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| jarkkom | so I got qemu-gl running but trying to add emulator device configuration in qt creator complains about device not having Qt 4.6.2+ installed when I try "test" | 00:07 |
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| jarkkom | do I need find newer image than handset one from july? | 00:08 |
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| auke | jarkkom: july seems very old, I would suggest getting a newer image, yes | 00:20 |
| * CosmoHill reads the guardian | 00:20 | |
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| qgil | auke or anybody: can you recommend a nice netbook fully compatible with MeeGo that I could find easily in BestBuy or similar? I need to buy one asap (today) | 00:46 |
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| auke | qgil: actually a touch choice atm | 00:50 |
| auke | qgil: toshiba has working wireless, but seems to have an irq issue, display backlight isn't changeable, bluetooth nonfunctional | 00:51 |
| auke | qgil: lenovo s10 works, except wireless (sigh), really well | 00:51 |
| auke | hp has the wireless issue too | 00:51 |
| bdogg64 | what about asus? | 00:52 |
| auke | I haven't tried any of the newer asus models | 00:52 |
| bdogg64 | the 1005HA is on the list of supported models, best buy sells a 1005HAB | 00:52 |
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| bdogg64 | seems to work fine according to the forums http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=6018&postcount=16 | 00:54 |
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| auke | http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Asus_Eee_PC_1005HA#lspci | 00:56 |
| auke | 10005HA indeed seems to have a supported wireless chipset afaics | 00:56 |
| auke | qgil: so, asus seems to be the safest choice | 00:56 |
| w00t_ | qgil: didn't you buy one a few months back? | 00:57 |
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| auke | I see reports that the 1015 has broadcom | 00:57 |
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| auke | so definately don't get that if wifi needs to work | 00:57 |
| qgil | felipec: good that you put the "Brand dilution" wikipedia link at the end of your post because otherwise I would have sent it to you :) | 00:59 |
| qgil | felipec: other than that I have said everything I wanted to say about the trademark stuff | 00:59 |
| felipec | qgil: trademark != brand | 00:59 |
| qgil | felipec: yes, you are right - whatever :) | 00:59 |
| qgil | this is irc and I'm not the LF lawyer | 00:59 |
| qgil | auke thanks, I'll have a look to Asus | 01:00 |
| auke | qgil: bring a meego image on a USB stick to the store | 01:01 |
| auke | qgil: ask if you can try it | 01:01 |
| auke | netbook image | 01:01 |
| auke | :) | 01:01 |
| qgil | w00t_: yeah, I bought the HP Mini 5102 and ha been a big pain to get MeeGo in there - even if 5101 and others are fine - boring BIOS bug story | 01:01 |
| qgil | auke: good point, this is for a partner that wants to develop MeeGo apps in MeeGo :) | 01:01 |
| felipec | hopefully somebody would care that community members don't feel welcome in MeeGo | 01:02 |
| qgil | felipec: that is a broad statetement | 01:02 |
| qgil | felipec: I would say that hopefully our trademark, brand and compliance guidelines were clear, approved and very useful | 01:03 |
| felipec | qgil: well, people from Fedora and openSUSE complained about ConnMann, and the answer was: you can't use MeeGo if you remove ConnMann, and when they came with Smeegol it's: you can't use that either | 01:04 |
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| qgil | felipec: the real problem was not to say "please don't use Smeegol" back in September - all the rest is purely collateral since Fedora and OpenSUSE are not seeking MeeGo compliance with their MeeGo related projects | 01:06 |
| felipec | qgil: you might not agree that they are within the law, but you can see that people in the ml think they are, and I do as well | 01:06 |
| felipec | qgil: if the "compliance guidelines" are stricter than the law, that's a recipe for disaster in something that is supposed to be community inclusive | 01:07 |
| qgil | felipec: if you start looking at the law then you have lost something already | 01:07 |
| qgil | felipec: if you would have 1M netbooks out there with "Smeegol" the situation would be also different - the discussion is not about the name itself but something else | 01:08 |
| felipec | qgil: exactly, if the ConnMann issue was taken out of the table: NetworkManager was seriously discussed, people might not have felt compelled to spin-off | 01:08 |
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| qgil | felipec: three separate discussions: MeeGo architecture , MeeGo compliance and Smeegol diluting MeeGo or not | 01:09 |
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| qgil | felipec: the problem is when you are unhappy about ConnMan and you end up discussing about Smeegol | 01:09 |
| qgil | the typical case of directing to football political problems or viceversa :9 | 01:09 |
| felipec | qgil: had the MeeGo architecture been sane, the rest of the discussion would not have come from Fedora or OpenSUSE | 01:10 |
| qgil | felipec: then please discuss about architecture and then marketing dudes like me won't interfere :) | 01:10 |
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| felipec | qgil: doesn't marketing include Product? (part of the 4 P's) | 01:11 |
| qgil | felipec: maybe everybody feel it has an opinion about brands, but I definitely don't pretend to have an opinion about connectivity components | 01:12 |
| felipec | qgil: the issue is not connectivity components, it's about part of the system that third parties feel doesn't make sense | 01:13 |
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| qgil | felipec: let me be less precise then: maybe everybody feels like having an opinion about brands, but I definitely don't pretend to have an opinion about MeeGo Core architecture | 01:14 |
| felipec | it is in the best interest of MeeGo the project, and MeeGo the brand, that third parties join in saying: yes, we like this | 01:14 |
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| qgil | felipec: and putting NetworkManager instead of ConnMan will make everybody saying: yes, we like this? | 01:15 |
| felipec | qgil: at least Fedora and OpenSUSE, which are pretty big players in the Linux world | 01:16 |
| felipec | it's very simple: they like it = good PR, they don't like it = bad PR | 01:16 |
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| felipec | that doesn't mean MeeGo should just do whatever Fedora and OpenSUSE want, but just having the discussion so they feel it's actually possible to influence MeeGo to their interest would help | 01:17 |
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| qgil | felipec: has there been a technical discussion comparing directly ConnMan and NetworkManager, by the people actually developing and maintaining these components? | 01:18 |
| felipec | I thought TSG meant technical steering group, and it's purpose was precisely to sort this kind of issues | 01:19 |
| qgil | felipec: there is an architecture team, and there is where architecture discussions need to happen first - escalating to TSG only if needed | 01:19 |
| qgil | felipec: but in this cases the MeeGo architects, Core maintainers and connectivity maintainers seem to agree on ConnMan, and they are the ones doing currently the work in meeGo | 01:20 |
| qgil | It's like the Qt discussion, the RPM discussion and many other discussions - at the end you have the maintainers that will do the work and they are the ones that must make a choice | 01:21 |
| felipec | qgil: I think when something has PR implications, and already hit the news it means it already went beyond TSG | 01:21 |
| qgil | ??? | 01:21 |
| qgil | Hit the news = Engadget or WSJ saying that MeeGo is using ConnMan when everybody knows thet NM is better? | 01:22 |
| felipec | qgil: no, Smeegol... just by the name existing people are going to wonder, why is it not called MeeGo something? | 01:23 |
| wazd | cool name btw :) | 01:23 |
| felipec | qgil: just like LibreOffice | 01:23 |
| qgil | felipec: when I talk about Smeegol you mentuion ConnMan, now that I talk about ConnMan you are actually talking about Smeegol... this is precisely the pointless situation I don't want to be part of :) | 01:24 |
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| felipec | qgil: cause and effect, cause = bad architecture decision, effect = Smeegol is born | 01:25 |
| felipec | you don't like Smeegol? me neither, thus the bad architecture decision needs to be analyzed | 01:26 |
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| qgil | felipec: you can either follow the architecture and call it MeeGo, or not follow the architecture and call it something completely different. It's easy. | 01:26 |
| felipec | by whom? the TSG, who should have in scope both the architecture and the marketing | 01:26 |
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| qgil | we can have a TSG meeting where TSG members say they don't like Smeegol - what have we gained? | 01:27 |
| felipec | the TSG would then tell the MeeGo architects, we trust your decision, but let's have a public discussion with Smeego guys and other parties to evaluate the pros and cons | 01:27 |
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| felipec | without this discussion, you are pretty much fueling Smeegol and similar projects | 01:28 |
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| qgil | felipec: again mixing Smeegol name (what bothers LF and TSG) with ConnMan/NM (which is no discussion for TSG, even less for LF) | 01:28 |
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| qgil | felipec: even spin-offs are not bad - they never were for Debian, Ubuntu or Linux in general - some survive and make sense, some don't | 01:29 |
| felipec | qgil: well, if you are not willing to see the big picture it's pretty obvious why Smeegol had to be born, and it's pretty obvious why it will stay | 01:30 |
| felipec | or just die, why would people care about MeeGo if MeeGo doesn't care about them? | 01:31 |
| felipec | qgil: Ubuntu _is_ bad | 01:32 |
| felipec | spin-offs are not necessarily bad, but it's better if they can be avoided | 01:32 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: I've been thinking of making a FAQ for the n900 | 01:32 |
| felipec | if Fedora and openSUSE contributed _directly_ to MeeGo, that would be superb | 01:32 |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: last I checked there wasn't one, it might reduce some of the questions we get in here | 01:33 |
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| qgil | felipec you think I'm not seeing the big picture, I think you are not seeing the big picture... :) And still we will get along for another round of discussion next time ;) | 01:33 |
| qgil | now back to work | 01:34 |
| felipec | in fact, at the end of the day openSUSE probably did most of what MeeGo is today | 01:34 |
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| CosmoHill | oh I found on | 01:37 |
| felipec | so they probably can detach them from MeeGo and continue doing spin-offs for the different form factors that MeeGo was supposed to help with | 01:37 |
