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| TurboVomit | meego is really nice | 00:04 |
| TurboVomit | but i can't install it on my eeepc 701 | 00:05 |
| TurboVomit | it crash when it install the boot | 00:05 |
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| pierissimo | hi all | 00:33 |
| pierissimo | a question, i tried to run meego 1.0 on my laptop, equipped with an ati radeon that need radeon module | 00:34 |
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| pierissimo | have i to manually load it? | 00:34 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 laughs | 00:36 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | pierissimo: thank you for reading the system requirements | 00:36 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | pierissimo: MeeGo 1.0 for Netbooks is for Atom based Netbooks with Intel GPUs | 00:36 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | pierissimo: any other configuration is not supportable. | 00:36 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | so | 00:36 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | if you're wanting to load a module to handle your card, you're on your own. | 00:37 |
| pierissimo | i run it in a celerom processor | 00:37 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | thanks | 00:37 |
| pierissimo | *celeron | 00:37 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | -The Management | 00:37 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | pierissimo: that won't work either | 00:37 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | again | 00:37 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | thank you for reading the system requirements. | 00:37 |
| pierissimo | no, a moment | 00:37 |
| pierissimo | I tried meego on a celeron processor, end it works | 00:37 |
| pierissimo | celeron it's not atom | 00:38 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | then the celeron in question had SSSE3 support | 00:38 |
| pierissimo | ok, thanx | 00:38 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | however, please listen to me | 00:38 |
| pierissimo | and sorry if i am annoing | 00:38 |
| pierissimo | ciao | 00:38 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | WE DO NOT SUPPORT ANY OTHER CONFIGURATION THAN ATOM CPU'S WITH AN INTEL GPU. | 00:38 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | ciao. | 00:39 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 shakes head. | 00:39 | |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee2, but intel atoms with intel chipsets are also not the only requirement | 00:39 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | what else? | 00:40 |
| lcuk | isnt there a problem with powervr type GPUs? | 00:40 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | ah, the GMA500 stuff | 00:40 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | yeah. | 00:40 |
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| FAMM | Hi... | 00:46 |
| FAMM | Hola | 00:46 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 00:47 |
| FAMM | meego soports .. flashplayer? | 00:47 |
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| FAMM | meego soports .. flashplayer? | 00:48 |
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| FAMM | ..... | 00:51 |
| CosmoHill | supports* | 00:51 |
| CosmoHill | I think it does as there is an adobe repo | 00:51 |
| CosmoHill | but not having tried meego myself I can't confirm that | 00:51 |
| FAMM | and meego? have emesene i the repos? | 00:52 |
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| FAMM | and meego? have emesene i the repos? | 00:53 |
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| CosmoHill | you don't have to repeat yourself | 00:55 |
| CosmoHill | FAMM: can you not use youtube.com? | 00:55 |
| CosmoHill | to see if flash is installed | 00:55 |
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| FAMM | im in ubuntu... | 00:57 |
| FAMM | jejejje | 00:57 |
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| FAMM | mmm yes... | 00:59 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | chromium seems to leak memory like a sieve | 01:45 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | it has completely engulfed my swap space | 01:45 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | (which, it only allocated 256MB of swap, for my 2G of RAM in this netbook, who the hell decided that one?) | 01:45 |
| CosmoHill | TSCHAKeee2: that would explain why people have talked about problem have more than 3 tabs open | 01:46 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | increasing the swap would help the problem some | 01:49 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | but there still is the underlying problem of chrome leaking like a screen door on a submarine | 01:50 |
| thiago_home | only postpone it | 01:50 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | indeed. | 01:50 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | not to mention, i've stopped using the web tab, because it randomly decides to die. | 01:51 |
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| facet | stupid question, would i use mkisofs to convert --------------------------------------- | 01:57 |
| facet | [18:57] [facet(+Zi)] [5:freenode/#meego(+cnt)] [Act: 4] | 01:57 |
| facet | [#meego] stupid question, would i use mkisofs to convert | 01:57 |
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| facet | oops | 01:57 |
| CosmoHill | you killed badone | 01:58 |
| facet | would i use mkisofs to convert the img to iso? or do you guys provide an iso? | 01:59 |
