IRC log of #meego for Sunday, 2010-08-08

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timelessvip: really not reading links you're given in answer to questions you ask is incredibly rude13:16
vipi think i made big crime13:16
timelessconsider yourself charged. the big question is: will you reform?13:17
vipmaybe i kill some body i dont know !13:17
timelessyou're killing us!13:19
viptimeless try to be more cool because there are people try to catch first move to keep moving correctly13:20
Stskeepsvip, #meego (or meego.com) doesnt deal with official nokia releases, nokia does13:21
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Stskeepsso its better to ask their care lines or conversations.nokia.com13:22
timelessstskeeps s/its/it's/; hatake_kakashi s/it's/its/ :(13:22
Stskeepsyes, i know13:23
viptimeless what do you mean13:23
timelessdon't worry about that last bit. both of them confused words13:24
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Stskeepsvip, its comparable to be asking about htc phone os releases in #android :)13:25
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viptimeless but me engry so i will live to ever from this services13:28
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igottaquestHi14:54
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Stskeepshi14:54
singesanghi there14:54
igottaquestI removed some packages from Meego and now it started crashing, doesnt apply Display Resolution Changes anymore, changed the keyboard layout back to US etc.14:55
* CosmoHill sneezes14:55
igottaquesthow do I install all "original" packages which were installed during the installation?14:55
lcukigottaquest, then put the packages back14:55
igottaquestI watched /log/yum but it's empty14:55
singesangi'd like to get meego running in my car but my cpu doesn't support sse3. how can i test meego then?14:56
CosmoHillsingesang: SSSE314:56
CosmoHillthree Ss14:56
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singesangCosmoHill: yeah that's what i meant :)14:59
lcuksingesang, are you trying this with the IVI install?14:59
igottaquestlcuk: how do I find out which packages I  removed_14:59
lcukigottaquest, thats a bigger question I dont know!15:00
* lcuk is used to OS packages being linked together under a big meta package15:00
igottaquestdo you know how to add links to the application starter interface? I want to add xterm15:00
lcukwhich would warn and shout at you for removing individual ones15:00
singesanglcuk: i've just taken a look the bootable image and saw that it requires ssse3...15:01
lcuksingesang, which bootable image15:01
lcukbe specific15:01
singesangi've read the news and they said that ssse3 would be required: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/MeeGo-for-IVI-version-1-0-released-1049668.html15:02
singesang(it says that in the german version of that article)15:03
igheasniff, is there any good way to debug meego's boot process? it works fine from the live image, but after installing it to mass storage device grub loads, screen says "starting meego" and after that screen goes blank and capslock and numlock signal lights begin to blink :(15:03
singesanghere: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Erste-MeeGo-Version-fuer-Autos-1049655.html15:03
dcordeshi15:04
lcukperhaps I am thinking of other system requirement changes, my bad15:04
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dcordessingesang, lol it says fennec is qt based15:05
dcordessingesang, in that heise thing15:05
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igottaquestNautilus crashes as soon as I click on "Properties" of a folder15:07
singesangdcordes: i'm reading qt 4.6 and fennec in two different sentences next another. but i can't see association between that sentences15:07
singesang+to15:07
dcordessingesang, 'einen Qt-basierten IVI-Browser namens Fennec.'15:08
dcordessingesang, a Qt-based IVI-Browser named Fennec15:08
singesangah i've just taken a look at the english version :)15:09
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dcordes:>15:09
dcordesStskeeps, I finally committed a bug about the lack of Xorg in autobuilds15:09
dcordesStskeeps, n900 handset autobuilds15:10
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dcordeshtcleo-usbhost_defconfig zImage not bootable15:14
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dcordeswrong window sorry15:15
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vljhi15:22
