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| th0br0 | right Stskeeps looks like it'll be next sunday. | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 08:48 |
| th0br0 | any time preference there on your side? lbt put his cross for all choices there ... | 08:51 |
| th0br0 | or well, i guess i'll just create a new poll and send that one to the mailing list | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | no time preferences, but not before 10am and before midnight ;) | 08:57 |
| th0br0 | true :D | 08:57 |
| th0br0 | any idea on a rough agenda already? | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | i don't have one at 8am :) | 08:58 |
| th0br0 | it'd be great if we could at least have some official there who's currently involved with packaging to inform us in more detail about the current situation | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:58 |
| th0br0 | haha me neither :) ok. | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | 1. Discuss scope and areas | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | and making the proposal into a publish-able one for approval | 08:59 |
| th0br0 | Introduced OBS to Maemo and working on Nokia build infrastructure. << maybe lbt knows about this | 08:59 |
| th0br0 | he put that in his contribution info | 09:00 |
| th0br0 | but yah we'll just see | 09:00 |
| th0br0 | we should try to get anaZ maybe; he is the one who put up the Packaging/Guidelines wiki page | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | on a sidenote, what's your background? | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | (just curious) | 09:03 |
| th0br0 | sent | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | k | 09:04 |
| th0br0 | mine? been packaging rpms for fedora for the past year. | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 09:04 |
| th0br0 | nothing more actually ;) i wanted to dive into maemo one day before meego was announced :S | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | day zero was a madhouse for me, heh | 09:07 |
| tmzt_ | hey keeps finally made it | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | lo tmzt_ | 09:08 |
| tmzt_ | obs is hosted or still at opensuse? | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | seperate instance of meego obs, binaries/sources still not out yet though | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:09 |
| tmzt_ | I finally have my own internet so I can do more offline building of whatever | 09:12 |
| markey | morning | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | we're basically waiting for day zero when the arm stuff comes out :P | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | err, day one | 09:16 |
| th0br0 | ah, day 1 will be arm only? | 09:19 |
| th0br0 | morning markey | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | well no, but the first release | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | would be silly it being arm only | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:19 |
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| th0br0 | indeed :D | 09:20 |
| dockside | day one will be source i hope | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | that too | 09:22 |
| th0br0 | would you call that spam "We, the Forum Nokia N900 http://www.sygysweb.nl follow developments with interest Meego. (And hoping for results soon)" (on the doodle poll) ;) | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | good question | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:29 |
| th0br0 | especially as that's some flirt-page | 09:30 |
| th0br0 | lol. | 09:30 |
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| th0br0 | http://www.sygysweb.nl/n900forum/ ah well | 09:31 |
| dockside | hm i want one of those pixel qi screen kits, damn hard to read in this sun light | 09:39 |
| dockside | Oh it was in dutch | 09:40 |
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| bleeter | gah still no n900 release in .au - at this rate meego will be out before the n900! | 13:59 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 14:00 |
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| hopey | got n900 and can't wait to get to test meego... and finally broke my phone as I promised to do during the first week I get it | 14:01 |
| hopey | goal was to get it into a condition where making a phone call is impossible | 14:01 |
| hopey | I've had it already for several months, so what can I say, I fail | 14:02 |
| lcuk | hopey, sorry, we will make sure you can break your meego device within 7 days of purchase in future | 14:06 |
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| hopey | maybe I just didn't try hard enough: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36312 | 14:13 |
| lcuk | hopey, but thats a fun game to play | 14:14 |
| * lcuk has an uber high score on it | 14:14 | |
| * CosmoHill looks at the screen shot and blinks | 14:15 | |
