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thiago_homeor they slept in the meeting00:01
thiago_homehappened to some people today during the workshop I was in00:01
lcukthiago_home, you need an air horn00:02
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lcukblown just regularly enough to wake them back up00:02
lcukor find a way to make workshops engaging :P00:02
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Stskeepsmorn dirkhh07:59
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StskeepsREMINDER: N900 hardware adaptation team meeting in 30 minutes in #meego-meeting, anyone's free to join and participate. Agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Meetings#Next_meeting08:31
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StskeepsREMINDER: N900 hardware adaptation team meeting in 5 minutes in #meego-meeting, anyone's free to join and participate. Agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Meetings#Next_meeting08:55
thiago_homemorn08:56
Stskeepsmorn thiago08:56
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MmadAdl9pf: I have image generated from git, it looks fine now. :)09:34
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shazkhanthe sdk and xephyr are still buggy?09:35
shazkhanby the way I need to know how we can get a custom kernel into this chroot sdk09:35
shazkhanany ideas?09:35
thiago_homekernel into chroot?09:36
shazkhanthe git stuff has only some files and patches and a defconfig for a few devices09:36
shazkhanI want to build my custom kernel ... not sure how to explain?09:36
shazkhanMostly I use toolchains09:37
thiago_homewhy do you need a chroot to build a kernel?09:37
thiago_homeuse any toolchain that can compile your kernel09:37
shazkhanand then copy it into the sdk?09:37
thiago_homeyou don't need a kernel in an SDK09:37
thiago_homecopy it to the device and make it boot that kernel09:37
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shazkhanI want to boot the meego platform with my custom built kernel09:38
shazkhanon the emulator/xephyr09:38
thiago_homexephyr doesn't boot a kernel09:38
shazkhanhuh ...?09:39
thiago_homexephyr doesn't boot a kernel09:39
thiago_homeit's running the apps on your own computer09:40
shazkhanqemu then?09:40
thiago_homethat would use a kernel09:40
thiago_homecopy it to the image that qemu boots to09:40
shazkhanI have an n800 as well but at home ... have to hide it from my wife ;p09:40
zhxwhen I ifup wlan0 on meego on N900, dmesg with something like: deauthenticating by local choice (reason=3)09:40
shazkhanthiago_home: So the rootfs will be the sdk stuff copied to an image?09:41
shazkhanor are there images available to download09:42
thiago_homeshazkhan: there are images available for download09:42
shazkhanfor qemu ... versatilepb09:42
shazkhanor generic09:42
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shazkhangeneric arm09:43
shazkhanor use over x86 ....09:43
shazkhanemulation09:43
shazkhanthiago_home: How can we make our own custom image for any architecture? Any support for openEmbedded?09:44
shazkhanmean rootfs09:45
thiago_homeopenembedded is completely unrelated09:45
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shazkhanso how can I make my own custom rootfs09:45
thiago_hometry mic09:45
shazkhanwhats that?09:46
thiago_homea tool09:46
shazkhanLet me google it09:46
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shazkhanI am not very happy with how these maemo moblin tools work ... are'nt there any other alternatives?09:47
thiago_homeyes, you can write your own09:48
shazkhanlol09:48
thiago_homeif you don't like it, do better09:48
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shazkhanA better alternative could be to use a default image and customize it by altering it on a loop device09:49
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shazkhanhow about openembedded and bitbake?09:49
thiago_homethey are unrelated and unsupported09:49
thiago_homebut if they work for you, it's your choice to use them09:49
shazkhancan we do better by supporting it09:49
thiago_homeI can't say, because I don't know much about them09:50
shazkhanI can explain ...09:50
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thiago_homeand I can't understand09:51
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shazkhanhttp://www.openembedded.org/ and http://bitbake.berlios.de/09:51
thiago_homewon't open the link09:51
zhxAnyone use wifi on N900 with Meego?09:51
shazkhanthiago_home: I can help if you let me have a remote connection or desktop session09:52
Stskeepszhx: jump in #meego-arm after our meeting09:52
thiago_homeshazkhan: I don't need help09:52
shazkhanthiago_home: I need help09:53
zhxthanks09:53
thiago_homeshazkhan: and I don't know how to help you09:53
thiago_homeI'm giving you generic advice because that's what I can do09:53
thiago_homeI've told you of the tools that exist09:53
shazkhanOk I am having tea then I will consider this matter if you want me to09:53
thiago_homeif you can't make them work, ask specific questions about the problems you had09:54
thiago_homeif you don't like them, then make them better09:54
thiago_homealso try posting to the mailing lists09:54
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shazkhanthanks thiago_home ... sorry for the inconvenience and some fun09:55
