| lbt | qgil_: gravatar is used by a few other resources around meego iirc | 00:00 |
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| qgil_ | wow 129 users have done something in the iki in the last 7 days: http://wiki.meego.com/Special:Statistics | 00:01 |
| lbt | _Sky_: *nod* ... not that I like messing with linux boxes or anything... | 00:01 |
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| Hah | I also like the stats for N900/ARM pages ;) | 00:10 |
| qgil_ | lbt linked to wiki editors in the whoswho page http://wiki.meego.com/Special:ListUsers | 00:10 |
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| alden | ive been unable to get my mouse to work in x.. im starting to wonder if its x's fault | 00:10 |
| alden | any ideas? | 00:10 |
| th0br0 | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Dlmiles huh? | 00:11 |
| DawnFoster | interesting use of the user page | 00:11 |
| lbt | people do use them as scratch areas | 00:12 |
| lbt | obviously :) | 00:12 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, seems reasonable to me | 00:22 |
| lcuk | saves giving a page a title for drafts - its often a problem | 00:22 |
| lcuk | you give something a temp name whilst you write proposal and it ends up not suiting the final document | 00:22 |
| DawnFoster | I just said it was an interesting use :) | 00:23 |
| lcuk | heh | 00:23 |
| DawnFoster | I love seeing how people use things in ways that are different from what most people do. | 00:23 |
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| _Sky_ | i'm just trying to compile mic2, i think i will make and maintain a package for archlinux after i get i working, the only problem is that the user package of yum is outdated and unmaintained, maybe i have to maintain it too. I hope not :) | 00:35 |
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| sykopomp | _Sky_: an arch package?! <3 | 01:15 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:55 |
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| alden | you go | 02:08 |
| alden | mee go | 02:08 |
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| chid | wow, so may people, will meego support GMA50 | 03:12 |
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| _Sky_ | yeah chid, so many people and nothing happens :D | 04:22 |
| chid | yeah | 04:22 |
| chid | useless people ;P | 04:22 |
| chid | so many idlers | 04:22 |
| _Sky_ | maybe all bouncers ;) | 04:23 |
| _Sky_ | or maybe all european like me who should sleep now ^^ | 04:24 |
| chid | shells | 04:24 |
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| _Sky_ | oh great, MIC2 doesnt work in archlinux because someone wrote a masterpiece of python code which uses /usr/bin/du (linux disk usage utility) to get a size of a file ^^ , but in archlinux and i guess also in other distributions du is in /bin/du , python also has also funktions to get filesizes, i wonder why they didn't use them instead. For now i will write an archlinux patch | 05:14 |
| _Sky_ | hm, now i'm in the chroot env and i get this if i try to use yum: CRITICAL:yum.cli:Config Error: Error accessing file for config file:///etc/yum.conf | 05:21 |
| _Sky_ | but the file exists and is accessible, yum also works outside of the chroot env | 05:22 |
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| _Sky_ | after searching in the deeps of yum i found out that it uses curl and curl could resolve the file:// url because i had a proxy set which hostname wasn't known in the chroot env :D | 07:03 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning Hah (carsten here) | 10:05 |
| Hah | Morning | 10:09 |
| Hah | You seem to be restless in these forums as well ;) | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | i'm a community person with a tiny bit of IRC addiction ;) | 10:11 |
| Hah | Can see that .. have to go to crogery store .. talk with you later .. | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | cya | 10:12 |
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| odin_ | the "garage" page on the http://meego.com/garage site, do those cartoons characters look vulgar to you ? | 11:03 |
| odin_ | the left one is a boy, and the right/pink one is a girl = a family (far right) ? | 11:04 |
| odin_ | yep those things that "stick out" are meant to be arms | 11:08 |
| odin_ | who created them? intel? are they having a knock at ARMs ? LOL | 11:09 |
| lbt | you need to get out more | 11:09 |
