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trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:07 |
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CosmoHill | I wonder if trem is actually in this channel or he just does /amsg | 00:23 |
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Tm_T | CosmoHill: he did quit ~7 minutes before your comment | 00:32 |
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lcuk | Tm_T, CosmoHill meant about whether he was in multiple channels | 00:33 |
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Tm_T | ah | 00:33 |
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lcuk | CosmoHill, i think he does | 00:43 |
lcuk | in the past, he has given different messages in different chans | 00:43 |
lcuk | it amused me | 00:43 |
CosmoHill | what other chans is he in? | 00:43 |
lcuk | cant remember off hand, #maemo, #mer, #meego i believe - there was 4 tho im sure | 00:45 |
lcuk | that i know of | 00:45 |
lcuk | ask him tomorrow :P | 00:45 |
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CosmoHill | tell him I say "sweet dreams" | 01:07 |
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lcuk | CosmoHill, did i hear you right, your device doesnt run meego | 01:14 |
CosmoHill | correct | 01:15 |
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CosmoHill | are you gonna banish me from the channel? | 01:15 |
lcuk | lol what is it? | 01:15 |
lcuk | and what fails | 01:15 |
CosmoHill | Philips 15" laptop with nvidia graphics | 01:15 |
lcuk | yeah, its all those extra inches :p | 01:16 |
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lcuk | summer break at uni has started i gather | 01:16 |
CosmoHill | i finished my exam 1st of June | 01:16 |
CosmoHill | i also started my exams the first of june :D | 01:17 |
lcuk | lol | 01:17 |
lcuk | i know you finished you r big assignment | 01:17 |
lcuk | but didnt know when you broke up for summer | 01:17 |
CosmoHill | the c++ one? | 01:17 |
lcuk | yeah, am i mixing them up | 01:17 |
CosmoHill | that wasn't a big one, just the one i talked about the most | 01:18 |
lcuk | oh, what was your biggy then? | 01:18 |
CosmoHill | group design | 01:18 |
CosmoHill | 2 semesters of work | 01:19 |
lcuk | hah what are you designing then | 01:19 |
lcuk | or is the outcome to come up with a better group | 01:19 |
CosmoHill | http://group.black-flag.co.uk | 01:19 |
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CosmoHill | we designed the website, database etc | 01:20 |
CosmoHill | whole thing | 01:20 |
lcuk | cool beans | 01:21 |
lcuk | how many weeks did you spend researching the cave? | 01:21 |
CosmoHill | I was one of the key programmers | 01:21 |
CosmoHill | two words | 01:21 |
CosmoHill | free wifi | 01:21 |
lcuk | at the cave? | 01:21 |
CosmoHill | i duno | 01:21 |
CosmoHill | never been | 01:21 |
lcuk | its a lap dancing club, not a laptop club | 01:22 |
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* lcuk reads from your page | 01:22 | |
lcuk | Cave Nightclub is a Premier Pole Dancing Club in Chelmsford, the heart of Essex, Providing Adult Entertainment and a good place to start or finish your evening out. | 01:22 |
lcuk | :D | 01:22 |
CosmoHill | opposite the train station too | 01:22 |
CosmoHill | and bus station | 01:22 |
lcuk | they always are | 01:22 |
lcuk | thats quite awesome tho | 01:23 |
lcuk | whats it written in/ | 01:23 |
CosmoHill | php | 01:23 |
lcuk | i knew there had to be a downside to it ;) :p | 01:25 |
* lcuk has some really basic php stuff | 01:26 | |
CosmoHill | I have php and mysql experience from before uni | 01:27 |
CosmoHill | those I got good grades in two subjects cos they screwed up | 01:27 |
lcuk | yeah, lamp experience is good to have | 01:27 |
CosmoHill | we did database design with 2 or 3 weeks of php | 01:27 |
CosmoHill | so most of the students didn't know how to get the website to work | 01:27 |
CosmoHill | which was worth 20% | 01:28 |
lcuk | most of the adults dont know how to get a website to work | 01:28 |
lcuk | takes brainboxes such as yourself :p | 01:28 |
CosmoHill | i think people own me things | 01:28 |
CosmoHill | friend has a create of ciderr somewhere for mre | 01:29 |
lcuk | from the typos there looks like you drunk them already, tracy got a bottle of cider the other day to try and bring back college day dirnking binge feeling | 01:29 |
lcuk | she took one swig and hated it | 01:29 |
CosmoHill | hehe | 01:30 |
lcuk | right, i must vanihs, ive got a few patches to apply | 01:31 |
lcuk | cya later CosmoHill \o | 01:31 |
CosmoHill | cyas | 01:32 |
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CosmoHill | bonne nuit | 02:56 |
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fdr_tr | hi | 03:09 |
fdr_tr | any1? | 03:09 |
