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thiago_home | or they slept in the meeting | 00:01 |
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thiago_home | happened to some people today during the workshop I was in | 00:01 |
lcuk | thiago_home, you need an air horn | 00:02 |
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lcuk | blown just regularly enough to wake them back up | 00:02 |
lcuk | or find a way to make workshops engaging :P | 00:02 |
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Stskeeps | morn dirkhh | 07:59 |
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dirkhh | moin | 08:01 |
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Trollkar1en | morn | 08:30 |
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Stskeeps | REMINDER: N900 hardware adaptation team meeting in 30 minutes in #meego-meeting, anyone's free to join and participate. Agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Meetings#Next_meeting | 08:31 |
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Stskeeps | REMINDER: N900 hardware adaptation team meeting in 5 minutes in #meego-meeting, anyone's free to join and participate. Agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Meetings#Next_meeting | 08:55 |
thiago_home | morn | 08:56 |
Stskeeps | morn thiago | 08:56 |
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MmadA | dl9pf: I have image generated from git, it looks fine now. :) | 09:34 |
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shazkhan | the sdk and xephyr are still buggy? | 09:35 |
shazkhan | by the way I need to know how we can get a custom kernel into this chroot sdk | 09:35 |
shazkhan | any ideas? | 09:35 |
thiago_home | kernel into chroot? | 09:36 |
shazkhan | the git stuff has only some files and patches and a defconfig for a few devices | 09:36 |
shazkhan | I want to build my custom kernel ... not sure how to explain? | 09:36 |
shazkhan | Mostly I use toolchains | 09:37 |
thiago_home | why do you need a chroot to build a kernel? | 09:37 |
thiago_home | use any toolchain that can compile your kernel | 09:37 |
shazkhan | and then copy it into the sdk? | 09:37 |
thiago_home | you don't need a kernel in an SDK | 09:37 |
thiago_home | copy it to the device and make it boot that kernel | 09:37 |
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shazkhan | I want to boot the meego platform with my custom built kernel | 09:38 |
shazkhan | on the emulator/xephyr | 09:38 |
thiago_home | xephyr doesn't boot a kernel | 09:38 |
shazkhan | huh ...? | 09:39 |
thiago_home | xephyr doesn't boot a kernel | 09:39 |
thiago_home | it's running the apps on your own computer | 09:40 |
shazkhan | qemu then? | 09:40 |
thiago_home | that would use a kernel | 09:40 |
thiago_home | copy it to the image that qemu boots to | 09:40 |
shazkhan | I have an n800 as well but at home ... have to hide it from my wife ;p | 09:40 |
zhx | when I ifup wlan0 on meego on N900, dmesg with something like: deauthenticating by local choice (reason=3) | 09:40 |
shazkhan | thiago_home: So the rootfs will be the sdk stuff copied to an image? | 09:41 |
shazkhan | or are there images available to download | 09:42 |
thiago_home | shazkhan: there are images available for download | 09:42 |
shazkhan | for qemu ... versatilepb | 09:42 |
shazkhan | or generic | 09:42 |
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shazkhan | generic arm | 09:43 |
shazkhan | or use over x86 .... | 09:43 |
shazkhan | emulation | 09:43 |
shazkhan | thiago_home: How can we make our own custom image for any architecture? Any support for openEmbedded? | 09:44 |
shazkhan | mean rootfs | 09:45 |
thiago_home | openembedded is completely unrelated | 09:45 |
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shazkhan | so how can I make my own custom rootfs | 09:45 |
thiago_home | try mic | 09:45 |
shazkhan | whats that? | 09:46 |
thiago_home | a tool | 09:46 |
shazkhan | Let me google it | 09:46 |
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shazkhan | I am not very happy with how these maemo moblin tools work ... are'nt there any other alternatives? | 09:47 |
thiago_home | yes, you can write your own | 09:48 |
shazkhan | lol | 09:48 |
thiago_home | if you don't like it, do better | 09:48 |
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shazkhan | A better alternative could be to use a default image and customize it by altering it on a loop device | 09:49 |
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shazkhan | how about openembedded and bitbake? | 09:49 |
thiago_home | they are unrelated and unsupported | 09:49 |
thiago_home | but if they work for you, it's your choice to use them | 09:49 |
shazkhan | can we do better by supporting it | 09:49 |
thiago_home | I can't say, because I don't know much about them | 09:50 |
shazkhan | I can explain ... | 09:50 |
