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| vgrade | * time for a drink in #meego-bar | 00:20 |
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| csdb | lbt, ping | 00:25 |
| lbt | csdb: pong | 00:26 |
| csdb | any chance of that BOSS documentation showing up soon ? | 00:26 |
| csdb | There's a guy that works with me that would have some time now to give it a spin | 00:27 |
| lbt | it's in next sprint I think | 00:27 |
| lbt | should have been this one but it's not | 00:28 |
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| csdb | what's a sprint and how long does it go for ? :-) | 00:28 |
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| lbt | 2week work period | 00:29 |
| lbt | some new fangled thing | 00:29 |
| sivang2 | hey lbt | 00:29 |
| lbt | o/ | 00:29 |
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| csdb | ok | 00:29 |
| csdb | thanks | 00:30 |
| lbt | csdb: do you have a bug logged? | 00:30 |
| * sivang2 is going to use tutorials to create a python package of his latest python key value store for meego | 00:30 | |
| sivang2 | finally, I have time :) | 00:30 |
| lbt | sivang2: I'll be around most of the weekend too | 00:30 |
| sivang2 | lbt: very very good | 00:31 |
| sivang2 | lbt: all I need to upload and build onto the pub.build.meego.com is the account you opened me right? | 00:31 |
| lbt | yes | 00:31 |
| csdb | bug #11104 | 00:31 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11104 nor, Undecided, ---, david, WAIT, BOSS instalation instructions don't work | 00:32 |
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| alterego | Can anyone point me to how to setup a data connection with ofono? | 00:33 |
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| mwichmann | I'm having real problems being polite about this | 01:18 |
| mwichmann | for netbook at least, we've selected evolution and chromium as key apps | 01:18 |
| mwichmann | these things are utter and complete garbage, why in the world would we promote these things? | 01:19 |
| mwichmann | they make us look terrible | 01:19 |
| Myrtti | evolution is crap, on that I agree | 01:19 |
| CosmoHill | I'm not to sure what you're talking about | 01:19 |
| mwichmann | evolution doesn't have settings for things it needs to, it's slow and bloated, and it basically doesn't work | 01:20 |
| mwichmann | chromimum is just an interface I'm not used to, I've got less excuse for whaling on it | 01:20 |
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| mwichmann | but it seems I'm unable to use right-mouse for selecting, which makes me unhappy with it | 01:21 |
| andre__ | and the missing settings are...? | 01:21 |
| * alterego doesn't mind evolution | 01:22 | |
| alterego | Chromium is okay for a web browser too, though I'm more of a firefox man myself | 01:22 |
| mwichmann | connection stuff, plus any real information | 01:23 |
| alterego | Anyone know how I get connman working with ofono data connection? | 01:23 |
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| mwichmann | Error while Scanning folders in "IMAP server..." | 01:23 |
| mwichmann | but there are no details available | 01:23 |
| andre__ | CAMEL_DEBUG=all ? | 01:24 |
| lupine_85 | not sure what there is except for chromium | 01:25 |
| mwichmann | missing: can't set a port number | 01:25 |
| lupine_85 | erm, evolution I mean | 01:25 |
| alterego | We promote fennec too, which is pretty awful imo .. | 01:25 |
| * lupine_85 uses it at work and home and it "just works" | 01:25 | |
| alterego | I'd take chromium over fennec | 01:25 |
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| mwichmann | eh, "just works" is wonderful, except when it doesn't | 01:26 |
| lupine_85 | and I am throwing probably half a million emails at it | 01:26 |
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| lupine_85 | stupid high-volume mailing lists | 01:26 |
| mwichmann | for both of these, when "it doesn't", you're hosed, there seems to me nothing sane you can do | 01:26 |
| andre__ | mwichmann, mail.server.foo:portnumber ? | 01:26 |
| lupine_85 | if you say so | 01:26 |
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| mwichmann | I don't know, after failing a few times (evo) it seems to have disabled the account, and I can't do anything to get it starting agian | 01:27 |
| mwichmann | looks like delete/recreate ... I hope | 01:28 |
| andre__ | so provide terminal output. | 01:28 |
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| lupine_85 | whenever it's failed for me (non-evolution), it's provided little messages you can pop up from the status bar | 01:29 |
| lupine_85 | *shrug* | 01:29 |
| lupine_85 | erm, non-meego | 01:29 |
| lupine_85 | I fail | 01:29 |
| alterego | I can't believe no one can help me with setting up a data connection O_O | 01:29 |
| alterego | Someone must have got it to work. | 01:29 |
| lupine_85 | do we have any idea what the first commerical meego phone will be? | 01:30 |
| alterego | It'll be Nokia | 01:30 |
| alterego | I can't see any other (major) manufacturer doing anything after they see it working. | 01:31 |
| alterego | That and there's still a lot of work to be done before it's production ready for ARM handsets and intel handsets are a while off aswell imo | 01:31 |
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| lupine_85 | ja | 01:33 |
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| lupine_85 | I've got a year left on my N900's contract, anyway | 01:34 |