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copyleft | Stskeeps, dl9pf_: Done setup OBS 1.8 and repository of MeeGo 1.0 x86 :D | 06:27 |
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rob_w | why is my meego img not booting as cdrom image in Virtualbox ? | 11:15 |
Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:17 |
rob_w | hey jaffa | 11:18 |
fcocuadrado_ | morning | 11:18 |
rob_w | i am trying to boot meego inside virtualbox .. but its stuck at the bootloader .. any ideas ? | 11:19 |
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Jaffa | Not long left until the Handset UX gets its big reveal | 11:25 |
Jaffa | (hopefully) | 11:25 |
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weggi | <ad | 11:27 |
weggi | uups, sorry :) | 11:27 |
rob_w | ok how do i put the img to a usbstick ? | 11:27 |
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Aard | rob_w: dd | 11:28 |
rob_w | thx | 11:28 |
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Aard | as for virtualbox, try a vdi image. cd images are known not to work in virtualbox | 11:28 |
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rob_w | yeah i got that to work somehow but now i want to see it for real | 11:28 |
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Aard | \\ | 11:56 |
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slaine | howdy y'all | 12:02 |
amjad | hi slaine | 12:04 |
slaine | how's that netbook working ? | 12:04 |
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amjad | great | 12:07 |
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slaine | amjad: what model was it | 12:15 |
slaine | I'm interested in getting a netbook with an Intel D4xx or D5xx Atom | 12:15 |
amjad | eMachines em350 | 12:15 |
amjad | with intel atom 450 | 12:15 |
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amjad | it is cheap and good for a test machine | 12:16 |
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slaine | thanks | 12:18 |
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FunkyPenguin | anyone able to help with a moblin-panel-status error please? | 12:34 |
FunkyPenguin | im getting moblin-panel-status no-return-in-nonvoid-function mps-geotag-pane.c:366 | 12:35 |
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Junnu | any idea if meego would run in old flybook a33? | 12:40 |
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FunkyPenguin | Junnu, what's the processor/graphics chipset? | 13:01 |
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amjad | it is transmete processor | 13:06 |
amjad | and i am sure it does not support sse3 | 13:06 |
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slaine | probably not so Junnu | 13:09 |
slaine | not until we get a generic x86 release | 13:09 |
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Junnu | ok, thanks for info | 13:26 |
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amjad | and i have just build the rpm for xchat for meego , only if obs was open | 13:48 |
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Trollkarlen | Stskeeps: I saw a thread where you talked about spectacle, what the main problem that is solves and/or whats the benefit that comes with it compares to using just spec files ? | 14:24 |
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ius | Err, does http://meego.com/user/register enforce a minimum username length? | 15:47 |
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ius | "Use only letters a-z and/or digits 0-9 for username" -> That's what I did, three letters to be precise. | 15:48 |
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ius | Oh reading comprehension is what it's called isn't it. Lower case, right. | 15:49 |
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maboman | Is there any activity going on, to get Meego running ok also on non intel net/notebooks? | 15:59 |
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maboman | I'd like to get that installed to old IBM T43 ... but cannot pass installation with btrfs partitions. Maybe same problem as in Bug 2354 and Bug 2504 and some others. | 16:05 |
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FunkyPenguin | anyone able to advise if the messagingframework tests are needed on a live system? | 16:35 |
FunkyPenguin | trying to package messagingframework as is in repo.meego.com causes no end of rpath pain on opensuse | 16:36 |
Aard | why do you create a new package of something that already exists? | 16:36 |
FunkyPenguin | Aard, because it doesnt exist in opensuse | 16:40 |
Aard | oh, makes sense. thought you were trying to use a custom one for meego | 16:41 |
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Aard | and no, you don't need the tests for the end-user, but it's quite handy to have them to test if everything is working the way it should. so, preferably include the tests | 16:41 |
