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| TSCHAKeee | my god, every forum I look in with anything that meego could possibly run on | 02:07 |
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| TSCHAKeee | is full of "OMG MEEGO IS OUT! HOW DO I INSTALL?!" | 02:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | *facepalm* | 02:08 |
| _Sky_ | :D | 02:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | "If you are asking, it is not useful to you." | 02:08 |
| _Sky_ | hey, you broke the 4hour silence here ;) | 02:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | "YEAH YEAH OKAY OKAY OKAY! BUT HOW DO I INSTALL IT? I WANNA SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE!" | 02:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | at which point i drop my head, look over at the nearest brick wall, and send my head repeatedly to strike against its surface | 02:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM | 02:09 |
| _Sky_ | send them a screenshot of a xterm :D | 02:09 |
| ShadowJK | or a screenshot of plan9 | 02:09 |
| _Sky_ | lol | 02:10 |
| _Sky_ | then they will be shocked forever ;) | 02:10 |
| _Sky_ | u mean this screenshot http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/screenshot.html ^^ | 02:11 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 02:36 |
| CosmoHill | :) | 02:36 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:55 |
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| welsh | Hi, i was wondering if meego will work on any devices that arent running an atom proccessor, for instance, a celeron? not yet? | 03:53 |
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| TSCHAKeee | welsh: dude | 03:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | welsh: do you read any of the docs? :) | 03:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | welsh: currently meego needs CPUs with working SSE3 extensions. | 03:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | welsh: and MeeGo is designed to be run on the Atom and the ARM CPUs. | 03:54 |
| welsh | thanks for your help, I actually read none of the docs | 03:55 |
| * TSCHAKeee thwaps welsh | 03:55 | |
| TSCHAKeee | welsh: please read the wiki and various bits of docs, they mention this over and over. :) | 03:55 |
| welsh | as i'm an average user and prefer talkign to dedicated members like you than doing any work myself in things that im unknowledgeable in myself | 03:55 |
| * TSCHAKeee takes a deep breath | 03:55 | |
| welsh | yeah, i know.. you hate that | 03:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | right now, MeeGo is NOT for the average user | 03:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | especially the ARM target | 03:56 |
| welsh | but im lazy, and i've got things to do. you jsut saved me a bunch of time, so thank you :) | 03:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | if you want something that you can most likely use, I would suggest waiting for the official release in May. | 03:56 |
| welsh | right, and the idea is that will run on most, if not all netbooks? | 03:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | this release is a code drop so that interested developers can get in on the development process at its earliest stages of unification and reassembling. | 03:57 |
| welsh | including celeron, not just atom? | 03:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | no. | 03:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | dude | 03:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | read the docs | 03:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | right now, the netbook target needs a CPU that has a few extra extensions that the Celerons do not have | 03:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | given that the atom netbooks are dirt cheap, you may want to purchase one to run Moblin or the future MeeGo release. | 03:58 |
| welsh | i have one, only i ALSO have a celeron crappy thing | 03:58 |
| welsh | that i'd like to do somethign with | 03:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | meego is not for the celeron's...and most likely will never be | 03:58 |
| welsh | thats all i wanted to know | 03:59 |
| welsh | thanks very much for your time | 03:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | they miss some very needed features that this system needs. | 03:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | but see, this could have been figured out, just with a little bit of reading | 03:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | 5 mins worth | 03:59 |
| welsh | yeah. im totally aware that bad old processors are old. | 03:59 |
| welsh | i did google | 03:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | 5 mins. | 03:59 |
| welsh | 3 or 4 times.. it didnt turn up | 04:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | well, sorry you didn't find it | 04:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | i don't mean to be an asshole | 04:00 |
| welsh | you can say 5 mins.. but its 5 mins of reading the exact bit of text you'd need to find | 04:00 |
| welsh | and its that bit that is difficult to find | 04:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | but really, the one thing we can't be, is hand holders for those who refuse to help themselves | 04:00 |
| welsh | withotu havign to read a whole lot moe | 04:00 |
| welsh | well, im hardly refusing to help, im not asking you to google things for me | 04:01 |
| welsh | just a simple bit of advice really | 04:01 |
| welsh | which im grateful for | 04:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | ok. | 04:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | you're welcome. | 04:01 |
| welsh | goodnight | 04:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | I'm sorry it will not work on the machine you wish to run it on. | 04:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | but it is not the intended target at all. | 04:01 |
| welsh | and thanks again | 04:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | np. | 04:01 |
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| * TSCHAKeee facepalms | 04:02 | |
