers and hang the phone. | 20:43 |
| * ahf only dislikes that he has to be at work so early to hear the announcement :'( | 20:44 | |
| Cosmo | "developers, developers, devel...hello? hello? damn reception" | 20:44 |
| mihero | developers talk was from opk? | 20:45 |
| ahf | no, balmer. | 20:45 |
| MeegoBoy | You gotta agree folks...i bring some much needed humor to this channel, no? | 20:45 |
| berndhs | no | 20:45 |
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| lpotter | humor? | 20:45 |
| lbt | he means humour | 20:46 |
| lpotter | heh | 20:46 |
| javispedro | Humor was already fine. | 20:46 |
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| Ans5i | elop quoted balmer at nokia world | 20:48 |
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| Stskeeps | is MeegoBoy misbehaving again? | 20:52 |
| MeegoBoy | Give an old fart a break will you? | 20:53 |
| MeegoBoy | I am not! | 20:53 |
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| MeegoBoy | Stskeeps: hello mate | 20:54 |
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| MeegoBoy | Did i ever? | 20:55 |
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| MeegoBoy | i'm fondling my n900 right now...so many promises...so many lost opportunities...sigh | 20:57 |
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| Stskeeps | MeegoBoy: yet you're ircing from a s60 device | 20:57 |
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| Cosmo | you people suck at ignoring him | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | Cosmo: problem is that if ops ignore him, he will wind up strangers instead | 20:58 |
| MeegoBoy | Stskeeps: yes my simcard is in my e71 again | 20:58 |
| Cosmo | good point | 20:58 |
| javispedro | Cosmo: it's kinda entertaining. and there's always +q (hint hint ;) ) | 20:59 |
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| Stskeeps | MeegoBoy: please read http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines | 21:01 |
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| Stskeeps | MeegoBoy: and act accordingily in your future activities | 21:01 |
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| MeegoBoy | may i ask why so much hate against me? One example why. One! | 21:02 |
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| Stskeeps | MeegoBoy: well, it's simple, you wind up people and sling around insults | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | MeegoBoy: but anyway, read guidelines | 21:03 |
| MeegoBoy | Stskeeps: insults? No. | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | Don't be a jerk: treat people with respect and consideration - no regional, racial, gender or other abuse will be tolerated,, as well | 21:04 |
| MeegoBoy | I may ocasionally speak negatively in general sense but never personally. You have to agree no? | 21:04 |
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| MeegoBoy | Yet i get insulted all the time | 21:08 |
| wmarone | you're back | 21:09 |
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| RST38h | MeegoBoy: In a nutshell: Speaking negatively is ok, as long as you have a point. Behaving like a blubbering idiot (positive or negative) is a bad idea though. | 21:09 |
| RST38h | MeegoBoy: If you suspect yourself of the latter, the best idea is to sit quietly for a while and listen to other people. | 21:09 |
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| MeegoBoy | i'm AN | 21:11 |
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| MeegoBoy | I do have access to some information | 21:13 |
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| RST38h | We are not interested in your medical information. | 21:13 |
| sivang | javispedro: lol | 21:15 |
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| MeegoBoy | medical? | 21:15 |
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| berndhs | medical is private, you dont have to reveal it | 21:16 |
| RST38h | Only to a doctor | 21:17 |
| RST38h | PhDs and Dr Whodo not count as above | 21:17 |
| berndhs | i'm a doctor, but not in the medical field :) | 21:17 |
| MeegoBoy | The insults keep coming | 21:17 |
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| vgrade | arfoll, emgd_drv_video.so was not part of package I am picking up. It was fixed in this commit http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.scm/7695 | 21:24 |
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| vgrade | arfoll, just checking if that commit has made it into trunk | 21:25 |
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| CosmoHill | vgrade: was everyone at the meeting from / around cambridge? | 21:43 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm. there's this talk about poisonous people in open source projects, but i recall reading a rather long summary of it at some point and i can't find it | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | hate when that happens.. | 21:49 |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: ah, I know what you are talking about, I read that recently | 21:50 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, this one: http://blogs.oreilly.com/conferences/2006/07/oscon-how-open-source-projects.html | 21:51 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: http://blogs.oreilly.com/conferences/2006/07/oscon-how-open-source-projects.html | 21:51 |
