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| frals | anyone alive in here? | 21:04 |
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| * lcuk pokes people randomly | 23:20 | |
| * frals pokes lcuk | 23:20 | |
| lcuk | ok frals - lets make use of some of the stuff | 23:20 |
| lcuk | can you make a set of screenshots from installation to sending | 23:20 |
| lcuk | lets see which need streamlining | 23:21 |
| lcuk | and which can be set to intelligent defaults | 23:21 |
| lcuk | so only people who have to go through things have to | 23:21 |
| lcuk | ie - normal users if possible shouldnt need to care about the mode - set it to one, if its wrong they will poke the help etc | 23:21 |
| frals | ok, ill start taking screenshots | 23:22 |
| lcuk | ok cool, then we can walk through each of them and get it simplified for common jake/luke people | 23:23 |
| frals | ive set it to the least intrusive as default, which, given all the apn related stuff is correct should work if they connect manually to the apn... this is where the problem is :p | 23:23 |
| lcuk | yeah but the option comes up in front of them | 23:23 |
| * lcuk understands the wanting them to see defaults | 23:23 | |
| lcuk | but that first screen is the important one to whether they go further | 23:23 |
| lcuk | and if they dont understand the options they are less likely to be comfortable - i know from when i ran through it we had a lot of config - the nokia database should be helping to fill in decent defaults in most cases - we can handle hte extra cases later by extending the database | 23:25 |
| frals | ye im thinking of adding my own file shipping with fMMS which got the wiki settings | 23:25 |
| frals | because it seems the nokia shipped one is missing a lot of operators :/ | 23:25 |
| lcuk | thats a big shame, i was under the impression the database was more complete | 23:27 |
| frals | so was i :< | 23:27 |
| lcuk | then plan (b) (c) (d) it is | 23:27 |
| lcuk | is it possible to check both databases? | 23:27 |
| lcuk | and ill see what can be gleaned about the SMS operator provided settings on the device itself | 23:28 |
| frals | only effort is porting the wiki listing to a easily parsed format (preferably same as /etc/operator_settings) and its trivial to read from both | 23:28 |
| lcuk | ie what the operators send every now and then upon registration of SIM | 23:28 |
| frals | yes that be optimal | 23:28 |
| frals | because every operator ive heard of have the option of sending provisioning of settings to device | 23:28 |
| lcuk | yea of course | 23:28 |
| frals | right lets see how many screens i managed to grab now then | 23:29 |
| frals | (being slow but helping someone setup fmms at the same time) | 23:31 |
| lcuk | your sanity will be greatly improved once the UX for fmms is bashed out :) | 23:33 |
| frals | http://mms.frals.se/ui_walkthrough/ui.html | 23:38 |
| frals | bunch of screens in order from launch to sending of first mms | 23:38 |
| lcuk | perfect frals :) | 23:40 |
| lcuk | thanks | 23:40 |
| frals | 99% of the problems are on the second image if the values arent prefilled | 23:41 |
| lcuk | just gonna grab a coffee and will have a think about some questions - you should prolly do the same | 23:41 |
| frals | grabbing tea, but yes :) | 23:41 |
| lcuk | yeah - ideally it should open and be configured onto main view :P | 23:41 |
| frals | yeah | 23:47 |
| frals | but missing bits for that to be possible :( | 23:47 |
| lcuk | ok | 23:48 |
| lcuk | first screen frals - did you find out if its possible to have the phone number | 23:48 |
| lcuk | i assume somewhere underneath its feasible | 23:48 |
| frals | actually i talked to someone at nokia about that when i was over | 23:49 |
| frals | i cant remember who but the problem is the phone doesnt always know its own number | 23:49 |
| lcuk | if you can find it 90% of the time and can remove that screen then thats one simple one out of the way? | 23:50 |
| frals | another issue is that the format isnt actually the same for all operators | 23:50 |
| frals | ie some require you to have only the localpart, while others need it to have areacode and what not | 23:51 |
| lcuk | mm? | 23:51 |
| lcuk | i thought all mobile numbers werent local numbers | 23:51 |
| lcuk | or is this an americanism | 23:51 |
| frals | yeah yankees got some crazy stuff going on it seems sec | 23:52 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:52 |
| frals | http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS#T-Mobile_USA | 23:53 |
| frals | if you check that + the one above | 23:53 |
| lcuk | You can retrieve the phone number via a CUSD request *135#. | 23:56 |
| lcuk | /usr/bin/pnatd provides a tool for sending CUSD requests and AT | 23:56 |
| lcuk | commands in general. This may not be supported by all operators, | 23:56 |
| lcuk | though. | 23:56 |
| frals | cool, ill look in to that | 23:56 |
| lcuk | maemo developers list, title: "How do I get my own phone number?" | 23:56 |
| lcuk | now, what is the resize width for | 23:57 |
| lcuk | and why would your mum, or my gran etc be interested in it? | 23:57 |
| frals | resizing of sent images | 23:57 |
| frals | thats a good question | 23:57 |
| lcuk | do you have it on any other mobile? | 23:57 |
| frals | dont have any other phone here but i think most have setting like [Small|Medium|Large|Original] | 23:58 |
| lcuk | ok, but does user need to choose a number? | 23:58 |
| frals | i could probably change to a picker like that | 23:58 |
| lcuk | ie - suppoing the option CUSD thing above works, and you intelligently set a default, you can completely remove that screen | 23:59 |
| lcuk | i mean leave it off! | 23:59 |
| lcuk | /move it to options later | 23:59 |
| frals | problem here as well if the users picks a too big image resize setting the image wont get through | 23:59 |
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