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| summel | how do i change my keyboard layout? :o also does wpasupplicant work? i.e. will i be able to connect to a wlan using the terminal? :) | 04:06 |
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| summel | Ah got the keyboard layout :) and since theres a wpa supplicant im just going to assume it works :D | 04:37 |
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| summel | since i can successfully use iwlist scan it should \o/ | 04:38 |
| summel | Hmmm but updating does not work :( i always get IO Errors :/ | 04:39 |
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| gxenusmil | Good morning guys!! | 10:48 |
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| gxenusmil | I'm trying install Meego on a Asus EEEPC 900 but I can not start the livecd | 10:52 |
| gxenusmil | the X server doesn't start | 10:52 |
| gxenusmil | any clues ? | 10:52 |
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| pupnik | xserver log gxenusmil | 11:14 |
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| vincenzo | Hi I'm a lecturer at "Università degli Studi di Siena", I would like to compare about meego/android at the kernel+stack level... but I can't find anything about meego's kernel | 13:21 |
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| thiago_home | it's a stock Linux kernel | 13:22 |
| vincenzo | thiago_home: aren't there any android like PM patches? | 13:23 |
| vincenzo | thiago_home: I mean, no optimizations needed to make the devices last longer? | 13:23 |
| vincenzo | (s/device/battery/g) | 13:23 |
| thiago_home | if android submitted them upstream to the kernel, then they are in meego's too | 13:23 |
| vincenzo | thiago_home: that is the point... android did, but they have not been accepted (yet, but some bits I doubt will)... | 13:25 |
| thiago_home | when they are, they'll be in meego's too | 13:25 |
| thiago_home | Nokia has submitted its patches upstream | 13:25 |
| thiago_home | OMAP3 multimedia, GPRS/3G support, etc. | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | a lot of PM stuff on omap3.. | 13:26 |
| vincenzo | thiago_home, Stskeeps: is there any reference anywhere about the patches? | 13:26 |
| thiago_home | all in LKML | 13:26 |
| thiago_home | it's only a quarter million emails per year to sift through | 13:27 |
| vincenzo | hehe, indeed! | 13:27 |
| thiago_home | you can also search the kernel's Git log | 13:27 |
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| thiago_home | Nokia is the 4th contributor to the kernel | 13:28 |
| vincenzo | any hint about the developer names or maybe a copyright notice I can search for? | 13:28 |
| thiago_home | well, Nokia's and Intel's | 13:28 |
| thiago_home | and Intel is the 2nd | 13:28 |
| thiago_home | so you're in for a lot of data | 13:29 |
| vincenzo | hehe, that would make >=50% of kernel patches :-) | 13:29 |
| vincenzo | maybe knowing the name of the relevant submitters would help a little bit more :-) | 13:30 |
| thiago_home | I'd say search for recent contributions and anything related to ARM | 13:30 |
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| Stskeeps | vincenzo: nokia.com | 13:31 |
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| vincenzo | thiago_home, Stskeeps: tnx... I will do my homework :-) | 13:32 |
| thiago_home | as for the rest of the stack, in MeeGo it's a standard Linux distribution | 13:32 |
| thiago_home | in Android, it isn't | 13:32 |
| vincenzo | thiago_home: yes, meego stack looks great with Qt on top of it ;-) | 13:33 |
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| vincenzo | thiago_home: in principle, if android patches gets merged upstream, one could run android apps on meego... the other way around looks more problematic to me... | 13:35 |
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| thiago_home | it looks like you skipped half a dozen steps in the stack in that statement | 13:35 |
| pupnik___ | vincenzo: there are some good posts explaining why that is difficult | 13:35 |
| thiago_home | android apps ara Java, compiled into Dalvik bytecode, and they use Skia for a graphics system and WM | 13:36 |
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| thiago_home | that has nothing to do with the kernel patches | 13:36 |
| vincenzo | thiago_home: I'm in the pre-homework-done phase yet :-) | 13:36 |
| vincenzo | thiago_home: but I read that android exposes a lot of PM and Binder stuff to the userspace. | 13:37 |
| vincenzo | pupnik___: do you have any link handy? | 13:37 |
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| thiago_home | whatever they do, it must go through a layer of adaptation | 13:38 |
| thiago_home | which could be done in any other distribution too | 13:39 |
| thiago_home | I have no idea what Binder is | 13:39 |
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| vincenzo | thiago_home: binder is an in-kernel IPC facility http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBinder | 13:49 |
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| tmzt | the actual android patches to the kernel are very minor, but there are hardware-specific interfaces that are only used by the android userspace | 13:59 |