| CosmoHill | snap! | 21:51 |
| auke | Stskeeps: sigh, I need to get that boardname shit done :/ | 21:51 |
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| auke | <- buried | 21:52 |
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| Stskeeps | auke: seems like we also need to convince PM about the need for it, or lose the ability to decline based on the 'autodetection' argument for 1.2 :P | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | auke: +1 on sreadahead ionice btw | 21:53 |
| auke | yeah, that just made sense | 21:53 |
| auke | not that it helps much if you're on a slow SD card :) | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 21:53 |
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| auke | it's like driving a clunker with the radio out loud - you do more but aren't getting there faster :) | 21:54 |
| * CosmoHill gives auke a biscuit | 21:55 | |
| sivang | did we arrive at this blog post again? :) | 21:56 |
| sivang | *just :) | 21:57 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: I want a biscuit as well, and some keeping up appearances episodes :) | 21:57 |
| vgrade | CosmoHill, yes except me, although I'm only in Kettergin | 21:57 |
| CosmoHill | sivang: I have 'allo 'allo or Fawlty Towers | 21:58 |
| sivang | ohhh! | 21:58 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: is it leagel for you to send it to me? | 21:58 |
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| Stskeeps | not on freenode | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:58 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: keeping up appearances just hypnotizes me on my poor BBC prime that I get here | 21:59 |
| sivang | and though I've seen all of it when I was a child | 21:59 |
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| sivang | it is as relavant | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | what country are you in? | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | meh, go for Coupling. best series ever | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:59 |
| sivang | Israel :) | 21:59 |
| sivang | couling is out of this world | 21:59 |
| sivang | but literally life on mars as well | 21:59 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: we have a mediterranian version of collective of BBC 1,2,3 shows munched into one 'channel'. | 22:00 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: basically auto broadcasting loop | 22:00 |
| CosmoHill | sivang: ah, I was gonna say, a few counties around europe get bbc1 and bbc2 as part of a package | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | i get BBC entertainment lectored in polish. | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | which is not the way bbc entertainment should be enjoyed. | 22:00 |
| sivang | It does not smell, look, feel or work like europe :) | 22:00 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Another Seinfeld copycat? | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: nah, coupling's just funny | 22:01 |
| sivang | heh | 22:01 |
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| sivang | coupling is amazing | 22:01 |
| sivang | and not long ago | 22:01 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: you might like "not going out" | 22:01 |
| sivang | and black books! | 22:01 |
| CosmoHill | black books is awesome, channel 4 but still awesome | 22:01 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: I am torn between Coupling being written by Moffat and its theme | 22:02 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: The show description cries "don't download me", BUT Moffat being the script writer... | 22:02 |
| sivang | with the magnificant http://www.billbailey.co.uk/ | 22:02 |
| RST38h | sivang: thanks for reminding | 22:02 |
| ali1234 | coupling is an english copy of friends | 22:02 |
| sivang | FAR better than friends | 22:03 |
| CosmoHill | it's English, of course it's better | 22:03 |
| sivang | friends is an american kitche, no offense :) | 22:03 |
| CosmoHill | >.> | 22:03 |
| sivang | CosmoHill++++++ | 22:03 |
| sivang | :) | 22:03 |
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| sivang | RST38h: ;) | 22:03 |
| CosmoHill | channel 4 really need to stop broadcast friends...daily | 22:03 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: I even managed to get the shakespear episode of the docter ;) | 22:03 |
| CosmoHill | yep, it's on TV now | 22:04 |
| sivang | little did I know it is bound to be so amazing and his new gf is so smart | 22:04 |
| sivang | I owe my english BBC tv show literacy to some debian folks back then mind you, nothing of this really gets here. | 22:04 |
| sivang | hurray for debian-uk | 22:04 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: I managed to play BBC rave accidently. I was sitting at my keyboard and came up with something, and then it sounded familiar. I played bill's track and it sounded the same even the same octave. | 22:05 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: I just missed the 'beep' of doom | 22:05 |
