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| CosmoHill | interesting | 00:21 |
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| CosmoHill | i took the battery out of my nokia cos it has crashed | 00:21 |
| CosmoHill | when i turned it back on again it flash up what was on the screen before i took the battery out | 00:21 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, lcd does that | 00:22 |
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| ShadowJK | On SmartQ you can turn off LCD but leave backlight on :D | 00:31 |
| ShadowJK | it looks pretty cool | 00:31 |
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| CosmoHill | fu >.< | 01:12 |
| CosmoHill | bollocks shit bugger | 01:13 |
| CosmoHill | I've just reread the assignment and I've done something wrong. | 01:13 |
| thiago_home | like the icelanders | 01:13 |
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| CosmoHill | roflcopters | 01:14 |
| thiago_home | the brits asked for the cash, they sent the ash | 01:14 |
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| lbt | whilst waiting for emacs to download again to have the privilege to be the first X app to run... | 01:34 |
| lbt | stupid rpm not having apt-cacher | 01:35 |
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| dl9pf | use zypper | 01:55 |
| leinir | lbt: what dl9pf said ;) zypper is sort of like all the apt tools rolled into one - learn to use it and you'll soon start thinking of apt as old-fashioned and annoying ;) | 01:56 |
| lbt | nah. it's not that | 01:56 |
| lbt | it's that there's no cacher | 01:56 |
| lbt | I have a LAN and a few boxes | 01:57 |
| lbt | so apt-cacher acts as a .deb aware http proxy | 01:57 |
| leinir | Oh right :) | 01:57 |
| lbt | once a .deb has been downloaded it's in the cache | 01:57 |
| lbt | really nice when you do things that blat local machine caches | 01:58 |
| lbt | like rebuilding images etc :) | 01:58 |
| lbt | of course you can mirror the repo... | 01:58 |
| lbt | but when you're working on meego and it changes every few hours... | 01:59 |
| * lbt types yum install zypper | 01:59 | |
| lbt | and it's off | 01:59 |
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| lbt | will it use the yum.repos.d/ repos? | 02:00 |
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| dl9pf | zypper is iirc not yet built -> gnupg failing on arm | 02:05 |
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| dl9pf | i worked around it and you can isntall and use it | 02:05 |
| dl9pf | you can copy yum.repos.d to zypp/repos.d/ | 02:06 |
| dl9pf | same format | 02:06 |
| dl9pf | and its way faster | 02:06 |
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| lbt | zypper seems fine on x86 | 02:10 |
| lbt | I'm using the Joggler | 02:10 |
| lbt | yup... zypper in xeyes worked fine... and it did seem quicker | 02:11 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 03:11 |
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| Termana | hey hey | 05:39 |
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| sts|home | morning | 09:18 |
| Termana | Good morning sts|home | 09:22 |
| sts|home | morning termana | 09:23 |
| Termana | sts|home: having some nickname troubles? (never seen you use your nick like that :P) | 09:24 |
| th0br0 | heya sts|home | 09:24 |
| sts|home | Termana: my irssi host is dead it looks like | 09:24 |
| sts|home | so this is from my actual location :P | 09:24 |
| th0br0 | hear hear! let's ddos him ;) | 09:25 |
| Termana | lol | 09:25 |
| sts|home | meh, been there before, i just switch to my 3g modem and go make a cup of coffee | 09:25 |
| sts|home | :P | 09:25 |
| th0br0 | ;P | 09:25 |
| th0br0 | 3G is faster for you than your actual internet connection? | 09:25 |
| sts|home | no, but it's a nice backup | 09:26 |
| th0br0 | ok | 09:26 |
| Termana | th0br0: I assume he wouldn't show up where the attackers are going to find his 3G ip address :P | 09:26 |
| th0br0 | ;) Termana | 09:27 |
| sts|home | Termana: got a fedora vm setup by chance? | 09:27 |
| th0br0 | sts|home: i got fedora running here, why<ß | 09:27 |
| Termana | sts|home: nnnnnoooo... should I have? :P | 09:27 |
| sts|home | Termana: yes - useful for what i'm about to have you do :P | 09:27 |
| Termana | Will this message also explode? | 09:27 |
| th0br0 | ;D | 09:27 |
| sts|home | Termana: basically i'm going to ask you to try out generating mic2 images and such for n810 :P | 09:27 |
| sts|home | so we can get things in a proper shape | 09:28 |
| Termana | okey dokey. So I shall get some sort of fedora install? | 09:29 |
| sts|home | :nod: | 09:29 |
| sts|home | it's the best platform for generating images, so | 09:29 |
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| sts|home | also, could you see if you could some way extract what version your BME is? | 09:32 |
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| TSCHAKeee | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7VZ7AjIyt0 :D :) I rule :) | 09:48 |