CosmoHillsalut15:22
vljvgrade: which kernel patch do you apply to build emgd kernel module ?15:23
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vgradehold on15:26
vljthx15:28
vgradehttp://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/kernel-source15:28
vgradeFriday Jun 18th 2010 commit15:28
vljthanks !15:29
vgradevlj, what are you up to?15:30
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vljvgrade: trying to apply patch to a opensuse kernel to see if it works with emgd x drivers15:34
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vljthe meego image with emgd does not work for me15:34
vljI always end up with a xfce desktop =(15:35
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vljvgrade: how did you manage to configure xorg.conf ?15:36
vljthere are a lot of option15:36
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vljI mean all the port options15:39
vljby the way is there some Nokia ppl here ?15:40
vljthe Nokia QT sdk does not work on opensuse 32 bits15:40
vljsegfaulting when trying to build a simulator application15:41
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vgradevlj, the Xorg was based on an IEGD one15:43
vljok15:44
vgradevlj, did you build you own image?15:44
vljI took the one from the post on meego forum15:45
vgradevlj, if you get an xfce desktop then the EMGD driver is OK on your hw15:45
vljok15:45
vgradevlj, which one15:45
vgradethere were two images posted15:46
vljthe "uxlaunch.iso"15:46
vljI mean15:46
vljnot the -xfce-full one15:46
vljit should give me a meego ux15:46
vljbut I only get a xfce desktop ...15:46
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Stskeepslo FatalSaint15:49
vgradevlj , make sure the Xclients edit has been done on the uxlaunch.iso, http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vgrade15:50
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vljok15:54
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plickmee go?15:57
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lcukplick, don't let the door hit you on the way out15:57
plickyou ho?15:57
plick*go?15:58
CosmoHillwe had a guy called william, we just delete his accounts and any messages he made15:58
CosmoHillafter a while he went away15:58
plickmeh15:58
plicki feel like i belong here15:59
plicki wonder what meego means anyways16:01
plicksome sort of toilet flusher or something16:02
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th0br0heya everyone16:03
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CosmoHillhey th0br016:03
th0br0heya CosmoHill16:04
amjad_hey16:04
lcukCosmoHill, have you ever opped an irc channel before?16:06
CosmoHillpm?16:06
plickhey th0br016:07
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th0br0helo plick16:08
plickyar thar16:08
plicku guys on forum.meego.com?16:09
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plickmlin :)16:10
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lcukATTENTION: Please do not disturb CosmoHill, his knob has fallen off and he is trying to reattach it.16:12
CosmoHilloh god16:13
CosmoHillI'll be on bash.org again16:13
lcukthere was a classy quote last night in #maemo16:13
plicki saw it16:14
lcuksomeone asked about sending video over fMMS (the community MMS implementation)16:14
lcuk<SpeedEvil> fmms will send video.16:14
lcuk<SpeedEvil> 25 mmss/second can be expensive though.16:14
CosmoHillrofl16:14
plickROFLCOPTER OMG TEH LOL16:14
CosmoHillOMG TEEN N00B16:15
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plickOMG WTF16:15
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plickwish we had ops16:15
lcukwe have ops, its ponies we are lacking16:15
CosmoHillbe careful what you wish for16:15
plicku gonna give me ops?16:16
CosmoHillyes16:16
* CosmoHill pulls it out of his magic hat16:16
lcukyeah, you can have ops anytime you want16:16
th0br0mmss?16:16
CosmoHillwould you like a rabbit's skull too?16:16
th0br0huh...16:16
th0br0MMS's?16:16
lcukjust close this chan, make a new channel and you can op all you want16:16
lcukyeah th0br016:17
plickyeh bro w00t16:17
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th0br0o.O16:18
* plick sniffs the air16:18
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plickDO SOME WORK PPL16:18
plickSTOP chatting16:19
* Stskeeps ponders16:19
th0br0STOP CHATTING, too, then!16:19
th0br0heya Stskeeps16:19
th0br0there comes your op16:20
plickso obsessed with ops16:20
th0br0:P16:20
Stskeepsplick: sometimes work is chatting16:21
