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| CosmoHill | hi | 00:01 |
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| JayElOpia | how do i start developing with or on meegoand what do i need | 00:06 |
| CosmoHill | I think you need the SDK creator program | 00:08 |
| happyblob | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=109 | 00:08 |
| JayElOpia | how do i get the program? | 00:09 |
| DawnFoster | Here's some additional documentation on getting started: http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_Meego_Environment | 00:10 |
| CosmoHill | post 3 | 00:10 |
| CosmoHill | *4 | 00:10 |
| CosmoHill | hey daw | 00:10 |
| CosmoHill | hey DawnFoster | 00:10 |
| CosmoHill | enjoying the weather? | 00:10 |
| DawnFoster | hey cosmohill | 00:10 |
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| CosmoHill | we've had 8 non-stop days of nice weather | 00:11 |
| DawnFoster | we've had crappy weather - cold, rain | 00:11 |
| CosmoHill | I'm predicting the weather will turn crap as soon as school is out for the summer | 00:11 |
| JayElOpia | thanks | 00:12 |
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| JayElOpia | if i run into any hiccups | 00:12 |
| CosmoHill | see JayElOpia, we're not evil | 00:12 |
| JayElOpia | i'll be sure to cry | 00:12 |
| JayElOpia | ok | 00:12 |
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| JayElOpia | @CosmoHill thabks for the vote of confidence... i was just treading softly | 00:13 |
| JayElOpia | *thanks | 00:14 |
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| CosmoHill | ^.^ | 00:20 |
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| TSCHAKeee | maaan | 00:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | a lot of very pissed off people that flash 10.1 isn't coming to maemo 5. | 00:40 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 00:40 |
| CosmoHill | I have 10.1 RC and it's goodish | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | did anyone confirm anything regarding that? | 00:40 |
| CosmoHill | better performance than 10 and doesn't seem to crash as much | 00:41 |
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| * GAN900 wonders | 01:20 | |
| GAN900 | Maemo doesn't necessarily mean not N900. | 01:20 |
| TSCHAKeee | *nod* | 01:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | problem is, Nokia has done a bang up job confusing everyone | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | now it's more GAN900 who confuses me with his statement ;-) | 01:22 |
| TSCHAKeee | THE WHITE ZONE | 01:22 |
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| TSCHAKeee | IS FOR LOADING AND UNLOADING | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | GO TO THE WHITE ZONE | 01:23 |
| arjan | VIOLATORS WILL BE TOAD | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | IT'S A WAY OF LIFE | 01:23 |
| CosmoHill | WHY IS EVERYONE SHOUTING? | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | TSCHAKeee started it ;-) | 01:23 |
| TSCHAKeee | heheheh | 01:23 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably every word of F.Zappa is conceived bold and loud | 01:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | hehehe | 01:24 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Joe's Garage FTMFW | 01:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 01:24 |
| GAN900 | TSCHAKeee, yeah, they're good at that. | 01:26 |
| GAN900 | They love flashy announcements | 01:26 |
| GAN900 | but they hate saying anything negative. | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: what is ""Maemo doesn't necessarily mean not N900""? | 01:27 |
| GAN900 | and sometimes they hate saying anything at all. | 01:27 |
| GAN900 | +Not at the beginning. | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 01:27 |
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| TSCHAKeee | i look around, and I see | 01:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | hordes | 01:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | of pissed off people | 01:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ol | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 01:28 |
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| TSCHAKeee | i mean, pissed off users are a given in any community | 01:29 |
| TSCHAKeee | but nokia isn't doing anything to put out fires. | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least they somehow stopped blowing into it | 01:29 |
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| GAN900 | lol | 01:32 |