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JaffaMorning, all10:19
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TermanaGood morning Jaffa10:21
slainemorning all10:21
slaine\10:21
TermanaGood morning slaine10:21
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pekoskihello11:07
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Tina-why is there no irc client on meego installed?11:28
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Tina-anyway to install irssi?11:30
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Tina-why is there no ext4 support?11:31
Tina-can i find / get the kernel .config file so i can build ext4 support ?11:32
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linuxplatformTina: you can use  Empathy for IRC11:43
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Tina-and what about ext4 missing11:51
Tina-i would like to access my data11:52
Stskeepsweird it's missing, sure it's not just a module?11:52
Tina-:| i'm using ext4 quite long as default fs on all my drives11:54
Tina-so i miss it quite hard atm11:54
Tina-is it hard to setup a working toolchain on meego , like i would lik eto11:55
Tina-compile xbmc11:55
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thiagocompiling for ARM or for x86? or both?11:57
Tina-x8611:57
thiagoany gcc with the appropriate compiler options should do11:57
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Tina-is it possible to rebuilt the shell + menu ontop of an other os (gentoo)12:04
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thiagothey're just linux apps, so yes12:04
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Tina-so where i find those source code?12:05
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sivangmorning12:23
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sivangI seem to fail to understand what Core Test Suite it. (in meego context) Are there any quality people around to explain?12:24
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sivangThe wiki pages do not do a good work explaining it.12:24
sivangand it's positioning.12:24
sivangthiago: hey dude, maybe you can help me understand ?12:25
thiagosivang: no, I don't think I can12:25
thiagoI have never heard of Core Test Suite12:25
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megabasthi all12:43
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megabastdo you know how Meego configure metacity to avoid to display applications une the menu bar?12:44
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slainehey megabast12:44
slainenot sure I follow the question12:45
megabasthello slaine :)12:45
megabastI ll try to explain12:45
megabastwhen you maximize a application like mozilla or your terminal, the top of your application will not be at top of the screen but just under the panel bar12:46
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megabastso, a part of the application won't be hide by the panel bar12:46
Tumi_sivang: where you see Core Test Suite?12:47
megabastdo you know what I mean12:47
sivangTumi_: so far, on the wiki and the -dev/-community threads.12:47
slainemegabast: how are you maximizing your window when there's no window manager decoration to do that ?12:47
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Tumi_oh been too busy to read my meego-mail :/12:48
Tumi_I'll check that one12:48
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sivangTumi_: sure.12:49
sivangTumi_: I'm trying to fetch the exact wiki page, hold on12:49
Tumi_http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Core_Test_Suites_Development_Guidelines12:49
Tumi_did you check that?12:49
megabastin moblin you could maximize, the maximize button was just hide bt moblin theme12:49
megabasthold on I ll try on meego12:49
slainemegabast: also, there's a difference between maximimized and fullscreen12:49
slainefullscreen will hide the meego panel12:50
slainemaximized should just use available screen real-estate.12:50
megabasthumm I see12:50
sivangTumi_: yes, so still, what does CTS really mean? is that like a core set of tests *every* app has to pass before it's accepted into the repository?12:50
sivangTumi_: we have to explain the term.12:51
slainemutter-moblin decides how windows are shown in this instance, it hooks into the mutter window manger commands and has callbacks for maximized, minimized etc.12:51
megabastok I see12:51
megabastbut I suppose it's possible that there is a task bar with a specified size?12:52
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megabastso when you will full screen the meego panel won't be hide12:52
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megabastlike you would have a taskbar on your gnome desktop12:53
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slainemegabast: if I recall correctly, the panel will stay onscreen for certain types of large screen sizes. I know it doesn't autohide on my 1280x800 unit here.12:55
slaineI didn't try to maximize any windows though12:56
Tumi_sivang: not sure what this really mean. I work for core system testing and that's another story12:56
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Tumi_but we have similar things12:56
megabastok12:57
sivangTumi_: what is core system? :)12:58
