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| CosmoHill | btw does meego use glibc or eglibc or even ulibc? | 01:01 |
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| CosmoHill | reworded: what C library does meego use? | 01:01 |
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| lupine_85 | it'll be uclibc, I bet | 01:02 |
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| jebba | no, it'll use glibc | 01:15 |
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| lupine_85 | that featureful, eh | 01:16 |
| lupine_85 | then again, seems maemo uses that too | 01:17 |
| jebba | and moblin | 01:18 |
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| arachnist | uclibc is not worth the hassle these days, most of the time. | 01:22 |
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| arachnist | unless one wants to build a really embedded system, where there's only a few MB of space | 01:23 |
| lupine_85 | mm | 01:23 |
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| lupine_85 | I guess I'm used to 4MB devices ;) | 01:23 |
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| lupine_85 | 'though 220MB is already seeming cramped | 01:24 |
| lupine_85 | hmm? | 01:24 |
| CosmoHill | have you ever been in #lfs-support? | 01:24 |
| lupine_85 | nope | 01:24 |
| CosmoHill | fair enough | 01:24 |
| lupine_85 | ok, time to reboot my router. brb - if the squeeze update works! | 01:26 |
| lupine_85 | otherwise, I'll be hunting for a monitor... | 01:26 |
| CosmoHill | netgear? | 01:26 |
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| lupine_85 | kkk | 01:27 |
| lupine_85 | kekeke | 01:28 |
| lupine_85 | linux box with a linux SBC to handle the ADSL | 01:28 |
| lupine_85 | they talk to each other with pppoe | 01:28 |
| lupine_85 | and the reboot worked \o/ | 01:28 |
| lupine_85 | flawless | 01:28 |
| lupine_85 | I should set up a serial line, really | 01:29 |
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| lupine_85 | aaaargh. I'm still missing kernel options | 01:32 |
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| lupine_85 | argh, the meego server is failing my emails | 02:02 |
| lupine_85 | don't suppose there are any server admins hanging around? ;) | 02:03 |
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| lupine_85 | :p | 02:11 |
| lupine_85 | I got it in the end | 02:11 |
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| CosmoHill | damn goblins | 02:14 |
| CosmoHill | stealing your emails and stuff | 02:14 |
| CosmoHill | they had my DNS provider this morning | 02:14 |
| CosmoHill | anyway | 02:14 |
| CosmoHill | night night | 02:14 |
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| lupine_85 | woah, people are /still/ complaining about the switch to .rpm? | 03:01 |
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| netizen | i personally dont care, yes it may have a learning curve, but to truthful .rpm is feature rich and deployment code is tight | 03:03 |
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| lupine_85 | netizen: I care, but I can spot a lost cause when I see one :) | 03:26 |
| lupine_85 | rom'll do | 03:26 |
| lupine_85 | rpm* | 03:26 |
| netizen | its also easier for me to pick up and use again, but the issue is a good eight months away for me anyway | 03:29 |
| netizen | but you could be right :-) | 03:29 |
| bfree | with no code there's little else concrete to moan about ;-) | 03:30 |
| lupine_85 | hehe, this is true | 03:30 |
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| Emzzzz | http://imggmi.info/DSC-1268361724.jpg/ do my tits look big? | 04:48 |
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| villemv | Whoo, Bjarne is coming to finland | 11:01 |
| tybollt | bjarne? | 11:01 |
| villemv | yeah | 11:01 |
| villemv | the man | 11:01 |
| tybollt | mind my cat is named bjarne and he's going nowhere, god damn it! | 11:01 |
| tybollt | ;) | 11:01 |
| villemv | that's why I said bjarne-the-man, not bjarne-the-feline | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | bjarne surname? | 11:02 |
| villemv | stroustrup | 11:02 |
| tybollt | c++ bjarne | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:03 |
| tybollt | and I rescent your implications - my cat was not named after stroustrup - if anything he'd be named kernighan-richie ;P | 11:03 |
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| villemv | http://www.ixonos.com/index.php?mid=1440 | 11:05 |
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| ikke-t | tybollt: lol, good one! | 11:12 |
