| thiago_home | the only available installs are what you see | 00:00 |
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| thiago_home | the source must be somewhere, but I have no clue where | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | dagger, there are people hacking through the undergrowth on numerous distros to ensure both sdk and components work in their distro. afaik they are documenting it as they go, since they are afterall trailblzers! | 00:04 |
| lcuk | go ask on the channels around your specific distro if you know others who are trying :) | 00:05 |
| dagger | lcuk: I don't know any dev who's trying, not sure about users though | 00:05 |
| dagger | (on my distro that is) | 00:05 |
| * thiago_home would be satisfied with a generic package, like dagger is asking for | 00:06 | |
| lcuk | which distro is that specifically? | 00:06 |
| dagger | gentoo | 00:06 |
| thiago_home | I ended up downloading the SUSE files, installing with rpm --force, then uninstalling --justdb | 00:06 |
| lcuk | hmm | 00:06 |
| lcuk | hold on | 00:06 |
| lcuk | i shall dig, afaik theres a few folks from there trying | 00:06 |
| dagger | we already have most SDK packages provided by default (qt-creatir). We can of course add the remaining parts (like madde) and toolchains (although gentoo does have great cross-toolchain creation tools) | 00:07 |
| dagger | qt-creator* | 00:07 |
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| thiago_home | indeed | 00:08 |
| thiago_home | I built my own creator and my own Qt | 00:08 |
| Saviq | all, do you maybe have an explanation of this behavior with the N900 battery - when reflashed, clean, it lasted 4-5 days on light use, but when I added music, that dropped to about 2 days... | 00:08 |
| thiago_home | all I need are the sysroot and the toolchain | 00:08 |
| thiago_home | not even madde... | 00:08 |
| dagger | I would be happy to do it myself or talk to our Qt team, but I don't really know where to start yet | 00:08 |
| thiago_home | for the sysroot, you can use mic | 00:08 |
| Saviq | I'm thinking about maybe tracker being a bit aggressive on the CPU? maybe it shouldn't scan when on battery and not directly requested? | 00:09 |
| thiago_home | for the toolchain... you've just said you've got a good cross compilation suite in Gentoo | 00:09 |
| lcuk | it was a guy called berte in the -sdk channel | 00:09 |
| thiago_home | don't forget the x86 cross-compilation toolchain too | 00:09 |
| Saviq | hrm... that question probably belongs to #maemo anyway... sorry for that... | 00:09 |
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| Termana | morning | 00:10 |
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| vgrade | dm8tbr, we have a list of packages using SSSE3 instructions at, http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/nonSSSE3 | 00:10 |
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| thiago_home | vgrade: you do realise that every time any package is compiled, it can add or remove SSSE3, right? | 00:11 |
| vgrade | We have a script there which can be run against a new build | 00:11 |
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| dm8tbr | ah, ia32-qemu works with 3d acceleration also in virtualbox \o/ | 00:20 |
| dm8tbr | some assembly required | 00:20 |
| thiago_home | heh | 00:21 |
| thiago_home | do the instructions come in picture forms only? | 00:21 |
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| dm8tbr | what instructions? | 00:22 |
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| dm8tbr | hmm some stuff related to AIGLX seems isn't working. weird white flicker | 00:24 |
| dm8tbr | whoa, it crashes vbox... | 00:28 |
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| Speccy | Hi all, I have some problems with Meego 1.1 concerning Banshee | 00:33 |
| Speccy | It often crash, when trying to change the playing song | 00:34 |
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| probono | hi all. is anyone around who has used PortableLinuxApps on MeeGo? | 00:36 |
| Speccy | probono: I saw some posts on the web from som1 that did it | 00:37 |
| probono | i am working on proper desktop/menu integration | 00:38 |
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| TSCHAKeee | is anyone still trying to get EMGD working under MeeGo? I'm still trying to get the VA-API stuff working properly. | 01:36 |
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| lcuk_idea | TSCHAKeee, EMGD being the graphics driver stuff on joggler ? | 01:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | yeah, | 01:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | but am also using it on my Archos 9 work | 01:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | i've had to table it because Intel stupidly built the VA-API stuff against libxcb-1.0 | 01:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | which, there is no way to get that running under meego 1.0 or 1.1 | 01:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | as everybody uses a version of libxcb-1.2 | 01:38 |
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| lcuk_idea | TSCHAKeee, vgrade has most experience afaik | 01:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | yeah, I remember | 01:40 |
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| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, that one is on the back burner until the EMGD driver and MeeGo releases are made together | 02:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | ok | 02:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | i figured as much | 02:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: that one has reduced me to tears. | 02:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | I really want to bash the intel engineer's skull with a brick whoever did that one | 02:08 |
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| vgrade | There are a couple of Meego bugs raised which talk about an EMGD Update for 1.2 , Bugs 6863 and 8815 | 02:11 |