| facet | purely accidental :)) | 01:59 |
| CosmoHill | the .img file? | 01:59 |
| facet | yes | 01:59 |
| CosmoHill | the netbook one you download? | 01:59 |
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| CosmoHill | if so you can either burn it without changing the filenamr | 02:00 |
| CosmoHill | or just rename it to .iso and burn it | 02:00 |
| facet | CosmoHill: perfect thank you kindly | 02:00 |
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| damjan | I'm just trying to use meego 1.0 on my Asus eeePC 701 (4G Surf) ... but most apps die with "Illegal instruction (core dump)" | 02:06 |
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| * timeless_mbp seems to recall the 701 being listed as unsupported | 02:10 | |
| * timeless_mbp has one | 02:10 | |
| timeless_mbp | (it's sitting around at the office waiting for someone to try it) | 02:10 |
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| damjan | the 701 has a Celeron CPU, is meego specially crafted only for Atom cpus?? | 02:13 |
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| damjan | the installation failed when installing the bootloader on the 701 too | 02:17 |
| t_s_o | intel probably want those pre-atom netbooks to die a quick death | 02:18 |
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| damjan | the 701 has a Celeron CPU, is meego specially crafted only for Atom cpus?? | 02:20 |
| damjan | the installation failed when installing the bootloader on the 701 too | 02:20 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | damjan: dude | 02:20 |
| damjan | had to boot again from usb, mount the flash drive and chroot it .. but then there was no grub installed (it seems), so I had to setup extlinux | 02:20 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | damjan: did you even bother reading the system requirements? | 02:21 |
| damjan | now it boots, the desktop shows, but many applications core dump. chromium for one | 02:21 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | AT ALL? | 02:21 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 facepalms | 02:21 | |
| * TSCHAKeee2 thwaps damjan on the head. HARD. | 02:22 | |
| damjan | TSCHAKeee2: why is it so unusual for meego to work on the 701? | 02:22 |
| damjan | it's not that the Atom is 10 generation ahead of this Celeron | 02:22 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | damjan: because the kernel, and many of the underlying bits of code are compiled for SSSE3 support | 02:22 |
| damjan | TSCHAKeee2: now that's not something I've found | 02:23 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | damjan: MeeGo requires an atom cpu, with an Intel GPU. This is what is officially supported. Period. End of Story. It is said over and over and over and over and over and over again | 02:23 |
| Vortiago | TSCHAKeee2, considering the SDK worked despite the sys-req that it was posted with worked, I can see why they don't read them. | 02:23 |
| Vortiago | *- one worked | 02:23 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | Vortiago: it just amazes me, really. It's made incredibly clear what platform this is supposed to run on | 02:23 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and that it's ONLY supported on that platform | 02:24 |
| damjan | actually it works on ARM too :) | 02:24 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | damjan: sigh. a smartass. | 02:24 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 thwaps damjan again for being an idiot. | 02:24 | |
| Vortiago | hehe | 02:24 |
| damjan | btw, the kernel boots and works fine | 02:24 |
| damjan | even X works | 02:24 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | dude | 02:24 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | DUDE | 02:24 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | APPS are segfaulting | 02:25 |
| damjan | so it's not true that everything requires SSE3 | 02:25 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | that is an indication THAT THINGS ARE NOT OKAY | 02:25 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | you're being an idiot. | 02:25 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and missing the point. | 02:25 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | when the code completely gets dropped into the public, if you REALLY WANT TO, go ahead, and build everything from scratch, to not require SSSE3 | 02:25 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and then it will work | 02:25 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and then you can distribute it | 02:26 |
| damjan | that's what I want to try | 02:26 |
| damjan | and that's why I came here | 02:26 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | not all the code is in the open yet. | 02:26 |
| damjan | you don;t need to insult imidiatelly | 02:26 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | keep an eye on the repositories. | 02:26 |
| damjan | what I'm trying to understand is which components require atom/sse3 | 02:27 |
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| * TSCHAKeee2 needs to reboot core, brb. | 02:27 | |
| arjan_ | damjan: we tell the compiler that core2 is the minimum level cpu | 02:27 |
| arjan_ | if you use floating point, the compiler will then sometimes use ssse3 | 02:28 |
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| damjan | hm, I wonder if I download firefox if it will work | 02:29 |
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| damjan | mozilla firefox seems to work.. the ui fonts are huge though :) | 02:39 |
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| damjan | now.. how do I get rid of this meego status bar (or what is it?) | 02:42 |
