IRC log of #meego for Tuesday, 2010-07-27

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thiagoand she's cool :-)00:05
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tremnite all, sweet dreams00:38
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vgradevlj, run out of time tonight to build the netbook kernel, give me a shout tomorrow02:13
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zakkkmDoes meego support GMA-500 chipset?03:34
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GAN900Not officially.04:13
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Maceralrighty04:59
Macerlet me go ahead and make a fedora 12 vbox04:59
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Macerhow does the dual booting work on the n900?05:21
Macerdo i have to wipe the sd and allow it to partition or something?05:21
Maceri'm making a fedora 12 vbox just for meego stuff. wonder why the swap to fedora from the debian or ubuntu style maemo was using. i mean not that i mind either way but i was curious05:22
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ali_Hi all, I want to know how to do if we want to submit a package to Meego.06:16
ali_?06:20
ali_Could anybody see my question?06:21
_Pete_no06:21
_Pete_we are still at sleep :)06:21
_Pete_unfortunatelly for your question I have no answer06:21
_Pete_so maybe better wait someone wise to wake up06:21
ali_oh, sorry, and thanks for your reply.06:22
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ali_Hi all, if we want to submit a package to MeeGo, where and how need to do ?08:06
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Stskeepsout of curiousity, what kind of package?08:07
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ali_such as ibus, the input method tool08:09
Stskeepsok, then i would log an enhancement request with the packaging i believe08:10
Stskeepsin bugs.meego.com08:10
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ali_sorry , I did not understand it08:24
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Stskeepsyou make a bug report, which is an 'ENHANCEMENT', attach your package (srpm) and tell why you think it should be included i guess :)08:26
Stskeepson bugs.meego.com08:26
ali_oh, sorry, now I understand08:27
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ali_thank you08:27
ali_all people who want to add/submit their packages  should do that on bugs.meego.com?08:29
Stskeepsi think all those that don't have access to build.meego.com - i hope there'll be some better way to deal with this eventually08:29
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ali_oh, those have access to build.meego.com are all from intel/nokia now?08:32
Stskeepsno, it seems like others are getting let in too if they have a product related purpose08:32
Stskeepsbut in general it is for people who have a role in meego development / 'a commit bit'08:32
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ali_oh, I see, thanks a lot08:36
Stskeepsi guess technically if you ended up maintaining a meego package you'd get access, but what do i know..08:37
Stskeeps:P08:37
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h4xordoodStskeeps, heya :)08:40
Stskeepsmorn08:41
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h4xordoodhow much gb card i need to install meego ?08:41
Stskeeps2gb08:41
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h4xordoodStskeeps, i tried but it didnt booted :(08:46
h4xordoodi flashed phone from flasher also08:47
h4xordoodi download .ks file08:47
Stskeepsh4xordood: didn't i tell you to wait a week? :P08:47
h4xordoodand then it fetctched some packages and aafter that generated me .raw file08:48
h4xordoodStskeeps, yeah u told me ;P08:48
Stskeepswell that's the result08:48
Stskeeps:P08:48
h4xordoodStskeeps, By the way did i do correct step08:49
h4xordoodi.e to downlow\d .ks file nokia closed one08:49
h4xordoodand then it generates .raw file08:49
Stskeepsyes08:49
h4xordoodthen to dd if=<raw> of=dev/mmc card08:50
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h4xordoodwell strange thing was it had unreadable file names08:50
h4xordoodand it showed file sizes 1.3 gb 2gb08:50
h4xordoodhow can thes files come on 2gb08:51
h4xordoodo_O08:51
Stskeepswhat files? :P08:51
Stskeepsali_: out of curiousity, what are you working on? since you need ibus :)08:51
h4xordoodwhen i did this step dd if=<raw> of=/dev/mmc08:52
h4xordoodit copies  inflated raw image to memory card yes ?08:52
Stskeepswell if you've bunzipped it first08:52
ali_yes, we want to port ibus to meego-handset and meego-netbook08:52
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Stskeepsoki08:53
