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| CosmoHill | meegorocks: do you have volume buttons your your laptop? | 00:05 |
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| CosmoHill | hey DawnFoster | 00:07 |
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| meegorocks | CosmoHill: i'm using a mini pc | 00:13 |
| meegorocks | CosmoHill: i found out about sound settings :) | 00:13 |
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| CosmoHill | what does "IUillegal instruction (core dumped)" mean? | 00:19 |
| pupnik | you must report to the local police | 00:20 |
| CosmoHill | could it be caused by say SSSE3 being ran on a system without it | 00:20 |
| pupnik | es | 00:21 |
| pupnik | yes | 00:21 |
| CosmoHill | dammit | 00:21 |
| CosmoHill | when X is running, how do I find out what driver is being used? | 00:28 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:29 |
| CosmoHill | cyas trem | 00:29 |
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| vgrade | lbt, OBS not open to me? | 01:22 |
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| chickaroo | so meego won't boot on my laptop via usb or CD image, just hangs black screen with blinking underscore. would this be because i have a nvidia graphics card? you'd think it would at least give text or something | 01:31 |
| pupnik | !system-requirements | 01:31 |
| chickaroo | is there some sort of safe boot? or am i Fsck'd since it doesn't even give a boot menu? | 01:31 |
| chickaroo | i have a core 2 duo with SSSE3 so i don't think it's that | 01:32 |
| pupnik | !nvidia | 01:32 |
| chickaroo | bot not working? | 01:32 |
| pupnik | hhttp://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_FAQ | 01:33 |
| pupnik | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_FAQ | 01:34 |
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| chickaroo | pupnik: yeah i've read that, doesn't seem to help... i guess i have a motherboard it doesn't support? | 01:34 |
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| chickaroo | would be nice to test drive before i actually buy a netbook | 01:35 |
| chickaroo | anyways, thanks | 01:35 |
| pupnik | looks like it | 01:35 |
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| pupnik | i havent tried with nvidia myself | 01:36 |
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| pupnik | since it is unsupported | 01:37 |
| chickaroo | i think it would at least get a framebuffer and see the boot menu and kernel booting though | 01:37 |
| chickaroo | but it just gives blinking cursor :( | 01:37 |
| chickaroo | i wouldn't mind the nvidia blob if i could at least get it to boot in text mode | 01:38 |
| pupnik | you may be able to interrupt boolt with esc (?) | 01:38 |
| pupnik | and get to grub boot prompt | 01:38 |
| koupsaa | maybe try to remplace quiet by init 3 at boot | 01:38 |
| pupnik | and boot to single user mode | 01:38 |
| lbt | vgrade: who said that? | 01:39 |
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| chickaroo | i wish i could do that, but it doesn't even get to the grub prompt | 01:39 |
| pupnik | oh that should be fixed | 01:39 |
| pupnik | definitely need boot options | 01:40 |
| chickaroo | (i did the dd method to install it to USB stick, so i would think it is not the image) | 01:40 |
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| koupsaa | tab key for boot options | 01:43 |
| koupsaa | i just reboot i don't remember who want to know that | 01:44 |
| pupnik | tab yes. argh | 01:45 |
| chickaroo | i'll try after i'm done reimaging the usb stick, but i don't think it even gets to the boot menu at all | 01:45 |
| pupnik | just saw that | 01:45 |
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| koupsaa | chickaroo, i m sure. i just try, but it's a fast boot maybe try again | 01:46 |
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| pupnik | the forums have some scary participants | 01:47 |
| chickaroo | nope, i spammed it and nothing... hmm :/ | 01:48 |
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| pupnik | chickaroo: can you alt+f1 to a console after boot? | 01:54 |
| pupnik | or is it ctrl-alt-f1 | 01:55 |
| chickaroo | pupnik: doesn't get that far | 01:55 |
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| chickaroo | it doesn't even load the menu or anything it seems | 01:55 |
| chickaroo | anyways, thanks. i'll try again when i have a real netbook | 01:56 |
| pupnik | the intel 4500hd looks nice | 01:57 |
| chickaroo | oh and i know the computer boots from USB just fine, knoppix loads from a USB stick. so it's something with meego | 01:57 |
| chickaroo | but not even the grub or whatever the image uses to boot, loads | 01:57 |
| chickaroo | so it's not even getting to the kernel yet | 01:57 |
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| b00f | is there currently binary compatibility between meego and moblin? | 04:03 |
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| * timeless_mbp frowns | 05:40 | |
| timeless_mbp | anyone here able to do translation? | 05:40 |
| timeless_mbp | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2177#c1 | 05:40 |
| timeless_mbp | i think i need en-CN to en-US | 05:41 |
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| Votan | does anyone here know how I can replace the beta channel chrome with the dev channel chrome ? just installing the dev channel rpm does not work. | 09:29 |
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| sivu | hello world | 10:03 |
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| sivu | hello jusliukk | 10:17 |
| jusliukk | hello sivu :) | 10:17 |
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| Stskeeps | morn tekojo, slaine | 10:19 |
| slaine | morning folks | 10:19 |
| tekojo | morning Stskeeps | 10:20 |
| tekojo | and everyone else | 10:20 |
| fabo | morning | 10:20 |
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| Stskeeps | finally, an agenda with structure and project roles on it for TSG meeting | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | will be interesting to see if my internal mental picture of how things work in the project correspond to reality :P | 10:21 |
| fabo | :) | 10:22 |
| fabo | i wonder what are sage's topics ? | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | for the n900 hardware adaptation meeting? | 10:23 |
| fabo | yeah | 10:23 |
| fabo | what's behind OBS issues ? | 10:24 |
| Sage | it just does not work | 10:24 |
| fabo | :) | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | fabo: gettting build stalls and random breakdowns for 15 minutes, so it's impossible to work with :P | 10:24 |
| Sage | 504 is the response in 90% of the cases :) | 10:24 |
| fabo | Sage: lucky guys :) | 10:25 |
| fabo | I don't have the same results on OBS and local build ... | 10:25 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: Is that N900 meeting on today or tomorrow ? You mentioned, June 9th and Thursday, pick one | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | tomorrow morning | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | argh | 11:07 |
| slaine | 10th June then | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | it really isn't my day today :) | 11:07 |
| slaine | lol | 11:08 |
| slaine | get some coffee me lad | 11:08 |
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| jones- | slaine: ping | 11:14 |