| sts|home | not bad | 09:49 |
| sts|home | we should get meego on those | 09:49 |
| sts|home | :P | 09:49 |
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| TSCHAKeee | sts|home: yes please | 09:49 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 09:49 |
| TSCHAKeee | sts|home: but i'm still tingly over the fact that it worked | 09:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's playing them over the network (NFS), interconnected with the resources of the house | 09:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | once i get pluto storage devices ported...you will be able to plug in any storage device to the SmartQ's USB port and have it show up house wide, instantly. | 09:51 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:27 |
| Jaffa | Anyone have links of interest for tomorrow's http://www.mwkn.net/? Or wants to become a regular contributor (http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News#Contributor%20Reference)? | 11:27 |
| sts|home | Jaffa: got a video from someone who made a fremantle style task switcher for n8x0 | 11:30 |
| sts|home | sec | 11:30 |
| sts|home | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50689 | 11:30 |
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| Jaffa | sts|home: Ta. Want to be able to post links directly? :) | 11:31 |
| sts|home | work overload at the moment :P | 11:31 |
| RST38h | Anyone knows why SB2 dpkg would be coredumping on Ubuntu Karmic? | 11:32 |
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| Jaffa | sts|home: true | 11:36 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-April/001700.html | 11:40 |
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| lbt | too meego? | 11:41 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: RWG? I was about to go link hunting for that | 11:44 |
| lbt | would be happy to help ... feeling a bit like the community isn't too bothered about it | 11:46 |
| lbt | Nb... I want to call it "Surrounds" ... make sure you see Quim's email though | 11:46 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: indded | 11:46 |
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| Gibba | Jaffa: howde | 11:49 |
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| Jaffa | Gibba: Howdy :) Got your Joggler yet? | 11:51 |
| Gibba | Nope, ordered quite late so I'm in the pile of ordered awaiting delivery. | 11:51 |
| Gibba | Hurchat is full of people whining about not getting theirs yet. People have called O2 and there seems to be no expected delivery date set yet. | 11:52 |
| sts|home | hurchat? | 11:52 |
| Gibba | sts|home: an internal IBM forum | 11:52 |
| sts|home | ah | 11:52 |
| Jaffa | Gibba: Doh. Nice piece of kit. MeeGo is going to rock (if Stskeeps can solve his Qt issues) | 11:52 |
| * Jaffa gives sts|home more pressure ;) | 11:53 | |
| Gibba | I tried to take a look in vmware, but it didn't boot. Didn't work in virtualbox as that doesn't emulate a PAE kernel | 11:53 |
| Gibba | PAE CPU, sorry | 11:53 |
| Jaffa | sts|home: Mer 0.17 is nice (especially compared with 0.15), but the lack of Hildonised apps is a problem :( | 11:53 |
| sts|home | yeah, agreed | 11:54 |
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| Jaffa | sts|home: How broken would things get if I uninstalled Mer's libhildon and installed the PR1.2 SDK ones? | 11:55 |
| Gibba | Right, that's breakfast done so back to rainy day activities for me i.e. spring cleaning at the mo ....dull! | 11:55 |
| sts|home | Jaffa: fairly - think there was a glib addition too | 11:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | [timeless@mxr.moego repo]$ ps -u timeless|grep curl|wc -l | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | 225 | 12:07 |
| sts|home | what are you fetching this time? | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/source/ | 12:08 |
| sts|home | ah | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | there are ~1000 rpms there | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm also converting qt-git to qt-hg | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | which has been running since thursday or friday | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | (how do i ask Linux when a process started?) | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, mxr.moego.org/maemo6 has an index of most of that stuff | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll have a meego index or two up once things unpack | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | ps -u timeless|grep curl|wc -l | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | 137 | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | the process count is dropping fast :) | 12:10 |
| CosmoHill | i see there's been some activity | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | repo]$ jobs|wc -l | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | 118 | 12:10 |
