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| david__ | is there anybody help me? I would like to make a obs build server. currently I have installed openSUSE on my computer. I think OBS is running well. but how do i build meego in my local obs server?? | 03:30 |
| david__ | could you let me know about it? | 03:30 |
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| smoku | david__, are you really want to build whole meego? it will take ages... | 03:40 |
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| hlzxy | I also want something about the source code ,as I downloaded all source code , what I could do for it | 04:53 |
| hlzxy | anybody can tell me something about it | 04:55 |
| thiago | tell you what? | 04:59 |
| SineOt | if you need someone to tell you about the source code, you might not really be in a position to actually need the source code :p | 05:00 |
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| hlzxy | em,maybe, I load the source code first,and want to make them ,but failed, and OBS appeared to me ,of course I use it build the rpm of the meego system ,and so I want to know the role of those source code | 05:11 |
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| hlzxy | as I see ,build the meego system with obs is a only way ,I think some of those code can not be built to rpm because of no spec file, so how we modify them and put it into the image | 05:16 |
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| comawhite | anyone know when MeeGo 1.2 will be released? | 05:59 |
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| Aparna | comawhite - its expected to come out in April | 06:06 |
| comawhite | that's a long time :( | 06:06 |
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| * comawhite wonders when the first meego phone comes out | 06:07 | |
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| Aparna | comawhite - meego follows a 6 monthly release cycle | 06:08 |
| comawhite | right | 06:08 |
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| Aparna | comawhite - u may want to check this http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.2 | 06:21 |
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| comawhite | Aparna, thank you | 06:38 |
| comawhite | how can I install Meego SDK on a non-n00buntu distro like Gentoo? | 06:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | comawhite: i'd probably get alien or something and retrieve the packages | 06:55 |
| timeless_mbp | (actually, i'd use rpm2cpio, but whatever) | 06:55 |
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| comawhite | timeless_mbp, is there any link on how to do this? | 06:56 |
| timeless_mbp | how to use rpm2cpio? | 06:56 |
| comawhite | comawhite: i'd probably get alien or something and retrieve the packages | 06:57 |
| comawhite | lemme see if I have rpm2cpio in the repo | 06:57 |
| comawhite | I don't have rpm2cpio but I do have rpm2targz | 06:58 |
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| smoku | is there an connmand induced udev event I could hook in to load my wifi driver module? | 06:59 |
| comawhite | can't you just use modprobe? | 07:00 |
| kismeter | timeless_mbp:rpm2cpio **.rpm | cpio -ivdm you can exact rpm file google please, it would tell u | 07:00 |
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| comawhite | kismeter, I think you meant me, thanks | 07:00 |
| smoku | comawhite, and where should I put it? rc.sysinit does not feel right | 07:01 |
| comawhite | nfc | 07:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | comawhite: rpm2targz would also work, slighly less efficient, but whatever | 07:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | and put it in home/needswork/ | 07:04 |
| timeless_mbp | you'll need to fix the init scripts for your distro anyway | 07:05 |
| comawhite | thank you | 07:05 |
| comawhite | I guess I could always use virtualbox | 07:05 |
| * timeless_mbp does | 07:05 | |
| comawhite | if all else fails | 07:05 |
| timeless_mbp | do us a favor and document all your steps | 07:05 |
| timeless_mbp | that way if it doesn't fail you can post a wiki page | 07:05 |
| comawhite | will do | 07:06 |
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| eLmankku_ | keitä kaf | 08:00 |
| eLmankku_ | :) | 08:00 |
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| eLmankku_ | ups :) | 08:01 |
| hlzxy | anyone could tell me something about process of source code to image | 08:03 |
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| SineOt | why do you need to build your own image from source code? | 08:03 |
| hlzxy | I am now asked to learn git ,and this may be relative to source code , and I want to know the role of it | 08:05 |
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| comawhite | hlzxy, read progit (it's free to read of the website) | 08:16 |
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| hlzxy | comawhite: thanks, but my problem is not on git .I want to know the process of source code to other(like image , rpm,) as I want to know the value of the thing it control | 08:22 |
| comawhite | hlzxy, ah sorry | 08:23 |
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| hlzxy | comawhite: this book seems very good. | 08:29 |
| comawhite | it is | 08:29 |
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| mortenmj | hlzxy: consider yourself fortunate. git is the shit | 08:32 |
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| hlzxy | mortenmj: why? | 08:40 |
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| mortenmj | hlzxy: none of the other version control systems i've worked with has given me as much freedom as git does | 08:51 |
| mortenmj | i feel very constrainted using e.g. svn or bzr | 08:51 |
| mortenmj | git is specifically intended for distributed development, so you can very easily do pretty much whatever you like to your own repository. most other version control systems make it comparatively difficult to go back and change things | 08:52 |
| hlzxy | Get it... | 08:54 |
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| fish_sticks | trying to install the sdk on my ubuntu 64 bit 10.10 but apt-get update is not fetching "Release" why's that? | 09:22 |
| comawhite | mortenmj, yeah like svn, which I hate really bad | 09:23 |
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| Myrtti | moin everyone | 09:24 |
| kyb3R | moin | 09:24 |
| JunJi | morn | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 09:24 |
| fish_sticks | can anyone help me with this? | 09:24 |
| fish_sticks | cant seem to install the sdk | 09:24 |
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| mortenmj | fish_sticks: what distro? | 09:46 |
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| Myrtti | mortenmj: Ubuntu | 09:46 |
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| mortenmj | so what's the issue? you add the meego-sdk ppa and use apt... | 09:48 |
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| Myrtti | is a version of SDK supporting 64-bit Maverick even out yet? | 09:49 |
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| JunJi | is the 'obs-signer' always avaiable on zypper? I'm not sure if I could have a chance to download it before | 09:55 |
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| JunJi | at this time it looks not working | 09:55 |
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| Termana | morning | 10:34 |
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| sivang | morning | 11:23 |
| obit_sweden | I finally had some time to fiddle with the lenovo from the conference yesterday. But for some reason I can't get the wifi working everything seems to be loaded ok I've compiled the latest driver from broadcom and it seems to work ok. Anybody that has any ideas how to fix this | 11:24 |
| obit_sweden | I've tried all the things written about in the forum like remove battery and load default settings in bios | 11:25 |
| obit_sweden | Seems like the hardware is broken | 11:26 |
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| rambo | !list | 11:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | obit_sweden: iirc some of the people got bad devices | 11:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | but the smart ones tried the non free firmware while on site and swapped for working hardware | 11:34 |