| felipec | it's MeeGo's loss | 01:37 |
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| csdb | Smeegol is not "we would distribute MeeGo if it wasn't for ConnMan" - it is "we want the MeeGo UI on top of SUSE distro" | 01:44 |
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| BManojlovic | i agree about last one :) | 01:49 |
| felipec | csdb: did you even read what Greg KH said? they are not changing a single thing, except ConnMan | 01:51 |
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| Milhouse | felipec: If they'd called it YouStay instead of Smeegol would you feel any happier? Anyone can take MeeGo, swap bits out and release it as something else - just don't call it MeeGo. | 01:59 |
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| felipec | Milhouse: no, I actually prefer Smegol than YouStay | 02:00 |
| felipec | Milhouse: sure, anyone can do that, but it's better if they could take MeeGo and add on top | 02:01 |
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| csdb | felipec: yes, I did. You might want to re-read it, starting with the 1st email in that thread | 02:07 |
| csdb | which states:"I have been spending my time trying to get the MeeGo UX into reasonable | 02:08 |
| csdb | shape on my preferred distro of choice - openSUSE" | 02:08 |
| csdb | the funny thing is that openSUSE trademark rules prohibit you from doing this kind of thing with their trademark | 02:09 |
| felipec | csdb: that wasn't Greg | 02:09 |
| csdb | same goes for Fedora | 02:09 |
| csdb | felipec: so what? That's from the person that wrote the stuff | 02:09 |
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| csdb | did you read the thread? | 02:10 |
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| felipec | csdb: yes: Smeegol = (MeeGo - ConnMan) + rest of OpenSUSE | 02:12 |
| csdb | felipec: really? Its using glibc from Meego? kernel? Every package from MeeGo except for ConnMan ? | 02:14 |
| csdb | it's more like (MeeGo - kernel - libs - util - anything-that-isn't-a-part-of-the-ux-that-we-want) + openSUSE | 02:15 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:15 |
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| ScriptRipper | csdb: If I look into the OBS project for smeegol, I think you are right | 02:20 |
| felipec | csdb: actually after re-reading it seems it's Novell the one doing that | 02:21 |
| felipec | then yeah, Smeegol is fine | 02:21 |
| csdb | ScriptRipper: yeah - poor ConnMan was brought kicking and screaming into the center of this discussion when its not the center | 02:25 |
| csdb | felipec: what do you mean by Smeegol is fine? | 02:25 |
| felipec | csdb: it's not possible for the project to be called "MeeGo something", so a distinct name like Smeegol is fine | 02:27 |
| csdb | how distinct Smeegol really is is topic for another discussion... It was clearly picked due to the similarity with MeeGo | 02:28 |
| csdb | IANAL but if I wanted to avoid confusion with a trademark I'm not allowed to use that would probably be the last name in the world I'd use... | 02:29 |
| csdb | that's like creating a openSUSE respin and calling is SUcSEed to avoid trademark issues :-) | 02:30 |
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| felipec | csdb: well, on one hand you want to be legally abiding, but on the other hand you want to say this is related to MeeGo | 02:31 |
| felipec | csdb: I'm also not a lawyer, but from what I know the protection is for consumers | 02:32 |
| felipec | so that they don't buy Nikee shows thinking they are Nike | 02:33 |
| felipec | shoes | 02:33 |
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| csdb | clearly if you want to say its related then you're trying to get people interested based on this relation. MeeGo TM holders have stated that they don't want this kind of use making claims of relation to them | 02:34 |
| csdb | and calling it Smeegol does just that. | 02:34 |
| felipec | csdb: well, MeeGo TM holders can state that they don't want names to share a single character, but it's not up to them to decide what is lawful | 02:34 |
| csdb | felipec: agreed - but its a matter of whether you want to push the boundaries and potentially make the lawyers happy :-) | 02:35 |
| csdb | I love this clause of the openSUSE trademark rules:"We acknowledge and support your right to make "fair use" of the openSUSE Marks, and do not mean to suggest with these Guidelines that our permission is required in such cases. We cannot, however, tell you categorically what will and will not qualify as a "fair use." " | 02:36 |
| csdb | in other words - our lawyers will tell you if you went too far :-) | 02:37 |
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| felipec | csdb: not necessarily, you can start with a friendly e-mail | 02:37 |
| csdb | yeah - but if you re-read that thread you'll see that right from the get-go the tone was not friendly at all. | 02:43 |
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| auke | email is never read with the same friendly tone as it was originally written :) | 02:58 |
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| felipec | csdb: I'm not talking about that thread | 03:01 |
| lcuk | auke, email to voice is an obvious missing feature. mode: dramatic reading. | 03:01 |
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| felipec | csdb: see, openSUSE allows you to use the trademark in "fair use", and if you are not, they can send a friendly e-mail (not a cease-or-desist) | 03:02 |
| felipec | csdb: but if you are not using the trademark, their rules don't matter | 03:02 |
| felipec | csdb: in the case of Smeegol, they don't think they are using the trademark, so the rules don't matter either | 03:03 |
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| felipec | if that's the case, any mail, friendly or not, is unwarranted | 03:04 |
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| csdb | felipec: I don't think it was the LF people that kept bringing lawyers into the thread (along with "sue me" and "send me a cease-and-desist if you want to discuss this further") | 03:08 |
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| csdb | Even by Greg's admission the correct spelling of Smeagol was changed to Smeegol. | 03:09 |
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| felipec | csdb: well, that's why laws exist | 03:13 |
| csdb | So this is clearly the "neutral zone" in Star Trek terms... What happens there is always anyone's guess... | 03:13 |
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| csdb | felipec, yes, and judges have the final say on what the law means, not you or I or anyone else on the thread. | 03:16 |
| csdb | but 'nuff about this - I've hit my legal-mumbling quota for the month already and its not even the 15th :-) | 03:16 |
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| felipec | who owns the MeeGo trademark anyway? | 03:28 |
| felipec | ah, LF, which is supposed to help open communities against corporate bullies, not sue them | 03:30 |
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| felipec | anyway, time to sleep | 03:31 |
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| ybit | heyo, when is meego going to be ready for daily use on a phone? | 04:28 |
| ybit | how far away is that? | 04:33 |
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| ybit | rough estimates appreciated, or even 'go fsck yourself', something would be nice :) | 04:33 |
| wmarone | heh | 04:38 |
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| wmarone | at best it'll be the 1.2 release, which I -think- is slated for April | 04:38 |
| csdb | ybit: my guess is still several months out. 1.1. is due out soon but I don't know that it has all the pieces to be a full smartphone yet (which is what I assume you're asking). | 04:39 |
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| ybit | csdb: your guess is correct | 04:48 |
| ybit | wmarone: that was helpful as well | 04:48 |
| ybit | so i should probably just get an e7 or crack an jailbreak an iphone in the meantime. I was thinking you could probably help with development of the meeg on the e7 | 04:49 |
| ybit | -"crack an" | 04:49 |
| wmarone | probably | 04:54 |
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| wmarone | as for the E7, that's probably an uphill battle | 04:54 |
| csdb | ybit: don't know - I've only heard people talking about n900 for meego development so far | 04:54 |
| ybit | wmarone: why is this an uphill battle, because we don't know when the release date is? | 04:58 |
| ybit | i can wait about, hmmm, a month, for the phone to be released, no longer though. | 04:58 |
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| k4nd4lf | hi guys | 06:30 |
| k4nd4lf | I'm new to meego, I tried moblin about one year ago, but not on my netbook | 06:31 |
| k4nd4lf | then I knew about meego and here I am trying it out | 06:32 |
| k4nd4lf | however, I have a main concern about it | 06:32 |
| k4nd4lf | for what I can see at plain sight this is moblin, still GTK2 based UI | 06:33 |
| k4nd4lf | but, meego is promoted by nokia who owns Qt now | 06:33 |
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| k4nd4lf | and I am wondering if the UI is going to change to Qt or will continue to use GTK2 | 06:34 |
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| k4nd4lf | does anyone know something about this? | 06:34 |
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| djszapi | k4nd4lf: qt for sure. | 06:48 |
| djszapi | ehhh left after a question..typical :) | 06:49 |
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| djszapi | http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation#Installation -> # cat <<REPO > /etc/yum.repos.d/meego-tools.repo -> seems to be a typo ? | 07:42 |
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| petabit | come join us at #hackers or ##itt-tech . if you dare that is..... | 07:50 |
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| Mirv | morning | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 08:26 |
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| Bostik | *yawn* | 08:29 |
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| Mirv | it's funny that I quite rarely actually stare on this channel, but it's really packed with familiar people :P | 08:50 |
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| dm8tbr | so the familiar void stares back at you? | 08:52 |
| Mirv | something like that | 08:53 |
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| plaa_ | hi | 09:47 |
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| plaa_ | i have a question to meego | 09:48 |
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| plaa_ | do you think that it will be competitive to android and apple ios | 09:49 |
| plaa_ | and how long will it take | 09:49 |
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| plaa_ | ?? | 09:49 |
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| chriadam | plaa_: in my opinion? i think it will be better than either iOS or Android, for my use cases. as for how long it will take, that I don't know. Hopefully not too long ;-) Of course, both questions you ask are entirely subjective. | 09:52 |
| amit-1 | chriadam: me also agree !!! bcoz there is no differentation | 09:53 |