plicktrue true16:21
lcukplick, what work do you do?16:21
plickgods work16:21
lcukdoes he pay well?16:21
lcukbenefits package?16:22
plickplentifully16:22
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lcukplick, are you ever headhunted by different deities?16:25
plicksuch as16:26
lcuki dunno, you say gods work16:26
plickits clear im talking shit so why pretend16:26
Stskeepsplick, so what brings you here?16:27
plicknothing in particular16:27
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lcukStskeeps, how is your Sunday going?16:30
Stskeepslcuk, good16:30
plickSUNDAY ROCKS16:30
* lcuk has been reintroduced to Blondie and is chilling 16:31
ScottishDuckQOTSA for me16:31
Stskeepsbeer and irc for me16:31
lcukahhh beer16:33
lcukI should have to get some after I am done taking stuff to the tip later16:33
* CosmoHill is going deaf cos of a load dell server16:33
lcukearphones16:33
CosmoHillwill do16:33
CosmoHillor dub step on my hifi16:34
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CosmoHillsee how RAID5 likes that16:34
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plicktypical UK16:36
plickdubstep16:36
plicki luld16:36
waoo16:36
CosmoHillor slipknot16:36
CosmoHillsomone pick a letter16:37
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plickm16:38
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Shaan7Hi! I want to install a MeeGo SDK and develop Qt apps on it. I found on the wiki that 1. Qemu approach needs h/w virtualization support for graphics which I don't have, 2. Xephyr needs a Intel GPU, I have NVIDIA :( How can I use the SDK? (I hope the answer isn't "no, you can't" ). Thanks :)16:41
CosmoHillShaan7: check on the forums, there is a post about using xephyr with nvidia16:41
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plickShaan, wrong channel16:42
CosmoHillShaan7: ignore him16:42
Shaan7CosmoHill: oh ok, thanks :)16:42
* CosmoHill changes the L to an R16:42
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CosmoHillhmm, I need to restore Qt on my mac16:47
th0br0darn, no vt in my xeons :(16:49
CosmoHillsucks don't it16:50
plickyeh16:50
CosmoHillmy friend has a P7350 and P7450, the two models in the range without VT16:50
CosmoHills/two/only two/16:50
infobotCosmoHill meant: my friend has a P7350 and P7450, the only two models in the range without VT16:50
th0br0true CosmoHill16:51
CosmoHillon the plus side he gave me a laptop :D16:52
CosmoHillah nuts, I lost my $PS116:52
th0br0uhm, what does vt appear as in the flags?16:52
CosmoHillhold on16:53
th0br0vmx16:53
CosmoHillflags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good xtopology tsc_reliable nonstop_tsc pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm dca sse4_1 sse4_2 lahf_lm ida tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid16:54
CosmoHill:)16:54
CosmoHillthat processors a bit of a wh...hoarder16:54
CosmoHill<.<16:54
CosmoHill>.>16:54
th0br0that's a nice one.16:55
th0br0what do you have thereß16:55
CosmoHilltwo model name      : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           E5520  @ 2.27GHz16:55
CosmoHillits' the Cross-LFS server16:56
th0br0ah k16:56
CosmoHillowner upgraded to it after both hard drives in RAID1 overheated and failed16:56
th0br0:D16:56
CosmoHillfun day at work, failed server and no air con16:59
plicknice n cool16:59
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plickfuck off wasikevin17:01
Stskeepsplick, behave, or leave.17:02
plickfuck urself17:02
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plickbitch17:02
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*** plick was kicked by Stskeeps (please behave.)17:03
CosmoHillWHERE WERE YOU LAST NIGHT17:04
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* CosmoHill waits for a PM window to pop up17:05
Stskeepsasleep?17:05
CosmoHillplick PM'd me earlier when i meant luck17:05
CosmoHilllcuk*17:05
CosmoHilljust waiting for him to have a go at me for you banning him17:06
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b-mansounds like he's a troll :P17:07
CosmoHillI'm pretty sure he confusesed this17:07
CosmoHillconfessed*17:07
Stskeepsmm, and abused a person so he left, that sucks17:10
th0br0CosmoHill: he was trolling me too17:11
th0br0in pm17:11
th0br0although it was kinda funny at first but then it grew boring17:11
thiagohe's a troll17:12
thiagohe's been trolling for 12 hours at least17:12
CosmoHill[14:12]  <CosmoHill> as a guess, I'll say your 14 years old?17:12
