| jusliukk | saltsa, seems to be just a terminal that works | 00:00 |
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| saltsa_ | jusliukk, can one make phonecalls from terminal? ;) | 00:00 |
| lool | arjan: We want to enable the full stack for .deb as if this was the native format | 00:00 |
| Jaffa | thiago_home: I'd rather not to ;-) | 00:00 |
| slaine | Hold the meeting in Dublin, then I'll be able to attend :) | 00:00 |
| thiago_home | saltsa_: yeah, it's just an xterm | 00:00 |
| w00t_ | saltsa_: come back in a few months, I'd say | 00:00 |
| th0br0 | slaine: i'm for frankfort :D | 00:00 |
| slaine | lol | 00:00 |
| th0br0 | there must be some place there to fit all the devs into, too. | 00:01 |
| lool | arjan: Make it as easy to build a MeeGo application .deb than a MeeGo application .rpm, or to maintain a MeeGo repository and buildds and ship images using dpkg internally | 00:01 |
| arjan | lool: but this not give you a way to use debian packages or anything | 00:01 |
| Clay | ugh | 00:01 |
| arjan | what'd be the objective? | 00:01 |
| lool | arjan: The goal is to leverage the Debian technologies, tools, and software catalogs | 00:01 |
| slaine | It sounds like a proposal for .debs just for the sake of it being based on .debs | 00:01 |
| lool | arjan: If you mean one can't install a package from debian.org on a MeeGo device, no indeed not | 00:02 |
| * w00t_ agrees with slaine really | 00:02 | |
| arjan | you don't get the software catalogs etc if you just package as .deb | 00:02 |
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| lool | arjan: But many packages will be rebuildable (perhaps without change) in MeeGo/.deb | 00:02 |
| arjan | lool: you can't even take its debian/ directory | 00:02 |
| tripzero | apt-build is the yummy | 00:02 |
| lool | arjan: Well it depends of which packages you consider | 00:02 |
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| javispedro | Too bad Jaffa's second question will have to wait.. | 00:03 |
| lbt | wow 60 minutes and done... nevermind the outstanding Qs... :) | 00:03 |
| * NishanthMenon groans at http://pastebin.mozilla.org/711909 | 00:03 | |
| slaine | aren't all the .deb tools obviated by the fact that we're using OBS | 00:03 |
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| lbt | slaine: nope | 00:03 |
| lool | arjan: But I do realize what you're saying, I'm a Debian and an Ubuntu developer and there are already some differences between the debian/ between the two, I also created Maemo .debs | 00:03 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: I'll ask it on http://wiki.meego.com/Talk:MeeGo_Summit_2010 (snigger) | 00:03 |
| thiago_home | how do I unsplit in irssi now? | 00:03 |
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| arjan | lool: meego is very differently structured, even in the very core | 00:03 |
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| arjan | I doubt you could reuse even a single package as is | 00:03 |
| lool | lbt: Yes; I'm not sure this is a really good approach, too bad if you are one of the last topics | 00:03 |
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| javispedro | exactly. the differences between debian and ubuntu are... minor compared to the differences between meego and debian | 00:04 |
| th0br0 | http://meego.mkdir.name/mirror/ for those interested, NishanthMenon | 00:04 |
| javispedro | (which even though I'm sure MeeGo team denies it, has a Fedora feeling over it ;) ) | 00:04 |
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| arjan | javispedro: it has a very RPM feeling over it ;-) | 00:04 |
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| tripzero | s/feeling/fondling | 00:04 |
| arjan | and yes we borrow various fedora packaging guidelines | 00:04 |
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| DawnFoster | Note: The next TSG meeting will be one hour earlier to accommodate the recent time change: 19:00 UTC (Noon PST / 10pm Helsinki) | 00:04 |
| alexbez | Was it just me, who thought that most of the questions were answered like "Lets discuss it in mailing lists"? Then what's the point to bring themto TSG meeting? | 00:04 |
| arjan | since theyd o make sense | 00:04 |
| lool | arjan: I can't really comment on that by just looking at the architecture diagram; we could go into specifics, but I don't think that makes any sense until we see a public SDK | 00:04 |
| NishanthMenon | th0br0, thx.. 40 mins :) | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | alexbez: better than 'no' | 00:05 |
| th0br0 | there's some typo on the gitorious page ... # MeeGo Handset UX MeeGo Hanset User Experience | 00:05 |
| javispedro | arjan: I think not all of them can be explained by the use of RPM :P | 00:05 |
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| javispedro | (but let's forget about this) | 00:05 |
| juliank | lool: Acquiring RPM packaging skills can even help. | 00:05 |
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| lbt | yeah... discuss the RWG instead... | 00:05 |
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| arjan | juliank: and we have tools to help packaging | 00:06 |
| tekojo | lbt yes | 00:06 |
| juliank | arjan: Do you mean tools to create spec files? | 00:06 |
| arjan | juliank: yep | 00:06 |
| arjan | create and maintain | 00:06 |
| gcobb | RWG: so can someone explain what the Moblin garage is if it isn't the same as Maemo garage? | 00:06 |
| arjan | gcobb" moblin garage is basically .. how to say it | 00:07 |
| arjan | an appstore without a store | 00:07 |
| javispedro | maemo.org/downloads | 00:07 |
| tekojo | lbt after thinking (with my past 00:00 muddled brain) it might be the the RWG should be tied to the actual structure of MeeGo | 00:07 |
| juliank | arjan: Well, I prefer to write everything myself; and consider auto-generated parts of packaging to be bad. | 00:07 |
| javispedro | gcobb: seen http://garage.moblin.org/ ? | 00:07 |
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| tekojo | so it would not be a WG, but part of the governance model | 00:07 |
| arjan | juliank: then I think we have some disagreement, at least for about 75% of packages | 00:07 |
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| gcobb | javispedro: I am looking at it, but I am still not sure I understand the goals | 00:08 |
| lool | arjan: common code != autogenerated | 00:08 |
| th0br0 | tekojo: well, eventually it would be pretty high up... even possibly having some other wgs under its ruling | 00:08 |
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| arjan | juliank: for 75% of packages, packaging is very little more than boilerplate | 00:08 |
| lool | But I don't think that this RPM versus .deb discussion will lead anywhere | 00:08 |
| arjan | lool: rpm vs deb has been done before here ;-) | 00:08 |
| lool | People have feelings and preferences, there is a lot of history to each | 00:08 |
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| jusliukk | why not make meego 1.0 with rpm base, and once we have that stable, consider a deb variant? | 00:08 |
| javispedro | gcobb: seems something like http://maemo.org/downloads/ | 00:08 |
| tekojo | th0br0 no, the model is not like that, wg:s have a place, but being in the structure removes that need | 00:08 |
| arjan | lool: and to be very blunt about it, rpm and deb are VERY comparable in what you can do with them. it's mostly around preference/taste | 00:08 |
| lool | The point is: there is a huge amount of people and software for .deb | 00:08 |
| gcobb | Is Moblin garage somewhere to put ported apps from elsewhere? like the GPE apps, or KDE apps, or... | 00:08 |
| th0br0 | well, yeah tekojo... that's what i meant more or less with that. | 00:09 |
| lool | And it should be possible to ship MeeGo with .debs, and allow people to ship MeeGo apps as .debs | 00:09 |
| arjan | lool: the software is moot if there is no interoperability with that part of the deb universe | 00:09 |
| th0br0 | it's just different to discern where there is need for a wg and where there isn't ... | 00:09 |
| arjan | gcobb: basically | 00:09 |
| lbt | tekojo: sorry, scouring backlog for comments to record | 00:09 |
| tekojo | gcobb, it's more like a maintained place where stable ports go in | 00:09 |
| gaveen | lool, so basically it's forking ? | 00:09 |
| lool | arjan: The actual packages are comparable in features, but the development workflow, available tools, and philosophies are quite different IMHO | 00:09 |
| javispedro | tekojo: not only ports I guess, if there was to be a "meego native" app? | 00:09 |
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| Clay | lool: Then make a fork thats deb based? | 00:09 |
| lool | gaveen: No; it's giving the choice | 00:09 |
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| arjan | lool: oh no argument... and those actually are reasons we picked rpm for meego | 00:10 |
| tekojo | javispedro right | 00:10 |
| lbt | yes, I agree ... it could become more core... but it has to start somewhere and it gets people (ie non-employees) involved | 00:10 |
| lool | Clay: Forks are bad, and it would be considered a lesser MeeGo if done as a fork | 00:10 |
| juliank | lool: Good RPM is better than the deb stuff I've seen on maemo.org | 00:10 |
| lool | juliank: That might be true | 00:10 |
| jusliukk | juliank, agree 100% | 00:10 |
| arjan | lool: would you say that by saying "but there are deb packaged apps that are not in rpm"... you then create a gap between the rpm meego and a hypothetical deb meego as well | 00:10 |
| tekojo | lbt but think of it, directly in core with community involved | 00:10 |
| arjan | unless you also commit to conver that to rpm as well | 00:10 |
| javispedro | oh, anything is better than the "freedoms" we take in maemo packaging ;) | 00:10 |
| Clay | lool: Well thats the only alternative. They decided on RPM. They're going with RPM. | 00:11 |
| lbt | tekojo: I'd take that | 00:11 |
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| tripzero | does the meego n900 image have a working modem stack? | 00:11 |
| tekojo | lbt so would I, now some prodding the ice with a stick | 00:11 |
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| lbt | the point about the support/non-support was supposed to aid in positioning Meego to other vendors too :) | 00:11 |
| lool | arjan: I could flip that argument by saying that if there's a gap and we can't offer .deb support in MeeGo upstream, then it's going to be an issue to ship .deb based MeeGo images, even as forks | 00:11 |
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| alden | whats the advantages of going with rpm or deb? | 00:11 |
| w00t_ | tripzero: I doubt it | 00:12 |
| Clay | this horse is dead. move on. | 00:12 |
| lool | Clay: I think we can come up with intermediate contributions | 00:12 |
| juliank | The thing I worry about is the per-vendor app store concept, instead of a common one. | 00:12 |
| tripzero | Clay, the horse will never die, but move on anyway? | 00:12 |
| arjan | alden: there is very very little difference | 00:12 |
| lbt | juliank: yes ... I'm trying to address that too | 00:12 |
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| alden | arjan: yeah im trying to find out what tho.. | 00:12 |
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| arjan | alden: especially since you don't have interoperability with packaging universes for either side | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | tripzero: we had ofono going, needed closed binaries, newer ofono doesnt | 00:12 |
| lool | Clay: other projects such as GNOME aren't specific to a packaging technology (package manager neutral); I realize it's not a part of their software stack, but still they manage to remain neutral | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | tripzero: so there is hope | 00:13 |
| Clay | tripzero: people are trying to revive it? it was killed in the meeting. But yes, move on anyway | 00:13 |
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| arjan | (the myth that if you are .deb you can use debian packages is just false... that only works if you are actually structured like debian) | 00:13 |
| lool | juliank: This will live on | 00:13 |
| lbt | arjan: that, to me, was a mistake | 00:13 |
| Clay | lool: Gnome isn't a distribution. | 00:13 |
| lool | juliank: The most downstream software distributor has interest in hosting the store bits and keeping the associated added value | 00:13 |
| lbt | not the packaging... the making it hard to use the packaging effort of other distros | 00:13 |
| juliank | lool: You just need to view MeeGo as two projects instead of something like GNOME. | 00:14 |
| tripzero | Stskeeps, so i'ts missing the closed modem driver bits? | 00:14 |
| lbt | by making the packaging splits different | 00:14 |
| gcobb | lool: but maybe only for commercial apps? | 00:14 |
| lool | Clay: I wouldn't summarize MeeGo as a distribution | 00:14 |
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| lool | gcobb: Up to them :) | 00:14 |
| arjan | lool: you're wrong then | 00:14 |
| * w00t_ wonders if we're back in day 0: packaging discussion! :D | 00:14 | |
| arjan | MeeGo *IS* a distribution | 00:14 |
| javispedro | .deb meego is not necessarily compatible with debian or ubuntu; ".deb maemo" is only compatible with around 50% of debian packages. | 00:14 |
| slaine | Look, you' make mrshaver leave | 00:14 |
| lool | arjan: It's not *just* a distribution | 00:14 |
| Clay | lool: i'd say it is | 00:14 |
| slaine | give it a rest | 00:14 |
| arjan | lool: most distributions also do upstream tech development. so do we | 00:15 |
| Stskeeps | tripzero: by our cut time we didn't include it cos of too much closed stuff - you should be able to build ofono git fine and work without :) | 00:15 |
| gcobb | I mean: I think there will be multiple app stores: the device manufacturers' but also the core MeeGo one for apps which only depend on MeeGo core | 00:15 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Question about content now asked on http://wiki.meego.com/Talk:MeeGo_Summit_2010#Content - will ask on meego-community when appropriate | 00:15 |
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| lbt | :) | 00:15 |
| lbt | gcobb: I keep asking that | 00:16 |
| juliank | arjan: MeeGo is an upstream (software project) and its own downstream (distribution). | 00:16 |
| lbt | I asked in the meeting when Meego was announced iirc | 00:16 |
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| mikhas | unrelated: anyone else thinks that this arch diagram is barely readable? less web 2.0 and more svg could help there ... | 00:16 |
| lool | arjan: Would I present MeeGo to anyone, I would mention development of new software as one of its key missions, with the distribution side of things being one item on the stack | 00:16 |
| arjan | juliank: in that definiton, fedora is too, as is suse | 00:16 |
| lool | And to me it certainly seems replaceable | 00:16 |
| arjan | lool: I don't think that characterization is right | 00:17 |
| lool | While if I consider Fedora or Ubuntu, their main goals isn't to write new software -- even if they do write some | 00:17 |
| gaveen | how about someone suggesting right about now for a .rpm based Maemo? :D | 00:17 |
| arjan | meego is an operating system with an objective, and we'll develop all the pieces that don't exist yet | 00:17 |
| juliank | arjan: No, their developers develop things for upstream projects (kernel, gnome); but MeeGo develops much more for itself (UX, etc). | 00:17 |
| arjan | juliank: fedora especially develops a WHOLE BUCH for themselves as well | 00:17 |
| javispedro | gaveen: .rpm has had "not-redhat based rpm distros" for much longer so they understand the issue better than us debianites | 00:18 |
| arjan | and so does suse | 00:18 |
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| arjan | juliank: even ubuntu develops some tech | 00:18 |
| arjan | (yes others pick it up as well, but still) | 00:18 |
| th0br0 | arjan: no good one though :P | 00:18 |
| lbt | juliank, lool... Isn't it that Meego isn't in the desktop space - so it's using relatively unknown apps | 00:18 |
| juliank | lbt: No, MeeGo creates apps. | 00:19 |
| lbt | aswell | 00:19 |
| lool | lbt: I think it is spending more resources on new software development than the typical integrator | 00:19 |
| arjan | lool: if you consider "ubuntu" teh typical integrator, sure | 00:19 |
| lbt | yes.... by necessity though | 00:19 |
| arjan | but not if you consider RH or such | 00:19 |
| arjan | distro is more than just integrator | 00:19 |
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| arjan | it's delivering an integrated whole by combining existing open source software and developing the rest to fill the gaps | 00:20 |
| javispedro | let's call it a "project". | 00:20 |
| javispedro | :) | 00:20 |
| slaine | arjan, wow, that's just what I said to my CEO this morning | 00:20 |
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| slaine | Is my moblin netbook bugged ? | 00:20 |
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| th0br0 | xD slaine | 00:20 |
| * lbt wonders what you'd see looking at how much RH spent per deployment over the first 2 years cf MeeGo over it's first 2 years | 00:20 | |
| arjan | all your kernel are belong to us | 00:20 |
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| th0br0 | lbt: not sure you can really compare that | 00:21 |
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| lool | I don't want to go into comparing numbers or distro behaviors | 00:21 |
| th0br0 | fedora is rather young, only 5 years old iirc, red hat existed before that | 00:21 |
| lool | I had enough of a .deb versus .rpm flamewar for tonight | 00:21 |
| arjan | hehe me too | 00:21 |
| arjan | and I need to get up to go to the bloody airport in 4 hours | 00:21 |
| lbt | of course not - but it gives you an idea of degree of spend | 00:21 |
| arjan | so I really ought to try to get some sleep | 00:21 |
| lbt | arjan: heh | 00:21 |
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| * auke takes over from arjan | 00:22 | |
| jusliukk | …so i guess it would be rude to wonder why the security parts came with dpkg included..? ;) | 00:22 |
| lool | I hope the MeeGo project will accept people with .deb hats to contribute; let's see what we can technically offer to move this forward | 00:22 |
