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| CosmoHill | anyone use git? | 03:11 |
| CosmoHill | say I've accidentally delete a file and want to pull it again, how would I do that? | 03:12 |
| _Sky_ | maybe this helps: http://thefinerstuff.posterous.com/git-saved-my-day-restore-accid | 03:14 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 03:15 |
| * CosmoHill bows | 03:15 | |
| CosmoHill | [01:15] <Ratrophy> 1740934 packets transmitted | 03:15 |
| CosmoHill | oops | 03:15 |
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| _Sky_ | looks like many ^^ | 03:16 |
| CosmoHill | koupsaa: you have IPv6, i envy you | 03:17 |
| _Sky_ | also have a look at the last comment, could be useful too | 03:17 |
| koupsaa | this is not my fault sorry :) i see not the diff for now | 03:19 |
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| CosmoHill | _Sky_: works out at 17 days :o | 03:21 |
| _Sky_ | ? | 03:23 |
| CosmoHill | the ping thing | 03:23 |
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| _Sky_ | :D | 03:24 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 03:25 |
| _Sky_ | good night | 03:25 |
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| alden | how can i do a git checkout of the current meego branch? | 03:26 |
| alden | cant find anything in the wiki | 03:27 |
| koupsaa | alden http://meego.gitorious.org/ | 03:28 |
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| alden | koupsaa: thanks. | 03:34 |
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| vaughan | is there any document about how to porting meego to other hardware platform? thanks in advance | 04:59 |
| vaughan | such as an ARM9 based platform | 05:00 |
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| rsalveti | vaughan: it should be very easy to port it | 05:08 |
| rsalveti | currently I think it's armv5 only | 05:08 |
| rsalveti | so you can put it on most arm devices available nowadays | 05:08 |
| rsalveti | get the tarball rootfs, for example, put your kernel modules, flash your kernel and boot the rootfs | 05:08 |
| nMIK-3 | any idea if the May release will include the GUI? | 05:09 |
| rsalveti | nMIK-3: on nokia side you can already "try" the harmattan ui | 05:10 |
| rsalveti | guess that the may release will bring it, for n900 | 05:10 |
| rsalveti | but don't know for other devices, as currently the ui is still based on clutter and gtk | 05:10 |
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| nMIK-3 | yes but I thing Meego's GUI will be different from Harmattan no? | 05:12 |
| rsalveti | probably | 05:12 |
| nMIK-3 | i beleive the big challence for both Nkia and Intel will be the GUI as MeeGo is set to equally support phones, netbooks and other devices while at the same time all of them have different GUI needs | 05:13 |
| nMIK-3 | for example a mobile computer like the N900 wust be finger friendly while a netbook must be mouse friently | 05:14 |
| nMIK-3 | I hope Nokia and Intel both have something in mind to address this issue | 05:15 |
| rsalveti | sure, but Nokia also said that most of the GUI components will be responsability of the hardware vendor itself | 05:15 |
| rsalveti | so I think we'll have a default UI | 05:15 |
| rsalveti | but it's not going to be used for the nokia meego devices | 05:15 |
| rsalveti | regarding netbooks, I think the default UI will probably be the one delivered and used by intel in its products | 05:16 |
| nMIK-3 | rsvalveti this is good solution but it will be confusing for the end users | 05:16 |
| nMIK-3 | first of all the quality of the gui will be based on the manufacturer | 05:17 |
| nMIK-3 | second an end user will not be able to understand and use two different machines with two different guis | 05:17 |
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| rsalveti | yeah, and what worries me the most is the use of a different UI api and framework | 05:18 |
| nMIK-3 | i beleibe a good solution will be advance themes | 05:18 |
| rsalveti | for example, in maemo they are developing the DUI | 05:18 |
| rsalveti | and symbian we have orbit | 05:18 |
| rsalveti | and porting one application to one platform to another is not going to be trivial, as the api is different | 05:19 |
| rsalveti | so besides the UI behavior, we still have the problem of not having a common api | 05:19 |
| nMIK-3 | this is why they are betting on QT | 05:19 |
| w00t_ | use Qt itself, don't use DUI, don't use Orbit | 05:19 |
| w00t_ | and you will be fine | 05:19 |
| rsalveti | sure | 05:19 |
| rsalveti | you'll probably not fully use the UI, but it's the best option if you want to use it in another UI or device | 05:20 |