| amit-1 | any one can use android and make device | 09:53 |
| plaa_ | do you know about using ovi apps? and how many apps are alive yet? | 09:53 |
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| plaa_ | second question is about meego apps | 09:54 |
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| chriadam | plaa_: I don't know any numbers, sorry (how many etc). | 09:56 |
| plaa_ | are u a developer? | 09:56 |
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| thiago_home | there will be a lot of devices with MeeGo shipping next year | 10:01 |
| thiago_home | a couple this year | 10:01 |
| thiago_home | apps? Well, any Linux app is an app for MeeGo, unlike for Android. Though most of those applications aren't suitable for all form factors, of course. | 10:01 |
| plaa_ | is the development difficult? | 10:02 |
| thiago_home | no | 10:02 |
| thiago_home | easiest of all | 10:02 |
| thiago_home | (subjective opinion, of course) | 10:02 |
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| plaa_ | im studying computer science in germany and im interested in meego and meego development. | 10:03 |
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| thiago_home | you can join in and learn all about it | 10:03 |
| thiago_home | try doing that for Android -- it's a fairly closed development of the OS itself | 10:03 |
| thiago_home | for a student who is learning how an OS is developed and put together, MeeGo should be your target | 10:04 |
| thiago_home | for app development, you can choose | 10:05 |
| thiago_home | or not choose and go for all of them :-) | 10:05 |
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| plaa_ | i´ll inform myself about it. we´ll see. thx | 10:07 |
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| djszapi | btw, everything is easy for thiago_home :P | 11:22 |
| niala_sad | hi, is there any EeePC T101MT here ? | 11:22 |
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| ljp | hi, yes I have one.. or two | 11:29 |
| niala_sad | ljp, touchscreen works on meego ? | 11:29 |
| niala_sad | wifi ? | 11:29 |
| ljp | yes and yes | 11:30 |
| niala_sad | nice last but not least vide 720p or youtube hd ? i think i dream :) | 11:31 |
| ljp | a few problems like the touchscreen stops working after resume, and the network connections keep dropping | 11:31 |
| ljp | dunno, havent tried | 11:31 |
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| ljp | hang on one moment | 11:31 |
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| niala_sad | :) | 11:31 |
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| ljp | 720p youtube is not very good. 360p is | 11:39 |
| niala_sad | ljp, ok that s not surprise me | 11:40 |
| ljp | I do my meego development on it | 11:41 |
| niala_sad | ljp, maybe you now anothet (better) netbook than t101 ? | 11:41 |
| niala_sad | i think price/qualité is good | 11:42 |
| niala_sad | qualité/quality | 11:42 |
| ljp | ya, the t101 is good. it has a ts, which I needed | 11:42 |
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| niala_sad | ljp, i have lost all my works since day one of meego, my old netbbok is broken be care !! | 11:44 |
| niala_sad | 6months :( | 11:45 |
| ljp | my stuff is all in git | 11:47 |
| niala_sad | ljp, is t101 noisy ? | 11:47 |
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| niala_sad | ljp, you are not silly like me | 11:47 |
| ljp | not especially noisy, there is fan / hdd noise | 11:48 |
| niala_sad | i need obs account .... | 11:48 |
| ljp | niala_sad: i have had more than one time loosing stuff :) | 11:48 |
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| niala_sad | ljp, if hd is to noisy i ll put an ssd. it is possible ? | 11:50 |
| ljp | probably, but there's no 300 gb ssd :) | 11:51 |
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| niala_sad | yes :) but i need a solid pc to travell , even last ssd is broken. i m not a lucky guy. can btrf broken an ssd ? | 11:53 |
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| ljp | I dont know much about btrf | 12:00 |
| niala_sad | ljp, wich version of meego do you use? trunk? 1.1 ? netbook ? | 12:00 |
| niala_sad | ljp, thx for all your responses | 12:01 |
| thiago | btrfs? | 12:01 |
| ljp | 1.1.80 | 12:01 |
| niala_sad | thiago, yes yesterday meego says me error reading ssd and after nothing | 12:02 |
| thiago | and you're sure it's not your SSD? | 12:02 |
| niala_sad | i think is my ssd | 12:02 |
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| thiago | if it is dying, there's nothing the fs can help you with | 12:02 |
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| niala_sad | btrfs was just a question, because is a new system | 12:02 |
| niala_sad | thiago, what is the advantage of btrfs ? | 12:03 |
| * thiago has an SSD with btrfs and no problems | 12:03 | |
| thiago | well, many | 12:03 |
| vilvo | I got meego running with ssd in my netbook so that should not be a generic problem | 12:03 |
| niala_sad | vilvo, yes i think i have just no luck, meego works on my ssd since day one to yesterday | 12:04 |
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| niala_sad | i need an obs account, to save me from losing my rpm next time | 12:08 |
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| niala_sad | ntfs-3g nmap amsn mytheme shortcuts qt 4.7 libmeegotouch all codecs ..... pfff 2days ... | 12:18 |
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| niala_sad | thiago, if I install meego from preview ( i mean from .ks file)I have qt 4.7 and libmeegotouch working ? | 12:20 |
| niala_sad | or anybody else | 12:21 |
| niala_sad | of course | 12:21 |
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| ljp | niala_sad: oh, did I mention the camera is upside down :) | 12:34 |
| niala_sad | ljp, no driver? | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | niala_sad: i have a guide so you can set up your own obs | 12:35 |
| ljp | or, rather, the image the camera takes... known issue not just meego, but for t101-mt and linux | 12:35 |
| ljp | ya, there is a fix apparently | 12:35 |
| niala_sad | ljp, i read that http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2010/07/howto-ubuntu-linux-on-t101mt.html | 12:37 |
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| niala_sad | Stskeeps, well my own obs, sure i can do my own linux to and my own community alone with one guy (joke) where is you guide please? | 12:59 |
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| Stskeeps | niala_sad: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS | 13:00 |
| niala_sad | thx | 13:00 |
| niala_sad | but if my hd fail my obs fail to :) | 13:03 |
| niala_sad | if my hd don't fail i don't need external save | 13:04 |
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| niala_sad | I'll invest in a hammer and chisel is more sure than a computer to save text :) | 13:07 |
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| Stskeeps | backup | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:08 |
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| niala_sad | nothing to say for defend me :) | 13:09 |
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| ankur | Hi All | 13:57 |
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| ankur | I saw few post on internet in people were bashing about bringing mono to meego | 13:58 |
| ankur | I dont know what is the problem of these people | 13:58 |
| ankur | Is there anyone who think same... i.e. mono should not be there on meego? | 13:59 |
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| niala_sad | what is 'mono' ? | 14:05 |
| andre__ | niala_sad, http://mono-project.com/ | 14:06 |
| Myrtti | well, he's gone | 14:07 |
| Myrtti | didn't even want an answer | 14:07 |
| niala_sad | it s a novel product | 14:12 |
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| CosmoHill | some people have no patients | 14:13 |
| niala_sad | no qt in http://mono-project.com/Plans | 14:13 |
| niala_sad | i have no opinion | 14:14 |
| niala_sad | :) | 14:14 |
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| Myrtti | CosmoHill: patients? I sure hope they don't | 14:17 |
| * CosmoHill may have mean a similar sounding word | 14:17 | |
| * Myrtti puts a little dot on her diary | 14:18 | |
| niala_sad | remember mme how you make *note in xchat ? | 14:18 |
| Myrtti | /me | 14:19 |
| CosmoHill | /you | 14:20 |
| th0br0 | ;) | 14:20 |
| * niala_sad me for you end you form. tea for two | 14:20 | |
| niala_sad | thx | 14:20 |
| CosmoHill | /nick niala_happy | 14:20 |
| CosmoHill | ? | 14:20 |
| CosmoHill | ^.^ | 14:21 |
| niala_sad | after when i buy a asust101 or/and if i can change my ssd | 14:21 |
| niala_sad | but i have hope http://www.blogeee.net/2008/11/la-carte-mere-du-eeepc-s101/ | 14:22 |
| niala_sad | i must be patient | 14:22 |
| CosmoHill | damn that's a huge battery compartment | 14:23 |
| th0br0 | je crois pas que tu peux echanger la ssd ... | 14:23 |
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| th0br0 | CosmoHill: indeed | 14:23 |
| niala_sad | th0br0, ah euh bonjour, your sure? | 14:24 |
| th0br0 | it's a good question actually... given that he talks about minipcie... | 14:24 |
| CosmoHill | IIRC the Dell Mini 9s used a mini PCI-E SSD card | 14:24 |
| th0br0 | oh those chips are just some mlcs | 14:24 |
| th0br0 | i thought they were the ssd ;) but yeah, seems like you can. | 14:25 |
| niala_sad | may be difficult to find the good ssd | 14:25 |
| th0br0 | yea | 14:25 |
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| th0br0 | i can only find some 32gb max | 14:26 |
| th0br0 | correct that, also some 128gb | 14:26 |
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| th0br0 | but it really seems as if those MLC are thessd | 14:26 |
| niala_sad | size is not very important for me i live with 16 :) | 14:26 |
| th0br0 | hehe :) | 14:26 |
| th0br0 | uhm | 14:27 |
| niala_sad | th0br0, you are french ? | 14:27 |
| th0br0 | german, but i'm pretty much fluent in french, too | 14:27 |
| niala_sad | wunderbach | 14:27 |
| th0br0 | ;) | 14:27 |
| niala_sad | i m french | 14:27 |
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| th0br0 | yeah. mh, i found some 32gb ssd for the s101 on the german amazon | 14:28 |
| th0br0 | even some 64gb | 14:28 |
| * CosmoHill is English (and therefore sucks at all other languages) | 14:28 | |
| niala_sad | can you give the link | 14:28 |
| th0br0 | 1 sec | 14:29 |
| th0br0 | http://www.supertalent.com/products/ssd_detail.php?type=SATA%20Mini%20PCIe | 14:29 |
| th0br0 | that's the one you want | 14:29 |
| inTransit | supertalent works | 14:29 |
| th0br0 | you just have to find some french store :) | 14:30 |
| th0br0 | http://www.amazon.de/Super-Talent-miniPCIe-Speicherkarte-Lesen/dp/B0026RWG5W or order in the german amazon store ;) http://www.amazon.de/Super-Talent-miniPCIe-Speicherkarte-Lesen/dp/B0026RWG5W | 14:30 |
| niala_sad | by plane or ship or cycle i don't care :) | 14:30 |
| Myrtti | CosmoHill: I just love it when I can put those little dots on my diary | 14:30 |
| CosmoHill | hehe | 14:31 |
| th0br0 | niala_sad: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/64GB-SuperTalent-FPM64GHAE-Mini-PCIe-(PATA)-MLC-Internal-(SSD)-For-Asus-Eee-PC | 14:31 |
| th0br0 | that page's in english at least :) | 14:32 |