CosmoHill[14:19]  <plick> i'm 917:12
CosmoHill[14:21]  <CosmoHill> what year where you born?17:12
CosmoHill[14:21]  <plick> 0217:12
thiagostarted last night17:12
thiagoCosmoHill: he can't be 9 and have been born in '0217:12
thiago:-)17:12
CosmoHillcorrect17:12
* TermanaN900 claps for thiago17:13
TermanaN900You sucessfully identified him as a troll, well done :))) :P17:13
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th0br0xD17:14
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ScottishDuck<b-man>: sounds like he's a troll17:24
ScottishDuckIt was hardly trolling17:24
ScottishDucka troll would, at the very least, start a .deb vs .rpm fight17:24
ScottishDuckor omething like that17:24
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Stskeepsmalicious behaviour is worse17:24
ScottishDuckIt's flaming rather than trolling17:25
th0br0he was trolling in the pms tho17:28
lcukmoving away from the trolls, i got a 2gb card for my n900 - thats enough for the all in one meego test image isnt it17:29
CosmoHillshould be17:31
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ScottishDuckAre things still on track for beta on the 19th?17:32
RiverZhouI run N900 firmware in qemu, system boot ok,can login console.But can not start x,PVR2D_init() failed.17:34
StskeepsRiverZhou: yes, known17:36
RiverZhouHow can I close graphic acceleration using powervr to avoid this error?17:36
StskeepsRiverZhou: we need to add in qemu gles libaries instead17:36
StskeepsRiverZhou: know how to make images from kickstart files?17:36
RiverZhouyes17:36
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Stskeepsok, could you show up in #meego-arm tomorrow around same time, but 2 hours earlier?17:37
Stskeepsand we can get it working together17:37
RiverZhouok17:37
Stskeepsoh, wait17:37
RiverZhouthanks.^_^17:38
Stskeepsno, you cant get qemu gles working yet cos we have a kernel module missing17:38
RiverZhouoh17:39
Stskeepsare  you a rpm packager by chance?17:39
RiverZhouyes17:39
Stskeepsoh, then we might have an appointment then :P17:40
RiverZhougg17:40
Stskeepsour kernell package has some issues, so17:40
RiverZhouaha17:40
RiverZhoui found a bug in qemu-maemo from git17:41
Stskeepsoh?17:41
RiverZhouwhen build it with gles by gcc-4.5,got error17:42
Stskeepsah17:42
RiverZhouit's a problem of gcc version17:42
th0br0Stskeeps: which kernel module?17:43
ScottishDuckHave you folks moved to 4.5.1 now?17:43
RiverZhoudiff --git a/hw/gles2.h b/hw/gles2.h17:43
RiverZhouindex 3352e24..ec25dc9 10064417:43
RiverZhou--- a/hw/gles2.h17:43
RiverZhou+++ b/hw/gles2.h17:43
RiverZhou@@ -248,8 +248,10 @@ static inline uint32_t gles2_arg_dword(gles2_State *s, gles2_decode_t *d)17:43
RiverZhou static inline uint64_t gles2_arg_qword(gles2_State *s, gles2_decode_t *d);17:43
RiverZhou static inline uint64_t gles2_arg_qword(gles2_State *s, gles2_decode_t *d)17:43
RiverZhou {17:43
RiverZhou-    uint64_t qword = gles2_arg_raw(s, (*d)++)17:43
RiverZhou-        | ((uint64_t)gles2_arg_raw(s, (*d)++) << 32);17:43
RiverZhou+    uint64_t a = gles2_arg_raw(s, (*d)++);17:43
RiverZhou+    uint64_t b = (uint64_t)gles2_arg_raw(s, (*d)++) << 32 ;17:43
RiverZhou+    uint64_t qword = a | b;17:43
RiverZhou+17:43
CosmoHillpastebin!!!!17:44
CosmoHillalso why did --- set off my highlight :/17:44
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ScottishDuck---17:44
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th0br0RiverZhou: why does that cause an error with gcc 4.5?17:44
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CosmoHilloh I see17:44
RiverZhou-    uint64_t qword = gles2_arg_raw(s, (*d)++)17:45
RiverZhou-        | ((uint64_t)gles2_arg_raw(s, (*d)++) << 32);17:45
StskeepsRiverZhou: cool, submit a patch :)17:45
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Stskeepsbetter than pasting it here17:45
RiverZhougcc 4.5 think it's error.maybe gcc 4.4 also think17:45
CosmoHillif he keeps going you may have to give him a quick kick17:45
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th0br0RiverZhou: shouldn't doing | ((uint64_t)(gles2_arg_raw(s, (*d)++) << 32)));17:45
th0br0suffice?17:45
TermanaCosmoHill, lucky your not a chanop. You seem a bit power hungry there :D :P17:46
CosmoHillit happens when users past a lot and they can't stop17:46
CosmoHillalso if I'm reading this right, my mac is using 45GB of virtual memory17:47
RiverZhouI do not know how to submit patch.17:47
th0br0lol CosmoHill17:47
