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| yanghm | hello | 06:31 |
| yanghm | has any one startphone using this OS? | 06:31 |
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| qgil | is Max here? "Will Qt 4.7 then create rpm´s? I still would prefer a deb. rpm is just fedora and suse. debian is much better." | 08:11 |
| qgil | That sentence is just incredible. :) | 08:11 |
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| TigerTael | hah | 08:15 |
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| Stskeeps | morning qgil | 08:18 |
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| TigerTael | qgil, morning as well! | 08:20 |
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| TigerTael | I don't want to feel left out. | 08:20 |
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| qgil | TigerTael: so what is your area of interest where you want to feel in? | 08:38 |
| TigerTael | Nah, nothing really, I'm just here to learn really. ;] | 08:40 |
| TigerTael | I'm still new to Maemo. | 08:40 |
| TigerTael | And yes, I know this is meego. | 08:40 |
| TigerTael | I am eager to get my hands on a meego build for my N900... and I know that's going to be a while. | 08:44 |
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| Stskeeps | morning tekojo | 08:49 |
| tekojo | Morning Stskeeps! | 08:49 |
| tekojo | terrible weather here | 08:50 |
| tekojo | 10 cm of fresh wet snow everywhere | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | supposed to be 12 C here today | 08:51 |
| * tekojo feels envious of snow clean streets | 08:51 | |
| Stskeeps | we had like 2-3 days a dump of 20-30 cm | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | the system running the weather is messed up :) | 08:52 |
| tekojo | Yes, pretty badly | 08:52 |
| tekojo | the spring in west coast usa is a month ahead of schedule | 08:52 |
| tekojo | and I'm beginning to feel we have that extra cold month here | 08:53 |
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| * qgil worries when the topic at #meego is the weather... ;) | 09:06 | |
| Stskeeps | then again, #maemo had bacon as topic quite often | 09:07 |
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| qgil | Stskeeps: also true | 09:08 |
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| niqt | is today meeting postponed? | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, till wednesday | 09:59 |
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| Openfree | anyone know, how to checkout one single file of specific GIT commit? | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | don't think it's possible | 11:10 |
| robsta | try git reset | 11:11 |
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| Openfree | hey, google tells | 11:15 |
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| Openfree | git show COMMIT:file > my_file | 11:15 |
| Openfree | work for me | 11:15 |
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| mikhas | Openfree, nice | 11:30 |
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| thiago | Openfree: also: git checkout COMMIT -- my_file | 11:50 |
| thiago | that checks it out and adds to the index | 11:50 |
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| asy2 | anonyme say how launch moblin-dm or uxlaunch with startx because i have load nvidia driver in ion lite computer nvidia work well but i have a withe blanck screen no ui from moblin | 13:06 |
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| slaine | Decided to install the Lucid Beta 1 over Moblin 2.1 | 18:22 |
| CosmoHill | hey slaine | 18:23 |
| slaine | figured i'd give it a shot while waiting for MeeGo 1.0 | 18:23 |
| slaine | Hey CosmoHill | 18:23 |
| slaine | been pretty quiet here today | 18:23 |
| CosmoHill | isn't it always? | 18:23 |
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| slaine | CosmoHill: perhaps you and I should get the ball rolling and argue about .deb Vs .rpm, but really be talking about Debian Vs. Redhat, 'cause we don't know any better. | 18:27 |
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| RST38h | Apparently, Meego is not literally a RedHat | 18:31 |
| RST38h | So, I would not pose the argument this way right now. Have to wait and see. | 18:31 |
| slaine | I downloaded <insert package name> from the Fedora repo and it won't install on meego, why ?? | 18:32 |
| CosmoHill | my backback is 6.3Kg :o | 18:33 |
| koivula | CosmoHill, fing a blessed bag of holding.. | 18:33 |
| koivula | find | 18:33 |
| poutsi | thinkgeek + local priest should do it | 18:34 |