Stskeepsmakes sense08:53
Stskeepsali_: i think there was already some discussion on ibus on meego-dev08:53
Stskeepssecond08:53
Stskeepsali_: '[MeeGo-dev] SCIM on Meego'08:53
Stskeepsyou might want to participate in that discussion08:54
ali_but now I found that the IMF in meego-handset is conflict with ibus08:54
Stskeepsyeah08:54
ali_oh, where I could find them?08:54
h4xordoodStskeeps, i did first mic-image-creator --run-mode=0 --cache=mycachedir --format=raw --arch=armv7l --save-kernel --config=meego-handset-armv7l-n900-nokia-closed-1.0.80.8.20100630.ks08:54
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h4xordood2) >> dd bs=4096 if=<raw_image> of=/dev/sdX08:55
Stskeepsali_: http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev08:55
Stskeepsh4xordood: right08:55
ali_thanks , I check it first08:55
h4xordood3>> i dont know if i do by flasher or by kexec08:56
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Stskeeps3, flasher08:56
h4xordoodi installled kexec and bootmenu08:56
h4xordoodStskeeps, can i do this without flashing ?08:56
Stskeepsyes08:56
h4xordoodsudo flasher-3.5 -l -b -k <kernel>08:57
h4xordood this step is one time08:57
Stskeepsflasher -l -k vmlinuz -b just 'boots' it08:57
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Stskeepsnot flashing it08:57
h4xordoodah okay08:57
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Sharalynnhi08:57
ali_yeah, I found it :http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-July/003934.html08:57
Minnehahahey08:57
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h4xordoodoption -f  flashes it right ?08:57
StskeepsMinnehaha: morning08:57
Minnehahaand holy shit, that's Stskeeps08:57
* Minnehaha knows who that is08:57
Stskeepsdoubt it08:58
Stskeeps:P08:58
MinnehahaWere you one of the unreal IRCd developers?08:58
Stskeepsyes, but i've apologized for that already and served my time08:58
Minnehahalol08:58
MinnehahaYeah I know you.08:58
h4xordoodcan i use kexec for booting meego?08:58
MinnehahaI spoke to you years ago.08:58
Stskeepsh4xordood: kexec's broken atm08:58
h4xordoodah :(08:59
Minnehahabut, my nickname is Mo08:59
StskeepsMinnehaha: so, back to business, you're here for netbook, handset or just meego in general? :P08:59
* Minnehaha was told to come here.08:59
h4xordoodStskeeps, can i feed entry of my meego installation to bootmenu without using flasher ?08:59
h4xordoodso that i can boot meego any time i want09:00
Stskeepsh4xordood: you might be able to use the android guys' new multiboot thing, but you should really use flasher09:00
h4xordoodok :)09:00
befordh4xordood, using flasher with the options that Stskeeps gave you won't overwrite the current boot on your phone09:00
* Minnehaha wonders if Meego has any accessibility features.09:00
StskeepsMinnehaha: in this case you'll probably need to specify which UX..09:00
h4xordoodbeford, yeah i read it instead of -l if i use -f it will flash09:00
h4xordoodso not to use -f09:01
TermanaN900Its boots. That makes it accessable. :D09:01
befordh4xordood, exactly ! :D09:01
Minnehahalol09:01
h4xordoodbut the thing i want to know is with -l option i boot meego and on restart it will go away and boot maemo09:02
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h4xordoodbut thats everytime process to boot meego again to connect to comp and use flash and boot ;P09:02
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h4xordoodok one last question :)09:03
h4xordoodflasher -l -k vmlinuz after this step it ask me for usb device09:04
befordI think you can't really 'use' meego at this moment h4xordood :P09:04
h4xordoodi attached n900 in of mode09:05
h4xordoodthen i saw tux on upper left corner09:05
h4xordood;P09:05
h4xordoodso when i turn on n900 again to boot meego do i need to press any key]09:05
h4xordood?09:06
TermanaN900yes make sure you press the any key09:06
TermanaN900:D09:06
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h4xordoodno i mean power on key + something else ?09:08
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h4xordoodTermanaN900, :D09:19
h4xordoodofcourse09:19
h4xordood;P09:19
TermanaN900h4xordood, :P when your booting meego using flasher loading you need to hold u and plug the usb cable in09:20
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h4xordoodah so phoen has to be connected wile pressing u ? ;P09:21
h4xordoodi just normally connected phone09:21
h4xordoodand then removed cable and power on it holding u09:22
h4xordoodmay be this is what i did wrong ;P09:22
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villevany "spectacle" developers here?11:47