| GAN900 | Yeah, well, Nokia as a company still isn't behind Maemo | 01:32 |
| GAN900 | So it's no surprise. | 01:32 |
| GAN900 | Nor MeeGo | 01:33 |
| GAN900 | Anssi the dinosaur | 01:33 |
| GAN900 | It's like that Trout Fishing in America song | 01:33 |
| GAN900 | except he doesn't have to wish. | 01:33 |
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| rykario_ | does any one know how to get meego running on the always innovating touchbook? | 03:53 |
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| TSCHAKeee | rykario_, it hasn't been done yet | 03:55 |
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| rykario_ | I am aware that the touchbook is based off of the beagle board but I've made several attempts with those instructions and have had no luck | 03:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | interesting, where are you getting stuck? | 03:56 |
| rykario_ | so far I was using the wireless and other files from /etc from the touchbook os (wireless and touch specifically) but I have only gotten megoo to show a boot screen after which it either freezes or stays on that boot screen | 03:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | hm | 03:58 |
| rykario_ | frankly though I've had little luck with the device on the whole seems that it has very limited support | 03:59 |
| happyblob | have you tried asking in meego-arm? | 04:03 |
| rykario_ | no this is the first place I have asked | 04:04 |
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| happyblob | i think they're working hard towards the n900 at the moment but plan to target more arm hardware in the near future, but i couldn't guess if/when touchbook support would come | 04:06 |
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| TSCHAKeee | *scratch-head* ... so we have the qml stuff... but they're targeting mobile stuff first.... but we're seeing the Netbook UX firrst.... ... wha? | 06:47 |
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| reshwindblade | hmm, MeeGo going to be using WebKit right? but Maemo is Gecko? | 07:57 |
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| Stskeeps | REMINDER: N900 hardware adaptation team meeting in 30 minutes in #meego-meeting , agenda on http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900#Next_meeting - yes, we had a meeting yesterday and today too ;) | 08:31 |
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| Stskeeps | REMINDER: N900 hardware adaptation team meeting in 5 minutes in #meego-meeting , agenda on http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900#Next_meeting | 08:55 |
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| crashanddie | so what exactly is the thing about meeting times in MeeGo? | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 11:39 |
| crashanddie | I mean, when I was in Australia, all the meetings were happening after 2AM, and now that I'm in Europe, they're happening at 7AM (well, an improvement at least) | 11:39 |
| crashanddie | but whose idea is it to put meetings at 6AM UTC, can someone point out the rationale of it when announcing meetings rather than just randomly changing times? | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | we've always at the n900 meeting at 6am utc | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | TSG and others are usually later in the day | 11:40 |
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| odin_ | right thats it, someone setup a "google calendar" for meego events and stick it up on a wiki | 11:41 |
| crashanddie | lol, odin_ the troll is actually saying "right, that's it"? Nice. | 11:41 |
| odin_ | call it "MeeGo Working Groups" | 11:41 |
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| freiksenet2 | hello! is there any lisp or scheme available on meego? (apart from emacs lisp) | 13:08 |
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| bpeel | freiksenet2: I think there's a package for guile | 13:14 |
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| freiksenet2 | bpeel: ok, thanks | 13:36 |
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| pupnik | "There are quite a few things in this area I want to work on such as automating builds of new test versions of the OS users can just extract to an SD to try and provide feedback on...." | 13:41 |
| pupnik | meego should do this | 13:41 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, EVERY os should do this | 13:47 |
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| pupnik | why cant we manually assist the gps lock? | 13:53 |