| timeless_mbp | the purists instead (perhaps you?) opted to be surprised and up a creek without a paddle | 11:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | obit_sweden: try windows 7 starter :), if it works, the hardware isn't buggy :) | 11:35 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: did you manage to get an install cd? :) | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | not yet | 11:36 |
| * timeless_mbp should find someone w/ a usb dvd burner... | 11:36 | |
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| dneary | Stskeeps, Thanks | 11:50 |
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| dneary | Stskeeps, Seems like a phenomenon I see a lot, but it got quite a poor reception (in terms of numbers of comments) compared to some others - perhaps it's just not a controversail topic. | 11:51 |
| timeless_mbp | what's this? | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: thanked dneary in #meego-meeting by accident, for his shy developer posts | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: i think it's one of those invisible problems in communities that ruin development | 11:52 |
| timeless_mbp | "shy developer" posts? | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: planet.maemo.org | 11:52 |
| dneary | timeless_mbp, He thanked me deliberately | 11:52 |
| dneary | It was in #meego-meeting that was the accident | 11:52 |
| dneary | :) | 11:52 |
| dneary | timeless_mbp, In brief, many professional software developers are very reluctant to engage with public mailing lists | 11:53 |
| dneary | timeless_mbp, The question is why, I try to give some answers | 11:53 |
| timeless_mbp | dneary: i've learned that if i post to a mailing list i get spam | 11:53 |
| dneary | And potential solutions | 11:53 |
| timeless_mbp | if i post from my employer's email address, i get spam for as long as i work at that employer | 11:54 |
| dneary | http://www.neary-consulting.com/index.php/2010/12/08/curing-shy-developer-syndrome/ | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | this is unfortunate, since my employer's spam filtering isn't necessarily great | 11:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah, i'm reading it @ http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2010/12/18/follow-up-to-shy-developer-syndrome/ | 11:54 |
| dneary | http://www.neary-consulting.com/index.php/2010/12/18/follow-up-to-shy-developer-syndrome/ | 11:54 |
| dneary | timeless_mbp, I've seen it when working with companies | 11:55 |
| dneary | French, Finnish, American & German based companies | 11:55 |
| dneary | Same symptoms | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | dneary: as a student (high school, college), i was willing to post from my personal address | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | you can still find me in microsoft's usenet groups | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | possibly also in borland's and a few others if the archives are still alive | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | another problem i have with mailing lists is that people don't follow etiquette | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | they don't search through archives before posting | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | they do contact you directly | 11:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | (i've had people contact me *years* after i stopped posting to a group) | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | and mailing lists do not work well as issue trackers | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd much rather a professional team use an actual bug tracker | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | vbox has a mix of a -dev mailing list and a bug tracker | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | while i hate track, i'd much rather use it than deal w/ a mailing list | 11:58 |
| Aard | timeless_mbp: when posting privately I'm using mail addresses which are only valid for a few months, whenever possible | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | it's easier for me to know the status of my patches if they're in an issue tracker | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | Aard: i was young | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | besides it's interesting | 11:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | and it means i can actually follow my old history | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | dneary: this of course ignores old fashioned flame wars | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | ... and spam which generally accumulates in mailing lists | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | (it can be cleaned out of bug trackers) | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | this isn't to say that i'm not involved in *any* groups via mailing lists | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm in one active (mercurial) and a couple inactive (well, more accurately very-near-dead [symbian]) | 12:00 |
| Aard | the spam problem could be solved by finally throwing away a protocol not suitable for modern email communication | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | deposit-pay-to-post | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | but i haven't seen anyone implement that usefully | 12:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | mailing lists also don't generally have particularly useful ways of dealing w/ non native speakers | 12:01 |
| dneary | timeless_mbp, It seems like you're in the "I want to separate work & community" camp | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | w/ a bug, if you need a translator, you can assign the bug to someone and have them proxy | 12:01 |
| dneary | And you use semi-anonymousness to do that | 12:02 |
| * timeless_mbp points to irc | 12:02 | |
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| dneary | Except we've now met you & know your real name :) | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | this is one of my communities | 12:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | which is vaguely separate from work | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | but yeah | 12:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | that's a pretty accurate description of what i want/need | 12:03 |
| dneary | It's a decent tactic | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, also, if you actually speak from an employer's account people start assuming that you're actually making a public policy statement | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | and get annoyed all sorts of ways | 12:03 |
| dneary | One that gave me some trouble during the GNOME census this year | 12:03 |
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| dneary | timeless_mbp, That annoys me | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | irc is understood to be informal | 12:03 |
| dneary | (the assuming corporate policy from individual statements thing) | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | it's impossible to avoid if you send email from @company.name | 12:04 |
| dneary | Sure it is | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | really? | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | do tell | 12:04 |
| * timeless_mbp reads | 12:04 | |
| Stskeeps | giant disclaimers? | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:04 |
| dneary | You just have to add 10 lines of legal boilerplate after your signature, and it will be clear that your opinions, unless otherwise stated, are your own | 12:04 |
| dneary | :) | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | btw, on the left side of: | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.neary-consulting.com/index.php/2010/12/08/curing-shy-developer-syndrome/ | 12:05 |
| dneary | No, it is a problem. But then, some people muddy the waters | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | you have '-->' below "Free Blog Host" | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | is that intentional? | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | personally, i *hate* those disclaimers | 12:05 |
| Bostik | dneary: I've seen some nice jabs at that, such as "#include <std/disclaimer.h>" in signatures | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | and i'd hate to become a hypocrite by being forced to include one | 12:05 |
| dneary | timeless_mbp, Everyone hates those disclaimers. Stskeeps and myself were obviously both joking | 12:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | dneary: i could see that Stskeeps was joking | 12:06 |