slainevillev: I think they're all west coast us11:49
villevok11:50
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Guest75932from where meego is launching and loading the panel icons  with applications As in moblin is was launching from "/etc/xdg/moblin/xinitec". please let me know the file location in meego, thanks in advance.12:02
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Guest75932Hi All, Any one knows that :- from where meego is launching and loading the panel icons  with applications As moblin, it was launching from "/etc/xdg/moblin/xinitec".12:05
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timeless_mbpGuest75932: you asked that question 3 minutes earlier12:06
Guest75932yes12:06
timeless_mbpdo you think that asking it twice in a row will get you an answer faster?12:06
Guest75932no12:06
timeless_mbpi'd suggest using 'find' or 'strace'12:07
timeless_mbpor 'rpm'12:07
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timeless_mbpif you know the file extension, the former will work nicely12:07
timeless_mbpif you know the name of the process that's using the files, the middle will work12:07
timeless_mbpif you know of an item which is shown, then the latter will suffice12:08
Guest75932need to know the file name , which is executing these application from "libexec" folder in an order or in sequence12:09
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timeless_mbpall of the above approaches will work12:10
timeless_mbpthey're really not hard12:10
timeless_mbpand learning to use them will be good for you12:10
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Guest75932thanks dear12:15
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Guest75932Hi All, Any one knows that :- from where meego is launching and loading the panel icons  with applications As moblin, it was launching from "/etc/xdg/moblin/xinitrc".13:03
Stskeepsyou ask this question all the time :P13:03
Stskeepsgo look into uxlaunch source code13:03
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copyleftGuest75932: pstree may help too.13:13
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ali_Guest75932:: /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch13:15
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slonopotamusohai15:20
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fabiandhello, does someone know if the meego mx absed ui will eb migrated to qt?15:26
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thiagofabiand: all of MeeGo will use Qt, one day15:38
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alteregoWill MeeGo be using MAFW?15:49
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thiagoMaemo Application Framework?15:51
DuckbootMedia Application Frfamework15:51
DuckbootMedia Application Framework15:51
Duckbootafaik15:52
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thiagonever heard of it15:54
Duckbootthiago: http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/node/21915:55
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effchen_NTxcvhello15:57
effchen_NTxcvi downloaded meego15:57
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effchen_NTxcvhow can i install it on my netbook?15:58
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thiagoinsert the USB stick with the image to your netbook's USB port15:58
effchen_NTxcvi copy the image on an USB stick?16:00
effchen_NTxcvok i will do thx16:01
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thiagoyes, using dd, like the website explains16:01
effchen_NTxcvdd?16:02
thiagoyes16:03
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effchen_NTxcvwhats that?16:03
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effchen_NTxcvwhere is it explained?16:06
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effchen_NTxcvcant find it, help please16:08
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effchen_NTxcvah, byte-copy16:10
Duckbooteffchen_NTxcv: If you don't know what dd is, and do not know how to find it, you are probably better of leaving MeeGo for a while, and come back when there is a proper install in place.16:10
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effchen_NTxcvno, i will make it, thx for help16:11
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Duckbooteffchen_NTxcv: http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook16:13
DuckbootRead through that, and your probably good to go.16:13
effchen_NTxcvthx i just didnt know how to make bootable usb16:14
effchen_NTxcvi think i get it now16:14
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Duckbooteffchen_NTxcv: Excellent16:15