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| nMIK-3 | GUI guys... for me this is the KEY for MeeGo's success or failure | 05:20 |
| nMIK-3 | and I am afraid that they will screw this up... | 05:21 |
| nMIK-3 | so back in my question, do you guys think we will see MeeGo GUI Proposal in the schedule May release? | 05:23 |
| w00t_ | you will probably see *A* meego GUI, yes | 05:23 |
| w00t_ | but it most likely won't be used by any manufacturer | 05:24 |
| w00t_ | so I'm not sure why you're so worried about it | 05:24 |
| w00t_ | be more terrified what individual companies come up with | 05:24 |
| nMIK-3 | because if MeeGo ends up having different GUI on phones, netbooks & other devices it will be very confusing for the end user | 05:25 |
| nMIK-3 | look windows | 05:25 |
| nMIK-3 | all this years are perfect for the desktop | 05:25 |
| nMIK-3 | but it just fails to satisfly in touchscreens | 05:26 |
| w00t_ | it will almost certainly end up having different GUI, unfortunately | 05:26 |
| w00t_ | different companies want different things, and one thing almost all companies want is differentiation | 05:26 |
| rsalveti | yeah, I don't think we'll have a common UI or something like that | 05:26 |
| rsalveti | Qt will be the top-most common API | 05:27 |
| w00t_ | (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_differentiation) | 05:27 |
| nMIK-3 | windows 7 the same thing, this is why HP will highly customize the new HP slate with special theme to make it touch friendly | 05:27 |
| * w00t_ yawns and goes back to doing productive things | 05:27 | |
| nMIK-3 | but no matter how far HP goes with customization you can still tell that HP slate is still a windows 7 machine | 05:28 |
| tmzt_ | Navigator | 05:29 |
| nMIK-3 | as I said. I beleibe MeeGo must have a unique GUI accross the different platforms but different themes in order to be able to serve different needs | 05:29 |
| nMIK-3 | if Nokia manage to do that then it will be great | 05:30 |
| nMIK-3 | if not I am not sure where this will go | 05:30 |
| nMIK-3 | especially with todays compatition | 05:30 |
| nMIK-3 | the last thing Nokia and Intel want right now is confusion | 05:31 |
| nMIK-3 | and everybody knows that GUI is the signature of each OS | 05:31 |
| nMIK-3 | gtg talk to you soon | 05:34 |
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| Manuk | hi | 09:25 |
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| johnxx | hello | 09:26 |
| Manuk | where can i follow the status of the development on meego.com? | 09:26 |
| johnxx | well, they have a blogs section (which your probably already saw), but if you want lots and lots of updates, you could follow them on meego.gitorious.org | 09:28 |
| Manuk | ok thx | 09:28 |
| Manuk | ill have a look | 09:28 |
| johnxx | the mailing lists would probably provide lots of info too | 09:28 |
| Manuk | hope the tdevelopment goes well you developer guys rock keep up the good work :) | 09:29 |
| johnxx | <- not a dev | 09:30 |
| Manuk | im waiting for the UI then as im only user | 09:30 |
| johnxx | just hanging out :) | 09:30 |
| Manuk | hehe | 09:30 |
| Manuk | a.so on n900? | 09:31 |
| Manuk | also? sorry tiny keys | 09:31 |
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| hurdman | hi | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | hello | 10:24 |
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| th0br0 | hello hurdman and Stskeeps | 10:38 |
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| slaine | morning all | 10:57 |
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| Stskeeps | morning slaine | 11:02 |
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| th0br0 | morning slaine | 11:03 |
| slaine | hey guys | 11:03 |
| slaine | back to the slog today after a nice long weekend | 11:03 |
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| th0br0 | :) | 11:03 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:10 |
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| th0br0 | hello Jaffa | 11:12 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: seem my repo bug was fixed | 11:13 |
| slaine | gnome-python2-canvas is now part of the repo so the installer package installs correctly | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | good | 11:14 |
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| slaine | bug #422 cresolved/fixed | 11:15 |
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| Jaffa | Woohoo, Joggler's arrived. At home, though. | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | woo :) | 12:46 |