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| J_P | Meego will run in any x86 (intel, adm, via) or just intel atom and arm? | 14:06 |
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| slaine | J_P: They'll target just Atom with the offical releases | 14:10 |
| slaine | However, hopefully this time around, with a larger community and an open build system, we'll be able to generate generic x86 images | 14:10 |
| slaine | That's my goal | 14:10 |
| slaine | I want to run MeeGo Foundation as a base distro for embedded systems on generic x86 hardware | 14:11 |
| J_P | slaine: ok | 14:11 |
| slaine | I've tried this with Moblin 2.0 and 2.1 but not all their source rpms where rebuildable | 14:11 |
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| J_P | slaine: but for arm, will be eneric arm arch, not for just a company that make arm right? | 14:11 |
| slaine | I've no idea if it'll be arm5 or arm7 | 14:12 |
| slaine | perhaps there'll be both | 14:12 |
| X-Fade | I'm guessing 7 for N900 reference. | 14:12 |
| slaine | I might potentially be getting a Cortex A9 board to work on, so I'd like to see that supported (I think it's arm7 with extensions) | 14:12 |
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| J_P | slaine: I think suport >= cortex Ax is fine | 14:22 |
| slaine | I've no prior experience with arm arch so it'll be fun :) | 14:22 |
| J_P | slaine: they are vey more economy.. energy.. | 14:22 |
| J_P | mw per clock | 14:22 |
| J_P | anyway people will wnat to run in arm 9, arm 11, so I think the meego needs think this too | 14:23 |
| slaine | nod, that's why I'm investigating them | 14:23 |
| szbalint | I have no experience on this, but isn't arm and intel atom sort of converging from different directions on some middle ground? | 14:23 |
| slaine | 'ish | 14:24 |
| slaine | more like Intel are trying to drive x86 down into a power envelope that competes with ARM | 14:24 |
| slaine | And meanwhile, ARM are improving their core so that it performs better with each revision, while staying within that power envelope | 14:25 |
| szbalint | excellent | 14:25 |
| slaine | indeed, exciting times | 14:26 |
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| slaine | Of course, Intel are a long way off the ARM power envelope | 14:27 |
| slaine | But as they drive down, they're opening up new areas due to the ubiquitous nature of x86 software. | 14:27 |
| slaine | good example, http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/03/intels-nas-specific-atom-platform-hastens-pcification.ars | 14:28 |
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| szbalint | tbh, software I care about already runs on arm, but I can see the point of having closed source solutions work on it for those who like that kind of thing... | 14:33 |
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| J_P | The Big Merge is alive? | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 16:35 |
| J_P | Stskeeps: are there a ropadmap for meego? | 16:36 |
| J_P | *RoadMap | 16:36 |
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| Stskeeps | dunno | 16:36 |
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| TigerTael | There is, but not a public one. | 16:37 |
| J_P | TigerTael: why not. I read this in meego "The governance model is based on the principles of simplicity, efficiency, and transparent collaboration. The MeeGo project lives under the auspices of the Linux Foundation." | 16:39 |
| J_P | this is not transparency | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | day one has not started yet | 16:39 |
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| TigerTael | J_P, You're preaching to the choir... | 16:39 |
| TigerTael | But Stskeeps has a point. | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | and yes, we all agree, but there's no code | 16:39 |
| J_P | and http://meego.com/about/overview/faq is broken | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | and no organisation | 16:39 |
| slaine | they'yre going to do a big reveal | 16:39 |
| slaine | then we'll be allowed to get involved | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | at least it sounds like there's lofty goals | 16:40 |
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| TigerTael | A BIG REVEAL | 16:41 |
| TigerTael | It almost sounds exciting. | 16:41 |
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| slaine | "Tadaaaa, look what we made" | 16:41 |
| TigerTael | yeah | 16:41 |