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DuckbootThe MeeGo Handset - Is it still just a console? or is it with a testable UI?16:17
thiagoit has a testable UI16:18
thiagobe careful what you touch, it crashes easily16:18
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Duckbootthiago: Hmm - Installable on the N900?16:19
thiagoyes16:19
thiagoand on Aavas16:19
Duckbootthiago: Well - I'm quite used to testing thing which crash - I use windows on 1 of my PC's16:20
Duckboot*things16:20
thiago:-)16:20
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effchen_NTxcvworks :-)16:51
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Duckbooteffchen_NTxcv: Nice16:52
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effchen_NTxcvyeah!16:52
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iberlynxHello17:13
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ChildOfGod1I am running the MeeGo netbook emulator which comes with the SDK on an ubuntu box. On the emulator my chat client connects fine and web pages open but i cant connect to twitter and the connection manager stays in a disconnected state18:03
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h4xordoodhas anyone here installed meego on n900 ?18:12
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h4xordood?18:21
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Macerhm18:52
Macerwhen i get home i will try making the image for meego18:52
Stskeepsdon't bother, wait a week18:52
Maceryou always say wait a week ;)18:52
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Macerheh18:53
Maceri just want to make sure the fedora vbox is good to build it from a ks18:53
Stskeepsah, that can work..18:53
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Macerso i can keep making the imgs18:53
Maceras they come out18:53
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MacerStskeeps: how is it handling the dual boot?18:54
Macerlike the n810 w/a bootloader?18:54
Stskeepsflasher18:54
Macerso i have to flash bak and forth?18:55
Stskeepsnah18:55
Stskeepsthere's an option just to load a kernel instead of flashing it18:55
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eichihello, cant get meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img running with qemu19:59
eichiare there some specials i have to know about?19:59
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aukeeichi: running inside a VM might not work, the images are not meant for running in a VM20:01
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eichimeego-n900-open-armv7l-1.0.0.20100525.1-sda.raw20:02
eichiwhat about this one?20:02
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CosmoHillMeego requires 3D video acceleration which isn't supported by virtual machines20:11
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n900userhi guys, any of you hae downloaded Meego for N900? Do you know if messaging (Skype, MSN, etc) will work on it?20:12
Stskeepshigh expectations20:13
h4xordoodi downloaded but i am not able to run it i mean meego itself :(20:13
Stskeeps:P20:13
h4xordoodStskeeps: hi :)20:13
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CosmoHillStskeeps: the answer is "none" right?20:13
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n900userright20:14
n900userso what does work?20:14
Stskeepsat the moment? glibc20:14
Stskeeps:P20:14
n900userhave you got it installed, Stskeeps, my man20:14
Stskeepsyes, i do20:14
Stskeepsbut i'm off now20:14
CosmoHillStskeeps: not even that, the n900 uses eglibc :p20:14
Stskeepsactually no20:15
n900userok20:15
n900userso worth the download? y/n?20:15
h4xordoodi just dont understand :\20:15
Stskeepsno, cos there's no image to be dled20:15
h4xordoodi flash phone20:15
Stskeepsh4xordood: you want to read the bug report? :P20:15
h4xordoodwhen is start it boots maemo every time :\20:16
h4xordood**120:16
h4xordoodeven i buyed 16 gb card for it ;P20:16
h4xordoodi am curious20:16
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h4xordoodStskeeps: if i know exactly what i am doing then obviously i would bug report ;P20:18
h4xordoodatm i only i want to boot meego from mmc20:18
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CosmoHilldid you install meego on a memory card?20:21
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CosmoHillfor the n900?20:22
n900userSo, just to make sure20:22
n900userThe thing does NOT work, right? it's not worth downloading20:22
CosmoHillthere is very little that works20:22
n900userok Cosmo20:23
CosmoHillbut if it was worth the download or not is up to you20:23
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n900userwell, it's just hard to make a decision when i don't know to what extent it doesn;t not work20:23