| odin_ | ah that must be it, too much staring at screen | 11:10 |
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| wit | hello | 11:24 |
| wit | anybody there? | 11:24 |
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| wit | anybody? | 11:33 |
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| wit | will there be anything like a central app store for MeeGo? | 11:35 |
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| anttu | anybody tried 3g usb modem connection? | 12:13 |
| anttu | i got it working except nameserver address is not updated | 12:13 |
| anttu | usepeerdns is in place in ppp settings | 12:14 |
| gaveen | wit, it's too early to say exactly. But I don't think there'll be something central governed by a single company/entity. But App store sort of thing from the project is in the talks | 12:19 |
| anttu | ok, i got it from messages: /var/run/ppp/resolv.conf was missing | 12:19 |
| anttu | after creating the file 3g connection works including dns | 12:20 |
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| thiago | anttu: connman is a DNS proxy | 12:25 |
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| Crashdown | Hi, please can i install Meego to SmartQ5?? | 12:40 |
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| Crashdown | ??? | 12:41 |
| Crashdown | does anybody have SmartQ5 ?? | 12:42 |
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| anttu | thiago: can you tell me a bit more about dns+conman | 12:44 |
| lbt | Crashdown: Stskeeps does... however the SmartQs don't have 3D support - so don't expect most of the Meego UI to work | 12:45 |
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| lbt | Crashdown: yes, I have a Q7 | 12:47 |
| lbt | I'm sure it'll get Meego at some point... | 12:47 |
| anttu | thiago: anyway, the connection works fine after creating the ppp resolv file | 12:47 |
| Crashdown | lbt: i just try to install Mer, Android and Linux to Smartq 5 (multiboot) | 12:48 |
| lbt | cool - how far are you getting? | 12:48 |
| Crashdown | i install everything but nothing function | 12:49 |
| Crashdown | i dont know what to do | 12:49 |
| Crashdown | What is your operating system? | 12:50 |
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| lbt | heh it's not installed until it works :) | 12:51 |
| Crashdown | i must go to lunch.. wait a minute :-D | 12:52 |
| Crashdown | just a soap, im here | 12:57 |
| Crashdown | :D | 12:57 |
| Crashdown | did you try multiboot? | 12:57 |
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| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Devices | 12:59 |
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| supertramp | hi | 13:23 |
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| Stskeeps | man, meego-dev is turning more toxic than talk.maemo.org | 13:35 |
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| VDVsx | eheh, true, some people will start blaming meego for everything :D | 13:39 |
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| gaveen | Stskeeps, I'm also partially responsible it seems. :) << "man, meego-dev is turning more toxic than talk.maemo.org" | 14:57 |
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| Jaffa | Af'noon, all | 15:20 |
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| stefaa | hi | 16:16 |
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| stefaa | i downloaded the meego usb image and booted my netbook. It brings me to a loginprompt. and now ? | 16:17 |
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| stefaa | can I start X from the prompt after login ? | 16:18 |
| stefaa | login as ? | 16:18 |
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| LuciusMare | Hello | 16:19 |
| koupsaa | stefaa hi login root or meego | 16:19 |
| LuciusMare | Anybody here tried meego on n900? What were your experiences? | 16:19 |
| koupsaa | pass meego | 16:19 |
| stefaa | yeah, it works . Thx ! | 16:20 |
| thiago | LuciusMare: it's a nice xterm | 16:20 |
| LuciusMare | thiago: ? | 16:22 |
| LuciusMare | No GUI? | 16:22 |
| koupsaa | and a pretty logo a boot and logoff | 16:22 |
| stefaa | I was expecting a little bit more at this point. More like the Moblin was. | 16:23 |
| stefaa | There is no working image yet ? | 16:24 |
| thiago | LuciusMare: xterm is graphical | 16:25 |
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| koupsaa | i see xfce and another package like that in 'yum search' but for now i only get a mouse for 2s. but i hope tomorrow or netx week i get an x | 16:26 |