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| RST38h | slaine: You do understand that we are getting these folks even with Maemo4/Maemo5? | 18:43 |
| RST38h | slaine: I mean, folks trying to install x86 Ubuntu packages to the tablets | 18:44 |
| leinir | Indeed | 18:44 |
| leinir | So just imagine what happens when something like this gets released to the unwashed^wungeeky masses | 18:45 |
| CosmoHill | RST38h: ... | 18:45 |
| slaine | Really | 18:45 |
| slaine | Oh dear god | 18:45 |
| CosmoHill | I've built a basic RPM based distro so you can see why packages from other distros won't work | 18:46 |
| RST38h | leinier: Ungeeky masses have no idea what packages are. They will install via app manager | 18:46 |
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| leinir | RST38h: i'm not a babylon5 character ;) | 18:46 |
| RST38h | The problem is not ungeeky masses. The problem is stupid selfish american teenagers playing geeks | 18:46 |
| leinir | A very good point, yes | 18:46 |
| RST38h | (ok, to a lesser degree, this is true for other countries of origin) | 18:47 |
| CosmoHill | I love the way you managed to get the word "american" into that statment | 18:47 |
| Booze | ;) | 18:47 |
| RST38h | Cosmo: Well, the statistics do single these out | 18:47 |
| CosmoHill | I remember some kid showing you how to get the IP of people on a website | 18:47 |
| slaine | 85% of all statistics are right | 18:47 |
| CosmoHill | and how fast their internet is | 18:48 |
| CosmoHill | did you know there are 17 people on google.com! | 18:48 |
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| CosmoHill | my friend was loling at it | 18:50 |
| CosmoHill | the kid has just done trace route from cmd to google and thought it was showing the users of the website | 18:50 |
| RST38h | Oh well... You should read some tmo threads where eager masses discover game console emulators... | 18:51 |
| RST38h | Or just ask javispedro, he will tell you all about it :) | 18:51 |
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| CosmoHill | if i could i would love to remove people from the internet | 18:51 |
| CosmoHill | i mean if you can't teach them | 18:51 |
| RST38h | They are mostly write-only, they barely read stuff | 18:52 |
| CosmoHill | I had one guy saying how stupid and useless we all are and we had a thread showing he was ignoring all advice given | 18:52 |
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| CosmoHill | i kinda like teaching people | 18:54 |
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| CosmoHill | tbh where I hang out on the internet i'm pretty protected from idiots | 18:58 |
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| slaine | I get a lot of stuff like "your wifi driver doesn't work with the latest kernel" | 19:13 |
| CosmoHill | wifi is evil | 19:13 |
| CosmoHill | even on windows | 19:14 |
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| slaine | well, it's more people not realizing that they've to rebuild the driver for each kernel release | 19:14 |
| CosmoHill | only reason mum's PC ever bluescreened | 19:14 |
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| * RST38h wonders why Linux still has no kernel-independent dynamically loaded device drivers | 19:18 | |
| CosmoHill | ooo | 19:18 |
| CosmoHill | would be nicer if the drivers were open source | 19:19 |
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| heffer | if i wanted to start developing for meego i'd start off with downloading moblin 2.1? correct? | 19:46 |
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| robsta | heffer: depends what you'd like to do | 19:51 |
| poutsi | I guess that would depend on w... beat me to the punch | 19:51 |
| heffer | :D | 19:51 |
| heffer | i'd like to dig into packaging | 19:51 |
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| heffer | basically i'm preparing a tutorial for MeeGo dev's on packaging | 19:52 |
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| robsta | heffer: you can just as well start by writing your app based on clutter or qt on the desktop and integrate when the final stack will be announced | 19:52 |
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| heffer | i'm pretty proficient on packaging for Fedora so i wanted to see what the differences are | 19:53 |
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| robsta | heffer: meego is using obs like suse, not sure about fedora | 19:53 |
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| lbt | heffer: investigate the OBS | 19:54 |