| slaine | ack | 11:14 |
| jones- | slaine: something about the wl kernel module. I followed your instructions to get wifi on Broadcom 4353 chipset, but it only works after many many tries from connman. | 11:14 |
| jones- | Ever heard anything similar? | 11:15 |
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| slaine | I have a simiar issue with connman, but it only takes one attempt for me | 11:15 |
| slaine | I basically turn off wifi, count to 3, turn it on | 11:15 |
| slaine | I've heard of others with similar problems on non-broadcom chipsets | 11:16 |
| slaine | so I'm not sure it's just the wl kernel module | 11:16 |
| jones- | yeah, I thought it might be a connman problem, because the same module (compiled by me) works fine on ubuntu. | 11:16 |
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| ofauchon | Can we already register for Meego Conference 2010 ? Still no detailed instructions on the wiki . Thx | 11:25 |
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| sivang | morning all | 12:21 |
| sivang | so quite in here. | 12:21 |
| th0br0 | good morning | 12:22 |
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| th0br0 | let's see whether we'll have a meeting today ... :D | 12:22 |
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| sx0n | http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/nokias-17-model-house-reveals-a-smokin-s-series-n9-meego/ | 13:46 |
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| BT | is QT running on meego on beagle board? | 14:14 |
| BT | I am able to run the basic meego in beagleboard | 14:14 |
| w00t_ | I'd presume so, Qt works on ARM, so | 14:15 |
| BT | but how I can add more packages for window server and then QT? | 14:15 |
| w00t_ | do you have X running already? | 14:16 |
| BT | X-term running | 14:16 |
| Tumi_ | BT: nice. did you get it easily working? | 14:17 |
| BT | not much problem | 14:17 |
| Tumi_ | I just got a beagle board myself but probably have no time to test that | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | there's a small bunch of people working on meego-beagle, afaik | 14:19 |
| w00t_ | well.. with X already running, you should be able to build (and run) Qt applications.. you'll probably want to get a window manager of some variety running to play around, but that's not a must of course | 14:21 |
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| BT | looking some pointers, what window manager we can install? and how I can install | 14:24 |
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| BT | having problem to use zypper? any zypper configuration needed so the packages can be downloaded from repo | 14:25 |
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| w00t_ | BT: honestly.. i'm not sure if one is packaged. Stskeeps: does the n900 image have xfce set up nowdays temporarily? or is it still a bare xterm too | 14:29 |
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| Stskeeps | xterm | 14:30 |
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| w00t_ | ah :-/ | 14:30 |
| BT | how I can add xfce? | 14:30 |
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| Stskeeps | know how to generate an image? | 14:31 |
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| BT | I have some steps how to do it.... | 14:33 |
| * CosmoHill has ridden 23.7Km today :D | 14:33 | |
| CosmoHill | hey Stskeeps | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 14:34 |
| BT | can it be added with the rootfs that is available in the website? | 14:34 |
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| Stskeeps | BT: http://gitorious.org/meego-n8x0/image-config/blobs/master/arm-n8x0.ks has a config that uses xfce4 | 14:34 |
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| Trollkar1en | When is the N900 meeting tomorrow ? | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | 6:00 UTC | 14:37 |
| Trollkar1en | Does anyone know the status of zypper and armv7 repos at repo.meego.com ? | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | should be fine | 14:38 |
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| Trollkar1en | So its fixed ? | 14:38 |
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| Stskeeps | well, what was the issue before? :P | 14:39 |
| Trollkar1en | The zypper thats in the repo and in the first n900 image dont understand armv7l | 14:39 |
| Trollkar1en | So you could not installanything from the repo. | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | ok, that's cos someone made meego-release wrong | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | edit the paths in zypper or yum conf to not say ia32 | 14:40 |
| BT | Stskeeps : thanks, is xfce is included, whats the meaning of --defaultdesktop=xfce | 14:40 |
| Trollkar1en | Thats not the issue the issue is that zypper dont understands armv7l, there is pathes for this on the zypper ML. | 14:41 |
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| Stskeeps | BT: logging into it | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | Trollkar1en: ah | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | Trollkar1en: could you point me to those? | 14:41 |
| Trollkar1en | http://lists.opensuse.org/zypp-devel/2010-05/msg00026.html and http://lists.opensuse.org/zypp-devel/2010-05/msg00029.html | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 14:42 |
| Trollkar1en | With them it works. | 14:42 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, so dl9pf is on it | 14:42 |
| Trollkar1en | Is he a meego guy ? | 14:43 |
| Trollkar1en | I think he posted them :) | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | well, LF | 14:43 |
| Trollkar1en | Will everything from now be released in a updates repo even for n900 ? | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | trunk's being synced daily for all, it looks like | 14:44 |
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| Trollkar1en | So the 1.0 rel will change ? | 14:45 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: did you see the screen shot I put up last light? | 14:45 |
| Trollkar1en | What im intressed in is how the updates to 1.0 will be handled like the normal workflow for a distribution or not ? | 14:46 |
| CosmoHill | update from meego 0.1 or meamo? | 14:47 |
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| Trollkar1en | Freeze when 1.0 is rel and then all fixes are rel in a updates repo/project | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | Trollkar1en: i think only minor updates go into 1.0. you'll have to ask the release team though | 14:47 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: hmm, who are they? | 14:48 |
| Trollkar1en | Who can i talk to that in the rel team ? | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | meego-dev, prefix it with release team question or something | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | (mailing list) | 14:49 |
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| BT | Stskeeps : is there any latest ks file, arm-n8x0.ks has some issue to get kernel-n810 | 15:02 |
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| MmadA | Hi. I have some silly question... I have problem the same like described here: http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_Meego_Environment#Error:_chroot:_cannot_run_command_X:_No_such_file_or_directory | 15:06 |