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FunkyPenguin | Aard, thanks for the clarification | 16:44 |
Aard | you might also want to have a look at this repository, contains a few changes which make packaging easier (though you can't use it if you don't want to use the accounts-sso framework) | 16:44 |
Aard | (future meego-versions of messagingframework will be from that repository) | 16:44 |
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FunkyPenguin | Aard, as long as it has working rpath stuf then great :) | 16:45 |
FunkyPenguin | what's the repository? | 16:45 |
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Aard | that's a fork of the generic messagingframework with support for accounts-sso | 16:47 |
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FunkyPenguin | Aard, sorry what's the url? | 16:48 |
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Aard | oh, sorry, thought I already pasted it :) | 16:49 |
Aard | http://meego.gitorious.com/meego-middleware/messagingframework | 16:49 |
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FunkyPenguin | ah excellent thanks | 16:49 |
fabo | yum provides "*/QtCore" | 16:50 |
fabo | No Matches found | 16:50 |
fabo | any ideas ? | 16:50 |
FunkyPenguin | is there a tarball for the new messaging framework or will i have to roll my own? | 16:51 |
Aard | roll your own. git archive is your friend | 16:51 |
fabo | FunkyPenguin: roll your own | 16:51 |
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FunkyPenguin | thanks | 16:54 |
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FunkyPenguin | Aard, sorry to bother you, but any chance you could advise on the following error please? http://pastie.org/1023401 | 17:21 |
Aard | FunkyPenguin: that's from the accounts framework I mentioned | 17:21 |
FunkyPenguin | that what i get with with using the meego-middleware branch of messagingframework | 17:21 |
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Aard | yes, because we're going to use accounts-sse for account storage. if you don't want that just have a look at the repository if some of the changes make your life easier, and cherry pick | 17:23 |
Aard | if you do, you need to include accounts-glib and accounts-qt from here: http://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/ | 17:23 |
Aard | (rpm packages for that are in meego daily) | 17:23 |
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FunkyPenguin | ick, ok thanks | 17:25 |
fabo | replying to myself: yum.repos.d is empy when you generate an image. You should add a repo yourself. | 17:26 |
Aard | fabo: add --save to the repositories in your kickstart file you want present in the image | 17:27 |
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fabo | Aard: thanks for the hint | 17:28 |
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dl9pf_ | copyleft: great ! | 17:37 |
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sameo | anyone here familiar with Nokia's IDLETIMER iptables target ? | 18:03 |
Robot101 | sameo: is this to plug in to the heartbeat / iphb stuff? | 18:04 |
Robot101 | sameo: if so I'm not aware of it other than it exists, and that iphpd is inexplicably closed source, and that we were required to plug into the libiphb at some point for XMPP keepalives too | 18:05 |
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sameo | Robot101: never heard about iphb, which stands for IP heartbeat ? | 18:09 |
sameo | Robot101: I was mostly interested to see which rules is Nokia setting for the IDLETIMER target | 18:09 |
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Robot101 | sameo: yeah, the idea is that there is one source of wakeups on the system which require the wifi antenna to be turned on and packets sent and received, and that userland keepalives and TCP keepalives and acks are delayed until this timer goes off | 18:10 |
Robot101 | at a guess some code stolen from Symbian and ported hence the inexplicable license and own IPC system | 18:11 |
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sameo | lovely | 18:12 |
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saltsa_ | is the pre-alpha version to be released today? | 18:17 |
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TSCHAKeee2 | boy howdy they're pushing handset down to the wire | 18:22 |
TSCHAKeee2 | June 30.. HAAAA WE DID SAY JUNE! WE DID SAY JUNE! | 18:22 |
TSCHAKeee2 | :P | 18:22 |
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slaine | TSCHAKeee2: there's a TSG meeting on tomorrow. My guess is that it'll be out before then :) | 18:31 |
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Aard | it looks promising ;) | 18:33 |
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rjack | Is there a website where I can browse all the packages that can be installed on meego? Something like packages.ubuntu.com, but for meego. | 18:43 |