| CosmoHill | timeless_mbp: if you find the process in top it should say how long it's been running | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | CosmoHill: i think it's giving cpu usage instead of wall clock time | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | not certain | 12:11 |
| CosmoHill | i think you might be right there | 12:12 |
| CosmoHill | maybe find the pid file and check the creation date? | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | dr-xr-xr-x 4 timeless timeless 0 Apr 23 07:14 /proc/19809 | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | Sun Apr 25 18:13:42 JST 2010 | 12:13 |
| th0br0 | why don't you use git? | 12:13 |
| th0br0 | http://whygitisbetterthanx.com | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | because i've already written tools which can deal w/ hg output | 12:14 |
| timeless_mbp | and i don't really have the energy to deal with git | 12:14 |
| lbt | timeless_mbp: so fix them | 12:14 |
| th0br0 | rewrite them? output isn't that different | 12:14 |
| timeless_mbp | i looked into it | 12:14 |
| timeless_mbp | github is a bogus claim given available hg hosting | 12:14 |
| CosmoHill | my server clock is 37 seconds out of date | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | not to mention that nokia uses gitorious, not github | 12:15 |
| CosmoHill | it was only 2 seconds last week :/ | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | and i question the 'cheap local branching' item as relating to hg | 12:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | the only other item is git's staging area | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | which is both too confusing to really consider and easily managed with hg if you really want to use it | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | hg otoh has the advantage of decent documentation and command lines that i can figure out | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | and yes, i have looked at and tried to improve git. i gave up | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | i've also looked at and tried to improve bzr, i think i made it a bit farther, but not much | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | otoh, i had no trouble contributing to mercurial | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | i absolutely *hate* svn, and will be glad to see it dead | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | i know some people like perforce, i think for its time it wasn't bad, and i can certainly appreciate that it's better than cvs | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | woohoo, 14 rpms's left | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | next step: convert them to source creatures | 12:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.moego.org/bonsai/cvsblame.cgi?file=home/launcher.cpp | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | in case people are wondering what my tool does | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | it needs a bit of help to properly link back to mxr | 12:35 |
| CosmoHill | you work for nokia? | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.moego.org/meego/source/duihome/home/launcher.cpp | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | is the file w/o vcs | 12:36 |
| CosmoHill | the email is the person who did it and the number is the commit revision? | 12:36 |
| timeless_mbp | CosmoHill: i think http://wiki.meego.com/Who%27s_who covers your first question | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | the email or thing (if people forge emails) is the whatever which was told to the vcs as the person who ostensibly did it, it /should/ be the author, but isn't necessarily | 12:38 |
| timeless_mbp | the number is a local commit version, if you hover though you can see the other version which is more useful | 12:38 |
| timeless_mbp | note that the numbers are based on an hg repo, which is only useful if you have my hg repo, i'll provide those so people could clone them if they like | 12:39 |
| CosmoHill | I'd add myself to the list if I had something to contribute | 12:39 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.moego.org/meego-hg/duihome/ | 12:40 |
| timeless_mbp | would be the clone path if you wanted to get the repo that was being used by bonsai-hg | 12:40 |
| CosmoHill | I don't think I've used hg before | 12:40 |
| timeless_mbp | well, i wouldn't suggest duihome as a starting point | 12:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i picked it because i wanted something w/ more than one commit for a file | 12:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | feel free to pick anything from http://mxr.moego.org/meego/source/ | 12:41 |
| timeless_mbp | (well, stay away from qt/ for now, that's still converting) | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | (actually, maybe it isn't, i bet i'm cheating) | 12:42 |
| CosmoHill | I think I'll stick with SVN for now | 12:43 |