| CosmoHill | arjan_: I'm assuming we can download all the src.rpm files, change the configuration / CFLAGS if needed and recompile them all | 02:42 |
| CosmoHill | then create a new image via the kickstart file? | 02:42 |
| arjan_ | yep | 02:43 |
| arjan_ | it's a lot of work, that's why we don't do it | 02:43 |
| arjan_ | but you can do it if you have the time | 02:44 |
| CosmoHill | now all I need is a cluster, distcc, a cross-compiler and a clue | 02:44 |
| damjan | is there a way to have 2 keyboard layouts, and switch them?? | 02:44 |
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| CosmoHill | arjan_: if you're interested, I can't get the chroot env to work on a core 2 duo with nvidia graphics | 02:45 |
| CosmoHill | something about clutter failing to start | 02:45 |
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| CosmoHill | there is a thunder storm heading towards me so I might go offline | 02:58 |
| brokensys | hi all, was looking at Android and found links to Meego ... will/is Meego going to be a serious contender for cross-platform/device content delivery against Android? | 02:58 |
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| markatto | brokensys: It certainly aims to be. | 03:01 |
| brokensys | markatto: hi, sorry for cynicism but plety of things aim to be ... what will make Meego different? By not being Google, by being backed by Itel and Nokia? | 03:03 |
| brokensys | ... trying to make an informed choice ... easy to jump on the Goolg ebandwagon | 03:03 |
| brokensys | gah, my typing is poor today | 03:04 |
| markatto | brokensys: well nobody can predict the future, obviously | 03:05 |
| brokensys | and another significant issue is that I live in NZ, our choice of bleeding edge hardware, as in Open Source capable tech is extremely limited | 03:05 |
| markatto | I think that meego's main appeal is that it's closer to a conventional linux system | 03:05 |
| markatto | IE it has an X server and can theoretically run "normal" linux software | 03:06 |
| brokensys | fair point, i like the Android concept but are concerned about the impending channel/device lockin that may occur ... which will make Google similar to Apple, whom I dislike | 03:06 |
| markatto | It also doesn't have a lot of android's weirdness, for example the android security model is unusual | 03:06 |
| brokensys | ok, not aware of security model weirdness | 03:08 |
| markatto | every single app runs as it's own user | 03:09 |
| brokensys | ah! | 03:09 |
| brokensys | so they would need kerberos or similar to see all apps are allowed to run? | 03:10 |
| markatto | I don't know exactly how everything is implemented | 03:10 |
| brokensys | anyway reading http://wiki.meego.com => very interesting, will sign up | 03:10 |
| markatto | also, android is mostly java-based | 03:10 |
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| markatto | I'd much rather write with pyqt than java | 03:10 |
| brokensys | k, ah Meego is pygt? neat, java confuses me | 03:11 |
| arjan_ | brokensys: no | 03:11 |
| arjan_ | meego is not pyqt | 03:11 |
| markatto | it is qt | 03:11 |
| arjan_ | meego is MANY things :) | 03:11 |
| markatto | use whatever bindings you want | 03:12 |
| arjan_ | if you like python, use python | 03:12 |
| arjan_ | if you like perl.. well your poison to chose ;) | 03:12 |
| arjan_ | or C++ | 03:12 |
| brokensys | ah right, got it | 03:12 |
| markatto | I'm pretty sure some GTK stuff is being used | 03:12 |
| arjan_ | javascript qt bindings are also being worked on | 03:12 |
| markatto | but you're "supposed" to use qt | 03:12 |
| brokensys | i like the SDK gives you a virtual dev platform ... much better than device emulators | 03:13 |
| arjan_ | meego is for a bit more diversity I suppose | 03:13 |
| arjan_ | from phone to car to tv to .. to .. | 03:13 |
| brokensys | yeah wel, about time someone too the big picture (besides google) and look at interoperability of apps | 03:14 |
| markatto | in theory, I don't know how much UI work has gone into other platforms | 03:14 |
| brokensys | well* took* | 03:14 |
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| brokensys | so as a non-developer but 100% net/gadget head, where do you think i could make a contribution to Meego? | 03:15 |
| markatto | the main appeal to me is that meego has a familiar userland | 03:15 |
| markatto | from the point of view of a linux developer | 03:15 |
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| brokensys | markatto: i see the benefit of that | 03:16 |
| brokensys | as i mentioned up above, open source-based or capable gadgets are few and far between both here in NZ and AU, so i wonder if this will impact on Meego adoption ... although we really are insignificant markets | 03:17 |
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| sx0n|home | hm. seems that meegotouchtheme and meegotouch are installed in different base path by default install config. | 10:50 |
| sx0n|home | /usr/local vs. /usr | 10:51 |
| sx0n|home | taken from git repository | 10:51 |
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| sx0n|home | heh, with Finnish locale widgets gallery is called "vekotinnäyttely" | 10:57 |
| sx0n|home | but at least it started | 10:57 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 11:16 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:26 |
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| sivang | mornign Jaffa | 11:27 |
| sivang | Jaffa: what'sup? | 11:27 |
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| chickaroo | does MeeGo have CD/DVD images? I only see usb images on the website | 11:38 |