| lbt | hey mr bootchart! | 00:22 |
| anaZ | oh… sleep | 00:22 |
| th0br0 | gn8 arjan_zzzz | 00:22 |
| anaZ | i wish I could | 00:22 |
| auke | hi David :) | 00:22 |
| lbt | :) | 00:22 |
| w00t_ | is it "let's gang up on auke" day today? | 00:22 |
| lbt | hope that wasn't too harsh for a day-1 email | 00:22 |
| * w00t_ rubs hands | 00:22 | |
| th0br0 | NishanthMenon: why can't you? | 00:22 |
| X-Fade | Slaap lekker! | 00:22 |
| th0br0 | eeh anaZ why can't you ^^ | 00:22 |
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| NishanthMenon | th0br0, about the git clone? no idea.. just dumps me no data.. assuming coz the network is getting hammered | 00:23 |
| th0br0 | huh NishanthMenon? | 00:23 |
| * arjan_zzzz is still amuzed by someone who just wrote "bootchart2" that someone reimplemented bootchart | 00:23 | |
| arjan_zzzz | ;) | 00:23 |
| arjan_zzzz | s//complaining/ | 00:23 |
| alden | goodnight folks | 00:23 |
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| th0br0 | arjan_zzzz: that's not a valid regexp :P | 00:24 |
| lbt | auke: got to admit mmeeks positioned things .... | 00:24 |
| th0br0 | aah you meant after "bootchart" :D k | 00:24 |
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| lbt | th0br0: it is... it just segfaulted | 00:24 |
| NishanthMenon | th0br0, i wondered if you pinged me on my pastebin | 00:24 |
| th0br0 | NishanthMenon: huh? no. | 00:24 |
| th0br0 | lbt: haha, ok. | 00:24 |
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| th0br0 | s/haha/ohoh/ | 00:24 |
| infobot | th0br0 meant: lbt: ohoh, ok. | 00:24 |
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| th0br0 | anyway, i'm going to follow the zZz now, too. | 00:25 |
| lbt | night | 00:25 |
| th0br0 | talk to you tomorrow | 00:25 |
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| th0br0 | night | 00:25 |
| slaine | yeah, time I knocked off too | 00:25 |
| NishanthMenon | th0br0, gnite | 00:26 |
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| slaine | I've to be up in 5 hours | 00:26 |
| DawnFoster | gnite everyone | 00:26 |
| w00t_ | nighty night | 00:26 |
| teronuppi | Someone successfully installed Meego into N900? | 00:26 |
| lbt | thanks DawnFoster | 00:26 |
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| w00t_ | teronuppi: I have no doubt that a few people have. I hope you understand what MeeGo currently is, though :) | 00:26 |
| w00t_ | teronuppi: see: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM | 00:26 |
| * lbt goes back to his dbus/OBS integration... | 00:27 | |
| w00t_ | lbt: fun fun! | 00:27 |
| lbt | it's like RSS on steroids | 00:27 |
| teronuppi | would like to see some screenshots :) | 00:27 |
| lbt | teronuppi: of a terminal? | 00:27 |
| rsalveti | teronuppi: there is only one | 00:27 |
| microlith | imagine twm, only without twm | 00:27 |
| rsalveti | of a terminal :-) | 00:27 |
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| teronuppi | oh.. thought it would have been developed a bit longer :))) | 00:29 |
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| teronuppi | well, I'll wait... | 00:29 |
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| auke | lbt: mmeeks and me get along really well, he actually is not interested in maintaining bootchart programs in the long run | 00:35 |
| lbt | when I read his email - the concepts he puts forward are really important. Sadly bootchart's position is 100% defensible. | 00:36 |
| auke | lbt: of course. there's nothing wrong trying to make me and mmeeks work together | 00:37 |
| auke | lbt: but, don't forget, most of my work was done roughly at the same time mmeeks started with bootchart2 | 00:38 |
| lbt | yeah - and it's a few lines of C ... frankly I felt bad about the emails.. :) | 00:38 |
| lbt | however... NIH is something that tends to come from teams that work inside orgs - and I'd like to see it rejected more | 00:38 |
| auke | in this case, NIH is not so relevant, since the need internally here for a tool that doesn't need python or java was the biggest issue | 00:39 |
| lbt | although greg kh made some points and michael commented on granularity | 00:39 |
| lbt | yeah, I fully accept I was wrong about that | 00:39 |
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| auke | taskstats are something I did look at, but deemed not needed for what was asked | 00:39 |
| auke | we can revisit | 00:40 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:40 |
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| auke | high resolution data may not be relevant | 00:40 |
| lbt | does the the data come out in non-svg format too ? | 00:40 |
| auke | the svg contains machine-parseble data | 00:41 |
| auke | so, we can put in anything in there we want | 00:41 |
| lbt | and do all processes get caught? the lo-res doesn't impact that? | 00:41 |
| auke | no, we don't catch processes that exist in between two sample times | 00:42 |
| auke | for those, arjan wrote timechart | 00:42 |
| auke | which goes beyond bootchart's capabilities | 00:42 |
| lbt | I used to use it for diagnostics to see where things came from ... spawn trees | 00:42 |
| lbt | or fork trees | 00:42 |
| lbt | (when setting up my mythtv diskless box :) ) | 00:43 |
| auke | bootchart wasn't meant for that granularity | 00:43 |
| auke | for me, it's like sticking a thermometer in the turkey and reading "done" or "not done" | 00:43 |
| lbt | sure - if it doesn't show up it's fast enough!! | 00:44 |
| auke | yes, that's the idea | 00:44 |
| auke | originally I had my bootchart sample 50x per second | 00:44 |
| auke | but that seemed a bit too much, and not needed to catch most of the data anyway | 00:44 |
| lbt | I guess that hints at the idea that whilst it solves the Meego problem.. it would be nice to support solving other problems too :) | 00:44 |
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| lbt | but... decisions and resources.... I know | 00:45 |
| * w00t_ is tempted to say 'patches welcome', but remembers that lbt is in the same country and decides he can't run fast enough | 00:46 | |
| lbt | heh | 00:46 |
| lbt | I can throw hard from here... | 00:47 |
| auke | can you throw patches? | 00:47 |
| lbt | <grin>... not well, they miss | 00:47 |
| auke | do you actually code? :) | 00:47 |
| lbt | kinda | 00:47 |
| Jaffa | He does better. He hacks (and docs) | 00:47 |
| auke | ooo | 00:48 |
| Jaffa | And drinks. | 00:48 |
| lbt | I do not drink! | 00:48 |
| lbt | much | 00:48 |
| Jaffa | Ditto. | 00:48 |
| Jaffa | Honest. | 00:48 |
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| lbt | auke: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/UsingGitorious | 00:48 |
| auke | I'm a social drinker. if you take a drink, soshall I | 00:48 |
| Jaffa | :) | 00:48 |
| w00t_ | auke: best approach, tbh | 00:48 |
| lbt | where in the world are you auke? | 00:49 |
| * thiago_home sees someone suggested Oslo for the MeeGo Summit/Conference | 00:49 | |
| thiago_home | no, no, no, you don't want to come to Oslo... | 00:49 |
| auke | well, I used to call The Netherlands home | 00:49 |
| auke | now it's more like Oregon | 00:49 |
| lbt | *nod* | 00:49 |
| auke | same weather | 00:49 |
| auke | less flat | 00:49 |
| thiago_home | my point was price | 00:50 |
| lbt | yeah... Holland was cheap | 00:50 |
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| lbt | auke: let me know if you're int to Helsinki on a monday... | 00:50 |
| w00t_ | Oslo would rock anyway, but I'm kind of biased, I want to go there! :P | 00:50 |
| thiago_home | price of beer at a regular pub (0.6 L): 6.20 € / $ 8.40 | 00:50 |
| lbt | eek | 00:50 |
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| thiago_home | 'nuff said | 00:51 |
| * lbt drinks cocktails so that would be even worse! | 00:51 | |
| w00t_ | thiago_home: i take it you don't go out drinking often then :) | 00:51 |
| thiago_home | just on payday | 00:51 |
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| thiago_home | we get enough for rent and 3 beers | 00:51 |
| w00t_ | haha | 00:52 |
| * w00t_ needs to go for a drink next week, purely for social purposes | 00:52 | |
| auke | lbt: I'm lucky enough | 00:53 |
| auke | lbt: I'm not important enough to get sent to hell^Hsinki | 00:53 |
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| lbt | heh ... it's my short commute from London | 00:53 |
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| lbt | hey, thiago_home, I've been looking for a signal/slot solution for python and you may know one .... (I've been using louie) | 00:55 |
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| jatt | did someone already manage to install meego on the n900? | 00:55 |
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| lbt | jatt: we're at the point where it's a good idea to know someone with a nokia hardware reflasher before trying... | 00:56 |
| w00t_ | jatt: more than likely. see http://wiki.meego.com/ARM | 00:56 |
| w00t_ | jatt: make sure you read the top part carefully. | 00:57 |
| lbt | ... but feel free to toast your expensive phone in order to run a terminal... :) | 00:57 |
| lbt | s//potentially/ | 00:57 |
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| jatt | I see. so it's dangerous to try it out? | 00:58 |
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| w00t_ | it is potentially dangerous, and it doesn't have much to offer | 00:58 |
| lbt | I'm not trying it on day 1. | 00:58 |
| jatt | I see | 00:58 |
| w00t_ | ^ | 00:58 |
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| w00t_ | if you're an app developer, I'd wait a month or two | 00:58 |
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| * javispedro notes that Fedora is the MeeGo dev platform of choice | 00:59 | |
| lbt | lool: you package louie? | 00:59 |
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| lool | lbt: I used to, was a rdep I needed | 01:05 |
| lool | It's under DPMT | 01:05 |
| lbt | I'm just after some docs/examples... | 01:05 |
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| lool | lbt: You could check moovida or coherence? | 01:06 |
| lbt | I'm newish to python | 01:06 |
| lbt | OK... I'd seen coherence uses it | 01:06 |
| lool | Well coherence even has a builting copy :-( | 01:07 |
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| * lool bed & | 01:07 | |
| lbt | night - ta | 01:07 |
| lbt | me too .... night all. | 01:08 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 01:09 |
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| lauri | hey guys | 01:14 |
| lauri | I have a proposal for GSoC, please take a look here: http://v6sa.itcollege.ee/wiki/?page=tx-mobile | 01:14 |
| lauri | I am very much interested in feedback! | 01:14 |
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| anotnac | anyone got a link to the meeting transcript from today | 01:24 |
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| scifi | anotnac: I guess this is what you are looking for. http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-03-31-19.58.log.txt | 01:30 |
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| koupsa | long long long download... finish before meego2 ? | 01:34 |
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| microlith | is there any word on what input framework MeeGo will be using? | 02:20 |
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| javispedro | harmattan at least has its own one | 02:21 |
| javispedro | part of dui iirc | 02:21 |
| javispedro | (source is on gitoriouououous) | 02:21 |
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| Tenkawa | so... that one nokia image wouldnt run on a 800 by chance would it? | 03:12 |
| Jaffa | Tenkawa: See Stskeeps' post about it ;-) | 03:12 |
| Tenkawa | ok.. | 03:13 |
| Tenkawa | thanks | 03:13 |
| Jaffa | Tenkawa: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=590311&postcount=16 | 03:14 |
| Tenkawa | got a ponter? | 03:14 |
| Tenkawa | thanks | 03:14 |
| Tenkawa | er pointer | 03:14 |
| Jaffa | Took a while to dig it up | 03:14 |
| Jaffa | Sign I should go to bed. | 03:14 |
| Tenkawa | yeah I had tried the search on meego.com with no hits so thanks | 03:14 |
| Tenkawa | well.. if the 810 works it "possibly" could on the 800 | 03:15 |
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| Tenkawa | it would probably be pretty slow though | 03:16 |
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| javispedro | xterm? | 03:17 |
| Tenkawa | javispedro: eh? | 03:17 |
| javispedro | Tenkawa: that Nokia image boots to a xterm | 03:17 |
| Tenkawa | javispedro: ahhhh | 03:18 |
| Tenkawa | blah... | 03:18 |
| Tenkawa | I'll keep diablo | 03:18 |
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| Tenkawa | thanks for the info all | 03:19 |
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| CosmoHill | night monkeys | 03:20 |
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| GAN900 | How'd day 1 go? | 03:24 |
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| javispedro | Well, the meeting was the usual.. uh... how to say. | 03:24 |
| * javispedro decides to shut :) | 03:25 | |
| Pforce | im a bit confused, how am i to run these http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/n900/images/ | 03:25 |
| Pforce | from maemo5 just execute one of those or | 03:25 |
| Pforce | do i have to modify some bootloader | 03:25 |
| Pforce | to boot into it | 03:26 |
| arjan_zzzz | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM | 03:26 |
| Pforce | very well | 03:26 |
| Pforce | :) | 03:26 |
| Pforce | that should be linked in the dl page | 03:26 |
| Pforce | or suppose i should have looked at the wiki :P | 03:27 |
| Pforce | reading the warnings on the native install page makes me leave this at this point, haha | 03:28 |
| Pforce | dont wanna brick my n900 | 03:28 |
| arjan_zzzz | if all you use your phone for is run xterm... the meego stuff is brilliant ;) | 03:28 |
| arjan_zzzz | it's really good at that. | 03:29 |
| javispedro | GAN900: and you get to say all those TMOers that the MeeGo build only boots to an xterm! | 03:29 |
| Pforce | arjan_zzzz: can you tell, when there is a proper release with ui and stuff, do i still have to remove/flash my maemo5 and put meego there | 03:29 |
| Pforce | like i cant dualboot when its done | 03:29 |
| arjan_zzzz | there's the chroot method | 03:30 |
| arjan_zzzz | if you google n900 and dual boot you find many articles | 03:30 |
| arjan_zzzz | some less true than others | 03:30 |
| Pforce | right, so its possible | 03:30 |
| Pforce | good to know | 03:30 |
| Pforce | quite interested in this but dont wanna make my phone unusable | 03:30 |
| Pforce | i guess it can always be flashed back to maemo5 | 03:30 |
| Pforce | sounds like some work anyways | 03:31 |
| Pforce | i wonder if nokia will give the "ok" to install meego, like warranty and stuff if you brick your device :P | 03:31 |
| arjan_zzzz | hahaha doubt it | 03:31 |
| Pforce | yeah, so whos ever gonna put this in but developers | 03:32 |
| Pforce | if that doesent happen | 03:32 |
| arjan_zzzz | you can use it on a netbook too | 03:32 |
| arjan_zzzz | bit easier around the warranty | 03:32 |
| Pforce | sure, but talking spesificly the n900 | 03:32 |
| Pforce | all the blogs and sites talk how this is for the n900 replacing maemo6 | 03:33 |
| Pforce | but if there is no proper installer coming to "upgrade my os to meego safely" | 03:33 |
| Pforce | whats the hype for :P | 03:33 |
| Pforce | meh should go to sleep | 03:33 |
| javispedro | no, this doesn't replace maemo6... | 03:34 |
| Pforce | right, i tought the projects merged and maemo6 is out | 03:34 |
| * arjan_zzzz did not think maemo6 was released yet | 03:34 | |
| Pforce | i mean replacing in the sense that its not done anymore and meego will be released | 03:35 |
| Pforce | but im sure im missinformed about this :) | 03:35 |
| Pforce | just hope there would be a pop up on my N900 some day "update to meego/maemo6 os" which ever :) | 03:36 |
| Pforce | dont really care if it takes 2 months or 2 years | 03:36 |
| Pforce | when its done | 03:36 |
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| johnx | is there a mirror up of the meego images somewhere? | 05:20 |
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| mza-_ | m2 seems to be broken:( | 05:34 |
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| johnx | is anyone else having trouble with the meego-codedrop-arm-n900-201003311626.tar.gz ? | 05:42 |
| johnx | I get tar: invalid tar magic | 05:42 |
| johnx | while extracting ... | 05:42 |
| johnx | Pretty sure I have all of it, but I don't see a list of checksums to compare against | 05:42 |
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| Stskeeps | morning! | 09:25 |
| thiago | morning Stskeeps | 09:26 |
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| ZEDDY | is there a tutorial on how to get meego running on your n900 | 09:33 |
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| Zeddy | "meego can be installed from a usb stick or cd disk.." yet there is an image for the n900 | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.meego.com/ARM but do it at your own risk and only if you tried reflashing your device before | 09:34 |
| Zeddy | cool thanks! | 09:34 |
| kad | Zeddy: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/n900/images/ | 09:34 |
| Zeddy | i got a few test devices to try it on in school | 09:34 |
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| * thiago is installing on chroot | 09:35 | |
| Zeddy | are there btw any videos / screens showing the meego running on a n900+ | 09:35 |
| kad | Zeddy: google for it. there are some | 09:36 |
| lpotter | Zeddy: it boots to xterm | 09:36 |
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| Zeddy | ok :D | 09:36 |
| thiago | yes, very nice screenshots of an xterm | 09:36 |
| Zeddy | so no guis at all | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | it is actually a video of an xterm, we couldn't get X running ;) | 09:36 |
| lpotter | not even full screen :) | 09:36 |
| lpotter | I might try putting qtopia on it this weekend | 09:37 |
| * thiago finished downloading the Qt src rpm | 09:37 | |
| thiago | finally | 09:37 |
| thiago | 16 patches in | 09:37 |
| thiago | I'm going to go out in a limb and guess 16 out of 16 were never submitted upstream | 09:38 |