| odin_ | surely company statements would be press-releases, web-pages, corporate blogs, documentation, stuff like that, everything else is not | 12:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | your response didn't actually give a proper hint. from context i clearly thought you were serious :( | 12:07 |
| dneary | Well, let's take an example: | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | odin_: um, it's trivial for me to show that people don't work that way | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | simply from my maemo experience | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a great quote here, but i need to find it | 12:07 |
| dneary | I for one have a hard time telling when Arjan is talking as "just Arjan", "Arjan the kernel hacker", "Arjan the architect of MeeGo" | 12:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | [People are] so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand. | 12:08 |
| dneary | timeless_mbp, Sorry - that's my deadpan sense of humour betraying me again | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | dneary: it's ok, but try working on your smilies ;-b | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | dneary: yeah, see, in bugzilla it's actually possible to deal w/ that | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | you can create accounts which are impersonatable | 12:09 |
| dneary | Like that time I suggested that the French should expel everyone who wasn't French born at a party, and people spent half an hour explaining to me that I was wrong... | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | and when someone needs to make an official statement, they impersonate those accounts | 12:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | otherwise they're treated as normal people | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | dneary: wow | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | dneary: i must say that having a board of two with Arjan sometimes *presenting* a proposal is *incredibly* confusing | 12:10 |
| odin_ | I am saying it should, that corporate/company statement, comes from a corporate/company source, all other sources are to be considered less formal by default | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | odin_: if wishes were horses | 12:10 |
| odin_ | hat wearing is just to indicate bias, which is better than not indicating any (when one maybe present) | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | ... did anyone recognize my quote abotu sand? | 12:11 |
| sx0n|home | dneary: good article. | 12:11 |
| dneary | timeless_mbp, smilies or metaphors? | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | s/abotu/about/ | 12:11 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: ... did anyone recognize my quote about sand? | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | dneary: error context lost :( | 12:11 |
| dneary | timeless_mbp, Yes, I agree, it's sometimes hard to tell when Arjan is asking for feedack and when he is informing you of a decision. | 12:12 |
| dneary | <timeless_mbp> dneary: it's ok, but try working on your smilies ;-b | 12:12 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, in that case, i think it was vaguely clear he was submitting a proposal | 12:12 |
| timeless_mbp | dneary: smilies :) | 12:12 |
| timeless_mbp | i generally write what i mean and mean what i write :) | 12:12 |
| dneary | See, I did a cute thing where I transposed letters and responded like you'd said silimes | 12:12 |
| dneary | similes even | 12:13 |
| dneary | See, it's that deadpan humour thing again | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, i saw it | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | dneary: i think that form of humor works better in person | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | you have more confidence that the person understood the context and has chosen to go a different way | 12:14 |
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| dneary | It's like when you see someone pushing a door with "pull" written on it. | 12:14 |
| timeless_mbp | whereas here there's always some chance that someone is clarifying on behalf of an audience | 12:14 |
| dneary | (Is that a good enough simile?) | 12:14 |
| timeless_mbp | the doors around here tend to say vetää | 12:14 |
| timeless_mbp | and people get a lot more sympathy from me for it, and a lot less from everyone else :( | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, i'm not really sure what the doors say, i don't bother to try reading them :/ | 12:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh brother | 12:16 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks imdb | 12:16 | |
| timeless_mbp | it's giving me localized content | 12:16 |
| timeless_mbp | > Memorable quotes for Amerikan presidentti (1995) More at IMDbPro »The American President (original title) | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i have it in polish | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | it's just as bad | 12:16 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, i'm sure | 12:16 |
| timeless_mbp | and you have my sympathies | 12:16 |
| dneary | Must finish article | 12:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | DawnFoster: what wakes you at 2am? | 12:18 |
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| Stskeeps | broken intel connections probably | 12:19 |
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| odin_ | have a wonderful festive season all | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | dneary: so... why do you think mailing lists are important? | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | i''m not saying they aren't | 12:22 |
| dneary | timeless_mbp, I think that communication is important | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | and in fact developing people's writing skills is important | 12:23 |
| * DangerMaus didnt even realize it was decemv=ber | 12:23 | |
| timeless_mbp | but, why specifically mailing lists | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | DangerMaus: blink and you'll miss it? | 12:23 |
| dneary | I think it's important that people can see what is happening, why, that there are opportunities to affect change from time to time | 12:23 |
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| dneary | Well, mailing lists fill a gap between wiki & IRC | 12:24 |
| timeless_mbp | what's that gap? | 12:24 |
| dneary | asynchronous extended communication | 12:24 |
| timeless_mbp | and why does that gap need filling? | 12:24 |
| dneary | asynchronous in that participants don't have to be in the same place at the same time | 12:24 |
| DangerMaus | yepyep this time of year goes that way | 12:24 |
| timeless_mbp | in mozilla we can play ping- tag on irc | 12:25 |
| dneary | Communication in that it's 2 way, unlike a wiki page | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | it eventually works | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | and some people learn to overload their ping packets to include a message | 12:25 |
| dneary | And extended because sometimes you need more than 140 characters to say something important | 12:25 |
| dneary | That assumes everyone is online 24/7 | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, are you tweetening me? | 12:25 |
| DangerMaus | haha | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | dneary: 24/6 is good enough for me :) | 12:26 |
| dneary | My primary computer is a laptop which I suspend every evening. So between about 8pm and 9am, pinging me will get a "user not found" | 12:26 |
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| dneary | timeless_mbp, I now have work to do - and IRC is interrupting me | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | wow, you're only available 11/6 ? | 12:27 |
| dneary | But I can turn off email, or set it to fetch every half an hour | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | dneary: do you take feedback on blogs, or are they write once? | 12:27 |
| dneary | timeless_mbp, I am available more than that, because I sometimes check email during the evening or on weekends | 12:27 |
| dneary | timeless_mbp, Both | 12:27 |
| dneary | I take feedback, and sometimes I'll do follow up posts, but I rarely edit originals | 12:28 |
| rauli | email is nice because you can take an hour or more to write it, and if it is about something important, your recipients can never claim they forgot to read it | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | rauli: um | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | they certainly do | 12:29 |