| lcuk | bug 6863 | 02:12 |
| lcuk | bug 8815 | 02:12 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6863 enh, Undecided, 1.1.80.10, joel.clark, ACCE, [FEA] Integrate EMGD 1.0 update kernel components | 02:12 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8815 enh, Undecided, 1.1.80.10, joel.clark, ACCE, [FEA] Integrate EMGD 1.0 Update user mode driver components | 02:12 |
| vgrade | There was also a post on the intel embedded website promising a release Q1 2011, http://embedded.communities.intel.com/thread/4755 | 02:12 |
| vgrade | but this is for 1.1. By the time its released we will be onto 1.2 | 02:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | gotcha | 02:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | i just want, whatever is released, to actually work | 02:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | that's it | 02:13 |
| vgrade | I don't see the problem getting these things synchronised | 02:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | me neither | 02:14 |
| TSCHAKeee | i smell sabotage, or really really really really shitty mgmt | 02:14 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's really sad, because Menlow/Poulsbo, etc.. were originally specc'ed by Intel to NOT run Windows | 02:14 |
| TSCHAKeee | they said when the chips were about to be released, that they were meant to run Linux or embedded OSes | 02:14 |
| TSCHAKeee | i think Microsoft took offense. | 02:15 |
| vgrade | until a load of netbook OEMs bought a load of boards from them | 02:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | sigh. | 02:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | i really like these chipsets | 02:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | they're early, but even at this early stage, they have some amazing capabilities | 02:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'd just like to use them | 02:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | I can pull about 6 hours of battery time out of my Archos 9 | 02:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | with MeeGo and my orbiter optimized all to hell | 02:16 |
| vgrade | yes, MeeGo on Joggler worked well | 02:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup, i will put it on mine very soon | 02:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | with the orbiter software | 02:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | i wonder how much longer until more OpenPeak hardware starts leaking onto the marketplace | 02:17 |
| CosmoHill | dammit, mum took my tea AND my mince pie | 02:20 |
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| harryhe | Who know how to invoke another application in one application? | 03:57 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: ping | 04:00 |
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| berndhs | harryhe: man 3 system, or Qt QProcess, or dbus | 04:02 |
| harryhe | Thanks, system and QProcess is not what I need since they need to know application path | 04:04 |
| berndhs | no they dont, they can search PATH | 04:04 |
| harryhe | for dbus, can I invoke one application to play a video without knowing its name and path | 04:04 |
| berndhs | anything a shell can find, you find with those | 04:04 |
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| berndhs | you can invoke some standard handlers with QDesktopService::openUrl | 04:05 |
| harryhe | most OS supports registering an application with specifiled mimetype, does meego support too? | 04:06 |
| berndhs | meego supports what linux supports | 04:06 |
| berndhs | depends what you mean by "most" | 04:06 |
| berndhs | you can run invoke xdg-open, it will know about some file types | 04:07 |
| harryhe | thanks, let me have a look | 04:08 |
| berndhs | if those are set up correctly, that is a user setup issue, not an OS issue | 04:08 |
| harryhe | yes, I thinks this should have been supported by meego platform, the issue is I don't know it, it should be platform capability | 04:10 |
| berndhs | the platform can't control how the user sets the mapping | 04:11 |
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| berndhs | if the user screws that up, there isn't much the OS can do | 04:11 |
| new_ | hi, all | 04:12 |
| new_ | just new be here, | 04:13 |
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| harryhe | "platform" should supports one standard way to invoke/register preferred applications, like the way of "intent" in android, or programmers will be confused | 04:15 |
| berndhs | are you confused already ? :) | 04:16 |
| harryhe | one small issue is, meego api page doesn't support searching | 04:16 |
| berndhs | why only 1 way to do things, that seems limiting | 04:16 |
| harryhe | Yes, I am new to meego, in trouble now, :) | 04:16 |
| harryhe | but I will get it out | 04:16 |
| berndhs | its not that hard, don't dispair :) | 04:17 |
| new_ | I have 1 stupid question, does Intel Moorestown (IMT SGX) graphics/video parts support well in Meego? or other linux distributions?I I cannot find more info after google it. | 04:18 |
| harryhe | sure, :) | 04:18 |
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| harryhe | QDesktoService supports "openUrl", but no regist like function found, who know how it works to find the application specifiled filetype? | 04:25 |
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| berndhs | nto sure, openUrl just calls xdg-open I think | 04:30 |
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| berndhs | so its whatever xdg-open wants to do with the file | 04:31 |
| berndhs | it doesnt have to be an http:// url, can be anything | 04:31 |
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| harryhe | thanks, I just found "xdg-mime default" can do this | 04:35 |
| harryhe | is there a meego API or QT QPI for such interface? | 04:35 |
| berndhs | oh probably | 04:36 |
| harryhe | requiring programmers to call "xdg-mime default" in code is not friendly, for stupid programmers like me | 04:36 |