balorHow can I tell meego that it's default user (on startup) should be Foo, not Bar?12:58
sivangTumi_: what is included under its umbrella ?12:58
slainehey balor12:58
balorslaine: How's tricks?12:59
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slaineiirc, you need to change the /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch::user=Bar to user=Foo13:00
slainebalor: not bad, busy as hell, which is good me thinks13:00
Tumi_sivang: for us it means the software platform under the UX layer13:01
Tumi_meanin no UI testing13:01
Tumi_like it seems to be the same in there http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Core_Test_Suites_Packaging_draft13:02
Tumi_all of that belong to functionality under the UI13:02
sivangTumi_: ah okay, noted. So CTS is the community/open source equivalent for that? I don't want to send another mail to the list since everybody seem to know what it really means, I don't want to turn out stupid :)13:03
sivangTumi_: But I would like to know the exact scope of CTS and what it entails or mandates.13:03
Tumi_the tests.xml they are talking about in the mails is the format for specifying what cases a particular test package has and how to execute those, and there is a tool that can run tests automatically provided this xml13:03
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Tumi_sivang: looks like that. actually our work should become opensource (hopefully soon)13:04
Tumi_this might be something that managers have agreed and we will do in the future =)13:05
Tumi_that's why I am also interested to know what this all is13:05
Tumi_sivang: I really am not sure about the CTS scope, just guessing =)13:06
zaheermmegabast, meego doesn't use metacity, it uses mutter13:07
sivangTumi_: okay, let's hope some clarifications will come out soon +)13:08
megabastzaheerm: mutter = metacity + clutter no?13:08
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sivangTumi_: If not I will ask on the ML in a couple of days,13:08
zaheermmegabast, it is a fork of metacity13:09
megabastok13:09
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Tumi_sivang: obviously you have already been active in email discussions about the xml =)13:10
Tumi_sivang: could you keep me updated if/when you find out? I'd appreciate a lot13:11
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sivangTumi_: sure thing, just mail me to my priv addres as a reminder :)13:21
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FunkyPenguinif i keep getting "illegal instruction" when i try to run something could that be down to an ssse3 compilation issue?13:27
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thiagoFunkyPenguin: what is the instruction that fails?13:28
FunkyPenguinwell thats the fun part ;)13:29
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FunkyPenguini cant get evolution, zypper, yum, banshee and a few more apps13:29
FunkyPenguinall i get is "Illegal Instruction (core dump)13:30
thiagofrom yum?13:30
FunkyPenguinreason i ask if it is ssse3 related is because im running on an eeepc701 so celeron based13:30
thiagoyes, it could be13:30
thiagobut what is the instruction that fails?13:30
FunkyPenguinit doesnt say13:31
thiagogdb doesn't say?13:31
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FunkyPenguinah looks like libsqlite3.so.0 gave a SIGILL13:33
thiagoright, but what is the instruction?13:33
thiagox/i $pc13:33
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FunkyPenguinis "0x02b72985 in ?? ()" what you mean?13:35
FunkyPenguinthiago, sorry, you've lost me somewhat - i ran 'gdb evolution' then 'start', then that's what i got13:35
thiagonow type: x/i $pc13:36
FunkyPenguinah ok - 0x2b72985: fisttpll (%esi)13:37
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thiagohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE3 - FISTTP is a new instruction13:37
MmadAWhere i can find *.ks file for genereting image for ARM?13:39
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FunkyPenguinthiago, ok thanks for the confirmation - i'll get back to trying to package the UX then :)13:41
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dl9pfMmadA: good !  you need a .ks for ARM ? look in the download folders for n900 or in the wiki for beagleboard14:29
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MmadAdl9pf: Hi! It works because I did mistake and I generated image for intel. ;)14:55
MmadAdl9pf: I got some image, but without development tools (rpmbuild and so one).14:56
dl9pfyou can install on the target then14:57
MmadAI'm trying to install using yum but repo (http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/arm/os/repodata/) is not available (404).14:57
dl9pfor do you meen chroot14:57
dl9pfurl's changed, you need to adapt14:57
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MmadAdl9pf: Yes, I'm trying to do it but dont see it anywhere...15:00
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MmadAAnd also here http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_Meego_Environment links to *ks files are dead.15:02
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MmadAWrong, not links but links to repo in this ks files.15:03
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Tina-i tried to rebuild the kernel no luk so far , get some make error /bin/sh cmd not found15:05
