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| lcuk | are there many http://www.newscientist.com/gallery/dn16170-snowflakes/1 falling near you guys tonight? | 00:34 |
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| vgrade | seen enough of the snow this week in .de | 00:46 |
| CosmoHill | on the german interweb? | 00:46 |
| vgrade | tickets for the emirates tomorrow so hope it stays clear | 00:46 |
| vgrade | no, was in Koln | 00:47 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | vgrade: have you put your meego joggler onto the onboard flash? | 00:48 |
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| vgrade | TSCHAKeee2, not that brave. I've already have one U/S Joggler (my sons friend plugged in the wrong PSU cable) don't want another one | 00:52 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | awww...are they still selling the things? | 00:52 |
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| * TSCHAKeee2 just wants his orbiter software running on the device..that's it | 00:53 | |
| vgrade | not seen any mention of them apart from a few popping up on ebay now and again | 00:53 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | could give two @$('ts bout the damned OpenPeak software | 00:53 |
| vgrade | googles orbiter | 00:53 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | vgrade: Orbiter is our (LinuxMCE) software for house wide remote control.. it runs on all our TVs, IP and cell phones, PDAs, tablets, etc. | 00:54 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | I have a Meego-booting Orbiter running on my Archos 9 at the moment...and am getting up the courage to blast the Joggler, so I can have a nightstand orbiter. | 00:55 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | vgrade: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9_UJbhollc <-- that | 00:57 |
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| CosmoHill | hey TSCHAKeee2 | 01:01 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | heya CosmoHill | 01:01 |
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| vgrade | cool, I remember talking to BaBu on the A9 a few months ago. Are you using EMGD 1.5 or the 1636 build? | 01:03 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | vgrade: i am using the latest one as of a couple months ago | 01:04 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | not the beta | 01:04 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | it had builds for meego 1.0 and fedora 12, in the most fucked up installer imaginable | 01:04 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | I have EVERYTHING working | 01:05 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | EXCEPT | 01:05 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | VA-API | 01:05 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | aaaagggghhhh | 01:05 |
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| vgrade | ah, yes I remember you mentioned that its built with an old lib which is not in core | 01:07 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | yup, xcb 1.0 of all things | 01:07 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | it boggles the mind | 01:07 |
| vgrade | do you have a ks file? | 01:07 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | yes, but it's a giant hack | 01:07 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | i'll post it when i do my next build pass this weekend | 01:07 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | i literally install emgd and the touch drivers in a post image build shell in mic | 01:08 |
| vgrade | thanks, some av500 was asking on #meego-arm | 01:08 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | oh ok :) | 01:08 |
| vgrade | night | 01:09 |
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| Venemo | hey guys, look what I've found: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66669 | 02:08 |
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| * lcuk applaudes Venemo_N900 for finding that link | 02:12 | |
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| Venemo | booted my Fedora to get MeeGo on my N810 | 02:15 |
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| Venemo | lcuk: hm. 0 peers are seeding the MeeGo rootfs :( | 02:23 |
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| CosmoHill | why not download it from a mirror? | 02:26 |
| lcuk | Venemo, not wise mechanism for distribution, CosmoHill is 100% right | 02:26 |
| Venemo | can you give me a mirror? | 02:26 |
| Venemo | will it be the same rootfs as required by this? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66669 | 02:27 |
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| Venemo | please guys :) | 02:28 |
| Venemo | CosmoHill: could you please point me to that mirror? | 02:28 |
| CosmoHill | the meego rootfs is just a blank link | 02:29 |
| Venemo | yes, because he recommends to get it via torrent, and there's a .torrent link | 02:29 |
| CosmoHill | I see no reason why the official meego rootfs should be a torrent | 02:30 |
| Venemo | CosmoHill: I guess the guy didn't know about the official one | 02:30 |
| Venemo | CosmoHill: could you please point me to the official meego rootfs? | 02:30 |
| CosmoHill | start here: http://meego.com/ | 02:31 |
| CosmoHill | I'll race you | 02:31 |
| CosmoHill | I win | 02:31 |
| CosmoHill | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 | 02:31 |
| Venemo | thx | 02:31 |
| CosmoHill | I think this is the rootfs, not being a n900 owner I wouldn't know | 02:32 |
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| Venemo | hm, this is not about an N900... | 02:32 |
| CosmoHill | I mean the n900 is the only officially supported meego device | 02:33 |
| CosmoHill | you're putting the n900 rootfs onto the n810 or whatever device you have? | 02:33 |
| Venemo | CosmoHill: nope, I'm not | 02:34 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm | 02:35 |
| Venemo | CosmoHill: found the right file | 02:35 |