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thiago_home | and I can't understand | 09:51 |
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shazkhan | http://www.openembedded.org/ and http://bitbake.berlios.de/ | 09:51 |
thiago_home | won't open the link | 09:51 |
zhx | Anyone use wifi on N900 with Meego? | 09:51 |
shazkhan | thiago_home: I can help if you let me have a remote connection or desktop session | 09:52 |
Stskeeps | zhx: jump in #meego-arm after our meeting | 09:52 |
thiago_home | shazkhan: I don't need help | 09:52 |
shazkhan | thiago_home: I need help | 09:53 |
zhx | thanks | 09:53 |
thiago_home | shazkhan: and I don't know how to help you | 09:53 |
thiago_home | I'm giving you generic advice because that's what I can do | 09:53 |
thiago_home | I've told you of the tools that exist | 09:53 |
shazkhan | Ok I am having tea then I will consider this matter if you want me to | 09:53 |
thiago_home | if you can't make them work, ask specific questions about the problems you had | 09:54 |
thiago_home | if you don't like them, then make them better | 09:54 |
thiago_home | also try posting to the mailing lists | 09:54 |
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shazkhan | thanks thiago_home ... sorry for the inconvenience and some fun | 09:55 |
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Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:19 |
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Termana | Good morning Jaffa | 10:21 |
slaine | morning all | 10:21 |
slaine | \ | 10:21 |
Termana | Good morning slaine | 10:21 |
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pekoski | hello | 11:07 |
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Tina- | why is there no irc client on meego installed? | 11:28 |
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Tina- | anyway to install irssi? | 11:30 |
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Tina- | why is there no ext4 support? | 11:31 |
Tina- | can i find / get the kernel .config file so i can build ext4 support ? | 11:32 |
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linuxplatform | Tina: you can use Empathy for IRC | 11:43 |
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Tina- | and what about ext4 missing | 11:51 |
Tina- | i would like to access my data | 11:52 |
Stskeeps | weird it's missing, sure it's not just a module? | 11:52 |
Tina- | :| i'm using ext4 quite long as default fs on all my drives | 11:54 |
Tina- | so i miss it quite hard atm | 11:54 |
Tina- | is it hard to setup a working toolchain on meego , like i would lik eto | 11:55 |
Tina- | compile xbmc | 11:55 |
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thiago | compiling for ARM or for x86? or both? | 11:57 |
Tina- | x86 | 11:57 |
thiago | any gcc with the appropriate compiler options should do | 11:57 |
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Tina- | is it possible to rebuilt the shell + menu ontop of an other os (gentoo) | 12:04 |
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thiago | they're just linux apps, so yes | 12:04 |
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Tina- | so where i find those source code? | 12:05 |
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sivang | morning | 12:23 |
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sivang | I seem to fail to understand what Core Test Suite it. (in meego context) Are there any quality people around to explain? | 12:24 |
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sivang | The wiki pages do not do a good work explaining it. | 12:24 |
sivang | and it's positioning. | 12:24 |
sivang | thiago: hey dude, maybe you can help me understand ? | 12:25 |
thiago | sivang: no, I don't think I can | 12:25 |
thiago | I have never heard of Core Test Suite | 12:25 |
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megabast | hi all | 12:43 |
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megabast | do you know how Meego configure metacity to avoid to display applications une the menu bar? | 12:44 |
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slaine | hey megabast | 12:44 |
slaine | not sure I follow the question | 12:45 |
megabast | hello slaine :) | 12:45 |
megabast | I ll try to explain | 12:45 |
megabast | when you maximize a application like mozilla or your terminal, the top of your application will not be at top of the screen but just under the panel bar | 12:46 |
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megabast | so, a part of the application won't be hide by the panel bar | 12:46 |
Tumi_ | sivang: where you see Core Test Suite? | 12:47 |
megabast | do you know what I mean | 12:47 |
sivang | Tumi_: so far, on the wiki and the -dev/-community threads. | 12:47 |
slaine | megabast: how are you maximizing your window when there's no window manager decoration to do that ? | 12:47 |