| slaine | in other words, from where we're standing, nothing has changed from maemo/moblin mentality | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | which sucks, agreed | 16:42 |
| RST38h | hehe | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | but let's get off to a better start on day one | 16:42 |
| slaine | I can understand why, so I'm not flaming | 16:42 |
| slaine | not yet ;) | 16:42 |
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| Stskeeps | after day one we can whine as much as we want.. and most people are tired of arguing | 16:42 |
| slaine | yup, once day 1 rolls along, things better have changed | 16:43 |
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| slaine | very true | 16:43 |
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| J_P | We have here more than just a software merge. Intel "don't like" ARM and nokia use ARM. a merge from two companies where are uwing diferents hardware.. | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | and want to work instead of discuss | 16:43 |
| J_P | thats is strange.. | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | J_P: no, it is not a conspiracy | 16:43 |
| RST38h | ...will normally lead to one branch of hardware dying? | 16:43 |
| slaine | J_P: Nokia will be using Atoms in products, so it's not that strange | 16:44 |
| lupine_85 | *shrug* arm vs. x86, the only thing that "should" care is the kernel | 16:44 |
| J_P | will be intel doing a revolutionary next generation of atom for mobile with big competition with arm (mw per clock) and nokia will be that ? | 16:44 |
| slaine | lupine_85 and availability of drivers for gl and x | 16:44 |
| slaine | J_P: that's the plan | 16:44 |
| jmc93739653 | RST38h: There is no way either x86 or ARM are going to die. | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | (citation needed), slaine | 16:45 |
| TigerTael | you need arms. | 16:45 |
| arachnist | revolutionary next generation of atom is still doomed to be worse than new ARM chips in terms of oomph/power consumption | 16:45 |
| lupine_85 | it'll be interesting to see how intel's mobile iron stacks up against arm, but I can't see it being particularly competititive | 16:45 |
| J_P | slaine: reaaly? | 16:45 |
| arachnist | x86 has too much 20-year-old (and counting) garbage | 16:45 |
| RST38h | And guess which one branch... | 16:45 |
| jmc93739653 | slaine: I read up on OpenCORE and it deals with multimedia, not 2D/3D gfx h/w accel. | 16:45 |
| lupine_85 | we use atoms a fair bit at work and they're revolutionary compared to standard x86 | 16:45 |
| J_P | slaine: nokia N910 with intel x86? | 16:45 |
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| RST38h | Lupine: how exactly? =) | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: powerpc? | 16:46 |
| lupine_85 | in terms of power usage | 16:46 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Oh, noooo... | 16:46 |
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| jmc93739653 | arachnist: Intel will be using a dedicated power management ASIC for Moorestown. (Intel calls the PMU something entirely different than the rest of the embedded world, naturally.) | 16:46 |
| lupine_85 | pretty cheap to run compared with standard x86 | 16:46 |
| lupine_85 | 'though it's a shame about the ?northbridge4 | 16:46 |
| RST38h | No ASIC, afaik | 16:47 |
| J_P | the plan is nokia release smarphone with intel x86 and not arm? | 16:47 |
| RST38h | But anyways | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | J_P: what do we know of hw plans? this is software | 16:47 |
| TigerTael | okay, it's been fun, but I'm off. | 16:47 |
| jmc93739653 | J_P: Nokia has been working with next-generation samples of Intel Atom SoC's & support chips to assess their suitability in future products. | 16:48 |
| slaine | See, http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/02/intel-and-nokia-making-more-than-linux.ars and http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/02/08/intel-and-nokia-make-chip/ | 16:48 |
| J_P | Stskeeps: wee are talking a about meego (merge) that inlucinding interestiong, and hardware is one | 16:48 |
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| Stskeeps | meego is on sw level | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | which makes a lot of sense | 16:48 |
| J_P | jmc93739653: humm interesting.. | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | rest is idle speculation | 16:48 |
| J_P | Stskeeps: not. The sucess the Meego depends sucess of nokia and intel. | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | sigh | 16:49 |