| MmadA | But I don't know how to use this answer... | 15:07 |
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| MmadA | What is Scratchbox1? And where I can find 'Prerequisites for ARM'? | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | let's step back a bit and let me ask what you plan to do? | 15:08 |
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| MmadA | Stskeeps: I trying to setup environment to building rpm packages... | 15:09 |
| MmadA | I'm just going step by step with http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_Meego_Environment | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | ok, for ARM or x86? | 15:09 |
| MmadA | For ARM. | 15:09 |
| MmadA | And when I'm trying to use mic-chroot to chroot into meego image I'm getting this 'No such file or directory' like in wiki. | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | ok - and you haven't had scratchbox installed (maemo sdk) or the likes? | 15:11 |
| MmadA | No... I don't think so... | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | ok - what image are you trying to chroot into? | 15:12 |
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| MmadA | One moment... | 15:13 |
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| MmadA | Stskeeps: I downloaded this one: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/0.9.80.1.20100330.1/n900/images/meego-codedrop-arm-developer/ | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | ok, and what OS are you running this under? | 15:15 |
| dl9pf | Stskeeps: Trollkar1en: yes, i'm on the zypper vs. armv7 issue | 15:15 |
| MmadA | Stskeeps: I have openSUSE in virtualbox | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | ok - does /usr/bin/qemu-arm exist or /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static? | 15:15 |
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| Stskeeps | in your host system | 15:15 |
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| MmadA | Stskeeps: I have both... | 15:17 |
| dl9pf | MmadA: cat /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/arm | 15:18 |
| MmadA | http://pastebin.com/n6AMXp7v | 15:19 |
| * dl9pf looks | 15:21 | |
| dl9pf | ok, what do you try to execute - mic2 ? | 15:21 |
| dl9pf | or chroot/dev environment ? | 15:21 |
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| MmadA | I'm getting /bin/bash no such file or directory, but of course in fs/bin/bash I have bash. ;) | 15:23 |
| dl9pf | give me your last steps please | 15:23 |
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| MmadA | dl9pf: Just second, I need to clear everything. | 15:25 |
| MmadA | Rebooting my virtualmachine... | 15:26 |
| dl9pf | do you try to exec mic2 ? | 15:26 |
| MmadA | Hm... | 15:26 |
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| MmadA | dl9pf: Yes... It could be a reason... I instaled it, but I'm not sure if I exec mic2. | 15:28 |
| dl9pf | ok, the issue is that there're 2 conflicting versions of qemu installed. | 15:29 |
| MmadA | But one moment do you mean 'sudo mic-chroot <path with mounted image>'? | 15:29 |
| dl9pf | are you only interested in mic2 ? | 15:29 |
| dl9pf | then do this: remove all qemu packages (qemu-* and qemu-arm-static) and install only qemu-arm-static | 15:30 |
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| MmadA | dl9pf: OK, I will try it. | 15:30 |
| MmadA | dl9pf: Thanks! | 15:31 |
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| MmadA | dl9pf: But if I have in my system only qemu-arm-static I don't have qemu-binfmt-conf.sh... | 15:39 |
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| dl9pf | ok, a minute please | 15:39 |
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| dl9pf | leave out the qemu-binfmt-conf.sh ... | 15:43 |
| dl9pf | just exec the other steps | 15:44 |
| MmadA | Hm... | 15:44 |
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| w00t_ | o/ abner :) | 15:44 |
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| abner | w00t_, o/ | 15:45 |
| sivang | hey all | 15:46 |
| fabo | Sage: Errorcode: 504 | 15:46 |
| fabo | now, I've got it | 15:46 |
| MmadA | dl9pf: So without qemu-binfmt-conf I have the same: http://pastebin.com/e3YhNNfm | 15:47 |
| fabo | why obs doesn't satisfy my build dependencies ? | 15:48 |
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| daemon_ | how can i run meego on desktop pc? | 15:53 |
| sx0n | daemon_, with supported hw | 15:54 |
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| daemon_ | u mean the SSSE? | 15:54 |
| sx0n | plus intel graphics. | 15:55 |
| daemon_ | it wont run otherwise? | 15:55 |
| sx0n | sdk works | 15:55 |
| w00t_ | it won't run directly.. you can use the SDK | 15:55 |
| daemon_ | ok thanks | 15:55 |
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| dl9pf | MmadA: ls fs/usr/bin/qemu-* | 16:00 |
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| MmadA | dl9pf: fs/usr/bin/qemu-arm-static | 16:02 |
| dl9pf | cat /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/arm ? | 16:03 |
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| dl9pf | rpm -qv mic2 ? | 16:03 |
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| MmadA | cat: /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/arm: No such file or directory | 16:04 |
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| MmadA | Thats probably because I dont have qemu-binfmt-conf right now... | 16:04 |
| dl9pf | nop, mic2 has its own mimic | 16:04 |
| MmadA | OK. | 16:04 |
| dl9pf | rpm -qv mic2 ? | 16:04 |
| MmadA | xadamik@linux-mvbt:~/MeeGo/img> rpm -qv mic2 | 16:05 |
| MmadA | mic2-0.17-35.1.i586 | 16:05 |
| BT | hi, I downloaded latest package, probably it has QT, when I run qtdemo, there is some error couldnt open device /dev/skfgles2 | 16:05 |
| dl9pf | MmadA: install mic2 from git master http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/image-creator | 16:05 |
| dl9pf | and retry | 16:06 |
| MmadA | OK, lets try... | 16:06 |
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| devnull42 | has anyone been able to use vpn in meego? | 16:12 |
| MmadA | dl9pf: So just do all this 'git clone [...]', 'git remote add [...]' and so one, and make && make install? | 16:13 |
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| dl9pf | follow "From Development Git Tree" | 16:14 |
| MmadA | dl9pf: You mean http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation#From_Development_Git_Tree ? | 16:16 |
| dl9pf | yes | 16:16 |
| MmadA | dl9pf: Sorry for so many questions. ;) | 16:16 |
| dl9pf | np | 16:16 |
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| BT | to run QT, is there any lib needed? | 16:21 |
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| Sage | fabo: welcome to the club :) | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | i vote for '504' tshirts ;) | 16:32 |
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| BT | when trying to run qtdemo then some error, GLES2 & EGL calls will result in failure. segmentation fault" | 16:35 |
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| BT | any one has tried QT on meego on BB? | 16:44 |
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| dl9pf | BT there's an issue with qt finding the correct *GL setting, iirc no solution - maybe also buggy driver on beagle | 16:47 |