| CosmoHill | I'd recommend Scan Computers :) | 14:32 |
| th0br0 | and it's cheaper than the offero n amazon.de | 14:32 |
| th0br0 | aww nah that one's bad. | 14:32 |
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| th0br0 | not for the s101 :( | 14:32 |
| CosmoHill | it's also pre-order | 14:33 |
| niala_sad | not sur for s101 | 14:33 |
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| th0br0 | http://www.google.de/products?q=fpm64grse&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=fr&tab=wf | 14:33 |
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| th0br0 | seems sorta difficult to find one in france or in the uk | 14:34 |
| niala_sad | i think http://www.amazon.fr/Super-Talent-miniPCIe-Disque-Allemagne/dp/B001O9WLTY/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1287142418&sr=8-1-fkmr0 | 14:34 |
| th0br0 | niala_sad: that's GHAE you want GRSE | 14:35 |
| kraiskil | my Eee's HD was a surface mount component soldered directly on the motherboard. Well, 4 components actually. Then one died... | 14:36 |
| th0br0 | kraiskil: sucks :S | 14:36 |
| th0br0 | the s101 seems to have some card mounted using screws | 14:36 |
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| kraiskil | Would make a nice MeeGo test computer, if only it didn't have a Celeron :D | 14:36 |
| th0br0 | ^ | 14:36 |
| kraiskil | (without SSSEEE3) | 14:37 |
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| th0br0 | niala_sad: http://www.amazon.com/Super-Talent-PCI-E-SATA2-FPM32GRSE/dp/B0028Y4FMA | 14:37 |
| th0br0 | the problem with that are the tariffs :( | 14:37 |
| CosmoHill | why not go to the maker's website and look for distribution? | 14:38 |
| th0br0 | CosmoHill: there is no french distributor at all, and all uk ones don't offer the ones he needs. only amazon.de / com | 14:39 |
| CosmoHill | it's all in euros right? | 14:39 |
| th0br0 | huh? | 14:39 |
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| CosmoHill | I mean France and Germany both use Euros | 14:39 |
| th0br0 | yeah. | 14:40 |
| th0br0 | as long as he gets it from within the eu there are no tariffs | 14:40 |
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| niala_sad | i think is no problems with amazon.de germany is at 6km :) | 14:41 |
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| th0br0 | hehe yeah, i was just concerned regarding the language | 14:42 |
| th0br0 | niala_sad: if you want a 32gb one http://www.amazon.de/Super-Talent-miniPCIe-Speicherkarte-Lesen/dp/B0026RWG5W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1287142843&sr=8-1 is the way to go | 14:42 |
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| th0br0 | oh hm | 14:43 |
| CosmoHill | I was looking for something and the nearest shop that sold it and spoke English was in Belgium :/ | 14:43 |
| th0br0 | just make sure to get it from that drucken-total reseller not the memory king one... the latter doesn't list shipping costs within the eu (on their page, the product costs 10€ less but you have to add 13€ shipping for france) | 14:44 |
| th0br0 | hehe CosmoHill | 14:44 |
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| niala_sad | how many screw will I lost | 14:47 |
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| th0br0 | huh? | 14:47 |
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| th0br0 | based off that blogpost (see the last image) we're talking 2 screws | 14:48 |
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| th0br0 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/13815526@N02/3002515312/ | 14:48 |
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| * CosmoHill has done about 1300 words in an hour :D | 14:51 | |
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| niala_sad | but to acces on it i must disassemble all the netbook | 14:54 |
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| th0br0 | that's true | 14:58 |
| crysaz | any fallout fans here? http://designed.tauriini.fi/vault4b/ | 14:58 |
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| th0br0 | hrhr | 14:59 |
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| th0br0 | someone clearly had a lot of time :D | 14:59 |
| hena | too much | 15:00 |
| th0br0 | ^^ | 15:00 |
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| th0br0 | this is some frustrating qt creator bug ... | 15:00 |
| th0br0 | oh it isn't | 15:01 |
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| dneary_ | Hi | 15:34 |
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| Stskeeps | afternoon | 15:35 |
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| dneary_ | Stskeeps, I was hoping to find Thomas Frydrych (author of hildon-desktop) here... | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, i think the collabora crowd would be a good start | 15:39 |
| dneary_ | Stskeeps, Because I can't find anything which might parse .desktop files in hildon-desktop or libhildondesktop | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | really? | 15:39 |
| dneary_ | I'm going on the web interface for now, when I've finished cloning I'll do a recursive string search | 15:40 |
| Robot101 | marcoil or marnanel might know? | 15:41 |
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| dneary_ | Robot101, Thanks for the tip | 15:42 |
| dneary_ | Robot101, Is Thomas working for ye now? I thought he was still in Intel | 15:42 |
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| Robot101 | still? he's never been... | 15:42 |
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| marnanel | dneary_: it's in hildon-desktop; I can find you a line reference if you like | 15:43 |
| marnanel | dneary_: Thomas = me? I've never worked for Intel | 15:43 |
| Robot101 | thinking of Thomas Wood (thos)? | 15:43 |
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| dneary_ | marnanel, A file or function name would be fine. Thanks! | 15:44 |
| marnanel | dneary_: okay, looking now | 15:44 |
| dneary_ | Robot101, No, definitely Frydrych | 15:46 |
| dneary_ | But maybe I'm getting confused | 15:46 |
| Robot101 | dneary_: ah, he's not marnanel either - but yes, he's at Intel | 15:47 |
| marnanel | dneary_: the code to parse .desktop files is in src/launcher/hd-launcher-app.c, function hd_launcher_app_parse_keyfile() | 15:48 |
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| dneary_ | marnanel, Thanks | 15:56 |
| marnanel | dneary_: any time | 15:56 |
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| dneary_ | marnanel, I would never have found that hunting through gitorious :) | 15:56 |
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| marnanel | I would have found it sooner six months ago, but my memory was a little rusty | 15:57 |
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| dneary_ | marnanel, Does that also handle things like links & shortcuts, or only Type = Application? | 15:58 |
| marnanel | IIRC it handles links and shortcuts as well, but I could be wrong. I can check if you like | 15:59 |
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| dneary_ | marnanel, I'm reading the code... seems like there are some thing that aren't defined either in hd-launcher-app.c or in any of the headers it includes... I guess I should run ctags on it & find out where the definition is | 16:08 |
| dneary_ | marnanel, HD_DESKTOP_ENTRY_GROUP for example | 16:08 |
| marnanel | hm, odd. I don't remember where that's defined. Maybe it's passed in by autotools or something like that? | 16:08 |
| dneary_ | I'll figure it out when this git clone is done :) It's slow! | 16:09 |
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| dneary_ | marnanel, Also, I guess that the standard freedesktop.org fields are parsed elsewhere (and perhaps custom groups also?) | 16:10 |
| marnanel | I think so, yes. I think that part only does as much as it needs | 16:11 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: So, from the end user point of view will there be a boot-time UI option to select between Maemo and Meego? | 16:35 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Or is it still open-device-remove-sd-card-insert-new-sd-card-close-power-on? | 16:35 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: latter | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | if there's no sd, boots up maemo | 16:36 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: eh... | 16:38 |
| Milhouse | Stskeeps: and if there is an sd card, there will be no choice it just boots from sd card (assuming it is bootable)? | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | Milhouse: right, that's current uboot setup. howeeever. it is configurable. | 16:38 |
| Milhouse | a simple boot UI would be nice. :) | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | it has a console with keypad.. ;p | 16:38 |
| Milhouse | just offer the UI if the SD is present and bootable? | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | could happen i guess | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | but let's see where it goes | 16:39 |
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| Stskeeps | it's not really a PR1.3 feature | 16:40 |
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| Milhouse | personally speaking, i don't want to have to remove the SD card (with MeeGo) in order to boot Maemo - I'm sure I'll end up snapping the back cover | 16:40 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: I kinda suspect that 99% of lemmings and 85% of the rest think that "Meego boot support in PR1.3" implies this UI feature =) | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes.. | 16:41 |
| Milhouse | right now I dd MeeGo on to the SD card while it is mounted in the n900 - worked everytime so far. in which case booting meego via the temporary kernel is a better option than any automatic dual boot policy. | 16:41 |
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| Stskeeps | Milhouse: for some reason some people don't have pcs for demo purposes | 16:42 |
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| Milhouse | RST38h: It did read that way (not sure what category I fall into) | 16:42 |
| Milhouse | Stskeeps: No problem with that, but surely everyone can be accomodated | 16:43 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:43 |
| Milhouse | even if there's no ui and we hold down a button on the keypad a bit like we do with "U" for usb/flashing mode. | 16:44 |
| Milhouse | M to boot MeeGo, no button held and it boots Maemo... :) | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:45 |
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| arfoll | does anyone have a WeTab? | 17:09 |
| Myrtti | not that I do, but why are you asking? | 17:11 |
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| arfoll | Myrtti, i'd like to know if libcrystalhd is included | 17:23 |
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| arfoll | and if so where can i find the src.rpm | 17:23 |
| arfoll | cause the 3G version has a broadcom 70015 | 17:23 |
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| qgil | robtaylor: have you run the MeeGo compatibility test against http://bit.ly/biUeaL ? :) | 17:24 |
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| qgil | sob sob Chrome in MeeGo Netbook can't digest http://paper.li/tag/meego - really: has someone packaged Firefox for MeeGo? | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | used to be packaged | 17:36 |