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| sivang | btw, this is an *excellent* movie about cyber world | 22:06 |
| sivang | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0262826/ | 22:06 |
| sivang | french made | 22:07 |
| sivang | extraordinare ;) | 22:07 |
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| sivang | belgium actually, IIRC | 22:07 |
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| dm8tbr | sivang: how was your 'conversation' back then? | 22:16 |
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| Stskeeps | FunkyPenguin: so, does your project in some way involve qml? | 22:21 |
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| FunkyPenguin | Stskeeps, heh, sorry but no | 22:27 |
| FunkyPenguin | btw, sorry i missed you at fosdem | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | it's good, we did have plenty of people asking difficult questions about trademarks and compliance ;) | 22:27 |
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| FunkyPenguin | i was too busy selling beer at the opensuse booth :) | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:27 |
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| Stskeeps | i am looking forward to reading your blog post since i wonder wtf's up :P suspense's always horrible | 22:28 |
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| FunkyPenguin | Stskeeps, im sure you know already, but it came as a surprise to me | 22:29 |
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| Stskeeps | meh, what do i know, i'm just a nobody :P | 22:29 |
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| FunkyPenguin | hopefully get it out tonight/tomorrow - depending on work getting in the way | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | k | 22:30 |
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| Stskeeps | while we're at it, how horrible is netbook anyway with branding packages? like, how much breaks without them? | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure you had first hand experience so | 22:33 |
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| FunkyPenguin | well part of the problem is that there is no branding package | 22:49 |
| FunkyPenguin | so to de brand it, you have to manually patch half the ui stakc | 22:49 |
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| CosmoHill | if the branding could be moved into one package that would make it a lot easier to debrand | 22:50 |
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| CosmoHill | but wouldn't that mean people could just change the package and use the meego core | 22:51 |
| CosmoHill | actually from a phone point of view that would be very helpful | 22:51 |
| FunkyPenguin | CosmoHill, that would be the best way | 22:51 |
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| FunkyPenguin | also having a name for the ui that can be used | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | FunkyPenguin: ah, that's bad | 22:52 |
| CosmoHill | that's a point, never really thought about what it's named | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | FunkyPenguin: Mnux, Mhux, Mtux maybe | 22:53 |
| FunkyPenguin | having the same name for the ui/environment as the distro is basically the crux of the issue between the LF and openSUSE | 22:53 |
| FunkyPenguin | you can s/openSUSE/me ;) | 22:54 |
| * Stskeeps heads to bed | 22:54 | |
| CosmoHill | night Stskeeps | 22:54 |
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| FunkyPenguin | g'night Stskeeps | 22:55 |
| MeegoBoy | Good nite | 22:57 |
| CosmoHill | FunkyPenguin: do you think that packagers could split their packages into program and branding | 23:01 |
| dm8tbr | can we make that a compliance criterion please? ;) | 23:02 |
| CosmoHill | "branding must be in a separate package" | 23:03 |
| mikhas | wont work | 23:03 |
| CosmoHill | doens't have to be a different spec file | 23:03 |
| FunkyPenguin | CosmoHill, it should be possible, thats what happens with gnome and kde with distros | 23:03 |
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| CosmoHill | thinking about it, if you gave a .src.rpm file, when you open that it would have software.tar and branding.tar | 23:06 |
| CosmoHill | if I wanted to change MeeGo to GoMee I could swap the branding.tar file and recompile | 23:06 |
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| ni1s | does meego package the nouveau driver now adays? | 23:07 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 23:08 |
| MeegoBoy | No | 23:08 |
| ni1s | will it ever? | 23:08 |
| CosmoHill | maybe someday | 23:08 |
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| MeegoBoy | Lol | 23:09 |
| CosmoHill | it's currently down to the vendor to provide driver support | 23:09 |
| ni1s | the actual hardware vendor? | 23:10 |
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| CosmoHill | I mean, for example, if Dell ships computers with MeeGo and Nvidia graphics cards | 23:10 |
| CosmoHill | it would be down to Dell to provide the Nvidia drivers | 23:10 |
| MeegoBoy | Dell will never ship anything with anything that resembles meego | 23:11 |