| CosmoHill | I also use git but so infrequently i need to look it up every time i do use it | 12:43 |
| * CosmoHill offers timeless_mbp tea and biscuits | 12:47 | |
| timeless_mbp | you near HEL? | 12:48 |
| CosmoHill | HEL? | 12:48 |
| CosmoHill | Helsinky? | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | s/ky/ki/ | 12:49 |
| CosmoHill | I'm from england | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm from the US, that doesn't mean i'm there :( | 12:50 |
| CosmoHill | I've just noticed, the freenode server I'm on is a main character from ghost in the shell | 12:50 |
| CosmoHill | I'm still in england :) | 12:50 |
| CosmoHill | the closest I've been to abroad is the isle of white | 12:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | typical brit ;-) | 12:51 |
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| CosmoHill | son of a bitch, my mouse battery died mid select | 12:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | th0br0: anyway, did you look at bonsai? | 13:08 |
| th0br0 | bonsai~? | 13:08 |
| th0br0 | kampai! ;D | 13:08 |
| timeless_mbp | the first link i gave: http://mxr.moego.org/bonsai/cvsblame.cgi?file=home/launcher.cpp | 13:09 |
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| * timeless_mbp needs to finish off a few other pieces | 13:10 | |
| th0br0 | woah, google germany is now using an antialiased logo | 13:11 |
| th0br0 | fix the link? ;) | 13:11 |
| th0br0 | in which context did you give me htat link? | 13:11 |
| th0br0 | nvm working | 13:11 |
| th0br0 | 2 months ago right? | 13:11 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 13:11 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a randomly picked file | 13:12 |
| timeless_mbp | it has nothing to do w/ me, it's just a demo of a tool | 13:12 |
| timeless_mbp | the slow startup for bonsai is because it has to figure out which of a hundred repositories has that file | 13:12 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: alive? | 13:12 |
| timeless_mbp | (since the url doesn't give it any hints) | 13:12 |
| * timeless_mbp looks for rpmbuild --i-do-not-care-about-dependencies | 13:15 | |
| CosmoHill | I have a question for the programmers | 13:16 |
| CosmoHill | if you have a log prototype, do you split it onto two lines? | 13:16 |
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| CosmoHill | I do love the fact that my text editor has built-in SVN support :) | 13:20 |
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| CosmoHill | I've just noticed, the printer I've been given has expensive cartridges | 13:31 |
| th0br0 | what do you mean by log prototype, CosmoHill? | 13:32 |
| CosmoHill | £13 for my printer and £40 for the one they gave me | 13:32 |
| CosmoHill | string listItems(); | 13:32 |
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| CosmoHill | that's a prototype | 13:32 |
| th0br0 | what about it? why should you actually want to split that onto two lines? | 13:33 |
| CosmoHill | it says what the function is, what is requires and returns | 13:33 |
| th0br0 | ah you mean the doxygen comment? | 13:33 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 13:33 |
| CosmoHill | i mean if it's very long and causes you to scroll left and right | 13:33 |
| th0br0 | well, yes i normally do that to prototypes then. sometimes... | 13:33 |
| CosmoHill | I just did a test print and firefox will wrap it for me | 13:35 |
| CosmoHill | I can print my code with syntax highlighting and line numbers :) but todo that my program generates a html file for it | 13:36 |
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| * CosmoHill offers vgrade tea | 13:37 | |
| Termana | So.... | 13:37 |
| Termana | do NOT put CDs in the microwave | 13:37 |
| CosmoHill | Termana: or shatter them in your bedroom | 13:37 |
| Termana | :P | 13:38 |
| CosmoHill | i kept finding little bits for a month afterwards | 13:38 |
| CosmoHill | I used to sell linux DVDs :) | 13:38 |
| CosmoHill | they either failed to burn or print correctly :( | 13:38 |
| Termana | Mum brought home my two little brothers some happy meals - without telling me the toy (a game cd) was inside. I heated it up from them and smelt this weird smell | 13:38 |
| Termana | DISC INSIDE!!!111!!!one | 13:39 |
| Termana | CosmoHill: heh so you smashed them, because they didn't burn or print correctly? :P | 13:39 |
| CosmoHill | indeed | 13:39 |
| * CosmoHill looks up | 13:39 | |
| CosmoHill | I have a Fedora 9 x86 DVD on my wall :) | 13:39 |
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| CosmoHill | iirc that went through the printer twice | 13:40 |
| Termana | :P | 13:40 |
| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/bsldev.png | 13:40 |
| CosmoHill | fyi never email debain | 13:41 |
| CosmoHill | my email got raped afterwards | 13:41 |
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| CosmoHill | >.< | 14:17 |
| CosmoHill | I'm finished code with . and sentences with ; | 14:17 |
| CosmoHill | *finishing | 14:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm | 15:02 |