| dneary | Now - I really do have to finish this article before midday, so I'm away. | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | most of the time i hear "oh, that was in my spam bin" | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | sadly, i believe them | 12:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | d-neary: fwiw, i think maemo is not one of those communities w/ a high tolerance for incomplete plans | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | and i suspect meego won't be either | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | communities composed of developers can be | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | but communities which attract masses of end users don't tend to be | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | ... if you keep the end users out of the technical lists, then things are different | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | ... instead you get /. reporting on your dev list discussions | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | (which is probably worse) | 12:34 |
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| JunJi | I'm trying to compile the core rpms in http://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.9.20101207.1/core/repos/source/ to armv5 by http://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/builds/1.0.90/1.0.90.0.20100831.1/core/repos/armv5tel/ but while the process, it's making some failed results (10 so far), will these be fixed at the end?? | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | JunJi: what end? | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi: ~7 packages is normal | 12:39 |
| timeless_mbp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_Days_(film) | 12:39 |
| JunJi | at the end of the compiling, are these supposed to be fixed? :p | 12:39 |
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| Stskeeps | nop | 12:39 |
| JunJi | I know it won't :( | 12:39 |
| timeless_mbp | seems like a silly question | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | 10 is equal to what i saw mself | 12:40 |
| JunJi | timeless_mbp: agree :) just my hope | 12:40 |
| JunJi | oops... | 12:40 |
| timeless_mbp | packages in obs world properly build dependencies first | 12:40 |
| timeless_mbp | which means a failure is a failure for a given snapshot | 12:40 |
| timeless_mbp | and it sounds like you knew that | 12:40 |
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| Stskeeps | JunJi: which packages in question? | 12:40 |
| JunJi | yes.. but I got the rpms from the official mirrors so it's hard to think these are wrong.. | 12:41 |
| JunJi | the failed packages? | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi: we have ~7 'failed' packages in meego.com OBS | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | so it's expected | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | ~10 is probably because of armv5 | 12:41 |
| infobot | ...but 10 is already something else... | 12:41 |
| JunJi | because of the armv5 1.0.90? | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | or armv5 in general :) | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | please file bugs if you see any | 12:42 |
| JunJi | so it's not possible to compile the latest core rpms to armv5 using the 1.0.90 armv5? | 12:42 |
| JunJi | ok | 12:42 |
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| Stskeeps | it is possible, just that 7 packages are known not to build on ARM in general | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | JunJi: your conclusions are kinda negative | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | obviously it's possible to compile a large number of the rpms | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | as you've done so | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | and the 3 on top of that is probably armv5-specific build problems | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | JunJi: try to avoid "so it's not possible to <....>?" | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | treating things in black and white doesn't make people happy | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | ah, grammar | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:43 |
| JunJi | eat tuile kbd libgphoto2 libisofs libqttracker mpc perl-SOAP-Lite python-imaging python-reportlab un-core-fonts | 12:43 |
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| JunJi | there are the failed | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | there's nothing grammatically wrong | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | it just expressed the wrong concept | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | which is worse :) | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi: sounds like the ones i saw on my own one too | 12:44 |
| JunJi | lol | 12:44 |
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| JunJi | how could I avoid these failures? | 12:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | JunJi: by fixing the packages | 12:45 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 12:45 | |
| timeless_mbp | (or not building them) | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | well, because we're stupid in meego.com and we don't build armv5 at the moment, we don't see those problems | 12:45 |
| JunJi | actually I didn't turn off the computer for 4 days :) | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | so best thing is to check the build logs | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | and file bugs when you see prolems | 12:45 |
| JunJi | ok, | 12:46 |
| * lcuk shivers a bit | 12:46 | |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: have you filed bugs for your 7? | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: mostly, yeah | 12:46 |
| JunJi | but you fixed them so far which means there is a solution | 12:46 |
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| JunJi | so far -> before | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | JunJi: no | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | he worked around them by ignoring them | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | and filing bugs | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi: we don't have 100% compiling packages atm :) | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi: ie, there's some that just fail on arm | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | JunJi: please excuse my next question: what's your native language? | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi: and from when we had armv5 we upgraded to gcc 4.5, which broke a lot of things | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | and didn't verify if things still worked on armv5 | 12:47 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i've now searched for 4 of the things in JunJi 's list | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | hence what you see there :) | 12:47 |
| timeless_mbp | and none of them give useful hits | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | are you not including the package names in your bug summaries? | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i'm not at work, so i'm not going to bother with bureaucracy right no, sorry | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: and those package names were different from ours, he'll probably get to those atm | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | at some point, i mean | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: oh so you mean his 10 are beyond your 10? | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i think it'd be helpful to point JunJi to a sample bug | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | right, hence me asking for bug reports | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | so he can go off and file the rest | 12:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | because otherwise we're asking him to get confused | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | a template would be *very* helpful here | 12:49 |