| heffer | robsta, okay thanks for the info. i think the build service doesn't really matter for how the packaged need to be prepared | 19:54 |
| lbt | that's essential (speaking as the guy who wrote similar tutorials inside Nokia for their prospective meego developers...) | 19:55 |
| robsta | heffer: obs is using spec-builder is that what fedora is using too? | 19:55 |
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| heffer | fedora uses koji for building | 19:57 |
| lbt | ah, so when you say "meego devs"? | 19:59 |
| lbt | who do you mean? | 19:59 |
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| lbt | (Just trying to understand to point you in the best direction) | 19:59 |
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| heffer | i mean the community. including the Maemon devs who are switching from deb | 19:59 |
| heffer | the people who want to get their apps on the device | 20:00 |
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| lbt | OK | 20:00 |
| heffer | some guys from the fedora project thought it might be nice to prepare some resources and a IRC classroom for interested developers | 20:00 |
| heffer | and before i do that i'd like to be familiar with the platform | 20:01 |
| lbt | would be amazingly useful | 20:01 |
| heffer | so basically our idea is to have a day (most likely on a weekend) where there will be a session on RPM packaging as well as Q&A for the day | 20:01 |
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| lbt | FYI http://wiki.meego.com/Debian_users_translation_guide | 20:02 |
| lbt | heffer: I'd like to help you co-ordinate that if I could | 20:03 |
| kebax | er, stupid question, what is zypper? | 20:03 |
| lbt | I started out as the Mer build guy | 20:03 |
| lbt | heffer: Mer was the "as open as possible" port of Maemo | 20:04 |
| lbt | and I used OBS to build it | 20:04 |
| lbt | so now I work for Nokia and am designing/deploying the OBS internally | 20:04 |
| lbt | I'm also part of the Meego packaging worgroup | 20:05 |
| lbt | we're very keen on helping people do exactly what you describe | 20:05 |
| lbt | and of course many of us have no clue about rpm-isation :) | 20:05 |
| lbt | kebax: it's like aptitude | 20:05 |
| lbt | or maybe mor apt-get | 20:05 |
| kebax | yeah, I realized through google | 20:05 |
| kebax | as I said, stupid question =) | 20:06 |
| lbt | so that link ^^ | 20:06 |
| lbt | should help | 20:06 |
| lbt | if you read it you are morally obliged to update it | 20:06 |
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| heffer | :D | 20:06 |
| heffer | so meego uses zypper? because fedora uses yum | 20:07 |
| lbt | heffer: honestly I am not authoritative on these matters | 20:07 |
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| lbt | I asked that question and got told "yes, it uses zypper" | 20:07 |
| lbt | but until we see some code... | 20:07 |
| heffer | lbt, because if this if it was copied over from suse it might be wrong | 20:08 |
| slaine | strange | 20:08 |
| slaine | zypper wasn't in moblin nor maemo | 20:08 |
| lbt | it kinda makes sense to have a C based system on these devices though | 20:08 |
| heffer | because afaik moblin is based on fedora | 20:08 |
| heffer | it does | 20:08 |
| slaine | heffer: no, it's not | 20:08 |
| heffer | yum is slow as hell-ish :D | 20:08 |
| lbt | yeah there's a lot of "we're not based on anything" going around | 20:08 |
| heffer | slaine, oh i always assumed that :D | 20:08 |
| slaine | everyone does for some reason | 20:08 |
| lbt | and whilst I acknowledge that... I think we should establish/maintain relationships with a big distro | 20:09 |
| kebax | this Mer, it runs on Nxx series? | 20:09 |
| slaine | I couldn't tell you how many people have come onto the #moblin channel looking for help because they installed fedora repos and busted their install | 20:09 |
| lbt | kebax: yes.. | 20:09 |
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| lbt | slaine: heh | 20:09 |
| heffer | slaine, well the wikipedia article says so. maybe it needs some correction | 20:10 |
| lbt | kebax: although Mer is in transistion atm | 20:10 |
| heffer | "Moblin 2's Core distribution is based on recent builds of Fedora" | 20:10 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: ah, ping here.... | 20:10 |
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| slaine | I think Arjan used Fedora to boot strap some early packages when they switched from a Ubuntu based Moblin 1 distro to Moblin 2. But he also used some OpenSuse packages | 20:11 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: wikipedia is wrong .... go fix it ;) | 20:11 |