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Tumi_ | oh been too busy to read my meego-mail :/ | 12:48 |
Tumi_ | I'll check that one | 12:48 |
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sivang | Tumi_: sure. | 12:49 |
sivang | Tumi_: I'm trying to fetch the exact wiki page, hold on | 12:49 |
Tumi_ | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Core_Test_Suites_Development_Guidelines | 12:49 |
Tumi_ | did you check that? | 12:49 |
megabast | in moblin you could maximize, the maximize button was just hide bt moblin theme | 12:49 |
megabast | hold on I ll try on meego | 12:49 |
slaine | megabast: also, there's a difference between maximimized and fullscreen | 12:49 |
slaine | fullscreen will hide the meego panel | 12:50 |
slaine | maximized should just use available screen real-estate. | 12:50 |
megabast | humm I see | 12:50 |
sivang | Tumi_: yes, so still, what does CTS really mean? is that like a core set of tests *every* app has to pass before it's accepted into the repository? | 12:50 |
sivang | Tumi_: we have to explain the term. | 12:51 |
slaine | mutter-moblin decides how windows are shown in this instance, it hooks into the mutter window manger commands and has callbacks for maximized, minimized etc. | 12:51 |
megabast | ok I see | 12:51 |
megabast | but I suppose it's possible that there is a task bar with a specified size? | 12:52 |
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megabast | so when you will full screen the meego panel won't be hide | 12:52 |
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megabast | like you would have a taskbar on your gnome desktop | 12:53 |
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slaine | megabast: if I recall correctly, the panel will stay onscreen for certain types of large screen sizes. I know it doesn't autohide on my 1280x800 unit here. | 12:55 |
slaine | I didn't try to maximize any windows though | 12:56 |
Tumi_ | sivang: not sure what this really mean. I work for core system testing and that's another story | 12:56 |
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Tumi_ | but we have similar things | 12:56 |
megabast | ok | 12:57 |
sivang | Tumi_: what is core system? :) | 12:58 |
balor | How can I tell meego that it's default user (on startup) should be Foo, not Bar? | 12:58 |
sivang | Tumi_: what is included under its umbrella ? | 12:58 |
slaine | hey balor | 12:58 |
balor | slaine: How's tricks? | 12:59 |
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slaine | iirc, you need to change the /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch::user=Bar to user=Foo | 13:00 |
slaine | balor: not bad, busy as hell, which is good me thinks | 13:00 |
Tumi_ | sivang: for us it means the software platform under the UX layer | 13:01 |
Tumi_ | meanin no UI testing | 13:01 |
Tumi_ | like it seems to be the same in there http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Core_Test_Suites_Packaging_draft | 13:02 |
Tumi_ | all of that belong to functionality under the UI | 13:02 |
sivang | Tumi_: ah okay, noted. So CTS is the community/open source equivalent for that? I don't want to send another mail to the list since everybody seem to know what it really means, I don't want to turn out stupid :) | 13:03 |
sivang | Tumi_: But I would like to know the exact scope of CTS and what it entails or mandates. | 13:03 |
Tumi_ | the tests.xml they are talking about in the mails is the format for specifying what cases a particular test package has and how to execute those, and there is a tool that can run tests automatically provided this xml | 13:03 |
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Tumi_ | sivang: looks like that. actually our work should become opensource (hopefully soon) | 13:04 |
Tumi_ | this might be something that managers have agreed and we will do in the future =) | 13:05 |
Tumi_ | that's why I am also interested to know what this all is | 13:05 |
Tumi_ | sivang: I really am not sure about the CTS scope, just guessing =) | 13:06 |
zaheerm | megabast, meego doesn't use metacity, it uses mutter | 13:07 |
sivang | Tumi_: okay, let's hope some clarifications will come out soon +) | 13:08 |
megabast | zaheerm: mutter = metacity + clutter no? | 13:08 |
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sivang | Tumi_: If not I will ask on the ML in a couple of days, | 13:08 |
zaheerm | megabast, it is a fork of metacity | 13:09 |
megabast | ok | 13:09 |
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Tumi_ | sivang: obviously you have already been active in email discussions about the xml =) | 13:10 |
Tumi_ | sivang: could you keep me updated if/when you find out? I'd appreciate a lot | 13:11 |
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sivang | Tumi_: sure thing, just mail me to my priv addres as a reminder :) | 13:21 |