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| Surfa | I assume you mean gps fix.. how did you plan to do that? | 13:55 |
| Surfa | gps receiver needs to get satellite calendar in every case and it may be a little difficult to help it manually | 13:56 |
| linuxcentos | any news on upoming meego smart phones? | 13:58 |
| linuxcentos | upcoming* | 13:58 |
| pupnik | Surfa: look up agps | 13:58 |
| Surfa | pupnik, yes, and it changes the case how? :) | 13:59 |
| pupnik | other data (celltower) is used to tell gps where you are | 13:59 |
| pupnik | that speeds fix by 1000x sometimes | 13:59 |
| Surfa | partly true | 13:59 |
| pupnik | could also be user-input | 13:59 |
| pupnik | very silly that is not implemented on n900 | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | that's called agps.. | 14:00 |
| Surfa | agps not implemented? are you sure | 14:00 |
| Surfa | because it certainly is | 14:01 |
| pupnik | no user assist iks implemented | 14:01 |
| pupnik | -k | 14:01 |
| pupnik | see the linem right above it? | 14:01 |
| pupnik | that is called context | 14:01 |
| Surfa | which device has that sort of implementation? | 14:01 |
| pupnik | none i know | 14:02 |
| pupnik | why not | 14:02 |
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| Surfa | there are reasons | 14:08 |
| Surfa | may be found in agps docs you referres | 14:08 |
| Surfa | d | 14:08 |
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| CosmoHill | "I'm obsessed with the mess that's America" << good lyric :) | 15:41 |
| reshwindblade | that was rather random... | 15:41 |
| w00t_ | welcome to CosmoHill | 15:41 |
| CosmoHill | yes, it does help that I'm watching a music channel | 15:42 |
| reshwindblade | i am reading how windows phone 7 development will fail due to the restricted APIs and no native SDK support | 15:42 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, its about time you took your medication :p | 15:42 |
| CosmoHill | I haven't taken it since september | 15:42 |
| CosmoHill | 2008 | 15:42 |
| CosmoHill | >.> | 15:42 |
| CosmoHill | <.< | 15:43 |
| crashanddie | taken "them" | 15:43 |
| reshwindblade | ah brb ill check logs later dinner time | 15:43 |
| CosmoHill | thanks crashanddie | 15:43 |
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| Andy___ | Hello, where has the ARM package gone ? | 16:10 |
| Andy___ | packages | 16:10 |
| CosmoHill | north wales | 16:12 |
| CosmoHill | it was a good time of year | 16:12 |
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| Andy___ | seriously, are the rpm packages for ARM permanently deleted ? | 16:29 |
| lcuk | well if someone downloaded them before they can put em up again? or rebuild from source? | 16:30 |
| Andy___ | sure its possible, but since they are gone now, is that by accident or intentional ? | 16:31 |
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| happyblob | Andy___ newbie here so might have the wrong end of the stick but this is in the irc logs for the meego-arm meeting this morning: | 16:37 |
| happyblob | 08:37 < Sage> During last 24h the arm repositories for "codedrop" have been removed so images for that can not be even made by users anyore. | 16:37 |
| happyblob | 08:38 < Sage> kad: any news when any arm repositories will come back online? | 16:37 |
| happyblob | 08:39 < kad> Sage: no. anas already gone sleeping I assume, so next cance for me to ask is after 9 hours | 16:37 |
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| happyblob | not sure if that tells you what you're looking for | 16:38 |
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| Andy___ | happyblob: ok, thanks | 16:38 |
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| Andy___ | seems to be more than me that are missing them | 16:39 |
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| Nadley | hi everybody | 20:11 |
| pupnik | huhu | 20:12 |
| CosmoHill | Hi Dr Nadley | 20:12 |
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| Nadley | I read a news and I would like to know if is it true. Nokia said that they didn't build a rom of Meego for the N900 | 20:13 |
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| * TSCHAK facepalms | 20:13 | |
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| zaheerm-lp | Nadley, nokia will not provide support or any official nokia meego upgrade for maemo5 | 20:14 |
| Nadley | ok :( | 20:14 |
| zaheerm-lp | Nadley, however meego the project will provide builds for n900 | 20:14 |