| heffer | well Fedora is very interested in establishing a relation with Meego to share our knowledge on RPM Packaging | 20:11 |
| lbt | heffer: cool | 20:11 |
| heffer | we hope to prevent the reinvention of the wheel :) | 20:11 |
| slaine | heffer: Have you spoken with Peter Robinson ? | 20:11 |
| lbt | and I'm rather hoping we can get some multi-distro colaboration going too | 20:11 |
| heffer | slaine, i know him personally but i haven't contacted him regarding this matter yet | 20:11 |
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| slaine | ok, well then you'll know he's managing the Moblin/MeeGo rpms for Fedora so | 20:12 |
| heffer | we're pretty much in the planning phase of this collaboration and i was the one that stepped up to kick it off | 20:12 |
| slaine | though, this is an rpm workshop rather than anything specific | 20:12 |
| slaine | good man | 20:12 |
| lbt | so heffer are you busy this sunday night ;) | 20:13 |
| slaine | I think alot of the maemo guys would really appreciate an expert about the place | 20:13 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Repository_working_group | 20:13 |
| heffer | and i got backing from some RedHat guys so i hope that we can establish a good relationship with Meego | 20:13 |
| lbt | that group ^^ will be having our first meeting | 20:14 |
| * CosmoHill noms dinner | 20:14 | |
| heffer | lbt, i see you have Andreas Osowski on board. he's one of our guys and I know him personally as well | 20:17 |
| lbt | http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev | 20:17 |
| lbt | and sadly he worked like a champ to arrange this and then it looks like he can't make it | 20:17 |
| lbt | as it is I'll be running into a hotel somewhere in Helsinki... | 20:17 |
| heffer | i'm on meego-dev already :) | 20:18 |
| lbt | 'k | 20:18 |
| heffer | okay so when is this meeting going to be? | 20:19 |
| slaine | was just about to ask that | 20:19 |
| lbt | so, I think we need to wait until the code is out | 20:19 |
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| lbt | http://doodle.com/wg3pp9yyxcmfk7sd | 20:19 |
| lbt | heh thought I posted it | 20:19 |
| slaine | I thought it was supposed to be postponed until after the TSG meeting. | 20:19 |
| kebax | when the code is going to be out? | 20:19 |
| lbt | I hope not - I was glad the TSG was postponed | 20:20 |
| lbt | I want to tell them what to do ;) | 20:20 |
| slaine | lmao | 20:20 |
| slaine | good one lbt | 20:20 |
| * lbt is serious :) | 20:20 | |
| slaine | I think it'll be a case of "this is what we're doing" | 20:20 |
| heffer | lbt, okay I added myself | 20:20 |
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| lbt | we should be proposing the best solutions and reasons for anti-decisions | 20:20 |
| lbt | and ease their load | 20:20 |
| lbt | and estalish community credibility | 20:21 |
| slaine | lbt, you and both know thats not what they want right now | 20:21 |
| slaine | ^I | 20:21 |
| lbt | really? | 20:21 |
| lbt | this area isn't contentious | 20:21 |
| lbt | there's some discussion to be had about providing build service resource | 20:22 |
| lbt | but we can put an Extras proposal up | 20:22 |
| slaine | yes, thats true, but my understanding was that we where being told this as part of the TSG | 20:22 |
| lbt | nah - read the agenda | 20:22 |
| lbt | the WGs need to get their acts together | 20:23 |
| lbt | and then present coherent proposals to the TSG | 20:23 |
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| slaine | right | 20:23 |
| lbt | if we're a bit off the wall (Debian pkging springs to mind) | 20:23 |
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| slaine | Perhaps I'm wrong so, I've not been involved in a community setup like this before | 20:23 |
| lbt | then they/we need to iterate until sane | 20:23 |
| lbt | We're kinda pulling in the maemo principles | 20:24 |
| lbt | JFDI | 20:24 |
| lbt | we have a reasonable remit | 20:24 |
| slaine | But based on what Imad had posted on the list earlier in the week, I took it that they'll be telling us what they've decided is happening for release | 20:24 |
| * slaine isn't trying to shit stir here | 20:24 | |
| lbt | Oh, there'll be variations... sure | 20:24 |
| lbt | but if we say "A" and they say "B" then we know where we stand | 20:25 |
| lbt | and we can agree on A,B or C | 20:25 |
| slaine | ok | 20:25 |
| lbt | ideally A and A' | 20:25 |