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| qgil | ok, I reckon that I haven't gone through installation of new repos yet... Maybe it's time to install my first rpm ever ;) | 17:38 |
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| qgil | Any event where MeeGo should be active missing at http://wiki.meego.com/Events#Events_proposed ? We are planning the events to focus on 2011 | 17:46 |
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| robtaylor | qgil: hehe :) | 17:56 |
| robtaylor | qgil: I promise to bring you one to the conference, don't think it'll fit an n900 though.. | 17:56 |
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| qgil | robtaylor: maybe sliding out the kb... | 17:57 |
| thiago | qgil: CES | 17:58 |
| thiago | and the LinuxCons | 17:58 |
| robtaylor | qgil: heh :) | 17:58 |
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| qgil | thiago: Angela promised to fill in the Linux Foundation events - CES, good point | 17:58 |
| robtaylor | qgil: have you settled well over state-side now? | 17:59 |
| thiago | there's obviously Dev Days 2011, but since the 2010 isn't over yet, it's a bit too soon :-) | 17:59 |
| qgil | robtaylor: mostly yes, the last bureaucratic step I'm aware of is the driving exam to get a local driving license.................................................................. | 17:59 |
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| GAN900 | qgil, easy. | 18:00 |
| thiago | qgil: btw, knut was making the 2011 plans today too. You should touch base with him for Nokia sponsorships. | 18:00 |
| thiago | I'm trying to convince him to take the LF "all-you-can-eat" sponsorship | 18:00 |
| qgil | GAN900: I guess, since I have been driving for some many years - but just the idea of having to do again a driving test bores me | 18:00 |
| robtaylor | qgil: good luck! | 18:01 |
| qgil | thiago: who is "him"? | 18:01 |
| thiago | qgil: knut yrvin | 18:01 |
| qgil | thiago: you mean sponsoring with a Qt, a MeeGo or a Nokia logo? :) | 18:01 |
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| thiago | qgil: well, that's something that you and he can discuss together | 18:02 |
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| thiago | qgil: I just think we need a presence there, regardless of which logo is shown :-) | 18:02 |
| dneary | marnanel, I found that definition, by the way | 18:02 |
| qgil | thiago: yep - now I'm looking exclusively for MeeGo activities | 18:02 |
| marnanel | oh, cool | 18:02 |
| thiago | qgil: who coordinates MeeGo Computers @ Nokia presence in events? | 18:03 |
| thiago | qgil: is that Forum Nokia? | 18:03 |
| thiago | or corporate comms? | 18:03 |
| dneary | marnanel, In hd-launcher-item.h (included from hd-launcher-app.h, which is included in hd-launcher-app.c) | 18:03 |
| qgil | thiago: MeeGo Computers ;) Peter Schneider coordinates | 18:03 |
| * marnanel nods | 18:04 | |
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| dneary | qgil, Do you have any idea where the meego event budget is going to come from, and how much it'll be? | 18:04 |
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| qgil | dneary: how much and even where from will depend on the events we target | 18:04 |
| dneary | qgil, I ask, because it'll affect which events you sponsor & attend, and also how big a presence (in the case of a stand) you want to have | 18:05 |
| qgil | dneary: more than a generic budget for the year a % of the budget might come from specific actions around a specific event | 18:05 |
| thiago | qgil: CES activities I know are ongoing already. Chuck Piercey (RWC) to contact. We're obviously bringing MeeGo demos :-) | 18:05 |
| dneary | qgil, It's an unusual way to proceed, starting from events :) | 18:05 |
| qgil | dneary: but like with other things nowadays, I assume the critical mass will be covered by Intel/Nokia | 18:05 |
| dneary | qgil, I'm used to going the other way - "OK, we have $100K event marketing budget, what do we do with it?" | 18:05 |
| qgil | dneary: not unusual for an organization without own budget and own employees or own cost centers, if you think of it | 18:06 |
| thiago | if everyone buys a wetab, maybe 4tiitoo can also sponsor the events :-) | 18:06 |
| dneary | And then you decide whether to do a big splash in 1 or 2 key events, or a lower-key presence in a larger number | 18:06 |
| qgil | dneary: that approach is feasible when you have one cost center and one budget approver - the MeeGo project is more decentralized than that | 18:06 |
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| dneary | qgil, The first challenge then is to get budget | 18:07 |
| qgil | also the MeeGo project and stakeholders in October 2010 probably will be different enough in, say June 2011 | 18:07 |
| dneary | And the budget approval process will come with the budget | 18:07 |
| qgil | dneary: trust me: no. The first challenge is the MeeGo project deciding what do we aim for | 18:07 |
| dneary | No point setting up a distributed budget approval process with no money... | 18:07 |
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| qgil | if you go event by event you will see that the budget required is almost peanuts when you split costs by Nokia, Intel and whoever else wants to pull | 18:08 |
| thiago | qgil: there's also FISL in Southern Brazil, which is a huge event (4000+ people) | 18:08 |
| GAN900 | qgil, it's CA, what do you expect but inane bureaucracy. :P | 18:08 |
| dneary | OK - I'll leave you to it, then. | 18:08 |
| thiago | Qt has been represented there for 3 years in a row | 18:08 |
| qgil | dneary: trust me again: I sit close to the budget decision-makers and the money is there | 18:08 |
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| dneary | qgil, Who should Stormy & Claudia talk to about the Desktop Summit & MeeGo then, you? | 18:09 |
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| dneary | (perhaps this is already happening) | 18:09 |
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| dneary | Hi Dawn | 18:09 |
| qgil | dneary: a decision the MeeGo project and the MeeGo related companies need to take is whether we really want MeeGo (logo) as sponsor | 18:09 |
| DawnFoster | hey dneary | 18:09 |
| qgil | Getting a logo is one of the highest costs and I wonder if we really need that | 18:10 |
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| dneary | qgil, You think it's more valuable to have Novell, Intel, Nokia, GENIVI as individual sponsors? | 18:10 |
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| qgil | getting MeeGo speakers, booth, merchandising is more valuable, I think | 18:10 |
| thiago | dneary: making the list allows at least the companies to know who to contact | 18:10 |
| qgil | the companies will decide anyway whether to sponsor or not, the fact of having a meeGo logo doesn't add or take from having a, say, Nokia logo | 18:11 |
| thiago | both Intel and Nokia will be at CES, for example. If they're going to talk about MeeGo, they should pool together and bring complementing demos. | 18:11 |
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| thiago | no point in everyone bringing wetabs | 18:12 |
| qgil | CES is a good example: sponsoring at that conference is hugely expensive - however if we would be organized on time we could probably get speaker, even physical presence | 18:12 |
| dneary | qgil, It seems very high value to me to have MeeGo align with the desktop summit, given how much cross-over there is | 18:12 |
| thiago | dneary: definitely | 18:12 |
| thiago | the desktop summit definitely, meego is the embodiment of cooperation there | 18:12 |
| dneary | qgil, I would also suggest going in that direction for OSiM World. MeeGo has a very low-key presence this year | 18:12 |
| qgil | OSiM has very low-key presence in the industry too, if you ask me | 18:13 |
| dneary | (by "that direction" I mean what you said, not what I said) | 18:13 |
| dneary | As in, get a speaker | 18:13 |
| thiago | the LF events, LF will take care. MeeGo is, after all, an LF project :-) | 18:13 |
| dneary | thiago, LF still needs money to run events :) | 18:13 |
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| thiago | http://events.linuxfoundation.org/_sponsorship/lf_2011_sponsorship.pdf | 18:14 |
| qgil | dneary: so you see, defining events helps knowing better abouit deadlines for call for papers and non-profit booth proposals | 18:14 |
| thiago | that's quite a chunk of money :-) | 18:14 |
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| qgil | dneary: the budget around those events can focus on MeeGo swag, events box, sponsoring volunteers... | 18:14 |
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| qgil | dneary: instead of a MeeGo logo | 18:14 |
| qgil | dneary: that money can come from the companies directly - as they usually do | 18:15 |
| dneary | There is actually a high relative value to being cornerstone sponsor & having a nice party at an event that's bringing so many meego & related hackers together | 18:16 |
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| qgil | dneary: you are saying two different things: cornerstone sponsor = a lot of money, sponsoring a nice party not so much - let's go for the latter (as we did a GUADEC / aKademy) | 18:16 |
| dneary | But if you think that it's better for Intel & Nokia to sponsor individually,n then I'm not going to convince you otherwise today :) I'm not sure that everyone in Nokia & Intel will agree with you, though | 18:16 |
| dneary | qgil, The nice party will be offered to the cornerstone sponsor first | 18:17 |
| dneary | This is how these things always work | 18:17 |
| qgil | dneary: what I'msaying is that e.g. Nokia will consider sponsoring Desktop Summit with own Nokia logo regardless of a meeGo logo yes/no | 18:17 |
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| qgil | dneary: fine, those events have more than one night | 18:17 |
| dneary | Anyway - I'm overstepping my responsibilities here - Claudia & Stormy will be looking for sponsors. | 18:18 |
| qgil | dneary: yes, we talk every year :) | 18:18 |
| dneary | It seemed obvious to me (but I guess maybe it's not so obvious) that Intel & Nokia would want MeeGo to be the brand that would be celebrated at the Desktop Summit | 18:18 |
| thiago | dneary: well, technically MeeGo is not a desktop | 18:19 |
| dneary | But you're the marketing guy | 18:19 |
| thiago | doesn't want to be and doesn't take the UIs from either of the desktops | 18:19 |
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| dneary | thiago, Semantics, since neither GNOME nor KDE limits themselves to the traditional desktop these days (and for quite some time) | 18:19 |
| thiago | However, MeeGo has an interest in that event succeeding because of the overlap and ensuring that the technologies coming from it are improved too | 18:19 |
| thiago | true, I'll concede that :-) | 18:20 |
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| thiago | ok, so maybe the MeeGo brand should be shown | 18:20 |
| thiago | I'm pretty sure that we'll want the Qt brand too, as we've sponsored Akademy since forever | 18:20 |