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| w00t_ | TSCHAKeee: out of curiosity, where would you look for such information? | 04:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | http://meego.com/downloads | 04:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's pretty black and white | 04:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | * Atom based notebooks | 04:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | * ARM based devices | 04:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | * Moorestown based devices | 04:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | *shrug* | 04:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | I mean, really | 04:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | wtf? | 04:05 |
| w00t_ | "i was wondering if meego will work on ... not yet?" | 04:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | the above is what it works on | 04:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | if you're the hacker sort, you can make it work on other stuff | 04:06 |
| w00t_ | yes, and that doesn't mean that it can't work on other things, or that there may not be future plans. | 04:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | but if you're already asking such questions without digging around, you've asked the wrong questions, and probably don't have what it takes to hack it to other CPUs. | 04:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | and this was answered all over moblin in the past. | 04:07 |
| w00t_ | well, after your minirant, I did the same searching myself, and I saw nothing that would have answered his question as to what the future plans were :) | 04:07 |
| w00t_ | now, I'm on the mailing lists, so I know about the SSE3 requirements, but not everyone is - and not everyone has been since day one | 04:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | *nod* point taken. | 04:09 |
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| w00t_ | k | 04:09 |
| w00t_ | while it's indeed not a good thing to handhold everyone, there's nothing wrong from giving people a bit of a leg up and trying to encourage people to grow their knowledge basically | 04:09 |
| w00t_ | the idiots of today are the contributors of tomorrow, etc | 04:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | yes, you're right. i'm in a bit of a rotten mood | 04:10 |
| w00t_ | ah, that's no good - anything in particular got up your nose? | 04:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | i've been building linuxmce software for a particular ARM device | 04:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | and it's just been painful because i am doing it natively | 04:10 |
| w00t_ | heh :( | 04:11 |
| w00t_ | cross compiling not an option? | 04:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | not to mention, it's my girlfriend's birthday today, she's 2000 miles away, it's that time of the month, i slipped and forgot to say happy birthday before she mentioned it, and that flew back in my face, and now... | 04:11 |
| * TSCHAKeee bangs head against brick wall | 04:11 | |
| w00t_ | ow :P | 04:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | w00t_: have you had to mind-bend autobreak based stuff to cross-dev? | 04:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'd rather have a root canal by truck wench. | 04:12 |
| w00t_ | hahah, ok, question answered | 04:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's just sad when just a year and a half ago | 04:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | i see a message on the autotools list | 04:13 |
| * alden was an idiot once | 04:13 | |
| TSCHAKeee | "Gee, I guess we should think about this cross-compiling stuff, huh?" | 04:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | *Facepalm* | 04:13 |
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| TSCHAKeee | "but but but, that would mean talking to the libtool people!" | 04:15 |
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| kkb110 | ->We are planning the project release of MeeGo version 1 in the second quarter of 2010. YES!!! | 07:30 |
| kkb110 | Does anybody know about second mobile device that can operate meego? besides N900? | 07:32 |
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| TSCHAKeee | I do know the current moorestown mobile device that is targeted is the AAVA | 07:35 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: can I rename /ARM on the wiki to /Devices/N900 since it's more a device specific page | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | no | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | it will cover all arm stuff eventually so | 10:35 |
| lbt | sure - so I'll create a blank /ARM - that page has no ARM info on it :) | 10:36 |
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| lbt | maybe qemu | 10:36 |
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| lbt | OK, can I move the N900 sections and add links | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | could you wait a bit? :P | 10:37 |
| lbt | OK | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.meego.com/ARM will cover all things arm from the arm team. right now it is obviously very n900-centric as we have no other official devices | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | and we have a lot of links lingering around that point to the ARM/ namespace | 10:40 |
| lbt | OK - a page move will take care of redirects (which is the most important) | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | it will turn into having generic instructions, porting instructions, etc | 10:40 |
| lbt | OK - but it's not really ARM is it... | 10:42 |
| lbt | ARM is more about development | 10:42 |
| lbt | end users and the like don't care what CPU is in the device when they install | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | right, but how about we take a discussion on the mailing list before doing one-sided changes? | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | there's a lot of stakeholders in this documentation, so | 10:43 |
| lbt | because if I asked you and you said OK then there'd be no need :) | 10:44 |
| lbt | give me a couple of mins... | 10:45 |
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| Stskeeps | not my call, but it is a team documentation space so care should be taken before changes :P | 10:50 |