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| slaine | we'll just have to wait and see I guess | 20:25 |
| lbt | hmmm, I disagree | 20:26 |
| CosmoHill | bacon! | 20:26 |
| * CosmoHill backreads a bi | 20:26 | |
| lbt | I think there are a lot of calls to action | 20:26 |
| CosmoHill | bit* | 20:26 |
| lbt | not calls to wait and see | 20:26 |
| lbt | :) | 20:26 |
| slaine | hehe | 20:26 |
| slaine | So the plan then is to get together on Sunday at 20:00 UTC for a repo WG meeting, we then agree on what we agree on, and put forward a proposal to TSG | 20:27 |
| lbt | essentially | 20:27 |
| slaine | cool | 20:27 |
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| slaine | I'm already signed up | 20:27 |
| slaine | I've my folks over for sunday dinner, so I just hope I remember :) | 20:27 |
| lbt | heh | 20:27 |
| * lbt looks for a clue who slaine is.... | 20:28 | |
| lbt | Adrian? | 20:28 |
| slaine | nope | 20:28 |
| lbt | oh, you're on the wiki | 20:28 |
| heffer | lbt, /whois helps :D | 20:28 |
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| lbt | not the doodle | 20:28 |
| lbt | oh yeah <blush> | 20:29 |
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| slaine | http://slaine.org | 20:29 |
| lbt | ah... a "3rd party repo" guy.... | 20:30 |
| CosmoHill | damn web brower, history keeps disapearing | 20:30 |
| lbt | we tried to eradicate your kind in maemo.org ;) | 20:30 |
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| CosmoHill | I have your name now :) | 20:30 |
| slaine | I'm hoping to be made redundant | 20:30 |
| lbt | actually we tried to remove any incentive to need to do that :) | 20:30 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: and your's too | 20:30 |
| lbt | which is better | 20:30 |
| slaine | I'm only doing it 'cause there was nothing else for Moblin | 20:30 |
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| lbt | (CosmoHill: ah, hifi.... meant to comment on that .... l8r) | 20:31 |
| mikhas | slaine/slaine/blog/blog - you sure love redundancy! | 20:31 |
| slaine | feckin crappy software more like | 20:31 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: the subwoofer i linked to yesterday? | 20:31 |
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| slaine | I'm too lazy to setup something else | 20:31 |
| slaine | I rarely blog anyways | 20:31 |
| lbt | slaine: heffer, yeah, the whole OBS thing should make a lot of that unneeded.... *if* we do it right | 20:31 |
| slaine | nod | 20:32 |
| slaine | that's why I wanted to be involved | 20:32 |
| slaine | there shouldn't be a need for something like my repo | 20:32 |
| lbt | part of what I want meego OBS to do is host home:user projects as the openSuse OBS does | 20:32 |
| heffer | i never worked with OBS before so i'm probably not qualified on commenting that :D | 20:32 |
| lbt | heffer: you're going to like it I think | 20:32 |
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| lbt | it's not a build system | 20:32 |
| lbt | it's a build system manager/scheduler | 20:33 |
| heffer | basically what koji is for us in Fedora | 20:33 |
| heffer | internally it uses mock for building | 20:33 |
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| lbt | the nice thing about OBS is it works for Debian/UBuntu/RH/Fedora/SLES.... | 20:34 |
| * CosmoHill wonders how old slaine is | 20:34 | |
| heffer | personal repositories unfortunately is not part of koji yet. see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating/KojiPersonalRepos | 20:34 |
| heffer | lbt, that is indeed very nice | 20:34 |
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| heffer | koji can't do that | 20:34 |
| lbt | we built Mer which is ubuntu based... using OBS | 20:34 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: I'm ancient | 20:34 |
| lbt | heffer: I'd love to see mainstream distros looking at OBS more seriously | 20:35 |
| lbt | projects like KDE use it to provide multi-distro packages | 20:35 |
| lbt | (oh and it supports multi-arch too) | 20:35 |
| heffer | okay so when I'm getting deeply involved with MeeGo i might want to get a N900 then :D | 20:35 |
| lbt | get one anyway... the most open phone you can buy today | 20:36 |
| * lbt loves his N900 | 20:36 | |
| heffer | first i need to scrape the money together :D | 20:37 |
| leinir | absolutely agree, thing's brilliant :) | 20:37 |
| slaine | in fairness, the first release will be for netbooks | 20:37 |
| lbt | slaine: don't be so sure... | 20:37 |
| slaine | but I'd love to get some sort of ARM box for testing/dev on | 20:37 |