| berndhs | I would jsut do it myself with system or QProcess | 04:36 |
| berndhs | hey look on the bright side, you will be really educated in a short time :) | 04:37 |
| harryhe | still far away to brightness | 04:40 |
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| berndhs | maybe, but soon you won't have to hang with the stupid kids any more, and have more fun | 04:41 |
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| harryhe | Is it possbile to develop on meego netbook directly | 07:49 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: pong | 07:55 |
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| harryhe | Is it possbile to develop on meego netbook directly | 08:00 |
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| araujo | harryhe, of course | 08:00 |
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| Sage__ | morning | 08:13 |
| Sage__ | dm8tbr: about the images, the release management wants image files to be compressed with .bz2 IIRC. They do not want to use .tar.bz2 because then people would not be able to read logs and see packages lists before uncompressing. | 08:14 |
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| dm8tbr | Sage__: um so yeah, why is it a tar.bz2 then? | 08:15 |
| dm8tbr | oh and huomenta | 08:16 |
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| Sage__ | dm8tbr: where? | 08:19 |
| Sage__ | so .tar.bz and .bz2 both together? | 08:19 |
| dm8tbr | yes | 08:19 |
| dm8tbr | matroska style | 08:19 |
| dm8tbr | let me find you the link | 08:20 |
| Sage__ | someone is using a wrong optinos for mic then | 08:20 |
| dm8tbr | http://mirrors3.kernel.org/meego/builds/trunk/1.1.80.9.20101207.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32-qemu/meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.80.9.20101207.1-raw.tar.bz2 | 08:20 |
| Sage__ | it sound like someone is using --package=tar.bz2 with --release | 08:20 |
| Sage__ | they should use --package=tar instead so it does not compress that twice. --release= does automatic .bz2 for images if not separately said otherwise with (--compress-disk-image=none for example) | 08:21 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 08:22 |
| dm8tbr | will you follow up with them or should we file a bug? | 08:23 |
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| Sage__ | Let me check one thing first | 08:28 |
| Sage__ | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/image-configurations/blobs/master/scripts/create.sh <- the problem is in this and I could chaneg it but because I don't know what is reason (if there is one) for double .bz2 I will not do that. | 08:30 |
| Sage__ | I can continue this with the person responsible of that. | 08:31 |
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| leo0916 | Hi guys, I got a problem to display QT or Xlib based app on my device | 10:12 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: For MWKN, why did the h/w adaptation meetings stop? | 10:12 |
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| leo0916 | I can run MTF based application, but QT based application seems always transparent | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: long story short: we were doing the majority of our work in the open on the irc channel anyway | 10:13 |
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| harryhe | I am setting up local obs environment, downloaded master image, after unpacking, it is a .raw file, but virtualbox didn't recognize it as disk file | 10:13 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: but it was appearant again that we lost a synchronisation point when not having it | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | it=meetings in general | 10:14 |
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| leo0916 | actually my QT application has run, if I kill the Home and the other app, I can see my QT application normally | 10:15 |
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| thp | leo0916: it's Qt. QT = QuickTime :) | 10:15 |
| timoph | :) | 10:15 |
| Termana | morning | 10:15 |
| leo0916 | Hi thp, what is it? | 10:16 |
| leo0916 | : ( | 10:16 |
| thp | leo0916: the ui toolkit that you use is called Qt, not QT. | 10:16 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Can I quote that (rather than paraphrasing it)? | 10:17 |
| leo0916 | Yes, Qt, correct | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: sure | 10:17 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Ta | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | we have a fairly big size team so things just go lost and sync meetings with status go a long way :P | 10:18 |
| leo0916 | I really puzzled for that MTF can be displayed, but Qt app can not | 10:18 |
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| thp | leo0916: have you considered using QML for the ui? | 10:20 |
| leo0916 | yes, QML also has the same problem | 10:21 |
| thp | leo0916: file a bug on bugs.meego.com | 10:21 |
| leo0916 | On my device, only the MTF work fine | 10:21 |
| leo0916 | Xlib based, Qt based, QML application have the same problem | 10:22 |
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| Stskeeps | what meego version? | 10:22 |
| leo0916 | If I kill the all ui app, my app can be displayed | 10:22 |
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| leo0916 | : ( | 10:27 |
| thp | leo0916: file a bug on bugs.meego.com describing the exact version and filename of the meego image you were running | 10:29 |
| timoph | leo0916: check what version you're using from /etc/meego-release | 10:29 |
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| leo0916 | Ok thp, I will do that | 10:30 |
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| leo0916 | MeeGo release 1.1.80 (MeeGo) BUILD: meego-handset-armv7l-beagle-daily | 10:30 |
| leo0916 | Hi timoph, version is 1.1.80 | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | need a more specific version :) | 10:30 |