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| J_P | and hardware is 50% | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | please elaborate since you sound like you forgot your tinfoil hat when entering | 16:50 |
| lupine_85 | ooh, if the semiaccurate article is at least semiaccurate, I'll be in the market for a new phone at exactly the right time :) | 16:50 |
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| J_P | Well, my conclusion is that this merge has total significance if nokia will be use a next generation of intel processor in smartphones.. If not this merge still confuse.. | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | it increases everyones choice. | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | no need to use x86 for moblin, no need to use arm for maemo. | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | it cuts a lot of cruft from both. | 16:54 |
| lupine_85 | shame it wasn't called moeboo | 16:54 |
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| lupine_85 | moemoo? | 16:54 |
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| Stskeeps | moolin | 16:54 |
| J_P | Stskeeps: forget just portable software (x86 and arm). looks about the future, the intresting.. of each company. Money is the objetive of Meego. Community will be help. | 16:54 |
| lupine_85 | well, it's certainly not a charitable organisation | 16:54 |
| J_P | because this I say that 50% this merge (I think) is hardware | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | yes, we all want food on the table and debian on every flat panel | 16:55 |
| J_P | Anyway, I ove linux and Love maemo and I wait better for this merge.. | 16:55 |
| VDVsx | I see the merge more about putting efforts together in a common linux platform based in standards, than keep reinventing the well with in-house efforts | 16:55 |
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| VDVsx | *wheel | 16:55 |
| burchr | VDVsx: thankyou for bringing your sanity with you | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | it's delusional to think this does not involve money obviously | 16:56 |
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| jmc93739653 | That and toolchains. Always the toolchains. | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't seen codesourcery mentioned yet | 16:58 |
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| jmc93739653 | Intel is giving (was giving?) away Atom optimised, Intel-branded C/C++ compilers. (Better support for in-order execution, as the Atom eschewed out-of-order-execution (OoOE) in lieu of hyper-threading.) | 16:59 |
| lupine_85 | icc? | 16:59 |
| jmc93739653 | lupine_85: Yes | 17:00 |
| lupine_85 | I've seen a lot of people <3 at it, but I'd rather stick with gcc :) | 17:00 |
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| slaine | <3 people use icc ? | 17:00 |
| slaine | surely there's at least 5 | 17:01 |
| Corsac | <3 is an heart | 17:01 |
| jmc93739653 | slaine: From what I've heard, icc can be used for pretty much all of Linux, excepting the kernel and glibc, libstdc++, etc. | 17:01 |
| lupine_85 | €> | 17:01 |
| arachnist | icc is nice, as long as it works and doesn't bork your code | 17:01 |
| slaine | I was being a smart ass | 17:01 |
| Corsac | oh sorry | 17:01 |
| slaine | No, I should be sorry | 17:01 |
| arachnist | jmc93739653: i've seen quite a bit of c++ that doesn't compile with intel c++ compilers | 17:01 |
| jmc93739653 | slaine: But one can always port software to use icc's standard C & C++ libs in the stead of GNU's offerings. | 17:02 |
| jmc93739653 | arachnist: MSFT VC++ or GCC C++? | 17:02 |
| arachnist | jmc93739653: gcc c++ | 17:02 |
| arachnist | jmc93739653: i wouldn't put msft vc++ anywhere near c++ | 17:03 |
| * lupine_85 will stick with gcc | 17:03 | |
| lupine_85 | then 10 years in the future, my code will compile on amd chips :) | 17:04 |
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| jmc93739653 | AMD chips? | 17:04 |
| jmc93739653 | AMD has their own proprietary compilers, IIRC | 17:04 |
| arachnist | lupine_85: it's not compiling that's the issue | 17:04 |
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| arachnist | lupine_85: the issue's that intel compilers make code assume they're on 486 if the chip is not GenuineIntel | 17:05 |
| lupine_85 | fun fun | 17:05 |
| jmc93739653 | arachnist: bootstrapping, relative equivalent performance for both x86 and ARM from a single code-base. Packaging & dependency revamp, both compile-time "BuildRequires" & runtime "Requires". | 17:06 |