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| Guest4955 | hey is there anybody help me? | 12:51 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders bug 7006 v bug 9554 | 12:51 | |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7006 cri, High, ---, carsten, ASSI, [N900] gst-video-thumbnailerd segfault | 12:51 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9554 cri, High, ---, carsten, ASSI, [N900] gst-video-thumbnailerd segfault | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | 1.1 vs 1.2 | 12:51 |
| timeless_mbp | Guest4955: eh | 12:51 |
| Guest4955 | about obs | 12:51 |
| Guest4955 | currently I have installed local obs server in my computer.(very high spec) | 12:52 |
| Guest4955 | I have set for build incompletely. | 12:52 |
| Guest4955 | problem is , some module is built for i586, but isn't built for arm | 12:53 |
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| Guest4955 | help me.. | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | Guest4955: not everything is guaranteed to build | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | if things don't build, use bugs.meego.com to find or file a bug | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | preferably with a patch | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | and if the problem belongs to an upstream product, please file a bug there too | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: distributions are stupid | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | because they result in people assuming the world is perfect | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | (see JunJi , Guest4955 ) | 12:55 |
| lcuk | and if its ont building *anything* for ARM, please review the documentation and confirm you are confirgured for and asking OBS to build for ARM | 12:55 |
| lcuk | not ^ | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: s/foo/bar/ works ;-) | 12:56 |
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| Guest4955 | log messeage as like this : Using BUILD_ROOT=/var/cache/obs/worker/root_2/.mount | 12:56 |
| Guest4955 | Using BUILD_ARCH=armv7el | 12:56 |
| Guest4955 | Doing kvm build in /var/cache/obs/worker/root_2/root | 12:56 |
| Guest4955 | fqdn started "build lua.spec" at Mon Dec 20 19:45:45 UTC 2010. | 12:56 |
| Guest4955 | Building lua for project 'MeeGo:2010.12.14:Core' repository 'MeeGo_1.0.80.8.20100629.1_Core_standard' arch 'armv7el' srcmd5 '9166603ea62e077b373ec5077e265a2c' | 12:56 |
| Guest4955 | processing specfile /var/cache/obs/worker/root_2/.build-srcdir/lua.spec ... | 12:56 |
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| Guest4955 | running changelog2spec --target rpm --file /var/cache/obs/worker/root_2/.build-srcdir/lua.spec | 12:57 |
| Guest4955 | init_buildsystem --cachedir /var/cache/build --prepare --clean --rpmlist /var/cache/obs/worker/root_2/.build.rpmlist /var/cache/obs/worker/root_2/.build-srcdir/lua.spec build rpmlint-Factory ... | 12:57 |
| Guest4955 | copying qemu | 12:57 |
| lbt | Guest4955: no pasting | 12:57 |
| Guest4955 | preinstalling aaa-meego-accelerator... | 12:57 |
| Guest4955 | preinstalling glibc-x86-arm... | 12:57 |
| lbt | use pastebin | 12:57 |
| Guest4955 | preinstalling bash-x86-arm... | 12:57 |
| Guest4955 | preinstalling ncurses-libs-x86-arm... | 12:57 |
| lbt | or you'll get kicked | 12:57 |
| Guest4955 | preinstalling rpm... | 12:57 |
| Guest4955 | preinstalling rpm-libs... | 12:57 |
| Guest4955 | preinstalling bash... | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: just kick him | 12:57 |
| Guest4955 | preinstalling bzip2... | 12:57 |
| Guest4955 | preinstalling coreutils... | 12:57 |
| Guest4955 | preinstalling diffutils... | 12:57 |
| obit_sweden | timeless_mbp: When I got mine there was not so many left. To bad Lenovo shipped such crappy devices I will try to install windows. It would be nice to actually be able to use the device | 12:57 |
| * lbt can't | 12:57 | |
| Guest4955 | preinstalling db4... | 12:57 |
| Guest4955 | preinstalling filesystem... | 12:57 |
| Guest4955 | preinstalling grep... | 12:57 |
| Guest4955 | preinstalling glibc... | 12:57 |
| lbt | Guest4955: oi!!! | 12:57 |
| Guest4955 | preinstalling glibc-common... | 12:57 |
| Guest4955 | preinstalling libacl... | 12:57 |
| Guest4955 | preinstalling libattr... | 12:57 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Stskeeps | 12:57 | |
| Guest4955 | preinstalling libgcc... | 12:57 |
| *** Guest4955 was kicked by Stskeeps (out) | 12:57 | |
| *** Stskeeps sets mode: -o Guest87704 | 12:57 | |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: you are the manager of this meego channel...ah.... | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | a manager, not the | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps++ | 12:59 |
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| * timeless_mbp didn't type that correction fast enough :) | 12:59 | |
| david__ | hey | 12:59 |
| tyson_ | ah, kindly man .Stskeeps... | 12:59 |
| lbt | david__: no pasting please... very rude. | 12:59 |
| lbt | use pastie.org or something | 13:00 |
| david__ | forgive my rude | 13:00 |
| lbt | np | 13:00 |
| lbt | learning :) | 13:00 |
| david__ | i wiil keep a manner. | 13:00 |
| david__ | http://www.pastie.org/1391637 | 13:01 |
| david__ | this is my log.. | 13:01 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: see you!~ | 13:01 |
| david__ | lbt please help me. | 13:01 |
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| lbt | david__: /bin/run-init: /.build/initscript_qemu_vm: Exec format error | 13:01 |
| lbt | means you're running the wrong arch | 13:02 |
| david__ | where should i modify ? | 13:02 |
| lbt | what arch is your worker hardware? | 13:02 |
| david__ | armv7el | 13:02 |
| lbt | yeah ... so you don't need to use qemu | 13:03 |
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| david__ | so what I shoud do? | 13:03 |
| lbt | that's pretty unusual... just to confirm... your worker hardware is armv7el ? | 13:03 |
| david__ | wait.. ... | 13:04 |
| david__ | obs can build a package for i586 , can't build a package for arm | 13:05 |
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| david__ | what's mean worker hardware? | 13:05 |
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| david__ | you means server? | 13:05 |
| timeless_mbp | is the physical box i586? | 13:05 |
| timeless_mbp | (the thing that's doing the compilation) | 13:06 |
| david__ | yep, server is i586 | 13:06 |
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| lbt | david__: OK | 13:08 |
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| david__ | help me. what's wrong in my setting? | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | what guide did you use to set up you obs? | 13:09 |
| david__ | 10 step ~~ written by you. | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | then you skipped the qemu step :) | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 13:10 |
| david__ | TT | 13:10 |
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| david__ | where can I find about it? | 13:10 |
| david__ | lbt, can you help me? | 13:11 |
| lbt | david__: as Stskeeps said... review the qemu setup steps | 13:11 |
| lcuk | david__, Stskeeps just gave you a clue, please reread the 10 steps guide carefully and take special care and attention around the qemu step | 13:12 |
| JunJi | timeless_mbp : I've never told you that I'm thinking the world is perfact. :) don't be rude anymore | 13:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | JunJi: the way you're writing acts as if it is | 13:12 |
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| david__ | ok let me get it. | 13:12 |
| lcuk | JunJi, thankfully because you made up a new word, you get to define when things are perfact. | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk++ | 13:13 |
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| david__ | ok I have confirmed a /etc/sysconfig/obs-server | 13:19 |
| tcs-meego | how do i turn on the network in the meego sdk emulator ,... as in be able to ping google | 13:20 |
| david__ | OBS_SCHEDULER_ARCHITECTURES="i586 armv5el armv7el" | 13:20 |
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| david__ | lbt, Stskeeps do you indicate this ? | 13:21 |
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| david__ | I think it was set truly | 13:21 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: have you looked at bug 10850? | 13:23 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10850 maj, Medium, 1.1.90.0, lokesh.k.goel, ASSI, Mozilla Central fails to build over Meego Platform - selected processor does not support `ldrex r2,[ | 13:23 |
