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| lardman | alterego: sorry for the slow response | 00:02 |
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| lardman | alterego: Before my N900 broke I was making an augmented reality app, the Android versions (e.g. layar) have something that might be of interest/copyable - games overlaid in certain locations | 00:03 |
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| alterego | Yeah, I'll be adding AR to Columbus in V2 | 00:04 |
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| alterego | Though it'll be better with I get a Maemo/MeeGo handheld with a compass .. | 00:05 |
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| alterego | lardman: ^ | 00:05 |
| lardman | yeah, well fingers crossed | 00:05 |
| lardman | I added a scrolling compass widget for the N900, with the sun to align against | 00:05 |
| lardman | and of course I have a Tab now, which does have a compass :) | 00:06 |
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| alterego | Heh | 00:06 |
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| alterego | Well, my MeeGo port will come before the next device from Nokia | 00:06 |
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| alterego | so maybe if I can get my hands on a cheap android with a decent screen, gps and a compass I can get meego on it and get it all at least working ^.^ | 00:07 |
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| lardman | need a stable camera framework first | 00:08 |
| lardman | for me at least | 00:08 |
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| alterego | Yes, | 00:08 |
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| ali1234 | so "packaging-tools" isn't a pattern on 1.1.2, it's a package | 00:16 |
| ali1234 | so i assume i am supposed to be using something newer | 00:16 |
| auke | sorry, I don't install them every day | 00:16 |
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| auke | you'll want the development-tools pattern I suppose | 00:17 |
| ali1234 | it is a pattern on the weekly build i had installed before (the one that didn't work) | 00:17 |
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| ali1234 | wow look at that, osc co works on 1.1.2 | 00:19 |
| ali1234 | no "unauthorized" message | 00:19 |
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| ali1234 | looks like commit works too | 00:22 |
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| slaine | yawn, stretch | 00:31 |
| slaine | right, off to the couch for a bit and then bed | 00:31 |
| slaine | catch you all tomorrow | 00:31 |
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| ali1234 | "development-tools" doesn't seem to include qmake | 00:32 |
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| ali1234 | neight does "qt-devel-tools" | 00:34 |
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| ali1234 | well autospectacle still fails but i can manually build and run the app just fine | 00:48 |
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| markus___ | hy everybody | 01:03 |
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| markus___ | I just copied the 1.1 image on a 2gb disk. inserted it into my n900 und started the flasher util. But the device just shows the nokia logo and does not boot. what could I do? | 01:04 |
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| alterego | markus___: how did you copy the image? | 01:05 |
| ljp | markus___: you need to use dd the image onto the disk and not copy thei mage to the filesystem. | 01:05 |
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| markus___ | sudo dd bs=4096 if=meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1-mmcblk0p.raw of=/dev/mmcblk0p1 | 01:05 |
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| alterego | Not p1 | 01:06 |
| markus___ | 1946157057 Bytes (1,9 GB) kopiert, 474,433 s, 4,1 MB/s | 01:06 |
| alterego | Just /dev/mmcblk0 | 01:06 |
| alterego | It's a disk image, not a partition | 01:07 |
| alterego | bbl | 01:07 |
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| markus___ | okay. will copy image again | 01:07 |
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| markus___ | I tried first with the build from yesterday which told me that there is not enough diskspace. I have a 2gb disk only as the page states :( | 01:10 |
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| markus___ | thats what I did now: sudo dd bs=4096 if=meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1-mmcblk0p.raw of=/dev/mmcblk0 | 01:19 |
| markus___ | exactely same result. it does not boot into the image | 01:19 |
| markus___ | should the flasher start the booting directly? | 01:20 |
| alterego | Yes, turn off your N900 | 01:20 |
| alterego | make sure it's not plugged into USB | 01:21 |
| alterego | run the flasher command | 01:21 |
| alterego | Then when it says waiting, plug in the N900 | 01:21 |
| alterego | Everything else should happen automatically. | 01:21 |
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| CosmoHill | bye | 01:22 |
| Raim | markus___: sometimes I had to hold the 'U' key while turning on the N900 to get it to boot the kernel | 01:26 |
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| markus____ | is there a way to check it image was copied correctly to the card? | 01:28 |
| markus____ | and if card is okay? | 01:28 |
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| jeremiah | markus____: Well, does it boot? =) | 01:36 |
| markus____ | jeremiah: No its not booting | 01:36 |
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| jeremiah | What sort of error messages are you getting? | 01:36 |
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| jeremiah | You may be able to mount the root file system first, to see if there are issues there. | 01:36 |
| jeremiah | Well, not boot, but mount. | 01:37 |
| jeremiah | markus____: Which architecture are you on? | 01:37 |
| jeremiah | x86 or ARM? | 01:37 |
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| markus____ | I can start the old system normally | 01:37 |
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| markus____ | linux mint | 01:38 |
| markus____ | kde flavour | 01:38 |
| jeremiah | So you're running Linux Mint, copying an image of MeeGo Handset to an N900? | 01:39 |
| markus____ | yes | 01:39 |
| jeremiah | And you've partitioned your SD card correctly? | 01:39 |
| markus____ | the n900 when started into old system says that filesystem on the card is not recognized | 01:39 |
| markus____ | jeremiah: hrrg. the docu didn't say anything about that | 01:40 |
| jeremiah | markus____: So I think you may not have copied over the image from your Mint system to the card completely. | 01:40 |
| jeremiah | One thing you can do is to do an md5sum of the image on your linux mint machine | 01:40 |
| jeremiah | Then compare that with an md4sum of the dd'ed image on the card. | 01:40 |
| jeremiah | If you ran out of space on your SD card, that might be the problem. | 01:41 |
| markus____ | this happend with the new image. the old one fitted on the card | 01:41 |
| jeremiah | But there are lot of things that can go wrong. Heck, its embedded linux development. | 01:41 |
| jeremiah | You're in the big leagues now. :) | 01:41 |
| markus____ | damn ;) | 01:41 |
| jeremiah | markus____: How do you know the new image is complete? | 01:42 |
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| jeremiah | Did you check the md5sums? | 01:42 |
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| markus____ | this is what the dd command wrote: "1946157057 Bytes (1,9 GB) kopiert, 324,539 s, 6,0 MB/s" | 01:43 |
| markus____ | I can mount the card on my linux system | 01:43 |
| jeremiah | Ah, okay. | 01:44 |
| jeremiah | So we're getting somewhere. :) | 01:44 |
| jeremiah | When you mount it, what do you see? | 01:44 |
| jeremiah | Do you see two partitions? | 01:44 |