| arachnist | i look forward for clang to get more mature | 17:06 |
| arachnist | recently it got self-hosting | 17:06 |
| jmc93739653 | lupine_85: there has to be a way to kludge a GenuineIntel string in the CPUID. iasl DSDT files perhaps? | 17:06 |
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| lupine_85 | who knows. I'll still stick with gcc :) | 17:07 |
| jmc93739653 | (I know _very_ little about ACPI, do _not_ take my word for anything related, unless I get my geek on. Interestingly Moblin-2.0 & 2.1's acpi repository was the reference implementation for ACPICA's recemt 4.0 spec rev.) | 17:09 |
| slaine | I've used clang's analyzer stuff. pretty handy | 17:11 |
| jmc93739653 | slaine: Nice. LLVM & its derivative projects are impressive, but rather foreboding to me. | 17:12 |
| slaine | foreboding ? | 17:12 |
| slaine | \ | 17:12 |
| RST38h | eh? | 17:13 |
| jmc93739653 | "to have an inward conviction of, as of a calamity which is about to happen" (Webster's 1913 second definition.) | 17:13 |
| RST38h | So, what calamity do you expect from LLVM? | 17:14 |
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| jmc93739653 | slaine & RST38h: Nothing, really. The project & its architecture is quite elegant, and not a typical 'source --> IR --> ISA' stack. LLVM's open project "VMKit" is very cool, but it, in many ways is "over my head" with my present knowledge. | 17:17 |
| slaine | probably mine too. But I can still use it as a tool | 17:18 |
| slaine | I've no idea how my leatherman was made, but I use it all the time | 17:19 |
| jmc93739653 | slaine & RST38h: I've learned enough to understand I know very little. :-) And I have no shame in flatly declaring when I have no clue as to the particulars of various computing technologies. | 17:19 |
| RST38h | Then it is no foreboding :) | 17:20 |
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| * jmc93739653 is still rather off-topic. . . RST38h: You're correct. I was being rather hyperbolic, in hindsight. LLVM has fallen under the category of "seriously fascinating projects I do not have a defensible excuse to invest the time in studying. Yet. :-) | 17:22 | |
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| jmc93739653 | OK, the Intel PDF Hannibal linked to is awesome. | 17:38 |
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| jmc93739653 | There's a reason Intel invested 7,000,000,000 USD in April 2009 for upgrading their semi fabs for 32 nm process nodes. | 17:42 |
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| jmc93739653 | Then again, it always has been a race between Intel's impressive fabrication capacities & ARM's licensing partners/ecosystem abilities to make Cortex silicon more than just a sea of paper-launches. | 17:44 |
| lupine_85 | yum, 32nm | 17:45 |
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| Th3ChaS3r | busy channel | 18:40 |
| Th3ChaS3r | hi all | 18:40 |
| CosmoHill | very busy | 18:40 |
| Th3ChaS3r | Are any of you guys willing to give any advice to a complete n00b | 18:40 |
| CosmoHill | no | 18:41 |
| CosmoHill | a newbie on the other hand, yes | 18:41 |
| Th3ChaS3r | :) | 18:41 |
| Th3ChaS3r | a newbie | 18:41 |
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| CosmoHill | :) | 18:41 |
| Th3ChaS3r | i'm looking at trying to get my foot in the door before meego is here of some code if possible | 18:41 |
| Th3ChaS3r | but am wondering where to start. | 18:42 |
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| CosmoHill | i think the repo should be out anytime now | 18:42 |
| Th3ChaS3r | i have tried object orientated coding such as C but no idea what or how to code for meego | 18:42 |
| CosmoHill | you mean C++? | 18:43 |
| VDVsx | C is not OO :P | 18:43 |
| CosmoHill | well I'd imagine the base / backend is C or C++ | 18:43 |
| CosmoHill | the apps are written in Qt | 18:43 |
| Th3ChaS3r | is it Q T or is it cute? | 18:44 |
| leinir | cute | 18:44 |
| Th3ChaS3r | kk | 18:44 |
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| CosmoHill | i say cutey | 18:44 |
| leinir | (hence the spelling ;) ) | 18:44 |
| CosmoHill | then he says "fag" :( | 18:44 |
| leinir | CosmoHill: Which is wrong - whether you like it or not ;) | 18:44 |
| shabz | quiet in here tonight | 18:44 |
| shabz | :D | 18:44 |
| shabz | so the apps are written in QT | 18:45 |
| shabz | not clutter? | 18:45 |
| leinir | Qt | 18:45 |
| * VDVsx has a funny history with "cute", now avoids that and use Q T instead :p | 18:45 | |
