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lbt | copyleft: ping ... did you email me details for OBS access? | 01:21 |
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Lycus | Hey, what package management system does Meego use? From the gist of things it looks like it's binary compatible with Fedora. Is that right? | 01:41 |
thiago_home | rpm and no | 01:42 |
Lycus | So if I wanted to install X-CHAT or, say, gnome-rdp, I'd have to compile it from source? | 01:43 |
thiago_home | if it's not in the repositories, yes | 01:44 |
DawnFoster | hmmm, not necessarily | 01:44 |
thiago_home | well, packages from other distros may or may not work | 01:44 |
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DawnFoster | I've installed some rpms without recompiling | 01:44 |
DawnFoster | right, but they may | 01:44 |
thiago_home | the point is that MeeGo isn't making a conscious effort to stay compatible | 01:44 |
DawnFoster | so far, I've had pretty good luck with a few. | 01:44 |
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DawnFoster | but if his question is can I install a random rpm - sure, try it. | 01:45 |
ScottishDuck | thiago_home: since when were distros cross-compatable? | 01:45 |
ScottishDuck | most of them aren't | 01:45 |
thiago_home | I also needed libjpeg8, but trying to install that would remove a lot of stuff, so I just copied the files | 01:45 |
thiago_home | ScottishDuck: some distros have a policy to stay compatible with other distros | 01:46 |
ScottishDuck | ...such as? | 01:46 |
Lycus | CentOS. | 01:46 |
thiago_home | the Ubuntu family and Debian, CentOS and Fedora, PCLinuxOS and Mandriva | 01:46 |
Lycus | CentOS' whole purpose is to stay binary compatible with RHEL. | 01:46 |
Lycus | But be free. | 01:46 |
ScottishDuck | thiago_home: distro based on other distros would be compatable | 01:47 |
thiago_home | ScottishDuck: not really | 01:47 |
ScottishDuck | that's basically what you just stated | 01:47 |
thiago_home | the fact that it's based on doesn't imply it's compatible | 01:47 |
Lycus | Most .deb files meant for Debian won't work on a modern Ubunt installation. | 01:47 |
Lycus | Ubuntu* | 01:48 |
thiago_home | SuSE was based on Slackware, but it definitely wasn't compatible | 01:48 |
thiago_home | Mandriva was based on Red Hat but dropped compatibility too | 01:48 |
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ScottishDuck | why are you contradicting yourself | 01:48 |
thiago_home | no, I'm not | 01:48 |
thiago_home | the point is that "base on" is not a guarantee | 01:48 |
ScottishDuck | you said ubuntu was compatable with debian | 01:48 |
thiago_home | the conscious effort to maintain the compatibility is the guarantee | 01:48 |
thiago_home | yes, I did | 01:49 |
thiago_home | and yes, Ubuntu is mostly compatible with Debian | 01:49 |
thiago_home | but the reason for that is the conscious effort to stay compatible, not simply because it's based on Debian | 01:49 |
Lycus | Well, I saw on Meego's wiki that it recommended installing a . rpm meant for Fedora to install Dropbox, so I was curious if it was, in practice, largely binary compatible with Fedora. | 01:49 |
thiago_home | Lycus: currently, in practice, it is largely compatible | 01:49 |
thiago_home | but since there's no official policy to stay, it may drift in the future | 01:50 |
DawnFoster | I've installed several rpm files without any issues - many will work, some will not | 01:50 |
ScottishDuck | for security, it's actually the best practice to be binary incompatible with other distros | 01:50 |
ScottishDuck | also just for general bug squashing | 01:52 |
lcuk | thiago_home, would it drift as far as hosting a deb inside an rpm wrapper :P | 01:53 |
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tmzt | ScottishDuck: security? you can always use a static bin or just ship the libraries you need | 02:22 |
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tmzt | ubuntu starts with imports from debian unstable or something like that | 02:22 |
ScottishDuck | "starts with" | 02:22 |
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Lycus | Out of curiosity is there any reason meego uses a .img for installation rather than the more standard .iso? | 02:23 |
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Lycus | Hmm... what does everyone here use for IRC in meego? There's no XChat in the repos. | 03:35 |
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Lycus | Where'd everyone go? =/ | 03:56 |
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crysaz | terminal+ssh+screen+irssi? | 09:01 |