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| qgil | gentlemen, now you see why it's worth to define events first and then see what specifically we need to do in each event :) CES and Desktop Summit and COPU Beijing and Qt Dev Days have totally different approaches | 18:21 |
| thiago | qgil: are you coming to DD SFO? | 18:22 |
| qgil | dneary: yes :) | 18:22 |
| qgil | I mean thiago YES :) | 18:22 |
| thiago | ah, ok :-) | 18:22 |
| * thiago needs to go upstairs to see the current registration numbers | 18:23 | |
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| thiago | we had 1000+ people in Munich :-) | 18:23 |
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| qgil | dneary: one more comment about budget: in practice also e.g. Nokia has the 1H2011 marketing budget quite defined now, but then for each of these events "they" can think whether 100% of the activity goes around 'Nokia', or around 'MeeGo' or around 'Qt' or a combination of these | 18:24 |
| qgil | again, for Nokia, Intel and any other MeeGo related company is interesting to know in the first place what are the intention of the MeeGo project ref Event X | 18:24 |
| * qgil goes to update Events table now | 18:24 | |
| dneary | thiago, Personally, I'd prefer to see the MeeGo brand more prominent, since MeeGo also covers Qt in some sense | 18:25 |
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| thiago | dneary: same for me | 18:26 |
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| dneary | qgil, Since the conference is in August, I guess it'd be coming out of the 2011 H2 budget? :) | 18:26 |
| thiago | dneary: but having the brand shown requires that someone pay for it | 18:26 |
| dneary | thiago, Indeed | 18:26 |
| thiago | and usually that someone is the entity that owns the brand, namely the LF | 18:27 |
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| dneary | thiago, And paying for the MeeGo brand to be prominent will cost less for each individual company, since more companies will pitch in ;) | 18:27 |
| qgil | dneary: not necessarily if you want to pay the bill or commit to the expense in 1H - boring accountant bureaucracy | 18:27 |
| thiago | hence the need for the table: what are the events and which ones should the LF put money on | 18:27 |
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| dneary | thiago, I don't think that MeeGo budget should come 100% from LF | 18:27 |
| dneary | And be 100% an LF decision | 18:27 |
| thiago | technically, it is | 18:28 |
| thiago | only the LF can allow the brand to be used | 18:28 |
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| qgil | LF's budget come from sponsors too | 18:28 |
| dneary | I'd prefer it to be a "Let's define what we want to do, estimate the costs, then decide how much each party will put in" | 18:28 |
| thiago | but the LF can say that a pool of companies can use it in an event, with a checklist of conditions | 18:28 |
| thiago | I think we're talking about the same thing | 18:28 |
| qgil | dneary: great - isn't this exactly what I'm saying? :9 | 18:28 |
| thiago | as long as the money doesn't get corroded by too many international transfers | 18:29 |
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| qgil | guys, everything is fine: just help defining the list of events to focus and then the right MeeGo approach for each event - you can save the hassle of thinking about international transfers etc if you wish, others are taking care of this | 18:29 |
| dneary | qgil, Yes, LF money comes from sponsors - but saying all the money will come from LF implies that the decision will be made by Jim & Amanda (or whoever), and not by the community managers | 18:29 |
| dneary | qgil, I guess I've chipped in my 10c there - I'll wait to see what you come up with now. | 18:30 |
| qgil | dneary: you are reading too much, then - as you see the task is assigned to Amy, DawnFoster and me are overlooking like we do for all Community Office tasks and all the discussion is happening in meego-community and now here | 18:30 |
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| qgil | dneary: actually LF decides basically nothing alone about MeeGo sponsorship and the initiative has come from Amy, Dawn, me and the people you usually around MeeGo community activities | 18:31 |
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| dneary | qgil, I was responding to Thiago. Don't assume the worst, please | 18:33 |
| dneary | qgil, I am pretty clear on the situation | 18:33 |
| qgil | thiago: http://wiki.meego.com/Events#Events_proposed updated with CES and Qt Dev days - thank you | 18:34 |
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| dneary | DawnFoster, Good to see Werewolf on the agenda :) | 18:34 |
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| dneary | Any idea where we'll do it? 8pm is eating time in Dublin, usually... | 18:35 |
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| DawnFoster | dneary: Yep. I added it :) I'm also making cards for it. | 18:35 |
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| DawnFoster | we | 18:35 |
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| DawnFoster | we'll have space in the hotel where we can do it after dinner | 18:35 |
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| DawnFoster | feel free to adjust the time if you want | 18:35 |
| DawnFoster | games can be long, so we don't want to push it too late | 18:36 |
| dneary | How long? | 18:36 |
| DawnFoster | depends on how I run it and how many people we have | 18:36 |
| dneary | A round lasts ~5 minutes? | 18:36 |
| DawnFoster | yep | 18:36 |
| DawnFoster | dneary: actually, I don't have time to chat about the details right now | 18:36 |
| dneary | OK | 18:37 |
| DawnFoster | I need to be head's down finishing metrics today :) | 18:37 |
| dneary | I'll let you get on with it | 18:37 |
| DawnFoster | we can chat next week about it | 18:37 |
| dneary | It sounds like you really need to automate most of this stuff & get a community dashboard up & running | 18:37 |
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| DawnFoster | I've automated a lot of it, but I have do some some additional analysis | 18:38 |
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| Stskeeps | auke: weird question, but why don't we just symlink sample media? i mean, the use case would be that a user can remove the files again (easy) and even with COW you'd have to remove sample-media too.. | 19:13 |
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| slonopotamus | because FAT doesn't have symlinks :P | 19:14 |
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| qgil | Stskeeps: "COW" ? | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | copy on write | 19:24 |
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| Stskeeps | means that when you copy a file, it's first physically copied when someone tries to write something to/modify it | 19:24 |
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| Chani | COW FTW :) | 19:27 |
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| auke | Stskeeps: somehow I have my doubts that the file manipulation tools on handset would do the right thing with symlinks ;) | 19:40 |
| auke | and yes, the fallback to regular copy will work on vfat etc... | 19:41 |
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| maharaja_ | hello, i am new to meego, and i want to make USB image drive for another OS, please help me :( | 19:59 |
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| djszapi | would you like to create an image ? | 20:00 |
| maharaja_ | yes, on usb | 20:00 |
| maharaja_ | what program should i use? | 20:00 |
| djszapi | mic2 ? | 20:00 |
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| djszapi | http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation | 20:00 |
| djszapi | sudo mic-image-writer meego-1.0-default-XX.iso | 20:00 |
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| djszapi | you should look into this part of the page I presume. | 20:01 |
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| auke | infobot: image-creation is see http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation for tips on how to create images with various OS's | 20:02 |
| infobot | okay, auke | 20:02 |
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| maharaja_ | but how can i edit /etc/yum.repos.d/meego-tools.repo? | 20:03 |
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| auke | infobot: cow is Copy on Write, a method for filesystems to copy data only once it's being modified, saving IO work when it's not directly needed. | 20:04 |
| * infobot moos at is Copy on Write, a method for filesystems to copy data only once it's being modified, saving IO work when it's not directly needed. | 20:04 | |
| auke | hahahaha | 20:04 |
| djszapi | maharaja_: vi | 20:04 |
| auke | ~cow | 20:04 |
| infobot | i guess cow is "<reply> I am a cow, hear me moo. I eat grass and weigh twice as much as you." | 20:04 |
| auke | dang! foiled by the infobot | 20:04 |
| djszapi | maharaja_: that is a typo imo, /etc/yum/repos.d/... | 20:04 |
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| djszapi | auke: what are you doing ? :=) | 20:04 |
| auke | djszapi: I've been feeding useful FAQ items to the infobot, but I guess "cow" is already in use | 20:05 |
| auke | infobot: forget cow | 20:05 |
| infobot | auke: i forgot cow | 20:05 |
| auke | infobot: cow is Copy on Write, a method for filesystems to copy data only once it's being modified, saving IO work when it's not directly needed. | 20:05 |
| * infobot moos at is Copy on Write, a method for filesystems to copy data only once it's being modified, saving IO work when it's not directly needed. | 20:05 | |
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| auke | ~cow | 20:05 |
| RST38h | Hey stop killing cows you evil buthers | 20:05 |
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| RST38h | butchers | 20:05 |
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| djszapi | auke: ahh, yeah that is useful ;) | 20:06 |
| auke | infobot: copyonwrite is Copy on Write (CoW) is a method for filesystems to copy data only once it's being modified, saving IO work when it's not directly needed. | 20:06 |
| infobot | auke: okay | 20:06 |
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| auke | djszapi: whenever I see someone asking something I think the infobot doesn't know, I'll add it | 20:07 |
| djszapi | yeah, if it seems to be a common question, faq it is good idea, keep up with the good job :) | 20:07 |
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| maharaja_ | i still don't know what to do :( | 20:08 |
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| popping-kam | salut ici | 20:09 |
| auke | maharaja_: what operating system? | 20:09 |
| djszapi | maharaja_: what is the question ? | 20:09 |
| djszapi | maharaja_: what does not work by you which is in the description ? | 20:10 |
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| auke | infobot: installing is HOWTO for installing a MeeGo image (for netbook) is here: http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook | 20:11 |
| infobot | auke: okay | 20:11 |
| popping-kam | personne ne parle francais ici :s ?? | 20:11 |
| maharaja_ | i am currently using meego, but i want to install ubuntu | 20:11 |
| popping-kam | i'm french someone speak french please? | 20:11 |