| lbt | There you go : http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/N900 | 10:50 |
| lbt | yep - of course | 10:51 |
| lbt | is this the -devel ml? | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | think so | 10:52 |
| lbt | not changed anything in the ARM space but pulled device specific things out and linked back | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | so suggest documentation layout for porting, device specific things etc | 10:52 |
| lbt | I'll drop an email out with some suggestions - I was planning on just setting the N900 up as an example | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 10:53 |
| lbt | how's the joggler going? | 10:53 |
| lbt | my standard Meego kernel built last night - looking at kernel spec to make config changes | 10:55 |
| lbt | OK - I have plastering duties... l8r | 10:56 |
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| Stskeeps | decent but cannot get above 2.6.30 | 11:07 |
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| chid | meego doesn't have a gui does it? | 11:40 |
| chid | I mean atm | 11:41 |
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| lbt | the published images don't have a gui | 11:41 |
| lbt | not sure if the repos have any gui packages - there's certainly not much out there yet | 11:42 |
| chid | so why is this channel so popular? | 11:43 |
| chid | the hype? | 11:43 |
| lbt | yep - all hype.... move along.... nothing to see here. | 11:43 |
| chid | bitch | 11:43 |
| chid | I want GMA 500 support ! | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | grab xserver 1.6 and iegd | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | works fine | 11:45 |
| chid | is it worth using? | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | worksforme | 11:46 |
| chid | Stskeeps are you using it on your notebook? | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | on my joggler | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | but there is no ui on meego yet | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | besides a xterm | 11:48 |
| chid | lol | 11:49 |
| th0br0 | good morning | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | but there are some capable uis in the queue | 11:49 |
| chid | okay, joggler seems interesting | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | UK based? | 11:49 |
| chid | wow cheap too | 11:49 |
| chid | not me | 11:49 |
| chid | I'm from Aus | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | only place to buy it so | 11:49 |
| chid | yup | 11:50 |
| chid | I'm actually looking for an OS for my netbook | 11:50 |
| chid | but I can't find anything that works as good as windows | 11:50 |
| chid | pretty sad | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | which netbook? | 11:50 |
| chid | Acer Aspire One 751h, GMA500 + Atom Z520 | 11:51 |
| chid | yeah, pretty underpowered combo | 11:51 |
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| chid | I really like moblin | 11:52 |
| chid | but I can't get it to work | 11:52 |
| chid | probably because I fail | 11:52 |
| chid | or maybe it's just because intel didn't feel like releasing driver | 11:52 |
| * ferringb notes intel releases quite a bit | 11:53 | |
| ferringb | gma500 however is annoying, but it happens | 11:53 |
| chid | ;) | 11:54 |
| chid | yup | 11:54 |
| chid | I've tried jolicloud/UNR | 11:54 |
| chid | but I find them a bit to slow for my liking | 11:54 |
| chid | It's probably all those fancy effects that I couldn't get rid off | 11:54 |
| chid | of* | 11:54 |
| chid | and you're right, that intel is usually good | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | chid: moblin 2.1 was supposed to have psb support wasn't it? | 12:02 |
| chid | nope | 12:02 |
| chid | Stskeeps, it just has a flashing cursor | 12:02 |
| chid | when I booted it | 12:02 |
| chid | tried for a while to get it working | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | hm, k | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | iegd should work with it, it has instructions in manual | 12:02 |
| chid | huh | 12:03 |
| chid | is that for windows? | 12:03 |
| Mek | iegd does support moblin the distro, just not moblin the user itnerface | 12:04 |
| Mek | it doesn't provide hardware acceleration for clutter | 12:04 |
| Mek | (the moblin image that comes with the iegd driver also doesn't include the moblin ui :) ) | 12:04 |
| chid | I don't understand | 12:04 |
| chid | so, you're telling me I can use moblin on my netbook | 12:04 |
| chid | somehow | 12:04 |
| Mek | the moblin 2.1 IVI image that comes with the iegd driver only includes xfce... | 12:05 |
| chid | IVI image? | 12:05 |
| chid | could you possibly show me how to get moblin working ;o | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | Mek: that's kinda odd, iegd has libGL | 12:05 |
| Mek | so no, anything using clutter is explicitly not possible with psb... ubuntu netbook remix I did get to work with a reasonably acceptable speed thuogh... | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | (and libGLES too) | 12:06 |
| Mek | Stskeeps: well, clutter requires a lot more than just opengl... | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | ah, clutter.. | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:06 |
| chid | oh, Mek, what netbook have you got? | 12:06 |
| Mek | chid: nokia booklet | 12:06 |
| chid | oh | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | Mek: i would be happy with hw-accelerated qt :P | 12:06 |
| chid | Mek, does it actually last 12 H | 12:07 |
| Mek | depending on usage... with no wifi/3g usage and no heavy cpu-using stuff, it does last 12H, but normally I get more like 8-10 hours | 12:08 |
| chid | ah okay | 12:08 |
| chid | I hate how my netbook | 12:08 |
| chid | starts with 3g on | 12:08 |
| chid | and max brightness | 12:08 |
| chid | and I can't figure how to disable wifi | 12:09 |
| chid | from the hardware side | 12:10 |
| chid | oh, I've forgotten to ask, what OS do you use | 12:10 |
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| flywheel | 8-10 hours, thats nice - my old Acer Aspire 3624, with its old battery, is capable of about 15 mins :o) | 12:13 |
| chid | heh | 12:13 |