| thiago | ok, the first one proved me wrong. It's arjan's patch from February :-) | 09:39 |
| Zeddy | but you can however run applications on a meego system allready | 09:40 |
| Zeddy | by launching them from the terminal like you usually do | 09:40 |
| thiago | the second one is a webkit patch that was never submitted upstream. I know this because I ended up redeveloping it last week. | 09:40 |
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| thiago | there are apparently some good patches here | 09:44 |
| thiago | I'll wait for them to be submitted upstream | 09:44 |
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| lpotter | hmmm | 09:55 |
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| Stskeeps | bootstrapping work on hardware adaptation for Nokia N8x0: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=590911 | 10:20 |
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| thiago | those are OMAP2, so not officially supported | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | yes, we know | 10:21 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Does this mean you are moving Mer to Meego base? | 10:21 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: mer is dead as such and rest of work is recompilation of fremantle | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: nothing stops a community skunkworks project though :P | 10:22 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Kinda sad | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: on the other hand, we have a lot of experience to make meego great now :P | 10:22 |
| * RST38h kinda started believing that there will really be a community-supported Fremantle for N810 | 10:23 | |
| mece | Is there some chart somewhere on what is included in the current meego release? | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i am having a OBS instance rebuilding things :P | 10:23 |
| RST38h | ...but the things ended up the usual way of course... | 10:23 |
| lbt | woohoo... I got meego working on the N800 last night - the TI 3D drivers work and that gui is *so* smooth... it's almost as good as the N900!!! :) | 10:24 |
| lbt | \o/ | 10:24 |
| mece | lbt, i fuckin hate this day. | 10:25 |
| thiago | so you got a smooth xterm? | 10:25 |
| * RST38h makes lbt eat a calendar page with "April 1" written on it | 10:25 | |
| Zeddy | lol | 10:25 |
| lbt | *nom* | 10:25 |
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| Zeddy | i haven't been fooled yet | 10:26 |
| Zeddy | then again im still s | 10:26 |
| Zeddy | sitting at my computer half dressed | 10:26 |
| mece | Zeddy, you haven't been fooled that you know of... | 10:26 |
| RST38h | Zeddy: Do we really need to know that? =) | 10:26 |
| mece | I sometimes like to irc naked. | 10:26 |
| mece | on freenode. | 10:27 |
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| Zeddy | RST38h, i said half-dressed.. im not naked | 10:27 |
| mece | freedom ftw :D | 10:27 |
| RST38h | Zeddy: Good to know THAT too =) | 10:27 |
| Zeddy | haha :p | 10:27 |
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| Zeddy | What if i was a stunning hot blond young woman. | 10:28 |
| lbt | on #meego? | 10:28 |
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| Zeddy | you never know.. | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | now, you're assuming there's no women in meego, which there obviously is | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:28 |
| lbt | you're thinking of #mer :) | 10:28 |
| * ferringb notes an april fools day prank involving convincing others it wasn't 04/01 would be good. | 10:28 | |
| Stskeeps | actually, i can point out at least one blond woman here | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:28 |
| Zeddy | ok, but point out a hot blonde woman | 10:28 |
| Zeddy | Stskeeps, and the fact that somebody claims to be a woman on IRC doesn't make them a woman. We need visual confirmation | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | that too, but her fiance would kill me | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:29 |
| thiago | it's 01/04 anyway | 10:29 |
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| mece | so anyway. the meego release. Does it have drivers for radios and such for the N900? | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | bt/wlan's in the closed repositories, but fetchasble | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | (firmwares) | 10:31 |
| mece | no 3g/gsm? | 10:31 |
| mece | the phone stuff | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | ofono can handle that now, i think | 10:32 |
| mece | so basically (and inconveniently) you could make phonecalls with meego today? | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | needs work, but talk to the ofono peeps :) | 10:33 |
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| Anssi|| | are qt and gtk in the the n900 image btw? | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | rpm -q -a | 10:35 |
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| lbt | actually, can someone show the releasenotes/changelog for the image? | 10:35 |
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| Anssi|| | i have only a loan n900, i have not installed it | 10:35 |
| lbt | Some of us aren't nuts enough to flash :) | 10:35 |
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| Anssi|| | i am just thinking of it. :) | 10:36 |
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| * PararaPatxin needs help | 10:46 | |
| PararaPatxin | is there anyone alive? | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | ask away | 10:47 |
| PararaPatxin | I've got a Netbook where i had no problem to install Moblin | 10:47 |
| PararaPatxin | today I've downloaded the USB image for meego | 10:48 |
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| PararaPatxin | but after doing the following: | 10:48 |
| PararaPatxin | sudo dd if=Descargas/meego-preview-netbook-core-20100330-001.usbimg of=/dev/sdb1 bs=8M;sync | 10:49 |
| PararaPatxin | when I reboot the netbook it says that the pendrive has no Operating System | 10:49 |
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| PararaPatxin | the output for the dd command was: | 10:52 |
| PararaPatxin | 49+1 registros de entrada | 10:52 |
| PararaPatxin | 49+1 registros de salida | 10:52 |
| PararaPatxin | 411041793 bytes (411 MB) copiados, 719,796 s, 571 kB/s | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | not sure about netbook personally | 10:55 |
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| PararaPatxin | Did someone in this room install meego on a netbook? | 10:56 |
| mece | Anssi||, you could do this: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_chroot_install_on_N900 | 10:58 |
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| PararaPatxin | Sorry mece, but it seems to be just for the N900 smartphone. I need the instructions for a Netbook | 11:02 |
| av500 | it says the netbook release is console only | 11:03 |
| mece | PararaPatxin, yep, I was referring it to Anssi||. I don't have a netbook, and thusly no clue about it's workings | 11:03 |
| mece | all of them are console only | 11:03 |
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| * av500 does not get the point then | 11:04 | |
| thiago | av500: the point of whaT? | 11:05 |
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| av500 | making a "release" | 11:06 |
| Jaffa | av500: Because there's a lot of code under the GUI which defines a system | 11:06 |
| av500 | I know :) | 11:07 |
| thiago | because developers need something to work with | 11:07 |
| thiago | they don't need a GUI | 11:07 |
| thiago | they need a platform | 11:07 |
| thiago | besides, "release early, release often" | 11:07 |
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| megabast | hi | 11:09 |
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| megabast | someone found a link to install usbimg? kind of dd command line? thankx | 11:09 |
| kad | megabast: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | that's not ARM though, that's x86 :P | 11:11 |
| kad | oh | 11:11 |
| kad | sorry | 11:11 |
| megabast | http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation_For_Beginners | 11:11 |
| megabast | :) | 11:11 |
| kad | megabast: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/images/ | 11:12 |
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| lbt | peter robinson? sheesh | 11:37 |
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| slaine | morning all | 12:16 |
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| Stskeeps | morning slaine | 12:21 |
| slaine | seems my download timed out last night | 12:21 |
| slaine | trying again | 12:21 |
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| kebax | preview seems to have the most recent stable kernel | 12:41 |
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| slaine | anyone try out the x86 netbook image ? | 13:08 |
| Jaffa | Anyone tried the x86 images in a VM? | 13:08 |
| slaine | You can't hi-jack my x86 question like that | 13:09 |
| w00t_ | he can, and did! | 13:09 |
| slaine | Nooooooooooooooooooooo | 13:10 |
| * RST38h would really love Meego switching to FreeBSD =) | 13:10 | |
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| slaine | I guess I need to make my own chroot for dev work | 13:14 |
| slaine | don't seem to be able to yum install anything | 13:15 |
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| lbt | slaine: don't work too hard - OBS will fix all the dev/sdk things | 13:34 |
| slaine | lbt, when will I have access to OBS ? | 13:34 |
| lbt | yeah, I know... ask the RWG | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: what problems do you have with my images? | 13:35 |
| slaine | lol | 13:35 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: I can't install gcc | 13:35 |
| lbt | just saying don't do it - just not to put too much effort refining things... | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | yum install gcc says what, slaine? | 13:35 |
| lbt | s/just/not/ | 13:35 |
| infobot | lbt meant: not saying don't do it - just not to put too much effort refining things... | 13:35 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: nothing, it can't resolve the repos | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: check your /etc/resolv.conf | 13:36 |
| slaine | fecking connman | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | in the chroot | 13:36 |
| slaine | I'm running live at the moment | 13:36 |
| slaine | how do I get connman to generate a proper resolve.conf from my dhcp | 13:37 |
| slaine | it's got nameserver 127.0.0.1 | 13:38 |
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| slaine | and options edns0 | 13:38 |
| slaine | I'll try booting with the cable attached | 13:39 |
| thiago | slaine: 127.0.0.1 is correct | 13:42 |
| thiago | connman is a DNS proxy | 13:43 |
| thiago | and cache | 13:43 |
| thiago | so it's the *right* thing, finally | 13:43 |
| slaine | ok | 13:45 |
| slaine | it's working now, weird | 13:46 |
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| slaine | rebooting with the cable in seems to have sorted it for now | 13:47 |
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| koupsa | meego-usb-notebook... i download for 4 hours i put it on usb i boot (live) and i see... a term!!!! | 13:50 |
| slaine | koupsa: congrats | 13:51 |
| koupsa | i test install and see noliveetc... i m stupid? :) | 13:51 |
| koupsa | hi slaine | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | koupsa: no, expected | 13:51 |
| koupsa | so meego is nothing for yet | 13:53 |
| Anssi|| | koupsa, :) | 13:54 |
| Anssi|| | terminal is root of all good things | 13:54 |
| koupsa | whereis firefox? thunderbird? lol | 13:54 |
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| slaine | koupsa: it's not a release yet | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu | 13:56 |
| slaine | it's an os platform for developers | 13:56 |
| koupsa | Anssi|| to late yesterday to test everything. can anybody tell me if 'dev package' is here | 13:56 |
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| slaine | I'm yum installing the installer at the moment, so I can install onto my netbook | 13:57 |
| koupsa | slaine network on meego is ok? or only use in a vm | 13:58 |
| slaine | koupsa: it was after I rebooted with the cable plugged in | 13:58 |
| koupsa | slaine by git ? | 13:58 |
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| slaine | by yum | 13:58 |
| koupsa | arghh i must search a cable in the darkness of my house | 13:58 |
| slaine | yum whatprovides */liveinst | 13:59 |
| slaine | Ah, I see it's the installer package | 13:59 |
| slaine | yum install installer | 13:59 |
| slaine | etc. etc. | 13:59 |
| koupsa | ah? liveinst doesnt work | 13:59 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Interesting | 13:59 |
| w00t_ | slaine: I heard you like installing an installer so I gave you an installer you can install to install with? | 13:59 |
| slaine | Sweet, I love installing | 13:59 |
| slaine | ;) | 13:59 |
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| kebax | I guess nic drivers are not modules | 14:04 |
| kebax | both wired/-less adapters seemed to be operable | 14:05 |
| kebax | but lsmod did not show driver for my devices | 14:05 |
| slaine | nod | 14:06 |
| slaine | compiled in drivers, no initrd, faster kernel | 14:06 |
| slaine | s/, /==/ | 14:06 |
| infobot | slaine meant: compiled in drivers==no initrd, faster kernel | 14:06 |
| slaine | gah | 14:06 |
| slaine | regex fail | 14:06 |
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| Blacktrack | hi all | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | lo Blacktrack | 14:21 |
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| Blacktrack | hiiii what bout new meego??? | 14:24 |
| koupsa | Blacktrack meego is a term... a term with 390M for notebook hahahahaha | 14:25 |
| Blacktrack | no gui??? | 14:26 |
| thiago | yes | 14:26 |
| thiago | X + xterm | 14:26 |
| Blacktrack | my god... onli xterminal | 14:26 |
| slaine | thiago: I couldn't even get that working | 14:27 |
| Anss| | is there fully working qt in meego already? | 14:27 |
| Blacktrack | and... what about a new n900 pr 1.2? | 14:27 |
| thiago | Blacktrack: yeah... waiting for that too | 14:27 |
| slaine | Anss|: no | 14:27 |
| Anss| | ok. | 14:27 |
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| Blacktrack | my god... | 14:28 |
| Anss| | maybe this is just 1. of April jokes. | 14:28 |
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| odin_ | is the Intel Atom ABI going to be 100% compatible with desktop ABIs ? | 14:28 |
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| Stskeeps | i wish http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1hI1BI_Ua8 was a april fools joke | 14:29 |
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| niqt | sktkeeps in http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu i have error | 14:30 |
| odin_ | is there going to be a scratchbox but based on the current/recent version? will sbox be recommended for use, when to build Intel Atom target binaries? | 14:30 |
| Anss| | nice opening shot: "the n900, clueless victim" | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | niqt: we just fixed some things, refresh and try again | 14:30 |
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| Blacktrack | ok meego will be ready i think at the end of this year. its new and its normal... its not normal the maemo pr 1.2... to much wait | 14:31 |
| niqt | i have error: pathspec 'omap3' did not match any file(s) known to git | 14:31 |
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| Stskeeps | niqt: yes, refresh please :) | 14:31 |
| niqt | ok, sorry | 14:31 |
| Blacktrack | hey but tresnt a command line to get a guji on meego??? | 14:32 |
| odin_ | where is the correct place to lodge such questions as above, so that even if an answer is not known by anyone at this time, the various committee's and stakeholders will be looking? | 14:33 |
| maclaver | odin: Intel Atom target binaries are x86, so scratchbox will probably not be needed. | 14:33 |
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| odin_ | maclaver, but to restrict, confirm and verify your dependencies you need to educate SDK users on the correct method to work, unless there the Atom version can also be installed onto a desktop without modification (just an extra bunch of packages) | 14:34 |
| odin_ | will there be a continuous build server/farm that can be used for non-production/non-stable building to test build project (something lacking in maemo) | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | i'm hoping we'll have that | 14:36 |
| Blacktrack | i wanna know if is it possible to install meego on mini sd card and have it like dual boot.. | 14:36 |
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| koupsa | probably yes | 14:37 |
| odin_ | in maemo you had to ask to be maintainer, then declare a new project, then declare yourself maintainer, then fire multiple versions to the build server in the hope it build ok on there, this should not be the case, develop should be able to throw arbitrary payloads at build servers to test they build on the common/shared/community infrastructure, and then fix the problems if they dont | 14:37 |
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| koupsa | a fats way to change keyboard map ? is qwerty | 14:39 |
| odin_ | once the contributer/developer has a version back (from the farm) that builds they can test it, then use this to declare project, become maintainer, as the first version of code to published for other peoples use and then re-fire it at a production build server | 14:39 |
| Blacktrack | i watched the meego video... its too basic with more conf files... nice work.... but it needs cellular firmware wifi too etc | 14:39 |
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| w00t_ | it will advance over the next month or two I would guess | 14:40 |
| Blacktrack | join -meego-meeting-questions | 14:40 |
| odin_ | is that an IRC channel ? | 14:41 |
| Blacktrack | ye | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | odin_: agree, and OBS | 14:41 |
| Blacktrack | with # | 14:41 |