| timeless_mbp | how does one decode .tar.xz ? | 15:03 |
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| CosmoHill | decode? | 15:04 |
| CosmoHill | you need xz-utils | 15:05 |
| CosmoHill | depending on your version of tar you may have to decompress it first | 15:05 |
| timeless_mbp | suppose i don't have that | 15:05 |
| CosmoHill | easy way to find out | 15:05 |
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| CosmoHill | type "xz --version" | 15:05 |
| CosmoHill | nate $ xz --version | 15:05 |
| CosmoHill | xz (XZ Utils) 4.999.9beta | 15:05 |
| timeless_mbp | bash: xz: command not found | 15:05 |
| Termana | timeless_mbp: or try this tar Jxf tarfile or tar jxf tarfile | 15:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | tar (GNU tar) 1.15.1 | 15:06 |
| CosmoHill | that's an old version | 15:06 |
| CosmoHill | 1.21 and above support xz iirc | 15:06 |
| timeless_mbp | Linux domU-12-31-39-0A-8C-36 2.6.16-xenU #1 SMP Mon May 28 03:41:49 SAST 2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux | 15:07 |
| CosmoHill | timeless_mbp: my advice would be to install xz and a newer version of tar | 15:07 |
| timeless_mbp | CentOS release 5.4 (Final) | 15:07 |
| Termana | timeless_mbp: Try - lzcat filename.tar.xz | tar xvf - | 15:07 |
| CosmoHill | timeless_mbp: ah you're running centOS, not mac os x | 15:07 |
| CosmoHill | try checking for updates? | 15:07 |
| timeless_mbp | bash: lzcat: command not found | 15:08 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not root | 15:08 |
| Termana | shouldn't matter | 15:08 |
| timeless_mbp | checking for updates typically requires root or console | 15:08 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm neither | 15:08 |
| timeless_mbp | this isn't an n900 :) | 15:08 |
| Termana | What matters no, I thought you were saying about the commands we were giving you :P | 15:09 |
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| Termana | wtf, I don't know why I typed "What matters no" | 15:09 |
| CosmoHill | timeless_mbp: want to here my idea? | 15:09 |
| timeless_mbp | s/here/hear/ | 15:09 |
| timeless_mbp | sure, why not? | 15:09 |
| CosmoHill | install xz to ~/apps | 15:09 |
| CosmoHill | then add ~/apps/bin to the front of your PATH | 15:09 |
| timeless_mbp | well, i already have a ~/bin | 15:10 |
| CosmoHill | that will do | 15:10 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders how to use rpmbuild to build xz | 15:10 | |
| CosmoHill | I do this on systems I don't have root access too | 15:10 |
| * timeless_mbp has a xz.spec file | 15:10 | |
| lbt | timeless_mbp: just use the OBS.... oh, wait... | 15:10 |
| Termana | Or transfer the file to a computer that you can easily extract it on and transfer back | 15:10 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: i don't want to build the world | 15:11 |
| timeless_mbp | all i'm doing is unpacking sources | 15:11 |
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| lbt | you said you wanted to build it | 15:11 |
| CosmoHill | timeless_mbp: is there a non .xz version to download? | 15:11 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: oh, well | 15:11 |
| lbt | the spec doesn't have any source... it's essentially a build script | 15:12 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: what i mean is that i have the set | 15:12 |
| * timeless_mbp can't figure out how to ask rpmbuild to build foo into a certain place | 15:13 | |
| timeless_mbp | are apps in rpm land relocatable? | 15:13 |
| lbt | unless you're running meego you'll need either a meego chroot or a meego | 15:14 |
| lbt | vm | 15:14 |
| lbt | OBS is a "chroots for dummies" | 15:14 |
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| lbt | it makes a chroot and runs rpmbuild... that's it | 15:14 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 15:16 | |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't have auto* | 15:16 | |
| timeless_mbp | and xz needs it | 15:16 |
| timeless_mbp | why did someone invent yet another stupid compression alg/program? | 15:17 |
| lbt | of course xz is already in meego... | 15:17 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: and i'm in centos in a cloud | 15:17 |
| timeless_mbp | and i'm not root | 15:17 |
| timeless_mbp | and i don't have enough of a toolchain to build stuff | 15:18 |
| * lbt checks the chan name | 15:18 | |
| lbt | sorry for that assumption ;) | 15:18 |
| timeless_mbp | if OBS requires a build toolchain to bootstrap, it won't work well | 15:18 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: i'm trying to index meego | 15:18 |
| lbt | from a centos os on "not your machine"... | 15:18 |
| timeless_mbp | but meego wasn't a viable option for ec2 when the box was setup | 15:18 |
| timeless_mbp | s/setup/set up/ | 15:19 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: but meego wasn't a viable option for ec2 when the box was set up | 15:19 |