| TSCHAK | Nadley, Nokia will not support MeeGo officially. This means, you can't call them up at Nokia Care about it. However, this does not mean, that a MeeGo installation is being done for the N900 | 20:14 |
| TSCHAK | isn't rather | 20:14 |
| TSCHAK | it means that the MeeGo community will provide the images | 20:14 |
| happyblob | have a look at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM | 20:14 |
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| * TSCHAK idly wonders how many times we'll have to repeat this. | 20:15 | |
| CosmoHill | TSCHAKwe need a bot like sploosh | 20:15 |
| TSCHAK | yeah | 20:15 |
| CosmoHill | Sploosh is a bot I use on my support channels | 20:15 |
| CosmoHill | we say a command and it gives a pre-programed response | 20:15 |
| lcuk | not that it matters | 20:16 |
| arjan | there's also the fun part of getting a device through certification | 20:16 |
| zaheerm-lp | Nadley, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53571 | 20:16 |
| lcuk | meego isnt technically a nokia project is it? | 20:16 |
| lcuk | its a linux foundation one | 20:16 |
| TSCHAK | correct. | 20:16 |
| Nadley | ok cool because I will buy a N900 and I'll be very interrested to try meego | 20:16 |
| CosmoHill | shell I fetch the bot? | 20:16 |
| lcuk | i would not expect nokia to support me installing MS Windows on my n900 | 20:16 |
| happyblob | Nadley, you should be able to, but it will be at your own risk thats all | 20:17 |
| TSCHAK | Nadley, at this point, don't install it unless you're a developer, and understand that everything is currently a work in progress... | 20:17 |
| lcuk | however brilliantly we could get it running | 20:17 |
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| CosmoHill | for some reason I read that as "windows 2000 on my N900" | 20:17 |
| lcuk | wouldnt be a bad thing | 20:17 |
| zaheerm-lp | lcuk, but you would expect them to support you reinstalling windows 7 on your nokia booklet | 20:17 |
| CosmoHill | true | 20:17 |
| CosmoHill | Windows 2000 is very fast compared to XP when using Virtual PC on my mac | 20:17 |
| lcuk | zaheerm-lp, if my booklet came with windows 7, sure | 20:17 |
| lcuk | (i dont know what it has) | 20:17 |
| Nadley | I'm not planning to install it before it works well | 20:17 |
| zaheerm-lp | lcuk, it does | 20:17 |
| zaheerm-lp | Nadley, define: work well | 20:18 |
| TSCHAK | yup guys, get your macros ready for the flood of "OHEMGEE, IS IT TROO THAT MEEGO NO WORKY ON N900?!" | 20:18 |
| lcuk | ok then zaheerm-lp sure, same as nokia will support you using maemo on n900 | 20:18 |
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| zaheerm-lp | Nadley, the meego images will not necessarily include the same ui that nokia will put on their meego devices | 20:18 |
| lcuk | will meego work on the booklet tho | 20:18 |
| * lcuk ducks | 20:18 | |
| TSCHAK | nor will it necessarily work with things like the Ovi Store | 20:18 |
| zaheerm-lp | lcuk, no they have gma500 | 20:18 |
| lcuk | zaheerm-lp, THAT i dont agree with :P | 20:19 |
| lcuk | either of your last 2 posts | 20:19 |
| lcuk | tho i suppose if it was a totally open project we could do it | 20:19 |
| lcuk | i suppose a community ux could be made :D | 20:19 |
| TSCHAK | please understand, Meego on the N900 means that those involved will get MeeGo running to the best of their ability on the device, filling in the gaps with closed source code as needed to support hardware... but this is a reference distribution....intended to facilitate development. | 20:19 |
| Nadley | ok I understand when I said "work well" I mean the image are stable and the developpement complete | 20:20 |
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| TSCHAK | Nadley, define "complete" | 20:20 |
| TSCHAK | :) | 20:20 |
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| zaheerm-lp | lcuk, yes i think nokia should give a licence to their binary stuff that they put on their devices that allow you to use it on other devices sold by nokia | 20:21 |
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| zaheerm-lp | lcuk, therefore allowing a community image for n900 that would have similar ui to next meego device | 20:21 |
| * lcuk wonders how we can be discussing binary userspace applications anyway | 20:21 | |
| lcuk | or rather, why | 20:21 |
| lcuk | if they want uptake and remixes and modificaitons and community - it must be open | 20:22 |
| TSCHAK | zaheerm-lp, basically the "Meego" UX's themselves are reference. | 20:22 |
| zaheerm-lp | so the real question is what part of their UX will be closed.. | 20:22 |