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| Stskeeps | or non-existent :P | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | you should just replace libGLESv2 with the right impl | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | the open one would only work with a qemu kernel module | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | and in qemu | 16:47 |
| dl9pf | ah - using libgles2-qemu on the beagle itself ? | 16:48 |
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| Stskeeps | dl9pf: well, that's the Trunk gles, you're supposed to provide a GLESv2 impl for your board :P | 16:49 |
| dl9pf | yes, i know ;) | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | we might be able to get the sgx drivers from meego/n900 on to beagle, we did that in maemo-on-omap | 16:50 |
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| Stskeeps | but that's a grey area legally | 16:50 |
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| Duxon | Hi! May I get here some Meego-support? I cant install Meego on my Samsung nc10. | 17:49 |
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| DawnFoster | does it meet the minimum specs here? http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_FAQ | 17:51 |
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| Myrtti | whee, I just broke my sneezing record \o/ 12 sneezes in a row. Feel lightheaded now. Nevermind me, carry on... | 17:55 |
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| DawnFoster | Myrtti: gesundheit :) | 17:58 |
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| noname | hello does anyone know how to implement a sms sending application in meego using qt4 api? or any reference sites? | 18:43 |
| Bostik | sounds like qt-mobility stuff | 18:44 |
| noname | is it library name? | 18:44 |
| w00t_ | yes, it is | 18:44 |
| Bostik | http://labs.trolltech.com/page/Projects/QtMobility basically a new subsystem | 18:45 |
| w00t_ | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.0/ | 18:45 |
| noname | thx | 18:45 |
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| jku | Anyone knows - how one could easily compile low level software for ARM ( E.g. pulseaudio ) | 19:35 |
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| zeenix | jku: hi | 19:37 |
| jku | hi | 19:37 |
| zeenix | jku: why should it be different from building of high-level stuff? | 19:37 |
| jku | it should not, I was just meaning non qt software. | 19:38 |
| zeenix | pa doesn't use almost anything from gnome | 19:39 |
| zeenix | not even glib | 19:39 |
| zeenix | afaik | 19:39 |
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| jku | autotools just tend to make life a bit more complex | 19:40 |
| pupnik_ | meego should have per-app hibernate | 19:40 |
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| pupnik_ | but so many things can change in the environment, isolating them and mapping isnt easy | 19:41 |
| jku | E.g. trying to compile for example: http://git.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio.git just drives one crazy | 19:43 |
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| maragato | anyone knows if it's possible to install meego on vmware? | 20:43 |
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| maragato | guess I'll find out... | 20:46 |
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| gour | maragato: i've problem with vbox...probably it's similar to vmware | 20:51 |
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| maragato | gour, thanks... I'm trying now, but I'm also asking around for some spare netbook just in case | 21:01 |
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| CosmoHill | gour: what's your problem? | 21:20 |
| CosmoHill | something relatied to meego not working on a virtual machine? | 21:21 |
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| gour | CosmoHill: meego UI does not work...i can only get twm running which is not so thrilling | 21:25 |
| gour | unlike my experience with moblin which worked fully under VM | 21:26 |
| DawnFoster | Quick reminder that the next Technical Steering Group (TSG) meeting starts in about 35 minutes. Agenda and logistics here: http://wiki.meego.com/Technical_Steering_Group_meetings Anyone can attend. | 21:26 |
| CosmoHill | thanks da | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | good to get some names on the various roles now | 21:27 |
| DawnFoster | this is the TSG that people have been waiting for :) | 21:27 |
| DawnFoster | Structure + names | 21:28 |
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| * gour hopes meego will evolve into something so that we won't be forced to choose between apple & android | 21:30 | |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: some names i recognise at least, others should pop out and say hi :) | 21:31 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: http://meego.com/about/governance has some new links that are 404 | 21:31 |
| lbt | just fyi :) | 21:32 |
| thiago_home | gour: I've been using maemo and I'm happy with it | 21:32 |
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| thiago_home | meego for me is just the continuation of god work | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | good -and- god work? ;) | 21:32 |
| vgrade | lbt, OBS ping NAG | 21:32 |
| * lbt runs screaming | 21:32 | |
| lbt | vgrade: done nothing today... I'm bone idle | 21:33 |
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| gour | thiago_home: well i'm looking for some more meego-enabled hardware....n900 is also a bit expensive | 21:33 |
| vgrade | lbt, get the message | 21:33 |
| * Stskeeps wonders what vgrade needs obs for | 21:33 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | hahahahahahaha | 21:33 |
| lbt | vgrade: please keep nagging ! | 21:33 |
| thiago_home | gour: and the iphone isn't expensive? | 21:34 |
| lbt | public humiliation always works for me ... | 21:34 |
| thiago_home | price points are very similar there | 21:34 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | Stskeeps: translation: "It's not that we don't trust you or anything, but some of us would like our own build server..." ;) | 21:34 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 laughs | 21:34 | |
| * lbt mentions http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Release_Creation | 21:35 | |
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| gour | thiago_home: well, at least here, ipod is available with some phone providers...same with htc devices, while none of the mobile-phomne providers offers n900...only possibility is to buy unlocked one which costs as e.g. 2 dell's 1012 netbooks | 21:35 |
| lbt | question... should try and fix utf8/xml issues in my Qt app or import MeeGo 1.0 into community OBS ?? | 21:36 |
| pupnik_ | lord please a 5" screen meego phone | 21:36 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: yeah, those are the pages they are still editing :) | 21:37 |
| lbt | pupnik_: won't happen. Meego only supports 4" | 21:37 |
| DawnFoster | we work in real-time here | 21:37 |
| leinir | pupnik_: "phone" ;) | 21:37 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: np... I'm just too quick | 21:37 |
| pupnik_ | :) well, 3g tablet | 21:37 |
| leinir | :) | 21:37 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, we didn't say you could look at those pages yet ;) | 21:38 |
| vgrade | stskeeps, with no luck in getting access to EMGD, I offered to do some testing for lbt | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: makes sense | 21:39 |