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| markus____ | there is a whole linux directory structure in there | 01:44 |
| * Mousey thinks . o O ( angels! ) | 01:44 | |
| jeremiah | w00t! | 01:45 |
| * jeremiah knocks the halos off the angels. | 01:45 | |
| markus____ | yes | 01:45 |
| markus____ | there are 2 partitions | 01:45 |
| jeremiah | So, the partition that has uImage, MLO and that junk is your boot partition. | 01:45 |
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| jeremiah | That is a VFAT file system. (If you care). | 01:46 |
| jeremiah | And that is what "boots" the kernel and then hands off to the OS, which is MeeGo | 01:46 |
| markus____ | /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 24415 1562500 83 Linux | 01:46 |
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| jeremiah | Something is wrong in your boot partition. | 01:46 |
| markus____ | /dev/mmcblk0p2 24417 28320 249856 83 Linux | 01:46 |
| jeremiah | Hmm, that boot partition looks okay. | 01:46 |
| jeremiah | Do you have a uImage? | 01:46 |
| markus____ | uImage? | 01:47 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 01:47 |
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| jeremiah | Can you do this, 'mount -o loop /dev/mmcblck0p1 /mnt/foo' ? | 01:47 |
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| jeremiah | You may have to create the /mnt/foo dir | 01:48 |
| jeremiah | 'sudo mkdir /mnt/foo' | 01:48 |
| markus____ | yes | 01:49 |
| markus____ | contains a lot of folders as well | 01:49 |
| jeremiah | is there a file called "uImage" ? | 01:50 |
| jeremiah | That is your kernel. | 01:50 |
| markus____ | there is a kernel into /boot | 01:50 |
| markus____ | vmlinuz-2.6.35.3-10.3-n900 | 01:50 |
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| jeremiah | Ah, okay | 01:51 |
| jeremiah | That'll work. :-) | 01:51 |
| Raim | but that would not be used as the kernel is supplied by flasher | 01:51 |
| markus____ | damn. so what now? | 01:51 |
| jeremiah | Raim: Really? How do you know that? | 01:51 |
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| Raim | jeremiah: as markus____ told above he was using this approach | 01:52 |
| markus____ | thats what I use: http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900 | 01:52 |
| markus____ | wrong image? wrong flasher? | 01:53 |
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| jeremiah | Nope. Looks like you did the right thing markus____ | 01:53 |
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| jeremiah | You should have used a kernel that looked like this: meego-handset-armv7l-n900-*-vmlinuz-*-n900 | 01:54 |
| jeremiah | I think Raim is saying that the uImage kernel is not the one supplied by the flashing method. | 01:54 |
| jeremiah | And he/she is right. | 01:54 |
| jeremiah | But it doesn't matter what name the kernel has, just if it is the complete image. | 01:55 |
| jeremiah | And the only way to know that is to check first. | 01:55 |
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| jeremiah | Did you see this kind of information when you copied your image? | 01:55 |
| jeremiah | 475136+1 records in | 01:55 |
| jeremiah | 475136+1 records out | 01:55 |
| jeremiah | 1946157057 bytes (1.9 GB) copied, 214.382 s, 9.1 MB/s | 01:55 |
| markus____ | yes | 01:56 |
| jeremiah | That is to say, did the number of records match? | 01:56 |
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| markus____ | yes. the numbers match | 01:56 |
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| Raim | even if the image isn't complete, he should at least get some output from the kernel up to the stage where it tries to mount the root fs | 01:56 |
| markus____ | 475136+1 Datensätze ein | 01:57 |
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| markus____ | 475136+1 Datensätze aus | 01:57 |
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| jeremiah | Raim: How are you so sure? | 01:57 |
| jeremiah | Raim: He may have a missing bootloader for example. | 01:57 |
| Raim | jeremiah: I've seen that myself as I tried to boot with the flasher but without a SD card inserted :) | 01:58 |
| markus____ | the flasher should send the kernel itself I guess. As i have to give the nam ein the command | 01:58 |
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| jeremiah | Well, my understanding is that the flasher sends the entire image. | 01:59 |
| jeremiah | So the kernel is included. | 01:59 |
| jeremiah | But I don't know the details of the Handset flasher internals. | 01:59 |
| markus____ | just found out that the second partition on the disk is swap | 02:00 |
| jeremiah | heh | 02:00 |
| jeremiah | okay. | 02:00 |
| jeremiah | There is our problem. :-) | 02:00 |
| jeremiah | There is no file system. | 02:00 |
| jeremiah | (although the kernel should boot) | 02:01 |
| markus____ | the first partition has kernel and everything | 02:01 |
| jeremiah | But there aren't any init scripts | 02:01 |
| Raim | markus____: disconnect your N900, then start the flasher, it will say "Suitable USB device not found, waiting.", then plug in the N900, hold down the 'U' key and switch it on | 02:02 |
| markus____ | maybe the flasher is too new for the image? | 02:02 |
| jeremiah | No, the flasher is from Maemo days. | 02:02 |
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| jeremiah | I doubt that's the problem. | 02:02 |
| jeremiah | Follow Raim's advice. =) | 02:03 |
| markus____ | Raim: this does not flash the n900? I guess I can't even make calls with meego yet :D | 02:03 |
| Raim | markus____: if you use "flasher-3.5 -l" it will only load the kernel once | 02:05 |
| markus____ | Okay. I am trying | 02:05 |
| Raim | markus____: hmmm, for me the instructions are wrapped on the page. notice the "-b" on the next line. did you use that, too? | 02:05 |
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| markus____ | Raim: heureka | 02:07 |
| markus____ | the -b did the trick | 02:07 |
| Raim | :D | 02:07 |
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| markus____ | damn | 02:07 |
| jeremiah | w00t | 02:07 |
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| jeremiah | Raim: thanks for your help. ;) | 02:07 |
| Raim | yeah :) | 02:07 |
| fellu | :D | 02:07 |
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| alterego | Is there any idea of how much more life MTF has? | 02:14 |
| jeremiah | What does MTF stand for? | 02:16 |
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| alterego | jeremiah: meego touch framework | 02:25 |
| jeremiah | alterego: So you're worried that mcompositor is replacing libmeegotouch? | 02:25 |
| jeremiah | Which may be right. All I know is that mcompositor is buggy. | 02:26 |
| alterego | They're different things entirely. | 02:26 |
| Robot101 | mcompositor is part of MTF | 02:26 |
| alterego | Qt/Qml is replacing meego touch | 02:26 |
| Robot101 | the framework includes both the window manager/compositor (mcompositor) and the widget set (libmeegotouch) | 02:26 |
| jeremiah | Ah. Well, there you go. | 02:27 |
| alterego | I'm talking about libmeegotouch :) | 02:27 |
| Robot101 | QML is likely to get more investment at the top level from Nokia because libmeegotouch doesn't exist on Symbian | 02:27 |
| jeremiah | Sounds like Robot101 knows what he/she is talking about. | 02:27 |
| Robot101 | so it doesn't fit the QtMobility / Qt Quick / Qt everywhere story | 02:27 |
| jeremiah | But then, he/she is a robot. | 02:27 |
| alterego | Robot101: so it's not being removed? | 02:28 |
| Robot101 | the whole MeeGo handset UX is based on it at the moment, so I imagine it will stick around for a bit | 02:28 |
| alterego | Hrm | 02:28 |
| alterego | Yes, that's what I figured. | 02:29 |
| Robot101 | I'm not saying I'd choose it for new app developments right now though, QML is a lot easier and will get better faster, IMO | 02:29 |
| Robot101 | easier to port onto different platforms / devices / verticals with QML too | 02:29 |