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| vincenzo | tmzt: reading this http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/11/04/#20091104-android_mythbusters looks like android kernel changes are bigger than "minor" | 14:18 |
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| tmzt | he mixed userspace and kernel issues (udev is a userspace issue) | 14:24 |
| tmzt | by minor I mean that adding them to a kernel doesn't really affect it, there's no incompatibility | 14:24 |
| tmzt | that's not the case with the hardware related api changes, even fbdev is changed in an incompatible way | 14:24 |
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| write__erase | Did you see any official anouncement for the meego Conference 2010 in Dublin ? http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010 is not really explicit . Thx | 14:29 |
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| summel | are there any instructions on how to install/upgrad successfully | 15:31 |
| summel | everytime i try an update i get an IO error and then i have to rewrite the image to my usb stick :o | 15:31 |
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| Cosmo[PB] | :D | 15:48 |
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| Stskeeps | your lecturer found these logs? | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:12 |
| CosmoHill | my hayfever is playing up today | 18:12 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, you are | 18:20 |
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| TurboVomit | hi | 18:31 |
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| CosmoHill | eww | 18:31 |
| TurboVomit | i tried meego on my eeepc 1008HA | 18:31 |
| TurboVomit | but after login, nothing happen | 18:32 |
| CosmoHill | you have text only? | 18:32 |
| TurboVomit | yes | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | coderop release? | 18:32 |
| CosmoHill | that sounds right | 18:32 |
| TurboVomit | no graphical interface | 18:32 |
| CosmoHill | that sounds right | 18:32 |
| happyblob | there isnt a GUI at the mo | 18:33 |
| TurboVomit | ok | 18:33 |
| TurboVomit | nice splash screen | 18:33 |
| happyblob | should be coming the end of this month i think | 18:33 |
| TurboVomit | ok | 18:33 |
| TurboVomit | i will wait | 18:33 |
| happyblob | s'what im doing :) | 18:33 |
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| happyblob | open question- can you easily put xfce on top of the current meego image? | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | once the :Extra ARM repos are publisehd | 18:34 |
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| happyblob | so your m0 for n810 is graphical while the official version isn't, i'm impressed :-) | 18:35 |
| happyblob | by which i mean i am genuinely impressed by your efforts, wasn't being sarcastic about the official project! | 18:36 |
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| Stskeeps | hopefully official one would have a handset UX, which is not out yet.. | 18:37 |
| happyblob | ah i meant to ask if the n810 is going with the handset or netbook ux | 18:38 |
| happyblob | i assumed netbook | 18:38 |
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| Stskeeps | netbook UX requires opengl, i think | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | if we can get handset working, sure, but no bets | 18:40 |
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| happyblob | ah ok. I thought open gl on the n810 did happen in the end, i.e. you guys got hold of the right drivers? | 18:40 |
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| happyblob | i'm punching above my weight here, never really understood quite what was happened | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | we did, but they're broken on our funky framebuffer etup | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | setup | 18:40 |
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| happyblob | righto :) | 18:41 |
| TurboVomit | meego don't use moblin interface? | 18:41 |
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| happyblob | the netbook ux is very similar | 18:41 |
| happyblob | but yeah the phone ux is something new i think | 18:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: no, DocScrutinizer51 isn't | 18:42 |
| happyblob | on your eeepc, it'll look quite a lot like moblin | 18:42 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps, i've been following the work being done on the n810, i'm actually amazed you guys have gotten as far as you have... | 18:43 |
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| happyblob | +1 keep up the good work! | 18:44 |
| happyblob | oh sorry, one more thing.. is meego netbook on the joggler going to happen? i'm worried- due to the GMA thing | 18:46 |
| vincenzo | the netbook UX will look like moblin, but using qt. right? | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | happyblob: no idea, but does netbook really apply well to that?. | 18:47 |