| timoph | you're running on beagle board? | 10:31 |
| leo0916 | yes, devkit8000, same as the beagle board | 10:31 |
| timoph | doesn't it display something like this: MeeGo release 1.1.80 (MeeGo) | 10:32 |
| timoph | BUILD: meego-n900-autotest-1.1.80.20101212.2301 | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | in the older versions of mcompositor, normal apps were fairly broken | 10:32 |
| leo0916 | Stskeeps I think it should be 1.1.80.6.20101116.1/ | 10:33 |
| timoph | that's almost a month old | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | please upgrade | 10:34 |
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| leo0916 | I'm just use the old way to update to lastest version, but it seems problem still exist | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | make a new image | 10:35 |
| leo0916 | I update last week, it runs really slow | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | yes, 1.2's like that | 10:35 |
| leo0916 | So I go back to the old version | 10:35 |
| leo0916 | Is there any kernel update? | 10:36 |
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| leo0916 | meego-n900-autotest-1.1.80.20101212.2301 may be fix for the N900, not for my device | 10:37 |
| leo0916 | fit for the N900 | 10:37 |
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| timoph | I meant only to highlight the 1.1.80.20101212.2301 bit from the image | 10:38 |
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| timoph | that image is created by me for automated testing.. | 10:39 |
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| leo0916 | oh, I got it, is there any other suggestion, I can try it | 10:42 |
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| timoph | you can create a new image or check if there's newer images for beagle available somewhere | 10:44 |
| newbie | Hi, I have installed meego sdk in windows xp and my qemu starts from qtcreator IDE, however when i click in the window it grabs the cursor from my desktop, but doesn't move the pointer that shows up in the qemu window | 10:44 |
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| newbie | any idea to resolve this prob ? | 10:44 |
| leo0916 | ctrl+alt | 10:45 |
| newbie | @leo0916: ctrl+alt gets the mouse back to my desktop.. I want the mouse to be moved inside qemu | 10:46 |
| newbie | @leo0916: currently the mouse stays at the center of qemu window | 10:46 |
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| leo0916 | move mouse into the window and press | 10:47 |
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| newbie | @leo0916: no help :( | 10:48 |
| leo0916 | I did not meet this problem - _ -! | 10:49 |
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| newbie | anybody else have faced this prob ? | 10:50 |
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| dm8tbr | harryhe: I think I wrote that you need to use qemu-img to convert it | 10:52 |
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| harryhe | dm8tbr: thanks | 11:01 |
| dm8tbr | and I even linked to its manpage | 11:02 |
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| harryhe | dm8tbr, I saw it, it says "convert to raw file or use qemu-img", I didn't recognize that | 11:03 |
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| dm8tbr | Unpacking it will give you a raw file to use or convert with qemu-img to fit with your virtualization software. | 11:03 |
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| * dm8tbr adds a comma to that sentence | 11:04 | |
| harryhe | :) | 11:05 |
| Myrtti | moin | 11:07 |
| dm8tbr | huomenta Myrtti | 11:08 |
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| Myrtti | now that I have a camera I've got an urge to go and take pictures, but perhaps I'll just stay indoors and drink tea | 11:10 |
| iekku | Myrtti, if you are in Finland, please don't go out | 11:10 |
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| dm8tbr | daystar just showed up over h-town, should make for some nice pictures. | 11:11 |
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| dm8tbr | Only if you are frost proof though. | 11:11 |
| Myrtti | dm8tbr: went out yesterday, got some http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/archives/date-posted/2010/12/12/ | 11:11 |
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| Myrtti | I ♥ my new camera | 11:11 |
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| dm8tbr | the pc looks a bit out of place in this set ;) | 11:12 |
| Myrtti | hehe | 11:12 |
| Myrtti | there's also pet rock pictures on Saturday :-D | 11:12 |
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| Myrtti | dm8tbr: too cold to zoom properly :-P | 11:14 |
| dm8tbr | ah, there's one, cuuute | 11:15 |
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| Myrtti | some pictures that are titled with the birds undoubtedly have no bird because they flew away too soon | 11:16 |
| Myrtti | or they're behind branches | 11:17 |
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| dm8tbr | mhhh, that ammount of dust qulifies for overheating | 11:20 |
| dm8tbr | at least I've cleaned a laptop once that was constantly 'switching of spontaneously' | 11:21 |
| Myrtti | dm8tbr: the CPU still halts randomly after the cleanup :-/ | 11:21 |
| Myrtti | it's not my work lappy so it's not too important but it would be lovely if it would work without a hitch | 11:22 |
| dm8tbr | I'd try to monitor the cpu temperature in real-time. e.g. gkrellm | 11:22 |
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| harryhe | dm8tbr, what's the user/password to login in Suse image? | 11:28 |
| dm8tbr | root/opensuse | 11:30 |
| harryhe | thanks | 11:30 |
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| iekku | Myrtti, nice ones! | 11:31 |
| iekku | Myrtti, I'm proud of this one: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs265.snc4/39598_438003058050_627373050_5179428_4239491_n.jpg | 11:32 |