StskeepsRiverZhou: mail to meego-dev@ or gitorious merge request17:47
RiverZhouoh17:48
timelessi have 176gb of vm17:48
timelessbut osx memory accounting is kinda pointless17:48
timelessi think it bills for each copy of a shared framework17:48
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th0br0that's osx for you :P17:48
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CosmoHillmy swap is 3.8MB17:49
timelessperhaps because each one could in theory have different ACs17:49
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timelesss/ACs/ACLs/17:49
infobottimeless meant: perhaps because each one could in theory have different ACLs17:49
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CosmoHill670MB of free RAM17:51
th0br01.3gb here17:52
th0br0but the question should be: how much ram do you have?17:52
CosmoHill1.5GB17:52
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CosmoHillgcc is killing my firefox performace17:53
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timelessinstall wine and rely on msvc :)17:53
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CosmoHillpowerpc here17:54
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CosmoHillwhen I upgraded my mac I forgot about things like php, mysql, everything inside /opt and other special things I have about the hard drive17:56
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ScottishDuckFirefox kills its own performance18:01
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TermanaThank god your here Superw00tlesman!18:07
w00t_indeed18:07
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oOYuYp8jZFor+those+of+you+who+dont+know:+The+south+beach+diet+consists+of+eating+the+moist+turds+from+the+discarded+bathing+suits+abandoned+at+the+beach.18:10
oOYuYp8jZActually,+it+is+incorrect+to+call+me+a+'know-it-all'+because+God+is+the+only+one+that+knows+everything.18:10
oOYuYp8jZMy+name+is+Paul.+If+my+name+were+to+be+used+in+a+function+it+would+used+as+such.+Paul+>+You.+I'm+an+investment+banker.+I+am+scared+of+daylight,+so+I+stay+indoors+until+2am.+I+order+in+all+my+meals+not+because+I+like+eating+take+out+on+a+daily+basis,+but+because+I+am+so+excited+to+get+back+to+work+and+look+at+my+multiple+lcd+screens+with+spreadsheets+open+all+over+the+place.+Casual+friday+means+I+can+roll+up+my+sleeves,18:10
oOYuYp8jZdo+you+ever+get+these+weird+urges+to+jerk+off..+and+then+after+you+do+you+get+this+sick+feeling+in+your+stomach+like+you're+going+to+throwup+and+passout+?18:10
oOYuYp8jZHow+could+Sony+betray+me+like+this?!?+I+waited+in+line+for+three+months--yes,+I+started+the+very+first+line+for+the+PS3+way+before+anyone+else.+I+endured+the+elements,+the+snide+comments,+and+unemployment+(I+was+fired+from+my+job+after+the+first+week)+because+I+wanted+to+be+the+very+first+person+to+play+what+I+imagined+would+be+the+salvation+to+all+my+dearest+dreams.+Rumor+had+it+that+playing+a+videogame+on+the+PS3+wou18:10
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oOYuYp8jZHow+about+the+enviroment?+Canonical+clearly+does+not+care+much+for+enviromental+protection.+The+amount+of+Ubuntu+CDs+they+have+dumped+in+the+past+is+unacceptable.+They+have+reached+AOL+quantities.18:10
oOYuYp8jZIt's+just+retarded+10yr+old+humor.+Oh+wow,+Topless+chick+made+out+of+pixels,+being+zoomed+in+on+by+a+perv.+The+desert+comment+doesn't+even+make+sense,+there's+grass+there.+Also,+You+can+clearly+tell+she's+dead,+So+that+would+be+fantasizing+necrophelia.+Good+job.+Sick+bastards.18:10
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dm8tbraado we have ops on here?18:10
timeless*** Now ignoring ALL from *!*@*WIKIA* (refnum 1)18:10
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ScottishDucklooks like our friend is a skid18:13
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Stskeepsah, the moment i wasnt watching..18:16
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th0br0^^18:19
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CosmoHilllcuk is a virgin18:43
CosmoHill...media customer18:43
lcukyes, there are many virgins in my area18:44
lcuki have been a virgin now for a while18:45
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th3hateStskeeps, the ready to flash image has hw acceleration?18:51
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CosmoHillsons of whores18:54
CosmoHillapple just took the powerpc gcc compiler for leopard from tiger18:55
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ScottishDuckApple sure are fun18:55