| CosmoHill | I don;t think the rootfs I linked to you will work | 02:35 |
| Venemo | CosmoHill: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/meego-n8x0/ | 02:35 |
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| CosmoHill | ah that would make sense | 02:35 |
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| Venemo | it's quite slow, but downloading | 02:36 |
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| CosmoHill | hold on | 02:36 |
| CosmoHill | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/meego-n8x0/meego-arm-n8x0-1.0.80.20100712.1431-sda.raw.bz2 | 02:36 |
| CosmoHill | that file? | 02:36 |
| Venemo | seems so, but the tutorial mentions the other one | 02:37 |
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| Venemo | meego-1.0-arm-n8x0-201005270252-sda.raw.bz2 | 02:37 |
| Venemo | not sure what the difference may be | 02:38 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: ping | 02:38 |
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| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/n8x0/ | 02:39 |
| CosmoHill | enjoy | 02:39 |
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| Venemo | well thx, but I'm already downloading from Stskeeps's site | 02:41 |
| CosmoHill | you're in america right? | 02:41 |
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| Venemo | no | 02:42 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: I gave you a US mirror for your n8x0 rootfs and kernels | 02:42 |
| Venemo | :) | 02:42 |
| CosmoHill | fyi it's 2:43am for him | 02:43 |
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| Venemo | right | 02:44 |
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| Venemo | it's just 01:44 here | 02:44 |
| Venemo | well he'll read this tomorrow then | 02:44 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, Stskeeps Venemo - would be more practical to have an official hosting method | 02:48 |
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| Venemo | agreed lcuk | 02:50 |
| CosmoHill | I basically provide a private mirror for anyone who says they can't download from the meego website | 02:51 |
| Venemo | lcuk, should my PC recognize the N810 when it's powered off? | 02:51 |
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| Termana | morning | 02:55 |
| Venemo | morning Termana | 02:55 |
| Venemo | lcuk: plus, this file seems to be from may, it would need an update | 02:56 |
| CosmoHill | I'd imagine Stskeeps is pretty busy | 02:56 |
| Venemo | I could do it if he told me how to | 02:57 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, yeah plus its start of his holidays | 02:59 |
| lcuk | but if people are hacking enough and preparing documentaiton and instructions for meego on dfferent devices we should find a way to make it as easy as possible to experiement | 03:00 |
| lcuk | Venemo, no | 03:01 |
| Venemo | hmpfh | 03:01 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:11 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:11 |
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| joppu | >Currently the QEMU emulator only works for IA targets on 32-bit Windows. If you are using 64-bit Windows, QEMU is not available. | 13:40 |
| joppu | oh dear... | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | on linux too, though | 13:41 |
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| joppu | 32bit OS's are so 2001 | 13:43 |
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| alterego | I should probably write a test suite for this app soon | 13:57 |
| alterego | As the funtionality is starting to become more complete and I can see me revising the db schema. | 13:57 |
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| Venemo | hi guys | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 14:29 |
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| Venemo | good morning Stskeeps :) | 14:29 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: just a quick question, are the MeeGo images here intended to run from an external SD card, or can they be made to work from the eMMC of the N810? http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/meego-n8x0/ | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | sd card, kernel doesn't like the n810 emmc atm | 14:38 |
| Venemo | :( | 14:38 |
| Venemo | can I help in asking the kernel to like it? | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | check if the openwrt kernel has it | 14:39 |
| Venemo | can't we copy from Diablo's kernel? | 14:41 |
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| Stskeeps | 2.6.21 vs .35/.36, not really :) | 14:42 |
| * MohammadAG copied the lp5233 driver :P | 14:43 | |
| Venemo | okay | 14:43 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: a bit of googling led me to this: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-kernel/2010/8/8/4604531/thread#mid-4604531 quote: "Tested on N810. Integrated eMMC on N810 started to work with this patch." | 14:44 |
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| Stskeeps | heh :) didn't know jhnikula was working on n810 stuff | 14:45 |
| Venemo | here is the full message with follow-ups:http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-kernel/2010/8/8/4604531 there's some code in the [2/2] message too | 14:46 |
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| Stskeeps | i'll honestly say i haven't done enough n8x0 work lately, n900's been taking up a lot of tme | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | time | 14:47 |
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| Venemo | no problem :) | 14:49 |
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| Venemo | but the N810 seems to be a nice development machine for MeeGo if I don't want to sacrifice my phone | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | after we have armv7hl hardfp going, i plan to have my machine at my dads chew on armv6vhl :P | 14:50 |
| Termana | nom nom | 14:51 |
