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CosmoHillcyas00:12
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andybleadenHI all anyone been tinkering with banshee community extensions yet at all?00:20
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[Coke]Hio; I just picked up a laptop preinstalled with moblin; Should I be doc-searching for meebo now ?01:00
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[Coke]er, meego, whoops01:08
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Sebas1how you install the ui?05:27
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[Coke]Sebas1: channel seems very quiet today. I came here by way of #moblin, which I unfortunately just bought a laptop with. =-)05:42
Sebas1oh k. you have meego installed?05:42
[Coke]no, downloading now. the laptop came with moblin, which, near as I can tell, is dead.05:45
[Coke]s/laptop/netbook/05:47
infobot[Coke] meant: no, downloading now. the netbook came with moblin, which, near as I can tell, is dead.05:47
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pxchen_Who can tell me the ividesktop use which UI toolkit?06:13
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sivangmorning all09:46
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sivangtekojo: hey09:52
tekojomorning sivang09:53
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[Coke]Sebas1: I ended up going with a different option for the netbook. good luck.09:53
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reshwindbladei always wonder why does the logging system log people join and disconnecting from this chat room10:11
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Stskeepsreshwindblade: useful occassionally10:12
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reshwindbladeStskeeps, yea, keyword occassionally :( I was going thru last few days logs to see what is happening, it was a pain :D10:13
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TermanaWrite a script that wget's the logs and then uses regular expressions to delete lines that are related to joining/parting/quitting and then you've solved your problem.10:15
reshwindbladeill add it to the suggestion page ;) but yea could do that10:17
reshwindbladeoh nvm ill try to do that script, ill post it once done for the benefit of all10:17
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linuxplatformGood Morning10:33
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Quufak, cant start terminal :/10:38
Quusomething is b0rken10:38
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Quu"gnome-terminal has crashed"10:46
Quu:f10:46
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riochdo you think it's possible to install meego on the archos 5 internet tablet?10:47
poutsiQuu, tell me about it... I just found out that right-click-menu-opening any url from gnome term freezes my entire machine10:48
Quulol10:48
Quuctrl+click opens them too10:48
Quuand its faster10:48
Quuneed to irc from tty meh.10:48
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Quunow bug raporting tool froze10:51
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sivangre11:56
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myrttiyou who decided human immunology system deserves to go haywire on introduction to pollen, DIAF!12:32
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Tm_Twasn't me!12:32
* Tm_T hides12:32
StskeepsMyrtti++12:32
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sivangMyrtti: at least yours is operating at full throttle ;)13:15
sivangMyrtti: it is always a tradeoff13:15
Myrttisivang: I wouldn't mind if the allergy medicines I've taken would actually work.13:16
sivangMyrtti: they never do...:)13:17
Myrttiit's a bit difficult to concentrate to work when I have to wipe my screen clean every 15 minutes. I know how to use a tissue to cover my nose and mouth when I'm sneezing, but I've not developed a superhuman speed to do that yet.13:17
sivangMyrtti: By now I think I could get used to everything :)13:19
sivangwell, not *everything* but for most of it anyways..13:19
sivangMyrtti: you with Intel / Nokia?13:19
Myrttisivang: neither, working for Nomovok13:20
sivangMyrtti: they they company doing the huge smartphoen?13:20
Stskeepsyou're thinking of aava?13:20
sivangah yes13:21
sivangbrr the names get me confused13:21
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pupnik_hmm morrestown phone: http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/16/aava-mobiles-intel-moorestown-prototype-hands-on/13:22
pupnik_apparently someone should be working on wine+meego builds/compatibility/testing13:25
pupnik_world of warcraft...13:25
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Tm_Twhy would anyone do that when we have Wesnoth?13:26
crysazif you stand in a midle of a field and you can barely see tree line in horizon, you could describe that open space as aava in finnish13:26
crysazi think it is great name for that phone13:26
pupnik_well i did notice "one hour playtime"13:27
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Quudamnit14:40
Quucant open terminal14:40
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vljthere is still no emgd driver for meego ivi ?14:40
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CosmoHillThe Sky Crawlers or Evangelion 1.11?15:33
Stskeepsbeer?15:34
Stskeeps:P15:34
CosmoHillI prefer cider myself15:35
