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lcuk | smithna, why | 00:32 |
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leinir | Stskeeps: Think you might be lucid to help with that stuff tomorrow? :) | 00:33 |
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smithna | lcuk: not sure... I think I'm asking a question (which i have a number of time) which should have some kind of answer. | 00:38 |
lcuk | hrm what question | 00:38 |
lcuk | and i might likely vanish myself in a few minutes | 00:39 |
smithna | Hi, I'm trying to figure out my install/testing stategy on the IVI version of meego. As been noted lots of times, there's no *approved* way to upgrade from 1.0 to 1.1 -- Is the same true between development builds (ie: updating packages from the daily repo) | 00:39 |
lcuk | but i shall return if so :P | 00:39 |
* smithna makes sure to ask quickly :} | 00:39 | |
lcuk | smithna, there is some very rough upgrade instructions | 00:39 |
lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Upgrading_MeeGo_Versions | 00:39 |
lcuk | when I asked, it was said that they should be generic | 00:40 |
lcuk | not sure how in specific UXes | 00:40 |
lcuk | but you are right anyway, its all dev builds so seat of pants | 00:40 |
smithna | Since that is *unsupported* -- one would only report bugs vs a released version, correct? | 00:41 |
lcuk | smithna, start by reading the instructions, combining it with your knowledge and what you can find, backup essentials, cross fingers, try it. report back and discuss and see where we can fix it | 00:41 |
lcuk | you never know - it might work and not need any bug reports at all ! | 00:42 |
lcuk | *shock* | 00:42 |
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lcuk | smithna, :) | 00:44 |
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ddompe | hi, is there any procedure to gain an account on the meego OBS? I have setup my own OBS, but I need to bootstrap my OBS and seems a lot easier if I have access to the meego OBS... | 00:57 |
Stskeeps | leinir: i'm not sure what i'm agreeing to | 00:57 |
Stskeeps | ddompe: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS | 00:57 |
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ddompe | Stskeeps: awesome! That page is new | 00:58 |
leinir | Stskeeps: Oh right, sorry - well, i need some information on which repositories are available on build. and build.pub., and which archs are in them :) | 00:58 |
ddompe | I'm pretty sure I have grepped around | 00:58 |
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Stskeeps | leinir: both have atom and armv7, afaik, not sure about how up to date | 01:01 |
Stskeeps | ddompe: yeah, it is | 01:01 |
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MeeGoExperts | Evening all | 01:01 |
Stskeeps | ddompe: help improve the documentation | 01:01 |
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ddompe | Stskeeps: I will | 01:02 |
leinir | Stskeeps: Right... Those are the architectures, i'm guessing, what repositories are on there? :) | 01:02 |
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Stskeeps | depends on what they've imported | 01:03 |
Stskeeps | what are you interested in? | 01:03 |
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MeeGoExperts | Any news if BroadCom are going to let their WiFi drivers ship with Meego Netbook images ? | 01:04 |
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leinir | Well, i'm building the server side of project bretzn, which is supposed to push build jobs onto the various build services (in particular obs and the two meego build services), and for that to work, i need to know the names of these - i can find the information myself if i get a username for it, though, if that makes it easier :) | 01:05 |
Stskeeps | ah | 01:06 |
Stskeeps | well, the naming is up to the obs maintainer .. :P | 01:06 |
leinir | i expect this is not possible for build.pub. yet, but it'd probably be the easiest for build. :) | 01:06 |
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qgil | basically, I put upfront what we have and how to get involved | 01:18 |
qgil | the backlog has been merged with the Community Office backlog and the strategy has been put underneath | 01:19 |
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lcuk | i saw earlier the meego character gen web app is taking shape, but i lost my link, can someone look back and find it | 02:32 |
lcuk | marnanel posted it | 02:32 |
leinir | hmm... not in screen backlog, lessee... | 02:33 |
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leinir | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1338&page=6 | 02:35 |
leinir | had to hunt for it a bit :) | 02:35 |