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| * timeless_mbp tries to figure out how to install obs | 15:23 | |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: the instructions involve using yum as root | 15:24 |
| timeless_mbp | to install 'build' | 15:24 |
| timeless_mbp | which i can't do | 15:24 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not root | 15:24 |
| lbt | well, no kidding, you can't install stuff as not-root? | 15:25 |
| lbt | what do you expect? | 15:25 |
| lbt | seriously, you can't expect to setup a development environment without sw install rights | 15:25 |
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| * timeless_mbp disagrees | 15:27 | |
| * timeless_mbp has been doing it for more than a decade | 15:27 | |
| lbt | so why are you asking for help? | 15:27 |
| lbt | maybe checkout rpm2cpio | 15:28 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: been there, already use that heavily | 15:28 |
| lbt | that extracts binaries... so dl the correct rpm, get the xz binary from it and put it in ~/bin ? | 15:28 |
| lbt | maybe need ~/lib and LD_PATH | 15:29 |
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| darko | what is the roadmap and release schedule for meego? is there one yet? | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | may 1.0, next one 6 months after i think | 15:42 |
| darko | so, is there any dev on updated going on on moblin project or is it all frozen? | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | think moblin's practically merged into meego | 15:45 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 15:47 | |
| timeless_mbp | obs is stupid | 15:47 |
| timeless_mbp | what's the point of a sandbox if it requires root to create it? | 15:48 |
| sts|home | well, fakechroot might work | 15:48 |
| timeless_mbp | so, sb2 is dead dead? | 15:49 |
| RST38h | Moblin has been renamed to Meego | 15:49 |
| darko | yes... i understand. does that mean there will be no updates for mobiln? | 15:51 |
| sts|home | well, rename is so much to be said.. but i can see where that interpretation causes some issues atm :P | 15:51 |
| timeless_mbp | dark when a country changes its name | 15:51 |
| timeless_mbp | do you expect improvements to the old country? | 15:52 |
| timeless_mbp | are you still expecting improvements to the USSR | 15:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | or Czechoslovakia | 15:52 |
| darko | heh... | 15:54 |
| darko | the USSR is no more. | 15:54 |
| timeless_mbp | nah, it just changed its name, it's now 'Russia' | 15:54 |
| timeless_mbp | it had some spinoffs, but it's mostly just Russia | 15:54 |
| darko | but them, the then the former countries that make it u that split from it, now want to go back... | 15:54 |
| darko | so... | 15:55 |
| timeless_mbp | do you expect improvements to German Democratic Republic ? | 15:55 |
| timeless_mbp | or to Federal Republic of Germany | 15:55 |
| darko | so... they used to be part of prussia and austo-hungary.. they hated that.. so they became USSR... then they hated the USSR.. and split up... then they were reminded that it really sucks being a 4th class citizen in a germanic empire.. so now they want to be USSR again... | 15:56 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders if people here are old enough to even recongzine those... | 15:56 | |
| darko | hehe... | 15:56 |
| timeless_mbp | s/ngzin/gniz/ | 15:56 |
| darko | maybe not... | 15:56 |
| darko | :-) | 15:56 |
| timeless_mbp | when an entity changes its name or merges w/ another entity | 15:57 |
| timeless_mbp | the people who were in an entity tend to continue doing what they've always been doing | 15:57 |
| timeless_mbp | but their allegiance and branding is under the name of the new entity | 15:57 |
| timeless_mbp | there are "updates" to all of those places (at least the cities and other infrastructure which was in their territories) | 15:57 |
| darko | anyways back to technoology... | 15:57 |
| timeless_mbp | but the "updates" aren't called "GDR1.2" or "USSR3.6" | 15:58 |
| timeless_mbp | they're "Germany, 2010" and "Russia 2010" | 15:58 |
| darko | where is a list of current project that are being migrated to meego? | 15:58 |
| darko | looking theough the TSG meeting notes and wiki.. sote... | 15:58 |
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| darko | yeah.. right... | 15:59 |
| RST38h | More to the point: SB2 dpkg. Crashing. On Karmic. Any ideas? | 15:59 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: i'm trying to setup sb2 on centos | 15:59 |
| timeless_mbp | to host yum :) | 15:59 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: but 'stackwanted' | 15:59 |
| * RST38h sighs and waits for Jukka to answer his email | 16:00 | |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: try to re-enable vdso | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | darko: the only projects i know of that merged into meego are moblin and maemo | 16:03 |