| Erkan_Yilmaz | admins can protect page, so they ar enot editable for a certain time DawnFoster | 21:39 |
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| vgrade | stskeeps, only he is having EULA issues as I don;t have a N900 | 21:40 |
| lbt | vgrade: not me... | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: legal stuff's a bitch sometimes :) information should be free! or something | 21:40 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 21:40 |
| DawnFoster | Erkan_Yilmaz: we know - we do that sometimes, but it seemed easier and more transparent to just edit the pages | 21:40 |
| lbt | I was just info gathering so I could answer potential questions | 21:40 |
| Erkan_Yilmaz | sure, I guess not everyone reads it anyways :-) | 21:41 |
| lbt | X-Fade must have fallen asleep under a pillow or something... | 21:41 |
| thiago_home | gour: oh, well, n900 wasn't made for mass-markets... | 21:41 |
| thiago_home | gour: we've always said it's the fifth step in a six-step program | 21:41 |
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| lbt | um... 4/5 | 21:41 |
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| thiago_home | lbt: compile your app with QT_NO_CAST_FROM_ASCII and QT_NO_CAST_TO_ASCII | 21:41 |
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| RST38h | Uffffffffffffff | 21:41 |
| thiago_home | that will reveal your codec error | 21:41 |
| * lbt knew you couldn't resist ;) | 21:42 | |
| lbt | Thanks | 21:42 |
| lbt | you can have a free copy of Shopper for that! | 21:42 |
| gour | thiago_home: still, i hope it won't stay niche eternally...we want to write app to run on meego-powered smart-phone (it can be used on netbook as well, but smart-phone size iz more practical and make it more portable) is n9 6th step? | 21:44 |
| lbt | InformatiQ: pingy.... | 21:44 |
| thiago_home | gour: I will completely ignore the "n9" reference | 21:45 |
| gour | thiago_home: it is not certain? | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bit unfair to ask qt people about what other depts of nokia does :) | 21:46 |
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| thiago_home | gour: no, it's just that I won't comment on a rumour about a device name | 21:46 |
| gour | thiago_home: ahh, ok. but n900's successor is supposed to be 6th step, right? | 21:47 |
| thiago_home | gour: but, to answer your question, the sixth step (whichever device that is) is supposed to be a full-breadth device yes | 21:47 |
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| gour | thiago_home: good...shall we see it this year? | 21:47 |
| thiago_home | can't comment on that | 21:48 |
| shazkhan | who deals with security in meego effort? | 21:48 |
| thiago_home | personally I hope for the soonest, of course. | 21:48 |
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| thiago_home | but then again I would want to see the successor to the n900's successor tomorrow too :-) | 21:48 |
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| gour | ok...however, it looks it will be arm device | 21:49 |
| DawnFoster | shazkhan: Ryan Ware does some of the security stuff for MeeGo | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | gour: that's fairly known. there was this slide in maemo summit that harmattan will be omap3 as well, and since harmattan isn't coming to n900... logical step is what? | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:50 |
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| DawnFoster | shazkhan: http://meego.com/users/ryanware | 21:50 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: big plus on not mentioning affiliation in the pages, btw | 21:51 |
| gour | heh...i just wonder what will be handheld ui used for then? | 21:51 |
| shazkhan | thanks DawnFoster | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | a timezone or general location would be good at some point, but so it goes | 21:51 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: I think Valtteri is making the updates, so you can thank him :) | 21:51 |
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| DawnFoster | Maybe I'll go through later and link to their meego.com profiles so people can find them more easily later | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:52 |
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| CosmoHill | someone poke me when the meeting is about to start :) | 21:53 |
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| * CosmoHill puts it in the draw for later | 21:55 | |
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| shazkhan | DawnFoster: I cannot find any docs in which we can see whats up in security. If there is anything available then I'd like to try the sdk ...should I? I am more interested in the os base and middle-ware | 21:56 |
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| lbt | thiago: you think... http://pastebin.com/8sndF8iX maybe? :) | 21:57 |
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| DawnFoster | shazkhan: Ping Ryan to see what documentation is available on security. | 21:58 |
| shazkhan | k | 21:58 |
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| lbt | thiago_home: you think... http://pastebin.com/8sndF8iX maybe? :) | 22:01 |
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| lcuk | lbt that looks painful | 22:04 |
| thiago_home | lbt: that looks like a codec error | 22:04 |
| thiago_home | QString's constructor uses Latin1 | 22:04 |
| lbt | ISTR there was no QFile when I wrote that | 22:04 |
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| lbt | I'll rewrite that whole area | 22:05 |
| lbt | anyhow... meeting | 22:05 |
| thiago_home | lbt: you want QString::fromUtf8 or QString::fromLocal8Bit | 22:06 |
| thiago_home | depending on which one is appropriate | 22:06 |
| thiago_home | if it's XML, you may want to simply pass the byte array directly into QXmlStreamReader and it will detect the encoding according to XML rules | 22:06 |
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| lbt | makes sense... I was thrashing about when I wrote that a couple of years or so ago | 22:07 |
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| ATWILSON | join #meego-meeting | 22:12 |
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| Stskeeps | need a slash :) | 22:12 |
| shazkhan | :) | 22:12 |
| shazkhan | maybe it's an invitation .... | 22:13 |
| ATWILSON | what I get for trying to IRC while eating a pickle ;-) | 22:13 |
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| Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-06-09-19.03.log.txt if you want to catch up on meeting log | 22:13 |
| ATWILSON | thanks. | 22:13 |
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| lbt | can we have a "hands up" please.... and then Dawn can call on us when it's our 'turn' | 22:30 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: ^^ | 22:30 |
| ameya | ;) I wish there was a hands up smily | 22:30 |
| DawnFoster | not changing the process mid-way thru the meeting | 22:30 |
| DawnFoster | hand up in irc is too hard to manage with this many people | 22:31 |
| lbt | yeah but it comes over as "shut up and wait your turn" ... and I'm sure it's not | 22:31 |
| sjokkis | are module proposals sent to the dev list, or somewhere else? | 22:32 |
| sjokkis | and is there a dev irc channel? | 22:32 |