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Tina-any kernel how to? i need anything else then make?15:06
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FunkyPenguindl9pf, do you want to do build for a geeko based build on obs?15:22
FunkyPenguinthere is a top level name space for MeeGo and im doing the netbook builds now15:22
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TigerTaelcalendar.exe exited with code -1073741511 <-= why do I always get this with the Qt simulator?15:23
Tina-what is the bootloader used ?15:24
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Tumi_should there be aac gstreamer codec on the MeeGo image?15:29
Stskeepsslaine: check out http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Release_Creation15:29
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MmadAMaybe some one know what is correct repo (in place of http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/arm/os/)? I really can't find it...15:31
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slaineStskeeps: cheers, that's exactly what I was looking for15:39
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Tina-anyone build a costum kernel for meego?15:40
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Tina-how to load it aka what boot loader i need to edit?15:40
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CosmoHilliirc meego uses syslinux15:42
CosmoHillyou'd need to find the configuration file for it and replace the kernel to load15:42
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Tina-ty i'll have a look at syslinux, would it be posible to add meego to grub ?15:45
CosmoHilli'm sure it can bedone15:46
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andybleadenHi All. Any of you successfully managed to get a screen capture video programme working in moblin or meego16:35
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dnearyDawnFoster, I had a question in relation to discussions last night at the TSG meeting - hope you might be able to answer it. Are you there?17:14
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shazkhanasac: what is common in MeeGo and Linaro?20:57
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Stskeepsi'm going to have to grab my old cryptography book to recall some of the terms in the security thread :)21:45
shazkhan:)21:46
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shazkhandon't tell them Stskeeps ... my crypto sucks as well!21:47
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DawnFostertoo bad we aren't paying attention :)21:57
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shazkhanDawnFoster: :(22:08
shazkhanwhere is your attention ... this place is so quite ;)22:08
DawnFosterit's always quiet this time of the day.22:08
DawnFosterI use this time to work on other things (metrics, etc.)22:09
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Stskeepshow are they coming along? looking forward to seeing them :)22:10
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DawnFosterslowly :( I've been swamped with netbook stuff and haven't had time to finish them,22:10
DawnFostereverything is way up so far, though :)22:10
Stskeepsyeah, that's my personal perception of things too22:11
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ceolinhi guys I'm trying to install a rpm, but iI always receive this message: "The reuqest failed. More details are available in the detailed report."22:17
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ceolinwhats the problem ?22:17
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shazkhangood night22:18
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Stskeepsthere's really an impressive lot of open meego positions22:42
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ceolinsomeone is having the same problem to install rpm packages through the ui ?22:44
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DawnFosterceolin: which rpm packages have you tried?22:48
DawnFosterI had good luck installing several.22:48
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DawnFosterMaybe try something we know to work - like Abobe Air / Firefox?22:49
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ceolinDawnFoster: simple packages (to test) from rpm source code22:49
DawnFosteralso, what system are you using? (processor, graphics card, etc.22:49
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ceolinDawnFoster: a standard netbook, Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270   @ 1.60GHz22:50
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ceolinDawnFoster: graphics Intel ...22:51
pupnikmeego works on gma4500 gpu?  wikinis missing a positive-list22:51
n9udlis there a way to save settings on the live USB version?22:51
n9udllooks sweet...22:51
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DawnFosterceolin: can you try installing the firefox rpm to see of you get the same error?22:53
DawnFosterjust trying to narrow it down a little22:53
ceolinDawnFoster: I tried to install using gpk_install_local_file, but I have no sucess22:53
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ceolinDawnFoster: I'll, but just to be clear, using rpm (command line) works well22:54
DawnFosterah22:54