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igheayou get what you pay for19:08
taljurfguys, will the tarballs of the meego handset components be released?19:09
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taljurfanybody has any idea?19:12
CosmoHilli think legally they must be released19:12
CosmoHillotherwise it's not opensource19:12
taljurfoh, great :)19:13
taljurfthx19:13
th0br0CosmoHill: not necessarily...19:14
th0br0i mean19:14
th0br0not legally19:14
th0br0that only depends on the components used and all that stuff19:14
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lcukand the license used19:14
th0br0yes19:14
lcukand theres no legal requirement for hte source to be packaged as tarballs19:15
lcuki believe in the word of the license, I could write them on a tshirt19:15
th0br0CosmoHill: an example is HTC's Touch Sense UI for their Android phones.19:15
lcukand sell tshirts as the principle method of distribution19:15
CosmoHilllu trem19:15
lcukmaybe open source vuvuzelas would be cool19:15
trembonjour CosmoHill19:16
th0br0haha yeah19:16
th0br0get the source code to your favorite app printed on vuvuzelas19:16
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th0br0must order the complete source code package.19:16
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th0br0buy the kernel on vuvuzelas, just 1k (at least haha)19:16
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lcuki wonder if adding a term in the license that states anyone using the software should play a vuvuzela tune each morning would be reasonable19:17
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th0br0xD19:19
th0br0otherwise a fee of 100$ for each missed day will be issued19:19
lcukthat certainly sounds reasonable for the Meego Musicians UX19:19
lcukyou can play the tune using any instrument!19:20
lcukdo vuvuzelas or any other instruments support SSSE3?19:20
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th0br0xD19:21
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th0br0Intel should release some Intel Vuvuzela19:21
lcukdual pipe?19:21
CosmoHillDobly Digital, DTS, Vuvuzela, THX19:22
lcukhahaha THX in vuvuzelas would indeed be cool19:23
th0br0Indeed.19:24
th0br0Each time you want to use it it first plays the THX sound19:24
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lcukif it was on the phone UX the phone would literally vibe itself off the table19:26
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dcordesStskeeps, http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503219:27
CosmoHillit's giving me warnings in time with the beat :o19:27
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yigalwho decided not to support ext4 at all?19:57
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yigalit just seems intuitively retarded to not have ext4 support, EVEN if the Btrfs filesystem is to be Meego's default filesystem.20:00
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yigalExt4 has been used for over a year, it seems imprudent to not provide this support, even if it is an inferior filesystem.20:02
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Stskeepsyigal: file a bug20:03
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yigalStskeeps: hey thanks for your GMA 500/Poulsbo work, sorry just ranting20:04
Stskeepsyigal: it's fine, just file a bug :)20:05
Stskeepsbest way to have a civil(?) discussion on the topic20:06
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yigalgood point, I might feel Meego has failed me in a small way, but I should be as productive as I can in trying to get this redressed.20:08
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Stskeepsbest way is to send a bug report and a patch for config-generic in kernel-source20:10
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yigalok20:13
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Stskeepsprobably =m is best20:18
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Anandhey i am new here22:14
CosmoHillhello22:14
Anandi studid the Meego architecture for a few days now22:15
Anandtrying to find bugs22:15
Anandor deficiencies22:15
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Anandi found meego still does not hav any support for NTFS filesys formated devices22:16
CosmoHillit doesn't support ext4 either22:16
Anandi would like to kno if i can work on that22:16
timelessit doesn't support ZFS?@!22:17
timelesswhat kind of lame platform is this? :)22:17