| Robot101 | chickaroo: most netbooks don't have CD/DVD drives - what would be the point? | 11:38 |
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| chickaroo | Robot101: oh, but PC's do :) | 11:39 |
| Robot101 | they have USB ports too though | 11:39 |
| lbt | sivang: there's quite a bit of momentum in the apps area now | 11:39 |
| lbt | community apps I mean | 11:39 |
| lbt | and a fair bit of interest in the QA process | 11:39 |
| lbt | building on the Extras-devel->extras-testing->extras in maemo | 11:40 |
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| lbt | we have community personnel issues though... not enough of them | 11:40 |
| chickaroo | Robot101: i'm trying to test drive this in virtualbox, but I don't see an option to mount a usb image. any idea what I can do? | 11:41 |
| sivang | lbt: right, so I have ideas how to engage and gather more community. I have to find time to work on that wiki page and add some more stuff there. | 11:41 |
| sivang | currently at work, sunday is a regular work day in .IL | 11:41 |
| lbt | heh | 11:42 |
| lbt | also we will have release timing issues and scoping issues | 11:42 |
| sivang | lbt: yes, I think it actually makes the weekend shorter and so leaves much less time to work on outside work projects. | 11:42 |
| chickaroo | hmm nevermind i see a wiki page for getting this to work in virtualbox :) | 11:42 |
| lbt | we don't know what releases there will be... | 11:42 |
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| sivang | lbt: yes, so for release timing we have to be strict, I think we should be stircter on features in favor of QA and after a year of releases to ease off and trade it off a bit. | 11:43 |
| lbt | will the community release anything for the Joggler? what about x86 laptops | 11:43 |
| * sivang googles Joggler | 11:43 | |
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| lbt | again though... don't forget that frankly, the core QA is being handled by the current maintainers and Intel/Nokia | 11:44 |
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| sivang | lbt: I do, I keep reminded of that :-) | 11:44 |
| lbt | so a more likely area to get traction is the community apps area | 11:44 |
| sivang | lbt: Why did you mention this actually? Is this a hindrence or just makes the process more conservative and less open ? | 11:45 |
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| lbt | having demonstrated competence and results on community apps we'll get that pushed into core | 11:45 |
| sivang | lbt: so given that, what can someone do to help if he witnesses internal QA is far from enough. | 11:45 |
| lbt | report bugs | 11:45 |
| lbt | establish an external QA review framework | 11:46 |
| lbt | "communicate" | 11:46 |
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| sivang | lbt: sure, but the also we're gonna have to have someone internal to breach the gap between reporter and developer - I'm actually cluesless as to how to proceed after reading the responses to: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9089 | 11:47 |
| povbot` | Bug 9089: Upgrading Maemo itself (nokia official recommended upgrade) failed with "no enough space" on target device. | 11:47 |
| sivang | lbt: and you won't believe how many people come to me a day and complain about this. | 11:47 |
| sivang | lbt: "I don't want to read wiki pages to upgrade my phone!" | 11:48 |
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| lbt | I actually agree with it :) | 11:49 |
| lbt | If you enabled extras-devel then you're at wiki-reading time | 11:49 |
| sivang | lbt: so this never happens if you don't enable extras-devel ? | 11:49 |
| lbt | correct | 11:49 |
| lbt | they simply cannot afford to support a linux OS | 11:49 |
| lbt | if it does then that is a bug | 11:50 |
| lbt | and it's a *huge* design cockup in the n900 anyway ;) | 11:50 |
| sivang | lbt: My understanding is this is a space issue, as in free filesystem space | 11:50 |
| sivang | lbt: I did not really understand why this couldn't happen with "official" apps. | 11:50 |
| lbt | optification | 11:51 |
| sivang | ahhh | 11:51 |
| sivang | okay | 11:51 |
| sivang | so at least all official apps are optified. | 11:51 |
| lbt | now there are other issues... | 11:51 |
| sivang | like? | 11:51 |
| lbt | the dpkg caches are not on /opt | 11:51 |
| sivang | At least you got to explain that. | 11:51 |
| lbt | and they're *huge* | 11:51 |
| lbt | for a small device | 11:51 |
| lbt | so the new 'ppa-like' approach may help with that | 11:52 |
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| sivang | lbt: right, some folks over here changed that manually using symlinks and toher hacks. | 11:52 |
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| lbt | we have dynamic Package files which show only packages/deps for installed apps | 11:52 |
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| sivang | lbt: what's the new-ppa like approach ? | 11:52 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/Application_QA_Process | 11:53 |
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| sivang | lbt: ah nice, is there more on that on the maemo wiki or the meego one? | 11:55 |
| lbt | I should x-link | 11:55 |
| sivang | lbt: yes, once you x-link everything under the same page, I can go over all of ti and add my cents to. | 11:56 |
| lbt | try the parent to that page | 11:56 |
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| sivang | http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service ? | 11:58 |
| sivang | okay, yes it has some more stuff. | 11:58 |