| leinir | [12/3-2010 16:49:33] <qtassistant> __ed: [QT] QT is Apple's QuickTime. You probably mean Qt, the toolkit by Qt Software/Nokia. | 18:46 |
| CosmoHill | ah i see | 18:46 |
| CosmoHill | i was saying it with an upper case T | 18:46 |
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| Th3ChaS3r | sorry back had customers to serve tut | 19:08 |
| Th3ChaS3r | so what can i start to read to learn to code for cute | 19:09 |
| th0br0 | Th3ChaS3r: there are some official tutorials to be found on the qt page. | 19:09 |
| th0br0 | do you know c++ already? | 19:09 |
| Th3ChaS3r | no i dont th0br0 | 19:10 |
| th0br0 | do you know any programming languages at al`? | 19:10 |
| Th3ChaS3r | :-( | 19:10 |
| th0br0 | mmh... | 19:10 |
| Th3ChaS3r | exactly :D | 19:10 |
| th0br0 | well, there are a couple of options now open for you... | 19:10 |
| Th3ChaS3r | are you thinking shit creek canal no paddle | 19:10 |
| th0br0 | well, i'd say, learn some scripting language and do oop | 19:11 |
| VDVsx | probably better start with something easy like Python | 19:11 |
| Th3ChaS3r | oop? | 19:11 |
| th0br0 | once you know those concepts either dive into some java as the syntax is pretty similar or move directly to c++ | 19:11 |
| th0br0 | object oriented programming | 19:11 |
| th0br0 | or well, learn python and move to c++ from there on | 19:12 |
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| Th3ChaS3r | ok | 19:14 |
| Th3ChaS3r | ty | 19:14 |
| Blice | Is there code yet? | 19:20 |
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| th0br0 | Blice: no. not yet | 19:24 |
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| J_P | /smarphone with MeeGo and intel atom.. http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_gw990-3164.php | 20:14 |
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| J_P | slaine: you was right about the plan ;-) | 20:16 |
| J_P | Long life for MeeGo :-) | 20:16 |
| slaine | J_P, that hardware demoed at CES running Moblin | 20:19 |
| slaine | you tube for it | 20:19 |
| J_P | slaine: yes I know. But gsmarena write as meego heehh | 20:19 |
| J_P | slaine: well, now will be just one moblin and maemo: meego | 20:19 |
| J_P | ;-) | 20:19 |
| slaine | think that's using the moorsetown Atom CPU which isn't really that great for a phone to be honest | 20:20 |
| slaine | would be good for a MID type device, like the nokia n810 | 20:20 |
| slaine | medfield iirc, the next tick in the Intel tick/tock cycle for Atom will be where Intel aggressively push Atom for smart phones | 20:21 |
| J_P | slaine: yes, but are not problem to have models with less size.. | 20:21 |
| J_P | slaine: yes, the game will change.. x86 in smarphones.. | 20:22 |
| J_P | this apear real scenario.. | 20:22 |
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| slaine | Won't be the end for ARM though, not by a long way | 20:22 |
| J_P | slaine: yes, arm has other market place too.. and have (still) much more hardware developemnt kits.. | 20:23 |
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| J_P | slaine: actually any people can to buy one kit arm and development a board, I wait that with intel to be the same | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | J_P: random question, are you here to troll or contribute? | 20:27 |
| J_P | Stskeeps: contribute.. | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | good | 20:28 |
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| VDVsx | btw, speaking of trolls, where's lan ? | 20:28 |
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| slaine | rofl | 20:28 |
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| slaine | can anyone else get to http://www.xbmc.org/ | 21:06 |
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| J_P | I don't know if this is the right place for this question but anyway: I'm using QTcreator (download from meego.com) and has support just for C++. Are plans for add support for Python on QTcreator? | 22:22 |
| CosmoHill | i have no idea | 22:22 |
| CosmoHill | but iirc Qt is basically C++ with some differences | 22:22 |
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| th0br0 | qtcreator from meego.com o.O? | 22:35 |
| th0br0 | J_P: http://lists.trolltech.com/pipermail/qt-creator/2009-March/002225.html | 22:36 |
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| villemv | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9168418/ARM_sees_over_50_new_iPad_like_devices_out_this_year | 23:31 |
| RST38h | 48 of them from random Chinese companies the size of a medium garage | 23:32 |
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