| CosmoHill | FOR EXAMPLE | 23:11 |
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| ni1s | right | 23:11 |
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| MeegoBoy | How do install meego on my n900? Quick and easy please | 23:18 |
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| CosmoHill | no idea, how do you use google.com? | 23:18 |
| MeegoBoy | Any hints or special instructions from the gurus here? | 23:19 |
| CosmoHill | it's on the wiki | 23:19 |
| ni1s | there's a n900 article on the meego wiki | 23:19 |
| ni1s | yeah | 23:19 |
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| MeegoBoy | I saw it...looks time consuming | 23:20 |
| thiago_home | get the image, put it in an SD card, get the system to boot that | 23:20 |
| TSCHAKeee | sigh | 23:20 |
| CosmoHill | MeegoBoy: it will take less time than someone explaining it to you | 23:21 |
| niala1 | CosmoHill: you don't just ignore meegoboye | 23:23 |
| CosmoHill | good point | 23:23 |
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| alterego | Takes me 20 minutes to download an image, flash it to SD and boot it. | 23:24 |
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| alterego | 1.5 minutes of that is booting :D | 23:25 |
| CosmoHill | first time takes a while | 23:25 |
| alterego | Sure, not timed successive boots :) | 23:25 |
| CosmoHill | it's notsiable | 23:26 |
| alterego | Yeah, 1.5 minutes was taken from the qa-reports :) | 23:26 |
| MeegoBoy | I did that but i keep getting damn error messages and black screens...any tips? | 23:27 |
| alterego | MeegoBoy: depends on the errors | 23:27 |
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| MeegoBoy | Do i have to get shit off my sd card? music and pics and shit? | 23:28 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 23:28 |
| MeegoBoy | Ok | 23:28 |
| alterego | That is why I have two :) | 23:29 |
| berndhs | can't have enough SD cards | 23:29 |
| MeegoBoy | Pain in the a** i have 5 gigs of music on my sd card...damn! | 23:29 |
| CosmoHill | buy a new one then | 23:29 |
| MeegoBoy | Once meego is installed can i swap cards? | 23:29 |
| dm8tbr | cards are cheap | 23:30 |
| alterego | Heh, all my music and stuff is on the internal emmc anyway. | 23:30 |
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| alterego | MeegoBoy: not whilst it's running no. | 23:30 |
| MeegoBoy | I dont wanna fill up internal memory with shit | 23:30 |
| MeegoBoy | Freak! | 23:30 |
| alterego | Get a better taste in music? | 23:30 |
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| alterego | You've got to fill up the 32 gigs with something .. | 23:31 |
| alterego | Why not music .. | 23:31 |
| MeegoBoy | Is meego usable in its current state on n900? Or am i wasting my time? | 23:31 |
| alterego | Depends what you want to use it for. | 23:31 |
| CosmoHill | it won't waste as much of your time as you have wasted of ours | 23:31 |
| MeegoBoy | I want to chcek it out and get a feel for it | 23:32 |
| MeegoBoy | Hear what all the hype is about | 23:32 |
| berndhs | its not like windows :) | 23:32 |
| MeegoBoy | I know | 23:32 |
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| wmarone | meego is all about the underlying system, not the reference UI | 23:33 |
| MeegoBoy | I wanna see the os that will save nokia's ass in action, thats all. | 23:33 |
| wmarone | well if you're expecting it to sparkle in 3D, you may be disappointed | 23:33 |
| wmarone | all that has to be added later | 23:33 |
| * CosmoHill rolls eyes and goes back to tv | 23:33 | |
| MeegoBoy | i understand | 23:33 |
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| jonnor | MeegoBoy: Meego 1.1, especially handset, targets OS developers, not end-users | 23:34 |
| MeegoBoy | I know | 23:34 |
| jonnor | So don't use it if you're an end user, it will not be very nice. | 23:34 |
| MeegoBoy | Is telephony working? | 23:34 |
| alterego | Yes | 23:34 |
| alterego | MeegoBoy: I think you should just ignore this place and go hang about some where else. | 23:34 |
| MeegoBoy | Alterego: how so? | 23:35 |
| berndhs | you would probably be happier in another place | 23:35 |
| MeegoBoy | Not very helpful, are you? | 23:35 |
| alterego | MeeGo as you can use it now is good for developers, it's quite a way from being user-ready, it's not pretty and very minimal. | 23:35 |
| MeegoBoy | Ok...fair | 23:35 |
| berndhs | they shiny end-user oriented stuff is still kept private by the manufacturers | 23:36 |
| berndhs | so they can get the market release timing right | 23:36 |
| MeegoBoy | I understand | 23:36 |
| MeegoBoy | Makes sense | 23:36 |
| CosmoHill | berndhs: this is where the different branding packacges would come in handy | 23:36 |
| berndhs | yes | 23:37 |
| MeegoBoy | But so far only nokia will be releasing devices with meego no? I dont see other manufacturers jumping on board any time soon | 23:37 |
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| berndhs | there are others, I forget who they are | 23:38 |
| wmarone | a couple vendors have utilized the core on a handful of devices | 23:38 |
| CosmoHill | like LG, Nokia and HTC could have the same software with their own UI ./ branding | 23:38 |