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lcuk | figment of imagination :P | 02:38 |
lcuk | called out to pick up luke and his mates so movies cancelled for tonight | 02:38 |
araujo | :/ | 02:38 |
lcuk | araujo, what time of the year does your country do fireworks ? | 02:40 |
araujo | lcuk, you know.. today, they are doing ..... same there? o_0 | 02:42 |
lcuk | araujo, its been like a warzone all night | 02:42 |
lcuk | the explosions are getting bigger! | 02:42 |
lcuk | leinir, thanks! | 02:43 |
lcuk | that looks good, but really goes against meego.com principles :P | 02:43 |
leinir | You are most welcome :) | 02:43 |
lcuk | its bloody closed source! | 02:43 |
lcuk | it would be good when it comes to actually have it usable in the netbook image :) | 02:44 |
lcuk | first community created actual usable content creating novelty! | 02:44 |
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lcuk | why is the new meegocom account listing http://twitter.com/Heaaatherkb as the first person its following? (it was me until a minute ago) that account there takes you to a dating site :P | 02:48 |
berndhs | lcuk: because they don't know how attractive you are ? | 02:49 |
lcuk | thats possible! | 02:50 |
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GAN900 | MeeGo is following me on twitter. | 03:10 |
GAN900 | Creeper | 03:10 |
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lcuk | GAN900, when are you arriving in dublin | 03:21 |
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lolloo | hellooo0oo Meego fans | 04:26 |
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lolloo | is there a way to triple boot OSes on N900? Nitdroid+Meego+maemo? | 04:27 |
lolloo | with 8gb sd | 04:27 |
sjokkis | why would it be different from double booting? | 04:30 |
lcuk | sjokkis, guessing the instructions are geared around specific partition layouts etc | 04:31 |
lcuk | just like maemo filesystem itself has things | 04:31 |
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GAN900 | lcuk, Sunday morning around 9 AM. | 05:31 |
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hvenus | Hello, MeeGo. | 05:39 |
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IanWizard | I'm new to meego, and looking into a project based on it. Does it support CDMA out of the box? Is that a stupid question? | 09:01 |
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Bostik | IanWizard: not a stupid question, but isn't CDMA a radio frequency technique? | 09:12 |
IanWizard | Yes, it's what Sprint uses, I'd like to develop (or rather test) this project on my Evo, which uses CDMA. I wanted to know if MeeGo handset supported CDMA. | 09:13 |
IanWizard | If it had the software support for it, since it's more than just a driver. | 09:13 |
Bostik | that goes to hardware and drivers, and if history is any guide, the cellular drivers will be binary-only modules | 09:13 |
dm8tbr | IanWizard: the question is rather, will meego support the modem/phone hardware in particular | 09:14 |
dm8tbr | what Bostik said! | 09:14 |
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IanWizard | well, not exactly, because there is the networking layer for CDMA, which is different than GSM, or just TCP/IP. There's all of the negotiation with the tower. | 09:15 |
dm8tbr | which is never done by the OS | 09:15 |
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dm8tbr | that's most likely some blob that runs either directly on that chipset or in your userspace and you know nothing about it | 09:16 |
IanWizard | it's done by a middleware layer usually, which is part of the software that would be with the OS. like freesmartphone.org | 09:16 |
IanWizard | it's not a big deal, it's not like it needs the cellular support immediatly anyway | 09:17 |
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dm8tbr | IanWizard: the page you linked then shows that all it does is talk AT to the GSM stack | 09:18 |
Bostik | CDMA for radio frequency is on the same level as ethernet is for wired and wlan for wireless | 09:20 |
IanWizard | yes | 09:20 |
IanWizard | It's ok, Thank you for your support guys. | 09:21 |
dm8tbr | in other words if there is a reasonable way to talk to the 'cdma' stack it is possible | 09:22 |
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Bostik | a quick look at wikipedia actually gave a hint; the generic name "CDMA" is sometimes applied to cmdaOne and CDMA2000 access technologies | 09:24 |
Bostik | "[...] should not be confused with the mobile phone standards called cdmaOne and CDMA2000 (which are often referred to as simply CDMA), which use CDMA as an underlying channel access method." | 09:24 |
Bostik | since the network in question was Sprint, we're probably talking about US -> whether the operator rolls out meego devices is up to them | 09:25 |