| Termana | sorry couldn't resist :p | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | as i know how to a proper port now | 14:52 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: I was told that N8x0 hw is also capable of hardfp, is that right? | 14:53 |
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| Stskeeps | it is | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 14:53 |
| Venemo | and how much of an improvement can we expect from harfp? | 14:53 |
| Venemo | hardfp* | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | i hope it'll help qt a lot :P | 14:53 |
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| Venemo | does it have that much fp calculations? | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | well, or just passing of float values | 14:54 |
| Venemo | how come that this feature hasn't been utilized my any version of Maemo btw? | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | i think there was first really proper support in gcc4.5 | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | and there was an issue with binary compat with what everyone else uses | 14:55 |
| Venemo | so if I compile with a compiler that supports hardfp, it won't work together with stuff that doesn't support it yet? | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | pretty much | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | it's ABI incompatible | 14:57 |
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| Stskeeps | you pass floating point values in the VFP registers, not in integer registers | 14:57 |
| dehyde | morning, anyone here? | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 14:57 |
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| Venemo | morning dehyde | 14:57 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: understandable then | 14:58 |
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| dehyde | I'm having some trouble loading meego from USB | 14:58 |
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| dehyde | I get "mount: / not mounted already, or bad option" | 14:59 |
| dehyde | and then its just stuck =\ | 14:59 |
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| dehyde | has anyone encountered this problem in the past? | 15:00 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I dd'd the meego image to a MicroSD card. I inserted it to the N900. now I load the MeeGo kernel to it with Flasher, but instead of MeeGo, Maemo boots up. what did I do wrong? | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | dehyde: no sorry | 15:07 |
| Venemo | ok, I was using -R instead of -b. now it boots | 15:07 |
| Venemo | now a console appears on an unilluminated N900 display, and it gets stuck | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | give it a little time and remember to put your backcover on.. | 15:08 |
| Venemo | it is on | 15:08 |
| Venemo | VFD: Cannot open root device "mmcblk0p1" | 15:09 |
| Venemo | VFS* | 15:10 |
| Venemo | hm | 15:10 |
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| Stskeeps | how did you dd it? | 15:10 |
| Venemo | 'bzcat meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.10.20101214.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 | pv | sudo dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sdc1' | 15:11 |
| Venemo | maybe I did mistype something | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that's your problem | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | should be sdc, not sdc1 | 15:12 |
| Venemo | oh... okay :) | 15:12 |
| Venemo | will try again then | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | it's a full image with partitions and all | 15:13 |
| Venemo | ok | 15:13 |
| Venemo | now I see this among the instructions as well | 15:15 |
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| Venemo | okay | 15:17 |
| Venemo | the result is the same | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | sfdisk /dev/sdc (after putting sd card back again) | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | and make sure before you dd that nothing is mounted from /dev/sdc | 15:20 |
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| Venemo | how can I check if it is mounted? | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | 'moun | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | t | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | ' | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:21 |
| Venemo | umount /dev/sdc and umount /dev/sdc1 says it isn't moundted | 15:21 |
| CosmoHill | mount | grep sdc | 15:21 |
| Venemo | no output | 15:22 |
| Venemo | meaning, it is indeed not mounted | 15:22 |
| CosmoHill | then it's not mounted | 15:22 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: did you get my message about the US mirror? | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: yes, but it's already in the US | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:23 |
| CosmoHill | I can take it down if you want | 15:23 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: what should I do with fsdisk? | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: sfdisk -l /dev/sdc i mean | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | see if there's actually three partitions as intended | 15:23 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: http://fpaste.org/kP44/ | 15:23 |
| Venemo | seems to me that something is not okay | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's not right | 15:24 |
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| Stskeeps | bzip2 -dc *.raw.bz2 > /dev/sdc works for me | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | make sure nothing's mounted as usual | 15:24 |
| Venemo | bzip2 -dc meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.10.20101214.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 > /dev/sdc ? | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | right | 15:25 |
| Venemo | okay | 15:25 |
| Venemo | trying it right now | 15:25 |