| koupsaa | there is some pb dependancies with rpm xorg-server xorg-x11-common | 16:26 |
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| stefaa | What am I babling about ? It's a core-img. So i'm impatient ! Be back later. Bye. | 16:33 |
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| LuciusMare_ | meh | 17:10 |
| LuciusMare_ | so, meego is opensource. How much? I know that maemo had a few of it's components closed... | 17:10 |
| CosmoHill | all of it | 17:11 |
| LuciusMare_ | great | 17:12 |
| CosmoHill | but vendors can include closed source things I think | 17:12 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 17:12 |
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| CosmoHill | so if you bought a nokia with meego it would have Ovi Maps which is closed source | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: all of the shared platform stuff, yes | 17:12 |
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| _Sky_ | I just finished the archlinux package of MIC2, its in the AUR and called "mic2" , it would be great if some archlinux users would test it and give me some feedback, thx | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | _Sky_: great job! | 17:24 |
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| * CosmoHill shakes his fist at his program | 17:39 | |
| inz | does it shake back? | 17:40 |
| CosmoHill | not it doesn't | 17:40 |
| CosmoHill | like many other things it doesn't that it should | 17:40 |
| _Sky_ | whats the program you are working at ? | 17:41 |
| CosmoHill | it's a text based RPG game | 17:41 |
| _Sky_ | :D nethack | 17:42 |
| CosmoHill | I'm having some troubles with an association class | 17:42 |
| CosmoHill | eg player.setScore(10) works | 17:42 |
| CosmoHill | but player->setScore(10) doesn't | 17:43 |
| CosmoHill | but player->getScore() would work | 17:44 |
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| _Sky_ | looks like a pointer issue, is 'player' always the same ? looks like its sometimes a pointer and somtimes not ^^ | 17:47 |
| alden | CosmoHill: hey | 17:47 |
| CosmoHill | hey alden | 17:47 |
| alden | CosmoHill: managed to get X running on your .vdi last night | 17:47 |
| CosmoHill | _Sky_: erm, in main() player is a instance | 17:47 |
| CosmoHill | in game() player is a pointer to the player in main | 17:47 |
| CosmoHill | alden: awesome | 17:47 |
| alden | CosmoHill: tho couldnt get mouse to work.. not sure if its a xorg.conf problem or vbox | 17:48 |
| CosmoHill | maybe it's a bit of both | 17:48 |
| alden | i tried everything in xorg.conf .. i feel its vbox.. i noticed theres this usb mouse option that i cant seem to enable | 17:49 |
| CosmoHill | you might have to install the guest addons from virtualbox | 17:50 |
| CosmoHill | not to sure that will work on meego tho | 17:50 |
| alden | CosmoHill: but is that possible on meego? | 17:50 |
| alden | CosmoHill: yeah | 17:50 |
| CosmoHill | I'd take a snapshot before attempting to install it | 17:50 |
| alden | CosmoHill: anyway, getting X to run was surprisingly straightforward.. i just installed the xorg packages from meego repo and it worked.. | 17:51 |
| alden | thats encouraging | 17:51 |
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| alden | CosmoHill: oh yeah i did | 17:51 |
| CosmoHill | want to tell me how and I can add it to the readme? | 17:51 |
| alden | CosmoHill: ofcourse.. would u like my vdi ? | 17:52 |
| CosmoHill | that would be cool | 17:52 |
| CosmoHill | if you put it somewhere public i could grab it from the server | 17:52 |
| CosmoHill | (the server isn't mine but I have access and it's damn fast) | 17:52 |
| alden | CosmoHill: i tried zypper install xorg-.... one by one .. then finally got restless and just did zypper install xorg-* | 17:52 |
| CosmoHill | then reboot? | 17:53 |
| alden | CosmoHill: the xorg package filesizes are surprisingly small.. largest was 1.5MB .. downloaded quickly | 17:53 |
| alden | CosmoHill: cool, can i upload it to ur server? | 17:54 |
| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/readme.txt | 17:54 |
| CosmoHill | not directly | 17:54 |
| _Sky_ | you can test if you have mouse/mice device in /dev , sometimes in /dev/input | 17:54 |
| alden | i dont think it required a reboot.. i think i just went ahead and did startx | 17:54 |