| lcuk | well we know everything upto the command line is open so far :D | 20:23 |
| TSCHAK | zaheerm-lp, they will most likely be completely replaced by the target vendor.. see Nokia with Harmattan | 20:23 |
| zaheerm-lp | will it just be apps, themes and colour schemes or will it be as far as a completely diffeent UX | 20:23 |
| lcuk | TSCHAK, if every vendor has to replace every user space application completely from scratch it will fail | 20:23 |
| Nadley | TSCHAK: "complete " like Maemo actually I mean fully working with small issues | 20:23 |
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| TSCHAK | lcuk, they don't HAVE to | 20:24 |
| TSCHAK | lcuk, they just WILL | 20:24 |
| TSCHAK | lcuk, differentiation and all. | 20:24 |
| lcuk | if the userspace is incomplete with closed apps then it will fail | 20:24 |
| lcuk | unless differentiation means closed apps and a bitmap logo | 20:24 |
| zaheerm-lp | Nadley, the meego images will not support skype im/audio/video for example, it is a closed component of maemo5 | 20:24 |
| zaheerm-lp | lcuk, yes lets hope differentiation is just css, a few closed apps, and images... | 20:25 |
| lcuk | lets hope the differntiation CAN go further if required | 20:25 |
| zaheerm-lp | but i am cynical and i think it'll be more than that | 20:25 |
| lcuk | thats horrid and slimey and not open source friendly if its the only mechanism | 20:25 |
| clipartcat | TSCHAK, nokia sucks again big time. First iPhone has been updated untill now to new version. | 20:25 |
| clipartcat | same as with s60 | 20:26 |
| zaheerm-lp | and we could have what happened with symbian where you had s60, uiq etc. | 20:26 |
| clipartcat | new shitty devices, never mind updating them | 20:26 |
| * TSCHAK shakes head | 20:26 | |
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| TSCHAK | more trolls | 20:26 |
| Nadley | zaheerm-lp: I know that about skype and other but can I hope for open protocols like xmmp and other ? | 20:26 |
| clipartcat | whey then don't release version without multitouch for n900 | 20:26 |
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| TSCHAK | clipartcat, do you honestly want the answer? | 20:27 |
| TSCHAK | it's very simple | 20:27 |
| Lazy^ | Is the repo for n900 chroot .img down ? | 20:27 |
| lcuk | re: multitouch i wonder what happens if i only touch uber multitouch device with 1 finger | 20:27 |
| lcuk | and would i need multitple frozen sausages to operate it in winter | 20:27 |
| zaheerm-lp | Nadley, yah i believe the free software protocols will be there as part of the telepathy packages | 20:27 |
| TSCHAK | nokia can't realistically support a device with multiple operating systems that people can flash between. | 20:27 |
| clipartcat | TSCHAK, Nokia is so busy sucking with it's business model so it doesn't have resources to pull a version for n900 | 20:27 |
| TSCHAK | clipartcat, care to keep talking out of your ass? | 20:28 |
| lcuk | clipartcat, qt: code anywhere, develop once, deploy anywhere" isnt that the mantra? | 20:28 |
| clipartcat | like s60 is been for 10years and apple got 10000x more developers in a month :) | 20:28 |
| TSCHAK | oh fucking hell | 20:28 |
| TSCHAK | troll | 20:28 |
| clipartcat | well not really. I think it really sucks :D | 20:29 |
| zaheerm-lp | clipartcat, be happy the same nokia has made the device open enough that you can flash your own OS onto it without any hw mods | 20:29 |
| * TSCHAK is NOT going to go into the Apps myth again | 20:29 | |
| Nadley | zaheerm-lp: nice I can hope for a fully open-source and compliants with the standars OS for a smartphone | 20:29 |
| zaheerm-lp | Nadley, with a few binary blobs for n900 hw support, yes | 20:30 |
| clipartcat | zaheerm-lp, well sometimes I just think that maybe closed device that is actually working could be better. | 20:30 |
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| zaheerm-lp | clipartcat, tell that to the people that bought an htc hero and have been kept waiting many more months than we have for any os update | 20:31 |
| Nadley | ok and who is going to make the rom for the N900 ? Can we have both Maemo and Meego in dual boot ? | 20:31 |
| zaheerm-lp | Nadley, there is talk that dual boot will come, lets wait and see | 20:31 |
| pupnik | is not gameboy. no roms | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | Nadley: search meego-dev for 'kexec' and that's current status. | 20:31 |
| happyblob | Nadley: check out http://wiki.meego.com/ARM | 20:31 |