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Aard | #win goto search | 19:19 |
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dino4k | Hi, we're trying meego on an eeePc 901. We booted from sd card, everything seems fine but the touchpad doesn't work. Any ideas how to debug? | 19:23 |
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lbt | DawnFoster: pingy... how do I get a meego-* chan on irc? :) | 22:30 |
CosmoHill | hey lbt | 22:30 |
DawnFoster | lbt I'm trying to avoid too much fragmentation with too many IRC channels, lists, etc. | 22:31 |
DawnFoster | lbt: what do you need to talk about that you can't talk about here? | 22:31 |
lbt | DawnFoster: it's for our team - cf meego-arm | 22:31 |
DawnFoster | didn't the meego arm team already create one | 22:31 |
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CosmoHill | if the channels fragment to much DawnFoster's head will explode | 22:32 |
CosmoHill | and I'm not cleaning that up again | 22:32 |
DawnFoster | cosmohill: exactly! :) | 22:32 |
lbt | we want to work in the open but this is a social channel | 22:32 |
lbt | we can stay in our private chat room on jabber... | 22:32 |
DawnFoster | theoretically, this is a work channel | 22:33 |
lbt | #meego-infra | 22:33 |
DawnFoster | why can't you use #meego-arm? | 22:33 |
lbt | practically it's not | 22:33 |
CosmoHill | #meego-singles | 22:33 |
lbt | because we're not an arm team | 22:33 |
lbt | we're an infra team | 22:33 |
CosmoHill | very creepy chanane, avoid it if you can | 22:33 |
Myrtti | it's not like this channel is teaming with action | 22:34 |
DawnFoster | I'd like to see you try to use this channel | 22:34 |
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DawnFoster | we can split it out later, but this channel doesn't have that much activity & I'd like to get more work stuff in this channel, too | 22:34 |
lbt | mmm we discussed it and don't want to. it's distracting when we have work to do | 22:34 |
DawnFoster | I think it's been mostly social because there hasn't been as much work | 22:35 |
lbt | this is our pay-job | 22:35 |
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DawnFoster | as is the case for many of us | 22:35 |
lcuk | DawnFoster, even workplaces have watercoolers. #meego acts as that and enough folks here can direct people to appropriate siderooms | 22:35 |
lbt | :) | 22:35 |
lbt | sadly *our* pay job doesn't involve herding the masses | 22:36 |
DawnFoster | the problem with splitting every subgroup out into a separate channel is that the work gets too fragmented | 22:36 |
Myrtti | lcuk: #ubuntu is strictly for support and #ubuntu-offtopic is the watercooler | 22:36 |
CosmoHill | you have paid jobs?! | 22:36 |
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DawnFoster | lbt: we have lots of people in this channel who are working on meego as part of their pay jobs (not counting me) | 22:37 |
lbt | sure... I see zero *work* going on here | 22:37 |
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lbt | cf #meego-aem | 22:37 |
lbt | arm | 22:37 |
w00t_ | fwiw, taking today as an example, I see pretty much no off-topic chat until now | 22:37 |
lbt | sorry, development work | 22:37 |
lpotter_ | DawnFoster: I would agree with you about keeping convo's here. I ready have too many channels I need to watch | 22:37 |
DawnFoster | lbt: so, let's talk about the root cause | 22:37 |
w00t_ | I see discussions about meego middleware, booting it on a few devices, ... | 22:38 |
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DawnFoster | too many side conversations / social activity? | 22:38 |
lbt | look guys... this is our team :) We want a reasonably quiet area to focus on work... There's "working in the open" and there's "performance arts".... | 22:38 |
lbt | we are not in the latter group | 22:38 |
DawnFoster | I want to have as few channels as possible where people can get their work done while still keeping track and collaborating across teams | 22:38 |
lbt | fair enough... | 22:39 |
DawnFoster | if we need to break the work from the social, let's talk about that | 22:39 |
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DawnFoster | the answer is not to create a new channel for every subteam | 22:39 |
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lpotter_ | how about #meego-dev ? | 22:39 |
lbt | lpotter_: you beat me to it | 22:39 |
DawnFoster | you can see how that would spiral out of control and make it impossible to get work done. | 22:39 |
lcuk | already there | 22:39 |
lcuk | as well as meego-devel | 22:39 |
lbt | (I was shifting my cat) | 22:39 |
DawnFoster | neither of those are official channels | 22:40 |
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lbt | *nod* hence I (at least) was asking :) | 22:40 |