IanWizard | that's interesting, I thought that cdma2000 was the version of cdma | 09:26 |
IanWizard | yes, but I was kind of trying to port MeeGo over to it (my Evo) | 09:26 |
IanWizard | and then I was going to start building on that | 09:26 |
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IanWizard | while I'm here, I'm on a netbook with Nvidia Ion, and no VT. Is there any way I can emulate properly? | 09:28 |
Bostik | you probably could get meego (core) up and running but I somehow doubt that you could get full cellular access yet | 09:28 |
IanWizard | I don't want to try and get it to run in a VM by forcing it somehow. (though I doubt that I could) | 09:29 |
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Bostik | I'd guess you won't get the qemu systems running on that but you can at least port your software to meego on a virtualbox instance, with the netbook image as your starting point | 09:34 |
IanWizard | Bostik: yeah, I've had netbook running, but I was trying to get handset; guess there's no big difference anyway, except for UI | 09:35 |
Bostik | yup | 09:35 |
dm8tbr | IanWizard: evo. I think that runs android. you'd then have to take the phone RIL and reverse that to create support for that hardware in meego | 09:41 |
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IanWizard | RIL? | 09:41 |
IanWizard | yes, it's android | 09:41 |
IanWizard | And 4g, but I'm not even touching that | 09:42 |
dm8tbr | there is no 4G hardware | 09:42 |
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IanWizard | ??? you mean in meego? 'cause it is a 4g phone, and I'm pretty sure that it's its own radio | 09:43 |
dm8tbr | no, there is the marketing term 4G, but there are no devices conforming to fourth generation mobile networks as specified by the ITU | 09:44 |
IanWizard | umm.... Ok, I'll take your word for that, but it is real (the phone), and it is much faster. | 09:46 |
dm8tbr | yes, go complain to marketing. they mislabeled it | 09:46 |
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dm8tbr | oh you are in the US. just go sue their pants off | 09:46 |
dm8tbr | yes, but it's just HSPA or something like that | 09:47 |
dm8tbr | which is part of the third generation networks family | 09:47 |
IanWizard | OH, | 09:48 |
IanWizard | I had no idea, | 09:48 |
IanWizard | I've been scammed | 09:48 |
IanWizard | ;) | 09:48 |
dm8tbr | yes, gogogo get a lawyer ;) | 09:48 |
dm8tbr | it's a texbook marketing screwup | 09:48 |
IanWizard | I don't think I'd win | 09:48 |
IanWizard | they probably disclosed it somewhere | 09:49 |
IanWizard | and said that I couldn't sue them | 09:49 |
dm8tbr | /. just ran an article | 09:49 |
dm8tbr | there might be a chance they'll all get into trouble for false advertizing | 09:49 |
IanWizard | I just found the article | 09:50 |
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IanWizard | I cant believe this | 09:51 |
IanWizard | so all of this network hype was all just a scam | 09:51 |
IanWizard | I should dig up those papers that I signed | 09:51 |
IanWizard | maybe I can get a class action in there | 09:52 |
IanWizard | dm8tbr: btw, if you're not US, then where are you? | 09:52 |
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dm8tbr | IanWizard: old europe | 09:56 |
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erani | does there exist any logs for the deb/rpm choosing process when it was still active with meego? I'd like to read those if there are any :I | 10:12 |
erani | just my curiosity... | 10:14 |
Stskeeps | there's been plenty discussions over time | 10:20 |
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erani | Stskeeps: yes, I believe that. I just wondered if there's any kind of official statement why rpm was picked over deb. Not that it really matters, but I'm just curious to know :) | 10:21 |
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Stskeeps | erani: if you promise just to say 'ok' and not discuss rpm vs deb or rpm vs apt, i'll explain quickly :) | 10:35 |
erani | :D ok | 10:37 |
Stskeeps | erani: so, it starts with the merger of moblin and maemo. maemo's base system was debian based and not because of that, it was crap and ancient. moblin had a quite lean and mean base system, based upon rpm. in addition to that, there was a set of tools tailored towards RPM, such as OBS, the image creator, QA tools as well as other things that already existed and was made for rpm. as well as the existence of zypper, which's quite fast ... | 10:39 |
Stskeeps | ... for package retrivial. while many would say that debian has all those, they tend to forget those tools are fairly tied to debian.org infrastructure and when used outside the debian project, they have to be heavily modded.. so it basically was a choice between technological ability | 10:39 |