| alden | it worked with the built-in config.. tho couldnt get mouse to work | 17:55 |
| alden | _Sky_: tried and failed | 17:55 |
| _Sky_ | no mouse device 'file' there ? | 17:55 |
| alden | _Sky_: theres /dev/input/mouse0 and /dev/input/mice | 17:55 |
| _Sky_ | try to cat /dev/input/mice and move your mouse | 17:55 |
| _Sky_ | if it works its not a vbox issue | 17:55 |
| CosmoHill | ooo | 17:56 |
| alden | _Sky_: no, fail | 17:57 |
| _Sky_ | you should see a lot of crap then if you move your mouse :D | 17:57 |
| _Sky_ | no output ? | 17:57 |
| CosmoHill | alden: if you're vdi has X11 and it just a quick install I wouldn't bother | 17:58 |
| CosmoHill | my problem is that it took two hours to upload my vdi | 17:58 |
| alden | _Sky_: wow thats pretty neat.. just tried it on ubuntu :D | 17:58 |
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| _Sky_ | :D | 17:58 |
| CosmoHill | cat /bin/cat :) | 17:58 |
| alden | CosmoHill: ok.. dont forget to install framebuffer | 17:58 |
| alden | CosmoHill: and ill give you my xorg.conf that worked | 17:59 |
| alden | CosmoHill: whoa :D | 17:59 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, how big is it ? | 17:59 |
| alden | so much ascii | 17:59 |
| alden | lcuk: 223MB | 17:59 |
| lcuk | that might explain the upload time lol | 18:00 |
| CosmoHill | compressing it gets down to 201MB :( | 18:00 |
| _Sky_ | are you uploading a vdi ? you can also convert the usb image to vdi | 18:01 |
| CosmoHill | it;s a good thing I don't have to pay for bandwidth on the server :) | 18:01 |
| CosmoHill | _Sky_: this VDI works on virtualbox | 18:02 |
| _Sky_ | mine too :) | 18:02 |
| CosmoHill | the meego usbimg doens't | 18:02 |
| _Sky_ | you have to fix the syslinux first in the usb image and then convert it to vdi: http://www.sundtek.de/meego/index.txtI | 18:02 |
| CosmoHill | i think that x86 meego should be made to support virtualbox too for testing and stuff | 18:02 |
| CosmoHill | I know, i have a link to it | 18:03 |
| CosmoHill | _Sky_: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/ | 18:03 |
| alden | yeah definately | 18:03 |
| _Sky_ | ok nice | 18:03 |
| alden | or any good virtual testing environment | 18:03 |
| CosmoHill | the server has a 200Mb/s connection :D | 18:04 |
| CosmoHill | apparantly I've found the dream host easter egg | 18:05 |
| _Sky_ | is Xephyr also included in the meego repo ? i can't find it , normally it should be part of xorg-server | 18:05 |
| alden | CosmoHill: the dreamhost easter egg? | 18:06 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 18:07 |
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| LuciusMare | so, one can try out the meego with X by virtualizing it? | 18:11 |
| _Sky_ | currently i use meego in a chroot environment and i try to install xephyr to start an window based xserver on top of my own X, but you can also use a qemu/virtualbox image of meego and start the X-Server inside | 18:14 |
| alden | LuciusMare: with an ubuntu kernel, yeah | 18:14 |
| _Sky_ | its not limited to ubuntu | 18:14 |
| LuciusMare | alden: on which side? :) | 18:14 |
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| alden | LuciusMare: what do u mean? | 18:15 |
| CosmoHill | alden: how do I install the framebuffer that you said meego needs? | 18:15 |
| LuciusMare | nevermind | 18:15 |
| CosmoHill | LuciusMare if you'd like I have a vdi image of meego | 18:16 |
| alden | CosmoHill: there's a package.. i forget the name.. one sec | 18:16 |
| LuciusMare | CosmoHill: maybe i would like, i dont know how to run it with the qemu :) | 18:16 |
| CosmoHill | i wonder if i could rsync a dvi file | 18:16 |
| CosmoHill | oh | 18:16 |
| CosmoHill | my bad | 18:16 |
| CosmoHill | on mo | 18:16 |
| CosmoHill | LuciusMarehttp://www.sundtek.de/meego/index.txt | 18:16 |
| _Sky_ | install VirtualBox, its faster than qemu :) | 18:17 |
| LuciusMare | _Sky_: performance or setting up? :) | 18:17 |
| _Sky_ | both ;) | 18:18 |
| CosmoHill | you did want x86 right? not ARM? | 18:18 |
| LuciusMare | CosmoHill: i want to see what is it like, so at the moment, i dont care :) | 18:18 |
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| alden | CosmoHill: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/ia32/os/i586/xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-0.4.1-1.2.i586.rpm | 18:20 |
| _Sky_ | there is not much to see, only a standard x-server if you get it working | 18:20 |
| LuciusMare | oh | 18:20 |