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| slaine | mmeeks: you about ? | 13:58 |
| mmeeks | slaine: yes indeed - whatsup ? :-) | 14:00 |
| slaine | just wondering about that CPU Architecture discussion on the dev list | 14:00 |
| slaine | I know you've done a lot of work with compilers and optimization on the OOo code base, so was interested in hearing your thoughts | 14:01 |
| slaine | To me, the requirement for having ssse3 on the cpu is a PITA | 14:01 |
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| slaine | I've a bunch of older hardware that I'd have liked to use Moblin/MeeGo. There's a lot of that hardware still be sold for industrial PC's etc. | 14:02 |
| slaine | Doess 586+ssse3 really give that much of a benefit over 686+sse2 ? | 14:03 |
| slaine | And if 586+ssse3 has such an advantage over generic builds, what does that mean for ARM | 14:03 |
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| ius | ARMv7 <> ARMv5 should be quite a difference, considering NEON.. | 14:04 |
| slaine | It's using the same code but doesn't have those IA extensions to benefit from. I'm sure ARM has some sort of SIMD instructions but will it offer similar levels of performance | 14:04 |
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| slaine | Yes, ius NEON is the ARM SIMD instruction set right ? | 14:05 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: yup ? | 14:05 |
| CosmoHill | i have a x86 meego vdi image for virtualbox | 14:05 |
| ius | Yes. | 14:05 |
| CosmoHill | ::) | 14:05 |
| CosmoHill | i need to test it hto | 14:05 |
| CosmoHill | tho* | 14:05 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: I saw, well done. Did you use mrec's guide or make some mods yourself ? | 14:06 |
| CosmoHill | i used mrec's guide | 14:06 |
| CosmoHill | _Sky_ has made a new one with his own kernel | 14:06 |
| CosmoHill | this should have better support than the one made using mrec's guide | 14:06 |
| slaine | What did he change in the kernel to make it work ? | 14:07 |
| CosmoHill | i think i was just the processor option | 14:07 |
| slaine | Wonder did anyone log a bug on that issue | 14:08 |
| CosmoHill | bbl, I'm gonna test the new image | 14:08 |
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| ToArtist | hi,how can i develop meego application under windows | 14:10 |
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| slaine | ToArtist: Start using Qt and you should be able to port over | 14:14 |
| ToArtist | yeah,I am using qt,but i don't have the environment of meego | 14:15 |
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| slaine | There's no official SDK at the moment | 14:16 |
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| Anssi|| | is there any ui specs? resolution and stuff | 14:17 |
| ToArtist | when can i get it?? | 14:17 |
| slaine | I was wonder if you could mix and match the Moblin SDK with Qt dev to get an approximation. I've no idea how it all works on Windows though as I use Linux for dev | 14:17 |
| slaine | Anssi||: not yet | 14:17 |
| slaine | ToArtist: get what, Moblin SDK > | 14:17 |
| Anssi|| | it does not so much to sense start developing without some sort ui specs | 14:17 |
| leinir | Anssi||: Well, a wild bit of specilation would be that the res and screen size of the n900 is the smallest MeeGo display :) | 14:17 |
| slaine | and 1024x600 for netbooks | 14:17 |
| CosmoHill | slaine: the new vdi is good :) | 14:17 |
| ToArtist | something like the develop of maemo | 14:17 |
| leinir | Anssi||: But, that is of course simply wild speculation ;) | 14:17 |
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| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/meego-x86.vdi :) | 14:21 |
| missdeer | lol | 14:21 |
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| CosmoHill | brb | 14:22 |
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| ToArtist | i come back,who knows callingallinnovators??Can I develop applications for Meego?? | 14:35 |
| CosmoHill | Applications are made in Qt, so if it will work on meamo is should work in meego i think | 14:36 |
| ToArtist | :) thanks | 14:37 |
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| CosmoHill | I don't think meego will have Qt until 1.1 | 14:42 |
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| Stskeeps | uh, it already has qt in repos doesn't it | 14:44 |
| w00t_ | ^ | 14:44 |
| w00t_ | as far as I know that's the case | 14:44 |
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| w00t_ | yup | 14:45 |
| w00t_ | 4.6.1 | 14:45 |
| w00t_ | (4.6.2 is out, and 4.6.3 is on the way sometime I'd guess, I wonder why that's behind the official release) | 14:46 |