| Venemo | btw, does this image have the hardfp stuff yet, or not? | 15:26 |
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| Stskeeps | no | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | will be a january thing | 15:32 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: http://fpaste.org/7OMp/ | 15:32 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: and here's the sfdisk output, http://fpaste.org/OS4u/ | 15:33 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: how big is that sd card? | 15:34 |
| Venemo | 2 GB | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | might not be big enough | 15:35 |
| Venemo | huh | 15:36 |
| Venemo | is MeeGo really this much bigger than Maemo? | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | it's a little fatter, yes, but keep in mind we don't have a emmc to dump content to | 15:36 |
| Venemo | yep, I get it | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | we're dragging it fairly close to what some sd card makers call '2gb' which is actually a little lower than needed | 15:37 |
| Venemo | mhm | 15:38 |
| Venemo | well I don't have another SD card, so I guess I'll try it later then | 15:39 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: thx for your help | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | np | 15:41 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: this issue btw leads to another question, will the size of the N810's eMMC be enough? | 15:44 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 15:50 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: dunno yet | 15:50 |
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| ilija1981 | Hello, just following news for meego:) | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | welcome | 16:26 |
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| mickeyl | hi folks. anyone used the phonet passthrough mode on n900 yet? | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | on meego-n900? | 16:29 |
| mickeyl | e.g. | 16:29 |
| mickeyl | i have problems getting modem answers here | 16:29 |
| mickeyl | with maemo it answers, with our stack not | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | so, i'll have to ask what's phonet passthrough mode and i might be able to ask :P | 16:29 |
| mickeyl | ah | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | do you use ofono? that has a pretty decent solution | 16:30 |
| mickeyl | yes and no | 16:30 |
| mickeyl | the problem is one layer below | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | kernel version? | 16:30 |
| mickeyl | 2.6.28 here. we send ISI commands from the host to the device which appear on the device, but the device doesn't answer | 16:30 |
| mickeyl | so there might be a missing link between upnlink0 and phonet0 | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | ah, no clue, we're on .35-36 in meego-n900 | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | and host being? | 16:31 |
| mickeyl | a PC | 16:31 |
| mickeyl | something connected to the device via USB | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | i thought only pnatd was attached and rest's just flasher stuff answering | 16:32 |
| mickeyl | right, pnatd is for emulating an AT command set and using /dev/ttyACM0 | 16:32 |
| mickeyl | we're trying to communicate with the natural protocol | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | right | 16:32 |
| mickeyl | i.e. ISI | 16:32 |
| mickeyl | which is what ofono does as well | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | through usb, too? | 16:33 |
| mickeyl | yes | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, ok | 16:33 |
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| mickeyl | only that we have problems configuring the n900 side | 16:33 |
| mickeyl | when we're not running the stock os | 16:33 |
| mickeyl | so since you're not running the stock os either i thought i'd ask here :) | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | well, we're running ofono and later kernels, so ;) | 16:33 |
| * Stskeeps doesn't really understand why people stay on .28.. | 16:34 | |
| mickeyl | hmm, according to my developers, there's some crucial parts missing | 16:34 |
| mickeyl | DVFS was one keyword, though i don't know what that is | 16:34 |
| mickeyl | anyways | 16:35 |
| mickeyl | it's not the kernel version | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | at least basic PM's in .36 or .37 i believe, we have it working now i believe | 16:35 |
| smoku | X-Fade, is there a delay between building a package on OBS and publishing it to my home repo? | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | i don't know enough about the closed modem stack sadly, so wouldn't know what to answer :) | 16:35 |
| mickeyl | ok, thanks anyways | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: it publishes when the repo's build cycle is over | 16:35 |
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| dehyde | ahoy! | 16:36 |
| smoku | Stskeeps, which repo? mine? I have no builds in progress ATM | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: check status page for publisher status | 16:36 |
| dehyde | anybody wants to help a complete noob? | 16:36 |
| dehyde | <--- (a complete noob) | 16:36 |
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| dehyde | meego won't boot/install from USB | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | what device? | 16:38 |
| dehyde | eeepc 1201n | 16:38 |
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| Stskeeps | does it have an atom processor? | 16:38 |
| dehyde | core2duo | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | what gfx chip? | 16:39 |
| dehyde | ION | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | ah, so nvidia | 16:39 |
| dehyde | yah | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | meego doesn't support nvidia out of the box, sorry | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | the drivers are closed source, so | 16:39 |