| alden | CosmoHill: also install xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.11.0-1.1.i586.rpm | 18:20 |
| LuciusMare | I thought that there is already the interface | 18:20 |
| CosmoHill | shouldn't zypper install xorg-* install that? | 18:20 |
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| _Sky_ | meego is using yum, so the suggested way should be simply: yum install xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-0.4.1-1.2.i586.rpm | 18:21 |
| alden | CosmoHill: yeah | 18:21 |
| alden | CosmoHill: i installed it first before trying xorg-* | 18:22 |
| CosmoHill | ah okay | 18:22 |
| CosmoHill | _Sky_: moblin use's yum, meego uses zypper | 18:22 |
| lbt | TSCHAKeee: ordered the Joggler BTW... | 18:23 |
| _Sky_ | are you sure ? the meego image creator needs yum | 18:23 |
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| * LuciusMare looks over at the whole maemo community | 18:23 | |
| LuciusMare | I wonder how will it all end | 18:23 |
| CosmoHill | but alden installed x11 using zypper | 18:23 |
| TSCHAKeee | lbt: thank you :) | 18:23 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: what is that | 18:24 |
| * TSCHAKeee is in the middle of porting orbiter to the SmartQ V7 | 18:24 | |
| TSCHAKeee | all these ARM cores | 18:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | and their little subtle differences grrr :P :) | 18:24 |
| CosmoHill | oooo | 18:24 |
| * lbt glances behind him at his smartQ7 | 18:24 | |
| CosmoHill | I've given up on my program since I'm stuck | 18:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | lbt: the V7 is very different from the original 7 | 18:24 |
| alden | yum's there too | 18:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | they use a telechips 8900 SoC | 18:25 |
| lbt | Ah... V7 I have a mere 7 | 18:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | which has some awesome power in it.. but there's a punchline | 18:25 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Telechips won't release drivers for the Mali200 :( | 18:25 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/646001/o2-joggler-49-99-now-with-free-app-?page=61 | 18:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | (AAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH) | 18:25 |
| tmzt_ | sounds like it needs a rockbox port instead of linux :) | 18:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | and the somebody who wrote a VLC driver for the video accellerator will not release code either. :( | 18:26 |
| CosmoHill | flash 10 with AS3, i can program that | 18:26 |
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| _Sky_ | CosmoHill: How sure are you about zypper ? i can see nothing in the wiki about it, i can only find instructions for using yum: http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_Meego_Environment#Step_4:_Installing_your_build_dependencies | 18:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | lbt: i'm currently nfs mounting a copied chroot and compiling everything on unit. heheehe. | 18:28 |
| CosmoHill | hold on | 18:29 |
| TSCHAKeee | (did I mention that I ($#@%(#@%#@ hate automake/conf/break?) :P | 18:29 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: http://www.openpeak.com/OpenFrame.php | 18:32 |
| CosmoHill | ooo that does look nice | 18:32 |
| RST38h | automake is optional | 18:33 |
| RST38h | No reason to use it nowadays too, you are pretty much guaranteed same compiler and libs everywhere | 18:34 |
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| _Sky_ | It seems that yet yum is the standard software for packages because its everywhere in the wiki, it is installed by default in the developer image and zypper is only installed in the usb image, but i can install it in my chroot env with yum install zypper ^^ | 18:38 |
| lbt | as I understand it yum is pure python whereas zypper uses C ... so handling larger pkg lists will be better in zypper | 18:39 |
| Terje | lbt, uses or is totally? | 18:40 |
| _Sky_ | yeah thats correct, zypper might be faster because yum is written in python | 18:40 |
| lbt | I was deliberately vague ... I dunno. But libzyp (?) is in C | 18:41 |
| lbt | apt-get source zypper should tell you | 18:41 |
| lbt | oh wait... | 18:41 |
| lbt | <grin> | 18:41 |
| alden | hehe | 18:41 |
| RST38h | Besides, upgrading Python will not kill zypper. I hope. | 18:42 |