| Robot101 | as it forces a nice model / view separation :) | 02:29 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, QML is getting a lot of attention. People say it is easy to use and allows for quick development. | 02:29 |
| Robot101 | jeremiah: it does, we've done some projects with it, and demos, and had a great time | 02:30 |
| alterego | Well, my app currently is Qt and QtMaemo5. I want to write a new frontend that replaces the Maemo 5 with Qml | 02:30 |
| jeremiah | Far out. Good to know. | 02:30 |
| alterego | I've had a lot of fun with Qml too :) | 02:31 |
| alterego | The good point about what I'm planning is I don't need Qt Components. | 02:31 |
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| alterego | Because I'm trying to create my own UX in my app. | 02:31 |
| alterego | But I currently depend on Qt widgets for buttons, menus and dialogs. I plan to replace those with my own Qml stuff. :) | 02:32 |
| vgrade | alterego, hi | 02:37 |
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| alterego | vgrade: aloha :) | 02:38 |
| vgrade | alterego, did you check the ARM email | 02:38 |
| alterego | I did, so I guess we have to wait until next week? | 02:39 |
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| vgrade | I hope he can make the meet | 02:41 |
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| alterego | vgrade: yeah | 02:43 |
| alterego | I'm guessing you got the mail I cc'd you in on to Collabora in Cambridge? | 02:44 |
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| lbt | http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/01/meego-community-development-apps.html | 03:31 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: ^^ | 03:33 |
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| Psi-Jack | Is there a way to get the Myzone "appointments" times to 12-hour, instead of 24-hour? Everywhere else I have it setup for 12-hour, but it's still showing up 24 hour in there. | 07:19 |
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| hlzxy | anybody know what's mean in http://wiki.meego.com/How_to_run_a_translation_team : Process for joining an existing team. what I should do first? | 08:42 |
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| mkaran | Hi, I am trying to build meego source code using the command $ sudo build --repository http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.80.15.20110118.5/core/repos/ia32/packages/ --arch i686 cpio-2.11-2.12.src.rpm | 09:00 |
| mkaran | I am getting the below error | 09:00 |
| mkaran | RPMLINT report: =============== 1 packages and 0 specfiles checked; 0 errors, 3 warnings. Traceback (most recent call last): File "rpmlint.py", line 342, in <module> File "rpmlint.py", line 146, in main File "rpmlint.py", line 206, in runChecks File "SpecCheck.py", line 196, in check File "SpecCheck.py", line 201, in check_spec File "Pkg.py", line 145, in readlines IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/tmp/rpmli | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | why aren't you setting up an OBS? | 09:00 |
| mkaran | I am trying to create local build setup | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | yes, and i think you will be saner if you set up a OBS :) | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | that can do this for you | 09:02 |
| mkaran | I am referring the link http://wiki.meego.com/Local_Build_Without_OBS_Needed | 09:02 |
| mkaran | I am planing to port webm into meego | 09:02 |
| mkaran | so I need to create meego build setup | 09:02 |
| mkaran | Could you please tell me how can I create local build setup | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | that's mostly a one-off thing, you're building more stuff. set up a OBS and have less pain. http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | that's what everyone else is doing :P | 09:03 |
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| mkaran | Stskeeps: I have taken source code from git://gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/gst-plugins-base.git | 09:06 |
| mkaran | Could you please tell me is there any other repository for Meego | 09:07 |
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| mkaran | because I have seen latest gstreamer version is 0.10.31 | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | there's the source RPMS / OBS contents which is authorative | 09:07 |
| mkaran | but in the git repository, it is 0.10.25 | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | you're also looking at maemo-multimedia, not meego :P | 09:09 |
| mkaran | ok | 09:10 |
| mkaran | Thanks a lots Stskeeps | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | but set up a OBS, really, save yourself :) | 09:11 |
| mkaran | I am trying to create OBS setup | 09:12 |
| mkaran | Please me I have without OBS setup, Now if I try for OBS setup,, is there any problem | 09:13 |
| mkaran | or I have uninstall with OBS setup | 09:13 |
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| mkaran | Please tell me | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | you set up an OBS in a virtual machine | 09:15 |
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| Stskeeps | or on real hardware, replacing the existing OS | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | it's a network appliance | 09:15 |
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| mkaran | ok | 09:17 |
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| wassupnari | i'm currently modifying duihome source, | 09:18 |
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| wassupnari | and in the plaindesktopbackgroundextension project, this class is inherited by QObject | 09:18 |
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| wassupnari | then, how can i get an mouse event? | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | well, doesn't it export some kind of view itself? | 09:19 |
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| wassupnari | well, i'm a newbie on Qt, so.. i couldn't understand this source code right now. | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | i'ma a newbie too :P | 09:22 |
| wassupnari | :) | 09:22 |
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| wassupnari | but i guess it uses pixmap data and by using GConf, it display .png image on the homescreen | 09:23 |
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| wassupnari | I just added ::event() function in the Plain~Extension class, but.. it doesn't get an event. :( | 09:24 |
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| ScriptRipper | moin Stskeeps | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | moin | 09:39 |
| * Stskeeps has some coffee | 09:40 | |
| ScriptRipper | mee too :) | 09:40 |
| Tm_T | can I have some coffee too? | 09:40 |
| * Stskeeps passes Tm_T the coffeepot | 09:41 | |
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| Tm_T | thanks <3 | 09:42 |
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| Stskeeps | Nokia N900 hardware adaptation meeting -now- in #meego-meeting | 10:00 |
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| amjad | great, after 3 months of filing a residence permt application, finnish immigration wants me to restart the process again | 11:12 |
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| Stskeeps | amjad: immigration offices are crap in general :/ | 11:15 |
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| amjad | agreed :), now have to go to embassy again on monday and resubmit the docs and hope it goes through this time | 11:17 |
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| hena | classic | 11:17 |
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| andre__ | I gave up registering myself. | 11:17 |
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| amjad | my joining date according to employment contract was 1.12.2010 :) | 11:19 |