| dehyde | agh damn | 16:40 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps, https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=home%3Asmoku%3Aarchos looks ok | 16:40 |
| dehyde | how come ubuntu manage to support nVidia? | 16:40 |
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| Stskeeps | dehyde: they have something that works as base and then offers to download closed source drivers | 16:41 |
| dehyde | ah.. ok | 16:42 |
| dehyde | which gfx card does meego support? | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | mostly intel's stuff, excepting gma50 | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | 0 | 16:42 |
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| dehyde | well.. thanks stskeeps! | 16:44 |
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| patrakov | hi. I have installed meego to my n900 | 17:38 |
| patrakov | attempted to connect to my home wireless network, but mistyped the password | 17:39 |
| patrakov | how to erase that wrong connection? | 17:39 |
| patrakov | does meego support wpa2 at all? | 17:42 |
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| erstazi | patrakov: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=221 << about WPA2, read post #5 | 17:46 |
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| patrakov | the ssid is not hidden | 17:47 |
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| timoph | does it show in /var/lib/connman/default.profile | 17:49 |
| patrakov | is it to me? | 17:50 |
| timoph | yep | 17:50 |
| erstazi | patrakov: yeah, connman is what handles wifi | 17:50 |
| patrakov | can't check now - the whole interface crashes, reflashed back to the default kernel | 17:51 |
| erstazi | patrakov: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-August/004603.html << in regards to ConnMan and WPA2 (albeit WPA2 Enterprise) | 17:51 |
| timoph | patrakov: you can connect to it from your linux box through usb network | 17:52 |
| patrakov | erstazi: are you saying that the problem is just in the gui-based configurator? | 17:52 |
| patrakov | (btw, I have only WPA2 PSK here, not Enterprise) | 17:52 |
| timoph | connect the usb cable and set usb0 interface from pc something like 'sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 up' | 17:53 |
| timoph | the device's ip through usb is 192.168.2.15 | 17:54 |
| timoph | root's password should be meego | 17:54 |
| patrakov | timoph: ok | 17:54 |
| patrakov | will do so after figuring out the easy way to dual-boot maemo and meego (now using flasher to switch kernels, as u-boot didn't work for me) | 17:55 |
| timoph | k | 17:55 |
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| patrakov | installed uboot-pr13 | 17:58 |
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| patrakov | "unable to read uimage from mmc0:3" - what does it mean, and where should I copy uimage? | 17:59 |
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| smoku | :/ my obs repo is still missing :/ | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | publish flag on? | 19:00 |
| smoku | yes | 19:00 |
| smoku | i even have a truck icon beside armv7el succeeded: 2 | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | then it really should have been published | 19:01 |
| smoku | home:smoku:streak is published, home:smoku:archos is not :/ | 19:02 |
| smoku | http://repo.pub.meego.com//home:/smoku:/ | 19:02 |
| smoku | is "Build Service" in bugzilla the internal OBS? | 19:04 |
| smoku | it assigns to anas.nashif@intel.com so I guess so... | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | that's internal obs | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | poke lbt and x-fade | 19:04 |
| lbt | pong | 19:05 |
| smoku | lbt, hi. could you help me with my OBS issue? | 19:06 |
| lbt | mmm | 19:06 |
| lbt | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10918 | 19:06 |
| lbt | (FYI) | 19:06 |
| lbt | so what's up smoku ? | 19:06 |
| smoku | lbt, priv. (let's not trash the chan) | 19:07 |
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| smoku | or you don't like priv? | 19:07 |
| lbt | well, more people see and learn if we stay in chan | 19:07 |
| lbt | and it's certainly on-topic :) | 19:08 |
| smoku | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Asmoku%3Aarchos has two repositories published | 19:08 |
| smoku | but there is no http://repo.pub.meego.com//home:/smoku:/archos/ | 19:08 |
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| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=home%3Asmoku%3Aarchos says they're published | 19:09 |
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| lbt | rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1515) [sender=3.0.6] | 19:14 |
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| smoku | lbt, that looks baaaad | 19:20 |
| lbt | it's not 'good' | 19:20 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: my neighbour needs to take a running start to get his car on the drive way | 19:25 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, o_O | 19:26 |
| CosmoHill | cos of the snow | 19:26 |
| lcuk | i saw a video a couple of days ago about someone trying that | 19:26 |
| lcuk | then sliding back down | 19:26 |
| CosmoHill | if he had a new car with this new fangled traction control and weighed more he'd be fine | 19:26 |
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| smoku | more weight should suffice ;-) | 19:30 |
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| CosmoHill | he has a 1981 BWM 318i | 19:30 |
| CosmoHill | *320i | 19:30 |
| CosmoHill | so not much weight | 19:30 |
| Mat_Matan | BMW sux | 19:33 |
| Mat_Matan | best car ever is Fiat 126p | 19:33 |
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| CosmoHill | he bought it brand new | 19:34 |
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| berndhs | for snow you simply want weight on the drive axle | 19:37 |