| lbt | as soon as the code is out there's some hackers who can already dual boot N900 | 20:37 |
| heffer | 490€ + shipping is the cheapest i can find atm :D | 20:38 |
| slaine | lbt, when was Harmattan due for shipping ? | 20:38 |
| * lbt is ashamed not to have Mer on his | 20:38 | |
| lbt | no clue about H | 20:38 |
| lbt | bbias | 20:38 |
| slaine | based on how Intel have managed Moblin previously, I'm guessing that code won't be released until they have at least a meego 1.0 for netbooks beta image available for use | 20:39 |
| slaine | also, given the timelines, I'm sure that we'll see MeeGo 1.0 by April 15-17 | 20:39 |
| ml-mobile | slaine: beagleboard is probably your best bet | 20:39 |
| slaine | ml-mobile: yeah, was looking at that | 20:40 |
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| slaine | I'm also in the process of trying to get a Tegra dev board | 20:40 |
| heffer | okay i'm away for now | 20:41 |
| heffer | serious BBQ going on | 20:41 |
| CosmoHill | slaine: I'd love an ARM / MIPS box too | 20:41 |
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| ml-mobile | kinda sucks that most dev kits cost several thousand | 20:42 |
| CosmoHill | :o | 20:42 |
| ml-mobile | most that aren't mostly bare boards, at least | 20:43 |
| slaine | I'm doing it through work though as I do have an actual project in the works that I'd like to use MeeGo on | 20:43 |
| ml-mobile | cool | 20:43 |
| CosmoHill | would be good if you could get some kind of PCI / PCI-E ARM add in card that you can run stuff on | 20:44 |
| lbt | slaine: Meego code will be out before April 1 :) | 20:44 |
| lbt | it's been announced | 20:44 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: ? | 20:44 |
| lbt | buy any cheap ARM based device | 20:45 |
| lbt | SmartQ, N800 | 20:45 |
| lbt | and 99% of the development is done via qemu | 20:45 |
| lbt | you guys are going to be in for an amazingly nice surprise when you type "osc build my-qt-app meego arm7vel" | 20:46 |
| lbt | and a short while later get an arm rpm built on your desktop | 20:46 |
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| slaine | that will rock alright | 20:47 |
| slaine | lbt, I must have missed have that announcement, got a url ? | 20:48 |
| lbt | http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/towards-day-one | 20:50 |
| lbt | "Nokia and Intel have set the target to open the MeeGo repository by the end of this month." | 20:50 |
| slaine | Oh right, I read that, but obviously it didn't sink in | 20:51 |
| slaine | thanks | 20:51 |
| lbt | np | 20:51 |
| slaine | ah yes, the famous paragraph that mentioned the n900 too | 20:52 |
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| gaveen | lbt, any idea about which parts / tools are going to be out on day 1? | 20:58 |
| lbt | no, sorry, I have no special knowledge | 20:58 |
| gaveen | lbt, np, I don't suppose we'd have a full stack. Just curious about what sort of dev env / toolbox we'd have | 21:00 |
| slaine | phre, qt-doc is a beast of a download | 21:00 |
| slaine | s/phre/phew | 21:00 |
| * CosmoHill needs to play games and chill out | 21:01 | |
| slaine | it'll be worth it for my n00b skillz with qt | 21:01 |
| lbt | gaveen: oh, I expect a fairly full stack. No phone apps of course - but X should be there. Most everything in Moblin :) | 21:01 |
| lbt | my advice right now is to go learn OBS | 21:01 |
| gaveen | lbt, that's my guess too :) | 21:02 |
| gaveen | lbt, any pointers to good resources regarding OBS (for Moblin)? | 21:02 |
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| lbt | gaveen: well, you can run this deb-oriented tutorial I wrote : http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build | 21:03 |
| lbt | it's enough to get you into OBS | 21:03 |
| lbt | then find some rpm stuff on the openSuse OBS and try that... | 21:03 |
| gaveen | lbt, thanks, already found http://en.opensuse.org/Moblin/Build_Service | 21:04 |
| lbt | just treat it as a disposable playtime | 21:04 |
| lbt | yeah - that's suse's "moblin compliant" I think | 21:04 |
| lbt | OK.... bbl8r | 21:04 |
| gaveen | lbt, thanks for the advice. I sure am excited. Although I haven't used OBS have packaged RPMs before. Will try those | 21:05 |
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| Stskeeps | would probably be good to take the (sane) stance that closed source does not belong in the shared system amongst all devices. but in hardware support parts closed source may exist but the project will hand-held the vendor towards being more open | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | hand-hold, that is | 21:40 |