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| alterego | Heh, hopefully there'll be more options by the end of this year :) | 01:34 |
| lupine_85 | hopefully there'll be something polished for me to migrate to | 01:34 |
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| alterego | tbh, I don't care so much about polish as the ability for people to fix issues when vendors don't. | 01:35 |
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| luke_dirtwalker | exit | 01:41 |
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| uusirant | just wanted to say thanks, I think I got the OBS up and running now :) good job on the 10 steps | 02:10 |
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| irieKEN | I just scrolled back through the messages... mwichmann: I think that the reason for Evolution on Meego is purely for the MS Exchange support. | 02:14 |
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| alterego | That and what's better? | 02:16 |
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| irieKEN | mwichmann: It's not better. Its bloated and feels old. | 02:21 |
| irieKEN | oops, put mwichmann's name on there by accident. | 02:21 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Just installed the dual-boot on my n900. It's slower than I would have expected, but I guess handset images are bound to be slower than netbook. | 03:11 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I'm running "zypper update," so maybe that will help. | 03:12 |
| bef0rd | n900 images are still slow yep | 03:13 |
| bef0rd | what release are you using? | 03:13 |
| Alison_Chaiken | bef0rd, I got 1.1.0.0.20101101.3 following wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot | 03:20 |
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| bef0rd | I see, thats 1.1 release. 1.2 builds are a bit faster I think :P | 03:26 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | bef0rd, I see that after update things are working much better if still a bit slow. | 03:57 |
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| * hena hates gui libs | 11:50 | |
| Stskeeps | then you'll love qml | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:50 |
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| hena | software should be written for console from the point one | 11:51 |
| hena | and then just add the stupid gui | 11:51 |
| hena | efl, qt, gtk, motif, tk , asldfghasdfg | 11:52 |
| lbt | libascii | 11:52 |
| lbt | wtf | 11:52 |
| lbt | but then of course you need to look at vt100 emulation | 11:52 |
| lbt | and if you need the ibm charset... well. | 11:53 |
| lbt | what's a guy to do? | 11:53 |
| Bostik | hena: I disagree, in my opinion most real functionality of any larger kind should be in a library and CLI/GUI frontends just written on top | 11:53 |
| Bostik | but then again I'm a freak | 11:53 |
| hena | well, yeah | 11:53 |
| hena | engine, interface | 11:53 |
| hena | cli is just too simple to count | 11:54 |
| hena | but porting between gtk, efk, qt for every ap is just too frustrating | 11:54 |
| Myrtti | qml is nice | 12:06 |
| Myrtti | I feel less like an idiot nowadays because I know the bare basics | 12:07 |
| hena | Retrieving repository 'MeeGo SDK' metadata [error] | 12:08 |
| hena | sigh | 12:08 |
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| araujo | hena, qml! | 12:09 |
| * araujo can't sleep | 12:09 | |
| hena | ok, ok, i get it :) | 12:10 |
| * hena takes a look | 12:10 | |
| hena | ok, went to wikipedia, first few words, qml is a javascript based... | 12:12 |
| araujo | not the whole story | 12:13 |
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| hena | prolly not, they just should use a different word there, no marketing skills at all :D | 12:13 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:50 |
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| wazd | Hello everyone | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | lo wazd :) | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | how was your trip? | 17:07 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: heya :) | 17:08 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: amazing, just amazing :) | 17:08 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: Finland has more advanced hospitals in small townish village than Moscow :D | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:10 |
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| RST38h | mooo, wazd | 17:10 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: and all people seems to be pretty happy with life. | 17:11 |
| wazd | Rst38h, heyhey :) | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: ah, then you couldn't possibly have gone to finland ;) | 17:12 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: though I didn't make it to Espoo or Helsinki cause I was too far from it, about 300km | 17:12 |
| wazd | Stskeeps, well, I definitely felt more comfortable there than here :) | 17:13 |
| KevinB | In France it is said that we should take Finland as an example for school, health, and in general for the quality of life there | 17:14 |
| wazd | Stskeeps, it's cool to live your life without expecting to be fucked up every second | 17:14 |
| GAN900 | Ehehe | 17:15 |
| GAN900 | Yeah, that's generally a good way to go about it. | 17:15 |
| wazd | Gan900, not that easy in Russia though :) | 17:15 |
| GAN900 | So I hear. | 17:16 |