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| hena | never heard any probs from the immigration office in finland before | 11:21 |
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| amjad | hena: there is always the first time :) | 11:22 |
| hena | except in tax related issues... ;) | 11:22 |
| hena | dunno how the system really works myself | 11:22 |
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| hena | german people at previous place worked 2 years here and 6 months in german, or something like that | 11:23 |
| amjad | no problem for EU nationals | 11:23 |
| amjad | i am non-EU citizen :) | 11:23 |
| hena | oh yeah, obviously since there's the new free working anywhere act of eu :) | 11:24 |
| hena | i'm still in pre-eu mindset... | 11:24 |
| amjad | :) | 11:24 |
| hena | these take a while to set in... ;) | 11:24 |
| thiago | immigration offices are like that, unless you have some special circumstances or know a backdoor in | 11:24 |
| thiago | here in Norway, we fall under the "specialised worker" clause, so we have special treatment | 11:25 |
| hena | my wife got in quite ok, for obvious reasons | 11:25 |
| amjad | well i was hoping my employer in helsinki, would have better idea | 11:25 |
| thiago | and after the police lost a few applications and cost us one or two good people, they have been helpful | 11:25 |
| hena | but i don't her ever even exchanging much papers | 11:25 |
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| amjad | but looks like the hr and me are in same boat regarding visa | 11:25 |
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| hena | *remember | 11:26 |
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| amjad | well the problem is that hr of the company applied for me in "regular employment" , and when the application came to immigration for processing, they replied back that i should apply in "highly skilled worker clause" and fill the formms again | 11:27 |
| hena | ah | 11:28 |
| hena | that's prolly your benefit ;) | 11:28 |
| hena | (or looks better in paper) | 11:29 |
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| hena | but that would be too french :p | 11:29 |
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| amjad | :) | 11:29 |
| amjad | well i was hoping to be in helsinki by jan end , now not sure how much long it will take | 11:30 |
| hena | umm, so you can't even come before the paperwork? | 11:30 |
| hena | do you need it for your visa or something? | 11:31 |
| amjad | well i can come as a tourist, but i need a work permit to work there | 11:31 |
| hena | i thought you could even work for a while | 11:32 |
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| amjad | only for EU nationals, i am non-EU :) | 11:32 |
| hena | ah, ok | 11:32 |
| hena | so euist | 11:33 |
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| nazgee | are apps from /etc/xdg/autostart started with meego or root privilleges? | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | meego | 13:01 |
| nazgee | thx | 13:01 |
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| niala1 | hello | 13:15 |
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| brankom | Hi. Anyone managed to get network going on an Acer Aspire One D255? | 13:18 |
| alterego | brankom: what kind of NIC does it have? | 13:19 |
| brankom | alterego: Attansic Technology Copr. Device 2060 (rev c1) - seems to work after a reboot now. | 13:20 |
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| brankom | If I face any more problems, I'll try to investigate it a bit and report a bug , just bought the netbook ;) | 13:20 |
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| alterego | brankom: these things are usually resolved in the forums, so try searching there. | 13:23 |
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| brankom | alterego: I will. I already ran into some posts on the net regarding this issue, so I might be of some help at least in debugging and testing. | 13:24 |
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| Stskeeps | wmarone: out of curiousity, have you tried out QML yet? | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | err. | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | wassupnari: | 13:35 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: I missed the meeting this morning :( Completly forgot. | 13:37 |
| alterego | My Calendar should have reminded me | 13:37 |
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| nazgee | how to make a QML application run on top of duihome, with .desktop files? I'd like my QML application to run automatically on startup, and give the user chance to close it, and reveal casual handset desktop | 13:39 |
| nazgee | nay ideas? | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | nazgee: autostart it? | 13:39 |
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| nazgee | [Desktop Entry] Exec=/usr/bin/finfc X-Moblin-Priority=Low OnlyShowIn=X-MEEGO-HS; | 13:40 |
| nazgee | this does not seem to work - app is visible in ps aux, but it is not displayed | 13:40 |
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| nazgee | nevermind, I helped myself ;] | 13:49 |
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| leinir | Yay! Best kind of help :) | 13:49 |
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| alterego | We're not using modest in meego are we? | 14:04 |
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| Stskeeps | thank god no | 14:05 |
| sivang | modest actually quite improved even from pr1.2 | 14:05 |
| sivang | it works well for me now that my 3G data provider stopped to play around | 14:05 |
| sivang | I mean, starting with 1.2 | 14:06 |
| * sivang is quite happy with it | 14:06 | |
| sivang | what the email client/infra than in meego? | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | qmf based, prolly | 14:06 |
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| alterego | Evolution backend though? | 14:07 |
| sivang | I think so | 14:08 |
| alterego | Cool | 14:08 |
| sivang | or maybe not, it is probably in the architecture page | 14:08 |
| alterego | I'll have a look in a bit. | 14:08 |
| alterego | bbiab | 14:08 |
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| kavacha | hey does anyone have experience having sbox and osc installed at the same time | 15:15 |
| kavacha | s/sbox/scratchbox | 15:15 |
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| Stskeeps | kavacha: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building#Co-existing_with_Scratchbox | 15:16 |
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| Kaadlajk | arm and armeb names have changed to qemu-arm and qemu-armeb | 15:20 |
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| kavacha | Stskeeps and Kaadlajk : Thanks !! all working again | 15:27 |
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| nazgee | ok, it seems i did not help myself good enough | 15:33 |
| nazgee | i still can't get my QML application to run on top of standard meego desktop | 15:34 |
| nazgee | i can see it in ps aux | 15:34 |
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| nazgee | i can see it's log, but it is not displayed | 15:35 |
| thiago | handset? | 15:36 |
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| Stskeeps | nazgee: -fullscreen? | 15:37 |
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| nazgee | yes | 15:37 |
| nazgee | is fullscreen bad? | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | shouldn't be.. qmlviewer? | 15:37 |
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| nazgee | it's a qt app, that runs qml inside it | 15:38 |
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| nazgee | thiago: yes, handset | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | nazgee: does it show in task switcher? | 15:38 |
| nazgee | yes | 15:38 |
| nazgee | eermmm | 15:38 |
| nazgee | it is visible in ps | 15:38 |