| auke | popping-kam: non, on parles anglais ici | 20:11 |
| maharaja_ | i have downloaded image file, and now i need to burn it on USB | 20:11 |
| maharaja_ | i have installed mic2 | 20:11 |
| auke | maharaja_: http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook | 20:11 |
| auke | maharaja_: basically `dd bs=4096 if=<image file> of=<usb drive>` | 20:12 |
| auke | but read that last page | 20:12 |
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| auke | popping-kam: what's the problem? | 20:12 |
| auke | que'est-ce que est la probleme? | 20:13 |
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| auke | boy my french has deteriorated... | 20:13 |
| niala_sad | lol auke better than my english | 20:13 |
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| auke | niala_sad: unused languages :) | 20:13 |
| popping-kam | le probleme je veux mettre meego sur un eeepc 4gb (i want meego on my eeepc 4gb) | 20:14 |
| maharaja_ | thank you for help! | 20:14 |
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| niala_sad | popping-kam, 4G de disque dur? ca tien sur une clé usb de 1g | 20:14 |
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| popping-kam | :d niala_sad super alors :d | 20:14 |
| auke | popping-kam: voyez http://bit.ly/9yeKnQ | 20:15 |
| popping-kam | mais le format de l'image est img... | 20:15 |
| popping-kam | hum aukemerci | 20:15 |
| auke | c'est pas un probleme: dd le image sur un disque usb | 20:15 |
| niala_sad | popping-kam, tu as un autre linux sous la main? | 20:15 |
| popping-kam | je suis sur fedora niala_sad | 20:15 |
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| popping-kam | je vous parle de fedora | 20:15 |
| auke | ben oui, 'dd' doit marcher | 20:15 |
| auke | le google translate page doit te mettre les bonnes examples | 20:16 |
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| niala_sad | popping-kam --->auke> maharaja_: basically `dd bs=4096 if=<image file> of=<usb drive>` | 20:16 |
| auke | ca | 20:16 |
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| popping-kam | niala_sad: bite copier c'est quoi ? | 20:16 |
| niala_sad | copie de byte a byte | 20:17 |
| auke | excusez moi pour ma Francais terrible | 20:17 |
| niala_sad | ce n est pas important, il te faut l 'image .img puis utilise 'dd' | 20:17 |
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| popping-kam | niala_sad: j'ai l'image img deja | 20:18 |
| popping-kam | je fait quoi maintenant | 20:18 |
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| niala_sad | auke, you speak like a charm | 20:18 |
| auke | niala_sad: are you french/french speaking? | 20:19 |
| niala_sad | dd bs=4096 if=nom_de_l_image of=/dev/periphérique_usb | 20:19 |
| niala_sad | auke, french | 20:19 |
| sjokkis | why are we speaking french? | 20:19 |
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| niala_sad | popping-kam, sous le compte root | 20:20 |
| popping-kam | niala_sad: je decompresse l'image dans le support usb ou je met directement l'imagte comme sa | 20:20 |
| popping-kam | oui je suis en root la | 20:20 |
| sjokkis | if you're gonna speak something besides english, please take it somewhere else | 20:20 |
| niala_sad | ok ok c'est bon popping-kam viens en pv | 20:20 |
| niala_sad | it's not french it's secret code for hacking meego | 20:21 |
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| djszapi | yeah, security fw :) | 20:22 |
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| pupnik_ | http://xckd.com/ is epic today... | 20:25 |
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| auke | sjokkis: we're helping out someone load an image. not everyone speaks english well enough | 20:26 |
| CosmoHill | pupnik_: ++ | 20:27 |
| auke | sjokkis: if the topic is appropriate and we're not all talking french, there's nothing wrong with helping someone out in a languange they understand | 20:27 |
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| qgil | auke: c'est vrai | 20:28 |
| CosmoHill | qui? | 20:28 |
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| auke | qgil: haha | 20:29 |
| auke | I'm not about to talk finnish in here | 20:29 |
| auke | especially | 20:29 |
| auke | since I don't speak it :) | 20:29 |
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| auke | funny thing is that nobody ever on irc asks me something in dutch | 20:29 |
| djszapi | miksi ei ? | 20:29 |
| qgil | auke: nor me - I'm from barcelona and my french doesn't go beyond a dressed up Northern Catalan ;) | 20:29 |
| auke | qgil: figueras french eh? | 20:30 |
| qgil | auke: voilà | 20:30 |
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| auke | figueres mea cupla | 20:30 |
| auke | been a while since I was in barcelona and surroundings | 20:31 |
| qgil | auke: no worries, Dutch people are forgiven for almost anything | 20:31 |
| auke | slavery? thanks | 20:31 |
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| auke | alright back to on-topic | 20:31 |
| auke | how about that TSG eh? | 20:32 |
| * CosmoHill would like to learn french / dutch sometime | 20:32 | |
| qgil | what is better, on-topic in French or off-topic in English? ;) anyway, back to work :) | 20:32 |
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| pupnik_ | indeed | 20:35 |
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| CosmoHill | I think my website just got spammed by a charity | 20:36 |
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| niala_sad | CosmoHill, a site about what? | 20:38 |
| CosmoHill | mine? I basically write a blog about anything I found hard to solve with the aim of making it easier for others | 20:38 |
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| niala_sad | CosmoHill, ok like a sort of angel :) | 20:39 |
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| pupnik_ | link CosmoHill ? | 20:39 |
| * qgil is happy having everything ready for SF Bay MeeGo Network meetup next Monday http://www.meetup.com/SFBay-MeeGo-Network/calendar/14850928/ | 20:39 | |
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| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk | 20:40 |
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| niala_sad | how to list usb disk ? | 20:45 |
| stephg | niala_sad: which OS? | 20:46 |
| niala_sad | fedora | 20:46 |
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| stephg | niala_sad: as in list its' device name? (/dev/sdX) or something else? | 20:47 |
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| frals | wow thats a long agenda qgil | 20:48 |
| niala_sad | yes stephg | 20:48 |
| * frals compares with last HEL meetup which had one presentation ;D | 20:48 | |
| auke | cat /proc/partitions | 20:49 |
| auke | mount | 20:49 |
| stephg | lsscsi as well | 20:49 |
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| Ken_R | Hi, I'm trying to follow the Getting Started directions, and I'm where I create the MeeGo target, but there doesn't seem to be an i686 or x86 target I can create. Is that right? | 20:49 |
| qgil | frals: 5 sessions of 5 minutes - let's see how it goes | 20:49 |
| frals | ah ok | 20:49 |
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| qgil | frals: http://wiki.meego.com/Local_MeeGo_Networks#The_Monthly_Meetup | 20:50 |
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| qgil | frals: but good point, that was not said in the agenda. Edited :) | 20:51 |
| frals | qgil: oh... well, seeing as we only had one person willing to do a presentation last time it was good it was longer ;-) | 20:51 |
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| niala_sad | if i have only a term with meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img that mean my video card is not compatible ? | 21:10 |
| auke | niala_sad: what graphics chipset does your system have? | 21:10 |
| niala_sad | i don't know he can't tell me wich video cardd he has | 21:11 |
| auke | niala_sad: lspci? | 21:11 |
| niala_sad | http://www.amazon.fr/Asus-4G-W049-Notebook-Ecran-Linux/dp/tech-data/B00180VKZA/ref=de_a_smtd | 21:11 |
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| auke | # Processeur: Intel Celeron M 353 / 630 MHz ULV | 21:12 |
| popping-kam | niala_sad: oui | 21:12 |
| auke | that CPU is not supported | 21:12 |
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| niala_sad | popping-kam, I think you have understand sorry for you | 21:13 |
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| popping-kam | not gravelous | 21:14 |
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| niala_sad | popping-kam, in virtual environment you can try | 21:14 |
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| * niala_sad next time I will ask wich cpu and video card in first before | 21:16 | |
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| Ken_R | so, no suggestions for how to create new targets? | 21:27 |
| niala_sad | smeegol maybe | 21:27 |
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| auke | Ken_R: sorry what exactly are you trying to do? | 21:28 |
| Ken_R | trying to go through the getting started guide, but rather than building for an arm device, I'd like to build for Intel Sodaville | 21:28 |
| Ken_R | so, i686 or x86 | 21:28 |
| niala_sad | Ken_R, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1646 ? | 21:29 |
| auke | do you need to build or can you just use an existing image? | 21:29 |
| Ken_R | I don't have an existing image yet, so I guess I need to buld | 21:30 |
| Ken_R | build | 21:30 |
| * thiago_home has been following the smeegol discussion and thinking "there has to be a better way out" | 21:30 | |
| thiago_home | smeegol wants to contribute positively to MeeGo | 21:31 |
| thiago_home | so there should be some way for almost-compliant distros to participate | 21:31 |
| auke | Ken_R: doesn't the netbook image run on that platform? | 21:32 |
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| Ken_R | probably could. I'd expect it to. It's basically an Atom with intel graphics | 21:33 |
| auke | what is your goal? | 21:34 |
| auke | to run meego on that platform? then just take an image that exists... | 21:34 |
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| Ken_R | we're trying to run meego on a set top box that uses the sodaville SoC. | 21:34 |
| niala_sad | if i make my own image with .ks file from 'preview' qt4.7 and libmeegotouch are working out of box ? | 21:34 |
| auke | afk | 21:34 |
| niala_sad | afk ? | 21:35 |
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| thiago_home | away from keyboard | 21:35 |
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| djszapi | away from kde :) | 21:37 |
| djszapi | thiago_home: are you good at opengl ? | 21:37 |
| thiago_home | same thing for me | 21:37 |
| djszapi | ahahaha :D | 21:37 |
| thiago_home | djszapi: nope | 21:37 |
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| niala_sad | lol | 21:37 |
| djszapi | thiago_home: do you use kde on meego ? | 21:38 |
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| niala | i have save my netbook from destruction ;) | 21:39 |
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| thiago_home | djszapi: some apps, yes | 21:39 |
| djszapi | okular would be kool on meego | 21:39 |
| djszapi | maybe I give it a try to port it :) | 21:40 |
| djszapi | but lack of time :( | 21:40 |
| thiago_home | port? | 21:40 |