| chid | my dell is capable of <6 | 12:13 |
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| flywheel | it has been accused as being terrible slow - is that something, you as a user - has observed ? | 12:16 |
| chid | oh. | 12:16 |
| chid | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395047&page=2 | 12:16 |
| chid | so that's how you get moblin working | 12:16 |
| lbt | yeah the published iegd packages from intel suck hugely. windows .exe files that don't work under wine. You can extract stuff manually but it takes hours to figure out the ghastly dir structures. | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | i wish they'd just put out a rpm package with them, in tablets-dev.nokia.coms tyle | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | style | 12:20 |
| lbt | well, there's a vague chance someone will have connections... | 12:21 |
| chid | hmm | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, i would happily agree to a EULA and then get a repo url, and then just zypper in libgl-iegd | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:23 |
| ubIx_ | GimlS97 | 12:27 |
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| postmanPechkin | hi | 13:00 |
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| LuciusMare | HI | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | wello | 13:25 |
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| LuciusMare | Could i help meego by any way, for now? :) | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | what would you like to do? | 13:38 |
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| LuciusMare | Everything that does not require *so much* skills, I can't code | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | packaging maybe? | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | documentation? artwork? testing? | 13:39 |
| LuciusMare | translating? | 13:40 |
| LuciusMare | And, what exactly is packaging? | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | spec files, resulting in rpms | 13:40 |
| LuciusMare | oh | 13:41 |
| LuciusMare | I wonder if there is anything to test or translate at the moment :) | 13:42 |
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| Stskeeps | translation there is a localisation team, meeting quite often | 13:42 |
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| Annaa | http://tinypic.zapto.org/2kn4m8.png?t=1270382013 do my breasts look to big? | 15:01 |
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| lupine_85 | here's a thought - MeeGo, being multi-platform - is it busybox-based? Or does it use Real Gnu Userland(tm)? ;) | 15:34 |
| w00t_ | as far as I know, no busybox in sight | 15:34 |
| lupine_85 | \o/ | 15:34 |
| * lupine_85 is about to get the image running in his N900 to have a look | 15:35 | |
| lbt | chrooted? | 15:35 |
| th0br0 | lupine_85: it's a "full" linux environment... afair | 15:35 |
| lupine_85 | quite interested in discovering whether the kernel can drive maemo, actually | 15:35 |
| lupine_85 | well, I'm going to start with a chroot | 15:35 |
| lupine_85 | n900 also happens to be my main phone, so I need to be careful about breaking it | 15:35 |
| th0br0 | and /me'd like a n900 ;) | 15:35 |
| lbt | did you see http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/N900 ?? | 15:35 |
| lupine_85 | ja | 15:35 |
| lbt | you may want to update it if there are any issues | 15:36 |
| lupine_85 | ayeaye | 15:36 |
| * lupine_85 is quite interested in having a linux that does little things like bluetooth keyboard support, ipv6, etc, with less hacking | 15:37 | |
| * lbt crosses fingers... | 15:37 | |
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| lupine_85 | thing is, since it's being designed with netbooks in mind too, nasty hacks like single-user, optification, etc, are less likely to sneak in | 15:38 |
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| lupine_85 | which makes me happy :) | 15:38 |
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| lupine_85 | wonder if meego will jump up to the .32 kernel anytime before release | 15:40 |
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| lupine_85 | would make sense, given the widespread acceptance of .32 as a long-term supported version | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | singleuser is already there, it looks like | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | are we speaking about n900 or x86 kernel? | 15:41 |
| lupine_85 | well, I'll be using the n900 kernel | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | there is a .33 getting ready, it just didn't meet the release cut - the LCD drivers and touchscreen drivers already there | 15:43 |
| lupine_85 | mind you, there's a netbook to my right with dell-inspired ubuntu begging for something better once meego is vaguely consumer-friendly | 15:43 |
| * lupine_85 hears the shuttleworth cry out in pain | 15:43 | |
| lupine_85 | eh, no biggie ;) | 15:44 |
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| * lupine_85 notes that since the kernel can be flashed independently to the rootfs, it shouldn't be too nasty to try out maemo on a meego kernel | 15:47 | |
| lupine_85 | what's the worst that can happen? ;) | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | meego kernel is just 2.6.28 plus new sgx drivers really | 15:48 |
| w00t_ | new sgx drivers? *prick up ears* | 15:50 |
| lbt | if you care the kernel src.rpm is here: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/test/trunk-test/repo/source/ and that is trunk+patches | 15:50 |
| lbt | s/trunk/mainline/ | 15:50 |
| infobot | lbt meant: if you care the kernel src.rpm is here: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/test/mainline-test/repo/source/ and that is trunk+patches | 15:50 |
| lbt | heh - I forgot infobot was back | 15:51 |
| lupine_85 | heh. it's always the opengl | 15:51 |
| * lupine_85 does wish the n900 was slightly beefier in the CPU department | 15:51 | |
| lupine_85 | ah well | 15:51 |
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| lupine_85 | \o/, step 1 complete | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | 'panic'? | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | madeo.co.uk .. wasn't it someone in here? | 16:10 |