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| iekku | winters just aren't for me | 11:33 |
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| lyager | Hi. If I want to test Meego on a Poulsbo, can I do it with Meego-netbook, or would I have to switch to IVI? | 12:03 |
| lyager | ... and why is Ivi further ahead with poulsbo? | 12:04 |
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| lyager | Anyone got Meego and X11 running on anything CE4100 like? :) | 12:13 |
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| CosmoHill | people have gotten MeeGo running on GMA500 | 12:15 |
| CosmoHill | no idea how tho | 12:15 |
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| tybollt | CosmoHill: dead gots ina fridge and sacrifice of maidens? | 12:15 |
| tybollt | goats | 12:16 |
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| dm8tbr | it was possible at some point | 12:19 |
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| lcuk | dneary, hey, last night on the mailing list regarding project naming, you arbritarily removed the ongoing mail from one ML and changed it to another | 12:20 |
| lyager | CosmoHill: Going for an IVI trunk image now.. It appears the IVI image from 1.1 has 'NOEMGD' | 12:20 |
| lcuk | which prevents someone from reading the cache in one chunk! | 12:20 |
| lyager | .. which I believe is needed for GMA500 | 12:20 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 12:20 |
| lcuk | i understand offering to other ML, but please don't remove things | 12:20 |
| CosmoHill | the EMGD driver is intel's open source GMA500 driver | 12:20 |
| lyager | CosmoHill: And this appears only to be in IVI for now, as far as I can see? | 12:21 |
| CosmoHill | i think that's right | 12:21 |
| lyager | CosmoHill: Allright, thanks. .No need to fool around with the Netbook images then :) | 12:22 |
| dm8tbr | GMA500 is an SGX535 IIRC - closed, nda ridden crap :/ | 12:22 |
| CosmoHill | that's why intel are making their own driver | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: emgd != oss | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:22 |
| CosmoHill | dammit | 12:22 |
| CosmoHill | but it is intel | 12:23 |
| lyager | http://edc.intel.com/Software/Downloads/EMGD/#download Drivers from intel | 12:23 |
| lyager | True, not OSS it seems | 12:23 |
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| lyager | But are there any other alternatives? | 12:24 |
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| CosmoHill | is it the IEGM that is OSS? | 12:34 |
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| lcuk | where did I read about emgd and meego release synchronisation? | 12:36 |
| lcuk | was it just a comment in here over the weekend? | 12:36 |
| CosmoHill | Phornix? There was something about Intel not being able to "release their own driver" with MeeGo | 12:36 |
| lyager | Well, the dropdown on the download page lets me choose 'MeeGo 1.0 IVI Linux (Kernel 2.6.33.3, X.server 1.8.0)' so it is against a pretty new kernel | 12:37 |
| lcuk | http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/latest.log.html#t2010-12-13T02:07:36 | 12:38 |
| lcuk | it was here | 12:38 |
| lcuk | very late last night between TSCHAKeee and vgrade | 12:38 |
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| lyager | lcuk: So EMGD is planed for Meego 1.2? If I read bug 6863 correct? | 12:40 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6863 enh, Undecided, 1.1.80.10, joel.clark, ACCE, [FEA] Integrate EMGD 1.0 update kernel components | 12:40 |
| CosmoHill | I seem to be a terminator for that conversation | 12:41 |
| lcuk | lyager, dont just read the bug | 12:41 |
| lcuk | vote for it | 12:41 |
| lcuk | discuss it where you can, shake random intel people and tell them about it and stuff | 12:41 |
| lyager | lcuk: Ohh :) Sure.. I guess I thought it was comon sence to put it in Meego? | 12:41 |
| lcuk | things dont happen without reminders :P | 12:41 |
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| lyager | lcuk: Sadly no :) | 12:42 |
| lcuk | theres a lot of devices requiring that driver | 12:44 |
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| CosmoHill | including the Nokia notebook | 12:45 |
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| lyager | lcuk: You haven't by chance played around with the driver (ie. getting it to work) :) | 12:46 |
| lcuk | no lyager, different layer to my work | 12:46 |
| lyager | lcuk: 10-4 :) | 12:47 |
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| CosmoHill | I wonder, why did nokia release a netbook using the GMA500 graphics card 6 months before they announced MeeGo | 12:48 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, it runs the OS it was released with | 12:48 |
| lcuk | and Nokia are big enough that teams working on one OS may not have been aware of the coming crossover with other OSes down the line | 12:49 |
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| lcuk | even if they did, they may not have been aware of the impact the drivers may have on that also | 12:49 |
| lyager | CosmoHill: Guess they had to have goals for MeeGo to get somewhere? | 12:49 |
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| CosmoHill | "8.Diskette: Please include, with your Seminar Paper assignment, a non-virused clearly labelled diskette " | 13:01 |
| CosmoHill | that's an odd requirement for my assignment | 13:01 |
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| Stskeeps | ha-ha | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | :> | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | bring a 5 1/4 floppy | 13:01 |
| CosmoHill | I mean 1. did they need to specify that and 2. shouldn't it be "virus-free" ? | 13:01 |
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| CosmoHill | up until last year we had a 1.44MB floppy disk vending machine in the library | 13:02 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:02 |
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| lcuk | heh CosmoHill | 13:04 |