| sivang | lbt: have you also been with Ubuntu for a while? ('here be dragons, PPAs ;)) | 11:59 |
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| lbt | heh, I'm a debian bod really... and not that deep | 11:59 |
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| lbt | I found the PPA terminology though and figured I should not re-invent | 12:00 |
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| sivang | cool :) | 12:00 |
| sivang | hey timeless_mbp | 12:01 |
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| sivang | lbt: so , given your propopsal, all is left to gather community of testers around? | 12:01 |
| sivang | (trying to figure my funtion in all of this) | 12:01 |
| sivang | re that bug, I do hope that all the official pkgs are optified as to not creating this space issue | 12:04 |
| sivang | I wonder then why people had to uninstall firefox as well | 12:04 |
| sivang | err | 12:04 |
| sivang | not firefox, | 12:04 |
| sivang | Microb | 12:04 |
| sivang | to get the upgrde rolling | 12:04 |
| * sivang checks the microb package | 12:04 | |
| lbt | the other thing is that productisation is not our remit | 12:05 |
| lbt | the community won't be able to test that | 12:05 |
| sivang | lbt: define 'productisation' | 12:07 |
| lbt | a commercial product release | 12:07 |
| lbt | a company takes a snapshot of meego, takes it inside and polishes it for delivery on a device | 12:08 |
| sivang | lbt: ah yes, like Nokia for example. | 12:08 |
| sivang | or intel | 12:08 |
| lbt | yup | 12:08 |
| sivang | true | 12:08 |
| lbt | I shouldn't say "inside" | 12:08 |
| lbt | because that's not strictly required | 12:09 |
| lbt | but they will fork | 12:09 |
| sivang | well, that I have to communicate to Nokians since I Have special interest in helping the polish of the 'productized' stuff. | 12:09 |
| sivang | lbt: so there should probably be a scheme for easily snapshotting a release and enable the vendor to publish back his changes should they benefit the greater community | 12:09 |
| lbt | oh for sure there is/will be | 12:10 |
| lbt | Nokia has no interest in fixing bugs/polishing meego and not releasing it back 'properly' | 12:10 |
| lbt | doesn't make financial sense | 12:11 |
| lbt | although... part of MeeGo's job is to make sure the economics stack up | 12:11 |
| lbt | ie the QA and feedback process is efficient | 12:12 |
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| sivang | right. | 12:12 |
| sivang | so keep up economics means efficient and better screening QA. | 12:13 |
| lbt | mmm ... more allowing QA to operate efficiently I think | 12:13 |
| lbt | eg automation | 12:13 |
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| th0br0 | gday | 12:14 |
| sivang | right, so we have to stictly follow a guideline for each app providn its tests in the package, so the autobuilder could run them | 12:14 |
| th0br0 | lbt: how's the obs coming along? | 12:15 |
| lbt | hi th0br0 | 12:15 |
| lbt | I just built shopper on it | 12:15 |
| th0br0 | cool. | 12:15 |
| th0br0 | so it's working? :) | 12:15 |
| lbt | we're working on getting the http access sorted | 12:15 |
| lbt | the maemo and meego releases got in the way a bit | 12:15 |
| th0br0 | k | 12:15 |
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| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Quality | 12:27 |
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| sivang | lbt: nice | 12:36 |
| lbt | not mine | 12:36 |
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| sivang | lbt: so the package is till empty, and you guys gonna add the open sources tools from Nokia/Intel there? | 12:36 |
| sivang | lbt: (in gitorious) | 12:36 |
| * sivang wishes he had some more hours at the weekend. | 12:37 | |
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| lbt | sivang: life/work balance... | 12:38 |
| * lbt looks in a mirror and does a double take... | 12:38 | |
| sivang | lbt: yes.... | 12:38 |
| sivang | hehe | 12:39 |
| lbt | but yes; I understand so | 12:39 |
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| sivang | lbt: cool, so I'm interested in being the tutor or the educator to convey how to follow QA guidelines and help developers build packages that are in standard. | 12:41 |
| lbt | that sounds really +ve | 12:42 |
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| sx0n|home | duihome starts but gives empty/blank window on vbox, what should i do get there some content? | 12:46 |
| sx0n|home | ^meegotouch home | 12:46 |
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| jibadeeha | does meego work on the asus eeepc 1005ha | 17:37 |
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| jibadeeha | i am downloading the meego-netbook-ia32-1.0.20100524.1.img | 17:38 |
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| CosmoHill | check the listed devices on the wiki page | 17:41 |
| CosmoHill | if it has SSSE3 support and an intel graphics cards (excp GMA500) then you can run meego | 17:41 |
| jibadeeha | seems it does and tried this last week, by dd the image to a usb device but it just gives a blank screen when i boot up from it | 17:42 |
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| jibadeeha | i will try again | 17:42 |
| CosmoHill | do you get the boot loader? | 17:42 |
| jibadeeha | no i don't see grub or anything | 17:43 |
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| CosmoHill | should be a blue screen with three options | 17:44 |
| jibadeeha | i am not seeing that | 17:45 |
| jibadeeha | have just looked at a youtube clip and don't get the same | 17:45 |
| CosmoHill | what processor do you have/ | 17:45 |