Stskeeps | personal story: i used debian tools for similar purpose as meego targets for over a year in the Mer project, and frankly.. i actually like rpms and the toolset around it better now :) | 10:40 |
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Stskeeps | so, that's why meego is rpm and not deb | 10:41 |
Stskeeps | :P | 10:41 |
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jarkkom | I saw some meego being mentioned as well in news about ubuntu unity/wayland, is that some kind of official plan or just bloggers taking things out of context? | 10:46 |
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Stskeeps | jarkkom: well, wayland's mostly a intel project i think | 10:56 |
Stskeeps | i think there's going to be a small unconference session on the topic on conference | 10:56 |
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shinta42 | is N900 considered a good device to use MEEGO? | 11:05 |
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erani | Stskeeps: thanks! :) | 11:11 |
Stskeeps | np | 11:11 |
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tolbrino | hi there, I'm trying to install MeeGo 1.1 on a asus eeepc, but the installation process crashes with the following error "ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format." Any hint what I could have done wrong? | 11:37 |
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tolbrino | I've written the img file to a usb stick on a mac 10.6 | 11:43 |
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Stskeeps | lbt: my lone 512mb OBS machine is able to churn 300 ARM packages in a day :) | 12:02 |
Stskeeps | down at 150 scheduled packages, starting from 1000 | 12:02 |
lbt | X-Fade was working on the i/o | 12:03 |
lbt | I've not had chance to catch up this week - real work | 12:03 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:03 |
Stskeeps | i've been bootstrapping meego hardfp packages so the armv6+vfp run was a alpha test to see how much it can handle | 12:04 |
lbt | can/will you use the community one | 12:04 |
lbt | your account is up | 12:04 |
Stskeeps | for armv6+vfp? possibly | 12:04 |
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Stskeeps | but let's see.. | 12:04 |
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Stskeeps | we do need to experiment with some OBS changes and bootstrap somewhere else than build.meego.com (too rigid - we need to keep that one stable) | 12:07 |
Stskeeps | so it's either internal obs or community obs :P | 12:07 |
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shinta42 | how is the N900 for meego? | 16:39 |
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dneary | hi | 16:49 |
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RST38h | moo? | 17:48 |
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CosmoHill | burger? | 17:49 |
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* lbt prods the OBS more ... looking alive | 18:04 | |
lbt | any developers care? | 18:04 |
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CosmoHill | wasn't it walk like a zombie day recently? | 18:05 |
lbt | Stskeeps: not when I'm doing remote iptables | 18:05 |
lbt | :D | 18:05 |
lbt | although I bought a new blend of Drambuie last week... so later... | 18:06 |
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lcuk | CosmoHill, thats called halloween, it happens every year :P | 18:07 |
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gass | hello there | 18:36 |
recklesswaltz | hello | 18:37 |
gass | i am not able to run meego live cd on qemu | 18:37 |
gass | is there any help on this? | 18:37 |
recklesswaltz | Have you searched the forums? | 18:37 |
lcuk | gass, you could tell us hat actually happens | 18:37 |
* lcuk tried to take a photo of a cd and get it to run once | 18:37 | |
gass | lcuk, i am trying to produce a screenshot | 18:38 |
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gass | recklesswaltz, yea | 18:40 |
gass | lcuk, recklesswaltz http://otiliamatos.ath.cx/~gass/meego_boot.png | 18:40 |
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gass | this is running live cd, but instalation only does the same | 18:41 |
gass | pixelgeek, what image are you using? | 18:42 |
pixelgeek | the netbook 1.1 one | 18:42 |
gass | i get an error | 18:43 |
gass | in qemu | 18:43 |
gass | about the graphics board i think ... i915 | 18:43 |
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ferringb | fabo_: poke | 18:44 |
lcuk | gass, hmm that looks a bit odd | 18:45 |
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gass | lcuk, humm ... it is booting ... sorry ... slow qemu | 18:45 |