| lcuk | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1905900&cid=34519888 Revival of the floppy disk! | 13:04 |
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| CosmoHill | lol | 13:04 |
| lcuk | (on topic: Military Bans Removable Media After WikiLeaks Disclosures) | 13:04 |
| abstract3d___ | whats the best way to install meego as dualboot? | 13:04 |
| lcuk | abstract3d___, which device flavour? | 13:05 |
| abstract3d___ | microSD Class 10 or an external HDD connected via microUSB? | 13:05 |
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| abstract3d___ | n900 | 13:05 |
| CosmoHill | it's incredibly stupid to allow a computer to have both access to government secrets and a DVD burner | 13:05 |
| abstract3d___ | lcuk: sorry, n900 :) | 13:05 |
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| lcuk | abstract3d___, plenty of instructions http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900#Installing_MeeGo_on_N900 | 13:06 |
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| lcuk | alterego, have you been liaising with MohammadAG btw, afaik he is working towards a maemo uboot upgrade | 13:08 |
| abstract3d___ | lcuk: sure i know about that. lcuk but it tells lcuk NFS-Root lcuk over usb networking. that i was thinking about is to connect an external HDD (5400rpm or 7.200 rpm) via microUSB which supports usb2.0 speeds | 13:08 |
| alterego | lcuk: no, thanks for the heads up, I'll talk to him later | 13:08 |
| lcuk | ". lcuk but it tells lcuk NFS-Root lcuk over usb networking. " | 13:09 |
| lcuk | competition for how many times you can ping me per sentence? | 13:09 |
| abstract3d___ | lcuk: :$ soz, it was an advantage of +2 times :$ | 13:09 |
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| alterego | Hah | 13:10 |
| abstract3d___ | i am thinking that microUSB with an WD Passport would be like killing my phone battery. so i am thinking of a 7.200rpm with external power supply of disk, and n900 connected via usb to that. but it will kill battery again because of file-transfers etc | 13:11 |
| lcuk | abstract3d___, | 13:12 |
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| lcuk | why not just use what other people do and insert a little microsd card? | 13:12 |
| alterego | I thought the end game was to get usb charging working at the same time :) | 13:12 |
| alterego | Which would be fun. | 13:12 |
| abstract3d___ | because of it speeds? :$ | 13:13 |
| lcuk | end game? no way | 13:13 |
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| lcuk | thats just one step alterego | 13:13 |
| lcuk | i would like my meego device to do a lot more than just sit there charging battery :P | 13:13 |
| alterego | Heh, what is the end game then? :) | 13:13 |
| alterego | I mean as far as usb host | 13:13 |
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| alterego | (which wont ever officially be in meego btw) | 13:13 |
| Venemo_N900 | hi | 13:13 |
| lcuk | usb host is not in the spec, if it were going to come to meego | 13:14 |
| lcuk | it would come via clean patches being upstreamed to the kernel? | 13:14 |
| lcuk | so I thought | 13:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: what won't ever be officially in meego? | 13:14 |
| lyager | Ok, unpacking IEMGD drivers for Linux, from a nice Windows executable :/ | 13:14 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N900, ^^ | 13:14 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: see lcuks statgements | 13:14 |
| lcuk | it could if someone got the patches into kernel | 13:14 |
| alterego | hacks are unlikely to be included upstream. | 13:14 |
| lcuk | but that would take incredible dedication by the host mode people | 13:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | sorry I'm late from the discussion | 13:15 |
| lcuk | good morning btw :) | 13:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | you too lcuk :) | 13:15 |
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| abstract3d___ | alterego: whole meego project is a hack :D | 13:16 |
| Venemo_N900 | lol abstract3d___ | 13:16 |
| alterego | abstract3d___: no, we're just talking about host mode :P | 13:16 |
| alterego | On the N900 | 13:16 |
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| Venemo_N900 | it should be included at least in the meego for n900's kernel | 13:17 |
| lcuk | no Venemo_N900 | 13:18 |
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| lcuk | it needs to work properly first | 13:18 |
| lcuk | and be cleaned up | 13:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | hm | 13:19 |
| lcuk | but if its not actually applying the usb spec correctly | 13:19 |
| lcuk | it cannot be upstreamed | 13:19 |
| abstract3d___ | so, i will buy a cheap mobile phone for about 40$ to be sure that i won't lost any phonecall or sms etc and i will use my n900 as slave and development/testing platform | 13:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | yeah | 13:19 |
| lcuk | and so cannot be included | 13:19 |
| alterego | I like the fact Dexter has an N98 | 13:19 |
| alterego | ~N8 | 13:19 |
| abstract3d___ | also TRON include a N8 device iirc | 13:19 |
| lcuk | isn't dexter a hacker? | 13:20 |
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| leinir | abstract3d___: yup - they've been doing a biiig push about the n8 and the tron involvement :) | 13:20 |
| * lcuk is enjoying increased nipple sensitivity | 13:21 | |
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| lcuk | for all you dirty minded people, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint | 13:22 |
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| abstract3d___ | smeegol (meego suse edition) will use meego core? | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't, it's based on opensuse | 13:24 |
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| Stskeeps | in fact, it's not meego :P | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | and suse meego is something different | 13:24 |