n900usercan i make receive/calls, use firefox, etc?20:24
CosmoHillcalls? no20:24
CosmoHillfirefox? yes but only over wifi20:24
h4xordoodCosmoHill: i downloaded .ks file20:24
h4xordoodand then created image20:24
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h4xordoodthen i installed on mmc20:24
CosmoHillmmc a memory card?20:25
h4xordoodput the card into n90020:25
h4xordooddid flasher20:25
h4xordoodwhile pressing u connected with usb cable20:25
h4xordoodgot some vibration and got output kernel installed20:26
h4xordoodafter that when i turn on phone it maemo20:26
h4xordood:(20:26
n900userthanks CosmoHill20:26
CosmoHillI'm not familar with flashing the n90020:26
CosmoHillmaybe ask n900user how he got it on there :)20:26
h4xordoodn900user: can u please tell me20:26
h4xordood>20:26
n900userI've never flashed my N900, dude, sorry20:27
h4xordoodn900user: then how do u start meego ?20:27
h4xordoodkexec ?20:27
n900userer, I came here to ASK if it was worth downloading meego20:28
n900userhence, I don't have it installed20:28
CosmoHillah sorry, I thought you'd installed it20:28
n900userno worries20:28
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n900useri won't install it until it actually works20:29
n900userthough, I have to say, what I've seen meego can do on a mobile device20:29
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n900userit's light years ahead of what's there20:30
n900userright now20:30
n900userkeep your eyes peeled20:30
TSCHAKeeeright now, MeeGo is only of use to systems developers20:30
n900useryes, i can see that now20:30
TSCHAKeeeif you don't already know what to do20:31
TSCHAKeeeit is not for you.20:31
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n900userabsolutely right20:31
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CosmoHillhey TSCHAKeee20:41
TSCHAKeeey0 CosmoHill20:41
CosmoHillthe smallest l33t word that there is20:41
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RobotGuyI'm still deciding whether MeeGo would be a good platform for my wireless robot remote.21:15
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tripzeroRobotGuy, robot remote?21:17
tripzerois it a touchscreen device?21:17
RobotGuytripzero: Yes, a remote control for my robots.  Yes, it will be a touch screen device as well as having other controllers on it.21:17
RobotGuyA wireless remote. :)21:18
tripzerowell, if you want a distro that you can easily build a touchscreen app for, than meego is a really good candidate21:18
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RobotGuyI already have my robot's brain working with WiFi and will add XBee (ZigBee) wireless to it.21:19
tripzerocool21:19
tripzerozigbee is fun21:19
RobotGuytripzero: That might be the case.  Unfortunately, I don't have anything with Intel video to develop on.21:19
tripzeroRobotGuy, what does you hardware use for video?21:19
tripzeros/you/your*21:20
RobotGuyDoes MeeGo only work on Intel platforms, or can it run on devices that are not Intel based?21:20
RobotGuytripzero: My development machine has nVidia video.21:20
tripzeroRobotGuy, MeeGo also runs on arm-based devices21:20
RobotGuytripzero: That's wonderful, because I have been working with the BeagleBoard (TI OMAP) for awhile.21:21
tripzeroRobotGuy, meego has been known to work on the bb.  There are a couple people working on it21:21
tripzerosee #meego-arm21:21
RobotGuyI want to get /join #meego-arm21:21
RobotGuyWhoops21:21
tripzero:P21:22
aukethe beagleboard guys have been running MeeGo for a while succesfully21:22
RobotGuyI want to get http://www.liquidware.com/shop/show/BB-BT/BeagleTouch for the display/touch screen.21:23
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RobotGuyI was told yesterday there is a library for nVidia I could "drop in" to be able to run the MeeGo SDK.21:24
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tripzeroRobotGuy, you can always install the closed nvidia driver from their website21:27
CosmoHillrobots you say :)21:28
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RobotGuytripzero: Would that allow the MeeGo SDK stuff to run for me?21:35
RobotGuyCosmoHill: Yes, robots. :D I am almost done with the rebuild of W.A.L.T.E.R. now.  I just need a few more parts.21:35
tripzeroRobotGuy, sorry, i'm not sure I understand the question.  you are having trouble running something in the sdk?21:37
RobotGuytripzero: I do not have Intel video.21:38
tripzeroRobotGuy, if you are just going to develop an app, you don't need to even run meego21:38
tripzeroyou can run whichever linux distro you want21:38