| nazgee | i can see it in uxlaunch log being launched | 15:38 |
| nazgee | it definitely runs | 15:39 |
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| thiago | nazgee: there were some bugs with mcompositor that made non-MTF apps not show | 15:39 |
| nazgee | when i launch it from cmd-line | 15:39 |
| nazgee | it runs fine | 15:39 |
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| nazgee | but i can't have it run manually | 15:40 |
| nazgee | and i do not want to do some dirt hacks with init.d scripts | 15:40 |
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| nazgee | it would be great if i could solve it with .desktop file in autostart dir | 15:40 |
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| nazgee | crap, should I set DISPLAY variable somehow or what? | 15:42 |
| nazgee | (it's obvious that I have to, when i ran it from cmdline) | 15:43 |
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| ScriptRipper | ping lbt | 15:55 |
| lbt | pong ScriptRipper | 15:55 |
| ScriptRipper | hi, how are you? | 15:55 |
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| lbt | pretty good | 15:56 |
| lbt | realising we really need *much* better OBS monitoring | 15:56 |
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| ScriptRipper | and much better bug fixing for open bugs | 15:57 |
| ScriptRipper | hi thiago | 15:57 |
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| ingwa_ | Hi | 16:14 |
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| ingwa_ | How are translations generally handled in meego? | 16:14 |
| ingwa_ | gettext? | 16:14 |
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| jeremiah | ingwa_: Good question. I think there is some info on the wiki about it, I know there is a team that handles internationlization so if one of them is here they'll be able to answer. | 16:18 |
| ingwa_ | I just need a very general answer | 16:18 |
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| andre__ | ingwa: http://wiki.meego.com/Localization_team ? | 16:23 |
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| ingwa_ | andre__: thanks | 16:32 |
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| bigbrovar_ | I am surprised to find meego does not have a twitter page or does it? | 16:35 |
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| Stskeeps | meegocom | 16:35 |
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| slaine | bigbrovar: what target, handset or netbook ? | 16:38 |
| bigbrovar | slaine: just a general twitter page. or does it have a separate one for handset and netbook? | 16:39 |
| slaine | the MyZone panel hooks into twitter and displays a mosaic of your received tweets | 16:39 |
| slaine | you can then go to the status panel and type in tweets and see a scrollable list | 16:40 |
| slaine | that's on the netbook | 16:40 |
| slaine | meegocom app on handset i believe | 16:40 |
| bigbrovar | slaine: do u run meego on a netbook? | 16:43 |
| slaine | yup | 16:43 |
| bigbrovar | last time I tried was with moblin (some 2 years back) and was impressed by it then | 16:43 |
| bigbrovar | I am sure things have improved a lot more since | 16:43 |
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| Hq` | anyone using the latest weekly build QEMU image? | 16:52 |
| Hq` | I'm unable to get the UI running | 16:53 |
| Hq` | I can run qemu and ssh into it, but uxlaunch fails | 16:53 |
| Hq` | libEGL fatal: DRI2: failed to authenticate | 16:54 |
| Hq` | (from .xsession-errors) | 16:54 |
| niala1 | Hq, xhost + maybe? i don't know | 16:55 |
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| Hq` | but I can't use xhost when X is not running, right? | 16:57 |
| Hq` | it's "unable to open display" | 16:57 |
| niala1 | xhost + allow X host to your qemu image | 16:59 |
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| Hq` | oh, right | 17:01 |
| niala1 | uxlaunch need X. qemu use X from your linux distri | 17:02 |
| Hq` | still getting the same error | 17:04 |
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| niala1 | libEGL = opengl ? need accelerated video card? | 17:05 |
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| Hq` | I have an AMD card | 17:05 |
| Hq` | an older qemu image did work through mad remote | 17:06 |
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| niala1 | ahh ok if an older image work and you change nothing, do a bugzilla. | 17:08 |
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| Hq` | not yet | 17:12 |
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| sergiusens | Hq`: not running it but interested to know if that last build solves the problem when running on the latest ubuntu | 17:16 |
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| slaine | with zypper, how do I list the available patterns ? | 17:42 |
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| slaine | ah ok, just don't give pattern any params | 17:49 |
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| dneary_ | lbt, ping? | 18:01 |
| dneary_ | slaine, Howdy | 18:01 |
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| slaine | dneary_: hey | 18:01 |
| dneary_ | slaine, You said "bugzilla's my crazy metric" - what did you mean by that? | 18:01 |
| slaine | I can judge how crazy I am based on how many P1 Blockers keep appearing | 18:03 |
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| Psi-Jack | Interesting. MeeGo uses btrfs by default? | 18:16 |
| mwichmann | yes | 18:16 |
| Psi-Jack | Pushin' that envelope with it, eh? heh | 18:17 |
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| mwichmann | it's actually a little frustrating for "multi-boot" setups because you end up with basically incompatible distros unless you do work | 18:17 |
| Psi-Jack | Eh. I personally don't dual-boot my netbook, so I'm okay there. heh | 18:17 |
| mwichmann | (just a personal rant) | 18:17 |
| thiago | Psi-Jack: on netbook only | 18:18 |
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| thiago | on handsets and tablets it's probably ubifs or something else | 18:18 |
| Psi-Jack | heh, hmmm. | 18:18 |
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| toninikkanen | for ssd's it could maybe be NILFS ? or is that project still going on? :) | 18:23 |
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| Dariusz | Hello | 18:37 |
| Dariusz | I have a question -> I got a WeTab and I wan't to run a qml application on it, can anyone point me to some how-to ? | 18:37 |
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| toninikkanen | i don't have a wetab but does it have qmlviewer ? | 18:38 |
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| Dariusz | the problem is that it doesn't | 18:38 |
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| mwichmann | toninikkanen: brtfs choice is actually mainly because of ssds and other non-rotating storage, afair | 18:39 |
| Dariusz | I have a few qml files (this is my app) and I would like to launch it there | 18:39 |
| lbt | dneary_: pong | 18:39 |
| andre__ | Dariusz, http://wetab.mobi/developers/ ? | 18:39 |
| alterego | Dariusz: if it has Qt 4.7 then write a small viewer app to load your qml | 18:39 |
| toninikkanen | i thought btrfs was optimized especially for spinning metal storage, which may be overengineering for ssd's, but i don't realy know too much. | 18:39 |
| timoph | IIRC it's based on MeeGo 1.0 and it had Qt 4.6 | 18:39 |
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| timoph | I could be wrong though | 18:40 |
| TuOki^ | download Qt 4.7 yourself compile it and run then run qmlviewer? | 18:40 |
| TuOki^ | -run | 18:40 |
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| Dariusz | as a maemo build ? | 18:41 |
| Dariusz | cause the WeTab has Intel Atom inside I think | 18:41 |
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| toninikkanen | can you find qt 4.7 installable from zypper ? | 18:42 |
| Dariusz | good point - checking that | 18:43 |