| Blacktrack | ahahha sorry ahhaahah its #meego-meeting-questions | 14:41 |
| koupsa | oops i test just "X" ... that is a mistake | 14:42 |
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| odin_ | what kind of a channel name is that... | 14:42 |
| italodance | SRFU | 14:42 |
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| italodance | STFU | 14:42 |
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| Stskeeps | odin_: raise your issue on meego-dev or -sdk mailign list | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | you're not the only one needing that, so :) | 14:43 |
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| Blacktrack | a channel questions i think. but there's not a life in there | 14:44 |
| odin_ | thats another thing, how do I subscribe to mailing lists with a different email address to my account... I guess I signup twice | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | Blacktrack: that place is for questions while a moderated meeting is on | 14:45 |
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| Blacktrack | ah got it stskeeps :) | 14:45 |
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| maclaver | odin_ that is a different question from how to buld Atom based binaries. If you mean binary product images, then we should use the OBS (details apparently come later). | 14:45 |
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| maclaver | As Stskeeps says, these are good questions for the meego-dev mailing list. | 14:46 |
| odin_ | "OBS" ? thats the 2nd time thats has been used and its a new term to me | 14:46 |
| odin_ | ok well the questions won't go away, I shall remember them, while I try to plug into meego community a little more over this easter break | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | odin_: build.opensuse.org (an instance of the software) | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | maclaver: ronan right? good to see you on here too :) | 14:47 |
| maclaver | Yes, it's Ronan. | 14:47 |
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| koupsa | fuc***** us keyboard! | 14:49 |
| koupsa | i can't remember ex amiga key | 14:50 |
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| koupsa | how to setup an azerty keyboard | 14:51 |
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| koupsa | slaine have you install an x? and what package for install the installer ? | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | koupsa: on the image? | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | (N900 | 14:53 |
| slaine | koupsa: nah, work's gotten in the way. I'll have a look in a while | 14:54 |
| koupsa | yes i just boot on image-netbook and test yum install xfce4 | 14:54 |
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| koupsa | just type "X" doesn't work :) | 14:55 |
| slaine | nod | 14:55 |
| slaine | nore did startx | 14:55 |
| koupsa | no X ? lol mutt and lynx ! :) | 14:57 |
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| fonix232 | hi there | 15:01 |
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| Stskeeps | lo | 15:02 |
| fonix232 | could you help me? I would like to run the MeeGo emulator if there's one, but the wiki contains no info about installation. And I don't have an N900 if it do | 15:02 |
| fonix232 | * if it counts | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | well, not sure we have one :P | 15:03 |
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| fonix232 | and what about the SDK? | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | we don't really have a sdk yet | 15:04 |
| koupsa | fu.... i see a mouse on meego.. and pffft disappearance | 15:04 |
| koupsa | next time may be a window | 15:05 |
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| Stskeeps | fonix232: so, what level are you interested in? system development or app development? | 15:05 |
| fonix232 | Currently I just want to see what MeeGo is capable. And after it maybe system developement | 15:06 |
| megabast | I've found on meego website a page which explains how to create a gtk window and insert an active icon on toolbar.. I've lost the url, someone could send it ? | 15:06 |
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| Stskeeps | fonix232: right, on the ARM side? | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | fonix232: at the moment only thing you'll see is a x terminal | 15:07 |
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| megabast | it's ok I have it : http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Netbook_and_GTK | 15:07 |
| fonix232 | yes, ARM side. I don't have a netbook (at least an Atom based one) and I plan to get an N900 somehow | 15:07 |
| koupsa | have you an error like me on 'yum install xorg-x11-server' ?* | 15:08 |
| koupsa | slaine, maybe ? | 15:08 |
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| slaine | koupsa: like I said, I'm not looking at it now, I'll check it out later | 15:08 |
| koupsa | woups sorry | 15:09 |
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| slaine | np | 15:11 |
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| fonix232 | so, any idea? | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | fonix232: i'd wait a couple of days, qemu with n900 and meego support just came out a couple of hours ago | 15:14 |
| fonix232 | oh | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | it should be feasible to boot a beagleboard image same way | 15:14 |
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| lbt | anyone got Meego on a virtualbox machine? | 15:26 |
| slaine | lbt, having problems ? | 15:28 |
| slaine | I could give it a shot later | 15:28 |
| lbt | not even tried.... | 15:29 |
| lbt | wanted to stand on the shoulders of giants :) | 15:29 |
| slaine | but with no way of installing from the live image, you'd have some issues | 15:29 |
| slaine | namely, running from the usb image solely | 15:29 |
| lbt | getting a prompt would be a start | 15:29 |
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| slaine | I'll try and give it a shot now while I get some lunch sorted | 15:30 |
| lbt | it'd be nice to see some cut'n'paste level HOWTOs on the wiki | 15:30 |
| lbt | sounds good... | 15:30 |
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| CosmoHill | can't you change the .img to .iso and run it that way? | 15:33 |
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| koupsa | ifconfig | 15:36 |
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| CosmoHill | http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?p=470600#post470600 | 15:40 |
| CosmoHill | dammit | 15:40 |
| CosmoHill | guest@xkcd:/$ cat | 15:40 |
| CosmoHill | You're a kitty! | 15:40 |
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| drizztbsd | lol | 15:43 |
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| slaine | lbt: kernel panics unfortunately | 15:44 |
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| CosmoHill | slaine: hmm | 16:00 |
| CosmoHill | i have an Idea | 16:01 |
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| koupsa | what is .ks file ? kickstarter.py ... ? | 16:03 |
| lbt | yes kickstart | 16:03 |
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| lbt | used by MIC2 | 16:03 |
| koupsa | it s for ? | 16:03 |
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| koupsa | ok | 16:03 |
| koupsa | thx | 16:04 |
| lbt | the Meego Image creator | 16:04 |
| slaine | surely they could drop the 2 now | 16:04 |
| koupsa | same as moblin ? | 16:04 |
| slaine | koupsa: one and the same | 16:04 |
| slaine | formerly MoblinImageCreator, MoblinImageCreator2, could go back to mic now as MeegoImageCreator | 16:05 |
| CosmoHill | slaine: does the computer you are using virtual box on run meego natively? | 16:05 |
| slaine | not likely, it's an iMac | 16:05 |
| CosmoHill | that should work I think as they have SSSE3 | 16:06 |
| koupsa | slaine, lbt, you are an encyplopedia | 16:06 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: possibly | 16:06 |
| slaine | I'm not shutting down to try though | 16:06 |
| CosmoHill | I'll install virtual box on my laptop and try that | 16:06 |
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| CosmoHill | kernels are statically linked right? | 16:07 |
| lbt | heh | 16:07 |
| lbt | yes | 16:07 |
| CosmoHill | good | 16:08 |
| koupsa | CosmoHill, i tested vbox . he doesn't work.. or i need an another try | 16:08 |
| lbt | that kinda makes no sense if you think about it | 16:08 |
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| CosmoHill | are using trying meego or mobin? | 16:09 |
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| slaine | wtf is mobin | 16:10 |
| CosmoHill | i think i missed an L | 16:10 |
| slaine | and a 2 | 16:10 |
| slaine | ;P | 16:10 |
| Bun | meegol? | 16:10 |
| tekojo | slaine I'm trying to build the moblin 2.1 wlan drivers and am getting an error about 'user glen does not exist - using root' | 16:12 |
| CosmoHill | what image are you guys trying? | 16:12 |
| slaine | tekojo: that's fine, they're really just warnings | 16:12 |
| tekojo | but then I get a bad exit status :( | 16:12 |
| slaine | that means something else is wrong | 16:12 |
| slaine | can you pastebin the output ? | 16:12 |
| tekojo | Should I be running as root or normal user? | 16:12 |
| slaine | normal user | 16:13 |
| slaine | tekojo: been to my page lately ? there's a repo | 16:13 |
| tekojo | With built rpms? | 16:13 |
| tekojo | I'll head over there, Thanks! | 16:14 |
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| koupsa | well... meego is a term and now moblin2.1bug "id: x respawn too fast: disabled for 5 minutes ... | 16:17 |
| * tekojo notices that it's late and should have been at home by now... | 16:17 | |
| koupsa | meego have a nice screen boot... i say that, i say nothing | 16:19 |
| slaine | koupsa: please, stop complaining | 16:19 |
| CosmoHill | slaine: what image are you trying? | 16:19 |
| slaine | the project is only a few hours old as far as public code is concerned | 16:19 |
| CosmoHill | meego-preview-netbook-core-20100330-001.usbimg ? | 16:19 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: yes | 16:19 |
| CosmoHill | good | 16:19 |
| CosmoHill | now I just need to download it | 16:20 |
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| slaine | You need to convert it to a .vdi so that you can boot it | 16:21 |
| koupsa | slaine, i have no pb with meego i like this project really. i ma disapointed because is today that moblin is going to bug. and i like moblin to | 16:21 |
| CosmoHill | okay | 16:21 |
| CosmoHill | wait, convert? | 16:21 |
| CosmoHill | I was just gonna rename it to .iso | 16:21 |
| slaine | VBoxManage convertdd <path/to/.usbimg> <path/to/.vdi> | 16:21 |
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| slaine | Does that work ? | 16:21 |
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| CosmoHill | duno, I'm on windows and I've not downloaded it yet | 16:22 |
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| slaine | ew, windoes | 16:22 |
| CosmoHill | meh | 16:22 |
| CosmoHill | say what you like, it's required | 16:23 |
| slaine | required for what, college ? | 16:23 |
| CosmoHill | uni | 16:23 |
| slaine | bummer | 16:23 |
| CosmoHill | best laptop I have and i only really use it on fridays | 16:23 |
| CosmoHill | it's not bad | 16:24 |
| slaine | I end up punching screens when I have to use it | 16:24 |
| CosmoHill | £100 for a C2D 2.0Ghz, 4GB DDR2, 250GB HDD, 15" and Win 7 pro | 16:24 |
| slaine | nice price | 16:24 |
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| slaine | Win7 ain't have bad actually | 16:24 |
| CosmoHill | £50 for the hdd and £50 for the power adapter | 16:24 |
| CosmoHill | win7 is free :D | 16:24 |
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| CosmoHill | to me anyway | 16:25 |
| slaine | I'm usually asked to fix someones fucked up xp box | 16:25 |
| CosmoHill | I've gone from XP to 7 :) | 16:25 |
| CosmoHill | atm it has win7, clfs, lfs and moblin | 16:26 |
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| RST38h | Why do you need so many? | 16:26 |
| CosmoHill | while it's the best computer I own i don't use it to much | 16:27 |
| CosmoHill | clfs and lfs are compiled by hand | 16:27 |
| CosmoHill | so the faster the computer the better | 16:27 |
| CosmoHill | moblin was just cos I was interested in meego | 16:28 |
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| slaine | lfs is a good way to learn about a linux install and how it's constructed | 16:32 |
| slaine | but beyond that I couldn't see myself using it for anything. I've got a life to live ;) | 16:32 |
| CosmoHill | I don't use it | 16:33 |
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| CosmoHill | one of the dev's asked if I'd built it yet | 16:33 |
| CosmoHill | bollocks, my tea :( | 16:35 |
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| * CosmoHill pours his tea down the sink and starts a new one | 16:37 | |
| slaine | hate that | 16:37 |
| CosmoHill | in one min I'll go down and get it | 16:38 |
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| CosmoHill | btw, can I put my virtualbox image online for others to download and run on their PC | 16:38 |
| slaine | if you get it working, that'd be handy alright | 16:38 |
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| CosmoHill | mmm, 60MB/s | 16:48 |
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| CosmoHill | slaine: so i need to convert the usbimg image to a .vdi to boot it? | 16:53 |
| uhsf | so, what are the first impressions about meego on the n900? | 16:53 |
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| marshel | hello all | 16:55 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: I believe so | 16:55 |
| slaine | that's what I did as I couldn't get it to boot off the usbimg file | 16:55 |
| CosmoHill | now how do I do that on windows >.< | 16:55 |
| slaine | You should have the commandline tools installed too | 16:55 |
| slaine | not sure they're in your path though | 16:55 |
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| marshel | hello, i dont have a netbook but a notebook with celeron 900 processor. would meego run on my nb? | 16:58 |
| CosmoHill | slaine: found it | 16:58 |
| slaine | marshel: not at the moment | 16:58 |
| marshel | it would be possible on nokia´s n800 neither? | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | that might be more possible.. | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:59 |
| marshel | hi Stskeeps | 16:59 |
| slaine | there'll likely be community efforts to provide builds for the n8x0 and for non-ssse3 x86 | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | marshel: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48929&highlight=hardware+adaptation | 17:00 |
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| marshel | nice | 17:00 |
| marshel | yet i aknwdg that the os is in early stage yet | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:01 |
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| CosmoHill | slaine: did you get to "kernel_thread_helper"? | 17:01 |
| slaine | not sure | 17:03 |
| slaine | stack trace obscured the view | 17:03 |
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| slaine | mostly acpi related iirc | 17:03 |
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| CosmoHill | well I have an old livecd that works with Vbox only | 17:07 |
| CosmoHill | that was made on one machine and works on another :) | 17:07 |
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| Votan | " ... since the MeeGo User Experiences for the usage models are not yet included in today's MeeGo core" = no GUI include din the Image ? | 17:10 |
| Votan | or jsut not started by default ? | 17:10 |
| wile_work | what's the login? | 17:10 |
| kebax | meego | 17:11 |
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| wile_work | ahh | 17:11 |
| wile_work | the obvious trips me up every time | 17:11 |
| wile_work | :/ | 17:12 |
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| milliams | Votan: I belive there's no GUI | 17:12 |
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| wile_work | i get splash screens when it boots....and when it shuts down | 17:13 |
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| CosmoHill | ffs | 17:26 |
| CosmoHill | all I need is squashfs | 17:27 |
| * w00t_ /2 | 17:28 | |
| w00t_ | er. | 17:28 |
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| Termana | What percentage is it when you have w00t_ over 2? | 17:34 |
| Termana | :P | 17:34 |
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| * w00t_ was trying to go to window #2 | 17:35 | |
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| CosmoHill | i finally have squashfs | 17:38 |
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| CosmoHill | ffs | 17:42 |
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| pagesix1536 | so...are there any screenshots or videos of Meego in action yet on a N900 or Atom device? | 17:43 |
| CosmoHill | probably not | 17:43 |
| thiago | on N900, yes | 17:43 |
| thiago | but I don't know how "wowed" you'll be by seeing an xterm | 17:43 |
| lbt | a very small xterm at that | 17:44 |
| thiago | under twm | 17:44 |
| RST38h | wow xterm loooool | 17:44 |
| RST38h | twm rulez haxxorz | 17:45 |
| CosmoHill | son of a whore | 17:45 |
| * CosmoHill stabs his VM | 17:45 | |
| RST38h | BTW, I see no twm at a photo | 17:45 |
| RST38h | looks like X11 is there but no wm | 17:46 |
| lcuk | RST38h, mmm so if an app just expected a fullscreen x11 window it could work | 17:46 |
| CosmoHill | why can't I just unpack the squashfs :( | 17:46 |
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| b0unc3 | hello, where I can get the meego rootfs mentioned here : http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_chroot_install_on_N900 ? | 17:53 |
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| CosmoHill | wow | 17:53 |
| CosmoHill | I'm getting 10MB/s from the meego server :) | 17:53 |
| CosmoHill | 100%[======================================>] 411,041,793 7.61M/s in 52s | 17:54 |
| CosmoHill | :D | 17:54 |
| pagesix1536 | impressive indeed! | 17:54 |
| CosmoHill | however i can't mount it :( | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | b0unc3: on the repo | 17:55 |