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FunkyPenguin | if i keep getting "illegal instruction" when i try to run something could that be down to an ssse3 compilation issue? | 13:27 |
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thiago | FunkyPenguin: what is the instruction that fails? | 13:28 |
FunkyPenguin | well thats the fun part ;) | 13:29 |
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FunkyPenguin | i cant get evolution, zypper, yum, banshee and a few more apps | 13:29 |
FunkyPenguin | all i get is "Illegal Instruction (core dump) | 13:30 |
thiago | from yum? | 13:30 |
FunkyPenguin | reason i ask if it is ssse3 related is because im running on an eeepc701 so celeron based | 13:30 |
thiago | yes, it could be | 13:30 |
thiago | but what is the instruction that fails? | 13:30 |
FunkyPenguin | it doesnt say | 13:31 |
thiago | gdb doesn't say? | 13:31 |
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FunkyPenguin | ah looks like libsqlite3.so.0 gave a SIGILL | 13:33 |
thiago | right, but what is the instruction? | 13:33 |
thiago | x/i $pc | 13:33 |
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FunkyPenguin | is "0x02b72985 in ?? ()" what you mean? | 13:35 |
FunkyPenguin | thiago, sorry, you've lost me somewhat - i ran 'gdb evolution' then 'start', then that's what i got | 13:35 |
thiago | now type: x/i $pc | 13:36 |
FunkyPenguin | ah ok - 0x2b72985: fisttpll (%esi) | 13:37 |
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thiago | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE3 - FISTTP is a new instruction | 13:37 |
MmadA | Where i can find *.ks file for genereting image for ARM? | 13:39 |
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FunkyPenguin | thiago, ok thanks for the confirmation - i'll get back to trying to package the UX then :) | 13:41 |
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dl9pf | MmadA: good ! you need a .ks for ARM ? look in the download folders for n900 or in the wiki for beagleboard | 14:29 |
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MmadA | dl9pf: Hi! It works because I did mistake and I generated image for intel. ;) | 14:55 |
MmadA | dl9pf: I got some image, but without development tools (rpmbuild and so one). | 14:56 |
dl9pf | you can install on the target then | 14:57 |
MmadA | I'm trying to install using yum but repo (http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/arm/os/repodata/) is not available (404). | 14:57 |
dl9pf | or do you meen chroot | 14:57 |
dl9pf | url's changed, you need to adapt | 14:57 |
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MmadA | dl9pf: Yes, I'm trying to do it but dont see it anywhere... | 15:00 |
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MmadA | And also here http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_Meego_Environment links to *ks files are dead. | 15:02 |
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MmadA | Wrong, not links but links to repo in this ks files. | 15:03 |
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Tina- | i tried to rebuild the kernel no luk so far , get some make error /bin/sh cmd not found | 15:05 |
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Tina- | any kernel how to? i need anything else then make? | 15:06 |
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FunkyPenguin | dl9pf, do you want to do build for a geeko based build on obs? | 15:22 |
FunkyPenguin | there is a top level name space for MeeGo and im doing the netbook builds now | 15:22 |
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TigerTael | calendar.exe exited with code -1073741511 <-= why do I always get this with the Qt simulator? | 15:23 |
Tina- | what is the bootloader used ? | 15:24 |
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Tumi_ | should there be aac gstreamer codec on the MeeGo image? | 15:29 |
Stskeeps | slaine: check out http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Release_Creation | 15:29 |
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MmadA | Maybe some one know what is correct repo (in place of http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/arm/os/)? I really can't find it... | 15:31 |
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slaine | Stskeeps: cheers, that's exactly what I was looking for | 15:39 |
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Tina- | anyone build a costum kernel for meego? | 15:40 |
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Tina- | how to load it aka what boot loader i need to edit? | 15:40 |
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CosmoHill | iirc meego uses syslinux | 15:42 |
CosmoHill | you'd need to find the configuration file for it and replace the kernel to load | 15:42 |
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Tina- | ty i'll have a look at syslinux, would it be posible to add meego to grub ? | 15:45 |
CosmoHill | i'm sure it can bedone | 15:46 |