pixelgeek | from irc logs - "Oct 09 01:09:05 <philipp64|laptop> ok, so the nightly builds require the i915/drm drivers and intel_agp to run, but the SDK 1.0.8 image doesn't? how are they build differently?" | 18:46 |
gass | pixelgeek, humm | 18:46 |
pixelgeek | still googling - Im sure Ive seen this discussed on the forum or irc before | 18:47 |
* pixelgeek must fix his ' key | 18:48 | |
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gass | pixelgeek, maybe it needs accelerated graphics? | 18:51 |
pixelgeek | maybe - I don't know how the virtual environment handles that. | 18:52 |
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gass | brb | 18:56 |
tybollt | hmm | 18:56 |
tybollt | so latest meeg is? | 18:56 |
CosmoHill | Meego does require 3D acceleration | 18:57 |
tybollt | CosmoHill: good thing n900 has a 3d chip then | 18:57 |
gass | CosmoHill, that's my problem as it seems | 18:57 |
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CosmoHill | isn't there someone here who works for collabora? | 19:13 |
lcuk | \o | 19:14 |
lcuk | and many more | 19:14 |
gass | humm ... my problm is the lack of system support for kvm and then, the lack of support of accelerated graphics in qemu | 19:14 |
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CosmoHill | just looking through my logs I've seen about 5 people so car | 19:15 |
CosmoHill | far* | 19:15 |
CosmoHill | lcuk, cool | 19:15 |
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Myrtti | lcuk: have you peeps moved yet? | 19:16 |
lcuk | yes | 19:16 |
Myrtti | aw | 19:16 |
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CosmoHill | lol I just saw this bug that someone filed: "Switch to SGHotKeysLib, since PTHotKey crashes like a mofo on 64-bit" | 19:24 |
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lcuk | Myrtti, revdkathy spends a lot of time knitting things, are the pattersn you would use for your embroidery be compatible | 19:28 |
Myrtti | lcuk: I knit more than I embroider | 19:34 |
lcuk | Myrtti, :) | 19:34 |
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lcuk | are you going to the conf? | 19:35 |
Myrtti | lcuk: nope | 19:35 |
lcuk | :( | 19:35 |
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matgnt | hello. can i somehow get the meego UX working without 3D libs? i want to forward the UI from my beagleboard since i have no monitor to connect to it. | 20:21 |
CosmoHill | Meego requires 3D acceleration | 20:22 |
CosmoHill | could you not try X over ssh? | 20:22 |
javispedro | 3D acceleration over X... uh. | 20:23 |
javispedro | s/X/ssh | 20:23 |
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matgnt | that's the reason i'm asking. so it seems there is no way to get the typical meego UI without a directly connected screen, right? | 20:27 |
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CosmoHill | cyas, fireworks time :) | 20:32 |
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pixelgeek | bit late for that, isn't it? | 20:46 |
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lcuk | DocScrutinizer, will hostmode work on meego? | 20:59 |
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alterego | lcuk: it will, but like maemo we have to supply a custom kernel as meego releases rely on upstream kernel.org accepted patches | 21:00 |
lcuk | alterego, so if this were wanted properly, the HEN hackers will have to polish the patch and make it fit in with existing proper procedures? | 21:01 |
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alterego | lcuk: exactly. | 21:01 |
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lcuk | sounds fair to me | 21:02 |
DocScrutinizer | lcuk: why not? | 21:02 |
lcuk | DocScrutinizer, just raising the question | 21:03 |
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alterego | Probably better to ask in #meego-arm though ;) | 21:03 |
alterego | As it's N900 specific. | 21:03 |
DocScrutinizer | the hack will never go upstream, as it's too much working around braindamaged bugs specific for N900 | 21:04 |
lcuk | alterego, really? | 21:04 |
alterego | DocScrutinizer: I think Stskeeps agrees with you there. | 21:04 |
lcuk | so in the netbook | 21:04 |
alterego | We're likely going to have to have a modded kernel image. | 21:04 |
lcuk | hostmode is normal? | 21:04 |
* lcuk does not know how things like that work | 21:04 | |
alterego | netbook is just like a normal computer | 21:04 |
* DocScrutinizer neither | 21:04 | |
alterego | So it works in the same way as a desktop would. | 21:05 |
alterego | N900 is just screwed. | 21:05 |
DocScrutinizer | honestly I don't see meego-arm get anywhere with this strict upstream-only policy | 21:05 |
alterego | I imagine the N8x0 adaptation, if it ever takes off properly, could have official host support | 21:05 |