| thiago_home | sjokkis: yes | 22:33 |
| thiago_home | sjokkis: it's this one here :-) | 22:33 |
| Erkan_Yilmaz_ | how about also collecting questions before meeting on wiki? | 22:33 |
| sjokkis | ah, i thought this was more of a general user channel | 22:33 |
| lcuk | Erkan_Yilmaz_, theres many ways practical | 22:34 |
| lcuk | ut usually the questions arent known until the meeting is in progress | 22:34 |
| lbt | sjokkis: there are specific dev channels for some areas | 22:34 |
| lbt | eg meego-arm | 22:34 |
| sjokkis | lbt: is there a list somewhere? | 22:34 |
| Erkan_Yilmaz_ | I guess when the topic would be more explicit before meeting, it could lead to more interesting questions | 22:34 |
| lcuk | we have had a -questions channel previously but it felt disjointed, so its an open meeting and i think passing the mic around is a good and fair way | 22:34 |
| lbt | sjokkis: the meego wiki ... but not a list | 22:35 |
| Erkan_Yilmaz_ | lcuk, yes | 22:35 |
| lcuk | Erkan_Yilmaz_, the wiki has overview of points to raise | 22:35 |
| lcuk | you can always discuss and make notes beforehand | 22:35 |
| lcuk | you can even suggest your own topics i believe - whether they will be discussed is another matter | 22:35 |
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| Erkan_Yilmaz_ | haha | 22:36 |
| sjokkis | lbt: if i have a proposal for both the netbook and mobile versions, will i have to approach two teams? | 22:36 |
| lcuk | sjokkis, just start working, but from experience, taking a smaller application on mobile and expanding it to netbook/slate factor is easier and less troublesome | 22:37 |
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| lcuk | theres nothing worse than finding out your UI doesnt work on a tiny screen | 22:37 |
| lcuk | but you can always stretch out on a netbook | 22:37 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 hi-fives lbt for the good question | 22:38 | |
| sjokkis | lcuk: this is for zeitgeist, if you know what that is. it would be a matter of porting the daemon (may or may not involve any work at all), and then writing applications that use it for the netbook/mobile versions | 22:38 |
| sjokkis | lcuk: those applications wouldn't necessarily be the same on both versions, of course | 22:38 |
| lcuk | with qt, why not? | 22:40 |
| sjokkis | the applications could use QT, sure | 22:40 |
| sjokkis | the daemon is in python | 22:40 |
| lcuk | why? | 22:41 |
| sjokkis | just started that way, i guess | 22:41 |
| sjokkis | it works very well. it's lightweight, so it doesn't really matter | 22:41 |
| ameya | why there are two channels meego-dev and meego-devel? | 22:42 |
| lcuk | sure - for now, what if you get on a platform that doesnt support it ? | 22:42 |
| sjokkis | a platform without python? | 22:42 |
| sjokkis | if we're running on netbooks and smartphones, i don't really see why that would happen | 22:42 |
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| sjokkis | lcuk: you foresee it being a problem? | 22:44 |
| lbt | mmm I don't think that really got discussed | 22:44 |
| lbt | I think that is because everything mentioned by name is internal to MeeGo the product.... it kinda feels introverted | 22:45 |
| lcuk | sjokkis, we dont know what each instance will have, theres a lot of waryness related to additional components | 22:45 |
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| sjokkis | lcuk: but you require qt, in all instances? | 22:49 |
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| lcuk | sjokkis, i dont require anything | 22:49 |
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| sjokkis | heh. meego, not you personally | 22:49 |
| lcuk | go and read the http://meego.com/developers/meego-api | 22:50 |
| lcuk | the only thing fixed there is qt | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | http://meego.com/sites/all/files/users/u13/MeeGoArch1.png | 22:51 |
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| orospakr | How much of the Nokia Maemo team (clearly a very talented bunch as evidenced) is working on MeeGo? | 22:52 |
| thiago_home | orospakr: Nokia Maemo is now called Nokia MeeGo | 22:52 |
| thiago_home | therefore, all of them | 22:52 |
| orospakr | neat! | 22:52 |
| thiago_home | well, except for the remainder still working on Maemo 5 | 22:52 |
| orospakr | reasonable! | 22:53 |
| pinchartl | thiago_home: what about maemo 6 ? has that been renamed meego ? | 22:54 |
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| sjokkis | pinchartl: merged into meego | 22:54 |
| thiago_home | pinchartl: that is also meego | 22:54 |
| thiago_home | harmattan is meego (somehow) | 22:54 |
| pinchartl | *somehow* :-) | 22:54 |
| sjokkis | lcuk: i can certainly see the argument for not wanting to include dependency on python, but i don't think it's a problem for smartphones today, and even less so for smartphones tomorrow | 22:54 |
| sjokkis | and it obviously isn't a problem for netbooks | 22:55 |
| sjokkis | this will probably be discussed for quite a while though | 22:55 |
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| lbt | sometimes I think these are more press-releases than meetings... | 22:57 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | feels that way a bit | 22:57 |
| VDVsx | hehehe | 22:57 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | i'm still trying to figure out a way i can fit in. | 22:58 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | i seem to not fit neatly into ANY of the boxes | 22:58 |
| vgrade | same here | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | party political broadcast, but one where we do talk and get feedback :) | 22:58 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | i mean, my work with LinuxMCE | 22:58 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | LITERALLY | 22:58 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee2, you want your app sat on meego - do it? | 22:58 |
| lbt | TSCHAKeee2: well, like someone said earlier, there is no "outreach" from MeeGo. | 22:58 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | covers ALL of the "boxes" | 22:58 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | lcuk: I am, but I wanted to do it in the open. | 22:59 |
| lbt | well, I said that :) | 22:59 |
| lcuk | i thought you were | 22:59 |
| lcuk | you are linuxmce? | 22:59 |
| lbt | but someone asked who to contact | 22:59 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | *nod* just..trying to figure out how i fit in. | 22:59 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | lcuk: I am one of the lead devs. | 22:59 |
| lbt | maybe you should ask DawnFoster TSCHAKeee2? She said she looks after devs? | 22:59 |
| lcuk | right TSCHAKeee2 so you have a role? | 23:00 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and I am doing the port of LinuxMCE to MeeGo, as soon as our current release cycle ends. | 23:00 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | yes. | 23:00 |
| lbt | TSCHAKeee2: well, the OBS will also help there | 23:00 |
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| lbt | but I feel that that is a skunkworks project | 23:00 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | well it gets interesting there, because we have our own build server/system heheheh | 23:00 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and yes | 23:00 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | i feel it might very well be | 23:00 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee2, i dont get what you need permission for? | 23:00 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | not permission... | 23:00 |