| abstract3d___ | so what the f**k :$ | 13:24 |
| abstract3d___ | what they are trying to do? | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | they're putting the netbook ux on top of opensuse basically | 13:25 |
| abstract3d___ | aha | 13:25 |
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| abstract3d___ | i can see, maemo 6 (not based on meego core but on meego ~generally~) smeegol and i am waiting more like that | 13:26 |
| abstract3d___ | and i am wondering if that is good for building a solid community, or it will destroy everything | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | well | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | i think there's more damage to having multiple things based on various things that's called meego but is in fact not based on meego core | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | if you want to call anything meego, it has to be meego compliant | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:28 |
| abstract3d___ | Stskeeps: +1 | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | smeegol got denied using meego name, so | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | it is a trademark afterall | 13:28 |
| newbie | "net start kqemu" disables mouse movement in qemu (in windows), any idea why it happens ? .. If i stop kqemu, then poweron emulator, the mouse pointer moves eventhough the homescreen UI doesnt appear. | 13:28 |
| abstract3d___ | it's stupid to serve "meego" distros if it's not using meego-core | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | agreed | 13:29 |
| abstract3d___ | also nokia has to understand this one. and after that community will grow more and more | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | which is why a number of things got denied the use of the trademark :P | 13:29 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, I just tied it with kernel-power | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | nokia understands it but the timing for meego was really off.. | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:29 |
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| Stskeeps | meego api apps should work on top of m6 though | 13:30 |
| Myrtti | now, what parts of the meego website don't use the single signon password? | 13:30 |
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| * Myrtti wasn't on the gawker list but is changing her passwords all the same | 13:30 | |
| rauli | dunno, if you have hundreds of suse installations it is probably easier to manage laptops with "meego ux on suse" rather than build everything from scratch... | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | rauli: yeah, but it isn't meego or shouldn't be confused with that :P | 13:31 |
| abstract3d___ | rauli: thats not a meego distro | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | +and | 13:31 |
| abstract3d___ | meego ux is like KDE | 13:31 |
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| abstract3d___ | also, KDEteams want to participate in meego project. but i am thinking that it would be better to create a solid KDE environment with less bugs. kde is like running on the road, and it's alone. it's better than gnome but it tries to serve more apps and features but it also serves more bugs and problems.. | 13:35 |
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| lcuk | how well does kde work on handset itself? | 13:36 |
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| abstract3d___ | g2g, bb all | 13:40 |
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| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> this should work on meego right? http://i53.tinypic.com/qqtv6s.jpg :) | 13:47 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, I dont see how since that is maemo :P | 13:48 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, it's in Qt | 13:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: only if the API it uses is present in MeeGo | 13:49 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, it's generic Qt | 13:50 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, then sure you can make a list of a few buttons | 13:50 |
| lcuk | but how it ties in with the OS is presumably what you were asking | 13:50 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, surely there's a dbus launcher in meego | 13:51 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: then my guess is yes | 13:51 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, its not the launcher part | 13:51 |
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| lcuk | its how it fits with the desktop | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, it's not handled by the window manager, at all | 13:52 |
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| Mmr5 | anyone here? | 14:14 |
| Myrtti | depending on definition | 14:14 |
| Mmr5 | understood | 14:15 |
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| Avalon | hi people | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 15:16 |
| Avalon | this is the meego chat right? | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | pretty much | 15:16 |
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| Avalon | did anybody succeed in installing meego 1.1 in virtualbox? | 15:17 |
| Avalon | i could install 1.0 | 15:17 |
| Avalon | but not 1.1 | 15:17 |
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| Avalon | ? | 15:19 |
| * Stskeeps hasn't | 15:19 | |
| Avalon | i see | 15:20 |
| Avalon | can I instal lmeego on my notebook? | 15:20 |
| Avalon | my laptop? | 15:20 |
| Avalon | its a dell vostro? | 15:20 |
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| andre__ | http://wiki.meego.com/Devices | 15:22 |
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| Avalon | thanks andre | 15:24 |
| Avalon | let me see | 15:24 |
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| * Mek wonders how OBS decides to order scheduled builds, as somehow my packages get built before a whole lot of other packages that have been scheduled for a long time before I pushed these new sources... | 16:07 | |