alterego | or is it otg? | 21:05 |
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Stskeeps | alterego: well, n8x0 is piece of cake.. | 21:13 |
DocScrutinizer | alterego: N8x0 should work with standard OTG and its hostmode | 21:13 |
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alterego | Yeah, exactly :) | 21:13 |
alterego | It's beyond me how they decided to drop that functionality in the N900. | 21:13 |
DocScrutinizer | they simply messed it up | 21:14 |
alterego | It would have been a massive edge against competition. | 21:14 |
alterego | And it has massive geek appeal. | 21:14 |
alterego | Indeed, | 21:14 |
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GAN900 | Creeping incompetence | 21:14 |
DocScrutinizer | alterego: N8x0 has AB receptacle, and no need to do proper USB-charging | 21:15 |
DocScrutinizer | GAN900: too hard | 21:15 |
alterego | Ah yes, good point. | 21:15 |
alterego | I forgot about the charging part. | 21:15 |
DocScrutinizer | GAN900: actually I have to admit I appreciate what they did | 21:15 |
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DocScrutinizer | given the complexity and the blockheads at USBcert, they did a bitter and yet stout-hearted move do get N900 to the people | 21:18 |
alterego | bbl | 21:18 |
DocScrutinizer | they had to rush it, so the change was implemented in a suboptimal way | 21:19 |
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DocScrutinizer | yet it gave us working USB2.0, emergency recovery charging, proper charger detection according to specs | 21:21 |
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DocScrutinizer | tbh if I had been part of the team back when, I couldn't have changed much I guess | 21:22 |
DocScrutinizer | maybe 1 or 2 minimal things (which still would have saved us lots and lots of headaches) | 21:23 |
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DocScrutinizer | (e.g route ID to both 1707 AND twl4030, maybe even to a GPIO in parallel) | 21:24 |
DocScrutinizer | no bom changes, but proper hostmode still, much like in N8x0 | 21:25 |
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DocScrutinizer | @Nokia: Manpower to hire, email joerg AT openmoko.org | 21:33 |
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lcuk | who has a meego irc client? | 22:13 |
niala | pidgin ? | 22:14 |
lcuk | idk, thats why i am asking | 22:14 |
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niala | idk ? | 22:15 |
lcuk | I don't know | 22:15 |
niala | ok I m on meego and midgin ish in repo | 22:15 |
lcuk | are you on the netbook build? | 22:16 |
lcuk | and how is it going for you other than irc | 22:16 |
niala | or empathy is better integrated | 22:16 |
niala | yes | 22:16 |
niala | I don't understand your question ? pidgin is nice no too much bug ? | 22:17 |
niala | lcuk you mean other 'social' web app ? | 22:20 |
niala | you make stats ? | 22:20 |
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lcuk | niala, i have never used pidgin for irc | 22:23 |
niala | ah ok well he is very stable, | 22:24 |
niala | and permit to have irc msn and other in same screen with tab | 22:24 |
lcuk | cool :) | 22:25 |
niala | empathy is less stable but since 6month maybe I can try again | 22:25 |
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lcuk | hm | 22:27 |
niala | lcuk but empathy is very nice in meego-panel and he bug has you can see on meego-forum | 22:27 |
lcuk | do you have a link to the thread? | 22:28 |
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niala | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=516 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=277 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=452 lcuk | 22:31 |
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lcuk | ta | 22:33 |
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niala | well I just try to import account from pidgin to empathy and meego ux crash | 22:37 |
niala | need a reboot :( | 22:38 |
* niala ask if 1.0 was more stable than 1.1 | 22:38 | |
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lcuk | hmm api.meego.com went under a login wall. any idea why? | 23:17 |
ferringb | obs was upgraded earlier this morn | 23:18 |
lcuk | rog, ta | 23:18 |
Stskeeps | lcuk: always been under login wall, but it was down for upgrades | 23:19 |
lcuk | hmm then i am thinking of a different url then! | 23:20 |
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lcuk | ahhh apidocs. | 23:24 |
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lcuk | but its missing a nice front end | 23:24 |
lcuk | http://apidocs.meego.com/1.1/core/html/index.html | 23:24 |
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