| RST38h | At least, on Centos when you upgrade Python, yum breaks. | 18:43 |
| Terje | http://gitorious.org/opensuse/zypper/trees/master/src | 18:43 |
| Terje | RST38h, sounds like bad design. | 18:44 |
| Terje | Anything should be upgradeable. | 18:44 |
| _Sky_ | zypper and libzyp seems to be made by novell | 18:44 |
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| lbt | Terje: yeah, that's C-ish | 18:44 |
| RST38h | Terje: Well, it is RedHat | 18:44 |
| RST38h | Terje: Can't expect good design from it, really | 18:45 |
| lbt | _Sky_: and yes it came from openSuse/Novell originally | 18:45 |
| Terje | RST38h, does that cover anything from RedHat? | 18:45 |
| Terje | lbt, looks to be C++ mostly. | 18:46 |
| RST38h | Terje: Pretty much all the RedHat-derived Linuxes I had misfortune to use. Dunno about the rest. | 18:46 |
| Terje | RST38h, that sucks, because we're supposed to be as upgradeable with RPM base as with .deb base. | 18:47 |
| RST38h | Terje: Won't be very upgradeable on the ARMEL | 18:48 |
| RST38h | Terje: As to x86, I do not care much about it | 18:48 |
| Terje | RST38h, then there's some work to do. | 18:49 |
| RST38h | Terje: But, basically, you do not see many ARMEL .rpm packages floating around, so this .rpm compatibility is kinda lost there | 18:49 |
| RST38h | Terje: Same goes for .deb of course: just having a .deb is not enough, it has to run on the particular device | 18:49 |
| _Sky_ | i dont think that yum will break when you update python, it looks like python will be developed in version 2.x and 3.x for a while , they won't cut off version 2.x that fast because almost everyone is still using 2.x because 3.0 has major changes and no backward compatibility | 18:50 |
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| Terje | RST38h, I was thinking more about quality of packaging, not the packaging format or tool. | 18:50 |
| RST38h | Terje: In any case, RPM has nothing to do with any of my negative RedHat experiences. | 18:50 |
| _Sky_ | you have the same risk of breaking something with C when you upgrade libpng or glibc or something else :) | 18:51 |
| Terje | Sky, all Debian based distributions survive upgrading glibc or even init. | 18:52 |
| _Sky_ | I'm using Archlinux, its bleeding-egde, i know what i'm talking about ;) | 18:52 |
| RST38h | Sky: In a well designed system (eg FreeBSD) all the tools required to run the system base are installed separately, at the versions that are known to work | 18:53 |
| RST38h | Sky: And it keeps previous libc versions, for compatibility, as packages | 18:53 |
| Terje | RST38h, I believe FreeBSD uses a lot of static linking. That's a killer in embedded environment. | 18:53 |
| RST38h | Terje: Not that I have seen that | 18:53 |
| RST38h | Terje: In fact, the absolutley minimal version fits on a floppy, so it should not be all that bad :) | 18:54 |
| _Sky_ | in Archlinux you have always the newest packages of all, most packages are available a few hours or maybe 2 days after the release of a new version. | 18:55 |
| Terje | RST38h, initial version doesn't matter. If you keep upgrading from one version to another and the disk space is wasted on old versions of libraries, you're at some point going to hit a brick wall. | 18:55 |
| RST38h | How nice! Except that this made Redhat lose 1/3 of my dissertation once | 18:55 |
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| RST38h | Latest kernel, installed by some dumbo from RedHat Corporate Support | 18:55 |
| RST38h | Did not work very well with the NFS. | 18:56 |
| RST38h | Terje: It does not work this way | 18:56 |
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| RST38h | Terje: It is not gonna keep old library versions, only the ones needed to run the system you installed | 18:57 |
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| RST38h | Terje: When you actually *upgrade* to the next OS release, that basic set gets overwritten, afaik | 18:57 |
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| RST38h | You do not upgrade FreeBSD in parts | 18:58 |
| RST38h | ah =) | 18:58 |
| _Sky_ | :) | 18:58 |
| _Sky_ | i sometimes have the problem that my arch packages are too new :D but that mostly happens if i try to install binarys. But i try to not do that ^^ | 19:00 |
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| RST38h | Sky: I doubt that Archlinux is usable for any real work though... | 19:00 |
| _Sky_ | Archlinux doesnt keep old packages or librays, everything is keept bleeding edge | 19:00 |