dm8tbr | ==win | 09:03 |
Stskeeps | how's the port coming, dm8tbr? | 09:04 |
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dm8tbr | Stskeeps: I spent a week waiting for powermanagement patches for pvr | 09:04 |
Stskeeps | where did you try to grab it from? | 09:05 |
Stskeeps | the driver, that is | 09:05 |
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dm8tbr | archos uses different PM that n900 | 09:05 |
Stskeeps | yeah | 09:05 |
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Stskeeps | i once ported the pvr from maemo to beagleboard, a pain :P | 09:06 |
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ejhart | hey guys does meego have a daily build? | 09:08 |
dm8tbr | they helped me with the omaplfb part | 09:08 |
dm8tbr | but then the PM got ugly and I asked for the source | 09:08 |
Stskeeps | ejhart: repo.meego.com | 09:08 |
dm8tbr | because both modules claim to be GPL d'uh | 09:08 |
ejhart | what's the latest kernel that meego is using | 09:09 |
ejhart | ? | 09:09 |
Stskeeps | ejhart: 2.6.35-rc3 or 4, can't recall | 09:09 |
dm8tbr | I guess the guy just forgot :/ | 09:09 |
dm8tbr | Stskeeps: I think I'm going to try the n8x0 image you made instead. | 09:09 |
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dm8tbr | even if it's slow. I need some satisfaction | 09:10 |
Stskeeps | i would wait a couple of days until Trunk is settled | 09:10 |
ejhart | hmm might have to give it a go | 09:10 |
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ejhart | I'm trying to find a nice netbook distro for my Lenovo s10-3t | 09:10 |
ejhart | windows is just way too bloated for the atom | 09:10 |
dm8tbr | someone had problems with the wireless driver on that | 09:10 |
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ejhart | yeah the driver is broadcom so it's expected lol | 09:11 |
ejhart | everything broadcom has always been a pita ime | 09:11 |
ejhart | what package system does meego use? | 09:12 |
Stskeeps | rpm | 09:12 |
Stskeeps | and zypper | 09:12 |
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ejhart | hmm darn | 09:13 |
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dm8tbr | zypper feels a lot like apt-get to me :) | 09:13 |
ejhart | true it's just package name translations that get me hehe | 09:14 |
ejhart | I'll live boot the July 13 build and check it out | 09:14 |
ejhart | meego does live boot yeah? | 09:14 |
Stskeeps | uncertain on the netbook side | 09:15 |
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ejhart | guess I'll find ou | 09:15 |
ejhart | out | 09:15 |
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ejhart | so there's nothing like jockey-gtk for meego to find and install proprietary drivers? | 10:45 |
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Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:50 |
Stskeeps | morn | 10:50 |
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X-Fade | Morning | 10:51 |
Stskeeps | morn X-Fade | 10:51 |
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ejhart | so getting the broadcom wirless to work with the instructions on slain didn't work with the daily builds? | 10:53 |
Stskeeps | new kernel at least | 10:54 |
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ejhart | giving it a go now | 10:56 |
ejhart | don't see why it shouldn't work | 10:56 |
ejhart | unless it's just not the right drivers | 10:56 |
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tmzt | ejhart: what device? | 10:57 |
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ejhart | it's the Lenovo s10-3t | 11:02 |
ejhart | netbook/tablet | 11:02 |
tmzt | what's slain? | 11:03 |
ejhart | some website that links from the meego help | 11:03 |
ejhart | about packing and installing broadcome wifi drivers | 11:03 |
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ejhart | hmm | 11:07 |
ejhart | looks like it will work | 11:07 |
ejhart | I just have to install meego first | 11:07 |
ejhart | having user/group issues | 11:07 |
dragonlinux | is meego is available to be install on n900 ? | 11:07 |
dm8tbr | is hear that is possible is yes | 11:08 |
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X-Fade | dragonlinux: As some kind of a tech preview yes. | 11:08 |
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ejhart | I take that back | 11:09 |
ejhart | it's a kernel issue | 11:09 |
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ejhart | tmzt this is the website http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.0_Wifi.html | 11:13 |
ejhart | doesn't want to work with 2.6.35 though | 11:13 |