DawnFoster | I wonder if we need to go to #meego-offtopic and leave this channel for work | 22:40 |
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lbt | that ship has sailed | 22:40 |
DawnFoster | not all work fits under -dev or -devel - I think those names are misleading | 22:40 |
lpotter_ | sounds reaonable | 22:41 |
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* lbt thinks we'll just spend more time directing people to meego-offtopic | 22:42 | |
lcuk | we would - and to counter Myrtti's point about ubuntu | 22:42 |
lcuk | try doing actual work in #ubuntu | 22:42 |
lbt | I'll go with a #meego-be-quiet-unless-youre-working | 22:42 |
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w00t_ | lcuk: #ubuntu is a lot bigger | 22:42 |
lbt | and try that for a while | 22:42 |
DawnFoster | lbt: you lose points for brevity on that one :) | 22:43 |
lcuk | w00t_, you doubt #meego will grow that much? | 22:43 |
DawnFoster | we could try something like #meego-work | 22:43 |
lbt | OK | 22:43 |
w00t_ | lcuk: I don't doubt it will grow, but it isn't that big *now* | 22:43 |
w00t_ | the point is that it's a lot easier to split things out when required, but a lot harder to consolidate them if they grow unnecessarily | 22:43 |
DawnFoster | Let's spend a couple of days thinking about it before we create it | 22:44 |
lbt | I'm happy to chase our team into #meego-work for now... we'll see how it goes and what happens if others join us | 22:44 |
w00t_ | (critical mass, etc) | 22:44 |
DawnFoster | lbt: let's not start more unofficial channels | 22:44 |
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lbt | DawnFoster: sure.. | 22:45 |
lbt | so... where do we go tomorrow morning? | 22:45 |
DawnFoster | Since half of the community is asleep right now, I'd like to get a few more opinions :) | 22:45 |
lbt | (it's like the first day in a new job) | 22:45 |
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Aard | lbt: (reading backlog) does that arm thingy mean you're doing n900 images as well? | 22:46 |
lcuk | lbt your desk is in the entrance hall :P | 22:46 |
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lbt | Aard: we're not arm... but yes | 22:46 |
lbt | we're writing things like the image generator web service | 22:46 |
lpotter | Aard: its been stated that n900 is a reference platform for nokia | 22:46 |
lbt | and process automation | 22:46 |
Aard | lpotter: I'm with nokia | 22:47 |
* w00t_ has a bit of a laugh | 22:47 | |
lbt | Aard: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-infrastructure-tools | 22:47 |
w00t_ | lpotter: isn't it like super early there btw? | 22:47 |
lpotter | I wouldnt say 6 am is super early | 22:48 |
* lbt would | 22:48 | |
lpotter | some might though | 22:48 |
Aard | lbt: just trying to collect people who do have experience with n900 image building. got a spare one on my desk for toying around, though doing mainly work on x86 stuff | 22:48 |
w00t_ | lpotter: ah - that is a bit more reasonable, I thought it was like 4.. but yes, for me, 6 is still way too early :) | 22:49 |
w00t_ | (or too late, actually) | 22:49 |
lbt | Aard: OK - we're not it :) when you have something to the level you want to automate it... talk to us :) | 22:49 |
lpotter | Aard: me too. qt-mobility | 22:50 |
Aard | lbt: haha, good one. I've build an n900 image with handset-ux today, but did not have the time to actually try if it works. the ones who actually will want this automated are most likely not me, though | 22:50 |
DawnFoster | lbt: ping me again tomorrow & we'll talk about the IRC channels again | 22:50 |
lbt | DawnFoster: OK, will do. | 22:51 |
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lcuk | gnite lbt \o | 22:51 |
DawnFoster | later lbt | 22:51 |
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Aard | lpotter: oh, qt-mobility. messed around with contacts earlier, qmake project files are in an "interesting" state there ;) | 22:52 |
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lcuk | DawnFoster, are you watching the worldcup? | 22:56 |
DawnFoster | lcuk: nope. I avoid watching sports of any kind (I watch very little TV anyway) | 22:57 |
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Myrtti | I was lucky, I got away from UK on the second day of the worldcup, on the morning of England game | 22:58 |
DawnFoster | they actually put parental control locks on the TVs in the lobby because the people watching were too disruptive :) | 22:58 |
DawnFoster | but they set up huge viewing areas on big TVs in the cafeterias | 22:59 |
w00t_ | what is this "world cup" everyone speaks of | 22:59 |
lcuk | its meant to be some collection of vuvuzela concerts | 23:00 |
lcuk | but people keep playing football and ruining the orchestra | 23:00 |
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