| RST38h | Mostly for recompiling your kernel every night or something | 19:01 |
| _Sky_ | no, that happens with gentoo | 19:01 |
| _Sky_ | archlinux has precompiled binarys | 19:01 |
| _Sky_ | except the user repository | 19:01 |
| * RST38h facepalms at Linux silently | 19:02 | |
| _Sky_ | its simple, easy, fast, no modified packages as possible, no own gui tools or somethink like that, just pure linux :) | 19:02 |
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| _Sky_ | But you need to be a geek and need to have time ;) , because there are updates every day and often you have to renew some configuration files, but the packagemanger(pacman) ist the best i have ever seen http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/The_Arch_Way | 19:05 |
| RST38h | Well, that excludes most people | 19:05 |
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| _Sky_ | yes, i didn't say its a distribution for somebody who wants a linux that just works and has a nice preinstalled gui and gui configuration tools. But if somebody likes to be up-to-date and digg a bit deeper into linux and don't want to compile everythink like in gentoo, then its simply the best :) | 19:09 |
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| RST38h | naah, the OS is a workhorse, you use it to do work, not for sexual gratification | 19:10 |
| _Sky_ | but you can't use up-to-date packages with ubuntu or debian for example, either you use ppa's which are insecure/untrusted or you speed much time compiling it and its dependencys which can be very much because of other packages/librarys which are now also out of date | 19:14 |
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| RST38h | But I do not need to, just need them to work most of the time. | 19:16 |
| _Sky_ | and if something breaks you often find yourself in a maze of depencies and distribition tools and you don't have a clue where to start searching for the bug that now caused your x-server/dbus/hal/... not to work properly anymore and you fear to change some configuration files because they are often overwritten by other tools or just break something else | 19:17 |
| _Sky_ | RST38h: didn't you ever want to try something out at the time you read that it was released and has a very cool new feature ? | 19:20 |
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| RST38h | Sometimes, but I will usually wait for a binary package becoming available | 19:22 |
| _Sky_ | for example, kde 4.4.2 and gnome 2.30 were recently released, how long do you have to wait to get them ? | 19:22 |
| RST38h | I am not interested in these | 19:23 |
| _Sky_ | it was an example ;) | 19:23 |
| RST38h | Bad example then | 19:23 |
| _Sky_ | im not either, iam using openbox | 19:23 |
| _Sky_ | *lxde with openbox | 19:23 |
| RST38h | When I really want to run something fresh, it is usually a standalone package, smallish | 19:24 |
| RST38h | like some game, emulator, or an IDE | 19:24 |
| RST38h | at the very worst case, I can compile these. But if they do not compile, I am fine, do not need them for work | 19:24 |
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| _Sky_ | i can understand that, but i for my part love to try out new things and see whats happening in the opensource world :) | 19:27 |
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| _Sky_ | I don't want to wait until the next distribution release, the arch packages are mostly stable and tested enough, of course sometimes they aren't because of a very short testing time, but i like to fix/test things and i often learn more about linux or some programming languages when i do so :) | 19:31 |
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| oj_ | hello all | 19:48 |
| oj_ | has anyone here tried the meego preview on a netbook yet? | 19:48 |
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| _Sky_ | yes | 19:55 |
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| lbt | TSCHAKeee: you may want to update http://www.linuxmce.org/index.php/news/developer/148-rolling-back-source-base | 19:59 |
| _Sky_ | I would suggest you to use CosmoHill's vdi (VirtualBox) image, you can get it here: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/ , but you can also make it working with qemu at x86 with these instructions: http://www.sundtek.de/meego/index.txt | 19:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | lbt: oh yeah, murcel will edit that. ;) | 19:59 |