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| Dariusz | libqtcore4 is already installer - that's a good sign I think | 18:45 |
| toninikkanen | but it's likely version 4.6 | 18:46 |
| Dariusz | installed* | 18:46 |
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| Dariusz | ok - silly me | 18:47 |
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| Dariusz | zypper install qt-qmlviewer | 18:47 |
| toninikkanen | ahh that sounds promising! | 18:48 |
| Dariusz | it works - nice | 18:48 |
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| dneary_ | lbt, I hope you didn't mind my off-list comment on your post | 19:09 |
| dneary_ | I really did put effort into reading it, but I just wasn't sure at the end what questions specifically needed answering, and what work needs doing | 19:10 |
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| dneary_ | lbt, The executive summary covering open questions, actions and resources required would have been useful to me | 19:12 |
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| lbt | dneary_: I rarely mind private emails | 19:21 |
| dneary_ | lbt, Hope you don't mind the same thing on IRC either :) | 19:21 |
| lbt | it could have done with an exec summary ... but it took me 3 weeks to write what I wrote :) | 19:22 |
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| dneary_ | I could tell! | 19:22 |
| dneary_ | ;) | 19:22 |
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| lbt | I was procrastinating too long | 19:22 |
| lbt | so I just said I'm not sleeping 'til it's sent :) | 19:22 |
| lbt | and I figured a blog post and email is a good start and it can be pulled apart onto the wiki | 19:23 |
| lbt | X-Fade is helping with that too ... so feel free to help garden the wiki around it | 19:24 |
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| * lcuk smiles at seeing my N900 getting started guide. | 19:59 | |
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| Psi-Jack | I'm trying to get the Japan scim to work. Anyone by chance know how? I've gotten Japan Kana to work, but that's not really what I want. | 20:29 |
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| kaushik | is the touchscreen works on all netbook applications in MeeGo 1.1? | 21:27 |
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| steinex | hi | 21:27 |
| steinex | does Meegos mail application support watching other Folders than INBOX? | 21:27 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: trying to parse your post | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:36 |
| lbt | :) | 21:37 |
| lbt | it's for discussion ... please discuss | 21:37 |
| kaushik | what is the difference between mcompositer and mutter? are they any different from just being Window Manager | 21:38 |
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| Stskeeps | first initial thought is "we need to seperate apps and surrounds", as those are two very different challenges | 21:39 |
| lbt | yes - I intended that | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | and discuss those seperately | 21:39 |
| lbt | *nod* | 21:39 |
| lbt | I almost did the first section as a different post | 21:39 |
| lbt | but the policy and QA are similar | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | apps is the 'open source' app store, surrounds is well, meego surrounds - what might go in, what might go out | 21:40 |
| lbt | yep | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | of meego, that is | 21:40 |
| lbt | but... then you have Apps-extra :) | 21:40 |
| lbt | ie App using surrounds | 21:40 |
| lbt | as many of those in Extras do | 21:41 |
| alterego | What do you mean by "surrounds"? | 21:41 |
| lbt | hehe read the post :) | 21:41 |
| lbt | http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/01/meego-community-development-apps.html | 21:42 |
| RST38h | Why not simply mark Meego-compliant apps as such on submission? | 21:43 |
| RST38h | By automatically checking their dependencies? | 21:43 |
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| alterego | Looks interesting, I'll read it in a bit. | 21:44 |
| lbt | RST38h: yes.... not a problem | 21:44 |
| RST38h | i.e. why have a separate repository for the Meego-compliant apps? | 21:44 |
| lbt | prevent inadvertant linking... it's 'pure' | 21:45 |
| RST38h | And, in the web interface or in the app manager, you can denote compliant appls with a little cute Meego logo (that people will of course completely ignore after a while) | 21:45 |
| lbt | it's certainly arguable :) | 21:45 |
| RST38h | lbt: Oh, you won't prevent that by making separate repos | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: so, what i would do is to start at frontend (app store), mark out what features we need, and then use that requirements sheet to model the backend | 21:46 |
| RST38h | lbt: But you * | 21:46 |
| RST38h | lbt: But you *may* prevent it by keeping a separate repo for Meego's core dev packages | 21:47 |
| alterego | Will we have a donation infrastructure? | 21:47 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: And may I also suggest a requirement for the front end to be *lightweight* and suitable for small 800x480 screens? | 21:48 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Because a mobile app store that you cannot browse from your mobile is a nonsense | 21:48 |
| alterego | It's something that is increasingly being discussed in #maemo | 21:48 |
| lbt | RST38h: it's not an app, it's an API | 21:48 |
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| lbt | alterego: I'd like one | 21:48 |
| RST38h | lbt: Mmmm. | 21:48 |
| alterego | I'd be willing to do a Qml apps installer :) | 21:49 |
| RST38h | Why only donations and not a payment system with donation option? | 21:50 |
| wmarone | was there ever a decision on whether software in the community repositories that actually used the repos like they should were "Compliant"? | 21:50 |
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| RST38h | Donation = Download [+Pay], Paid = Pay + Download | 21:50 |
| alterego | RST38h: sounds od to me | 21:50 |
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| alterego | good .. | 21:50 |
| RST38h | wmarone: Yes | 21:51 |
| McPels1 | can i install meego on Nokia N9? | 21:51 |
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| alterego | McPels1: you mean the device that doesn't exist? | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | do you have one? if not, no | 21:51 |
| RST38h | wmarone: And I think Intel people insisted on the stricter compliance definition (i.e. app depends only on core Meego packages) | 21:51 |
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| wmarone | RST38h: so requiring extras apps to bundle non-core libraries? | 21:52 |
| RST38h | wmarone:essentially yes | 21:52 |
| McPels1 | alterego: Sorry! I mean N8! | 21:52 |
| wmarone | bleh, no point in having a repository or package management then | 21:53 |
| alterego | McPels1: then no | 21:53 |
| lbt | wmarone: you can have MeeGo-compliant or MeeGo-extra ... which do you prefer? | 21:53 |
| RST38h | wmarone: Which pretty much kills the "compliance" thing for most open source developers, but not much to do about it | 21:53 |
| lbt | Surrounds is about making the latter | 21:53 |
| McPels1 | alterego: Ahan! Tnx! | 21:54 |
| RST38h | lbt: BTW, can Meego-extra packages depend on each other in your model? =) | 21:54 |
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| lbt | RST38h: yes, but that's kinda the point at which the common bit goes into surrounds | 21:54 |
| ionphoenix | what evdev version is meego1.1? | 21:55 |
| lbt | unless it's one 'app' depending on another | 21:55 |
| RST38h | lbt: ah, ok | 21:55 |
| lbt | The key to Surrounds is QA and release management | 21:55 |
| RST38h | lbt: So Surrounds is basically a separate area for non-user/* apps | 21:55 |