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| hopey | I'll try it out | 14:15 |
| lcuk | lol hopey b careful! | 14:15 |
| lcuk | 2.51m | 14:15 |
| lcuk | on the stairs. | 14:15 |
| lcuk | (whole sleeping bag round it) | 14:15 |
| MiXu- | breaking a linux phone where you can get root priviliges is a nobrainer :) | 14:16 |
| lcuk | MiXu-, i can drive my car into the wall if i want but i try best not to. the same with maemo | 14:17 |
| MiXu- | yep | 14:17 |
| hopey | well sure, you can rm -rf * / but... | 14:17 |
| hopey | 1m is best I dare to do atm | 14:17 |
| lcuk | i started wrapping my device in sleeping bag after it hit the..ceiling | 14:18 |
| MiXu- | :D | 14:18 |
| CosmoHill | oh crap, it's mother's day | 14:19 |
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| ShadowJK | "Core features dependant on region, carrier and device are simply not good enough for consumers who spend a significant sum of money on a handset. For developers the uncertainty creates design decisions ultimately impacting the user, producing a disjoint experiences" | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | that one is a bit difficult to parse | 15:03 |
| ShadowJK | it's actually a rant about android ;) | 15:04 |
| ShadowJK | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/feature/1594673/popularity-killing-android | 15:04 |
| ShadowJK | fragmentation vs coherence I guess | 15:06 |
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| CosmoHill | i hope the logbots don't include join / part messages | 18:11 |
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| Jaffa | CosmoHill: Shush, you'll cause a stampede ;-) | 18:21 |
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| CosmoHill | tuesday: 400 people joined, 420 people left, 7 people said something | 18:22 |
| CosmoHill | 0 people said something of interest | 18:22 |
| andres | Compared to #meego some weeks ago thats dead-silent | 18:23 |
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| javispedro | yes, I wonder why... | 18:24 |
| javispedro | :) | 18:24 |
| * CosmoHill is doing his C++ assignment | 18:25 | |
| CosmoHill | :) | 18:25 |
| CosmoHill | not that i should have started this 2 weeks ago | 18:25 |
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| GAN900 | andres, no code, little visible activity. | 18:31 |
| CosmoHill | aahhhhhhh | 18:31 |
| CosmoHill | i deleted main.cpp by accident | 18:31 |
| GAN900 | andres, hard to contribute to a vacuum. | 18:31 |
| CosmoHill | aaaahhhhh | 18:31 |
| * Jaffa twiddles his thumbs noisily. | 18:32 | |
| lbt | shh | 18:32 |
| * Jaffa imagines lbt as the ghostly librarian at the start of Ghostbusters. | 18:34 | |
| Jaffa | It's a disturbing thought, TBH ;-) | 18:34 |
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| lbt | heh | 18:36 |
| * lbt considers making a ghostly cisco vpnclient | 18:36 | |
| lbt | by kicking the living s**t out of it!! | 18:36 |
| lbt | aaaarggh | 18:36 |
| * javispedro hears that tune. yes that tune. | 18:37 | |
| javispedro | now I won't get it out of my head for hours. | 18:37 |
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| summel | javispedro: i know why :P | 18:50 |
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| CosmoHill | how long have you guys been using linux? | 18:57 |
| szbalint | about 3 hours | 18:57 |
| CosmoHill | i like your answer | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | 17:57:27 up 10:39, 11 users, load average: 0.15, 0.15, 0.09 | 18:57 |
| CosmoHill | 16:39:41 up 105 days, 18:48, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | i would probably have more if i didn't turn off my laptop at times :P | 18:58 |
| CosmoHill | hehe | 18:58 |
| CosmoHill | this is my server | 18:58 |
| CosmoHill | i need to reboot at some point cos of some kernel changes to the iptables tracker thing | 18:58 |
| * thiago_home has just arrived home from Portland | 19:00 | |
| CosmoHill | yay | 19:01 |
| leinir | Uptime: 2 days, 4 hours and 57 minutes | 19:01 |
| leinir | not that long this time 'round, it seems ;) | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: had a good time there? | 19:01 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps: yes | 19:02 |
| thiago_home | all the way until I started coming home | 19:02 |
| thiago_home | flight from PDX to SFO got delayed, then I got rebooked to the next morning | 19:02 |
| thiago_home | then today I arrive in Frankfurt and they can't find my reservation | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | that sounds a bit nightmare-ish :P | 19:02 |
| thiago_home | yeah | 19:03 |
| thiago_home | called travel agency and had them book me on the first flight out | 19:03 |
| thiago_home | $1000 though | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | business trip though, i assume | 19:03 |
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| thiago_home | yup | 19:03 |
