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| lbt | hmm - so http://repo.meego.com/ still doesn't have /tools ... | 01:02 |
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| mstetson | Are there still repos available online for building images with mic based on Moblin 2.1? The repodata under http://repo.moblin.org/moblin/releases/2.1 seems to have been removed. | 01:05 |
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| lbt | mstetson: yeah. They are doing a server shift today. However I think that data was purged before this. | 01:08 |
| mstetson | So MeeGo's not ready for use, but the Moblin data's being removed? Doesn't sound like a good plan to me. | 01:09 |
| mstetson | On a similar note, the links on moblin.org to the 2.1 images are broken. | 01:10 |
| lbt | It's my understanding that moblin is dead | 01:10 |
| lbt | however I'm not in any way a spokesman.... try #moblin though? | 01:11 |
| mstetson | It makes sense to shift focus, but why remove usable software before the replacement's ready. I'll try on #moblin. | 01:11 |
| lbt | completely agree - driving me nuts too :) | 01:11 |
| arjan | various servers are moving today and potentially tomorrow | 01:13 |
| arjan | don't read too much in what is or is not there right now | 01:13 |
| mstetson | That's good news. So I should be able to build Moblin 2.1 images in a couple of days? | 01:14 |
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| lbt | arjan: any news when /tools is back on http://repo.meego.com/ | 01:15 |
| lbt | as per http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation | 01:15 |
| CosmoHill | I spoke to my friend who owns the server and he's happy to host the meego vdi | 01:17 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: cheers, I'm looking for the tools at the minute | 01:17 |
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| lcuk | arjan, you are meant to give a jedi hand swipe when saying things like that | 01:27 |
| lcuk | adds to the effect | 01:27 |
| DawnFoster | "These are not the images you are looking for" | 01:29 |
| lcuk | :D | 01:29 |
| lcuk | hiya DawnFoster | 01:29 |
| lcuk | its nearly weekend again :D | 01:29 |
| * lcuk is happy tonight to know that | 01:30 | |
| DawnFoster | hey lcuk. | 01:30 |
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| DawnFoster | we still have a way to go before the weekend here :) | 01:30 |
| lcuk | yeah its thursday afternoon now for you isnt it? | 01:31 |
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| DawnFoster | yep. 3:30, so I'm still finishing up the Thursday work day. | 01:31 |
| arjan | it sure feels like friday | 01:31 |
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| DawnFoster | yeah, I've had one of those weeks, too | 01:32 |
| DawnFoster | I'm ready for that weekend :) | 01:32 |
| lcuk | bleugh! snap | 01:33 |
| lcuk | tho tonight has been for some reason uplifting | 01:33 |
| CosmoHill | I've been thinking ti's tomorrow all week | 01:33 |
| CosmoHill | so on tuesday i think it's wednesday | 01:33 |
| lcuk | lol | 01:33 |
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| lcuk | how would i find a decent working large format multitouch device - the screen quality on this packard bell is letting it down | 01:34 |
| * lcuk would have gotten a hp, but the only ones in shop were amd | 01:34 | |
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| * TSCHAKeee has a JooJoo on backorder | 01:35 | |
| lcuk | that sounds painful | 01:35 |
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| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, that joojoo has ~same specs as my x41 | 01:38 |
| lcuk | apart from touch tech | 01:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm really only concerned about a well designed slate | 01:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | so that I can do UI research work | 01:39 |
| * TSCHAKeee is rather pissed that only Apple seems to give a shit about whole system design | 01:40 | |
| lbt | TSCHAKeee: just mailed you | 01:40 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, been researching for a while ;) http://liqbase.net/liqbase_big.JPG | 01:41 |
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| b-man_fedora | chatting from my N900 booted into Fedora :))))) | 05:56 |
| b-man_fedora | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=601109#post601109 :) | 05:57 |
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| Myrtti | DawnFoster: how many stickers did you get? if I don't get one next week, I'll throw all my toys out my pram | 06:05 |
| * microlith hopes the schedules come together and he can get to san francisco next thursday | 06:09 | |
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| DawnFoster | myrtti - I have 500 :) | 06:31 |