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| saschi | hello | 16:45 |
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| rmrfchik | what is BUILD_ARCH target for arm? | 17:13 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: hmmm, the installer seems to be missing a font it can use on x | 17:56 |
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| Stskeeps | install xfonts-something | 17:57 |
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| Jontte | hey, how do you recommend I run the X-server? I'm running the live usb image for netbooks | 18:01 |
| CosmoHill | startx? | 18:01 |
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| Jontte | not found | 18:02 |
| CosmoHill | try | 18:02 |
| CosmoHill | zypper install xorg-* | 18:02 |
| CosmoHill | (if it goes wrong, i take no responsibility :) ) | 18:02 |
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| Jontte | ah, so its a packaging issue.. thanks. Do you know if meego uses xdm/gdm/kdm? | 18:04 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: I'll take a look | 18:04 |
| slaine | Jontte: it'll use none of those | 18:05 |
| slaine | uxlaunch | 18:05 |
| Jontte | I see | 18:05 |
| slaine | Though, for a dev env, you can install gdm/XFCE | 18:05 |
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| Jontte | open source fanatics go for the latter | 18:22 |
| Jontte | It has all the features I'll ever need, at least. | 18:23 |
| th0br0 | Except for USB support, which is only in the closed source version | 18:25 |
| CosmoHill | I used to have vmware server IIRC but for some reason after a clean install it wouldn't workl | 18:25 |
| Jontte | true | 18:25 |
| CosmoHill | so I changed to virtualbox | 18:25 |
| CosmoHill | SATA drivers too | 18:25 |
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| CosmoHill | I wonder when the virtualbox boot screen will be rebranded to orcal | 18:31 |
| Jontte | how advanced is the meego installer when it comes to resizing partitions? | 18:31 |
| Jontte | I'm trying to install meego as a tertiary OS on my netbook | 18:32 |
| CosmoHill | I have no idea since I can't get the installer to boot | 18:32 |
| th0br0 | CosmoHill: "orcal"? | 18:32 |
| CosmoHill | Oracle | 18:32 |
| th0br0 | ah ^^ | 18:32 |
| th0br0 | Jontte: there is an installer? | 18:32 |
| th0br0 | I don't think so. | 18:33 |
| th0br0 | Not yet. | 18:33 |
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| Jontte | okay, the boot up menu says something about direct install but I guess I shouldn't try that then? | 18:33 |
| th0br0 | No idea :) | 18:34 |
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| th0br0 | Try it.. | 18:34 |
| th0br0 | You'll see how it works out. | 18:34 |
| th0br0 | But it's not really mass-consumable right now anyway from what i know. | 18:34 |
| CosmoHill | Jontte: is this the 2nd or 3rd option down? | 18:34 |
| Jontte | second yes | 18:35 |
| Jontte | first one being live boot and the third one directing to local boot | 18:35 |
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| CosmoHill | oh snap, I've just seen the prices fo virtual box | 18:40 |
| CosmoHill | the one you have to pay for | 18:40 |
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| CosmoHill | ooo, vmware player is free and you can create virtual machines now | 18:48 |
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| saoirse | has anyone got meego runing on aspire one ? | 19:14 |
| microlith | I had it going | 19:14 |
| microlith | not much more than a console though | 19:14 |
| saoirse | hmmm all i seem to get is a local host login screen | 19:14 |
| microlith | that's all it is | 19:15 |
| microlith | at this point a tleast | 19:15 |
| saoirse | pretty splash images at boot and power down though | 19:15 |
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| CosmoHill | you can install x11 i think | 19:19 |
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| CosmoHill | hahahah | 19:27 |
| CosmoHill | there is a website company that will change you $100 to fix w3c coding errors in your website | 19:27 |
| Jontte | nice | 19:27 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, then start a site offering $99 solutions :p | 19:27 |
| * w00t_ charges lcuk $98 for being a special customer | 19:29 | |
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| develCuy | I'm trying to test preview images | 19:30 |
| CosmoHill | arm or x86? | 19:30 |
| develCuy | just downloaded meego-preview-aava-core-20100330-001.tar.bz2 | 19:30 |
| develCuy | but don't know how to use it | 19:30 |
| develCuy | I'm in Ubuntu 9.10 64 bit | 19:31 |