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| thiago_home | someone is going to foot that bill, because it's not my fault | 19:03 |
| CosmoHill | wait, you flew to there, didn't get into your hotel and flew back? | 19:05 |
| thiago_home | I flew to the US, got to the conference, had a very productive time there | 19:05 |
| thiago_home | got to meet mmeeks, for example :-) | 19:05 |
| CosmoHill | so he's not a computer in a basement? | 19:05 |
| * mmeeks waves suitably at thiago_home etc. | 19:05 | |
| mmeeks | :-) | 19:06 |
| thiago_home | it started to go wrong again when I got to PDX to come home | 19:06 |
| * CosmoHill waves to mmeeks | 19:06 | |
| thiago_home | CosmoHill: no | 19:06 |
| thiago_home | or it's a super sophisticated computer that has an avatar | 19:06 |
| thiago_home | :-P | 19:06 |
| mmeeks | heh | 19:06 |
| SWFu64 | When will the build for the n900 be ready? aprox. | 19:06 |
| * mmeeks makes some more grisly mistakes to prove his humanity etc. ... | 19:06 | |
| thiago_home | SWFu64: there's nothing ready | 19:07 |
| thiago_home | and it's ready when it's ready | 19:07 |
| SWFu64 | lol | 19:07 |
| thiago_home | also, it will be out when it's ready | 19:07 |
| CosmoHill | SWFu64: there isn't a build, for anything | 19:07 |
| SWFu64 | jeez | 19:07 |
| szbalint | by christmas? Not telling which year though ;-) | 19:07 |
| CosmoHill | i don't think there is even a repo yet | 19:07 |
| summel | SWFu64: i would ask if the first release would be appropriate for end-users or if it is more like moblin and you dont really want to use it :D | 19:07 |
| thiago_home | szbalint: I'd hope for something sooner | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | SWFu64: http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/towards-day-one , 'Nokia and Intel have set the target to open the MeeGo repository by the end of this month. I guess this is something that finally will signify the real "Day One" of MeeGo project, a genuine merger of moblin and maemo. What is scheduled to be available then is the first and very raw baseline to a source and binary repository to build MeeGo trunk on Intel ... | 19:07 |
| thiago_home | we're working towards something sooner | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | ... ATOM boards and Nokia N900.' | 19:08 |
| CosmoHill | szbalint: you sound like the release guy for grand turismo | 19:08 |
| szbalint | sorry, just the standing joke from the Perl 6 community... | 19:08 |
| thiago_home | szbalint: like Duke Nukem Forever? | 19:08 |
| thiago_home | "in two weeks" | 19:08 |
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| SWFu64 | I love the fact I ask a simple question yet get a simple answer 1:1, just wondering guys. | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | you got the exact info that's public :P | 19:11 |
| summel | but i want to know whats not public :P | 19:12 |
| tmzt_ | so I'm trying to see if there's ever going to be any hope for a modern soc that can be fully supported in qemu in a non devboard design | 19:13 |
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| Stskeeps | tmzt_: n8x0 was actually supposed | 19:13 |
| VDVsx | summel, how much are you willing to pay for that ? :D | 19:13 |
| tmzt_ | yeah, just saw that | 19:13 |
| tmzt_ | but I don't want nand just yet | 19:13 |
| summel | VDVsx: :O | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | summel: you're assuming you'll want to hear what's not public | 19:13 |
| lbt | summel: previously unreleased estimate: it will be ready in 15 days 6 hours and 3 minutes | 19:13 |
| tmzt_ | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2008/04/11/nokia-n800-emulation/ | 19:14 |
| summel | i dont like to pay. thats why i use linux :P and why i dont like the ovi store :P | 19:14 |
| SWFu64 | .5 | 19:14 |
| tmzt_ | found that looking for usb client support, I don't want to use ethernet | 19:14 |
| summel | lbt: thx :D | 19:14 |
| * lbt checks with his cat and revises estimate since she wants more biscuits... | 19:14 | |
| lbt | I'm not sure where she gets her info though... | 19:14 |
| summel | well... so i can sue you and your cat if the info is wrong :D | 19:15 |
| lbt | you can sue my cat | 19:15 |
| summel | you gave her biscuits! :O | 19:15 |
| lbt | warning though ... she's an assassin cat... | 19:15 |
| summel | :P | 19:15 |
| VDVsx | summel, , careful with that, heard that cats can get layers in Switzerland | 19:16 |
| VDVsx | I think lbt's cat is from there :D | 19:16 |
| summel | layers? | 19:16 |
| SWFu64 | Swiss biscuits are the best | 19:16 |
| lbt | cat solicitors | 19:16 |
| summel | like satelite and maps? :P | 19:16 |
| summel | google cat maps | 19:17 |
| VDVsx | err, * lawyers | 19:17 |
| summel | xD | 19:17 |
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| tmzt_ | ah, so n800 is not upstream? | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | right | 19:18 |
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| messenger | hi is the meego messenger open source? | 23:42 |