| happyblob | tbh better than UNR IMO :-) | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | a slate or handset / MID is prolly better | 18:47 |
| happyblob | yeah i guess so. Although strictly speaking meego doesn't have a MID UX and i kinda assumed tablets/MIDs would lean more toward netbook | 18:48 |
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| TSCHAKeee | the handset UX is the mid UX | 18:48 |
| happyblob | oh okay pardon me | 18:49 |
| happyblob | didn't know how scalable it was going to be | 18:49 |
| happyblob | but i guess phones these days have similar resolutions anyway :) | 18:49 |
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| happyblob | similar to slates/PCs i mean | 18:49 |
| happyblob | thats a handy piece of knowledge actually, looking forward to seeing that UX in all its glory :) | 18:50 |
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| th0br0 | heya fellas. | 19:06 |
| happyblob | howdy | 19:07 |
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| vincenzo | after some investigation about the mergo kernel... I just discovered that it is indeed really a plain kernel! It is great that all the effort is pushed upstream... | 19:39 |
| vincenzo | but it leaves me with a question: is meego more a new distro or a new (desk/mobile/*pad)top? | 19:40 |
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| berserker | every file in kernel source is a patch | 19:40 |
| ml-mobile | new distro intended for such devices | 19:41 |
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| vincenzo | What I meant is: will the meego project be carried on like *buntu, i.e. they provide the structure and a couple default UIs for others to extend it with new UIs [e.g. (x/l/edu/*)buntu] or... | 19:45 |
| vincenzo | like, say, KDE: they provide the user experience for distros to ship it? | 19:45 |
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| th0br0 | vincenzo: meego is a distribution of its | 19:52 |
| th0br0 | own | 19:52 |
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| berserker | meego provides resources for others to do real distribution, like system integration companies | 19:56 |
| vincenzo | but it also brings a (some actually) new UI shells... | 19:57 |
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| vincenzo | I'm trying to undestand if it is beeing built with the idea that other UI's could be shipped by other parties on top of meego's (greatly standard) stack... | 19:59 |
| Tm_T | I think that's the point | 20:00 |
| vincenzo | E.g: could I buy a future N9xx and yum install plasma-mid on it? | 20:00 |
| Tm_T | you mean plasma-mobile | 20:01 |
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| vincenzo | yup... I'm not good at rememberimg names :-( | 20:01 |
| Tm_T | there was plasma-mid in the distant past (: | 20:02 |
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| berserker | the middleware part may be the point if other UIs could be applied, if it acts just like android to bundles dalvik Java VM and application framework then chances are little | 20:06 |
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| summel | so are there any installation isntructions? | 20:24 |
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| FatalSaint | on what? | 20:27 |
| FatalSaint | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM | 20:27 |
| summel | netbook | 20:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | i love it | 20:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | when people | 20:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | don't even bother | 20:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | looking | 20:28 |
| summel | i looked :O | 20:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | where? | 20:28 |
| FatalSaint | Im actually not seeing a netbook instruction on the wiki (just a quick search tho) either... | 20:29 |
| FatalSaint | Im pretty sure you use a usb image | 20:29 |
| summel | in the wiki and on google :o | 20:29 |
| summel | yes i did but there is no installer | 20:29 |
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| summel | also updating doe not work :/ | 20:29 |
| FatalSaint | did you search the forum? | 20:30 |
| summel | when i update it braks with an IO error and then i have to rewrite the image to the usb stick | 20:30 |
| summel | i didnt notice there were forums | 20:30 |
| summel | also i dont like forums :P | 20:30 |
| FatalSaint | http://forum.meego.com | 20:30 |
| FatalSaint | although even then all I'm seeing is people mentioning the USB image. | 20:32 |
| summel | and complaining that there is no UI xD | 20:32 |
| FatalSaint | that too. | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | any released image except for IVI boots into either a xterm or a console prompt | 20:32 |
| summel | yes i know that | 20:32 |
| FatalSaint | I think he wants how to install it to his internal drive tho skeeps | 20:32 |
| summel | but still i would love to install it | 20:32 |
| summel | and succesfully update it | 20:32 |
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| summel | :o | 20:32 |
| FatalSaint | instead of running from the USB | 20:32 |