| GAN900 | There's an awful lot of inertia behind that many years of corruption. | 17:16 |
| RST38h | wazd: So, any job offers from a certain Espoo company? | 17:17 |
| wazd | And, btw, as I thought, Finland has pretty much Moscow prices for booze :) | 17:17 |
| wazd | Rst38h: not quite, just a holiday | 17:18 |
| lcuk | hey wazd \o | 17:19 |
| wazd | Rst38h: I want to finish gPodder and OMWeather for meego to at least show some active stuff | 17:19 |
| lcuk | how did you find out about the hospitals? traditional Finnish welcome? | 17:19 |
| wazd | Lcuk: heyhey :) | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: ;) | 17:19 |
| thp | wazd: btw, any new mockups? ;) | 17:20 |
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| RST38h | wazd: you have got themes too | 17:20 |
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| kahless | hi all | 17:21 |
| wazd | Lcuk: nah, my friend got an injury riding snowboard and I was his translator :) | 17:21 |
| wazd | Thp: yeah, I'm currently working on them. | 17:21 |
| lcuk | wazd, eek, hope he is ok | 17:22 |
| wazd | Thp, first I wanted to use "swipe from the screen border" but then I reallized that you can't perform it on lenovo | 17:23 |
| wazd | Thp, basicaly same gesture that microb uses to bring copy/paste button | 17:23 |
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| wazd | Lcuk: no, nothing serious :) | 17:23 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, gestures make me physically gesture | 17:24 |
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| wazd | Oops | 17:25 |
| lcuk | hey wazd, thanks btw :) | 17:25 |
| lcuk | liqtorch on the ideapad lights up a whole room when its fully white ;) | 17:25 |
| wazd | Lcuk: hehe :) | 17:27 |
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| thp | wazd: gestures only for the advanced featuers, right? | 17:36 |
| thp | "features" | 17:36 |
| RST38h | HINT: Screw the gestures | 17:37 |
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| wazd | Thp: sure | 17:38 |
| wazd | Thp: like "quickly bring up now playing" :) | 17:38 |
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| lcuk | wazd, how are you pondering multiple resolutionness | 17:40 |
| lcuk | ie on a larger (ideapad) device, you dont need so much hidden or needing special ways to access | 17:41 |
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| wazd | Lcuk: oooh, let it be surprise for ya :) | 17:41 |
| lcuk | well that won't be a surprise for me, I have been thinking multi res for a while ;) its making sure you are thinking about them thats important :P | 17:42 |
| wazd | Lcuk: oh I will :b | 17:42 |
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| wazd | Thp: have you checked that game btw? :) | 17:44 |
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| hena | is it just me, or does meego netbook eat battery... | 18:55 |
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| hena | it's just me i guess | 18:57 |
| CosmoHill | it eats batteries | 18:58 |
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| hena | just feels like my batterylife has gone down since ubuntu, but powertop says otherwise | 18:59 |
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| cheetah | hello~,i have patched the qtmobility's libQtMultimediaKit to support sendout gstreamer audio spectrum datas ,how can i feedback to its official. | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | cheetah: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/pages/QtContributionGuidelines i assume | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | we send the patch straight to qt mobility | 19:18 |
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| cheetah | thanks Stskeeps. i''ll try it | 19:21 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: know any good way to list x11 visuals? | 19:34 |
| javispedro | not from head, I do not have a xlsvisuals app at least | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:35 |
| Cheetah | x11 visuals? what exactly meanings | 19:35 |
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| Stskeeps | trying to chase down Warning: EGL suggested using X Visual ID 33 (ARGB0888) for EGL config 1 (ARGB8888), but this is incompatable | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:36 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: who is printifing it? Driver, or a client's "sanity check"? | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: qt | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/1464025 | 19:39 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: not x11 "windows"? | 19:40 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: why does your X11 server have GLX? Is this x86? | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: yes, in weekends i'm free to do whatever :P | 19:43 |
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| javispedro | heh | 19:43 |
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| javispedro | might Qt code fail to read the alpha value of a visual? that sounds impossible. | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it doesn't sound right | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | i must have something wrong on xorg side | 19:45 |
| javispedro | glx visuals are not read same way plain visuals are, so glxinfo could be lying | 19:45 |
| javispedro | unfortunately I have no trivial app listing visuals around | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | how would i list Xorg extensions? | 19:47 |