| jibadeeha | intel atom | 17:45 |
| arjan_ | jibadeeha: I use the 1005ha a lot | 17:45 |
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| jibadeeha | arjan_, did you dd the image to a flash usb device | 17:46 |
| arjan_ | yes | 17:46 |
| arjan_ | dd if=<image> of=/dev/sdc | 17:46 |
| arjan_ | (sdc in my case) | 17:46 |
| jibadeeha | interesting | 17:46 |
| jibadeeha | i think i passed bs=4096 or something | 17:46 |
| arjan_ | skip that ;) | 17:46 |
| jibadeeha | okay sounds like that could be it | 17:47 |
| jibadeeha | will try it again | 17:47 |
| arjan_ | also make sure you don't do "sdc1" but "sdc" | 17:47 |
| arjan_ | (again, the "c" varies between machines) | 17:48 |
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| jibadeeha | okay going to do that | 17:49 |
| jibadeeha | thanks for your help | 17:49 |
| jibadeeha | fingers crossed | 17:49 |
| jibadeeha | i think i also do sdc1 last time as well | 17:49 |
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| CosmoHill | arjan_: how many computers do you have? | 17:50 |
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| arjan_ | I think there's about 15 in my cube at work | 17:50 |
| arjan_ | mostly for "make MeeGo run on this" reasons | 17:50 |
| CosmoHill | where do you fit in the cubical? | 17:51 |
| arjan_ | netbooks are not that big ;-) | 17:51 |
| arjan_ | I also have a pretty good layout | 17:51 |
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| arjan_ | basically 2 desks... one desk for me, one as a workbench | 17:51 |
| arjan_ | big stuff goes under the workbench, netbooks/etc on top of | 17:51 |
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| bluejeans | goodmorning meego.. | 18:39 |
| bluejeans | i need root ( or sudo ) on my live to get grub2 running....(failed on install) | 18:39 |
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| bluejeans | root password anyone? | 18:40 |
| CosmoHill | "meego" | 18:40 |
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| bluejeans | thannks CosmoHill | 18:41 |
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| jibadeeha | arjan_, thanks for your help earlier ... got meego installed now and working | 18:54 |
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| arjan_ | cool | 18:56 |
| jibadeeha | like meego, very slick | 18:57 |
| jibadeeha | interface looks so refined | 18:57 |
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| arjan_ | bluejeans: fwiw.. meego does not use grub or grub2, but syslinux | 19:09 |
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| CosmoHill | fwiw? | 19:11 |
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| DawnFoster | fwiw = for what it's worth | 19:19 |
| DawnFoster | (hi CosmoHill) | 19:19 |
| CosmoHill | (hi) | 19:19 |
| CosmoHill | (thank you) | 19:19 |
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| DawnFoster | :) | 19:19 |
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| code_astronomer | does anyone know if there are known issues when installing Meego 1.0 on an EEEPC 901? It hangs at 'Performing post-installation filesystem changes' screen | 19:38 |
| code_astronomer | using default partition layout over sda and sdb | 19:39 |
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| Sazius | I installed successfully on EeePC 901 yesterday... /boot on sda and / (root) on sdb | 19:45 |
| Sazius | ... /boot and swap on sda | 19:46 |
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| code_astronomer | Sazius: Ok ta. I think it's a drive issue with my sdb. I've managed to install to sda alone. | 19:52 |
| Sazius | I have one annoyance though with 901 and Meego: it doesn't seem to have the synaptics driver, which means I cannot disable tapping on the touchpad... which is quite annoying... | 19:54 |
| code_astronomer | what driver does it use instead? | 19:54 |
| Sazius | I don't have it booted up at the momemnt, but I think it was just recognised as a normal PS/2 mouse | 19:55 |
| code_astronomer | hmm. I'll have a look shortly. Just going to see if I can find out what's wrong with my second drive :( | 19:56 |
| Sazius | my 901 is actually the WinXP model which has a smaller sdb if I remember correctly... probably not relevant information :) | 19:58 |
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| centoslinux | Any IRC client for meego? | 20:05 |
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| thiago_home | lots of them | 20:07 |
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| centoslinux | xchat is not in the repo AFAIK | 20:09 |
| centoslinux | any other suggestion? | 20:09 |
| thiago_home | any Linux IRC client | 20:10 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | centoslinux: just set up IRC in the IM section | 20:10 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | I'm using empathy | 20:10 |
| thiago_home | if it's not in the repo, you can rebuild it | 20:10 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | which is built in | 20:10 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | just go to the im accounts button in the people tab, set up an IRC account, done. | 20:10 |
| centoslinux | ok | 20:10 |
| centoslinux | thanks both of you for the tip | 20:10 |
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| meegorocks | Hi, from Meego :) | 20:14 |
| thiago_home | hi from Norway | 20:15 |
| thiago_home | :-) | 20:15 |
| meegorocks | TSCHAKee2: thanks for tip. Didn't know Empathy had support for IRC | 20:15 |
| meegorocks | thiago_home: Norway? | 20:16 |
| thiago_home | yes | 20:16 |
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| meegorocks | thiago_home: you from there as well? | 20:16 |