| DawnFoster | will you be at the collabsummit? | 06:32 |
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| Myrtti | DawnFoster: yup, also trying to poke the upper echelons for CELF | 06:51 |
| Myrtti | I'm really fretty about the public transport though. Sunnyvale to SF by a US public transport n00b... | 06:53 |
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| DawnFoster | will be great to meet you in person! | 06:56 |
| Myrtti | likewise :-) | 07:00 |
| rektide | /l/win 81 | 07:03 |
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| GAN900 | Myrtti, ah, cool, I'll be there too. | 08:46 |
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| * GAN900 is playing "Damn, I feel asleep on the couch at 8 PM. . . ." | 08:49 | |
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| rmrfchik | talk.maemo.org down? | 14:17 |
| aziwoqpd | timing out for me | 14:19 |
| brik | works here | 14:20 |
| aziwoqpd | now it's working again | 14:20 |
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| rsadhu | hi | 16:39 |
| rsadhu | all | 16:40 |
| rsadhu | can i set up meego on my system ? | 16:40 |
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| rmrfchik | i have no objections | 16:44 |
| amjad | any one here | 16:44 |
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| amjad | i tried following the wiki to build meego livecd on fedora 11 , but here is the error i get | 16:56 |
| amjad | usr/bin/isohybrid: cannot open -partok: No such file or directory | 16:56 |
| amjad | Error: failed to create image : Hybrid ISO creation failed! | 16:56 |
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| DawnFoster | We have MeeGo stickers now. I'm going to bring them to the CollabSummit next week. http://www.flickr.com/photos/geekygirldawn/4505576032/ | 18:02 |
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| * w00t_ wants one :< | 18:03 | |
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| slaine | I'd rather have a netbook install I could use :) | 18:05 |
| * Stskeeps glances at the powervr driver in meego kernel | 18:05 | |
| Anss| | well you can at least put a sticker on it :) | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if it could deal with psb too | 18:05 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: where are your priorities?!? | 18:05 |
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| slaine | DawnFoster: as a user its in having the moblin 2.2 release available. I'm had a more usable developers build of meego back in february than I do now. | 18:07 |
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| lcuk | the stickers lack ____ areas MeeGo_____ : MeeGoBowling MeeGoOut MeeGoHiking MeeGoDriving ;) | 18:07 |
| slaine | s/I'm/I | 18:07 |
| DawnFoster | w00t: we'll have more for people who aren't going to be at the CollabSummit for other other events. | 18:07 |
| arjan | Stskeeps: you mean the moorsetown one ? | 18:07 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:08 |
| arjan | that's actually mostly the 2D output part that is NOT powervr :) | 18:08 |
| arjan | and then some minor glue | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:08 |
| slaine | I've actually got an advantech panel pc here that uses the psb chipset too | 18:08 |
| Anss| | Other fun sticker would be *Powered by MeEgo* :) | 18:08 |
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| arjan | slaine: mrst != psb | 18:09 |
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| slaine | nod, I know | 18:09 |
| * slaine is hoping we'll see some nice mrst devices at the IDF | 18:09 | |
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| amjad | ping ajan | 18:13 |
| amjad | ping arjan | 18:13 |
| slaine | anaZ: repo's where all fine this morning (as I'm sure you know already) but thanks for sorting it | 18:13 |
| slaine | Got Moblin 2.1 back up and running again on my mini9 | 18:13 |
| arjan | amjad: hi | 18:13 |
| amjad | ok did you see my issues with creating meego iso using mic | 18:14 |
| amjad | usr/bin/isohybrid: cannot open -partok: No such file or directory | 18:14 |
| amjad | Error: failed to create image : Hybrid ISO creation failed! | 18:14 |
| arjan | there have been a slew of emails so not sure | 18:15 |
| arjan | what OS are you doing this on? | 18:15 |
| amjad | this on Fedora 11 | 18:15 |
| amjad | does mic have issues with Fedora 11?? | 18:15 |
| arjan | not sure, I think our fedora using friends in the mic team use 12 | 18:15 |
| * arjan is using moblin/meego for the last year for things like this | 18:15 | |
| arjan | dogfood and all | 18:15 |
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| amjad | ok | 18:16 |
| arjan | if it can be made to work, great, but MIC does need some minimum versions of components | 18:16 |