| * timeless_mbp is totally confused by the error | 13:23 | |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: idl whatever doesn't pass CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS to whatever it builds | 13:24 |
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| Stskeeps | it means "doesn't have -march=armv6 or higher" | 13:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/diff/a2e5d3cbf6cf/configure.in | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | that looks fucking stupid | 13:25 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm assuming that we aren't in the top hunk, since that seems to be android only | 13:25 |
| timeless_mbp | but afaict the bottom hunk seems to relatively consistently ask for arm5-whatever | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: but rest of stuff is built with CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS properly, just not stuff built in idl* | 13:26 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | -m typelib -w -I/home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/mozilla-central/xpcom/io | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | -I../../dist/idl -e _xpidlgen/nsIStreamBufferAccess.xpt -d | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | that runs gcc somewhere and doesn't pass CFLAGS/CXXFLAGs | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | xpidl that is | 13:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't think so | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | rest of sources are built with march=armv7-a | 13:27 |
| david__ | please help me, please don't lost me. | 13:27 |
| david__ | lbt, give me more hint | 13:28 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: so... | 13:28 |
| timeless_mbp | david__: hint "go read the instructions again" | 13:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: so... | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | xpidl isn't a gcc front end | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | all it does is write .xpt files and .h files | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | well, something obviously builds in there | 13:29 |
| lbt | david__: "Doing kvm build" | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: am i right in thinking that | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | 1.20 + arm*) | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | should be changed to arm<something that matches 5 or 6> ? | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | so that this arm-5 stuff doesn't apply to an arm-7 target? | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 13:31 |
| * Stskeeps heads out | 13:31 | |
| lbt | david__: I'd ask in #obs ... sorry, I don't have time to debug it right now and you've gone for the "appliance" approach which I've never used. | 13:32 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: does it write out assembly? | 13:33 |
| thiago | oh, ldrex | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: it shouldn't | 13:33 |
| thiago | ldrex is armv6 | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, i vaguely get that ldrex is armv6 | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | it sounds like meego tries to build w/ armv7 instructions | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | and the configure.in change is asking the linker to link as armv5 | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | which of course would be unfortunate for any armv6 instructions | 13:34 |
| thiago | since our v5 build is offline, my guess is that the command being run forgot the -march= option | 13:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | # Make it works with meegotouch | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | ac_add_options --enable-cpp-rtti | 13:36 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 13:36 | |
| timeless_mbp | meegotouch sucks | 13:36 |
| thiago | or added an -march=armv5te one | 13:36 |
| thiago | yes, that commit looks suspicious | 13:36 |
| thiago | looks like it forces v5, even on our v7 builds | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: right | 13:37 |
| timeless_mbp | so what configure magic do i want to match arm-5 ? | 13:37 |
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| lcuk | tcs-meego__, "DIFF"? or "diff" diffutils is certainly available | 14:07 |
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| CosmoHill | hey lcuk | 14:36 |
| lcuk | morning CosmoHill \o | 14:36 |
| lcuk | how deep is your snow today? | 14:36 |
| CosmoHill | about 2cm i think | 14:37 |
| CosmoHill | it's more on the grass | 14:37 |
| lcuk | ahhh so barely any | 14:37 |
| lcuk | i bet your town is ground to a halt tho :P | 14:37 |
| CosmoHill | hehe the main roads are fine | 14:38 |
| CosmoHill | it's the uncontrollable slide onto them that is the issue | 14:38 |
| lcuk | heh | 14:38 |
| lcuk | tracy pulled a metre long icicle off the boiler outlet this morning | 14:39 |
| lcuk | pure and clear as glass | 14:39 |
| CosmoHill | dad almost got hit by a 2ft one | 14:39 |
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| lcuk | would make an awesome stylus for big touchscreens | 14:39 |
| CosmoHill | he opened the front door and it fell off the roof next to him | 14:39 |
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| lcuk | eep | 14:39 |
| RST38h | Aunt has been riding a 5ft one to wor^H^H^H^H^H | 14:40 |
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| lcuk | lol RST38h | 14:42 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: you in the uk as well? | 14:48 |
| CosmoHill | yep | 14:48 |
| sivang | anybody know why the nokia qt sdk carries qt 4.6 instead of 4.7 ? | 14:49 |
| sivang | for mobile development against maemo/meego | 14:49 |
| sivang | or I am using an old version of the sdk? | 14:50 |
| lcuk | sivang, out of date/sync issues - did you get the latest beta? | 14:50 |
| sivang | lcuk: no, you mean rc1? | 14:50 |
| sivang | upate says nothing to update | 14:50 |
| sivang | or shows nothing to update, at least | 14:50 |
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| lcuk | sivang, I don't know which version specifically or even if its cured yet | 14:51 |
| lcuk | but you aren't the first to mention such things | 14:51 |
| sivang | i see | 14:51 |
| sivang | oh well, I'll just use 4.7 for the desktop and 4.6 for mobile | 14:52 |
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| tcs-meego__ | can i install mplayer or vlc for meego? | 15:00 |
| Joppeffs | yes | 15:01 |
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| Joppeffs | look at the forumpost "community repo" | 15:01 |
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| tcs-meego__ | ok | 15:01 |
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| hiptobecubic | For the record, there's no reason you can't fix the wireless while running off of the live image | 15:09 |
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| CosmoHill | yay | 15:10 |
| jonnor | sivang: 4.6 is likely due to Symbian and specifically the N8. I do not believe that has got 4.7 yet | 15:12 |
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| jeremiah_ | What is the default media player in MeeGo? Is it mplayer? | 16:40 |
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| X-Fade | jeremiah_: For netbook it is banshee and for handset is it gstreamer based. | 16:42 |
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| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: Thanks | 16:44 |
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| thresh | did I miss the fun? | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | what fun? | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:47 |
| rauli | camelot! | 16:47 |
| thresh | patent trolls | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | we had patent trolls? | 16:47 |
| thresh | we can easily arrange that.. | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's along the lines of chanting mpeg! mono! drm! three times, isn't it? | 16:49 |
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| sivang | thresh: heh | 16:52 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: mono O_o | 16:52 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: been a while since I heared it | 16:52 |
| sivang | heard | 16:52 |
| sivang | bah | 16:52 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: playing with QNetworkAccessManager, fun btw :) | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, supposedily it is | 16:53 |
| berndhs | sure you're not humming a Beatles song? pay up! | 16:53 |