| leinir | lupine_85: Well, overclock it? Someone pushed it to 900MHz ;) | 16:11 |
| lupine_85 | o.O | 16:11 |
| lupine_85 | linky? | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | leinir: overclocking is not recommended as it may make your n900 smoke | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | s/may/will/ | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:12 |
| leinir | Yeah, i know, just saying ;) | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | and not the post-coital kind of smoke | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:12 |
| lupine_85 | nm, got it | 16:12 |
| lupine_85 | mind you, since power usage increases with the cube of the clock speed, I can't imagine doubling the speed to be a good idea | 16:12 |
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| lupine_85 | quite apart from the heat, I can't see the battery coping well | 16:14 |
| * lupine_85 is quite tempted by that 2,500mAh (or whatever it is) battery though | 16:14 | |
| leinir | woow... that sounds interesting :) | 16:15 |
| lupine_85 | hmm, 50Kbps download | 16:15 |
| lupine_85 | wonder if that's due to slow writes or fail networking | 16:15 |
| leinir | well, here it's just because ADSL in England tends to be utterly useful ;) | 16:16 |
| lupine_85 | *shrug* I've got a decent ISP and the PC can grab it at 5x the speed | 16:17 |
| lupine_85 | no, 7x | 16:17 |
| lupine_85 | maybe it'll be faster over USB... 'though I kind of hope not | 16:17 |
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| th0br0 | lupine_85: the imageß | 16:33 |
| lupine_85 | hmm, copies /very/ fast over usb | 16:34 |
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| lupine_85 | peculiar - I get invalid tar magic on the copied .tar.gz | 16:39 |
| lupine_85 | md5sum matches the reference one | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | get gnu tar from repositories | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | busybox tar is not good | 16:41 |
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| lupine_85 | ja | 16:43 |
| lupine_85 | I'm now building the rootfs on the PC and will copy over a just-gz'd image instead | 16:44 |
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| lupine_85 | aha, life | 17:06 |
| lupine_85 | yummy - bash4 | 17:06 |
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| alden | allo aMeeGo's | 19:50 |
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| postmanPechkin | hi | 19:51 |
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| lupine_85 | ...so the N900 kernel in the initial code drop a) is .28 and b) doesn't have IPv6 enabled | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | right | 20:25 |
| CosmoHill | hey | 20:25 |
| CosmoHill | by the sounds of it the kernel was made very quickly for meego | 20:25 |
| lupine_85 | indeedy | 20:25 |
| thiago | it was built on the day of the release | 20:26 |
| CosmoHill | i think the x86 kernel was a copy of the moblin one | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | lupine_85: we have a .33 in pipeline, but it didn't make release cut | 20:26 |
| CosmoHill | thiago: "do we have a kernel ready? no? shit! quickly make one!" | 20:26 |
| lupine_85 | mm. with ipv6? :) | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | make one | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:26 |
| thiago | make zImage | 20:27 |
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| lupine_85 | indeedy | 20:27 |
| * lupine_85 is just grabbing MADDE at the moment | 20:27 | |
| CosmoHill | my laptop is overheating, go adobe! | 20:27 |
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| alden | CosmoHill: did u get X to run? | 20:35 |
| CosmoHill | not touched it | 20:35 |
| alden | k | 20:36 |
| _Sky_ | you need the framebuffer driver for xorg, but there should still be a problem with the mouse | 20:42 |
| CosmoHill | alden: do you have to install meego to a hard drive or do you just use the live image? | 20:43 |
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| alden | CosmoHill: i used the live image | 20:46 |
| CosmoHill | thought so | 20:46 |
| alden | _Sky_: problem with the mouse because? | 20:46 |
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| alden | _Sky_: i cant get my usb mouse to work inside VirtualBox running meego | 20:47 |
| alden | _Sky_: was wondering if i missed a critical package | 20:48 |
| _Sky_ | i just heared it from other users, i didn't manage to install meego from the usb netboot image, i used only the live version. Actually i use the developer image by using the MIC2 tool (chroot) | 20:48 |
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| _Sky_ | there i use Xephyr on my host as X-Server | 20:49 |
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| alden | _Sky_: ok | 20:50 |
| CosmoHill | i don't think it's the kernel as that when using ubuntu you have a mouse | 20:50 |
| alden | _Sky_: will i find that conversation on irclogs? | 20:50 |
| _Sky_ | maybe, but i didn't hear a solution for the mouse problem yet | 20:51 |
| _Sky_ | told a guy to test the /dev/input/mice device but it didn't produce any output for him | 20:51 |
| alden | _Sky_: maybe that was me? | 20:52 |
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| _Sky_ | maybe :D | 20:52 |
| alden | :) | 20:52 |
| CosmoHill | alden: can you search the packages for "xf86-input-mouse" ? | 20:52 |
| CosmoHill | that was alden you told to do | 20:52 |
| _Sky_ | i fear it wont help much if even the /dev device doesn't give you any mousedata | 20:53 |
| _Sky_ | alden did you manage to install from the image ? | 20:53 |
| _Sky_ | i would like to try that out too :) | 20:54 |
| alden | _Sky_: no i used CosmoHill's vdi | 20:54 |
| alden | i installed xorg-x11-drv-mouse if thats what u mean | 20:55 |
| alden | brb xchat acting wierd | 20:55 |
| _Sky_ | so you also just run meego from ram | 20:55 |
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| CosmoHill | _Sky_: as it's a usb image i think you can save | 20:55 |
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| _Sky_ | i can't | 20:56 |
| _Sky_ | the root filesystem is in the ram | 20:56 |
| CosmoHill | maybe alden doesn't shut down the vm | 20:56 |