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| develCuy | also have meego-preview-netbook-core-20100330-001.usbimg | 19:31 |
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| develCuy | tried to run it with qemu, but got a kernel panic | 19:32 |
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| CosmoHill | do you have virtualbox installed? | 19:33 |
| develCuy | yep | 19:33 |
| CosmoHill | one mo | 19:35 |
| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/meego-x86.vdi | 19:35 |
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| develCuy | cosmo, thank you!!! | 19:36 |
| develCuy | how can we have that image added to meego's wiki? | 19:36 |
| CosmoHill | er, | 19:37 |
| CosmoHill | download and see if it works first | 19:37 |
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| glinpus | usbimg paniced in qemu for me also, on a couple of machines | 19:38 |
| jpwhiting | CosmoHill: ping | 19:38 |
| CosmoHill | jpwhiting: pong | 19:38 |
| jpwhiting | CosmoHill: hey, I heard you were able to get meego running in virtualbox, is that right? | 19:39 |
| develCuy | how it is supposed that we are going to contribute to MeeGo project, if don't have a reliable way to run it on VirtualBox or Qemu? | 19:39 |
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| jpwhiting | I downloaded the meego handset image, and converted the boot and sda bins into vdi images | 19:39 |
| jpwhiting | but couldn't get either one to boot | 19:39 |
| CosmoHill | jpwhiting: http://www.sundtek.de/meego/index.txt | 19:40 |
| jpwhiting | CosmoHill: thx | 19:40 |
| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/readme.txt | 19:40 |
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| jpwhiting | CosmoHill: I downloaded and tried meego-x86.vdi | 20:15 |
| CosmoHill | :) | 20:16 |
| jpwhiting | and Boot Meego and Install only both seem to just hang | 20:16 |
| CosmoHill | boot meego display a white background | 20:16 |
| jpwhiting | I have a second image as my primary slave (meego-sda.vdi) | 20:16 |
| CosmoHill | then shows up with the login prompt | 20:16 |
| jpwhiting | no, it just stays at the grub menu | 20:16 |
| CosmoHill | did you press enter? | 20:16 |
| jpwhiting | but arrows no longer work after I hit enter | 20:16 |
| jpwhiting | yes | 20:16 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 20:16 |
| CosmoHill | no idea | 20:17 |
| jpwhiting | do I need to tweak some vm settings? | 20:17 |
| jpwhiting | pae or apic or something? | 20:17 |
| CosmoHill | don't think so | 20:17 |
| develCuy | CosmoHill, meego starts with no X :( | 20:17 |
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| CosmoHill | develCuy: that is correct | 20:17 |
| CosmoHill | there is no x11 installed by default | 20:18 |
| CosmoHill | I don't know how to install it either | 20:18 |
| develCuy | :S | 20:18 |
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| develCuy | which is the graphic interface then? | 20:18 |
| jpwhiting | none yet I believe X will be though | 20:18 |
| CosmoHill | you could try "yum install xorg-*" but I get Illegal error | 20:18 |
| jpwhiting | CosmoHill: hmm, after removing my second partition (meego-sda.vdi) it still doesn't do anything after grub screen... | 20:19 |
| develCuy | .... | 20:19 |
| develCuy | so meego is just a console?! | 20:19 |
| CosmoHill | at the moment | 20:19 |
| develCuy | you mean your vdi? or the whole meego? | 20:19 |
| jpwhiting | the whole meego | 20:20 |
| develCuy | omg | 20:20 |
| develCuy | let's install x then | 20:20 |
| koupsaa | there is xorg to in repo | 20:20 |
| develCuy | first we need ethernet drivers | 20:21 |
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| develCuy | modprobe pcnet32 | 20:26 |
| develCuy | if you are in VB | 20:26 |
| koupsaa | you can add xorg-* in .ks file only. just add 'yum xorg-*' on live-usb there is somes errors | 20:27 |
| develCuy | that is enough to get internet working | 20:27 |
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| develCuy | CosmoHill, got a ext3 error :( | 20:34 |
| CosmoHill | :o | 20:34 |
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| develCuy | will try to install it first | 20:35 |
| develCuy | had to download the vdi again | 20:38 |
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| develCuy | just found that meego.vdi is a mess of nested imags | 21:38 |
| develCuy | images* (disk images) | 21:38 |
| develCuy | and installer does not works... so | 21:38 |
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| develCuy | will play with it again in a few months | 21:39 |
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