Stskeeps | well, it is meego 1.0 | 11:14 |
ejhart | I know | 11:14 |
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ejhart | hmm | 11:18 |
ejhart | Patch for kernel 2.6.33 and higher | 11:18 |
ejhart | that's what it says on the broadcom site so it should work | 11:18 |
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Stskeeps | yes, but needs to be recompiled | 11:19 |
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ejhart | well there's your problem | 11:33 |
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ejhart | the kernel-netbook-devel is incomplete | 11:34 |
ejhart | there isn't even a src dir | 11:34 |
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Stskeeps | just needed headers and makefiles | 11:34 |
ejhart | well to patch it I need the src dir | 11:35 |
ejhart | lol | 11:35 |
ejhart | the broadcom patch is wanting to patch | 11:35 |
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Stskeeps | you patch the source tree | 11:35 |
Stskeeps | which isn't -devel | 11:35 |
ejhart | linuxver.h in /src/include | 11:36 |
ejhart | gotcha | 11:36 |
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lbt_ | can we have an irc-logger in #meego-dev please | 11:38 |
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Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/merbot/freenode/%23meego-dev/ | 11:40 |
Stskeeps | add to topic | 11:40 |
tmzt | and #meego-arm ? | 11:41 |
lbt_ | I don't think I have rights in any meego chans | 11:42 |
Stskeeps | meego-arm has logs in topic | 11:42 |
Stskeeps | always had | 11:42 |
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ejhart | ah poo kernel panic heh | 11:44 |
ejhart | well it's def got some potential | 11:44 |
lbt_ | bbl | 11:44 |
ejhart | once wifi patch is included in the kernel or maybe an easier way to install it like jockey-gtk style and the multitouch gets figured out it'll be really nice with meego | 11:45 |
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ejhart | hopefully by the time 2.6.35 gets to stable release the Cando touchscreen will have multitouch | 11:50 |
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Myrtti | moin | 12:49 |
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* X-Fade sees a brave soul compile Qt4.7 on community OBS ;) | 14:37 | |
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faid | what's the integration plan for Qt Mobility in MeeGo? will the latest releases be integrated as soon as they are available? | 15:13 |
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fabo | faid: there isn't any integration plan for Qt Mobility in MeeGo, there's only 2 releases of Qt Mobility | 15:24 |
fabo | 1.0.1 will be pushed soon to MeeGo | 15:25 |
ejhart | yeah on it now | 15:25 |
alterego | Will MeeGo be using MAFW | 15:25 |
alterego | ? | 15:25 |
ejhart | gotta have some kind of hardware propriatery driver install or something | 15:25 |
ejhart | lol | 15:25 |
ejhart | getting broadcom wifi drivers installed is a pita | 15:26 |
fabo | ejhart: on it now ? me too :) | 15:27 |
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* thiago_home would love if someone created a "non-free" repository with the broadcom driver as a dkms | 15:28 | |
faid | fabo: Ok, what I'm especially interested in is the Camera API, which was available in 1.0.0beta1 but got pulled from the release and is scheduled to be back in 1.1.0 | 15:29 |
fabo | thiago_home: non-oss ? | 15:29 |
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thiago_home | yes | 15:30 |
fabo | faid: atm; I doubt 1.1.0 is released in time for MeeGo 1.1 | 15:30 |
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fabo | thiago_home: I mean we have a non-oss repository | 15:30 |
slaine | I tried to push this with Intel but their lawyers said NO | 15:30 |
ejhart | yeah I can't get the damn drivers to compile though | 15:30 |
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ejhart | they won't compile with just the kernel dev | 15:31 |
ejhart | so I'm trying to download the source which is not working out very well | 15:31 |
slaine | there's an indemnification clause in the broadcom license that revents it from happening | 15:31 |
slaine | ejhart: I assume you've tried my source rpm ? | 15:31 |
thiago_home | fabo: I meant one that isn't "approved" | 15:31 |
ejhart | slaine yes | 15:32 |
ejhart | it won't compile with 2.6.34 | 15:32 |
ejhart | er 35 | 15:32 |
thiago_home | fabo: like the PLF is for Mandriva (contains MP3 codecs, Flash, some firmwares, etc.) | 15:32 |
ejhart | so I'm trying to just patch and compile | 15:32 |