| summel | no | 20:32 |
| summel | arr | 20:33 |
| summel | yes | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | think installer is broken in codedrop | 20:33 |
| summel | no there isnt even an installer in the image | 20:33 |
| summel | there is an entry in grub but it says file nout found | 20:33 |
| summel | :D | 20:33 |
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| summel | so there is no way to install meego on the hard drive atm? | 20:37 |
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| FatalSaint | I can't say for certain.. but it sounds like no if the installer is broken. | 20:40 |
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| FatalSaint | could probably do it yourself by copying the files over and setting up grub properly.. | 20:40 |
| FatalSaint | :D | 20:40 |
| summel | hmm ok... but how would i fix updating? | 20:43 |
| summel | :O | 20:43 |
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| FatalSaint | I don't know. But an I/O error sounds like a USB Stick problem.. | 20:45 |
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| summel | i tried different ones | 20:48 |
| summel | ;o | 20:48 |
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| FatalSaint | not sure then. Have to wait till someone that uses it all the time wakes up. I haven't booted MeeGo in a while. Waiting for the UI/UX release. | 20:49 |
| summel | yes that would be better :) | 20:50 |
| summel | but the image that is availeable now at least has wifi and screen :) | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | FatalSaint: still have a n810 btw? | 20:50 |
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| Stskeeps | summel: you still have your codedrop USB stick? | 21:12 |
| summel | codedrop? | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | well, the one you were trying to boot | 21:12 |
| summel | yes but i would have to rewrite the image onto it | 21:12 |
| summel | so in 1-2 minutes :) | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | when you have booted it up, could you ls -l /home for me? | 21:13 |
| summel | sure :) | 21:13 |
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| Stskeeps | i am wondering if i've spotted mic2 bug, so | 21:14 |
| th0br0 | why? | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | my /home/meego is owned by root :) | 21:15 |
| th0br0 | o.O | 21:15 |
| CosmoHill | hey th0br0 | 21:16 |
| th0br0 | heya CosmoHill | 21:16 |
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| summel | Stskeeps: its owned by meego | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | what image are you on? | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | ie, which did you download | 21:27 |
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| neopsis | can meego run on vmware??? | 21:27 |
| thiago_home | yes, provided vmware can emulate OpenGL and Atom instructions | 21:28 |
| thiago_home | can it? | 21:28 |
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| Stskeeps | it can if the host does atom stuff i guess | 21:28 |
| neopsis | how? | 21:28 |
| neopsis | i don't think there is an option that I can emulate OpenGL and Atom instructions... | 21:29 |
| neopsis | or none that I know of | 21:29 |
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| summel | Stskeeps: the one from the download page? :D | 21:30 |
| summel | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/images/ | 21:30 |
| summel | netbook core usbimg | 21:30 |
| summel | what is ivi? | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:30 |
| summel | and what is aava? | 21:31 |
| summel | or shcdk? | 21:31 |
| thiago_home | www.aavamobile.com | 21:31 |
| thiago_home | ivi = in-vehicle infotainment | 21:31 |
| summel | i see | 21:31 |
| thiago_home | shcdk I have no clue | 21:32 |
| summel | so aava is a good lookin frerunner? | 21:32 |
| summel | :D | 21:32 |
| thiago_home | with Atom processors | 21:32 |
| summel | <3 | 21:32 |
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| ak | hi | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 22:55 |
| ak | when is meego coming out for N900 | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | such a multi-faceted question :) | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | if you mean the first meego OS, ie, not the harmattan one, running on N900, it already came out with the first meego codedrop | 22:56 |
| ak | no :P i mean the harmattan one | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | don't know, ask nokia :) | 22:57 |
| Tm_T | "when ready" | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | "if ever", too | 22:57 |
| ak | and what do you mean it already came out | 22:57 |
| Tm_T | "when ready" applies to that too, I guess | 22:57 |
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| ak | what about nokia's maemo 5 pr 1.2 | 22:58 |
| ak | is it released | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 22:59 |
| ak | how come there are leaked ones all over the web | 22:59 |
| ak | and it is confirmed to be the one | 22:59 |