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| b0unc3 | Stskeeps, uhm ok, so presumably here : http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/n900/images/ ? is meego-codedrop-arm-n900-201003311626.tar.gz the rootfs ? | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | right | 17:58 |
| b0unc3 | Stskeeps, I downloaded it twice but always I get a corrupted .tar | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | b0unc3: wget it please | 17:59 |
| b0unc3 | I only use wget ;) | 17:59 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 17:59 |
| b0unc3 | tar: invalid tar magic <-- this is what I get | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | oh right | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | use gnu tar on maemo | 18:00 |
| b0unc3 | oh right! I forgot about it | 18:00 |
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| b0unc3 | with the gnu-tar everything works fine, thx Stskeeps | 18:06 |
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| CosmoHill | how do I unsquash a squash.img? | 18:06 |
| CosmoHill | I use: sudo unsquashfs squashfs.img mount | 18:07 |
| CosmoHill | and it fails | 18:07 |
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| kebax | meego is not in sudoers | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | su | 18:09 |
| kebax | okay | 18:09 |
| CosmoHill | I'm trying to get into squash.img to change the kernel | 18:10 |
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| CosmoHill | oh you're shitting me | 18:17 |
| CosmoHill | I've spent all that fucking time getting squashfs 4.0 working and it just has a ext3 image inside it | 18:18 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | guys! congrats on the code drop! :) | 18:20 |
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| CosmoHill | on the plus side, my server now supports squashfs 4.0 | 18:21 |
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| slaine | CosmoHill: checkout my buddy pixelbeats lomount.sh script. It should loopback mount the partition in the image | 18:24 |
| slaine | http://www.pixelbeat.org/scripts/lomount.sh | 18:24 |
| CosmoHill | the problem was the things I were trying didn't support squashfs | 18:24 |
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| slaine | does the usbimg have squashfs on there ? | 18:25 |
| CosmoHill | I'm now going to compile a kernel for virtual box, put that into the thing and boot that | 18:25 |
| slaine | k | 18:25 |
| CosmoHill | sorta | 18:25 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | when in doubt look in the packagel ist | 18:25 |
| CosmoHill | I turned usbimg into a vdi, access that via a livecd and got squash.img | 18:25 |
| CosmoHill | copied that to my server, mounted that and the ext3fs.img that was inside it | 18:26 |
| CosmoHill | this now gives me the meego root | 18:26 |
| CosmoHill | I'm downloading linux 2.6.33.1 to compile on virtual box | 18:26 |
| CosmoHill | laptop - power = bad | 18:28 |
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| CosmoHill | what's the default FS for meego | 18:38 |
| tripzero | btrfs? | 18:38 |
| tripzero | idk for sure though | 18:38 |
| CosmoHill | I'll enable a few | 18:39 |
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| koupsa | CosmoHill ext3 | 18:39 |
| CosmoHill | thanks | 18:40 |
| koupsa | can anybody test 'yum install xorg-x11-server' | 18:42 |
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| lcuk | question: since ds has a random shaky version of linux around - is it feasible to consider porting meego to it | 18:44 |
| lcuk | nintendo ds ^ | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | no mmu, no dice | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:44 |
| lcuk | so you need an mmu to run xterm now :p | 18:45 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 laughs | 18:45 | |
| lcuk | this arm base that just turned up doesnt need it does it? | 18:45 |
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| suihkulokki | lcuk: x11 on uclinux since when? | 18:47 |
| lcuk | suihkulokki, i dunno, i just saw someone make linux work on ds and wondered | 18:48 |
| lcuk | if its not feasible ill put it out of mind | 18:48 |
| lcuk | especially with the large screen version | 18:48 |
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| slaine | ok, making a development image using mic-image-creator | 18:53 |
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| Stskeeps | the .ks i have attached? | 18:54 |
| kebax | iwconfig wlan0 essid APNAME does not work beforeI say ifconfig wlan0 down | 18:54 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: you can also use the meego image creator tools to convert from one format to another, including a VMDK, which I think VBox understands | 18:54 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: Modified with @Development Tools | 18:55 |
| kebax | after that works until I configure with ifconfig again | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: k | 18:55 |
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| CosmoHill | I saw meego had something about creating a virtual box inage | 18:55 |
| CosmoHill | image* | 18:56 |
| CosmoHill | *moblin | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | jesus, the joggler is at 49 pound now? | 18:56 |
| CosmoHill | ? | 18:56 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: He gets nailed up tomorrow | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | ok, no | 18:57 |
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| Stskeeps | just realized what day it was today :P | 18:57 |
| slaine | Nail'em up I say | 18:58 |
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| Stskeeps | well, 49 pound for a hackable poulsbo device with 512mb ram and atom processor.. | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:59 |
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| slaine | poulsbo, ugh | 18:59 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: isn't that including a contract ? | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | nothing technicall stops us from using a different xserver does it? | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: no, without | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 18:59 |
| slaine | cool | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | saw the ubuntu remix vids? | 18:59 |
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| Stskeeps | it's a pretty good value at 49 pound :P | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1ZV7aD2Wak | 19:02 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | where the hell can I get one in the US? | 19:03 |
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| Stskeeps | no idea, they sell them with UK plug in uk for 49 pound :P | 19:03 |
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| keith_ | I have a question | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: what really stops people from compiling xserver 1.6 for meego btw? | 19:04 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: it's scarey | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | a couple of handy --excludepkgs.. | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:05 |
| keith_ | when I try to boot from my thumb drive it goes to a localhost login | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | keith_: that's the intent, afaik | 19:05 |
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| CosmoHill | there is no GUI | 19:05 |
| keith_ | I see | 19:05 |
| CosmoHill | or in my case, meego :( | 19:06 |
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| keith_ | I was hoping it would be able to run the way moblin did | 19:07 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | noooo faiiiir :( | 19:08 |
| keith_ | I really liked moblin and was looking forward to trying Meego | 19:08 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | keith_: dude, just chill a bit... it's coming | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | keith_: i will, in time, but development went open now | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | it | 19:09 |
| keith_ | ok thanks | 19:09 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | keith_: this is merely the first drop of code into open development | 19:09 |
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| keith_ | I'll go back to my Commodore 64 | 19:09 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | think of it this way, you get to see an operating system | 19:09 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | built from the ground up. | 19:09 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and be able to participate in its development. | 19:10 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: last moblin supporting poulsbo was 2.0? | 19:10 |
| slaine | 2.1 | 19:10 |
| slaine | with the IVI release | 19:11 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | does anyone know where I could get my hands on some moorestown development hardware? | 19:11 |
| keith_ | what about the broadcom wireless issue that exsisted with Moblin, will that be resolved? | 19:11 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: http://moblin.org/projects/2.1-ivi-project-releases | 19:11 |
| slaine | keith_: If I have anything to do with it, yes :) | 19:11 |
| keith_ | sweet | 19:12 |
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| slaine | keith_: in the mean time, if you're using moblin 2.1, you can use my repo's for the broadcom stuff | 19:12 |
| keith_ | I got the wireless on my mini 9 to work by switching to an intel card but I really don't want to do any hardware swapping | 19:12 |
| slaine | pity you didn't follow my howtow | 19:13 |
| slaine | I've a mini9 | 19:13 |
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| * microlith goes to load meego on his aspire one | 19:13 | |
| keith_ | slaine I tried your howto but there was some issue that kept it from working for me | 19:13 |
| slaine | bummer | 19:14 |
| slaine | I'm on IRC most days | 19:14 |
| keith_ | the wifi card swap worked much easier | 19:14 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | is it simply not possible for non-first-tier vendors to get their hands on moorestown dev hardware? | 19:16 |
| keith_ | the image file in the repository is named ".usbimg" I had to rename it to ".img" | 19:16 |
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| keith_ | thanks for the info folks! | 19:22 |
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| kanibalv | Can anybody answer me, what will happend with all those .deb application written for Maemo???? | 19:25 |
| drizztbsd | kanibalv: adios | 19:25 |
| kanibalv | nooo!!!! | 19:25 |
| thiago | the OBS infrastructure replaces all of them | 19:25 |
| kanibalv | OBS???? | 19:26 |
| thiago | OpenSUSE Build Service | 19:26 |
| kanibalv | that just stupid!!!!! | 19:26 |
| thiago | orno | 19:26 |
| thiago | or not | 19:26 |
| kanibalv | years in the trash | 19:26 |
| evilrob | .deb is just a packaging method. | 19:26 |
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| evilrob | they can be repackaged | 19:26 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 just shakes his head | 19:27 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | IT'S JUST A PACKAGE FORMAT! | 19:27 |
| kanibalv | yes, by whom? | 19:27 |
| kanibalv | not me! | 19:27 |
| thiago | the internal Maemo infrastructure for .deb was a big hack anyway | 19:27 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | kanibalv: you are getting all whacked out of shape over nothing. | 19:27 |
| kanibalv | why? | 19:27 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | there are bigger issues to solve | 19:27 |
| thiago | we're talking about the infrastructure, not the packaged applications. | 19:27 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | than, gee, what archive format and metadata is going to be used | 19:27 |
| thiago | the packaged applications just need to be repackaged. | 19:27 |
| MiXu- | TSCHAKeee2: Amen. I don't understand the whole fuss about rpm vs deb | 19:28 |
| kanibalv | repackaged by whom? | 19:28 |
| CosmoHill | compiling a kernel for virtual box shouldn't be so hard | 19:28 |
| evilrob | I'd expect the package maintainers will repackage them | 19:28 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | MiXu-: I started with linux before there was a standardized distribution, and have used all the different "package" formats... they all do the same thing... they all make the same patterns of mistakes in different variations... it really...does not...matter.... | 19:29 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :) | 19:29 |
| kanibalv | evilrob, that's so not going to happend!! | 19:29 |
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| evilrob | kanibalv: then sell your phone and quit whining, or get off your ass and writ ethe repackager | 19:29 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | kanibalv: thank you for being so rational | 19:29 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | really | 19:29 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | we need more people like yo...wait..no we don't. | 19:29 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :) | 19:29 |
| kanibalv | evilrob, don't be stupid | 19:30 |
| Jaffa | Yay! MeeGo booting in qemu on Windows :-) | 19:30 |
| evilrob | I have an rpm based box on the left side of my desk and a .deb based box on the right side. | 19:30 |
| MiXu- | TSCHAKeee2: I'm a deb guy, but it's like any other thing. It'll take you maybe a couple of hours to learn and that's it. | 19:30 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | kanibalv: this is a meritocracy | 19:30 |
| kanibalv | I just for all applications that are already there | 19:30 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | kanibalv: if you see a problem, fix it. don't whine. | 19:30 |
| evilrob | I routinely install .deb's on the rpm-based one, and rpms on the .deb based one | 19:30 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | remember, that all of the stuff in the maemo repositories gets built by a builder | 19:31 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | what does that tell you? | 19:31 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | come on... | 19:31 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | you can do it... | 19:31 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | put two and two together... | 19:31 |
| kanibalv | like with alien evilrob?? | 19:31 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | i can...almost see...the lightbulb come on, you can do it kanibalv.... | 19:31 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :) | 19:31 |
| evilrob | http://www.google.com/search?q=convert+deb+rpm | 19:31 |
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| evilrob | yes. like with alien | 19:31 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | kanibalv: so really, just chill. | 19:32 |
| kanibalv | it's just sad for all those applications | 19:32 |
| thiago | no it's not | 19:32 |
| thiago | they just need to be repackaged | 19:32 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 watches the point fly completely over kanibalv's head | 19:32 | |
| evilrob | if a package maintainer wants their package used going forward, they can produce both formants | 19:32 |
| kanibalv | all that work needs to be rebuild | 19:32 |
| kanibalv | repackaged | 19:32 |
| thiago | yes | 19:32 |
| thiago | which isn't hard | 19:32 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | it's not hard in the slightest | 19:32 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and with build servers, that can be automated | 19:33 |
| thiago | much better build servers, I might add | 19:33 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | this is merely a logistical problem | 19:33 |
| kanibalv | ok | 19:33 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | not a technical one in the least. | 19:33 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 hands kanibalv a happy pill. | 19:33 | |
| kanibalv | thanks | 19:33 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | trust me, meego has bigger issues | 19:34 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | much bigger ones | 19:34 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | this one's easy. | 19:34 |
| kanibalv | itś just because a plataform is bigger and good by their applications | 19:35 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | o_O | 19:36 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | *Scratch-head* | 19:36 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | i thought we were all on the same side | 19:36 |
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| kanibalv | and a good plataform with no applications is nothing | 19:36 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | hm | 19:36 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | silly me | 19:36 |
| * thiago decides not to go into this discussion *again* | 19:36 | |
| thiago | the decision is made. | 19:36 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | mhmm | 19:36 |
| thiago | we don't need to discuss DEB vs RPM every week. | 19:36 |
| kanibalv | thiago ok | 19:36 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | thiago: maybe a canned-bot would help here | 19:37 |
| * thiago points to infobot | 19:37 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | thiago: that scans for the words WHY RPM and DEB | 19:37 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | :P | 19:37 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | oh ok | 19:37 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :) | 19:37 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 laughs | 19:37 | |
| kanibalv | is not the package format I'm talking about is for applications availability | 19:37 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ... | 19:37 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | it's linux | 19:38 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 looks | 19:38 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | lots of apps for linux last time i looked | 19:38 |