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pupnik_does anyone know if meego UX has a position wrt the "escape" function, and/or the assignment of that to a hardware key?15:39
pupnik_i bring it up because i forsee many corporate-originated UX decisions will be made, and they should get some discussion time15:41
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pupnik_i bring it up because i forsee many corporate-originated UX decisions will be made, and they should get some discussion time that could be helpful15:42
pupnik_oops15:42
pupnik_i bring it up because i forsee many corporate-originated UX decisions will be made, and they should get some discussion time that could be helpful15:43
Stskeepswhat's the difference between a meritocratic open source project with some members having more resources, time and merit than others .. and a company?15:43
pupnik_hm15:43
Stskeepsboth has to 'sell' their product to a user, otherwise they won't get revenue/recruits15:43
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Tm_Tboth can decide they're happy as it is and dont desire to grow too15:44
* Tm_T doesn't know how this had to do anything though15:45
Stskeepsi'm just saying that there's little difference in how a company makes decisions and a well-run open source one does :P15:45
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Tm_TStskeeps: agree15:46
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Stskeepsboth are made over coffee.15:46
Stskeeps;)15:46
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Tm_T...was about to say I need some coffee to stop me talking nonsense15:47
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riochdo you think it's possible to install meego on an archos 5 internet tablet?15:50
Stskeepsit's ARMv7 isn't it?15:51
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riochMain processor: ARM CortexTM-A8, 32 bit, In-order, dual-issue, superscalar core @ 800 MHz15:52
riochtaken from: http://www.archos.com/products/imt/archos_5it/specs.html?country=us&lang=en15:52
Stskeepswouldn't say no, given n900 is similar15:52
Stskeepscan you hack it to run angstrom or whatever?15:52
riochyeah, you can download something from archos to do that15:53
riochthey seem to market it as an open device, but I don't have one yet so I don't know what that really means15:53
TermanaI would say no though. Yes it is an OMAP3 board inside (AFAIK), but I believe they actually lock them down and stop you from installing custom userspaces15:53
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riochSo it's an unsure but probably no?15:55
Stskeepswell, not exactly15:55
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Stskeepssee if anyone ported angstrom or whatever to it and do some research15:56
Stskeepsthe biggest problem will be kernel and SGX drivers15:56
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riochStskeeps, I don't think porting is required. http://www.archos.com/products/imt/archos_5it/dualoslinux.html?country=us&lang=en15:56
riochunless you mean something else15:56
Stskeepskernel 2.6.33 and sgx driver + libs to have a proper experience15:57
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riochwhat is sgx?15:58
Stskeeps3d acceleration15:58
Termanarioch, the problem with thats is that it is actually distributed by Archos15:59
Termanayou need to find out if a third party independent of Archos has made firmware/custom ROMs available for it15:59
riochahh ok I understand16:00
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riochTermana, maybe this is useful? http://www.openaos.org/about16:08
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Termanarioch, I had a quick skim read and poke around. It seems that it all links straight back to an Archos official firmware16:12
Termanarioch, but they have an IRC channel here on freenode, you should ask them directly16:13
Termana#openaos16:13
riochthanks.16:14
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pupnik_$1000 bid for an openpandora.  you seeing this nokia?  http://cgi.ebay.com/Pandora-Handheld-One-first-OpenPandora-/320542763412?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Video_Games&hash=item4aa1d6699416:25
Stskeepswell, anything to skip a queue16:26
w00t_^16:26
w00t_some people have too much money and too little sense16:26
fralsöpö16:26
fralss/öpö/lol/16:26
infobotfrals meant: lol16:26
pupnik_another went for £58016:26
w00t_frals: øpø to you too16:26
Tm_Tœpœ16:27
riochTermana, I think this answers the question: [12:19] <av500> but SDE allows you to boot any linux kernel and user space16:28
Stskeepswell, does a working 2.6.33 exist?16:29
Stskeeps:P16:29
riochno idea, so if it doesn't I'd need to compile one myself and get it working. a fun, if a little daunting, project16:30
Termanarioch, yes, you would have to take Archo's forked kernel, or whatever the openaos guys have and rebase the code to a .33/.34 kernel source. Depending on what the latest kernel version available is, you either have a medium pain in the arse ahead of you, or a major pain in the arse ahead of you16:32
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riochI'm not a big fan of pains in my arse16:34
riochMaybe this is a dumb question, but how does it relate to getting meego on the device?16:34
* CosmoHill blinks16:35
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TermanaCosmoHill, thank you alarm clock16:37