| wmarone | RST38h: inclusion of the extras repos is still not "compliant but optional," correct? | 21:55 |
| RST38h | wmarone: correct | 21:55 |
| ionphoenix | im totally stuck with my touchscreen in exopc..can somebody help..i did follow the steps and xorg.conf but fail | 21:55 |
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| lbt | RST38h: mmm | 21:56 |
| lbt | no | 21:56 |
| lbt | more - user-maintained apps | 21:56 |
| alterego | lbt: so, surrounds is shared libs, and apps is apps | 21:56 |
| RST38h | wmarone: afaik, in Meego proper there is no provision for Extras | 21:56 |
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| alterego | lbt: what about app plugins? | 21:56 |
| wmarone | right, and that was driven home by Intel | 21:56 |
| lbt | Surrounds is more about 'community managed' | 21:56 |
| lbt | Apps is "developer managed" | 21:56 |
| RST38h | wmaron: there is compliant and non-compliant, and if you require some weird non-core stuff you are non-compliant | 21:56 |
| RST38h | lbt: And what if a isingle developer maintains something from surrounds? | 21:57 |
| lbt | RST38h: that's where policy comes in :) | 21:57 |
| alterego | There was a discussion about basing QA on Ovi QA process, that could be applicable here yes? | 21:57 |
| lbt | what level do we want - there's a suggestion that there should be at least 2 | 21:57 |
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| alterego | (sorry, in maemo extras we've been talking about it) | 21:58 |
| lbt | alterego: yes... I propose we evolve maemo-extas into Apps | 21:58 |
| RST38h | lbt: I think you are adding unnecessary policies and divisions here | 21:58 |
| alterego | lbt: hows the maemo extras obs stuff coming along? | 21:58 |
| lbt | RST38h: possibly ... | 21:59 |
| ionphoenix | hello..which evdev ver is meego 1.1 for netbook? | 21:59 |
| RST38h | lbt: Think: is there a practical reason to make a difference between Extras and Surrounds? | 21:59 |
| lbt | alterego: not top priority ... I'd like to get someone to help complete Fremantle | 21:59 |
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| lbt | RST38h: yes | 21:59 |
| RST38h | And what is it? | 21:59 |
| alterego | Are there any other ecosystems out there with models that work we can look at? | 21:59 |
| RST38h | alterego: Ubuntu | 22:00 |
| lbt | RST38h: did you read the post? (if you don't mind me checking :) ) | 22:00 |
| lbt | alterego: not really... the issue is that MeeGo isn't a distro | 22:00 |
| RST38h | lbt: I did, and it is a very long and analytical post | 22:00 |
| alterego | lbt: I'd like to help, but I'm yet to get to grips with obs. Is there a document/wikipage that's discussing what needs to be done for fremantle obs? | 22:00 |
| lbt | RST38h: OK .. :) | 22:00 |
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| RST38h | lbt: But I would still like to ask for a practical reason to keep Surrounds separate from Extras | 22:01 |
| lbt | RST38h: do you mean Maemo-Extras and Surrounds or MeeGo-Apps and MeeGo-Surrounds? | 22:01 |
| RST38h | Meego-* | 22:01 |
| alterego | I have an app which I build for fremantle, and will be starting to port to meego ths weekend. | 22:01 |
| lbt | RST38h: they are separate | 22:02 |
| alterego | So I'm very interested in obs for this :) | 22:02 |
| lbt | RST38h: oh, sry ... misparsed | 22:02 |
| lbt | Surrounds needs to be adopted by a community team | 22:02 |
| lbt | Apps are 'best efforts' | 22:03 |
| alterego | How about a click from community obs into apps? | 22:03 |
| alterego | So a developer can promote their community obs builds to meego apps? | 22:03 |
| lbt | alterego: OK ... join the http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Task_Forces Build Fremantle on the OBS | 22:03 |
| RST38h | Ah ok | 22:03 |
| alterego | lbt: thx | 22:04 |
| lbt | alterego: yes... exactly | 22:04 |
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| RST38h | BUT, what does "being adopted by community team" gives you in practical terms? | 22:04 |
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| RST38h | You still do not become Meego-compliant | 22:04 |
| alterego | RST38h: dedicated QA? | 22:04 |
| lbt | RST38h: the team should QA it and fix it as normal distro Maintainers | 22:05 |
| RST38h | alterego: Based on our current Maemo experience, how much value is that? | 22:05 |
| lbt | Surrounds is *almost* a distro | 22:05 |
| alterego | RST38h: we don't have it in maemo | 22:05 |
| lbt | I'd actually like Surrounds to *be* the MeeGo distro in time | 22:05 |
| RST38h | alterego: Exactly. And do we suffer from not having it? :) | 22:05 |
| alterego | RST38h: No, but would you say we've hit critical mass? | 22:06 |
| RST38h | lbt: Ok, so Surrounds in actually the unofficial part of Meego distro maintained by certain group of willing people apart from corporately standardized main body? | 22:06 |
| alterego | I guess also, non-community oriented developers will look to ship to Ovi et al over a MeeGo communit repo | 22:06 |
| lbt | and how did apps in Diablo fare during the upgrade to Fremantle alterego? | 22:07 |
| RST38h | alterego: not really | 22:07 |
| lbt | RST38h: yes | 22:07 |
| alterego | lbt: they didn't really :D | 22:07 |
| RST38h | alterego: you hit critical mass when serious security/stability issues start popping up with Extras apps every week or so | 22:07 |
| RST38h | alterego: And we are LONG way from that :) | 22:07 |
| lbt | alterego: and that's the point | 22:07 |
| RST38h | alterego: Hell, we are long way from that even with Extras-Devel | 22:08 |
| lbt | we'd like to ensure Surrounds evolves to track weekly releases of MeeGo | 22:08 |
| lbt | *and* evolution of the packages in it | 22:08 |
| RST38h | lbt: Ok, this much is clear. Maybe calling Surrounds with a more precise name is in order? | 22:08 |
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| RST38h | lbt: Meego-Community-Edition for example | 22:10 |
| lbt | RST38h: yep - part of the discussion | 22:10 |
| RST38h | lbt: This way there will not be misunderstanding | 22:10 |
| lbt | ah, but it's not really that | 22:10 |
| RST38h | lbt: Certainly sounds this way | 22:10 |
| alterego | RST38h: indeed | 22:10 |
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| alterego | That was to the earlier comment about extras devel. | 22:11 |
| lbt | RST38h... the first 'edition' of surrounds may only have 3-4 libraries in it | 22:11 |
| alterego | You're basically saying surrounds is to be a continuous integration area for trunk builds? | 22:11 |
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| RST38h | lbt: That is fine, every fork started somewhere :) | 22:11 |
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| lbt | RST38h: I nearly said "..... yet" | 22:12 |
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| lbt | so alterego if you'd like to help organise the fremantle thing then http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office#The_Task_Force_Approach_aka_You_Are_Not_Alone | 22:16 |
| lbt | do some management stuff - tasks, issues, plans, docs | 22:17 |
| * alterego reads | 22:17 | |
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| alterego | Aww, they stopped the T-Shirt incentive. | 22:18 |
| alterego | That was my idea :( | 22:18 |
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| lbt | it's not stopped ... you just didn't do anything about it | 22:19 |
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| lbt | so you're "inactive" | 22:19 |
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| alterego | Well, I guess not pushing it more. But I thought Dawn was doing that stuff :) | 22:19 |
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| lbt | community means "get your finger out" | 22:21 |
| * lbt needs to contribute patches to meego-fortune | 22:22 | |
| alterego | Heh | 22:22 |
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| alterego | Okay, so OBS fremantle, there hasn't been any progress? | 22:23 |