ceolinDawnFoster: but I need use something graphic22:55
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CosmoHillhey DawnFoster22:56
DawnFosterhey CosmoHill22:58
CosmoHillcan I pm you for a second?22:58
DawnFostersure22:58
DawnFosterceolin: that might be a better question for the forum - I also assume you already searched there for your answer?22:58
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ceolinDawnFoster: yep23:00
DawnFosterthe forum would give you some more space to post details & I'll try to make sure someone answers it :)23:01
ceolinDawnFoster: thank you :)23:02
StskeepsDawnFoster: is there a plan for a sort of support organisation or is the hope to have community-run support organisation?23:02
DawnFostersorry I wasn't more help :) I installed a bunch of RPMs over the weekend with a mix of command line / gui and never ran into issues, so I'm not much help23:02
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Stskeeps.. actually, my question doesn't make sense as meego -is- community ;)23:03
DawnFosterstskeeps: the idea is that companies who productize it will need to support their products.23:03
Stskeeps:nod:23:03
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DawnFosterand like you said, the community will support the community releases :)23:03
Stskeepsto some extent, the netbook images are being 'used' as they're productized though23:03
ceolinDawnFoster: no problem23:04
DawnFosterStskeeps: true - I think that when products are out in the market that people can buy, it might get easier23:04
Stskeepsyeah23:04
DawnFosterbut yeah, people are treating it like a product that should run on anything23:04
Stskeepslinpus's variants look like something i might even consider for a netbook23:04
DawnFosterin reality it's more of a reference platform for companies to build on top of23:04
DawnFosteror developers to build on23:05
Stskeeps:nod:23:05
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TSCHAKeee2BUT WHYYY WON'T MEEGO RUN ON MY 4 YEAR OLD LAPTOP?! IT'S LINUX!23:06
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* TSCHAKeee2 runs!!!23:06
TSCHAKeee2;)23:06
Stskeepssometimes it feels strictly like a reference platform but in some marketing aspects it sounds more like a product23:06
Stskeepsno doubt it's interesting still though23:06
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CosmoHillpst, TSCHAKeee2, try init 323:07
TSCHAKeee2hahaha23:07
DawnFosterwell, we don't have much control over those marketing types23:08
TSCHAKeee2yeah....23:08
TSCHAKeee2that seems a universal constant, everywhere...23:08
DawnFosterthey can make a demo sound like a finished product, too :)23:08
Stskeepsbut i guess the hype helps to generate contributors23:08
* thiago_home thinks it's easier to control marketing types than developer types23:08
DawnFosterOn the other hand, we've been getting a ton of testing and finding all kinds of new bugs23:09
TSCHAKeee2i'm curious as to the sheer amount of volume the automatic bug report stuff generates23:09
DawnFoster*thinks it's easier to understand the developer types than the marketing types* :)23:09
DawnFosterTSCHAKeee2 the crash reporter?23:09
TSCHAKeee2yes23:09
TSCHAKeee2until i turned off bluetooth, the system was spewing kernel oops'es quite regularly to the crash reporter23:10
TSCHAKeee2not to mention the regular crashes of the web tab23:10
TSCHAKeee2which i've stopped using for now23:11
DawnFosteryeah, it's pretty interesting - and I like the little guy that's seeing stars: http://crashdb.meego.com/23:11
TSCHAKeee2heheh I can imagine the reproducing steps23:11
Stskeepsone thing i noticed is that noone speaks of for example HTC Android, they call it android, while the pattern is SuSE MeeGo, Nokia MeeGo, etc23:12
TSCHAKeee2step 1: smash mallet into forehead23:12
TSCHAKeee2step 2: lick a bunch of microdots23:12
TSCHAKeee2step 3: use meego23:12
CosmoHillTSCHAKeee2: you know you're in trouble when the error reporting system crashes23:12
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TSCHAKeee2those are some wonderful stats23:13
TSCHAKeee2disturbing23:13
TSCHAKeee2but wonderful23:13
Stskeepsah, i think i have a new avatar for talk.maemo.org23:14
TSCHAKeee2oh yeah, and telepathy-butterfly is a bad boy too23:14
DawnFosterTSCHAKeee2 - definitely gives an idea of where we should be spending time on bug fixes :)23:14
TSCHAKeee2indeed23:14
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DawnFosterOK, I'm out of here for a while - I'm getting ready to run a 5k at work :)23:23
CosmoHillcool23:24
DawnFosterif I don't come back in a couple hours assume I'm dead :)23:24
thiago_homeis the office that big? :-)23:24
Stskeepsgood luck!23:24
DawnFosteror that I tripped and hurt myself :)23:24
DawnFosterthanks!23:24
CosmoHillthiago_home: big campus?23:24
thiago_homethe Qt team had a "Train once. Run everywhere" T-shirt23:24
DawnFosterthiago_home: almost! a 5k is 2 laps around the sidewalk around the campus23:24
DawnFosterso yes, it's that big :)23:24
CosmoHillat one point they screwed up the printers at uni23:24
CosmoHillso I could print from the lab to a printer 50 miles away23:25
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DawnFosterthe route (just double it) http://rnkpr.com/a6d4mr23:25
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