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CosmoHillO.o16:37
Termanarioch, ... you need to be able to run a .33/.34 kernel, and have the ability to use custom userspaces to be thinking about porting' MeeGo16:38
TermanaCosmoHill, you know.. cause digital alarm clocks blink...16:38
CosmoHill:316:38
CosmoHillmine normally blink 12:0016:39
riochTermana, ok. thanks for help.16:39
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CosmoHillhey th0br017:29
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CosmoHillmmm, X11 over ADSL, nippy -.-17:34
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TrollkarlenAnyone haveing problems with zypper in the meego repo ?17:57
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CosmoHillit says one of the things isn't signed and asks if you want to go on17:57
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CosmoHillthat's what I get17:57
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jperez26Hi anyone o.o18:53
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Cosmo[PB]hello18:53
koupsaamove from moblin-web-browser to chrome/chromium i a very very bad idea18:53
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jperez26I was looking for some info on MeeGo for the N8x018:54
koupsaahello CosmoHill18:54
jperez26I'm very much out of the loop since I've been away from the Maemo community for a few months18:54
CosmoHilljperez26: as far as I know only the N900 is supported at the moment18:54
koupsaachrome boring  me :( sniff18:54
CosmoHilli think there is somethign on the forums / wiki / mailing list about the N8X018:55
w00t_jperez26: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N8x018:55
jperez26Yeah...I figured as much and yet I was told it isn't N8x0-unfriendly18:55
jperez26o.o18:55
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jperez26Very nice.  Just checked out the wiki page and the thread linked from it.  Very good stuff.  I'll keep an eye on the project.  Thanks for your help guys and gals.19:04
w00t_feel free to hang around and help out if you can, etc19:05
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jperez26Well, I'll see what I can do.  I'm still trying to get myself into a better understanding of the Linux OS itself.  Being a Windows person since I was a kid and having to stick with it until recently, it's still a somewhat hard transition19:11
jperez26Plus all the information available sometimes makes my head spin lol19:11
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kylepottsdoes meego support the dell mini 10v?20:11
jarkko^http://meego.com/devices/netbook/supported-hardware-platforms20:13
jarkko^according to this, yes20:14
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kylepottsjarkko^: thanks, I thought so but I was just making sure. What packages does meego support?20:14
kylepottscan I install apt?20:15
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* Stskeeps is happy to see the QA team + QA tools developers spring into the open21:01
Stskeepsand a lot of build infrastructure documentation and stuff21:02
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alexandercpgood afternoon21:10
alexandercpsomebody from venezuela?21:10
alexandercphellooooooo21:12
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slonopotamusalexandercp: i think you want #venezuela21:14
Stskeepswell, depends if you're looking for l10n21:15
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alexandercpslonopotamus, i want venezuelan people to know a im not alone here21:17
alexandercpi entered for learn about meego i trying the os in this moment21:18
alexandercpi have a aao d250-199021:18
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alexandercpi tryed to install the os in a 8gb sdhc but not start21:19
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alexandercpslonopotamus i has joned #meego because i want to talk about meego21:21
alexandercpi just only ask about another venezuelan only to see if i am not alone in the room21:21
alexandercpdo you understand because i asked about another venezuelan peoples here?21:22
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TSCHAKeee2Stskeeps: yayz on the QA openness :)21:24
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alexandercpi had a question21:26
alexandercphow i enter to the meego applications store?21:26
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Stskeepsnot sure there's one yet?21:27
Quugarage?21:27
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alexandercpyes21:28
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alexandercpi'm using in this moment a live version across pendrive21:29
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b-man|laptopStskeeps: are there any real risks to watchout for while in R&D mode?21:30
Stskeepsb-man|laptop: you can technically run out your battery or go into a reboot loop without end..21:30
b-man|laptophm, ok21:31
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tuliobaarsWhen does the MeeGo will be ready to N8x0 ???21:32
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Stskeepstuliobaars: dunno, what are you doing to help move it along? :)21:33
tuliobaarsi don't know where to start, sorry!21:34
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Stskeepswell, i guess not much to do atm, what areas can you help in?21:34
tuliobaarsi just wanna know21:34
tuliobaarsoh, the test21:34
tuliobaarsi'm not afraid of bricking my NIT21:35