| thiago_home | do you mean besides "make && make install" ? | 21:40 |
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| djszapi | thiago_home: I always thought it is bigger work. | 21:41 |
| djszapi | but if everything is needed. | 21:41 |
| RST38h | Do you mean, "make && make install" will always produce a working and usable meego package? | 21:41 |
| djszapi | even if yes, it is not optimal in every case | 21:41 |
| * thiago_home has the full of KDE working on MeeGo netbook | 21:42 | |
| djszapi | that is what the portation is about imo. | 21:42 |
| djszapi | in kde-mobile. | 21:42 |
| djszapi | but thiago_home will fix me :P | 21:42 |
| thiago_home | sometimes I start the Plasma-Netbook UI, sometimes the MeeGo one | 21:42 |
| RST38h | Will Plasma-Netbook UI work on a mobile device like N900 or Aava? | 21:42 |
| djszapi | thiago_home: if it was that way, I do not know what the kde-mobile project is about ... | 21:43 |
| RST38h | How usable will it be? =) | 21:43 |
| thiago_home | it's about reducing the size of kdelibs so that it's more suitable for mobile environments, like handsets | 21:43 |
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| thiago_home | and rewriting the UIs for certain applications for touch devices | 21:43 |
| popping-kam | niala_happy: j'arrive pas a refaire la commande | 21:43 |
| djszapi | rewriting why ? | 21:44 |
| djszapi | can you tell me an example ? | 21:44 |
| thiago_home | kontact mobile | 21:44 |
| djszapi | for example okular then. | 21:44 |
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| niala_happy | popping-kam, pv en francais | 21:45 |
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| djszapi | thiago_home: which package manager do you use on meego ? | 21:48 |
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| auke | cough zypper cough | 21:48 |
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| thiago_home | djszapi: zypper and yum | 21:48 |
| thiago_home | whichever I remember first or works | 21:49 |
| djszapi | crazy :P | 21:49 |
| djszapi | well I would not use a cli solution on n900. | 21:49 |
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| djszapi | only GUI because the keyboard is no that handy :) | 21:49 |
| thiago_home | who's talking about N900? | 21:49 |
| djszapi | me | 21:49 |
| thiago_home | besides, ssh in :-) | 21:49 |
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| djszapi | well, consider you travel on the bus, playing a game and you would like to update it. | 21:50 |
| djszapi | where do you login via an ssh protocol from ? :) | 21:50 |
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| djszapi | I think it is quite handy to click 2-3 times on the touchscreen and your game is updated with the new enemies and so on :) | 21:51 |
| qgil | thiago_home: do you know if any info exists about the SF code.sprints like e.g. http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Mobile/Pre_Devdays_Sprint_Munich_2010 | 21:52 |
| thiago_home | qgil: I think there was one | 21:53 |
| thiago_home | let me check | 21:53 |
| qgil | I want to organize a SF Bay MeeGo meetup on the 30th connected to one of those, to have the locals meeting the cute devs and viceversa :) | 21:53 |
| thiago_home | sure | 21:54 |
| * thiago_home arrives in SF on the 29th | 21:54 | |
| thiago_home | I'd love to join then | 21:55 |
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| qgil | I have the name for the meetup: Saturday Night MeeGo Fever :) | 21:55 |
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| thiago_home | downtown? | 21:56 |
| * thiago_home needs to find a nice halloween party afterwards | 21:56 | |
| qgil | undefined, where is the code.sprint? | 21:56 |
| thiago_home | 'twas very nice last year, even though our costumes were not very good | 21:56 |
| thiago_home | probably in the office, in RWC | 21:56 |
| thiago_home | but I guess most people will be staying at cheap accommodations downtown and taking the caltrain | 21:57 |
| qgil | ok, let's organize the Halloween meetup directly then | 21:57 |
| qgil | downtown | 21:57 |
| thiago_home | the hotel nearby (the sofitel) is quite expensive | 21:57 |
| qgil | downtown | 21:57 |
| thiago_home | ok | 21:57 |
| thiago_home | anyway, as soon as I hear about what the event is and who's organising it, I'll let you know | 21:57 |
| thiago_home | knut yrvin must also know | 21:58 |
| qgil | ok, maybe the ideal combination is: | 21:58 |
| qgil | sprint ends in the afternoon + couple of hours to let people reach SF downtown + dinner with Halloweeen party nearby? | 21:59 |
| thiago_home | sounds ideal | 21:59 |
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| qgil | ok, help me finding the Qt and the local contacts and I will arrange the details with them | 21:59 |
| qgil | thanks thiago_home | 21:59 |
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| qgil | thiago_home: will "The MeeGo-Qt Pumpkin Dinner" offend anybody? | 22:09 |
| qgil | how many people attend these sprints? | 22:10 |
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| niala_happy | a qt/meego challenge and the winner earns its weight in pumpkin | 22:16 |
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| qgil | thiago_home: alea jacta est http://www.meetup.com/SFBay-MeeGo-Network/calendar/15121895/ | 22:20 |
| RST38h | the winner turnsinto a pumpkin | 22:21 |
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| popping-kam | niala_happy: re | 22:26 |
| ljp | the winner is paraded around with a pumpkin on his/her head | 22:26 |
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| slingr | LIARS! | 22:27 |
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| CosmoHill | yay niala is happy | 22:32 |
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| niala_happy | CosmoHill, i have save my netbook i have broken 2 screw spent 3 "hours, but now it's ok | 22:35 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 22:36 |
| thiago_home | qgil: 5-15 people, depends on who's available | 22:39 |
| thiago_home | I think we had full house in Munich | 22:39 |
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| CosmoHill | I managed to fix a laptop recently and I was so relieved when I did because it wasn't my laptop and it was kinda working before I got my hands on it | 22:40 |
| ljp | wow, I havent been paying attention to the whole 'smeegol' thing... | 22:40 |
| niala_happy | :) | 22:41 |
| * thiago_home wonders if the opensuse folks have contacted the tolkien foundation | 22:42 | |
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| * ljp notes that exchange web access is just about useless for reading email | 22:44 | |
| thiago_home | it's not that bad if you just want to read one or two | 22:45 |
| thiago_home | replying is horrible though | 22:45 |
| thiago_home | or trying to deal with 100 emails | 22:45 |
| ljp | or trying to follow an email discussion | 22:48 |
| thiago_home | which one? the one you started? :-) | 22:48 |
| ljp | i would be ok, if I didnt keep forgetting to bring my laptop power adapter with me | 22:48 |
| ljp | :) I was told to end that one | 22:49 |
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| thiago_home | when will people realise that flame wars take a live of their own? | 22:49 |
| thiago_home | life | 22:49 |
| thiago_home | you can't kill them | 22:49 |
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| thiago_home | qgil: I bet you're missing scandinavia right about now... Oslo will reach -6°C during this weekend | 22:57 |
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| qgil | thiago_home: yeah, nostalgic tears were falling this morning when I read the FB statuses of my friends in Helsinki metropolitan area, scratching ice from their car windows and seeing the first snow...... | 22:59 |
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| * ljp does not miss scraping ice of windshields | 23:00 | |
| ljp | off | 23:00 |
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| th0br0 | thiago_home: -6°C? i envy them in Oslo... wish it got that cold here too :) | 23:15 |
| th0br0 | (at least this soon in the year) | 23:15 |
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| thiago_home | th0br0: you'd envy it only for a short while | 23:25 |
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| CosmoHill | it makes driving...interesting | 23:28 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, only if you are unprepared, its mildly terrifying to be in a car driven by someone with the right tyres and years of snow driving experience | 23:31 |
| berndhs | CosmoHill: it makes driving fun :) | 23:31 |
| pupnik_ | and the accidents are low-speed | 23:31 |
| pupnik_ | you can drift on asphalt too, you know | 23:32 |
| berndhs | right, you can slide around doing 8 km/h | 23:32 |
| niala_happy | sebastien loeb grew up next door to me :) | 23:32 |
| CosmoHill | did he some times pop over unexpectedly...on his roof | 23:33 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: we're not taught how to cope with snow and ice | 23:33 |
| niala_happy | CosmoHill, i think he he must live near monaco or genève | 23:35 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, depends when you are taking your lessons and you can always take a lesson with qualified instructor if you do not feel confident | 23:35 |
| niala_happy | now | 23:35 |
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| CosmoHill | I remember pulling away and not actually moving | 23:36 |
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| th0br0 | thiago_home: mmh... possible. i like cold temperatures tho :) | 23:38 |
| CosmoHill | th0br0: I hope you're not like my cousin | 23:39 |
| CosmoHill | mid-winter me might put a shirt on | 23:39 |
| CosmoHill | *he | 23:39 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, I remember taking car onto complete sheet ice car park and getting speedo to 70mph without moving | 23:40 |
| lcuk | i also slid the car sideways onto a flower bed | 23:40 |
| CosmoHill | it's a good way to find out the top speed of a car | 23:41 |
| th0br0 | CosmoHill: i tend to wear a shirt all year round... | 23:41 |
| lcuk | but I certainly got a great respect for ice after a few hours sliding around there | 23:41 |
| th0br0 | or rather shirts :) | 23:41 |
| CosmoHill | th0br0: i mean inside, he always has one when he goes out | 23:41 |
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| th0br0 | well, i normally wear some coat or the like on top but yeah. | 23:42 |
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| CosmoHill | my main point being he doesn't feel the cold | 23:45 |
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| niala_happy | meego don't work onSDHC | 23:52 |
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| CosmoHill | try a USB stick | 23:52 |
| niala_happy | usb stick works in live ... i need a second usb stick lol | 23:53 |
| niala_happy | i have just installed from usb stick to sdhc | 23:54 |
| niala_happy | install with no proble ms but sdhc boot and error .... never mind | 23:56 |
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| CosmoHill | fixed it? | 23:57 |
| CosmoHill | I can't get my laptop to boot via SD card, I was told because it's due to the PCI interface or somethign | 23:57 |
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