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| rsadhu | can anyone guide me, how to set up meego ? | 19:46 |
| CosmoHill | arm or x86? | 19:47 |
| rsadhu | x86 | 19:47 |
| CosmoHill | (please don't take my question as a "yes") | 19:47 |
| CosmoHill | what processor do you have? | 19:47 |
| rsadhu | x86 machine intel 2.5 | 19:48 |
| CosmoHill | do you have a spare 512MB or bigger usb memory stick? | 19:48 |
| rsadhu | yh | 19:51 |
| rsadhu | i gt mem | 19:51 |
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| CosmoHill | i think it's basically | 19:53 |
| CosmoHill | dd if=/path/to/meego.usbimg of=/dev/disk99 | 19:54 |
| CosmoHill | where disk99 is your memory stick | 19:54 |
| rsadhu | hi frnd | 19:54 |
| rsadhu | i m new to meego stuff | 19:54 |
| rsadhu | rather i know nothing | 19:54 |
| rsadhu | i just think its maemo cum moblin | 19:54 |
| rsadhu | i hv maemo | 19:54 |
| rsadhu | now i want meego on my laptop | 19:55 |
| rsadhu | so that i can develop something on it | 19:55 |
| CosmoHill | like a GUI application? | 19:55 |
| rsadhu | yeh | 19:57 |
| rsadhu | in n out | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | I think you might want to get Qt Creator then | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | since meego will use Qt | 19:57 |
| rsadhu | yeh ryt | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: please let me know if I'm talking out of my arse | 19:57 |
| rsadhu | sorry | 19:58 |
| rsadhu | what ? | 19:58 |
| * TSCHAKeee facepalms | 19:58 | |
| CosmoHill | rsadhu: don't worry about the last thing i said | 19:58 |
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| rsadhu | actually cosmohill what i wanna is set up the environment for meego like maemo , but i m nt sure is it open yet or not? | 20:02 |
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| CosmoHill | an SDK? | 20:03 |
| rsadhu | yeh | 20:03 |
| mmeeks | pippin: have you any idea whom (inside intel uk) might have told me not to 'merge' public git branches, but just re-base them ? | 20:03 |
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| CosmoHill | intel UK based in cambridge? | 20:07 |
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| GAN900 | Stickers . . . I still need to find a maemo.org one. | 20:15 |
| pippin | mmeeks: dunno neither why nor whom, but my guess for the latter would be young bradford | 20:16 |
| mmeeks | CosmoHill: I'm with Novell UK (Newmarket - just-me Office) ;-) | 20:17 |
| CosmoHill | oooo | 20:17 |
| CosmoHill | I'll look up Newmarket once my cd has finished importing | 20:18 |
| CosmoHill | I was close with the postcode | 20:19 |
| pippin | CosmoHill: I am with Intel OTC in UK, EC3 | 20:20 |
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| _Sky_ | rsadhu: you might want to try out MIC2 (Meego Image Creator) , with it you can chroot inside the meego image and start developing on your pc | 21:03 |
| _Sky_ | check out this: http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_Meego_Environment | 21:04 |
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| Myrtti | peanutbutter jelly time | 21:08 |
| rsadhu | thnks sky | 21:08 |
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| slaine | Right, time to head | 21:21 |
| slaine | catch you all next week | 21:21 |
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| DawnFoster | later slaine | 21:21 |
| Myrtti | I wonder if there's any carpooling stuff going on for next week from south bay. I feel like banging my head on the keyboard several times over when I'm looking at 511.org | 21:22 |
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| DawnFoster | Myrtti: I imagine that some people from the south bay would be making the drive. Public transit from south bay to SF kinda sucks. | 21:25 |
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| DawnFoster | Once you get far enough north to catch bart, it's pretty easy from there. I take bart from the airport all the time. | 21:26 |
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| * GeneralAntilles needs to fill time Tuesday afternoon. . . . | 22:41 | |
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| lbt | anaZ: ping... would there be any issues in talking to the OBS guys about a remoteurl to the meego builder? | 23:03 |
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| anaZ | yes, there will be | 23:05 |
| anaZ | remoteurl is broken | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | (why?) | 23:07 |
| lbt | in what way anaZ. the main OBS doesn't seem to have a problem | 23:07 |
| lbt | I heard you mention it on the conference call | 23:07 |
| anaZ | so you know why :) | 23:08 |
| lbt | well, no | 23:09 |
| lbt | you mentioned it was all | 23:09 |
| anaZ | it blocks the scheduler | 23:09 |