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timelessanand why do you think that NTFS is important to the average potential meego user?22:17
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Anandi really wanna wanna contribute to the core os n i think NTFS is commenly used on pendrives or external drives as well22:18
timelessthere wouldn't be much to "contribute", it's just changing the build config for the kernel or a module and shipping another package22:19
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ScottishDuckFAT is by far the most used on pendrives and externals22:21
timelesscan you actually name 5 standard usb devices which use NTFS?22:21
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timelessi mean actual devices as sold by real vendors22:21
timelessactually compiling a list of real usb devices which default to ntfs would be a useful contribution22:22
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anand_sorry i had to go22:22
timelessanand why do you think that NTFS is important to the average potential meego user?22:22
timelessthere wouldn't be much to "contribute", it's just changing the build config for the kernel or a module and shipping another package22:23
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timelesscan you actually name 5 standard usb devices which use NTFS?22:23
timelessi mean actual devices as sold by real vendors22:23
anand_actually22:23
anand_most users like me22:23
timelessactually compiling a list of real usb devices which default to ntfs would be a useful contribution22:23
anand_who use windows most of the times format it in NTFS22:23
timelessso, that's not a real valid target audience22:23
timelesswhen my sister or my father tell me they have formatted a usb stick ntfs, then i'll consider it22:24
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anand_though i dont agree with u much but okay if u say so22:24
timelessbut a techy doing something as stupid as formatting a usb stick as ntfs gets what he/she deserves22:24
anand_is there anything else i can contribute22:25
timeless(almost certainly he...)22:25
anand_i really loved the OS n feel like shud do something22:25
timelesswell, there are dozens of apps w/ ui quirks22:25
timelessprobably a bunch of them have poor or missing localization22:26
timelessthere's an entire bug database (bugs.meego.com)22:26
anand_i would like to know if there are things in the core OS probably in the DATA management block or the security layer22:26
anand_ya i went through that n that too confirmed wat i felt22:27
anand_about the NTFS22:27
anand_also the AD- hoc networking is not supported22:27
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timelesssome of those things are likely to magically appear eventually22:28
timelessso certain investments in engineering might be a waste of time22:28
timelessotoh, i've personally found adhoc to be a huge waste of time22:28
timelessi've yet to find a single remotely useful UI on any platform for adhoc22:29
timelessmy n900 has 3 incompatible adhoc networks for each of 3 incompatible app systems22:29
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anand_timeless do u have any ideas where i can work22:30
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timelessdepends on what skills you have...22:30
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anand_okay u suggest some then i can judge22:31
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ScottishDuckThe feature merge closes very soon, so really just search bugs.meego.com and fix (non-enhancement) bugs22:32
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monubut there are loads of bugs on it22:32
monuso its difficult to sort out22:33
w00t_monu: idea being you use the search function to look for stuff that interests you22:33
anand_timeless u there ??22:33
w00t_or failing that, you use it yourself, find stuff that irritates you, and fix it22:33
timelessi'm watching a movie...22:34
monuyeah22:34
monuthe first thing on which i was stuck was ntfs22:34
timelessbut there are >2400 bugs that are open..22:34
anand_timeless really man i hav been through that list22:35
monuit said it does not mount ntfs system22:35
timelessanyway, that bug is messed up22:35
timelessthe last idiot to comment on it was wrong22:36
timelessand the bug has already been killed once22:36
timelessso it's clearly a bad bug to adopt22:36