| thiago_home | yes | 20:16 |
| thiago_home | nice sunny day in Oslo | 20:16 |
| meegorocks | yeah, cool weather today | 20:16 |
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| rioch | so, is meego like android and iphone in that it'll have an app store? | 20:28 |
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| rioch | or it has one already? | 20:28 |
| thiago_home | more than one even | 20:28 |
| thiago_home | there's Intel's AppUp store and Nokia's Ovi Store | 20:29 |
| thiago_home | and each device vendor may choose to use one of those or their own | 20:29 |
| rioch | nice | 20:29 |
| thiago_home | plus, there's the official source and community-maintained repositories | 20:29 |
| rioch | even better. | 20:29 |
| rioch | I notice that apps are developed in c++. Are there any python bindings? | 20:32 |
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| thiago_home | there is a Python binding to Qt | 20:33 |
| thiago_home | I haven't seen Python bindings to the rest of the API | 20:33 |
| lcuk | will there be an all in one meego app store where i can submit an application to one place and have it available to all users | 20:34 |
| rioch | deja vu | 20:34 |
| rioch | <thiago_home> more than one even | 20:34 |
| rioch | <thiago_home> there's Intel's AppUp store and Nokia's Ovi Store | 20:34 |
| rioch | <thiago_home> and each device vendor may choose to use one of those or their own | 20:34 |
| lcuk | thats not what i asked | 20:34 |
| lcuk | thiago made it clear each would have their own | 20:34 |
| lcuk | i asked about making something available on all at once | 20:35 |
| lcuk | publish to meego -> become available to people on all kinds of devices | 20:35 |
| rioch | ahhh so you did, sorry | 20:35 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: I don't know if there's one place to submit | 20:35 |
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| thiago_home | I don't know how the process of app submission will work | 20:37 |
| thiago_home | note that the goal is to have a big number of quality apps and that apps work across devices, so there should be a way, eventually | 20:38 |
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| lcuk | well yeah thiago_home thats why i asked to clarify | 20:38 |
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| thiago_home | at least for open source apps it will probably be very easy | 20:38 |
| thiago_home | for paid ones, that might get complex because of the payment methods | 20:39 |
| thiago_home | the Ovi Store can charge to your phone bill... which means you must be buying from your phone | 20:39 |
| Sebas1 | hey. anyone know wht my backlight is not on when booting? | 20:39 |
| lcuk | so if i buy a meego app on my netbook i have to buy it again for my handheld? | 20:40 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: unknown | 20:40 |
| lcuk | or rather for my various handhelds | 20:40 |
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| w00t_ | depends how the store and the vendor of your device works I'd guess | 20:41 |
| thiago_home | commercial apps, you need to ask to the vendor that you bought the app from | 20:41 |
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| thiago_home | that's beyond meego.com | 20:41 |
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| lcuk | not really beyond meego, its implicit and something that meego should be planning and organising for | 20:42 |
| thiago_home | I disagree | 20:43 |
| thiago_home | meego should be somehow planning for it, but in the end it's up to the companies that are selling stuff | 20:43 |
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| thiago_home | it's a commercial service | 20:43 |
| lcuk | all the talk of single sign on and being onboard meego would be a bit pointless if i then have to go to both intel and nokia and wherever to then get the apps for my meego device | 20:43 |
| thiago_home | it's like asking meego to organise your mobile phone's subscription plans | 20:43 |
| thiago_home | meego.com is open source (only) | 20:44 |
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| thiago_home | that's what it organises, that's what it cares about | 20:44 |
| lcuk | whats it on a .com for then? | 20:44 |
| w00t_ | at the end of the day, nobody can really stop someone opening an appstore that only sells to device $x.. by the very reasoning of it being open | 20:44 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: because someone thought it was best to buy the .com domain name | 20:44 |
| thiago_home | could just as well have been a .org for all I care | 20:44 |
| thiago_home | maybe it should have been | 20:45 |
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| w00t_ | afaik someone else had bought up the .org at some point | 20:45 |
| w00t_ | which kind of prevents it from being used | 20:45 |
| thiago_home | but the point is that MeeGo is a Linux Foundation (linux.com, lf.org, linuxfoundation.org) project and it's open-source-only | 20:46 |
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| thiago_home | w00t_: they would have to have bought it before meego.com launched and the brand was announced | 20:47 |
| thiago_home | doing so after the brand is announced is a blatant misuse and the domain can be retrieved by the registrars | 20:47 |
| w00t_ | which they did | 20:47 |
| w00t_ | .org was purchased in 2009 | 20:47 |
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| thiago_home | Created On:01-Nov-2008 12:55:18 UTC | 20:47 |
| w00t_ | ah, 2008 even? I thought it was later | 20:48 |