| CosmoHill | yep, my point being that older cars are lighter | 19:38 |
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| berndhs | put a keg of beer in the trunk :) | 19:40 |
| CosmoHill | that's just what you want the police to find in there | 19:40 |
| DangerMaus | older cars lighter ? in what country | 19:40 |
| CosmoHill | europe :) | 19:40 |
| DangerMaus | ahh | 19:40 |
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| berndhs | newer european cars are smaller on the inside and larger outside | 19:41 |
| berndhs | lots of padding and electronics and stuff to improve and lengthen your life | 19:41 |
| CosmoHill | damn predestine safety | 19:41 |
| DangerMaus | same here in the us the walls got thicker | 19:42 |
| DangerMaus | more metal in the sides | 19:42 |
| berndhs | but drivers are so isolated from the car, they don't know whats going on | 19:42 |
| DangerMaus | and roof pillars | 19:42 |
| CosmoHill | berndhs: you mean fly by wire? | 19:42 |
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| DangerMaus | so true they are driving more aloof than ever | 19:42 |
| berndhs | yes, that and sound insulation | 19:43 |
| berndhs | cant feel or hear what it does | 19:43 |
| DangerMaus | my pickup is fly by wore | 19:43 |
| DangerMaus | wire | 19:43 |
| berndhs | until you hit something :) | 19:43 |
| DangerMaus | yepyep and a chevy minivan dont make much sound till it lands | 19:44 |
| CosmoHill | my car was made in 1995, carboretta (or however you spell it) :) | 19:44 |
| berndhs | any good ? | 19:44 |
| CosmoHill | yeah I think it's cool | 19:44 |
| CosmoHill | brakes haven't worked properly since they changed them at the dealer ship in 2001 but it stops :) | 19:45 |
| berndhs | "cool" and "any good" are not necessarily the same thing :) | 19:45 |
| DangerMaus | ha | 19:45 |
| CosmoHill | it's lowish and doesn't roll much :) | 19:45 |
| CosmoHill | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Almera#N15_.281995.E2.80.932000.29 | 19:46 |
| berndhs | i had a 66 mustang and a 79 chevy monza, both cool but terrible | 19:46 |
| CosmoHill | I can imagine that if I'm ever in an accident, the airbag will go off WHILST I'm trying to get out of the car | 19:56 |
| berndhs | yeah, but then you will be sure it worked | 19:57 |
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| lbt | smoku: done | 20:02 |
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| smoku | lbt, thanks :) | 20:04 |
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| dm8tbr | smoku: lbt's got a point there. I just set up - for now only testing - an internal OBS for my employer. :) | 20:05 |
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| lbt | FYI dm8tbr this was bs_publish ... so the /srv/obs/log/publisher.log on the backend complained. The issue seems to be that rsync using a module needs a 'blank' passwd to be entered | 20:07 |
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| lbt | I don't know why this changed... must ask X-Fade sometime | 20:08 |
| lbt | food ... bbl8r | 20:08 |
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| * dm8tbr tries to memorize | 20:08 | |
| dm8tbr | enjoy | 20:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | andre__: who do i poke to get stale bugs poked? e.g. bug 2644 | 20:56 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2644 nor, Low, ---, peter.j.zhu, NEW, post-build-checks-1.0.tar.bz2 contains patches which is a symlink outside of the tarball root direct | 20:56 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, same as in every other bugtracker | 20:56 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: in bugs.maemo.org you + qgil were the people to poke | 20:57 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: bug assignee, people are too spread in too many companies for anyone to poke them in a hard manner | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | usually bumping the issue or a direct mail works | 20:58 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i find generally bumping someone at the right company works | 20:58 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't like being forced to be seen as the bad guy by directly spamming people | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | meh, it's a community, send one :) | 20:58 |
| * timeless_mbp would rather andre__ or qgil be seen as the bad guy | 20:58 | |
| * Stskeeps does that, personally | 20:58 | |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | "don't be that guy" | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:58 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, I'm not somebody to poke in MeeGo. ;-) | 21:00 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: isn't it great? :> | 21:00 |
| andre__ | Yeah, but I'm afraid it won't remain like this ;-) | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 21:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | heh | 21:03 |
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| lcuk | lbt, ping | 21:24 |
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| lbt | lcuk: pong | 21:24 |
| lcuk | \o hey | 21:24 |
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| lbt | o/ ho | 21:25 |
| lcuk | i have something thats rolling around my head, i keep trying to write a mail to -dev but cannot word it correctly | 21:25 |
| lcuk | its relating to package repositories and the difference in the way debian does it | 21:25 |
| lcuk | (after learning about debian repositories in detail in recent months) | 21:25 |
| lcuk | what would be a blocker to using debian repository format style (with all packages in a single pool and releases based on those) | 21:26 |
| lbt | hehe | 21:26 |
| lcuk | whilst retaining rpm obviously | 21:26 |
| lbt | I gently proposed that to the re team in dublin | 21:26 |
| lcuk | good :) | 21:27 |
| lbt | the point then was to ease replication | 21:27 |
| lbt | but the problem is that making meego images is "too hard" | 21:28 |
| lcuk | yeah | 21:28 |