| _Sky_ | i dont do either ;) | 20:56 |
| alden | i just save the state | 20:56 |
| _Sky_ | i always save its state, but cannot restart it and i did a kernel update xD | 20:57 |
| alden | hehe | 20:57 |
| _Sky_ | so i can't load any modules now ^^ | 20:57 |
| alden | does hard disk install work? havent tried | 20:57 |
| _Sky_ | never do a: yum upgrade alden :D | 20:57 |
| CosmoHill | btw why does the meego liveimage come with a password | 20:57 |
| CosmoHill | ? | 20:57 |
| _Sky_ | it doesn't install, for me at least | 20:57 |
| _Sky_ | i don't know, but its easy to guess: root:meego and meego:meego | 20:58 |
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| _Sky_ | i needed 1.5GB ram for the upgrade xD | 20:58 |
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| CosmoHill | damn | 21:00 |
| CosmoHill | i need to change some of the repos | 21:00 |
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| _Sky_ | ok, i will restart my meego now and try to get some mouse input | 21:00 |
| _Sky_ | hmm why are the kernel modules of the image from version 2.6.33.1 and the kernel is 2.6.31 !? | 21:02 |
| _Sky_ | can't load any modules | 21:02 |
| CosmoHill | the kernel and initrd are from ubuntu | 21:03 |
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| _Sky_ | oh, i had almost forgotten that ^^ | 21:03 |
| _Sky_ | maybe thats the reason for the mouse problem, but I'm not sure | 21:03 |
| CosmoHill | so of a...I get "illegal instruction" from zypper and yum | 21:04 |
| cyberkonsult | CosmoHill: How big overlay? | 21:05 |
| CosmoHill | ? | 21:05 |
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| cyberkonsult | I assume you're not out of space?? (live usb??) | 21:06 |
| CosmoHill | I have over 100MB | 21:06 |
| CosmoHill | I can't list the packages already installed | 21:06 |
| CosmoHill | "yum --help" returns "illegal instruction" | 21:07 |
| _Sky_ | strange, can you run anything else ? | 21:07 |
| CosmoHill | top works | 21:07 |
| cyberkonsult | Are you using the default meego-preview-netbook img? | 21:09 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 21:09 |
| _Sky_ | he uses the vdi i guess, but it works for me with the vdi image | 21:09 |
| CosmoHill | i think it's the repos | 21:10 |
| CosmoHill | i can clean them | 21:10 |
| CosmoHill | but refresh starts then fails | 21:10 |
| cyberkonsult | I ran into trouble for having a to small overlay .. ~ 100M, which I changed to 1G | 21:10 |
| CosmoHill | overlay? | 21:11 |
| cyberkonsult | Yeah.. you have a squashfs (readonly) and meego is using overlay (union-type-fs).. to be able to save data to disk.. | 21:11 |
| CosmoHill | I've changed it from 256MB to 1024MB | 21:11 |
| CosmoHill | I'll give it a go | 21:11 |
| CosmoHill | (the ram that is) | 21:12 |
| cyberkonsult | good luck | 21:12 |
| CosmoHill | alden: what repos did you enable and disable? | 21:13 |
| alden | CosmoHill: i left them as default | 21:13 |
| _Sky_ | tell me more about this overlay cyberkonsult :) i would like to make permanent changes to the image ^^ | 21:13 |
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| cyberkonsult | check out the mic-image-creation utilities.. grep for overlay... | 21:14 |
| CosmoHill | alden: I do "zypper install xorg-*" | 21:14 |
| CosmoHill | it asks me about a repo and I say "yes" | 21:14 |
| CosmoHill | it then fails | 21:14 |
| cyberkonsult | You can just rebuild a new image with a bigger overlay.. | 21:15 |
| alden | CosmoHill: whats the file where the repos are defined? | 21:15 |
| CosmoHill | i think it's /etc/repo.d | 21:15 |
| CosmoHill | */etc/zypp/repo.d | 21:15 |
| CosmoHill | you can go "zypper lr" to list them | 21:15 |
| alden | whaaa - failed to start virtual machine meego-vdi: virtualbox cant operate in VMX root mode. please disable kvm kernel extension, recompile your kernel and reboot | 21:16 |
| alden | i just installed qemu | 21:16 |
| CosmoHill | btw i found that "shutdown -h now" doesn't work | 21:17 |
| _Sky_ | but where do i see and use the overlay when i boot the image ? i only see that half of my ram is used for the root fs and the other half is used as tmpfs | 21:17 |
| CosmoHill | it just sits there with a blank screen | 21:17 |
| cyberkonsult | _Sky_: I *think* that the overlay is rather transparent.. I just got image-creator from the repos and ran mic-image-converter | 21:19 |
| _Sky_ | i just see a option of the image creator called: -i, --interactive , Directly write into a USB disk | 21:20 |
| CosmoHill | _Sky_: see if you could make a new kernel | 21:20 |
| cyberkonsult | mic-image-convertor --overlay-size-mb 1000 -I meego-preview-netbook-core-20100330-001.usbimg -T liveusb | 21:20 |
| _Sky_ | thanks | 21:20 |
| CosmoHill | isn't there an option to make a vdi ? | 21:21 |
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| _Sky_ | no, but its easy to convert to vdi | 21:21 |
| cyberkonsult | hear hear | 21:21 |
| cyberkonsult | VBoxManage is your friend!! | 21:21 |
| _Sky_ | VBoxManage convertfromraw image.img image.vdi | 21:22 |
| * thiago scratches his head about ImadSousou's message to meego-dev | 21:23 | |
| alden | CosmoHill: i dont recall making any changes to the repos. this is my output from zypper lr: http://dpaste.com/179369/ | 21:23 |
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| w00t_ | thiago: Stskeeps' theory was a catpaw | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: me and w00ts theory is cat paws because capactive doesn't work in a pocket | 21:23 |
| w00t_ | ^ | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | and hence unlocked iphone in pocket cant type | 21:24 |
| thiago | well, if he's wearing a thin shirt, and the phone is left facing his body... | 21:24 |
| CosmoHill | only on IRC can you pick up a conversation after a gap of a few hours | 21:24 |
| cyberkonsult | Hey! Ho was responsible for the content of the repos?? | 21:27 |
| cyberkonsult | s/Ho/who | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 21:27 |
| cyberkonsult | There was no xeyes !! | 21:27 |
| cyberkonsult | sitting there in twm and some funky xterms... no xeyes!! | 21:28 |
| _Sky_ | lol, nice replacement expression cyberkonsult | 21:28 |
| alden | wgetpaste package wouuld be nice to have.. currently need to scp a file then copy n paste to dpaste | 21:28 |