| lcuk | a one stop shop for all meego stuff would be the better mechanism really, a superstore that i can walk in and get everything i need | 20:48 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: I completely agree | 20:48 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: and nothing stops someone coming up with one | 20:48 |
| w00t_ | and market forces probably mean they'll win | 20:48 |
| thiago_home | and I hope there is such a thing | 20:48 |
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| thiago_home | but that's entirely up for any company to decide to invest in | 20:49 |
| thiago_home | whether Intel or Nokia plan on doing it, I have no clue | 20:49 |
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| lcuk | the Mobile Application Experience Meego Optimized store (or the MAEMO store) ;) | 20:52 |
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| w00t_ | that smells like bacronym :-P | 20:55 |
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| lcuk | w00t_, with plenty of bacon too :P | 20:55 |
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| Sebas1 | how can I fix this? | 21:00 |
| Sebas1 | Write failed after 0 bytes | 21:00 |
| Sebas1 | usb_bulk_write: No error | 21:00 |
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| CosmoHill | If anyone is interested there was a motorbike manufacturer called Mego from 1962 to 1992 | 22:24 |
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| DawnFoster | There was also a sci-fi TV show in the US called MeeGo | 22:25 |
| CosmoHill | oh yes that was something to ask about | 22:25 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, was it any good? | 22:25 |
| CosmoHill | where did the name "meego" come from? | 22:25 |
| DawnFoster | No idea - never saw it :) | 22:25 |
| DawnFoster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meego | 22:25 |
| DawnFoster | it only lasted a few months | 22:26 |
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| DawnFoster | never even heard of it until they named this project | 22:26 |
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| lcuk | o_O i didnt think that wikipedia allowed case sensitive pages | 22:26 |
| DawnFoster | I didn't either :) | 22:27 |
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| CosmoHill | I did | 22:27 |
| CosmoHill | it annoyed me | 22:27 |
| CosmoHill | you typed "dodge viper" did you mean "Dodge Viper"? | 22:27 |
| lcuk | have you guys had nice weekend? | 22:29 |
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| CosmoHill | reasonable nice, hayfever sucks tho | 22:29 |
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| lcuk | bleugh CosmoHill | 22:31 |
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| Erkan_Yilmaz_ | CosmoHill, there was someone saying in the forum about that: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=154 | 22:33 |
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| CosmoHill | I bet you there is a develop somewhere when asked "who wants to go to a linux convention" anwsered "meego!" | 22:34 |
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| Erkan_Yilmaz_ | :-) | 22:38 |
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| CosmoHill | meego is a bit like xkcd in that respects | 22:39 |
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| CosmoHill | only you can say it as a word | 22:39 |
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| sandst1 | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=154 | 22:40 |
| sandst1 | whoops, just a n00b playing with putty here : P | 22:41 |
| CosmoHill | I just turned my side lamp on and my subwoofer turned on too | 22:43 |
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| pto | evening all | 23:38 |
| pto | have anyone tried meego 1.0 on the Eee 901? | 23:38 |
| CosmoHill | pretty sure they have | 23:38 |
| pto | at my place it burns down | 23:39 |
| CosmoHill | http://meego.com/devices/netbook/supported-hardware-platforms | 23:39 |
| pto | I also found that | 23:39 |
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| pto | but ... | 23:39 |
| Quu | oh yeah, everything works on acer aspire one a110l | 23:40 |
| Quu | atleast for couple days been good | 23:40 |
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| pto | On Eee 901 I have SQUASHFS errors | 23:41 |
| Sazius | Meego 1.0 works fine on my EeePC 901. Only annoying thing is I cannot disable tapping on the touchpad. | 23:41 |
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| pto | Sazius: did you take the Chrome edition or the normal one? | 23:41 |
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| Sazius | the normal one, i.e. with Chromium (no Google EULA) | 23:42 |
| Sazius | I put /boot and swap on sda (smaller SSD drive) and / (root) on sdb (bigger SSD) | 23:43 |
| pto | I see the rat | 23:44 |
| pto | the md5sum is br0ke | 23:44 |
| pto | re-downloading... | 23:44 |
| pto | Have any of you tried the Meego 1.0 on N900 | 23:44 |
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| pto | I heard that it gets you to a vanilla Xterm | 23:45 |
| pto | and no further | 23:45 |
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| thiago_home | pto: that's correct | 23:46 |
| Quu | iirc there is no phone gui ready | 23:46 |
| Quu | or something like that | 23:46 |
| pto | any phone functionality in Meego 1.0? | 23:47 |
| pto | or do I have to use STTY commands to dial a number :) | 23:48 |
| thiago_home | the phone middleware is there | 23:48 |
| thiago_home | there is no phone app | 23:48 |
| thiago_home | and I'm not sure the drivers will work on the N900 yet | 23:48 |
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