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| Guest45046 | hello is the meego messenger open source? | 23:42 |
| thiago_home | what meego messenger? | 23:43 |
| thiago_home | and you don't need to repeat your questions | 23:43 |
| Guest45046 | nokia develops one | 23:44 |
| thiago_home | I don't see one | 23:44 |
| Guest45046 | http://sf.net/projects/meegomessenger is another one | 23:44 |
| VDVsx | there's no official meego code released yet | 23:45 |
| thiago_home | Maemo uses a Telepathy-based instant-messaging client | 23:45 |
| Guest45046 | for meego or for messenger, yes telepathy, but will it be open? | 23:45 |
| Guest45046 | Kate is working on it | 23:46 |
| Guest45046 | want to ask, to make a common project with sf.net project | 23:46 |
| leinir | i bloody well hope not | 23:46 |
| leinir | sf.net is horrible :P | 23:46 |
| javispedro | meegomessenger already? O.o | 23:47 |
| leinir | and more seriously, if you can wait just a liiiittle bit longer... you know, until there's code released... basically what VDVsx said ;) | 23:47 |
| thiago_home | Guest45046: all of MeeGo's base distribution and reference apps will be open source | 23:47 |
| thiago_home | ALL of it | 23:47 |
| thiago_home | so anything you find in meego.com will be open source | 23:47 |
| Guest45046 | ok cool, then maybe we can add retroshare.sf.net to meegomessenger from nokia | 23:47 |
| Guest45046 | either in gui or in telepathy | 23:48 |
| thiago_home | Telepathy | 23:48 |
| thiago_home | start doing it now | 23:48 |
| Guest45046 | is someone working on/with telepathy to get retroshare.sf.net in? | 23:48 |
| VDVsx | with Qt | 23:48 |
| Guest45046 | you? | 23:48 |
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| thiago_home | I have never heard of retroshare | 23:48 |
| thiago_home | if you want to ask if someone is working on retroshare support for Telepathy, you should ask retroshare developers and Telepathy developers | 23:49 |
| thiago_home | not us | 23:49 |
| Guest45046 | true | 23:49 |
| VDVsx | perhaps there's a #telepathy channel | 23:50 |
| Guest45046 | but as no one acts, we make the mobile retroshare messenger called meegomessenger.sf.net | 23:50 |
| * thiago_home doubts MeeGo Messenger will exist as such | 23:50 | |
| thopiekar | are there any news from intel about the poulsbo graphicsdriver? | 23:51 |
| thiago_home | it will be a thin UI wrapper around Telepathy and Qt Mobility Messaging | 23:51 |
| leinir | wxwidgets... that's an "interesting" choice for a meego app ;) | 23:51 |
| Guest45046 | yes and why not serverless retroshare? | 23:51 |
| thiago_home | and the UI may vary according to vertical | 23:51 |
| thopiekar | the old one is outdated and doesn'T work | 23:51 |
| thiago_home | serverless = Telepathy | 23:51 |
| Guest45046 | that is old webpage from retromessenger.sf.net which is the wx gui for libretroshare | 23:51 |
| thiago_home | first step: make it work with Telepathy | 23:52 |
| thiago_home | second step: analyse what MeeGo will have for IM UI | 23:52 |
| thiago_home | second step is not possible yet | 23:52 |
| leinir | So, back to step 1 | 23:52 |
| leinir | rinse and repeat ;) | 23:52 |
| javispedro | because step zero was "wait" as leinir said... | 23:53 |
| Guest45046 | my point is, that making a messenger is in our eys not only adding 1+1 telepathy and qt | 23:53 |
| thiago_home | there is no step zero | 23:53 |
| thiago_home | start in step one | 23:53 |
| Guest45046 | but it needs a post merger phase as well, and here added value is encrypted serverless chat | 23:54 |
| Guest45046 | so please either invest in libretroshare in telepathy | 23:54 |
| Guest45046 | or we have a second messenger for secure chat | 23:54 |
| thiago_home | yes, please invest in Telepathy | 23:54 |
| Guest45046 | we are open for integration | 23:54 |
| thiago_home | why don't you do it? | 23:54 |
| Guest45046 | i am not a coder | 23:54 |
| thiago_home | then have someone do it | 23:54 |
| javispedro | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/telepathy/2008-September/002248.html | 23:54 |
| Guest45046 | what is that outdated? | 23:55 |
| Guest45046 | 3 years old | 23:55 |
| javispedro | well the basics have not changed much... | 23:55 |
| Guest45046 | wrong , libretroshare is based on gnupg | 23:56 |
| javispedro | both maemo and moblin have been using telepathy as the backend for their respective chat applications | 23:56 |
| Guest45046 | cool | 23:56 |
| Guest45046 | libretroshare is still missing, | 23:56 |
| thiago_home | yes | 23:56 |
| Guest45046 | that is the point for telepathy | 23:56 |
| thiago_home | so you make it happen | 23:56 |
| thiago_home | make Telepathy and retroshare work together | 23:57 |
| Guest45046 | that is the right direction, but if there is no one interested, we need to see where the sf.net project goes | 23:59 |
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