| thiago | if an application is needed, package it, done. | 19:38 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | almost two decades worth | 19:38 |
| kanibalv | ok, thanks | 19:38 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 does his Harvey Keitel in Reservoir Dogs impression, "IT'S GONNA BE OKAAAAAY!!!" | 19:39 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ;) | 19:39 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | (yes, I am a smartass) ;) | 19:40 |
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| CosmoHill | cosmo@meander:~/linux-2.6.33.1$ time (make -j15 ARCH=i386; ) | 19:41 |
| CosmoHill | :) | 19:41 |
| tripzero | j15 eh? | 19:42 |
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| tripzero | how many cores you got hiding in that beast CosmoHill | 19:42 |
| CosmoHill | 8 | 19:42 |
| tripzero | wouldn't make -j9 be faster? | 19:42 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | heheheh | 19:42 |
| * thiago uses -j60 | 19:42 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | i'm jealous | 19:42 |
| CosmoHill | thiago: :o | 19:42 |
| tripzero | thiago, compile farm? | 19:42 |
| tripzero | icecc ftw | 19:42 |
| thiago | yes | 19:43 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | i've not used icecc | 19:43 |
| evilrob | jsut use "-j" it will fire off as many is the makefile will allow | 19:43 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | is that like distcc? | 19:43 |
| thiago | but not icecream | 19:43 |
| thiago | TSCHAKeee2: better, since it has a scheduler | 19:43 |
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| evilrob | might wedge your box, but what's the fun in that if you don't try :) | 19:43 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | thiago: oh nice, that was something i wanted out of distcc :D | 19:43 |
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| * thiago wonders why | 19:44 | |
| thiago | icecream has existed for at least 6 years | 19:44 |
| CosmoHill | real 2m2.577s | 19:44 |
| tripzero | chocolate icecream is a bit newer | 19:44 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | thiago: because, I work on a large project (LinuxMCE) as one of the core devs.. we did use distcc for a while, but ran into weird little problems. | 19:44 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | (which really, had more to do with the bizarre setups of my own than anything else... no fault but my own.) :) | 19:45 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | I am currently investigating moving the entire LinuxMCE stack (DCE) and reengineering our Orbiter distributed UI using Clutter, putting it all atop MeeGo as a "House UX" | 19:46 |
| tripzero | thiago, i imagine you do a lot of compiling qt? | 19:46 |
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| thiago | tripzero: yes | 19:46 |
| tripzero | in that case -j60 would be very nice to have :) | 19:47 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | I have to churn through a little over a million lines of code, regularly in our own code base. | 19:47 |
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| nhamoudi | Hello - does anyone know when source code for layers on top of middleware layer will be available? Looking for example for the telephony stack | 19:48 |
| thiago | nhamoudi: ofono is already available | 19:49 |
| thiago | but that's still at the middleware layer | 19:49 |
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| * CosmoHill twitches | 19:52 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | people REAAAALLLY wanna get meego running on their n900's huh? | 19:52 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ;) | 19:52 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 is also an n900 user. | 19:52 | |
| CosmoHill | meego is just fucking with me | 19:52 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | this is what happens when you give the kids a funny name | 19:53 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :P | 19:53 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: what's the problem with the installer ? | 19:54 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | they develop small emotional mismatches that develop into full blown adult neuroses | 19:54 |
| slaine | as in, why was is removed from the kickstart file | 19:54 |
| CosmoHill | i tell my server to mount things as rw and it does ro | 19:54 |
| nhamoudi | I'm pretty sure that ofono is not the stack that is running on N900 - it is not yet mature enough. | 19:55 |
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| thiago | the N900 doesn't run ofono | 19:56 |
| thiago | MeeGo does | 19:56 |
| slaine | it's installed by default to my knowledge, but they have got it working on the n900 | 19:56 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ofono still needs loooooooooooooooooooooooots of work | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: hmm? | 19:56 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and i have a feeling it may need some little binary blobs for the gsm parts before it's all over | 19:56 |
| tripzero | TSCHAKeee2, rely? i thought it was getting pretty close? | 19:57 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | tripzero: has it matured in the last couple of months? | 19:57 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | I need to check again | 19:57 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | i am very interested in it. | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: in the developer images it's meant to be as close to OBS packages, it isn't the old 'developer tools' ones | 19:57 |
| nhamoudi | there are already images for N900 w/ Meego (http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/n900/images/) so are you saying that Ofono is part of this meego...? | 19:57 |
| tripzero | ofono is part of meego | 19:57 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | nhamoudi: dude, if you're asking this question | 19:57 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | nhamoudi: it is too early for you to participate. | 19:58 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | nhamoudi: there isn't much more than the base system and X running on the n900 images. | 19:58 |
| red | I have a error about missing dependencies, libqtcore for one | 19:58 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: I don't follow ? | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: installer problem? | 19:58 |
| red | trying to use apt-get -f to fix them doesnt do anything | 19:58 |
| * Stskeeps is missing context | 19:58 | |
| red | oops, was supposed to talk in #maemo :) | 19:59 |
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| milliams | red: Careful with that "apt-get" talk in here :) | 19:59 |
| nhamoudi | TSCHAkee2: thanks | 19:59 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: it seems it's got failed deps | 20:01 |
| slaine | installer pulls in system-config-date which pulls in gnome-python-canvas which ain't there | 20:02 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: not involved with that sorry | 20:02 |
| CosmoHill | i got something to compress it | 20:02 |
| slaine | careful kid, you could go blind | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: report as bug i guess | 20:03 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: yup | 20:05 |
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| rascal | hi all! | 20:07 |
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| CosmoHill | rawr! | 20:07 |
| rascal | i m running meego on my netbook but i don t remember login localhost and password..... could u help me please. it s in the first boot step on "live usb" | 20:08 |
| CosmoHill | try "root" as the username | 20:08 |
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| red | milliams: yes I was talking on wrong channel :) | 20:09 |
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| red | keybind for meego/maemo next to eachother | 20:10 |
| rascal | ok first step root and next? password? | 20:10 |
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| thiago | meego | 20:10 |
| rascal | ok login root and pass meego | 20:11 |
| rascal | next , i have no gfx interface | 20:11 |
| thiago | start X now | 20:12 |
| rascal | how to start the desktop please? start X dont work ..... :( | 20:13 |
| CosmoHill | startx | 20:13 |
| thiago | what desktop? | 20:13 |
| thiago | you can start X | 20:13 |
| thiago | you can even run xterm inside it | 20:13 |
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| rascal | xterm , no | 20:14 |
| rascal | command not found | 20:14 |
| rascal | strange ? | 20:15 |
| CosmoHill | thiago: do you know what controls the boot loader? | 20:15 |
| thiago | no | 20:15 |
| CosmoHill | kk | 20:15 |
| rascal | well | 20:16 |
| rascal | :( | 20:16 |
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| slaine | CosmoHill: what do you mean ? | 20:16 |
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| CosmoHill | like menu.lst for grub | 20:16 |
| CosmoHill | -.- | 20:16 |
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| * CosmoHill grabs slaine so he stays in the channel | 20:17 | |
| CosmoHill | like menu.lst for grub | 20:17 |
| slaine | sorry | 20:17 |
| slaine | cmd+w in the wrong app | 20:17 |
| rascal | i try meego on live usb but i cant start gfx interface..... | 20:17 |
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| rascal | need command | 20:17 |
| thiago | rascal: there is no GUI | 20:17 |
| thiago | there's X | 20:17 |
| thiago | that's all | 20:17 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: the liveusb is using sysconfig | 20:17 |
| CosmoHill | try "startx" | 20:17 |
| slaine | so there should be a syslinux.cfg file | 20:18 |
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| rascal | no gui ..... oh that explain my problem | 20:18 |
| slaine | sorry, I said sysconfig above, meant syslinux | 20:18 |
| slaine | force of habit | 20:18 |
| NishanthMenon | thiago, same "startx" on n900? all i see is http://www.myimagespace.com/public/view/3248 | 20:20 |
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| rascal | many thanks , bye bye all !!!! ;) | 20:21 |
| CosmoHill | bye | 20:21 |
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| NishanthMenon | no startx either | 20:21 |
| slaine | I couldn't get X to start | 20:21 |
| slaine | on x86 | 20:21 |
| koupsa | can anybody test 'yum install xorg-x11-server' | 20:21 |
| thiago | NishanthMenon: yes, that's what you get | 20:21 |
| abhijeet | hi gues... | 20:21 |
| slaine | koupsa: what happens when you run it | 20:21 |
| thiago | NishanthMenon: X is already running. You're on an xterm. | 20:21 |
| abhijeet | i want to learn programming in meego.. can anyone help to get set go | 20:22 |
| NishanthMenon | thiago, thx.. i had expected GUI :D | 20:22 |
| koupsa | dependance fails | 20:22 |
| thiago | NishanthMenon: there isn't one yet. | 20:22 |
| thiago | NishanthMenon: feel free to write one. | 20:22 |
| thiago | or use an existing one. | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: intel side doesn't boot into x afaik | 20:22 |
| slaine | abinader: http://meego.com/developers/getting-started | 20:22 |
| NishanthMenon | thiago, ;) i miss hildon-desktop :) | 20:22 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: no, it doesn't, but starting X kills it | 20:22 |
| thiago | there's no Hildon in MeeGo | 20:22 |
| abinader | slaine: ? | 20:22 |
| * NishanthMenon has much to relearn :) | 20:23 | |
| abinader | slaine: i think it's for abhijeet :D | 20:23 |
| slaine | oops, sorry | 20:23 |
| slaine | abhijeet: http://meego.com/developers/getting-started | 20:23 |
| abhijeet | slaine: ok | 20:23 |
| slaine | abinader: sorry | 20:23 |
| slaine | tab completion fail | 20:23 |
| abhijeet | guys do you think meego is going to survive in the competition with android. | 20:23 |
| * CosmoHill creates a squashfs img | 20:23 | |
| abinader | slaine: no prob :D | 20:24 |
| thiago | abhijeet: the objective is to kill android. | 20:24 |
| thiago | and the rest of the commpetition :-) | 20:24 |
| abhijeet | thiago: :) | 20:24 |
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| slaine | abhijeet: you're really asking the wrong people | 20:24 |
| abhijeet | slaine: just an opinion. | 20:24 |
| slaine | I personally think meego is doomed to failure, that's why I'm spending all my time here participating :P | 20:25 |
| CosmoHill | http://stats.bluesquarelinux.co.uk/index.php?disp=dynamic my poor server | 20:25 |
| abhijeet | slaine: :) | 20:26 |
| Scorpiion | Hello everyone! | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | Samir Faci in here? | 20:26 |
| Scorpiion | Is Meego a part of GSoC? | 20:26 |
| thiago | Scorpiion: no, but Maemo is | 20:26 |
| drizztbsd | and moblin? | 20:27 |
| slaine | drizztbsd: don't think so | 20:27 |
| thiago | Maemo submitted as Maemo because the MeeGo name was too new | 20:28 |
| abhijeet | i checked on the QT site and found that there are two version of QT IDE available.. one is 45MB while the other one which mentioned inte meego site is 450MB....i have installed the 45mb version on my ubuntu desktop.... what is the differene between them | 20:28 |
| thiago | treat it as Meego | 20:28 |
| thiago | abhijeet: Qt | 20:28 |
| Scorpiion | thiago: yeah I know, but that's a little confusioning since Maemo will be Meego.. :P | 20:28 |
| thiago | what exactly did you download? | 20:28 |
| slaine | abhijeet: QT == QuickTime | 20:28 |
| abhijeet | thiago: one sec i will give u the link | 20:28 |
| lcuk | abhijeet, the 405mb is padding bytes | 20:28 |
| lcuk | to ensure your download isnt damaged in transit | 20:28 |
| slaine | lol | 20:28 |
| slaine | the padding may include some useful bytes like demos and docs | 20:29 |
| lcuk | that too | 20:29 |
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| * thiago goes to the Qt website and finds out that the only thing that is 45 MB is the Qt Creator binary | 20:31 | |
| thiago | so you downloaded the IDE | 20:31 |
| thiago | you didn't download Qt, nor the rest of the toolchain | 20:31 |
| slaine | On your ubuntu desktop all you had to do was apt-get install qtcreator | 20:32 |
| abhijeet | thiago: http://qt.nokia.com/downloads go down to the "Qt Creator IDE" | 20:32 |
| slaine | abhijeet: that's a tool | 20:32 |
| slaine | not the Qt stack | 20:32 |
| thiago | you've got a nice text editor now | 20:32 |
| slaine | Open a terminal and type in | 20:32 |
| slaine | sudo apt-get install qtcreator | 20:32 |
| slaine | it's already packaged in the ubuntu repositories | 20:33 |
| abhijeet | yes.. also my programes are also getting built. | 20:33 |
| slaine | I installed it on my netbook and it works fine | 20:33 |
| abhijeet | i have created small application using that ide... | 20:33 |
| slaine | cool | 20:33 |
| abhijeet | it worked... | 20:33 |
| slaine | you must have had the rest installed | 20:33 |
| abhijeet | mean Qt libraries are already there in my system. | 20:34 |
| slaine | yup | 20:35 |
| slaine | and compilers etc | 20:35 |
| abhijeet | so Qt libraries are 400MB... | 20:35 |
| abhijeet | ok | 20:35 |
| abhijeet | that's quite huge.. | 20:35 |
| slaine | there's a lot of documentation too | 20:35 |
| abhijeet | gnome does not need so much library.... | 20:35 |
| slaine | but yes, it's a massive set of frameworks | 20:35 |
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| slaine | erm, it probably does, 'cause gnome is a desktop environment and includes a lot of packages | 20:36 |
| thiago | the Qt libraries aren't that big | 20:36 |
| slaine | and 400Mb is more than just the libs | 20:36 |
| thiago | 400 MB includes the compiler toolchain and probably more too | 20:36 |
| abhijeet | ok... | 20:37 |
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| abhijeet | so meego applications are same as normal Qt applications... | 20:39 |
| thiago | no | 20:39 |
| thiago | MeeGo applications are Linux applications | 20:40 |
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| thiago | whether they are made with Qt or not, it doesn't matter | 20:40 |
| abhijeet | thiago: i did not get you... | 20:40 |
| thiago | ok | 20:41 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 hugs thiago | 20:41 | |
| thiago | MeeGo is Linux. Any Linux application for X11 will run on MeeGo. | 20:41 |
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| thiago | (ok, I'm exaggerating a bit, but you get the point) | 20:41 |
| abhijeet | thiago: yeah....... | 20:41 |
| thiago | now, we recommend you use Qt | 20:42 |
| abhijeet | thiago: are you a meego professional or what. | 20:42 |
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| abhijeet | thiago: because nokia is in it :) | 20:43 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 is still deliberating on whether to use Qt's canvas or Clutter... | 20:43 | |
| * thiago works for Nokia | 20:43 | |
| abhijeet | oopsss.. | 20:43 |
| thiago | for Qt Development Frameworks, more precisely | 20:44 |
| alden | qt > gtk imo | 20:44 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | Qt is the only C++ toolkit I can stand | 20:44 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | which is ironic as hell, because the project i lead is built entirely on STL *facepalm* | 20:45 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 goes to bash his skull against a brick wall | 20:45 | |
| abhijeet | thiago: so there is a posibility of other tool kits for meebo :like gnome.. | 20:45 |
| abhijeet | since this is linux it can run anything.. | 20:45 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | abhijeet: dude, you can use whatever the @#($#@($ you want :) | 20:45 |
| thiago | abhijeet: GNOME is not a toolkit | 20:45 |
| pippin | thiago: and neither is Qt ;) | 20:46 |
| slaine | You can use Clutter or GTK+ if you like | 20:46 |
| abhijeet | TSCHAKeee2: ok | 20:46 |
| thiago | pippin: heya | 20:46 |
| slaine | pippin: Oooooo | 20:46 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | hehehe | 20:46 |
| slaine | Though he's right | 20:46 |
| slaine | it's grown past a toolkit | 20:46 |
| slaine | it's not a set of frameworks | 20:46 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | it's...something of a juggerkit | 20:46 |
| thiago | you can even use wxWidgets or raw libX11 if you'd like | 20:46 |