ejhart | I'm thinking I need to remove the kernel-netbook-dev and just install the source? | 15:32 |
ejhart | nope | 15:35 |
ejhart | still not installing source sigh | 15:35 |
ejhart | slaine any ideas/help would be greatly appreciated | 15:35 |
faid | fabo: sounds reasonable. I've been trying to find a release date for 1.1.0 but all I could find was second half of 2010.. | 15:35 |
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AstralStorm | hello | 15:46 |
AstralStorm | which phone to take: Nokia n900 or Samsung Galaxy S? | 15:46 |
AstralStorm | samsung has the tasty screen... | 15:46 |
AstralStorm | price is about the same | 15:47 |
AstralStorm | n900 has the nice keyboard | 15:47 |
X-Fade | AstralStorm: This is not the right channel for questions like that. | 15:47 |
AstralStorm | which one is? | 15:49 |
AstralStorm | :) | 15:49 |
AstralStorm | this one should have a... wide cell-phone interested audience | 15:50 |
AstralStorm | and supposedly isn't vendor-specific | 15:50 |
AstralStorm | other suggestions are also welcome apart from these two phones | 15:50 |
X-Fade | But both aren't sold running MeeGo :) | 15:50 |
AstralStorm | I'm interested in 800x480 | 15:50 |
AstralStorm | is any phone sold running meego? thought not | 15:51 |
AstralStorm | ;p | 15:51 |
VRe | so therefore you are asking on wrong channel | 15:52 |
AstralStorm | so what's the right channel? | 15:52 |
X-Fade | Try #offtopic | 15:52 |
AstralStorm | this is as right as I know | 15:52 |
AstralStorm | hmmph | 15:53 |
VRe | some phoneforums in www-world | 15:53 |
AstralStorm | forums are slow :/ | 15:53 |
VRe | if u are in such a rush, then you better to go buy both | 15:53 |
AstralStorm | I'm not *that* rich | 15:53 |
ejhart | slaine it gives me an error for wl_linux.c struct net_device has no member named mc_list and mc_count | 15:54 |
ejhart | in _wl_set_multicast_list | 15:54 |
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yael | Hi, is there a wiki that explains how I can create my own meego panel? I wanted to know mainly if I could create a new panel using Qt instead of GTK. | 15:56 |
slaine | ejhart: to be honest, I've been so busy, I've not looked into it (still haven't ported my gstreamer rpms either) | 15:57 |
slaine | Is there an updated kernel that I'm not seeing ? | 15:57 |
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ejhart | 2.6.35-4 is what I'm on | 15:59 |
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ejhart | rc4 | 15:59 |
ejhart | installed the meego build from the 13th | 15:59 |
townxelliot | yael: as far as I'm aware, there's no documentation on creating your own panel; but the source for the netbook panels is available to work from | 15:59 |
slaine | ah right, bleeding edge | 15:59 |
ejhart | 2.6.33 won't work for my touchscreen :( | 15:59 |
slaine | as in, it's not recognized as a hid device ? | 16:01 |
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ejhart | yeah they didn't patch for Cando touchscreen till 2.6.34 | 16:01 |
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slaine | never heard of that one | 16:02 |
yael | townxelliot: thanks,seems like all existing panels are using GTK, I was hoping to get some info on how I could use Qt instead. Any suggestion for that? | 16:04 |
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ejhart | lmao | 16:07 |
ejhart | well | 16:07 |
ejhart | I got it to compile | 16:07 |
ejhart | it's all hacked up though :P | 16:07 |
ejhart | warnings up the wazoo | 16:07 |
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townxelliot | yael: the netbook panels (expect bluetooth and network) are written in Mx + Clutter, rather than GTK | 16:11 |
fabo | lbt: sorry :) main.cpp:73: fatal error: error writing to /tmp/cch4C20N.s: No space left on device | 16:11 |
slaine | townxelliot: what are the bluetooth/network panels written in then | 16:11 |
townxelliot | yael: http://clutter-project.org/ | 16:11 |
fabo | X-Fade: ^^^ see my message | 16:11 |
wao | nice | 16:11 |
yael | townxelliot: thank you, that looks very promissing :-) | 16:12 |
townxelliot | slaine: GTK, I believe | 16:12 |
slaine | right | 16:12 |
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ejhart | yeah this isn't gonna work | 16:17 |
ejhart | insmod is failing :/ | 16:17 |
ejhart | -1 unkown symbol in module? | 16:18 |
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iamer | Stskeeps: Hello, I was trying to build meego for arm using mic2 and found some issues that I had to workaround, and was told to contact you about them. | 16:26 |