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andybleaden | Hi All. Any of you successfully managed to get a screen capture video programme working in moblin or meego | 16:35 |
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dneary | DawnFoster, I had a question in relation to discussions last night at the TSG meeting - hope you might be able to answer it. Are you there? | 17:14 |
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shazkhan | asac: what is common in MeeGo and Linaro? | 20:57 |
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Stskeeps | i'm going to have to grab my old cryptography book to recall some of the terms in the security thread :) | 21:45 |
shazkhan | :) | 21:46 |
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shazkhan | don't tell them Stskeeps ... my crypto sucks as well! | 21:47 |
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DawnFoster | too bad we aren't paying attention :) | 21:57 |
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shazkhan | DawnFoster: :( | 22:08 |
shazkhan | where is your attention ... this place is so quite ;) | 22:08 |
DawnFoster | it's always quiet this time of the day. | 22:08 |
DawnFoster | I use this time to work on other things (metrics, etc.) | 22:09 |
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Stskeeps | how are they coming along? looking forward to seeing them :) | 22:10 |
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DawnFoster | slowly :( I've been swamped with netbook stuff and haven't had time to finish them, | 22:10 |
DawnFoster | everything is way up so far, though :) | 22:10 |
Stskeeps | yeah, that's my personal perception of things too | 22:11 |
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ceolin | hi guys I'm trying to install a rpm, but iI always receive this message: "The reuqest failed. More details are available in the detailed report." | 22:17 |
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ceolin | whats the problem ? | 22:17 |
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shazkhan | good night | 22:18 |
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Stskeeps | there's really an impressive lot of open meego positions | 22:42 |
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ceolin | someone is having the same problem to install rpm packages through the ui ? | 22:44 |
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DawnFoster | ceolin: which rpm packages have you tried? | 22:48 |
DawnFoster | I had good luck installing several. | 22:48 |
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DawnFoster | Maybe try something we know to work - like Abobe Air / Firefox? | 22:49 |
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ceolin | DawnFoster: simple packages (to test) from rpm source code | 22:49 |
DawnFoster | also, what system are you using? (processor, graphics card, etc. | 22:49 |
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ceolin | DawnFoster: a standard netbook, Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz | 22:50 |
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ceolin | DawnFoster: graphics Intel ... | 22:51 |
pupnik | meego works on gma4500 gpu? wikinis missing a positive-list | 22:51 |
n9udl | is there a way to save settings on the live USB version? | 22:51 |
n9udl | looks sweet... | 22:51 |
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DawnFoster | ceolin: can you try installing the firefox rpm to see of you get the same error? | 22:53 |
DawnFoster | just trying to narrow it down a little | 22:53 |
ceolin | DawnFoster: I tried to install using gpk_install_local_file, but I have no sucess | 22:53 |
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ceolin | DawnFoster: I'll, but just to be clear, using rpm (command line) works well | 22:54 |
DawnFoster | ah | 22:54 |
ceolin | DawnFoster: but I need use something graphic | 22:55 |
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CosmoHill | hey DawnFoster | 22:56 |
DawnFoster | hey CosmoHill | 22:58 |
CosmoHill | can I pm you for a second? | 22:58 |
DawnFoster | sure | 22:58 |
DawnFoster | ceolin: that might be a better question for the forum - I also assume you already searched there for your answer? | 22:58 |
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ceolin | DawnFoster: yep | 23:00 |
DawnFoster | the forum would give you some more space to post details & I'll try to make sure someone answers it :) | 23:01 |
ceolin | DawnFoster: thank you :) | 23:02 |
Stskeeps | DawnFoster: is there a plan for a sort of support organisation or is the hope to have community-run support organisation? | 23:02 |
DawnFoster | sorry I wasn't more help :) I installed a bunch of RPMs over the weekend with a mix of command line / gui and never ran into issues, so I'm not much help | 23:02 |