| cyberkonsult | He.. read Sousou:s mail... funny... | 21:28 |
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| _Sky_ | lol i get "Error creating Live CD : You didn't install squashfs-tools." , but i did ^^ | 21:33 |
| _Sky_ | and again i have to search for the error in the python code of mic ;) | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | tell me when you rewrite it | 21:33 |
| _Sky_ | :D | 21:34 |
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| _Sky_ | the code doesn't seem to be tested on many distributions now, i found another issue which had to fix with the path of the unix "du" tool which is in /bin/du for me, but its hard coded to /usr/bin/du , but i'm still unsure why they dont just use the filesize function of python instead, i will file a bug in the bugzilla about that soon | 21:37 |
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| * alden goes back to reading Linux From Scratch | 21:39 | |
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| _Sky_ | have fun alden, i should do that once too ;) the most linux from scratch like distributions i used was gentoo | 21:41 |
| _Sky_ | but compiling bored me, especialy when updating, to i switched to archlinux | 21:42 |
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| _Sky_ | *so | 21:43 |
| lcuk | sousou on the beers again? | 21:43 |
| CosmoHill | _Sky_: squashfs 4.0? or the older one? | 21:43 |
| _Sky_ | 4.0 | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: cat paws | 21:45 |
| lcuk | i thought unicode borked it all | 21:46 |
| _Sky_ | like with du, same problem, it checks for /usr/bin/unsquashfs or /usr/sbin/unsquashfs , but for me its in /sbin/unsquashfs | 21:46 |
| jeremiah | There is beer? | 21:47 |
| _Sky_ | maybe the should do somethink like a "in path check" instead of searching each directory for it | 21:47 |
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| cyberkonsult | Who overwrites my resolv.conf with nameserver 127.0.0.1 ?? | 21:50 |
| Surfa | \o | 21:50 |
| cyberkonsult | Seriously, what overwrites the resolv.conf? | 21:51 |
| cyberkonsult | after reboot... | 21:51 |
| tmzt_ | network manager? | 21:51 |
| thiago | cyberkonsult: connman | 21:51 |
| thiago | cyberkonsult: connman is the DNS server | 21:51 |
| tmzt_ | er yeah | 21:51 |
| cyberkonsult | ah... the conman at it again!! ;( | 21:52 |
| cyberkonsult | I have to read up on connman... | 21:52 |
| cyberkonsult | some wiki of sort I suppose... | 21:52 |
| cyberkonsult | or was that a moblin creation? | 21:52 |
| thiago | yes | 21:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | basically yeah | 21:53 |
| thiago | to fix networking setup once and for all | 21:53 |
| thiago | without a beast like NM | 21:53 |
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| cyberkonsult | So instead of a script in rc.local where the resolv.conf get overwritten by my file I should... | 21:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's funny how nm became a beast | 21:54 |
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| TSCHAKeee | to think, the original specifications called for it to be "lightweight" | 21:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | and "simple" | 21:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | at least they didn't put simple in the name | 21:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | or i would have laughed | 21:54 |
| tmzt_ | isn't the complexity needed for multiple connections to work? | 21:55 |
| thiago | cyberkonsult: you should nothing | 21:55 |
| tmzt_ | I like the nm-applet, not sure what 0.7 did on the server side but 0.6 was almost unusable in the real world | 21:55 |
| cyberkonsult | thiago: So I should keep 127.0.0.1 in my resolv.conf? | 21:55 |
| thiago | cyberkonsult: yes | 21:56 |
| * cyberkonsult stumbles around confused | 21:56 | |
| TSCHAKeee | or the system will get mad at you | 21:56 |
| * cyberkonsult hides in a corner | 21:56 | |
| TSCHAKeee | and be like a girlfriend in a spat | 21:56 |
| * cyberkonsult is terrified | 21:57 | |
| postmanPechkin | ) | 21:57 |
| cyberkonsult | k, I found connman.net ... | 21:57 |
| * cyberkonsult is looking for "Documentation" on connman.net | 21:58 | |
| TSCHAKeee | cyberkonsult: did you check the moblin site and or the meego wiki? | 21:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | cyberkonsult: if not, there is always the source code. | 21:59 |
| * thiago recommends saying what the problem is | 22:00 | |
| TSCHAKeee | and yeah, maybe we can help too | 22:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 22:00 |
| cyberkonsult | I didn't get a resolv for repos at meego... after "fixing" the resolv.conf it worked... | 22:00 |
| tmzt_ | think of connman as the resolver | 22:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | are you using an odd network setup? | 22:01 |
| thiago | connman needs to be told what your DNS server is, somehow | 22:01 |
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| thiago | usually via DHCP | 22:01 |
| cyberkonsult | I don't use DHCP | 22:02 |
| thiago | yeah, I thought so | 22:02 |
| thiago | I don't know how to tell connman about a static IP configuration | 22:02 |
| * TSCHAKeee drops his head | 22:03 | |
| cyberkonsult | I just brought up the eth0 and fixed the route and after the resolv.conf change it worked... but will be reading on connman | 22:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | why do people do that? | 22:03 |
| * TSCHAKeee shakes head | 22:03 | |
| cyberkonsult | lol | 22:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | cyberkonsult: all this wonderful tech exists to make your life easier, it really does | 22:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 22:04 |
| cyberkonsult | So... how do we tell connman about static configs..? | 22:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | why do you need a static config? you do realize you can configure DHCP to hand out static addresses, right? | 22:04 |
| * CosmoHill devalours a pizza | 22:04 | |
| lupine_85 | TSCHAKeee: great until the DHCP server cops it | 22:04 |
| cyberkonsult | I have a couple of really paranoids fw here.. special rules for my IP | 22:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | then do it right | 22:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | that is no excuse | 22:05 |