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| leinir | Stskeeps++ | 21:41 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: wasn't that already covered ? | 21:47 |
| slaine | I'm sure I saw something to that effect on the meego site | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | well, i kinda hope so | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | except you're expecting people to actually read those materials | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:49 |
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| leinir | Common sense has never stopped anybody from having a nice, hefty zealoty rant ;) | 21:50 |
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| * Cosmo[PB] stabs netgear | 21:51 | |
| Cosmo[PB] | what routers / modem / all in one boxes do you guys have? | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | i like my asus wl500gp | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | not a modem though | 21:51 |
| Cosmo[PB] | oh poop, i left my laptop in my bag on standby | 21:52 |
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| slaine | Why am I still in the office | 22:01 |
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| slaine | Catch you guys over the weekend | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | have fun | 22:02 |
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| * mmeeks wonders what happened to the 1st TCS meeting scheduled for now ... | 22:04 | |
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| mmeeks | s/TCS/TSC/ | 22:04 |
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| Stskeeps | mmeeks: it was moved to wednesday | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | it was on mailing list | 22:05 |
| mmeeks | Stskeeps: urgh; presumably in a different thread ? :-) | 22:05 |
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| Stskeeps | [Meego-community] TSG meeting moved to Wednesday 24 , on meego-dev as well | 22:06 |
| Cosmo[PB] | thanks Stskeeps | 22:07 |
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| * mmeeks just doesn't see that mail | 22:08 | |
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| Cosmo[PB] | lol :p | 22:12 |
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| th0br0 | uhh, Stskeeps, my mails never made it to the ml? | 22:12 |
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| Stskeeps | don't think so | 22:13 |
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| th0br0 | :S | 22:14 |
| th0br0 | just resent them | 22:14 |
| th0br0 | we'll see in a bit | 22:14 |
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| Cosmo[PB] | wb | 22:14 |
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| th0br0 | uhh Stskeeps should the mail not arrive within the next 10-15 min, would you mind sending it for me? :D | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 22:25 |
| th0br0 | ah it arrived :D | 22:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lbt, hmm? | 22:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, Wikipedia isn't a project a contribute to anymore. | 22:38 |
| lbt | just the meego entry... | 22:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lbt, yeah, too many run-ins with teapot dictator administrators. | 22:43 |
| lbt | np... just mentioning it | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a place I want to waste my time trying to improve anymore when everybody administration-side seems interested only in forwarding their own messed up agendas and making actual, positive work impossible. | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a sick culture over there. | 22:44 |
| * Stskeeps submits his thoughts on the whole n900 questions thread | 22:44 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:44 |
| lbt | maybe qgil or dawn should update it | 22:44 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I deleted my reply... | 22:45 |
| lbt | it started "you do realise there is no plasma gun?" | 22:46 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt, i personally think we found a reasonable middle way in Mer which those who were not extremists were able to accept | 22:46 |
| * Stskeeps thinks the extremists are a minority compared to the practically minded people | 22:46 | |
| lbt | *nod* | 22:46 |
| lbt | yep, vocal minority | 22:47 |
| lbt | seems jebba was actually quite black/white | 22:47 |
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| lbt | we had a nice long chat in pm but he got stressed out over the closed forum | 22:47 |