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| X-Fade | Mek: I updated MeeGo:current today. | 16:08 |
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| leinir | Mek: it is... not deterministic ;) | 16:08 |
| X-Fade | Mek: So everything which builds against that is obviously triggered. | 16:08 |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: you play open ttd right? | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | not as often anymore | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | now it's mostly alien arena to take out agressions ;) | 17:21 |
| CosmoHill | you can't really take out your aggression on a transport system | 17:21 |
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| javispedro | SimCity is better on that regard :) | 17:22 |
| CosmoHill | I like making awesome train networks | 17:22 |
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| Termana | CosmoHill, I think what Stskeeps is actually saying when he says take out aggressions is - shoot people in the head | 17:23 |
| Termana | ... virtually | 17:23 |
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| Termana | I heard Intel staff play a lot of Alien Arena | 17:25 |
| Termana | Pu pu | 17:25 |
| Termana | Joking :p | 17:25 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, Syndicate had trams and lots of aggression removal :P | 17:29 |
| Aard | \\ | 17:29 |
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| berndhs | lcuk: agression removal in trams is socially excusable, while it is frouned upon in cars | 17:31 |
| berndhs | frowned upon even | 17:31 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, IRL its not excusable anyway | 17:31 |
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| lcuk | and for driving games, I find a decent f1 simulator and driving the opposite way to be an amusing mechanism | 17:32 |
| berndhs | its not? oh man | 17:32 |
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| berndhs | driving the wrong way is an experiment in turbulent particle flow | 17:35 |
| * lcuk knows all about that :) | 17:35 | |
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| andre | hi. is someone here involved in the packaging of the meego sdk? | 17:39 |
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| Stskeeps | andre: -> #meego-sdk | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | andre: i'd usually try earlier hours though | 17:41 |
| andre | Stskeeps: thanks ;-) | 17:41 |
| andre | Stskeeps: as in "South Asian business hours"? | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | well | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | finnish helps too | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | the combination of those :) | 17:42 |
| andre | ok | 17:42 |
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| NooBmonk3y | Hi alls, anyone experienced meego doing nothing on an n900? for some strange reason it is not recognising touch input (Fresh install, worked fine this morning), but after a reboot, back to maemo etc... i've started looking at it again tonight, but touch is doing nothing. | 19:35 |
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| unclewerner | hi, all, quick question: where is the meego app distribution/packaging guide? | 19:37 |
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| lcuk | unclewerner, ask the people that are involved in the community porting | 19:39 |
| lcuk | and ITP list stuff | 19:39 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP | 19:39 |
| lcuk | to writeup some notes around ease of starting :) | 19:39 |
| lcuk | but obviously it involves OBS stuff and thats already documented | 19:39 |
| lcuk | but from an "already got applications and wanting to bring them over" is a useful case | 19:40 |
| unclewerner | lcuk: thx, for the link | 19:40 |
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| vgrade | Possible Koln meet this week http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2189 | 21:48 |
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| CosmoHill | sweet, new personal best for uptime :) | 22:11 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, regular people need to sleep. | 22:37 |
| lcuk | if your uptime is over 24hours, go get some ;) | 22:37 |
| CosmoHill | I get ple...oh you mean sleep? | 22:37 |
| lcuk | :P | 22:38 |
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| kp | BuildService API error: can't verify packages due to lack of GPG keys | 22:40 |
| kp | Any idea? | 22:41 |
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| CosmoHill | I'd imagine it would be something about the GPG keys and a lack of them | 22:41 |
| DangerMaus | lol | 22:41 |
| kp | :) | 22:41 |
| lcuk | kp lol | 22:42 |
| kp | yeah but I dnt undestand what GPG keys its talking about | 22:42 |
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| lcuk | number of people have had same issue | 22:42 |
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| lcuk | http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/search?q=GPG | 22:42 |
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| lcuk | but I cannot recall how it was solved, perhaps you could dig and we can add to a FAQ/factoid about it | 22:42 |
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| kp | Thanks .. | 22:43 |
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| sabotage | X-Fade, lbt_away: so... what's the plan w.r.t. packages being SR'd from home:* projects to MeeGo:current:Extras? | 23:55 |
| sabotage | I find it hard to believe I'm still the only one with an SR still... yet there's been no movement on it (accepted/rejected) for two weeks now | 23:56 |
| sabotage | and related... is there (or will there be) a ML for commits (SR's) and any ensuing debates, like there is for build.meego.com? | 23:57 |
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