| thiago | Motif | 20:47 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | i'd have to shoot the person who still uses Motif | 20:47 |
| slaine | Motif for the win | 20:47 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | put them out of their (#@$#@($@ misery | 20:47 |
| abhijeet | that's nice.. | 20:47 |
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| abhijeet | not like android.. which is restricting the developers to there apis... | 20:47 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | Xt supporters are a bit like the confederate revivalists that do civil war simulations in the US | 20:47 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | "someday the south will rise" | 20:47 |
| pippin | thiago: hi :) | 20:48 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | *banjo-music* | 20:48 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :P :) | 20:48 |
| alden | hehe | 20:48 |
| alden | whats their argument for sticking with Xt tho? | 20:48 |
| * CosmoHill is getting somewhere | 20:48 | |
| * slaine is getting no where | 20:48 | |
| mrec | hmm does meego work with qemu? | 20:48 |
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| alden | oh yeah, has anyone run meego in a vm yet? | 20:49 |
| slaine | mrec: the arm one does | 20:49 |
| thiago | now, use the toolkit you think is best for you | 20:49 |
| mrec | I'm getting a pci bus error with qemu | 20:49 |
| slaine | the x86 one has kernel issues in VirtualBox for me | 20:49 |
| slaine | not spent any time investigating | 20:49 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | I really love the way clutter works as far as its canvas | 20:50 |
| mrec | slaine: something like pci kernel error? | 20:50 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | I can't wait to see how Qt's equivalent works... | 20:50 |
| alden | slaine: the atom netbook image? | 20:50 |
| slaine | something liek that | 20:50 |
| slaine | yes | 20:50 |
| mrec | slaine: then I'm getting the same with qemu | 20:50 |
| slaine | interesting | 20:50 |
| slaine | log a but | 20:50 |
| slaine | bug even | 20:50 |
| CosmoHill | I've been focusing on the actually image itsell and not the live image | 20:50 |
| CosmoHill | oh ohh oh holy shit | 20:53 |
| CosmoHill | I have a shell | 20:53 |
| CosmoHill | I have a meego shell in virtual box | 20:53 |
| alden | CosmoHill: nice :) | 20:54 |
| CosmoHill | not quiet there yet | 20:54 |
| CosmoHill | need to sort out | 20:55 |
| CosmoHill | INSTALL arch/x86/kernel/test_nx.ko | 20:55 |
| CosmoHill | INSTALL drivers/scsi/scsi_wait_scan.ko | 20:55 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, now, to make a call on real device, its simple! | 20:56 |
| lcuk | you just have to login, cd /usr/bin; make-a-call < /home/users/contacts/friends/mom.contact | 20:56 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 thwaps lcuk :P :) | 20:56 | |
| lcuk | :D | 20:57 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | good thing you didn't put that on the maemo forums | 20:57 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | or they'd be trying it | 20:57 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | "DAMN IT, IT DOESN'T WORK!" | 20:57 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | "NOKIA SUCKS!" | 20:57 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 shakes head | 20:57 | |
| lcuk | :) | 20:58 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | i watched | 20:58 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | as almost hundreds of people | 20:58 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: that works? | 20:58 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | went to the meego site, and downloaded the image | 20:58 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and flashed their bricks, and shriek in sheer terror, as their brick became a brick :P | 20:58 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :) | 20:58 |
| * lcuk prefers to think of users as valuable assets | 20:58 | |
| CosmoHill | erm | 20:59 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | "WHAT IS THIS WHITE WINDOW WITH WORDS?! WHERE ARE THE PICTURES?!?!" | 20:59 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :P :) | 20:59 |
| CosmoHill | what FS is initrd0.img ? | 20:59 |
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| mrec | good to know that meego uses 2.6.33.1 | 20:59 |
| mrec | the release which is fucked up by suse :( | 20:59 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | CosmoHill: probably the initrd format | 21:00 |
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| CosmoHill | an initrd is a small image that is loaded with the kernel | 21:03 |
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| arauho | anybody testing the netbook image here? | 21:08 |
| slaine | yes | 21:09 |
| alden | CosmoHill is | 21:09 |
| alden | and slaine | 21:09 |
| alden | im still downloading :( | 21:09 |
| slaine | not really a lot we can do | 21:09 |
| arauho | slaine: any way to get a gui working there in the current state of things? | 21:09 |
| arauho | mm,, i see | 21:09 |
| * CosmoHill is also eating dinner | 21:09 | |
| slaine | there's lots of stuff almost there, but lots of stuff missing that breaks it | 21:09 |
| cyberkonsult | I was booting it on a netbook with a celeron processor! Worked!! Tryed to boot in VirtualBox , fail. | 21:10 |
| alden | CosmoHill, after you get it running in VirtualBox, maybe u could blog the steps to get it working? | 21:10 |
| cyberkonsult | s/Tryed/Tried | 21:10 |
| slaine | interesting | 21:10 |
| slaine | is that a newish celeron ? | 21:11 |
| cyberkonsult | yes, acer 1410 | 21:11 |
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| DawnFoster | alden - how's the download speed? | 21:11 |
| mrec | I'll try replacing the kernel + initrd image | 21:12 |
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| DawnFoster | I think we got some additional mirroring set up to handle the load - is it helping? | 21:12 |
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| cyberkonsult | slaine: 'Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 743 @ 1.30GHz' | 21:13 |
| slaine | can you cat /proc/cpuinfo | 21:14 |
| slaine | and paste the cpuflags somewhere please | 21:14 |
| cyberkonsult | slaine: sure, couple of rows there... | 21:15 |
| alden | DawnFoster: yesterday was 4.6KB/s now getting 30KB/s | 21:15 |
| alden | DawnFoster: and im on 256 so thats good.. | 21:15 |
| DawnFoster | alden: ok, good. I was getting worried. | 21:16 |
| DawnFoster | alden: glad to hear it's better today | 21:16 |
| cyberkonsult | VirtualBox couln't boot the image.. (usb-image) working on fooling VB to think its a HD.. | 21:16 |
| alden | DawnFoster: yeah.. maybe next time we should have a torrent? | 21:16 |
| CosmoHill | hey DawnFoster | 21:16 |
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| DawnFoster | hey cosmohill | 21:17 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 21:18 |
| CosmoHill | crap | 21:18 |
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| CosmoHill | two of the servers I'm using don't want to talk to each other | 21:18 |
| DawnFoster | alden: I'll ask about torrents. I think there was a reason we didn't do that, but not sure about the details. | 21:18 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: I'm working on meego for virtual box | 21:19 |
| CosmoHill | I think I'm about one server connection away from fixing this | 21:19 |
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| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: cool! | 21:20 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, for the nokia images i can see the eula section getting in the way but for free images i dont think that matters? | 21:20 |
| alden | CosmoHill: how are u booting? | 21:20 |
| CosmoHill | I converted the usbimg image to a vdi image like slaine told me too | 21:20 |
| CosmoHill | I'm then access parts of that image via a livecd and making changes | 21:20 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: I'm getting 14Kb/s from the repo's | 21:21 |
| CosmoHill | TSCHAKeee2: you're right, it was an initrd format (cpio gunzip) | 21:21 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: ick. that doesn't sound good. what's your connection speed? | 21:21 |
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| slaine | 4Mb leased line | 21:22 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: yeah, not good.I'll let them know. | 21:22 |
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| slaine | was getting full bandwidth on downloading the image this morning (UTC) | 21:22 |
| slaine | this is from the yum repo's though (think it's the same server) | 21:23 |
| mrec | I'm able to boot meego with the ubuntu kernel lol | 21:23 |
| mrec | little bit fiddling around but it seems to work | 21:24 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: scrap that | 21:24 |
| slaine | I just logged into the firewall and someone's obviously left something downloading | 21:24 |
| slaine | as it's maxed out there | 21:24 |
| alden | mrec: nice :) | 21:25 |
| slaine | I bet I know who it is too | 21:25 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: oh good (for me maybe not for you) :) | 21:25 |
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| DawnFoster | we were afraid something with the mirrors was screwed up. | 21:26 |
| slaine | I figured I'd better check the local net first before you go bothering mshaver | 21:26 |
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| DawnFoster | I was already on IM with mrshaver (as usual) - he's also happy that it was on your end, not ours :) | 21:27 |
| slaine | Tell him sorry for the false alarm | 21:27 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: will do. | 21:28 |
| slaine | Actually, can you ask him about mirror requests | 21:28 |
| DawnFoster | let me see if he can pop into irc | 21:28 |
| slaine | I got someone from http://ftp.heanet.ie/ to contact him last year about mirroring Moblin | 21:29 |
| slaine | It never happened | 21:29 |
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| slaine | I'd like to see an Irish mirror of MeeGo if possible | 21:30 |
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| DawnFoster | slaine: I have to drop off IRC for a bit, but it looks like mrshaver is here for you :) | 21:33 |
| mrshaver | slaine: how are things? | 21:34 |
| slaine | sweet, thanks DawnFoster | 21:34 |
| slaine | mrshaver: not too bad | 21:34 |
| slaine | I know you're probably crazy busy | 21:34 |
| mrshaver | not sure I'm the right person, but I can try to answer mirror questions | 21:34 |
| slaine | Well, not sure if you remember, but last year, I tried to get a mirror for moblin setup with the guys at http://ftp.heanet.ie/ | 21:35 |
| slaine | I was given your contact details iirc and passed them on, Gareth Eason was probably the chap that contacted you | 21:35 |
| mrshaver | I do recall that | 21:35 |
| slaine | cool | 21:35 |
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| slaine | Well, basically, wondering if we could try again for Meego and the repo's etc. | 21:35 |
| slaine | not sure how the mirrors are structured | 21:36 |
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| slaine | is it feasible even ? | 21:36 |
| mrshaver | I don't know exactly what is planned at this point, but we are much better prepared this time to accept additional mirrors | 21:36 |
| mrshaver | we'll also be mirroring on kernel.org, like moblin was | 21:37 |
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| mrshaver | their mirror network is smart and will pick the correct mirror for location | 21:37 |
| slaine | yeah, I'm not sure how the kernel.org mirrors work. heanet have a mirror of kernel.org, but mirrors.kernel.org seems like different infrastructure | 21:37 |
| slaine | and I'm not sure there is a local node for that. | 21:38 |
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| mrshaver | I don't know exactly where their nodes are? | 21:38 |
| slaine | me neither | 21:38 |
| slaine | we'll broach this again if there's a need | 21:38 |
| mrshaver | but they are bandwidth heavy, which is good | 21:38 |
| slaine | thanks for you're time | 21:38 |
| CosmoHill | rawr! | 21:38 |
| mrshaver | slaine: np | 21:39 |
| alden | mrshaver: we should put up a torrent | 21:39 |
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| CosmoHill | damn thing | 21:39 |
| slaine | heanet have tonnes of bandwidth and space and are only a hop or two away from me, so that's nice :) | 21:39 |
| mrshaver | alden: it was discussed with moblin and it's worth exploring for Meego for sure | 21:39 |
| CosmoHill | the initrd0 was vfat | 21:40 |
| CosmoHill | but not it's not | 21:40 |
| milliams | Is it possible to install one of the images from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/images/ in VirtualBox? | 21:41 |
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| CosmoHill | milliams: I've been on it since lunch time :( | 21:42 |
| prenzo | hi, has anyone tried meego on atom yet? | 21:43 |
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| alden | CosmoHill: you accessed parts of the image from livecd? | 21:43 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 21:43 |
| alden | CosmoHill: livecd is a tool of some sort? | 21:43 |
| milliams | CosmoHill: Hmm, ok then. Perhaps for the next image drop they could provide an VB image for us. | 21:43 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm working on a vdi file | 21:44 |
| prenzo | what do you use to burn an usb? | 21:44 |
| tripzero | prenzo, dd works | 21:45 |
| koupsaa | prenzo dd | 21:45 |
| prenzo | cool | 21:45 |
| tripzero | also, ubuntu has a usb image gui thingy | 21:45 |
| tripzero | usb-image-creator or something of the sort | 21:45 |
| tripzero | it's just a frontend to dd iirc | 21:45 |
| slaine | that's for iso's to usb disks iirc | 21:45 |
| tripzero | nope, that's a different tool | 21:45 |
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| tripzero | ImageWriter | 21:46 |
| prenzo | I'll try it tonight. I'd been trying to download the image since yesterday and I finally got it minutes ago. | 21:46 |
| alden | usb-creator-gtk | 21:46 |
| tripzero | ding | 21:46 |
| tripzero | alden wins! | 21:46 |
| slaine | pretty sure that takes an iso | 21:46 |
| alden | woho! | 21:46 |
| tripzero | oh, yep | 21:46 |
| prenzo | have anyone tried flashnul? | 21:47 |
| tripzero | that one does take the iso | 21:47 |
| tripzero | 2 secs | 21:47 |
| alden | the dropdown shows cd imagees and disk images | 21:47 |
| slaine | "Ubuntu Live USB Creator (usb-creator) is an official tool to create Live USBs of Ubuntu from the Live CD or from an iso image. " | 21:47 |
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| tripzero | usb-imagewriter | 21:47 |
| tripzero | slaine ^^ | 21:47 |
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| slaine | never seen that one | 21:47 |
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| slaine | yeah, that's a new one | 21:48 |
| slaine | basic gui over dd as you said | 21:48 |
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| slaine | right, I've been at work for 12 hours now | 21:49 |
| slaine | I think it's time to head | 21:49 |
| slaine | catch you all tomorrow | 21:50 |
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| alden | later | 21:50 |
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| cyberkonsult | At least I got to grub, and started to boot... | 21:57 |
| * CosmoHill twices | 21:58 | |
| cyberkonsult | screenshot: http://www.cyberkonsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/snapshot1.png | 21:58 |
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| CosmoHill | you're trying to get meego to work on virtual box? | 22:00 |
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| cyberkonsult | Yes.. crazy... but it booted on my celeron.... | 22:00 |
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| cyberkonsult | CosmoHill, have a real image for me??? | 22:01 |
| CosmoHill | no | 22:02 |
| cyberkonsult | ;( | 22:02 |
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| CosmoHill | don't make me hurt you | 22:02 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: what processor do you have? | 22:02 |
| CosmoHill | Core 2 Duo | 22:02 |
| CosmoHill | I have my own kernel | 22:02 |
| lbt | does it have ssse3 ? | 22:02 |
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| cyberkonsult | lbt: my celeron 743 got it | 22:04 |
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| CosmoHill | I think so | 22:04 |
| CosmoHill | It has SSE3 and SSE4 | 22:04 |
| CosmoHill | it can run moblin | 22:04 |
| lbt | 3s's | 22:05 |
| lbt | ssse3 | 22:05 |
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| CosmoHill | i know | 22:05 |
| cyberkonsult | microlith: WHAT? | 22:05 |
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| microlith | hmm, only the N900 version has X? | 22:08 |
| cyberkonsult | microlith: I only got this far... http://www.cyberkonsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/snapshot2.png | 22:09 |
| cyberkonsult | any ideas? | 22:09 |
| microlith | stack dump, nice | 22:09 |
| microlith | oh, you're doing it in virtualbox | 22:10 |
| cyberkonsult | Yes, assumed You did to.... :( | 22:10 |
| microlith | no, I booted it on my aspire one | 22:10 |
| microlith | which runs an Atom N270 | 22:10 |
| cyberkonsult | booted on a celeron 743 (aspire 1410) | 22:11 |
| microlith | what cpu does the virtual box machine have? | 22:12 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | well, from that early in the spewage | 22:12 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | that would either indicate the host CPU does not have SSE3 | 22:12 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | or | 22:12 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | there is ACPI spewage | 22:12 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | VirtualBox is a hypervisor | 22:13 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | so it exposes whatever CPU the main CPU is | 22:13 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | although, virtualbox exposes its own ACPI stuff | 22:13 |
| cyberkonsult | Ah.. will try to turn off ACPI then... | 22:13 |
| cyberkonsult | no change;( | 22:15 |