tripzerojust grab the src and run21:39
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RobotGuyI understand that.  I am talking about the MeeGo SDK stuff, like the simulator.21:39
RobotGuyI'm running Kubuntu 10.04 with nVidia video.21:39
slonopotamusmeego sdk isn't meego itself?21:39
tripzeroyou can build the sdk on any distro21:39
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tripzeroslonopotamus, isn't the sdk just qtcreator + some libs + qemu?21:40
RobotGuytripzero: I don't think we are communicating well. :(21:40
tripzeromaybe not :P21:40
slonopotamustripzero: no idea21:40
tripzeroRobotGuy, I build and test meego apps on my ubuntu desktop21:41
tripzeroi've never used any simulation of any kind21:41
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slonopotamustripzero: meego runs on x86, why qemu?21:41
RobotGuytripzero: The simulator won't run for me. Do I have to rebuild the SDK on my Kubuntu setup?21:42
tripzeroslonopotamus, in case you don't want to use your desktop envi as your test environment?21:42
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tripzeroRobotGuy, you may have to rebuild it. is it a binary you are trying to run?21:42
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RobotGuytripzero: Yes, I think so.  I got it from the MeeGo website.21:43
tripzeroi really don't know much about the simulator :-S21:43
tripzeroi don't use it and really don't see it very useful for myself personally21:44
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RobotGuyWhat package do I have to install to get mic-image-creator?22:04
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Stskeepsget it from git and save yourself a lot of tears. and a fedora 12 vm22:04
RobotGuyWhat repository?22:05
Stskeepsmeego.gitorious.org under os base or developer toools22:05
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RobotGuyxhost +SI:localuser:n7pkt is not working - can not open display :022:15
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CosmoHills/openmpu/open mpi22:30
CosmoHills/openmpu/open mpi/22:30
infobotCosmoHill meant: s/open mpi/open mpi22:30
CosmoHill-.-22:30
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RobotGuyThis is not working.22:40
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Stskeepsfedora 12 vm? :P22:44
lcukisnt having to use a whole VM just to then run qemu within it like double the pain of scratchbox?22:44
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dawincihey?22:46
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CosmoHillho22:47
dawincii have a internet problem with my moblin os22:48
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CosmoHilland that problem is?22:50
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lcukdawinci, what is moblin?22:52
dawincimoblin become meego22:52
dawincianyway, it's connect to the wireless internet, but after one minut or so it's suddenly disconnect22:53
dawincifor no reason, it works fine when i use ubuntu, mint or some other os22:54
CosmoHillwhat's  your wifi card?22:54
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dawincihm... i think it's Atheros WLAN22:57
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villevmeego sdk doesn't give me the same amount of pain as scratchbox did, because it doesn't start at all ;-)23:01
villev(possibly because my nvidia card)23:01
Stskeepsthat said, we could technically run mic2 inside sdk.. i wonder if it contains mic223:01
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Bostikvillev: blank screen on boot?23:01
villevI run "meego-start" or whatever, and it does nothing23:02
villevafter I've chrooted in23:02
villevI'm talking of the netbook sdk here23:02
Bostikah that kind of setup, not vbox23:02
villevbecause that's what was easy to find on the website23:02
villevnah, I don't want a vm23:02
villevif I can help it23:02
villevI didn't need one for scratchbox anyway (x86 version)23:03
villevand the meego-sdk thing seems to be the closest thing to sbox23:03
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* thiago prefers to cross-compile23:05
BostikI jailed even sbox inside vm myself, that thing cannibalises the host it runs on23:05
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thiagoI don't want VM nor chroot23:05
dawinciCosmoHill , any solution ?23:05
CosmoHillthiago: my cluster is being a pain in the arse :(23:05
CosmoHilldawinci: nope, sorry23:05
CosmoHillI'm kinda good at gathering information for others to use23:05
villevwell, mostly I imagine I could do everything on desktop23:06
dawincithanks anyway23:06
villevthat's the desired state anyway (and then deal with hardware once it's available - didn't pick up Aava yet ;-)23:06