| CosmoHill | like HTC currently do for android and WP7 | 23:38 |
| wmarone | the "Indamixx 2" tablet utilizes meego for the core OS | 23:39 |
| MeegoBoy | COULD have...big difference | 23:39 |
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| wmarone | sure, /could/. that's not the same as /won't/ | 23:39 |
| MeegoBoy | Nor the same as will | 23:40 |
| wmarone | indeed, but that's beside the point | 23:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | why the hell are we still talking to this douche? | 23:40 |
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| CosmoHill | cos I have low standards? | 23:41 |
| MeegoBoy | Keep insulting | 23:41 |
| CosmoHill | oh hey, we have 500 people in the channel | 23:42 |
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| MeegoBoy | I gotta say this is one edgy lot you people... Friday and Elop cant come soon enough with his chopping block | 23:46 |
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| CosmoHill | well you aren't an easy person to get along with | 23:47 |
| auke | MeegoBoy: please, you're talking to the wrong people in the wrong tone | 23:47 |
| CosmoHill | you're basically poking us looking for a nerve | 23:47 |
| MeegoBoy | Am i??? | 23:47 |
| wmarone | yes | 23:47 |
| thiago_home | you are | 23:47 |
| auke | MeegoBoy: you're treating developers like they are your personal end-user support "complaint department" | 23:47 |
| MeegoBoy | What are you guys??? Saints???? Or presidents of USA ??? | 23:47 |
| auke | we're developers | 23:48 |
| Mek | X-Fade / lbt : so is there anything I can do to get packages in my home:mkruisselbrink:branches:MeeGo.com:bwachter project to show up on repo.pub.meego.com? | 23:48 |
| auke | we work on meego | 23:48 |
| thiago_home | lowly developers | 23:48 |
| thiago_home | we don't get to make the decisions | 23:48 |
| MeegoBoy | ok | 23:48 |
| auke | if you would like to continue to complain, let me know | 23:48 |
| auke | and I'll remove you from the channel | 23:48 |
| auke | thanks. | 23:48 |
| auke | have a nice day, and keep it constructive. | 23:48 |
| MeegoBoy | Im not asking you to make decisions im trying to get the goddamned thing installed on n900 | 23:48 |
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| CosmoHill | auke: I saw a comic about a mass murder being made head of complaints | 23:48 |
| auke | I'll consider that a complaint. | 23:48 |
| auke | last warning. | 23:48 |
| niala1 | Mek: it's your first package? | 23:48 |
| CosmoHill | or was it Terry Pratchett | 23:49 |
| Mek | niala1: in that particular project, yes, in 5 other projects my packages used to show up fine | 23:49 |
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| Mek | niala1: supposedly it is related to the other problems the community obs was having earlier today when I build a couple of packages in that project... but later builds also don't show up | 23:50 |
| niala1 | Mek: you need only file.spe and source tar.gz | 23:50 |
| MeegoBoy | Auke: didnt know you were god | 23:50 |
| CosmoHill | it helps if your spec file is well written | 23:50 |
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| CosmoHill | I can't get my clamav.spec to compile on the OBS | 23:50 |
| * wmarone thanks auke | 23:51 | |
| Mek | niala1: I know how to build packages; the package build fine, but the publishing of the resulting packages on repo.pub.meego.com is broken. I can download the build packages via api.pub.meego.com, but that is not very helpful | 23:51 |
| CosmoHill | I still want the channel to be made secret | 23:51 |
| niala1 | upload file choose version: netbook, arm, | 23:51 |
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| niala1 | ok | 23:51 |
| CosmoHill | auke: just wait until I get a sword, there will be so much blood we could swim laps | 23:51 |
| niala1 | Mek: you could add your reppo | 23:52 |
| CosmoHill | (that came out gorier than I intended) | 23:52 |
| thiago_home | auke: thank you | 23:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | yes, thank you | 23:53 |
| * CosmoHill gives auke another biscuit | 23:53 | |
| Mek | niala1: sorry, you're not being very helpfull; there is a problem with the obs where it is not creating the actual repo for this project; it has had similar problems before, and then there was nothing a non-admin could do to fix it | 23:53 |
| thiago_home | you were more polite and patient than I would've been | 23:53 |
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| CosmoHill | thiago_home: you say that, he probably just sat down at his desk and saw the nick | 23:53 |
| niala1 | Mek: ok understand | 23:54 |
| CosmoHill | auke: thanks, productive chat may now resume :) | 23:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | do I have to publish packages on OBS for them to be seen as resolved dependencies by my other packages in my user space? | 23:55 |
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| niala1 | CosmoHill: what's wrong with your clamav.spec ? | 23:57 |
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| CosmoHill | it fails saying something about #debug | 23:57 |
| CosmoHill | %debug | 23:57 |
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