| timeless_mbp | there are other vendors who have indicated they're going to work in it | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/452175 | 16:03 |
| timeless_mbp | but i haven't kept score, that's typically something wikipedia does best | 16:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_System_divestiture | 16:05 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 16:05 | |
| timeless_mbp | sb2 requires a working build environment | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | why does everyone require a working build environment? | 16:06 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Yea, except this sucker seems to have been "fixed" in the kernel I have | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: hm, dunno | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | i gave up on everything scratchbox except in working hours | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:11 |
| RST38h | Lucky guy | 16:11 |
| RST38h | Log says: This bug was fixed in the package linux - 2.6.31-20.57 | 16:11 |
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| RST38h | Uname says: Linux endymion 2.6.31-20-generic #58-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 12 05:23:09 UTC 2010 | 16:11 |
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| fosstux | Hi! How usable is MeeGo on the n900 at the moment? | 16:14 |
| RST38h | it is not | 16:14 |
| fosstux | ok | 16:14 |
| fosstux | thanks | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | fosstux: it's a x terminal, but it is a functional xterm | 16:15 |
| fosstux | okay | 16:15 |
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| Stskeeps | fosstux: go read harri's post on meego-dev on meego n900 hw adaptation status | 16:15 |
| * Stskeeps tries to find | 16:15 | |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50763 | 16:16 |
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| * timeless_mbp is building m4 | 16:18 | |
| timeless_mbp | after i build m4, maybe i'll be able to build auto* | 16:18 |
| timeless_mbp | and then maybe i can build obs | 16:18 |
| timeless_mbp | (doesn't seem likely) | 16:18 |
| fosstux | Stskeeps: thank you! | 16:19 |
| fosstux | Bye! | 16:19 |
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| lbt | timeless_mbp: you know that obs uses chroot... | 16:23 |
| lbt | and you need root to chroot | 16:23 |
| timeless_mbp | which requires su? | 16:23 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll build sb2 instead :) | 16:24 |
| lbt | same problem AFAIK | 16:24 |
| timeless_mbp | i still need autoconf either way | 16:24 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 16:24 |
| timeless_mbp | sb2 doesn't | 16:24 |
| timeless_mbp | that much i know | 16:24 |
| timeless_mbp | i've even built it on osx and solaris | 16:24 |
| timeless_mbp | (it doesn't work there, but..) | 16:24 |
| timeless_mbp | sb2 does its magic by using tricks against libc (roughly) | 16:24 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Is there any way to switch sb2 to using host tools? | 16:29 |
| * RST38h never liked the idea of running tools inside qemu anyway | 16:29 | |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: -e | 16:29 |
| timeless_mbp | does rpmbuild rebuild each time or will it used cached output? | 16:33 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: sb2 -e? Doesn't it simply start the shell? | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | no, it runs everything emulated | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | oh | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | opposite | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | no idea, isn't that what the mappings are for? | 16:34 |
| * RST38h does not even know what mappings are | 16:34 | |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 16:34 | |
| timeless_mbp | ok, so rpmbuild keeps clobbering | 16:34 |
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| * RST38h wonders if sacrificing a black pigmy goat will make SB2 work again. | 16:38 | |
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| timeless_mbp | + %make_install | 16:53 |
| timeless_mbp | /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.98230: line 33: fg: no job control | 16:53 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 16:53 | |
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| CosmoHill | why do you need an RPM? | 16:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | i don't need an rpm | 17:01 |
| timeless_mbp | i need a working build env | 17:01 |
| timeless_mbp | which means i need m4, auto*, and i dunno | 17:01 |
| CosmoHill | but your on someone else's server and don't have it? | 17:07 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly | 17:11 |
| CosmoHill | you're on a company's server and they don't trust you | 17:11 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm on a computer in a cloud without root access | 17:11 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't trust me! | 17:11 |