anand_if u would suggest something big that w ould really help i mean the bugs there will be corrected till the time i finish with ma work22:37
anand_wt00 I have been through the list n I'm looking for something big22:38
anand_wt00 can u help me22:38
timelesshttp://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=67222:38
timelesswhy do you want something big?22:38
anand_timeless actually we are a group of ppl 4 to be accurate n we are looking forward to take it as a project in our Engg.22:40
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anand_??22:43
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anand_is anyone there ??22:44
timelesshttp://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=134022:45
timelessthat's a big bug22:45
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anandtimeless u trying to make fun of me22:55
timelessno22:56
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timelessthat's really a big bug22:56
anandhmmm u seem to be making fun of me22:57
anandlet it be22:57
timelessnot "big"="important", just "big"="lots of stuff to change"22:57
timelessbut if you can't fix it, then it really doesn't make sense for you to try something "big"22:57
w00t_(and regardless of whether it's important, it helps you learn things)22:58
anandhmmmm22:58
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timelessi've been working on open source for over a decade. i pick things based on experience22:58
anandlets see i'll hav a chat with my grp then22:59
timelessword to the wise: don't abbreviate 5 letter words23:00
timelessjust because linux is like unix doesn't mean you have to drop vowels when communicating23:00
anandsorry about that23:00
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anandis there anything i should search upon23:01
timelessoh, yeah, don't assume that people are making fun of you. they took the time to offer help23:01
anandhmmm sorry about that too23:01
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timelessit's all a learning experience23:02
anandbut it is really difficult to find the right guys like you23:02
anandu been real help man23:02
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anandany other ideas timeless23:10
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timelesswait for movie to end?23:11
anandk fine till wat time23:11
KevinAllenhi all23:11
timelessprobably 10mins23:14
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b0xyAfter installing Meego and removing my thumbdrive, I get "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"23:18
b0xyAnyone have any ideas on this?23:18
b0xythumbdrive plugged in, it boots perfectly23:18
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timelesshttp://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=172123:24
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taljurftimeless: have u downloaded the handset sdk?23:28
KevinAllenany meego team member here?23:29
timelessyou expressed an interest in build stuff, http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2648 should be simple23:32
timelessi've downloaded various meego stuff23:32
timelessi din't keep track23:32
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VDVsxtaljurf, handset sdk is scratchbox based or something else ?23:33
taljurfVDVsx: the one here http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux23:34
VDVsxah ok :)23:35
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taljurfVDVsx: did u download it?23:36
VDVsxtaljurf, nop :D23:37
VDVsxtaljurf, have problems ?23:37
timelesshttp://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3232 is a different kind of bug23:38
VDVsxtimeless, isn't possible to use letters in the US ? :P23:39
taljurfVDVsx: no, just wanna know the list of files inside23:42
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timelessthat's all i'm going to offer for now23:50
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lcuktimeless, what movie were you watching and was it any good?23:57
* lcuk is about to watch Brazil23:58
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timelessSahara23:58
timelessi'd seen the end before, but i'm not sure i'd seen the beginng23:58
lcukheh you are the opposite of tracy23:58
lcukshe has seen the start of more films than anyone23:59
lcukbut never gets to the end23:59
lcukhell - she missed end of "The sixth sense"23:59
timelessheh23:59
w00t_I'm a bit different23:59
CosmoHillhow about Blood: the last vampire?23:59
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