| Nadley | ok thanks | 20:31 |
| Nadley | happyblob: I'm reading it ;) | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | think it's a good time to make a hot cup of tea. | 20:32 |
| CosmoHill | http://iphonetheif.blogspot.com/2010/01/iphone-theif-bust.html << how to stalk the crap out of someone | 20:38 |
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| clipartcat | pr1.2 finally fixes these kerning issues with browser. wonder what kind of quality control there is @ nokia when people are stuck half a year with browser like it was. | 20:40 |
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| zaheerm-lp | the browser was much better than most mobile browsers out there even with the stock firmware when you get the device | 20:42 |
| lcuk | clipartcat, quit the trolling, it was a bug thats all | 20:43 |
| CosmoHill | mine just charged you 50p for going online and then not actually letting you go online | 20:43 |
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| slaine | I see it's someone left the door open again | 20:48 |
| TSCHAK | we need a doorman that can ask a random question to determine relative intelligence. :P | 20:49 |
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| * slaine yawns and stretches | 20:52 | |
| slaine | man, what a day | 20:52 |
| clipartcat | i always tought it was the intelligent people who aren't never satisfied what they get. | 20:52 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: indeed.. a long one here, really tired | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | a lot of arguments | 20:55 |
| slaine | I was in a management meeting for most of the day | 20:55 |
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| slaine | constructive, but sucked | 20:55 |
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| brbrr | hi! | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | evening | 20:56 |
| brbrr | when meego will be releace? | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: i'm just praising myself happy there's people who 'get' what meego actually is | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | ie, what power it actually is | 20:57 |
| slaine | brbrr: RSN | 20:57 |
| frals | Stskeeps, told you to stay clear of #maemo today ;-) | 20:57 |
| brbrr | slaine: RSN? | 20:57 |
| slaine | Real Soon Now | 20:58 |
| brbrr | its like less than week? | 20:58 |
| slaine | I'd imagine sometime before next Tuesday | 20:58 |
| slaine | We where told by the end of this month, so that doesn't leave much time | 20:58 |
| brbrr | and is there any info about features of it? | 20:59 |
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| slaine | everything that we know is on the website | 21:00 |
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| CosmoHill | My laptop is 66'C, go youtube! | 21:02 |
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| inz | Cosmo, 66 minutes Celsius? | 21:05 |
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| CosmoHill | no | 21:07 |
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| slaine | alright folks, catch you all tomorrow | 21:18 |
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| luist | hey i rebuilt a moblin application in suse, and im getting this error: http://pastie.org/976760 what could it be? | 22:06 |
| arjan | that seems to use clutter | 22:07 |
| arjan | so it's not a meego application | 22:07 |
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| luist | arjan, well some ppl here were helping me with some moblin applications few days ago.. | 22:11 |
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| CosmoHill | forum* | 22:39 |
| CosmoHill | if he doesn't respond to my PM / warning but puts his sig back to the way it was I'll ban him | 22:39 |
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| thiago_home | how big is the PR1.2 thread now? | 23:45 |
| thiago_home | PR1.2 is out :-) | 23:45 |
| arjan | in UK only | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: not sure which is bigger, pr1.2 thread or 'no commercial meego for n900' | 23:45 |
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| * thiago_home needs to upgrade his PR1.2 to the newer PR1.2 | 23:46 | |
| cure` | finally | 23:46 |
| thiago_home | using pre-release images sucks... | 23:46 |
| cure` | reflash in week or two | 23:46 |
| cure` | +a | 23:47 |
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| janneg | arjan: images for manual flashing are available | 23:54 |
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