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| oj_ | nice! i was just downloading a vm of fedora to build that usbiso too | 20:06 |
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| postmanPechkin | good evening | 20:06 |
| oj_ | thank you! | 20:07 |
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| WhiteWolf | hi guys | 20:09 |
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| WhiteWolf | anyone alive ? | 20:10 |
| amjad | saturday people become zombies here :) | 20:10 |
| WhiteWolf | *g* | 20:11 |
| WhiteWolf | i have a question burning on my tung, and thought it might be best posted here :P | 20:11 |
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| postmanPechkin | i am alive | 20:12 |
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| WhiteWolf | today i stumbled across the fact, that maemo on the nokia n900 is more "open" than i thought, it even has a rootshell and so on... i wondered if meego would have those possibillities too on upcoming mobile phones | 20:14 |
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| _Sky_ | i hope so, otherwise, build your own meego image for you phone if you miss something ;) | 20:18 |
| WhiteWolf | would be nice to be able to use my phone to checkout my server at home via ssh ^^ | 20:18 |
| _Sky_ | openssh is already in the meego repository | 20:19 |
| WhiteWolf | (still use a creepy old samsung sgh-d600 and i'm looking for a new one now, should be linux-based) | 20:20 |
| WhiteWolf | and the n900 looks very promising | 20:20 |
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| WhiteWolf | well, i hope the good old bash will make it into meego too :) | 20:21 |
| _Sky_ | it's already there | 20:22 |
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| WhiteWolf | yay | 20:22 |
| WhiteWolf | :D | 20:22 |
| WhiteWolf | thats what i wanted to hear. thanks ;) | 20:22 |
| _Sky_ | but meego is in a very early state | 20:22 |
| WhiteWolf | i know | 20:23 |
| _Sky_ | there is no gui yet ;) | 20:23 |
| WhiteWolf | who needs graphix xD | 20:23 |
| _Sky_ | would suggest you to try CosmoHill's vdi (VirtualBox) image, you can get it here: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/ | 20:23 |
| WhiteWolf | thanks :) | 20:24 |
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| TSCHAKeee | holy fuck, this is painful | 21:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | nfs mount over wifi to an arm mid | 21:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | chroot even | 21:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 21:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | but it is STILL BETTER | 21:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | than beating the living crap out of autobreak to behave | 21:16 |
| _Sky_ | is there any reason why Xephyr is not in the repository ? | 21:18 |
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| _Sky_ | otherwise i'll try to make a package for it | 21:19 |
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| thiago | why do you need xephyr in the MeeGo repository? | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | _Sky_: maybe in extra | 21:21 |
| _Sky_ | because i use it with chroot on my pc and want a seperate X-Server for it with different resolutions | 21:21 |
| w00t_ | doesn't scratchbox talk about running xephyr on the host? | 21:22 |
| * w00t_ vaguely remembers something like that | 21:22 | |
| _Sky_ | oh yes, sorry my fault :D | 21:22 |
| thiago | you're explaining why you want Xephyr | 21:23 |
| _Sky_ | you are right ;) | 21:23 |
| thiago | you're not explaining why you want Xephyr in MeeGo | 21:23 |
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| thiago | start Xephyr from your outer distro | 21:23 |
| _Sky_ | it was a bit ago since i used it the last time, so i mixed it up a little :) | 21:24 |
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| _Sky_ | it works fine now, thanks for the hint ;) | 21:27 |
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| _Sky_ | are there plans to make a modified xfce or something like that for meego or is it in the repo just for testing purposes ? | 21:30 |
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| CosmoHill | _Sky_: I can see everytime you recommend the VM cos it sets off my highlight :) | 22:04 |
| _Sky_ | :D | 22:06 |
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