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| leinir | ak: that's because the people behind those "confirmations" are talking out of their arse :) | 23:00 |
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| leinir | Because what that image is is a release candidate, and not the final image :) | 23:00 |
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| ak | oh | 23:01 |
| ak | i thought it was the full one | 23:01 |
| ak | my bad | 23:01 |
| leinir | That's what you get for believing things written about nokia on anywhere that isn't nokia.com ;) | 23:01 |
| ShadowJK | actually some of the stuff on nokia.com is wrong too | 23:01 |
| ak | when do you expect meego harmattan to be released to n900 with full gui | 23:01 |
| leinir | well, about maemo that isn't written by people with a maemo or nokia email address ;) | 23:02 |
| leinir | ShadowJK: Of course :) | 23:02 |
| ShadowJK | ak: there has been no confirmation that N900 will ever get Harmattan. | 23:02 |
| leinir | ShadowJK: i didn't want to write "believing things written on the internet", but... yeah ;) | 23:02 |
| ak | Nooooooooooooo :'( | 23:02 |
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| ak | how come meego released the developer version for n900 | 23:03 |
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| ShadowJK | "no confirmation" isn't the same as "confirmed there will be no", of course | 23:03 |
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| leinir | because the n900 is the handheld reference device :) | 23:03 |
| leinir | (which it also says on the website somewhere) | 23:03 |
| ShadowJK | Because N900 is a nice open device to test stuff on :) | 23:03 |
| ShadowJK | not just meego | 23:03 |
| ak | oh k | 23:04 |
| ak | it depends on nokia. | 23:04 |
| ak | nokia is crap | 23:04 |
| ak | all other company's have apps for their OSs | 23:04 |
| ak | overall meamo is great | 23:04 |
| leinir | all other companies have crappy OSes that have no features and as such need apps to make them even remotely useful ;) | 23:05 |
| leinir | (also: ak should read and attempt to understand this --> http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apostrophe ;) ) | 23:05 |
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| ak | leinir you're lame and I've just used it :D | 23:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | sigh | 23:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | children. | 23:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | stop. | 23:09 |
| ak | ? | 23:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | yes, you. | 23:09 |
| leinir | *giggles* just pointing out that you are calling someone crap, immediately proceeding to invalidate your point by failing to grasp the very basics of the English language ;) | 23:09 |
| leinir | TSCHAKeee: NOYUUU! ;) | 23:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | and yes, the whole "apps" thing is overblown hype | 23:10 |
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| TSCHAKeee | problem is, you can't convince people of that. | 23:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | people are by nature | 23:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | greedy | 23:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | self centered | 23:10 |
| leinir | Indeed :) | 23:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | this is why apple works so well | 23:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | they feed directly off that | 23:11 |
| ak | bye people | 23:11 |
| ak | this is boring | 23:11 |
| GAN900 | lol | 23:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | . o O (the ADHD generation.. I weep.) | 23:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's rather sad when the people with ASPERGER'S SYNDROME, are becoming the ones with more attention spans than the general population. | 23:13 |
| * CosmoHill has ice cream and offers bowls | 23:13 | |
| GAN900 | TSCHAKeee, people suck. :P | 23:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | yes. we do. | 23:14 |
| TSCHAKeee | :( | 23:14 |
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| TSCHAKeee | after almost 25 years of this | 23:15 |
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| TSCHAKeee | i'm growing weary | 23:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | tired of the ones who do things, being drowned out by millions of loud whiny voices of the people who do nothing. | 23:16 |
| idra | ADHD != Asperger Syndhrome, kid <csnr> | 23:16 |
| idra | *scnr even | 23:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 23:16 |
| CosmoHill | Audio Dynamics and High Definition? | 23:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | thank you for so brilliantly proving my point. | 23:17 |
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| TSCHAKeee | CosmoHill, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder | 23:17 |
| CosmoHill | I know, I was joking | 23:18 |
| idra | or "what normal kids do in the rest of the world, where parents understand they are not adults and don't drug them" | 23:18 |
| CosmoHill | they're annoy but you deal with it | 23:19 |
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