tuliobaarsDivulgation, translation of howto's21:35
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tuliobaarsso many things! just now, i can't help with the kernel21:35
tuliobaarsI can HOST the files!21:36
Stskeeps:nod:21:36
tuliobaars24x7 in my own server21:36
Stskeepsi'll let you know when there's something more proper on the table :)21:36
tuliobaarsskype? tulio.baars.meira21:36
tuliobaarsstay in contact21:36
alexandercptulio do you speak spanish?21:37
Stskeepsyou can follow the progress on forum.meego.com i guess21:37
tuliobaarsno, just portuguese21:37
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tuliobaarsand english21:37
tuliobaarsportuguese its almost an spanish21:38
alexandercpi speak spanish and a little of english21:38
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tuliobaarsok21:39
tuliobaarsskype: tulio.baars.meira21:39
tuliobaarslets try21:39
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alexandercpwhat is the difference about live cd and installed meego on the netbook?21:41
alexandercpin the installed is more applications enabled?21:41
alexandercpor the installed is similar to the live?21:42
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clipartcat"And I'd like to talk for minute about iOS 4 upgrades. For the 3G, not all the features are supported, same with the iPod touch, and this excludes the first generation. Upgrades are free for all these products."21:48
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Stskeepsheh21:51
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crismonHi channel, I have a question: Has anyone ever tried Meego on eeepc 900? Are there problems?22:35
FunkyPenguincrismon, what cpu does the 900 have, is it a celeron?22:36
CosmoHilleeePC 901 works22:36
FunkyPenguinif it is then you wont be able to install it locally, but will be able to run it from usb22:36
crismonFunkyPenguin: is celeron.....22:36
FunkyPenguinanyone know where the tarballs live? im itching to start packaging it for opensuse22:37
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CosmoHillFunkyPenguin: tarballs for what?22:42
crismonFunkyPenguin: thank you22:42
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FunkyPenguinCosmoHill, for the netbook ux22:43
CosmoHillyou might have to download the src.rpm files and uppack them?22:44
FunkyPenguinis there something similar to ftp.gnome.org and also are there separate pages for each package?22:44
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FunkyPenguinugh that is far from fun :( is there a list of what components make up the netbook ux then?22:45
CosmoHilldo you think on the wiki we should have a list of common devices that don't support meego?22:45
CosmoHillthings that people ask about a lot22:46
FunkyPenguincrismon, you're welcome - i tried to install to both hard disk and sd card but failed22:46
FunkyPenguinrunning from the usb stick worked a treat22:46
FunkyPenguinCosmoHill, i think it just needs to be highlighted about the cpu architecture requirements22:46
FunkyPenguinso basically in *BIG* letters what doesnt work22:47
FunkyPenguinno real need to list all devices as that will be one huge list22:48
CosmoHillit's basically Core 2 and Atom processors22:48
FunkyPenguinonly Atom N series - the Z series is Poulsbo powered ;)22:49
CosmoHilldamn22:49
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altinihello can anyone help me o direct me on how can i install meego on usb stick23:05
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Quuhttp://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+install+meego+on+usb+stick23:06
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CosmoHillaltini: it's on the wiki :)23:07
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CosmoHillQuu: you may have offended the guy23:08
Quusorry :<23:08
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CosmoHillor maybe he found the answer23:11
CosmoHillhe's replaced you with google23:11
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Quuimo googling seems too hard.23:12
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balorDoes GMA500 support for meego 1.0 exist?23:47
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CosmoHillno23:49
CosmoHillnot really23:49
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balorCosmoHill: Thanks.  I was afraid of that.23:50
* balor has an expensive paperweight23:50
CosmoHilli think there is something on google23:51
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balorIt looks like GMA500 support is broken everywhere - Fedora 13, Mandriva etc...23:53
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summelanybody has a link to that sexy open source hardware phone concept thingy?23:54
vgradethis is as far I have got so far on the Joggler GMA500 based MID23:54
vgradehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXWOjZQ8jVE23:54
balorsummel: This? http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/index.php/Wild_ducks_project23:55
summelnpo23:55
summelthere were also some renders on how it would/could look23:55
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balorvgrade: So broken is for some value between "paperweight" and "some guy on IRC has made it kinda work" :)23:57
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balorvgrade: Any pointers on how to get that far?23:57
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