| lbt | ie too many numpties | 21:28 |
| lcuk | but the too hard part is a different level to how the repositories are laid out? | 21:28 |
| lbt | correct... | 21:28 |
| lbt | what would be the benefit though ? | 21:28 |
| lcuk | so much less folder tree duplication | 21:29 |
| lcuk | and confusion as to exactly which build was gotten? | 21:29 |
| lbt | yeah ... but, TBH, I'm not sure it's worth spending time on | 21:30 |
| lcuk | sure | 21:30 |
| lbt | the core release team don't seem to be very accessible | 21:30 |
| lcuk | its just food for thought and whether any alternatives can be brought up from it | 21:31 |
| lbt | so even if a solution was found *I* feel it likely that it'd be hard to gain traction | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i think peter/rolla/chris/etc are basically it, so they're able to be talked to | 21:31 |
| lbt | there's a lot that could be done | 21:31 |
| lcuk | lbt, thankfully with a community | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | at least according to the notes i see laying about | 21:32 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I guess I just don't see any discussion on anything | 21:32 |
| lcuk | just because me, you or any of the teams are busy | 21:32 |
| lbt | as you mention in your recent email | 21:32 |
| lcuk | does not mean someone could come along with skills and knowledge to try :) | 21:32 |
| lbt | I guess it's all private email with no ml cc | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: well, this isn't stuff i've picked up on CC, it's actually been from wiki | 21:32 |
| lbt | lcuk: completely agree | 21:32 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: so where was the discussion (if any) before it went to the wiki? | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: well, i was more talking about how images are generated and so on rather | 21:33 |
| lbt | again, I'm prepared to acept that I have quite poor vis at the minute | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | so i'm talking about that those people are possible to talk to :P | 21:33 |
| lbt | *nod* ... just feeling cynical :) | 21:33 |
| * Chani blinks | 21:33 | |
| Stskeeps | and meego-releases@ has a decent amount of content and occasional arguments | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:33 |
| lbt | I can only be bothered to work on things where I have some power to make stuff happen | 21:34 |
| Chani | am I the only one having trouble telling lbt and lcuk apart? :) | 21:34 |
| lbt | Chani: yes | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | Chani: lcuk smokes, lbt doesn't | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:34 |
| lcuk | Chani, i am the better looking :P | 21:34 |
| Chani | haha | 21:34 |
| lcuk | lbt has curly hair and no beard also | 21:34 |
| * lbt has a beard | 21:34 | |
| lbt | today | 21:34 |
| lcuk | proto beard :P | 21:34 |
| lbt | working from home does that ;) | 21:34 |
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| lcuk | heh | 21:35 |
| lbt | but... I just found that the OBS publisher is still broken ... bbiab | 21:35 |
| lcuk | \o | 21:35 |
| lcuk | lbt, I will add some of these notes potentially to that draft mail and put it onto -dev ML? | 21:36 |
| lbt | make sure you look to the objectives | 21:36 |
| lcuk | ok | 21:36 |
| lbt | and how it works for mirrors | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i'm personally unconvinced of benefits of it, because i only see negative things atm | 21:37 |
| lbt | one problem is that you'd need to mirror and then run a script | 21:37 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, yeah, its just fodder | 21:37 |
| * Stskeeps personally likes being able to mirror just-one meego release with one rsync command.. | 21:37 | |
| lcuk | at least looking for a way to reduce the duplication | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:37 |
| * lcuk nods | 21:37 | |
| lbt | I think that it may be worth having a pool to allow high traffic mirrors | 21:37 |
| lbt | if it lives in a different space | 21:38 |
| lbt | kernel.org are slightly unhappy with how much disk we're eating | 21:38 |
| lbt | and we hit our bandwidth limits on release days which hurt | 21:38 |
| lbt | maybe look at jigdo | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that explains why daily images are on download.meego.com/ | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | (kernel.org) | 21:39 |
| lbt | and our images are *very* tricky to distribute efficiently | 21:39 |
| lbt | and we need QA to be sure they have the correct one (not some random image) | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | torrents ;) | 21:40 |
| lbt | Intel politics say "no" | 21:40 |
| lcuk | only if seeded from official sources. | 21:40 |
| lbt | <rolleyes> | 21:40 |
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| lbt | lcuk: Now that could be a good one to propose ... | 21:41 |
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| cco3 | In "Booting MeeGo Handset Image", http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900 will I have to do this everytime I poweron/power off the device? | 22:10 |
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| Stskeeps | cco3: yes, it's a way to avoid destroying your maemo installation :) | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | each time you want to boot into meego | 22:12 |
| cco3 | right... | 22:13 |
| cco3 | Power on/off doesn't happen often usually right? | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | there's an alternative where you put in a sd card, if it's bootable (has meego) it boots it | 22:13 |
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| cco3 | oh, where can I get instructions for that? | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot | 22:13 |
| cco3 | thanks | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | please read all the warnings and understand them :) | 22:14 |