Stskeeps | iamer: jump into #meego-arm - for starters, do yourself a favour and get a fedora VM instead of whatever you run at the moment | 16:27 |
iamer | Stskeeps: I am there now | 16:27 |
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mmeeks | thiago_home: quick random Qt query - I install the handset goodness on an Intel Atom from public Trunk repos; I run mcompositor: symbol lookup error... QListData::detach_grow(int *, int); | 16:32 |
mmeeks | thiago_home: any ideas ? :-) [ also is there a MeeGo:Handset 'sdk' (chroot tar-ball) as there appears to be for Netbook ] | 16:33 |
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ejhart | really wish this damn thing would tell me where struct_net_device is | 16:34 |
ejhart | so anyone have any ideas why I can't get the whole kernel source installed? | 16:37 |
thiago_home | mmeeks: that's a new symbol in 4.7 | 16:37 |
thiago_home | mmeeks: it means mcompositor was built with 4.7 but you're running against 4.6 | 16:38 |
mmeeks | thiago_home: ta. very much :-) | 16:38 |
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amjad | i have compiled and tested my first package using beta community obs :) | 17:17 |
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Stskeeps | cool, congrats | 17:17 |
amjad | thnx | 17:17 |
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slaine | am I the only one seeing moblin-panel-web crash a lot ? | 18:01 |
slaine | I wonder if it's 'cause I'm using Chrome over Chromium | 18:01 |
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Twiggy2 | hay | 18:40 |
The-Compiler | hey | 18:40 |
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* microlith looks at Ars and facepalms | 18:46 | |
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alterego | Is MeeGo using MAFW? | 18:54 |
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microlith | mafw? | 18:54 |
alterego | "Media Application Framework" | 18:54 |
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alterego | Develeoped by Nokia for Maemo | 18:54 |
microlith | oh | 18:54 |
microlith | unlikely | 18:54 |
GAN900 | microlith, what's Ars do? | 18:54 |
microlith | GAN900: not so much ars as their link to phoronix regarding the GMA600 chipset | 18:55 |
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microlith | alterego: if there's anything maemo inside meego, I can't see it | 18:55 |
alterego | Heh | 18:55 |
alterego | Telepathy? | 18:56 |
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alterego | Telepathy wasw a Nokia initiative .. | 18:56 |
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microlith | basically this: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQxOA | 18:58 |
alterego | So what is MeeGo using for it's multimedia ? | 18:59 |
alterego | (on top of gstreamer) ... | 18:59 |
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alterego | If they're using Tracker too, MAFW kind of makes sense .. | 19:00 |
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slaine | alterego: the media player is banshee | 19:02 |
alterego | I mean inbetween the application layer and gstreamer, if there isn't anything then fine .. | 19:03 |
slaine | There's a Qt media framework iirc that people are encouraged to use | 19:03 |
alterego | Well, found a thread on meego-dev | 19:03 |
slaine | yeah, that was fun | 19:03 |
alterego | Urgh | 19:03 |
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alterego | I kind of liked MAFW too :/ Thought Nokia's use of dbus services, Telepathy, MAFW was really cool. | 19:04 |
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lcuk | alterego, i have to concur :P it works well and removed the need for each app to rebuild from scratch just to (for instance) make a track changing widget | 19:07 |
alterego | Yeah, That and my Media IM status updater :) | 19:08 |
alterego | Maybe we should rally for it :D | 19:08 |
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* mmeeks has the handset UI running (just launched mcompositor under Xephyr in a chroot), yet the screen is empty and black ;-) | 19:10 | |
* mmeeks wonders if some magic wait-for-vrefresh is not happening (or somesuch) | 19:10 | |
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w00t_ | mmeeks: do you have anything except mcompositor running? | 19:10 |
mmeeks | w00t_: nothing, | 19:11 |
* mmeeks suspects he needs his uxlaunch -x patch that auke is reviewing here too (perhaps) | 19:12 | |
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w00t_ | mmeeks: you probably want to run something else like the home manager, duihome or mhome or whatever it is called | 19:13 |