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| th0br0 | just what is that lo~ng 900 questions thread about? | 22:48 |
| lbt | I'm taking the line: "If you don't join in until it's 100% free and there's no more work to do then you're just another freeloader" | 22:48 |
| lbt | th0br0: it meanders | 22:49 |
| * lbt thinks people are killing time until the code appears | 22:50 | |
| th0br0 | likely so. | 22:51 |
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| th0br0 | after all, it's been umm 1 month already and there is no real foundation for this community yet | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | it's coming wednesday | 22:52 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt, it's more of a full-picture view than a black and white one.. wanting to grow foss ecosystem, except people's methods on doing so differ | 22:53 |
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| * Stskeeps thinks a successful project with a closed forum contributes more than a nonsuccessful project with a open forum :P | 22:54 | |
| w00t | lbt: Stskeeps: open source, ninja style | 22:55 |
| w00t | :P | 22:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lbt, plus the poison. | 23:07 |
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| lbt | GeneralAntilles: ? | 23:17 |
| * lbt lost context | 23:17 | |
| GeneralAntilles | jebba brought an awful lot of poison to the table. | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | but also contributions. | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully enough to offset the enthusiasm-killing attitude. | 23:18 |
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| Stskeeps | lo wazd | 23:19 |
| burchr | GeneralAntilles: a lot of people have rather poisonous attitudes from time to time | 23:20 |
| burchr | GeneralAntilles: people can change | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | burchr, no doubt, I count myself among them more often than I'd like. | 23:20 |
| burchr | GeneralAntilles: I'll treat that as an invitation to slap you when I notice you doing it. *g* | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I welcome the helpful attitude retraining. ;) | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | we can avoid this stuff by just admit we're chinese semi-capitalistic communists instead of gpl american communist | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:21 |
| * VDVsx wonders how we can register a irc channel 0.o something changed ... | 23:22 | |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 23:22 |
| th0br0 | VDVsx: ? | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | what are you running into? | 23:23 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: heyhey :) | 23:23 |
| VDVsx | s/we/he :p | 23:23 |
| VDVsx | I want to register the -testing channel for the marathons | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | maemo- or meego-? | 23:24 |
| VDVsx | but don't have enough irc skills it seems, register doesn't work :( | 23:24 |
| VDVsx | maemo | 23:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, /msg chanserv help | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | for maemo- ask the group contacts | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or talk to X-Fade, yeah. | 23:24 |
| VDVsx | :( | 23:24 |
| VDVsx | he's off | 23:24 |
| VDVsx | baahhh | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, /msg chanserv help | 23:25 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, and ? I know that , lol | 23:25 |
| th0br0 | which testing channel, VDVsx? | 23:25 |
| VDVsx | maemo-testing | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, just read the help and register, then. :P | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: what error are you getting? | 23:26 |
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| VDVsx | ups, just noticed that I'm talking at meego :p | 23:26 |
| VDVsx | :D | 23:26 |
| * GeneralAntilles knows who EIPI is talking about in question #8. . . . *eg* | 23:26 | |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, need to be op | 23:27 |
| VDVsx | I'll try the freenode staff :) | 23:27 |
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| Pedrito | Hola a todos | 23:41 |
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| Cosmo[PB] | hey | 23:41 |
| Pedrito | Cosmo | 23:41 |
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| th0br0 | bye bye | 23:58 |
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