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| lcuk | Two guys walk into a bar, the third one ducks. | 22:40 |
| lcuk | damn, wrong channel, that was meant for #meego-bar | 22:40 |
| Bostik | cheers for that | 22:41 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 22:41 |
| CosmoHill | that was an advert | 22:41 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, o rly? | 22:41 |
| lcuk | why would it be an advert for #meego-bar? | 22:41 |
| CosmoHill | cos it was funny | 22:42 |
| CosmoHill | which implies there is more fun in that channel | 22:42 |
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| lcuk | well I could tell barroom jokes here all night | 22:42 |
| GAN900 | False advertising! | 22:42 |
| Bostik | hmh, this is perhaps slightly off-topic but would anyone happen to know where I could get a _reasonably_ priced small monitor with DVI/HDMI input? | 22:43 |
| Bostik | I'd need one for pandaboard consoles... | 22:43 |
| lcuk | A mushroom walks into a bar and the bartender says "We don't serve your kind here." and the mushroom says - "Why not? I'm a fungi." | 22:43 |
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| shikamaru | hello there | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | wello | 22:45 |
| shikamaru | lo Stskeeps | 22:45 |
| shikamaru | may be an overasked question but | 22:45 |
| shikamaru | where is the source for http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 22:46 |
| shikamaru | ? | 22:46 |
| lcuk | shikamaru, coming | 22:46 |
| lcuk | the official cleaned up patches are in review | 22:46 |
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| Stskeeps | shikamaru: flasher? | 22:46 |
| lcuk | and are being integrated correctly as we speak | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | or which | 22:46 |
| lcuk | (well, barring weekend drunkness | 22:46 |
| shikamaru | yup, Stskeeps, apparently it’s need to boot meego on a n900, following the instructions on http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900 | 22:47 |
| shikamaru | s/need/needed/ | 22:47 |
| infobot | shikamaru meant: yup, Stskeeps, apparently it’s needed to boot meego on a n900, following the instructions on http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900 | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | shikamaru: well, that or use uboot-pr13 package and newer 1.2 images or the ones on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php | 22:47 |
| shikamaru | mmh looks like rbot with the sed plugin :) | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | flasher's closed source currently | 22:48 |
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| shikamaru | Stskeeps: thanks for the pointer ! | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | if that's changing, i don't know, can only hope.. | 22:48 |
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| shikamaru | I’d rather avoid using flasher then :) | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | up to you, uboot-pr13 uses a closed binary on device too ;) | 22:49 |
| shikamaru | anyway, I can’t as it assumes you’re using a 32bits system ;) | 22:49 |
| shikamaru | I’d rather use uboot :) | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough | 22:49 |
| shikamaru | I’ve already seen it an maemo’s repository | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot | 22:50 |
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| shikamaru | thanks a lot lcuk and Stskeeps | 22:53 |
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| berndhs | for all the young people in computing, I recommend a second career | 23:04 |
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| berndhs | plenty of time while you are installing software and waiting | 23:05 |
| shikamaru | :) | 23:07 |
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| shikamaru | http://xkcd.com/303/ | 23:08 |
| CosmoHill | shikamaru: I had that in my mind when I was doing my assignment | 23:09 |
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| * lbt kicks the OBS in the nuts.... really hard.... twice | 23:14 | |
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| * Stskeeps passes lbt a good cider | 23:14 | |
| lbt | <mutter> the code in there is a mess in some places | 23:15 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: not only the code, not only that... | 23:17 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: you muttering or are you talking about mutter? | 23:17 |
| * lbt glares | 23:18 | |
| CosmoHill | eep | 23:18 |
| CosmoHill | maybe both? | 23:18 |
| lbt | no, nothing to do with mutter | 23:18 |
| lbt | smoku: let me know if you have any repo publish issues | 23:19 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: have I got news for you is on bbc2 btw | 23:20 |
| * lbt unglares CosmoHill | 23:21 | |
| CosmoHill | :3 | 23:21 |
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| lcuk | A kangaroo walks into a bar. He orders a beer. The bartender says, "That'll be $10. You know, we don't get many kangaroos coming in here, you know." The kangaroo says, "At $10 a beer, it's not hard to understand." | 23:37 |
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| lcuk | oooh interesting | 23:51 |
| lcuk | http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/12/18/211222/Join-a-Worldwide-Planet-Search | 23:51 |
| shikamaru | mmh sorry, what’s the difference between the demo and mod image ? | 23:57 |
| shikamaru | (that’s not on the page with instructions, nor in the README) | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | demo has new sgx drivers and isn't as slow as mod | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:58 |
| shikamaru | that’s the only difference ? then I’ll try that one (downloaded both) | 23:58 |
| shikamaru | anyway, I guess the SD card will be the main bottleneck anyway | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but sgx too ;) | 23:59 |
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