| lupine_85 | you'd be surprised | 22:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | oh please | 22:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | give me a breka. | 22:05 |
| lupine_85 | I work for an ISP and we do provide a DHCP server - but all the machines we deliver are configured statically | 22:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | i've done this stuff longer than probably the both of you put together. | 22:05 |
| lupine_85 | DHCP is great when the machine's IP is expected to change | 22:06 |
| lupine_85 | if there's no conceivable reason for it to change, it's just another point of failure | 22:06 |
| * TSCHAKeee facepalms, and walks away from the sheer ignorance. | 22:06 | |
| koivula | lol dnsmasq overwrites resolv.conf | 22:06 |
| cyberkonsult | I am on a subnet, reaching services on another subnet, some weird routings for my dev-net.... | 22:07 |
| lupine_85 | cyberkonsult: VLANs are the obvious solution ;) | 22:07 |
| cyberkonsult | Yeah... but then I have to rebuild the network (and equipment).. | 22:08 |
| lupine_85 | true enough | 22:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | yes, but you would save yourself a lot of pain | 22:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | in the end | 22:08 |
| cyberkonsult | It would save me a lot of pain if I could tell connman about my static configuration... | 22:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | that's a band aid | 22:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | stop it | 22:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | you need to step back and look at this logically. | 22:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | how much time are you willing to waste | 22:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | to deal with now? | 22:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | versus fixing it right, for now and later? | 22:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | if the time for the former becomes absurd in proportion to the latter | 22:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's time to rethink the decision making paradigm | 22:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | just a bit | 22:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 22:11 |
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| * lupine_85 does tend to get confused by arguments from authority, but never mind. | 22:11 | |
| cyberkonsult | Having a tried and tested fw-setup is something I really value, I see your point though.. | 22:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | this is the demon of the hacker. we tend to put blinders on sometimes | 22:12 |
| lupine_85 | maemo let you set up static config, including DNS, istr | 22:12 |
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| fale | hi | 22:13 |
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| fale | I have an intel core duo... can I try meego or I must have an atom (or arm)? | 22:14 |
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| TSCHAKeee | it needs to be a very new one.. i.e. an i5 or i7 | 22:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | that has SSE3 in order for it to work correctly. | 22:16 |
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| fale | TSCHAKeee: I don't have SSE3... will it work but slow or will it have serious problem? | 22:17 |
| thiago | it won't work | 22:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | it will not work period | 22:17 |
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| fale | I see :( | 22:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | I am sorry. | 22:17 |
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| fale | and does it work on every atom, included the old ones? | 22:18 |
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| TSCHAKeee | i think so. not sure. | 22:18 |
| TSCHAKeee | somebody know for absolute certainty? | 22:18 |
| fale | TSCHAKeee: probably I'll in an hour ;) I'll try it on my dad's eeePc :) | 22:19 |
| fale | thankyou for the info :) | 22:20 |
| TSCHAKeee | you're welcome :) | 22:20 |
| fale | another question that probably will sound very n00b... can I install kde on it? | 22:21 |
| thiago | yes, but why would you want to? | 22:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | sure, but..yeah..what thiago said | 22:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | why? | 22:22 |
| TSCHAKeee | *scratch-head* | 22:22 |
| TSCHAKeee | : | 22:22 |
| TSCHAKeee | : | 22:22 |
| TSCHAKeee | (damn keyboard :)) | 22:22 |
| fale | thiago: If I'm not wrong, meego is, other than a GUI, also a 'distro' optimized for netbooks atom/arm (like fast boot etc) and could be cool to have a fast to boot distro with kde on a netbook... you don't think so? | 22:23 |
| TSCHAKeee | not really no | 22:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 22:24 |
| thiago | I think so | 22:24 |
| thiago | also with plasma-netbook | 22:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | well yeah ok | 22:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | fale: this is why this is all open.. go for it. | 22:24 |
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| fale | TSCHAKeee: I'll try it :) | 22:25 |
| fale | thankyou guys again :) | 22:25 |
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| TSCHAKeee | np | 22:26 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: so it wasn't the cat | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | close enough | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | had to be something alive ;) | 23:54 |
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| lbt | cat/son.... same thing :) | 23:56 |
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| thiago | but the son managed to press Send | 23:58 |
| thiago | I guess we've found our usability tester, though | 23:58 |
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| alden | wheres this funny email from sousou? | 23:59 |
| * lbt is amazed at how O2 can't even sort out a retail website... | 23:59 | |
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