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* mmeeks boggles generally at the heap ... | 19:17 | |
mmeeks | w00t_: the duihome (once) showed me some black-and white demo-app like set of menus :-) | 19:18 |
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w00t_ | that sounds like widgetsgallery | 19:18 |
mmeeks | w00t_: it seems to mostly fail on start with an X Error: BadMatch etc. ;-) | 19:18 |
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mmeeks | w00t_: is there really no way to easily run this on a PC ? | 19:19 |
mmeeks | w00t_: no kvm image ? or ... | 19:19 |
w00t_ | mmeeks: not that I know of.. early days, and nobody has put anything together afaik | 19:19 |
w00t_ | i could be wrong | 19:19 |
w00t_ | I've been busy lately so I haven't been keeping up | 19:19 |
mmeeks | w00t_: thanks anyhow ... | 19:20 |
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Stskeeps | mmeeks: there was a netbook image at some point | 19:24 |
mmeeks | Stskeeps: sure, the netbook stuff works beautifully for me :-) | 19:24 |
mmeeks | the handset - not at all (sadly) | 19:24 |
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slaine | I'm pretty sure there was a guide to get the handset working on a netbook | 19:24 |
slaine | I think that's what Stskeeps might have meant | 19:24 |
mmeeks | slaine: ah ok - bootstrap one from the other :-) | 19:24 |
mmeeks | neat | 19:24 |
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Stskeeps | there's a post on the forum.meego.com forum by tekojo i elieve | 19:25 |
slaine | there may even have been a kickstart file | 19:25 |
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slaine | yeah, thats sounding familiar Stskeeps | 19:25 |
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slaine | grrrr | 19:35 |
slaine | ] | 19:35 |
slaine | moblin-panel-web is pissing me off | 19:35 |
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th0br0 | haha, awesome. | 20:54 |
th0br0 | this is the first time i've seen nokia-related spam in my inbox | 20:55 |
th0br0 | http://pastebin.ca/1901909 | 20:55 |
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th0br0 | heya Stskeeps, safely back home? | 21:01 |
th0br0 | s/safely back home/back home safely/ | 21:01 |
infobot | th0br0 meant: heya Stskeeps, back home safely? | 21:01 |
Stskeeps | yeah, no plane crashes for me. glad to be back to have an ordinary work day | 21:02 |
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Guest99494 | hi all! what is the address of the community OBS? how can I get an account? | 21:53 |
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ChildOfGod | I was trying to build one module at a time on my Ubuntu from http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-netbook-ux . I had to battle too many dependency problems. In most cases I had most of the requisite packages but it kept looking for some *.pc file which is supposed to be found in /lib/pkgconfig/ dir . Is building this stuff easier on Fedora? | 21:58 |
ChildOfGod | Actually I want to know the best work flow for hacking the netbook-ux | 22:00 |
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th0br0 | Guest99494: ask lbt once he's around. | 22:11 |
lbt | umm... wassup... | 22:11 |
lbt | Hi Guest99494.... | 22:12 |
ChildOfGod | Could someone just share his/her netbook-ux hacking workflow with me? | 22:12 |
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lbt | the OBS is just open for beta testing at the moment | 22:13 |
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lbt | we have a fair few testers on the meego side already so not especially looking for more at the moment unless you've got masses of OBS knowledge and lots of time to help hack ;) | 22:14 |
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ChildOfGod | What is OBS? | 22:15 |
ChildOfGod | ah, its opensuse build service | 22:17 |
Guest99494 | is there a timeline? | 22:17 |
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Guest99494 | I would like to setup a local OBS at my company | 22:17 |
lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service may help | 22:18 |
lbt | we are at the mercy of the hardware pixies | 22:18 |
lbt | I would call them hardware gods but clearly they are having great difficulty moving the damned stuff ;) | 22:19 |
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lbt | we were assured it would be in by mid-june | 22:19 |
lbt | when I asked "what year?" I was kidding | 22:19 |
lbt | now... | 22:19 |
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Guest99494 | so I will try that link, tks | 23:08 |
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