| CosmoHill | damn that helicopter is loud | 17:11 |
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| CosmoHill | they're going nuts up there | 17:12 |
| CosmoHill | first a helicopter, then a plane and a glider | 17:12 |
| CosmoHill | at least...i hope it's a glider... | 17:13 |
| CosmoHill | timeless_mbp: i went to a seminar about cloud computing | 17:13 |
| CosmoHill | learnt some stuff and cool things | 17:13 |
| timeless_mbp | they have seminars about this stuff? | 17:14 |
| CosmoHill | yeah | 17:14 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, this is really just normal "i'm not god, but i have access to a compiler and want to get work done" | 17:14 |
| timeless_mbp | i've been doing it since 1998 | 17:14 |
| timeless_mbp | it's doable, but linux does not make it easy | 17:14 |
| Termana | Thats right | 17:15 |
| CosmoHill | :( | 17:15 |
| Termana | Because in Linux your SUPPOSE to be god | 17:15 |
| Termana | Rule with an iron fist | 17:15 |
| CosmoHill | I might do something about cloud computing in my dissertation | 17:15 |
| Termana | and LART the idiots who question your authorti | 17:15 |
| timeless_mbp | Termana: which never made sense to me | 17:15 |
| Termana | (purposely misspelled btw) | 17:15 |
| timeless_mbp | i didn't see how that was better than windows | 17:15 |
| timeless_mbp | Termana: you're, supposed =( | 17:16 |
| Termana | ok they weren't purposely misspelled and gramatically incorrect | 17:16 |
| CosmoHill | at uni we have a mix of systems | 17:16 |
| CosmoHill | the lecturing labs have thing clients that connect to a VM | 17:16 |
| CosmoHill | the library has thin clients to look things up and PCs to do work | 17:17 |
| CosmoHill | and their are computers everywhere connected to TVs to display information | 17:17 |
| CosmoHill | a pico box and wifi would be better | 17:17 |
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| CosmoHill | how easy is it to write something to read an xml file and generate objects from it? | 19:49 |
| CosmoHill | in c++ | 19:50 |
| AstralStorm | CosmoHill: libxml++ | 19:51 |
| AstralStorm | with that, fairly easy | 19:52 |
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| CosmoHill | i have libxml2 installed | 19:54 |
| CosmoHill | is that is? | 19:54 |
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| CosmoHill | i think i might use CSV for my assignment | 20:02 |
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| ezjd | Anyone noticed that no emails on maillist for 2 days, or is it just me? | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | weekend? :P | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah | 20:04 |
| ezjd | Hi Stskeeps. I browsed the IRC log, looks like you are doing some real work ... | 20:05 |
| w00t_ | he's just good at karma whoring | 20:06 |
| w00t_ | (but yes, he's productive) | 20:06 |
| CosmoHill | Public IRC logs, preserving your mistakes for the world to see. | 20:07 |
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| ezjd | I see. I spent a few days (a couple of hours a day :) ) to figure out that Day one release is actually a basic moblin (or fedora?) command line "UI" release, just like announced. | 20:11 |
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| Stskeeps | what did you think it was, android UI? ;) | 20:11 |
| ezjd | Seems more packages are added/updated but I have no ideas where MeeGo is heading. | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | guess we'll first know at 1.0 :/ | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | ezjd, the UI went internal for the transition for some stupid (business/legal) reason. | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should be going public "soon". | 20:13 |
| ezjd | Stskeeps: actually, I also compared with Debian grip, I don't see much different, feature wise. | 20:13 |
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| ezjd | I have a question about distribution dev. Looks like MeeGo creates its "home grow" packages in git and all others in repo(src rpm), I am wondering if it is the normal style to do version control. | 20:17 |
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| ezjd | ... because I don't see patchs to upstream pkg are under version control except for kernel. | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | well, except in OBS | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | there's a revision log when you commit a package s | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | o | 20:23 |
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| ezjd | Stskeeps, thx! I think OBS uses Subversion so that it is the VCS for distribution and git is for individual packages. | 20:27 |
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| ezjd | I gotta go. Bye! | 20:36 |
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| Stskeeps | cya | 20:36 |
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