| lbt | so why doesn't it do that on b.o.o | 23:09 |
| anaZ | it=? | 23:10 |
| anaZ | why do you mean | 23:10 |
| anaZ | b.o.o is not remotely linked to anything I guess | 23:10 |
| lbt | no, I mean the other way around | 23:10 |
| anaZ | if you link to b.o.o you will notice it | 23:10 |
| lbt | get b.o.o to remoteurl you | 23:10 |
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| lbt | so community people can build against Meego | 23:11 |
| anaZ | fine, but as I said, and the obs team acknowledged the issue, we will not do it until this is fixed | 23:11 |
| lbt | noone wants to use build.meego.org to build against suse/fedora/ubuntu AFAIK | 23:11 |
| lbt | OK, so asking adrian to setup MeeGo.com on *his* OBS will cause him problems.... which he will have to fix | 23:12 |
| lbt | and there's no problem from a closedness PoV for MeeGo | 23:13 |
| anaZ | it will cause us problems as well | 23:13 |
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| lbt | now that I don't understand? | 23:13 |
| anaZ | on both sides | 23:13 |
| lbt | since many other OBS instances link to the main opensuse OBS and it doesn't mind at all | 23:13 |
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| anaZ | whenever a package is pulled from the origin, scheduler is blocked | 23:14 |
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| anaZ | lbt probably you do not notice that because boo is always overloaded | 23:14 |
| anaZ | so you take it for granted | 23:14 |
| lbt | OK, and the meego OBS can't cope with it? | 23:14 |
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| lbt | I notice it's fairly idle at the moment... and it usually is | 23:15 |
| anaZ | when the time is right and the bugs are fixed, we will do it | 23:16 |
| lbt | Do you have a bug #? | 23:17 |
| lbt | so we can track it and maybe even work on it? | 23:17 |
| anaZ | no I don;t | 23:18 |
| lbt | OK, shall we start by reporting it then? | 23:18 |
| anaZ | as long as you are not reporting the bug against me, sure you can :) | 23:20 |
| lbt | no, not against you :) | 23:21 |
| lbt | I'd like to put you in as a cc of course | 23:21 |
| lbt | summary : Local OBS scheduler blocks when a remote OBS instance pulls packages from local OBS | 23:21 |
| lbt | incidentally, how do you know this? | 23:22 |
| lbt | is it when you have setup OBSes to link against the moblin build service? | 23:22 |
| anaZ | just do trigger some traffic over the link and you will notice how the scheduler is blocked waiting for something to upload/download | 23:24 |
| anaZ | over a slow link, this is very bad | 23:24 |
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| anaZ | I noticed that when a 400mb package was moved over to the other obs | 23:24 |
| lbt | ah, so the public OBS isn't hit so bad because it's a fast link? | 23:24 |
| anaZ | build system was blocker for 1 hour | 23:24 |
| anaZ | blocked | 23:25 |
| lbt | OK. | 23:25 |
| lbt | anaZ: could you add yourself to : https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=595480 | 23:27 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: thanks for taking the time to file a bug report for it! | 23:31 |
| lbt | np... hope we can get it fixed | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | it is kinda essential in order to have a sane obs setup at companies and anyone :P | 23:33 |
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| lbt | I am rather surprised it's an issue. Since the public OBS is easily 100x bigger and has *lots* of remote links. OTOH it doesn't serve up 400Mb image files... | 23:34 |
| lbt | I could comment on the wisdom of 400Mb packages.... | 23:35 |
| lbt | but needs must | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | could even be a dos angle i guess | 23:35 |
| lbt | I also note that the Nokia internal OBS links against it without any issues | 23:36 |
| lbt | but since the MeeGo OBS is not visible to many (any?) people outside Intel/Nokia... I dunno. | 23:37 |
| anaZ | 434M chromium-5.0.355.0-4.4.src.rpm | 23:37 |
| * lbt feels no need to withdraw his comment ;) | 23:38 | |
| anaZ | and that was just how the bug was noticed | 23:38 |
| anaZ | you dont need 400Mb to block things | 23:38 |
| anaZ | 10mb is enough over a busy link | 23:38 |
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| lbt | anaZ: I'm not doubting the bug | 23:39 |
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| anaZ | this issue was acknowledged by Adrian and by mls | 23:39 |
| anaZ | i was told it is by design :) | 23:39 |
| lbt | heh, we've both read the code... | 23:40 |
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| anaZ | do you know actually if b.o.o is linking to something else? | 23:44 |
| lbt | I'm not aware of any | 23:45 |
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