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Stskeeps | .. actually, my question doesn't make sense as meego -is- community ;) | 23:03 |
DawnFoster | stskeeps: the idea is that companies who productize it will need to support their products. | 23:03 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 23:03 |
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DawnFoster | and like you said, the community will support the community releases :) | 23:03 |
Stskeeps | to some extent, the netbook images are being 'used' as they're productized though | 23:03 |
ceolin | DawnFoster: no problem | 23:04 |
DawnFoster | Stskeeps: true - I think that when products are out in the market that people can buy, it might get easier | 23:04 |
Stskeeps | yeah | 23:04 |
DawnFoster | but yeah, people are treating it like a product that should run on anything | 23:04 |
Stskeeps | linpus's variants look like something i might even consider for a netbook | 23:04 |
DawnFoster | in reality it's more of a reference platform for companies to build on top of | 23:04 |
DawnFoster | or developers to build on | 23:05 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 23:05 |
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TSCHAKeee2 | BUT WHYYY WON'T MEEGO RUN ON MY 4 YEAR OLD LAPTOP?! IT'S LINUX! | 23:06 |
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* TSCHAKeee2 runs!!! | 23:06 | |
TSCHAKeee2 | ;) | 23:06 |
Stskeeps | sometimes it feels strictly like a reference platform but in some marketing aspects it sounds more like a product | 23:06 |
Stskeeps | no doubt it's interesting still though | 23:06 |
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CosmoHill | pst, TSCHAKeee2, try init 3 | 23:07 |
TSCHAKeee2 | hahaha | 23:07 |
DawnFoster | well, we don't have much control over those marketing types | 23:08 |
TSCHAKeee2 | yeah.... | 23:08 |
TSCHAKeee2 | that seems a universal constant, everywhere... | 23:08 |
DawnFoster | they can make a demo sound like a finished product, too :) | 23:08 |
Stskeeps | but i guess the hype helps to generate contributors | 23:08 |
* thiago_home thinks it's easier to control marketing types than developer types | 23:08 | |
DawnFoster | On the other hand, we've been getting a ton of testing and finding all kinds of new bugs | 23:09 |
TSCHAKeee2 | i'm curious as to the sheer amount of volume the automatic bug report stuff generates | 23:09 |
DawnFoster | *thinks it's easier to understand the developer types than the marketing types* :) | 23:09 |
DawnFoster | TSCHAKeee2 the crash reporter? | 23:09 |
TSCHAKeee2 | yes | 23:09 |
TSCHAKeee2 | until i turned off bluetooth, the system was spewing kernel oops'es quite regularly to the crash reporter | 23:10 |
TSCHAKeee2 | not to mention the regular crashes of the web tab | 23:10 |
TSCHAKeee2 | which i've stopped using for now | 23:11 |
DawnFoster | yeah, it's pretty interesting - and I like the little guy that's seeing stars: http://crashdb.meego.com/ | 23:11 |
TSCHAKeee2 | heheh I can imagine the reproducing steps | 23:11 |
Stskeeps | one thing i noticed is that noone speaks of for example HTC Android, they call it android, while the pattern is SuSE MeeGo, Nokia MeeGo, etc | 23:12 |
TSCHAKeee2 | step 1: smash mallet into forehead | 23:12 |
TSCHAKeee2 | step 2: lick a bunch of microdots | 23:12 |
TSCHAKeee2 | step 3: use meego | 23:12 |
CosmoHill | TSCHAKeee2: you know you're in trouble when the error reporting system crashes | 23:12 |
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TSCHAKeee2 | those are some wonderful stats | 23:13 |
TSCHAKeee2 | disturbing | 23:13 |
TSCHAKeee2 | but wonderful | 23:13 |
Stskeeps | ah, i think i have a new avatar for talk.maemo.org | 23:14 |
TSCHAKeee2 | oh yeah, and telepathy-butterfly is a bad boy too | 23:14 |
DawnFoster | TSCHAKeee2 - definitely gives an idea of where we should be spending time on bug fixes :) | 23:14 |
TSCHAKeee2 | indeed | 23:14 |
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DawnFoster | OK, I'm out of here for a while - I'm getting ready to run a 5k at work :) | 23:23 |
CosmoHill | cool | 23:24 |
DawnFoster | if I don't come back in a couple hours assume I'm dead :) | 23:24 |
thiago_home | is the office that big? :-) | 23:24 |
Stskeeps | good luck! | 23:24 |
DawnFoster | or that I tripped and hurt myself :) | 23:24 |
DawnFoster | thanks! | 23:24 |
CosmoHill | thiago_home: big campus? | 23:24 |
thiago_home | the Qt team had a "Train once. Run everywhere" T-shirt | 23:24 |
DawnFoster | thiago_home: almost! a 5k is 2 laps around the sidewalk around the campus | 23:24 |
DawnFoster | so yes, it's that big :) | 23:24 |
CosmoHill | at one point they screwed up the printers at uni | 23:24 |
CosmoHill | so I could print from the lab to a printer 50 miles away | 23:25 |
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DawnFoster | the route (just double it) http://rnkpr.com/a6d4mr | 23:25 |
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