| alterego | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Task_Forces/Build_Fremantle_on_the_OBS | 22:23 |
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| lbt | alterego: correct ... the maemo community needs to get a finger out too | 22:24 |
| alterego | I guess I should start reading up on OBS then. | 22:25 |
| lbt | well.... there's a tutorial about somewhere | 22:25 |
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| ScriptRipper | good evening lbt | 22:44 |
| lbt | hi ScriptRipper | 22:44 |
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| ScriptRipper | I think MLS and me had found bugfix | 22:44 |
| ScriptRipper | we will see it | 22:45 |
| ScriptRipper | I will prepare new version tomorrow with your patch | 22:45 |
| ScriptRipper | and then we give it a good testrun | 22:45 |
| lbt | thanks | 22:46 |
| ScriptRipper | both flies catched in one | 22:46 |
| ScriptRipper | ;( | 22:46 |
| ScriptRipper | ;) | 22:46 |
| ScriptRipper | :D | 22:46 |
| lbt | hehe | 22:47 |
| ScriptRipper | I told you I wanted to have at least one of this killer done this week | 22:47 |
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| ScriptRipper | Scotty: "I always tell them I need 3 days instead of one. Then I do it in one day. Thats why I am a legend" | 22:48 |
| ScriptRipper | :D | 22:48 |
| ScriptRipper | you can learn a lof from him .... | 22:49 |
| ScriptRipper | lbt, Scotts are your neighbours, arent they? | 22:49 |
| lbt | they are | 22:49 |
| lbt | they gave us haggis and whisky | 22:50 |
| lbt | I prefer the haggis | 22:50 |
| ScriptRipper | I knew such a thing would come .... | 22:50 |
| ScriptRipper | we have to drink soon again something together... | 22:50 |
| lbt | :D | 22:50 |
| lbt | meegoconf 2011 ... SF | 22:51 |
| ScriptRipper | you are right | 22:51 |
| ScriptRipper | I did not yet book, like last time.... | 22:51 |
| ScriptRipper | always late | 22:51 |
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| auke | who is Randolph Dohm and why is he making me laugh? | 23:01 |
| lbt | hehe... | 23:01 |
| leinir | auke: i'm not entirely sure, but i was sort of wondering the same thing... though without the laughing, mind | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if we'll find out that stephen elop is subscribed to meego-dev ;p | 23:02 |
| auke | it's a sign that MeeGo is a mature project: we now have an incomprehensible person posting mind-boggling rants | 23:03 |
| lbt | auke: so.... I finally got around to proposing Surrounds... | 23:03 |
| lbt | auke: nah, we've had the "Computer Scientist" for ages | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | auke: what about George Ingram? | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | what lbt said | 23:04 |
| leinir | Hehe, yeah - but he was around since the beginning, so that doesn't really count ;) | 23:05 |
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| lbt | leinir: nah.. he popped up at around 6 months. Maybe this is the 12 month incarnation | 23:06 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: bot vm? | 23:06 |
| leinir | Really? Hmm... i thought i remembered some posts further back :) | 23:06 |
| lbt | leinir: I coulda deleted them :) | 23:07 |
| leinir | nah, that doesn't really solve anything :) | 23:07 |
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| lbt | it stops me from being rude in public | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i will not build ssh keys after having a beer | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: tomorrow | 23:07 |
| lbt | *g* | 23:07 |
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| lcuk | lbt, are you also heading over to fosdem this year? | 23:08 |
| lbt | auke: I'd appreciate your thoughts on my community-ml post | 23:08 |
| lcuk | lbt, link? | 23:09 |
| lbt | lcuk: nah ... too many trips around then ... including Portland for a week | 23:09 |
| lcuk | roger | 23:09 |
| lbt | http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/01/meego-community-development-apps.html | 23:09 |
| lbt | (followed by a week in whistler !! ) | 23:09 |
| lcuk | cool (literally) | 23:10 |
| lcuk | i wonder what sort of device works best out on exposed skifaces where you need gloves on | 23:10 |
| lbt | yeah ... hopefully I won't end up in hospital after 1hr like last time | 23:10 |
| lbt | lcuk: the finns I met in a bar told me .... | 23:10 |
| lbt | your nose! | 23:11 |
| lcuk | heh yeah I saw that | 23:11 |
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| lbt | One more reason to hate capacitative | 23:11 |
| lcuk | no, its not to be hated | 23:11 |
| lbt | women with long nails ? | 23:12 |
| lbt | you ever watched them try to use one? | 23:12 |
| lcuk | i just want resistive to work too | 23:12 |
| lcuk | oh yeah | 23:12 |
| lcuk | bluenails woman from NW last year did it | 23:12 |
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| lcuk | blue nails lady, differences in ui expectations | 23:23 |
| lcuk | n8 demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR0duOeaId8 | 23:23 |
| lcuk | x3 demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVJ552BNeKY | 23:23 |
| lcuk | this lady should be testing our devices, | 23:23 |
| lcuk | we should never idly scratch at the screen like idiots and try to work out what it does. | 23:23 |
| lcuk | ftr that is ;) | 23:23 |
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| alterego | Hah | 23:24 |
| leinir | That is what we like to call "monkey testing" - hammer away at the UI until it breaks ;) | 23:25 |
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| lcuk | leinir, the x3 and most nokia feature phones I know can handle that sort of use. | 23:26 |
| lcuk | because you press a key and action occurs | 23:26 |
| lcuk | take away that expectation and we are left with many wtfs and cussing | 23:26 |
| takeiteasy | lbs: can I get account for OBS build service? | 23:27 |
| takeiteasy | lbt? | 23:28 |
| CosmoHill | takeiteasy: tell him your meego.com usernamre | 23:29 |
| Jaffa | takeiteasy: And some indication of what you'll be doing. | 23:29 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade_ can do it too | 23:29 |
| lbt | mmm? | 23:30 |
| lbt | takeiteasy: yep... just making sure you're doing opensource work :) | 23:30 |
| lbt | app-like things.... and as CosmoHill says, what's your username | 23:30 |
| lbt | hey Jaffa | 23:30 |
| takeiteasy | i work for a mobile firm in dallas and may play porting/burning OS it to moblie phones: don't have account yet would like to use username as 'takeiteasy' | 23:31 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: hey | 23:32 |
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| CosmoHill | takeiteasy: you'd need an account on meego.com first, also you're only allowed to build open source software on the Communityy OBS | 23:33 |
| takeiteasy | ok let me create then thanks | 23:33 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: finally posted :) | 23:34 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, can we figure out a way to add in-line hyperlinks for MWKN? | 23:35 |
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| * qgil reads meego-dev. Am I supposed to comment on how Germans talk about WWII? | 23:37 | |
| hena | no | 23:38 |
| hena | :) | 23:38 |
| CosmoHill | qgil: ja? | 23:39 |
| qgil | Kein weg ;) | 23:40 |
| qgil | ( = 'no way') ;) | 23:40 |
| niala1 | CosmoHill: du sprecht Deutsch ? | 23:40 |
| CosmoHill | nein? | 23:40 |
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| hena | kleinbus | 23:40 |
| qgil | Na ja, ein bisschen | 23:40 |
| lcuk | are there any binary speaking channels :P | 23:40 |
| CosmoHill | 0 | 23:41 |
| qgil | lcuk: 1 | 23:41 |
| lcuk | :D | 23:41 |
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| hena | meego-bigendian | 23:42 |
| CosmoHill | I read that as bi-endian and started wondering | 23:44 |
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