dawinciis there any difference between the os at moblin.org and the one at meego ?23:07
CosmoHillyes :)23:07
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dawinciwhats the difference?23:08
villevdawinci: well, you can expect moblin to be older since it's dead23:08
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lcukthiago, i prefer to native compile23:09
lcuki don't want VM nor chroot nor cross-compile23:09
villevI prefer to native compil as well - to x86 ;-)23:09
villevas it appears it will make sense to run handset ux on netbook: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=6181#post618123:10
villevso you'll get a pretty big phone to test on23:10
dawincioh, hehe23:11
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dawincibetter try the meego version23:11
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* CosmoHill has been brought up cross / chroot compiling23:11
th3hateStskeeps: Handsets beta release is due in august right?23:11
* lcuk was brought up with a Play button in visual basic23:11
lcukwhat is this compiler you speak of :P23:12
villevcompilers are for noobs23:12
villevpseudo-old farts mostly started with basic interpreters anyway23:12
Stskeepsth3hate: http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.123:13
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CosmoHillwhen i say brought up, i mean my main linux life has been cross / chroot compiling23:13
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villevhas anyone pondered ordering any of these: http://www.junauza.com/2010/07/affordable-android-powered-ipad-like.html23:14
villevin theory dealextreme should ship to civilized world as well23:15
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Stskeepsi wouldn't mind a smartdevices R7/T7 if just the mali drivers were oss23:15
Stskeepsor available in general23:15
villevmali?23:15
StskeepsARM's gpu i think23:16
Stskeepsr7/t7 has a telechips processor with a mali gpu so23:16
Stskeeps(not imgtec)23:16
villevah, smartq t723:17
TSCHAKis the T7 available now?23:17
th3hateStskeeps: you thing beta will be ready for testing by us? or very obscure like pre-alpha?23:17
th3hatethink*23:17
microlithmaybe if the companies selling them could be located, and you could get the sources to the kernel23:17
* TSCHAK has a V723:17
TSCHAKhaaaaa23:17
TSCHAKfat chance23:17
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Stskeepsth3hate: if you speak n900 i really hope we have automated images before that23:17
StskeepsTSCHAK: saying fat chance for smartdevices kernels is a bit unfair :)23:18
microlithall these cheap tablets are cool, but replacing the kernel is nigh upon impossible if the chinese companies behind them refused to comply with the GPL23:18
Stskeepsthe funny part of this company is that they were more than willing to give kernel and bootloader out for the q523:18
villevwhy do they even bother NOT complying with GPL?23:19
RobotGuyvillev: Those look real interesting. Might be nice to get one, at least for development, and they probably have most everything I need.23:19
villevRobotGuy: with $100... it doesn't even need to be that interesting ;-)23:19
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villevand N810 is the only tablet I have23:20
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TSCHAKStskeeps, they do not talk to anyone unless they speak chinese23:20
villev7incher would be an improvement (quoth the wife)23:20
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StskeepsTSCHAK: that's not true either23:20
TSCHAK(mandarin specifically, but my mandarin is beyond suck)23:20
StskeepsTSCHAK: i mean, i had the product manager for q5 on gtalk :)23:20
Stskeepsas well as the kernel developer on email23:21
TSCHAKit's not just the kernel either, they patched a weird video out driver into vlc23:21
RobotGuyvillev: Yes, indeed. :) It's the kind of thing I have been looking for - just needs XBee. :)23:21
TSCHAKhad a patched GTK+ that couldn't be rebuilt23:21
Stskeepsvlc is a bit wtf indeed23:21
TSCHAKi'm not very happy with them23:21
TSCHAKgrante23:21
TSCHAKd23:21
TSCHAKWE are not their target market23:21
TSCHAKbut...23:21
TSCHAKsigh.23:21
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villevagain, with $100, it could have hitler and I'd buy it23:22
lcukso why cant you use the android drivers (assuming its available)23:22
TSCHAKmost likely they depend on the android specific kernel patches23:22
lcukand because of the wonderful level of compatability between kernelsthis isnt a problem *grin*23:23
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