| lbt | guidance | 23:01 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | just trying to figure out where the hell i would best fit. | 23:01 |
| lcuk | then what stops your from hacking linuxmce front end onto meego? | 23:01 |
| lbt | most likely way to succceed | 23:01 |
| GAN900 | Well, that was thoroughly unenlightening. | 23:01 |
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| lcuk | i thought it was quite informative | 23:01 |
| * lbt really must investigate konversation to find a way to s/GAN900/Marvin_the_paranoid_android/ | 23:01 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | my goal is to put the entire linuxmce stack, on meego.. both the core, and the media directors. | 23:02 |
| lcuk | mind you, ive got blood pouring out of my mouth | 23:02 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | as well as making tablet environments, etc. | 23:02 |
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| lcuk | and can barely talk, so i might be in the wrong frame of mind | 23:02 |
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| lcuk | TSCHAKeee2, you want to recreate a new linuxmce using meego tooling? | 23:03 |
| * VDVsx nominates GAN900 for the community office :P | 23:03 | |
| sjokkis | TSCHAKeee2: looking at the screenshots of linuxmce now. looks pretty rad. how much of it is working, and how much is just mockup? | 23:03 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sjokkis: well...all of it. | 23:03 |
| DawnFoster | TSCHAKeee2: The best place to start that discussion is in the mailing list - give us a better idea of what you want to see happen and suggestions for how it might fit in | 23:03 |
| sjokkis | TSCHAKeee2: all of it which? :p | 23:03 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sjokkis: the whole stack has been around for 6 years now. | 23:03 |
| sjokkis | sweet | 23:03 |
| * thiago_home needs to talk to arjan in another subject too | 23:03 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sjokkis: google video "linuxmce 0704 demo" | 23:04 |
| thiago_home | what netbook models do people recommend? | 23:04 |
| sjokkis | thiago_home: very happy with my 10" eee | 23:04 |
| thiago_home | I'm trying to order one, but the one arjan recommended the Nokia Sourcing people told me they can't get to norway | 23:04 |
| sjokkis | thiago_home: 10 inches is enough for most people | 23:04 |
| thiago_home | sjokkis: Atom and Intel graphics? | 23:04 |
| GAN900 | VDVsx, I totally missed that naming discussion. | 23:04 |
| sjokkis | thiago_home: yes | 23:04 |
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| thiago_home | 950? | 23:04 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, intel graphics that arent intel gma500 | 23:04 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | lcuk: and yes.. we have a _LOT_ of vestigial code, that was written before most of the free software world caught up... I would like to see how much of it can be replaced with upstream code. | 23:05 |
| sjokkis | thiago_home: 1000H. though if i were to get one now, i'd get the upgraded version with 10 hours battery (or thereabouts) | 23:05 |
| VDVsx | GAN900, http://meego.com/about/governance | 23:05 |
| thiago_home | the one arjan recommended had a touchscreen w/ multitouch | 23:05 |
| sjokkis | thiago_home: not sure. let me check | 23:05 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee2, hint, the Linux in LinuxMCE should tell me enough to know you were already in an open source world ;) | 23:05 |
| sx0n|home | thiago_home: http://wiki.meego.com/Devices | 23:05 |
| GAN900 | VDVsx, too many words for me to read at work. :P | 23:05 |
| VDVsx | GAN900, image at the end | 23:06 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | lcuk: hehehehe, what I meant was, | 23:06 |
| sjokkis | thiago_home: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) | 23:06 |
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| VDVsx | *middle | 23:06 |
| VDVsx | lol | 23:06 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | lcuk: just one example, we built an entire PnP layer, long before a lot of equivalent stuff existed "upstream" | 23:06 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | lcuk: and have been systematically peeling it back and replacing it with upstream stuff | 23:06 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | lcuk: we also wrote massive chunks of code to repair the system when things like graphics cards or network cards changed etc.. | 23:07 |
| lcuk | so you are a linux distribution unto yourselves | 23:07 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | lcuk: yes. | 23:07 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | we are built atop Ubuntu currently | 23:08 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | which was transposed over from an earlier build based on Debian. | 23:08 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | we took over the project, from the company that did the initial development...and it took us two years, just to wrap our brains around it. | 23:09 |
| sx0n|home | someone should invent MeeGo Certified Hardware stickers | 23:09 |
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| thiago_home | sx0n|home: I think you've just volunteered! | 23:10 |
| sx0n|home | heh | 23:10 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | sjokkis: watching the video? | 23:10 |
| sjokkis | watching the matrix actually. hang on... | 23:10 |
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| lcuk | sjokkis, first one? | 23:11 |
| sjokkis | lcuk: yes. it's really good. too bad they didn't make any sequelss | 23:12 |
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| lcuk | yeah sjokkis they wouldv been cool to watch | 23:12 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | I guess the reason I am being so inquisitive is... the one thing I DO not want to happen, is I don't want to work in a cave for X units of time, and do a big reveal... | 23:13 |
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| sx0n|home | that sticker would need validation software | 23:14 |
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| sjokkis | TSCHAKeee2: this is pretty cool. how well does it work in unison with media centre applications such as xbmc? | 23:14 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | what font is used for the MeeGo logo ? | 23:14 |
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| sjokkis | TSCHAKeee2: or does it replace those? | 23:15 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sjokkis: we provide a UPNP server, and we do use djmount to mount upnp shares elsewhere in the house (it is currently disabled pending some auditing work.)....but if you'd want to be able to control an xbmc instance, someone would need to write a DCE device to talk its HTTP API. | 23:15 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sjokkis: tenatively, it replaces those...but there is nothing that states it can't work with them | 23:16 |