| sivang | lol | 16:53 |
| sivang | now, where my SuomiPOP stream.. | 16:54 |
| RST38h | BTW, FAT-based fs used with SD cards is copyrighted by Microsoft | 16:54 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: patented, you mean | 16:54 |
| RST38h | yes | 16:54 |
| thresh | everything is patented in multimedia world | 16:54 |
| thresh | so that's kind of a lame excuse | 16:55 |
| sivang | does anybody know what the logic responsile for filling zeros a file with file-holes from ext3 when copied onto FAT32? | 16:55 |
| sivang | or where is it, for that matter | 16:55 |
| RST38h | fread() from holes will read zeros | 16:55 |
| RST38h | So it is completely logical | 16:55 |
| sivang | RST38h: meaning in the responsibility of the providing fs? | 16:56 |
| sivang | RST38h: fs interface, that is | 16:56 |
| sivang | (api) | 16:56 |
| sivang | RST38h: "logical" here actually means that's the defined behavior for fread syscall actually..? | 16:57 |
| RST38h | Ok, let us take it slow | 17:00 |
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| RST38h | sivang: Consider Unix. You have got an ext3fs, with a file. That file has holes. | 17:00 |
| RST38h | sivang: What happens when you read() from a hole? | 17:00 |
| RST38h | sivang: Your read() will succeed, returning zeros | 17:00 |
| RST38h | sivang: Consider now fat32fs. It has no provision for holes, AFAIK | 17:01 |
| RST38h | sivang: But when you copy that ext3fs file there, it should still read the same as from ext3fs, otherwise it is a different file, don't you think? | 17:01 |
| RST38h | sivang: hence, the holes will be written as zeros to the fat32fs | 17:02 |
| jeremiah_ | Hmm, Fat Holes. Nice. | 17:04 |
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| sivang | RST38h: right. so that's in the standard for the fread syscall then? | 17:08 |
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| sivang | jeremiah_: LOL , I just now realized your joke | 17:12 |
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| marnanel | a really simple prototype Z-machine that I made in about an hour with QML: http://spectrum.myriadcolours.com/~marnanel/gnusto1 | 17:14 |
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| berndhs | RST38h: sivang: so that standard implies that a copy of a file with holes has no holes ? | 17:15 |
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| RST38h | sivang: man fread | 17:17 |
| RST38h | man read too | 17:18 |
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| sivang | RST38h: sure, thanks. | 17:19 |
| berndhs | nab fread doesn't say anything about it, its really short, but i'm sure its documented someplace | 17:21 |
| berndhs | s/nab/man/ | 17:21 |
| infobot | berndhs meant: man fread doesn't say anything about it, its really short, but i'm sure its documented someplace | 17:21 |
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| Stskeeps | sivang: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_communication#IRC | 17:23 |
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| RST38h | fread is a libc call, you want read (kernel call) | 17:27 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, i pinged you the other day about opening #meego-pub since it was late and we were already drinking just ended up opening it | 18:06 |
| lcuk | are we ok to have a meego channels thats specifically not meego related | 18:07 |
| lcuk | oops | 18:07 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: that's fine | 18:07 |
| lcuk | #meego-bar | 18:07 |
| * lcuk forgot where the local was | 18:07 | |
| DawnFoster | did you follow the instructions on the IRC guidelines for creating new channels? | 18:07 |
| lcuk | i think i was drinking at the time, so probably not | 18:08 |
| lcuk | but certainly will now | 18:08 |
| DawnFoster | no worries: http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines | 18:08 |
| DawnFoster | just need to register it, add founder access for stskeeps & me, etc. | 18:08 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, at around the same time | 18:08 |
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| lcuk | it was mentioned the freenode GRF thing | 18:08 |
| lcuk | wasnt setup properly | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | ah, the grf nightmare.. | 18:09 |
| lcuk | because timoph from #meego-qa-tools wanted to get ops on his channel | 18:09 |
| DawnFoster | ugh | 18:09 |
| jeremiah_ | DawnFoster: I've been talking with Rudi about a meego-ivi channel. | 18:09 |
| DawnFoster | this is why registering it and giving founder access to 2 consistent people is really important | 18:09 |
| jeremiah_ | I should just be able to follow those guidelines right? | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: pretty much and remember to write it the needed places | 18:10 |
| DawnFoster | jeremiah_: yep | 18:10 |
| lcuk | ok | 18:10 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Cool, thanks keepsie and dawnsie, I'll do that. :-) | 18:10 |
| lcuk | so how do add founder flags | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | /chanserv access # add nick +F | 18:11 |
| lcuk | one nick at a time? | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | right | 18:11 |
| lcuk | ok updated wiki, ta | 18:12 |
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| lcuk | for others, I am doing that on the #meego-bar now | 18:12 |
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| lcuk | how do you list the flags? | 18:13 |
| lcuk | to ensure they are set correctly | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | list instead of add | 18:14 |
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| lcuk | k, done thanks | 18:15 |
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| xxtjaxx | Good evening everyone! | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | evening | 18:33 |
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| lbt | ☃ | 18:59 |
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| lardman | I'm guessing from the snowman that my irc client can do unicode | 19:05 |
| timeless_xchat | xchat here doesn't have access to non lame fonts | 19:06 |
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| javispedro | due to small font, I confused that with ⚨, and was pondering "wtf, lbt?". so thanks lardman for the clarification =) | 19:06 |
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| lardman | lol | 19:07 |
| lardman | my font is pretty small too, perhaps unicode wasn't designed for art work | 19:07 |
| lardman | back to ascii it is ;) | 19:07 |
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| javispedro | ... but the first one to dump a giant ascii art snowman gets kicked ;) | 19:11 |
| lcuk | 8 | 19:13 |
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| dm8tbr | `8/ | 19:14 |
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| pixelgeek | o | 19:26 |
| pixelgeek | 0 | 19:26 |
| pixelgeek | O | 19:26 |
| pixelgeek | (sorry, couldn't resist) | 19:26 |
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| dm8tbr | nobody pulled out figlet or cowsay yet ;) | 19:37 |
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| Bostik | cowsay is okay, as long as you avoid '-f sodomized-sheep' option | 19:53 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, when I ran those chanserv things whilst I was in here, my irc client displayed the results in the maemo channel | 20:04 |
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| lcuk | is this because they have bindings between the channels? or just my irc client is screwed | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | cos chanserv is visible in that channel | 20:05 |
| lcuk | i have chanserv in others in list though | 20:06 |
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| lcukn900 | bah home net dead. | 21:02 |
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| CosmoHill | hey DawnFoster | 21:03 |
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| kyb3R | DawnFoster: have a moment for me? | 21:15 |
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| lcukn900 | qgil perhaps the changing desktops wiki page will help and do the same, but not sure if the wetab is using same/proper meego core | 21:19 |
| araujo | OBS down for somebody? | 21:20 |
| lcukn900 | even obs now araujo? | 21:21 |
| * lcukn900 has no home internet at all | 21:21 | |
| Stskeeps | araujo: build.meego.com worksforme | 21:21 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, lcukn900, not working for me | 21:21 |