| javispedro | read the log | 19:47 |
| javispedro | =) | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 19:48 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't see Composite there, that might be why... | 19:48 |
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| ali1234 | Stskeeps: glxinfo | 19:51 |
| ali1234 | oh, it was said | 19:52 |
| ali1234 | are you sure that "X Visual ID 33" isn't in hex? | 19:53 |
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| Stskeeps | fairly sure, it's not in the list then | 19:55 |
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| javispedro | it might be a xrender problem | 19:56 |
| javispedro | iirc corex11 has no idea about alpha visuals | 19:56 |
| javispedro | so maybe qt is falling back because it cannot use xrender for some reason? | 19:57 |
| javispedro | heh | 19:58 |
| Cheetah | i have to go off and sleep,Good Night | 19:58 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: see http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/staging/blobs/3aabc92c72bdd9f7e7bc67dd22dae203033e958a/src/gui/egl/qegl_x11.cpp#line93 | 19:58 |
| javispedro | QT_NO_XRENDER defined means alpha = 0 | 19:58 |
| javispedro | (first google result :) ) | 19:59 |
| Cheetah | All:bye | 19:59 |
| javispedro | cya Cheetah | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: i'd assume we don't have that enabled though | 19:59 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: xdpyinfo will list visuals =) | 20:10 |
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| javispedro | however, as it will use core x11 there is no alpha info | 20:10 |
| javispedro | also extensions | 20:11 |
| javispedro | this should also list them, along with what xrender says http://pastebin.com/VkMXNe7D | 20:12 |
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| javispedro | (link with -lXrender -lX11) | 20:12 |
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| javispedro | the sad thing is that this rings a bell, but I cannot recall.. | 20:13 |
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| javispedro | aaa | 20:14 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: is this nvidia? | 20:14 |
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| Stskeeps | no, worse, gma500 :P | 20:15 |
| javispedro | aw | 20:15 |
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| Stskeeps | what was the nvidia cause? | 20:15 |
| javispedro | the bell it rang was that on older nvidia propietary drivers you had to enable a xorg config setting | 20:15 |
| javispedro | http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.09/README/appendix-b.html | 20:16 |
| javispedro | "AddARGBGLXVisuals" | 20:16 |
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| javispedro | "ARGB GLX visuals are enabled on X servers new enough to support them when the Composite extension is also enabled." | 20:16 |
| javispedro | but no idea about poulsbo | 20:16 |
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| LinuxUser | i try to start the meego sdk: http://pastie.org/1464193 but there is nothing popping up like in the wiki described: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Configuring_QEMU_runtimes | 20:19 |
| LinuxUser | anyone could help me? | 20:19 |
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| funky | I have an aspire one d250 and the wifi doesn't work out of the box | 20:29 |
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| Stskeeps | for future reference, this problem seems to go away when setting DRI on (even if DRI2 is on) | 20:30 |
| funky | how can it be ? this distro is supposed to be used on netbooks, and this netbooks is one of the most common | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | funky: is it broadcom wifi? | 20:30 |
| funky | yes | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | complain to broadcom that the wifi driver is closed source :) | 20:30 |
| funky | it uses ssb module, which comes with 2.6.30 onwards | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | ah, sb | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | ssb | 20:31 |
| funky | yup, but it seems that it hasn't been compiled | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | well, nothing stops you from enabling it | 20:32 |
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| funky | how, modprobe doesn't find it | 20:33 |
| funky | i should compile it | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | yes, the code is available for rebuilding | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 20:34 |
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| funky | which package manager does meego use? | 20:35 |
| funky | i know it's rpm-based, but there is no yum, and I'm not much into rpm stuff | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | zypper | 20:36 |
| funky | thank you | 20:37 |
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| funky | Stskeeps: is zypper the way to upgrade meego? I mean, I broke jolicloud because I did a dist-upgrade from aptitude | 20:38 |
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| lcuk | step 1 of the packaging/repo changes looks good. consolidation of the UX repositories is great for sanity! :) | 23:20 |
| lcuk | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-packaging/2011-January/246421.html | 23:20 |
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