| sjokkis | the HTTP API kinda sucks really | 23:16 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sjokkis: yeah. | 23:16 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sjokkis: the system can pretty much integrate anything. | 23:16 |
| thiago_home | http-over-udp, who could have thought of that | 23:16 |
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| sjokkis | TSCHAKeee2: i'll spring for it when i've got my master's an a cushy consulting job | 23:17 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sjokkis: to give you an idea, I've got a setup here utilizing an array of RFID transmitters for presence detection. | 23:17 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, the data isnt the issue? | 23:17 |
| sjokkis | TSCHAKeee2: presence of what? you? | 23:17 |
| lcuk | theres many UDP services that use SOAP xml and stuff | 23:17 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sjokkis: yes. | 23:17 |
| sjokkis | TSCHAKeee2: can't it just detect your mobile phone? | 23:17 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sjokkis: yes, it can. | 23:17 |
| sjokkis | certainly saved you some effort there, didn't i | 23:18 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | sjokkis: technically ANYTHING that generates a presence detected event can be used to determine presence | 23:18 |
| sjokkis | mobile and a bluetooth transmitter, and you're done | 23:18 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sjokkis: i.e. pressing a key on a workstaiton keyboard, etc. | 23:18 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sjokkis: hehheheh | 23:18 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sjokkis: you're naiive | 23:18 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ;) | 23:18 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | you haven't done that practically, i see. | 23:18 |
| sjokkis | i have, so i know it sucks | 23:18 |
| sjokkis | what do you use for your sensor array? zigbee? | 23:18 |
| lcuk | thats it, im getting this RFID tag implanted | 23:19 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | lots of different things | 23:19 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | i have a 1-wire bus, z-wave here..but we can pretty much deal with anything so long as somebody writes a DCE device for it. | 23:19 |
| * lcuk pushes it in the hole from tooth | 23:19 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | we have drivers for lots of different automation buses | 23:19 |
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| GAN900 | Whatever happened to just openning images in a new goddamn window? | 23:20 |
| sjokkis | lcuk: i think injecting it subdermally is a lot less effort | 23:20 |
| * GAN900 is so tired of js image galleries. | 23:20 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and a developer just added support for the TED 5000 energy monitor | 23:20 |
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| sjokkis | GAN900: what are we? animals? | 23:20 |
| lcuk | sjokkis, im just thinking of whats to hand, i had a tooth extracted today | 23:20 |
| lcuk | so i have room for it | 23:20 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | so that you can monitor energy consumption and act upon it. | 23:20 |
| GAN900 | sjokkis, hmm? | 23:20 |
| sjokkis | do you have support for any automated espresso machines? | 23:20 |
| sjokkis | GAN900: images galleries not using javascript? it sounds barbaric | 23:21 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | the funny thing is, even with all that we can do now, we still have another good 20 years of polishing to do. | 23:21 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sjokkis: they exist? | 23:21 |
| sjokkis | there are coffee makers that can be set on a timer, sure | 23:21 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sjokkis: if they did, a new device driver for them could be written in about 10 minutes. | 23:21 |
| sjokkis | i don't know if they have any means of being controlled remotely | 23:21 |
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| sjokkis | but you have coffee machines that hook into the water pipes, and start on a timer | 23:22 |
| lcuk | sjokkis, i doubt theres a device on the planet that hasnt been put under the control of a linux kernel at some time ;) | 23:22 |
| GAN900 | sjokkis, sounds like it wouldn't make it an absolute pain to view on my N900. :P | 23:22 |
| sjokkis | of course, ground coffee goes stale overnight | 23:22 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | basically any device that is RS232/485, Ethernet, USB, Firewire, can have a driver written for it using our tools | 23:22 |
| lcuk | GAN900, argggg indeed | 23:22 |
| lcuk | i was on som silly flash site | 23:22 |
| lcuk | that needed me to pan in the flash to view images | 23:22 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | so long as there is a way to get data to it, and from it.. doesn't really matter. | 23:23 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, for a supposedly mobile-oriented distribution, meego.com isn't always very mobile friendly. | 23:23 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, ugh. | 23:23 |
| lcuk | GAN900, ohhh its something on the meego.com server? | 23:23 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, that stupid governance page | 23:24 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sjokkis: and in the case of let's say.. rs232 controlled AV equipment, we have code that detects if the equipment was manually switched, and adjust itself accordingly...also since the system knows how the devices are connected, to what ports ,etc... as well as how to control them, it adjusts all the remote control devices to send button presses etc to the right devices dynamically. | 23:24 |
| GAN900 | JS gallery to view the diagram fullsize | 23:24 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 turns off pitch mode and stfu. | 23:24 | |
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| GAN900 | Which means tap, wait, tap, wait. . . . | 23:24 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, i dunno i just middle clicked it | 23:25 |
| lcuk | and it opened in new tab | 23:25 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, where's the middle click on an N900? | 23:25 |
| GAN900 | It's not unfriedly to desktops | 23:25 |
| lcuk | i nearly made one last night :P | 23:25 |
| GAN900 | (just freaking obnoxious) | 23:25 |
| lcuk | i was mucking about with the camera and gestures behind lol | 23:26 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | GAN900: click and hold while hanging upside down . :P | 23:26 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :) | 23:26 |
| lcuk | in a dark room with the torch on you can basically map brightness to distance | 23:26 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, tried tap hold / new window? | 23:26 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | be sure to twist your wrist, so you tap from the opposite end | 23:26 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | being double jointed helps. | 23:27 |
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| CosmoHill | 70 people in the meeting channel still | 23:58 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, waiting for punch n pie | 23:59 |
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| CosmoHill | maybe like me they were backreading | 23:59 |
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