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| araujo | and yes, I can access other sites | 21:22 |
| araujo | lcukn900, your net down? | 21:22 |
| lcukn900 | yeah | 21:22 |
| lcukn900 | on 3g atm and it wont connect to win machine for real net | 21:23 |
| araujo | >( | 21:23 |
| araujo | :( | 21:23 |
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| DawnFoster | kyb3R: I have a minute or 2 before my next meeting :) | 21:29 |
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| kyb3R | DawnFoster: we had our first meeting and idea/suggestion came up | 21:30 |
| DawnFoster | kyb3R: first meeting about planning the summit? | 21:30 |
| kyb3R | could our regional mailing list details be added to http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/ | 21:31 |
| kyb3R | DawnFoster: no, community meeting but included Summit issues | 21:31 |
| DawnFoster | kyb3R: that list is pulled dynamically off of the meego server, so not really | 21:31 |
| kyb3R | we've been planning and already doing stuff for two months | 21:31 |
| kyb3R | for the summit | 21:31 |
| kyb3R | DawnFoster: ok | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | don't you mean getting a mailing list, not adding? :P | 21:32 |
| kyb3R | uups, I have misunderstood then | 21:32 |
| kyb3R | well, could we have a meego mailing list? :) | 21:32 |
| kyb3R | for regional matters | 21:33 |
| DawnFoster | kyb3R: nope :) | 21:33 |
| kyb3R | DawnFoster: ok :) | 21:33 |
| DawnFoster | The administrative burden of hosting a hundred regional lists isn't something we can take on now | 21:33 |
| kyb3R | I understand that quite well | 21:33 |
| kyb3R | but hundred...at the moment there's only us :) | 21:34 |
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| DawnFoster | however, we should have a wiki page somewhere where we can list non-official mailing lists (regional, etc. that are hosted elsewhere) | 21:34 |
| kyb3R | DawnFoster: yes | 21:34 |
| DawnFoster | or related mailing lists for things like Qt, upstream projects, etc. | 21:34 |
| DawnFoster | kyb3R: actually there are more than a dozen regional listsl | 21:34 |
| kyb3R | oh! | 21:35 |
| DawnFoster | Portland, SF, Dallas to name a few | 21:35 |
| kyb3R | where are they hiding then? | 21:35 |
| DawnFoster | Google groups, meetup | 21:35 |
| kyb3R | ah | 21:35 |
| DawnFoster | http://wiki.meego.com/Local_MeeGo_Networks | 21:35 |
| kyb3R | is Dallas a regional network? | 21:35 |
| DawnFoster | yes | 21:36 |
| kyb3R | ok | 21:36 |
| DawnFoster | I think we need to remove your regional network page and merge the content onto the local pae | 21:36 |
| kyb3R | it does not really open to me at the list you pointed | 21:36 |
| kyb3R | but ok | 21:36 |
| DawnFoster | kyb3R: I don't understand that last bit "does not really open to me at the list you pointed" ? | 21:37 |
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| kyb3R | and details about channels and lists are separated to elsewhere? | 21:37 |
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| DawnFoster | Each local network maintains it's own infrastructure - using whatever they decide is most relevant | 21:38 |
| kyb3R | so there cant be regional page which lists all the list and channel and other details of one region | 21:38 |
| kyb3R | if I would look information about activities in Finland,I'd expect to find them in one place | 21:39 |
| kyb3R | but that's just me | 21:39 |
| DawnFoster | kyb3R: of course you can have a page with all of your details for a region | 21:39 |
| DawnFoster | however this page: http://wiki.meego.com/Regional_MeeGo_Networks | 21:39 |
| DawnFoster | duplicates http://wiki.meego.com/Local_MeeGo_Networks | 21:39 |
| kyb3R | I get your point on that | 21:39 |
| DawnFoster | I'd like to see you move http://wiki.meego.com/Regional_MeeGo_Networks/MeeGo_Network_Finland to be under the local networks page | 21:40 |
| kyb3R | would then http://wiki.meego.com/finland be ok | 21:40 |
| DawnFoster | I'd like to see http://wiki.meego.com/Local_MeeGo_Networks/http://wiki.meego.com/Regional_MeeGo_Networks/MeeGo_Network_Finland | 21:40 |
| DawnFoster | or something like that | 21:40 |
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| DawnFoster | I'd like to keep the local stuff under an appropriate subtopic | 21:41 |
| kyb3R | local is local ok | 21:42 |
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| kyb3R | now I get it! My idea was to put all the guideline links under 'Regional_MeeGo_Networks/' but another place might suite better | 21:44 |
| kyb3R | but i'll move the page | 21:44 |
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| DawnFoster | kyb3R: thanks - would be good to follow the existing convention: http://wiki.meego.com/Local_MeeGo_Networks/DFW | 21:46 |
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| kyb3R | DawnFoster: you probably mean that we should add what the DFW has and we dont but keep the rest. | 21:50 |
| kyb3R | since we do seem to have a lot more the tell ppl about out activity | 21:50 |
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| kyb3R | s/the/to/ | 21:51 |
| infobot | kyb3R meant: since we do seem to have a lot more to tell ppl about out activity | 21:51 |
| kyb3R | besides those coming to meetings are expected to join meetup.com and find the location there | 21:52 |
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| jibun | if I may, I agree with kyb3R that the DFW page is quite bare | 21:53 |
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| kyb3R | DawnFoster: but anyway, thanks for spearing a moment :) | 21:56 |
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| * Stskeeps downloads a small bunch of meego conference videos to watch on his upcoming travel to .dk .. | 22:22 | |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, interesting choice of travel entertainment. :P | 22:37 |
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| berndhs | he's expecting long delays | 22:39 |
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| goodnight | nokia and windows phone 7? | 22:44 |
| goodnight | mah | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: i'll be in a car in middle of winter on polish roads and german highways with queues, all sorts of entertainment appreciated :P | 22:45 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps, where are the conference videos available? | 22:47 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, can you manage reading in the car? | 22:52 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: video.linuxfoundation.org | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: yeah, usually | 23:02 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, ah, congrats. Makes me carsick. | 23:02 |
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| andre__ | does anybody know whether there are plans to publish also conference videos from Wednesday? | 23:18 |
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| markey | hey folks | 23:29 |
| markey | is there any way to get IdeaPads or similar devices for developing a MeeGo port? we need them for Amarok | 23:29 |
| markey | (preferrably without paying a lot of cash) | 23:29 |
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| Venemo | markey: there is a MeeGo device program being organized | 23:32 |
| Venemo | markey: for this exact purpose | 23:32 |
| Venemo | markey: although I don't know what its current state is | 23:33 |
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| markey | Venemo: very cool, thanks for the info | 23:35 |
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| jonnor | markey: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program | 23:36 |
| jonnor | markey: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-December/002709.html | 23:37 |
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| markey | jonnor: thanks! :) | 23:50 |
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| CosmoHill | jonnor: what does "tbd" stand for? | 23:58 |
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| CosmoHill | also shouldn't all bullet points begin with a capital letter? | 23:58 |
| jonnor | CosmoHill: to be discussed I presume | 23:58 |
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| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: what does tbd mean? | 23:58 |
| DawnFoster | to be determined | 23:58 |
| CosmoHill | thank you | 23:58 |
| CosmoHill | I plan to clear the page up a bit if that's okay? | 23:59 |
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