| microlith | what's the cpu of the host? | 22:15 |
| cyberkonsult | celeron 743 | 22:16 |
| microlith | oh right | 22:16 |
| microlith | it booted when run directly | 22:16 |
| cyberkonsult | and it boots the usb when run directly too | 22:16 |
| cyberkonsult | so it SHOULD boot in VB | 22:16 |
| microlith | should, doesn't mean there isn't some subtle compatibility issue | 22:17 |
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| bfree | anyone manage to get the N900 image working in qemu? I get "qemu: fatal: VS[LR]I.64 not implemented" at a random time after the (serial) login. Maybe it really wants a "make install" rather then just ./qemu-system-arm ? | 22:27 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu | 22:27 |
| mrec | I have meego booting up with an ubuntu kernel although it only drops into the meego shell | 22:28 |
| bfree | TSCHAKeee2: I'm afraid that's what I was trying :-( | 22:28 |
| RST38h | bfree: you have got a wrong cpu arch configured | 22:28 |
| mrec | in a virtual machine | 22:28 |
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| mrec | I guess the initscript isn't complete yet | 22:28 |
| mrec | how can someone start the gui with meego? | 22:28 |
| mrec | I can upload the modified initrd and ubuntukernel for it afterwards | 22:29 |
| bfree | RST38h: thanks ... I guess it's loading some stuff from the installed qemu which it should be getting from the git compiled one :-/ "man qemu" here I come | 22:30 |
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| mrec | meego is a stupid redhat release oh dear | 22:32 |
| prenzo | I'm afraid nobody is going to get a gui yet: "The downloaded images will boot from a USB stick or directly flashed on the device from your Linux PC, but since the MeeGo User Experiences for the usage models mentioned previously are not yet included in today's MeeGo core, these images will boot into terminal. " | 22:32 |
| microlith | certainly | 22:33 |
| microlith | the N900 version at least has X11 though... | 22:33 |
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| CosmoHill | on x86 how do I set the screen resolution from the boot menu? | 22:35 |
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| mrec | well if anyone wants to boot it http://www.sundtek.de/support/syslinux.tar.gz just replace the existing syslinux tree on the usb stick with that one and boot it up with qemu or virtualbox | 22:38 |
| CosmoHill | what did you change in it | 22:38 |
| mrec | the kernel | 22:38 |
| mrec | 2.6.33 is shit | 22:38 |
| mrec | they should at least use 2.6.31 or 2.6.34 | 22:39 |
| CosmoHill | what did you change in initrd0.img? | 22:39 |
| mrec | it's using an ubuntu kernel with all the modules | 22:39 |
| CosmoHill | I've changed the kernel and can get it to boot into bash only | 22:39 |
| mrec | CosmoHill: 21:32 < prenzo> I'm afraid nobody is going to get a gui yet: "The downloaded images will boot from a USB stick or directly flashed on the device from your Linux PC, but since the MeeGo User Experiences for the usage models mentioned previously are not yet included in today's MeeGo core, these images will boot into terminal. | 22:39 |
| CosmoHill | i know | 22:40 |
| CosmoHill | i mean like init=/bin/bash | 22:40 |
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| mrec | ah | 22:40 |
| CosmoHill | I have /bin and /sbin and bugger all else | 22:40 |
| mrec | well I replaced the kernel ubuntu is well tested unlike the meego/redhat kernel | 22:40 |
| CosmoHill | and I've been working on his for hours so I'm in a bad mood | 22:40 |
| mrec | CosmoHill: continue with the ubuntu kernel ... | 22:40 |
| CosmoHill | meh | 22:41 |
| mrec | it's the kernel from ubuntu 9.10 | 22:41 |
| CosmoHill | I'm going to uninstall virtual box and it can go fuck itself | 22:41 |
| mrec | they have all the modules compiled in so it's the best choice | 22:41 |
| mrec | meego is a hype like all the other linux eeepcs before | 22:41 |
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| cyberkonsult | CosmoHill: I give up as well, mostly bq I cant get VB to log the output of the boot-process... | 22:41 |
| mrec | Acer even shut down their acer aspire one netbook website for the netbook which I have | 22:41 |
| CosmoHill | my laptop fans are going nuts with bugger all going on | 22:42 |
| cyberkonsult | CosmoHill: Do you know how I can get the messages log from the VB-booting (screenshots doesn't work...) | 22:43 |
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| CosmoHill | nope | 22:44 |
| CosmoHill | if the kernel panics that tends to be it | 22:44 |
| CosmoHill | only way to log it is via a serial cable | 22:44 |
| bfree | will vbox do a serial port? | 22:44 |
| cyberkonsult | lol.. eh... not a bad idea.. lol | 22:44 |
| prenzo | I see lots of people complaining all they get is a terminal | 22:44 |
| CosmoHill | terminal is no problem | 22:45 |
| cyberkonsult | terminal was fine... the login meego pw meego to easy to hack... | 22:45 |
| CosmoHill | the fact that I've wasted half a day pissing about with things that simply just don't want to work annoyes me | 22:45 |
| prenzo | what is next? have anyone tried any of the repositories? http://meego.gitorious.org/ | 22:45 |
| cyberkonsult | Get a Pint, I will | 22:45 |
| mrec | http://sundtek.de/meego/index.txt meego with virtual machines | 22:45 |
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| cyberkonsult | mrec: Thanks! May try that modded image tomorrow in VirtualBox... | 22:48 |
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| prenzo | Going for a Pint too. Take care | 23:00 |
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| trumee | guys any idea if joggler can run meego? | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | trumee: GMA500 graphics causes a bit of problem but with a bit of xserver hackery, maybe | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | i just got elilo patches so i can get that part building 'freely' again | 23:22 |
| trumee | Stskeeps:does joggler user GMA500? i have hunting for this info like crazy. no online review mentions the video chipset! | 23:23 |
| javispedro | ah, youtube now follows the engadget rule of web development | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | trumee: OK, so, it has a EFI bios, it's 1.6ghz atom board with ~1 or 2 gb internal MMC, can boot from usb. There's some problems with updated kernel (sound noise) and GMA500 / Poulsbo chipset | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | you will need to use IEGD drivers | 23:25 |
| trumee | i hope to run mythtv SD content on this. Any idea if that is possible? | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't tested video, personally | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | saw the ubuntu remix videos? | 23:25 |
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| trumee | Stskeeps: yes i did. | 23:26 |
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| Stskeeps | you will need to hack this device though to make it any remotely useful though | 23:27 |
| trumee | Stskeeps: what do you mean? | 23:27 |
| trumee | if i can install some linux distro on it. it should be all good. | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | as in you need to do considerable leg work yourself :P | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | but at 49 pound.. that is a steal | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | it is not a traditional bios, so :P | 23:28 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: depends on what Atom chip is being used | 23:29 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: on netbooks, there will be an actual BIOS | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: no bios, it has efi only | 23:30 |
| RST38h | EFI is pretty advanced as far as these chips go | 23:30 |
| trumee | i dont mind working on it as long it is known that it will work at the end :) | 23:30 |
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| Stskeeps | i have elilo booting a linux kernel and we had gl acceleration with closed source, good enough? (booting from usb) | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | and some kernel sound issues (electric clicking, we may have a patch) | 23:32 |
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| trumee | Stskeeps: that sounds fantastic. gl accelaration will definitely be needed to run mythtv | 23:35 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | yeah, i really wouldn't care | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | ah, 1.33ghz | 23:36 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | just as long as GL worked | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | oh, and it's mono sound | 23:36 |
| trumee | Stskeeps: i guess any linux distro would be good. | 23:36 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | oh gee, that's a deal breaker :P | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | it does have speaker output in back | 23:36 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | not :P | 23:36 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | i just want some moorestown hardware :((( | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | also, please remember it's connected strictly to DC :) | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | not a battery-able device | 23:37 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | I would be using it as a nightstand orbiter | 23:37 |
| trumee | Stskeeps:not a fan of ubuntu. will probably like it as a dedicated mythtv client running twm or something. | 23:37 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | trumee: http://www.linuxmce.org/ :) | 23:38 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ^^ -- the project i work on. | 23:38 |
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| Stskeeps | trumee: yeah, well, boot your own flavour :P | 23:39 |
| trumee | TSCHAKeee2: can linuxmce connect to a mythtv backend | 23:39 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | trumee: yes, but you should use ours, migrate over the old data | 23:39 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | trumee: we are a highly advanced smart home platform. | 23:39 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | which can use either mythtv or vdr for TV functions. | 23:40 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | and do a lot of stuff mythTV could never dream of doing on its own | 23:40 |
| trumee | TSCHAKeee2: uh, oh! that will be a problem. my backend run gentoo with mythtv 0.22 | 23:40 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :) | 23:40 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | big deal, the database is migrateable | 23:40 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | as is the data. | 23:40 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :) | 23:40 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | but whatever | 23:40 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | we solve a lot of problems that a lot of people spend years duct taping stuff together | 23:40 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :) | 23:41 |
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| trumee | TSCHAKeee2: what about the frontend. is there touchscreen support for the frontend? | 23:41 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | trumee: we allow for the use on on-screen, and non-onscreen orbiters of various shapes and sizes | 23:41 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | trumee: ranging from using remotes pointed at screen, to dedicated touch screen displays running either on tablets or PDAs, as well as some cell phones. | 23:42 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | trumee: myself, i use a mix of WebDT 366 tablets, and a Nokia N900 that I carry around (I also have a Nokia N810 as backup) | 23:42 |
| trumee | TSCHAKeee2: can i not install linuxmce in gentoo? i dont want to get rid of gentoo since it serves other things as well. happy to get rid of mythtv base install and install linuxmce though. | 23:42 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and my old Nokia N70 ran the symbian orbiter | 23:42 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | trumee: currently no | 23:42 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | trumee: our system is completely self contained, but can be extended. | 23:43 |
| lbt | TSCHAKeee2: sounds interesting | 23:43 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | trumee: the system is intended to be used as an appliance.. set it up and forget about it | 23:43 |
| lbt | TSCHAKeee2: all GPL? | 23:43 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | as it controls virtually all of the house | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: just sent you elilo diff for joggler | 23:43 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | lbt: it will be eventually. there are some pieces that are under a pluto public license which prohibits bundling of hardware and software for sale. | 23:43 |
| lbt | \o/ | 23:43 |
| trumee | TSCHAKeee2: i have asterisk/freepbx running on that box (along with nfs server), will it be possible to install these on linuxmce? | 23:43 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sigh | 23:44 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | dude | 23:44 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | you're not listening | 23:44 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and you're being like a linux geek :) | 23:44 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | stop it | 23:44 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | trumee: we already provide a complete asterisk system, fully integrated into every single aspect of the house. | 23:44 |
| trumee | TSCHAKeee2: hmm. need to look at it :) | 23:44 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | trumee: this isn't some duct taped together media center | 23:44 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | it is a smart home platform | 23:44 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :) | 23:44 |
| trumee | TSCHAKeee2: your N900 can play live TV from linuxmce backend? | 23:45 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | trumee: it has the power to, but we're not going to do that until we re-engineer the entire orbiter infrastructure | 23:45 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | trumee: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2176025602905109829&ei=4QW1S6OSE4idlAfQtIimBw&q=linuxmce+demo <-- watch that | 23:45 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: £49 ? | 23:46 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | trumee: the system replaces your router, and gateway | 23:46 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | trumee: and becomes your central file server for the entire house | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/646001/o2-joggler-49-99-now-with-free-app- | 23:46 |
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| Stskeeps | found 1 day 7 hours ago, so not april fools :P | 23:47 |
| trumee | Stskeeps: i might go into an O2 shop to buy it tomorrow. any idea if it is available instore? | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | no clue. | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | i'm living in poland | 23:48 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: what's the boot time on Joggler ? is it still the orig kernel? | 23:48 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i just got it booting straight to elilo (without keyboard) | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i haven't gotten any meego material on there yet | 23:49 |
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| lbt | at £50 it becomes a remote control | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:49 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | i could port the linuxmce orbiter to the joggler pretty easily.. my problem is, trying to get one here in the US... | 23:50 |
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| lbt | TSCHAKeee2: I'll ship you one :) | 23:50 |
| lbt | seriously | 23:50 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | lbt: okay | 23:50 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | lbt: I am spending our next dev cycle to port LinuxMCE to run atop MeeGo | 23:51 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | so that we can shed a lot of the stuff we won't need anymore | 23:51 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 23:51 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and push more stuff upstream | 23:51 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | MeeGo is the PERFECT system stack for LinuxMCE | 23:51 |
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| lbt | TSCHAKeee2: PM | 23:55 |
| trumee | TSCHAKeee2: saw the video, this looks like powerfull stuff. can i have linuxmce frontend on my regular gentoo box, or do i need to wipe out the disk like the backend? | 23:55 |
| trumee | TSCHAKeee2: i use my desktop as mythfrontend sometimes. | 23:55 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | trumee: well, we provide diskless boot for what we call "media directors" | 23:56 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | this is an intrinsic part of the system | 23:56 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | where it boots up into the LinuxMCE stack, with Orbiter as the environment. | 23:56 |
| trumee | TSCHAKeee2: so i connect a regular mythtv frontend to talk to a linuxmce backend? | 23:56 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | dude | 23:57 |
| trumee | /s/connect/cannot connect/ | 23:57 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | you are thinking WAY TOO HARD | 23:57 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | stop it | 23:57 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :P :) | 23:57 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | you can | 23:57 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | but our system takes care of everything so you wouldn't HAVE to duct tape things like that | 23:57 |
| trumee | ah! that is good. cant imagine wiping all my PC's to install linuxmce! | 23:57 |
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