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| * enyc meeps | 14:04 | |
| * enyc never fully understood maemo updates -- "apt-get upgrade" seems to be safe, "apt-get dist-upgrade" is not, generally, seems to want to do zillions of removals and so on, wondered whats going on there?? | 14:05 | |
| bencoh | I'd say man apt-get for details on the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade :) | 14:11 |
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| enyc | well yes, upgrade only upgrades existing packgas wihtout allowing installations/removals | 14:15 |
| enyc | but I'm asking about maemo+ssu situation -- is it normal that 'dist-upgrade' wants to change lots and break stuff? | 14:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, since maemo is one huge metapackage | 14:38 |
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| enyc | DocScrutinizer05: I don't 010% get that though... current state is that apt-get dist-upgrade would want to "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 287 to remove and 0 not upgraded." | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't help with analysis _why_ and _what_ goes awry when you do apt-get (dist)upgrade. I just know that with maemo it doesn't work the way you'd hope for | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are no proper dependencies maintained in maemo, it's one huge metapackage | 17:54 |
| enyc | I get ''no proper dependencies'' | 18:00 |
| enyc | 'one huge metapackage'' suggests i should find a package like 'maemo' that depends on loads of things | 18:00 |
| kerio | hm, lots of stuff in -devel | 18:14 |
| kerio | or maybe it's stuff in -testing | 18:14 |
| enyc | hrrom, somethinc like pinning deselcting all that stuff or somesuch? | 18:20 |
| kerio | honestly maemo needs pretty much a rebuild from the current debian or something | 18:22 |
| kerio | it's too hard to figure out how things *were* supposed to be like | 18:22 |
| kerio | now that so much time has passed | 18:22 |
| enyc | kk | 18:24 |
| enyc | its based on a particular debian past version? | 18:25 |
| drathir | kerio: migration to alarm will be great... but closed things sadly... | 18:29 |
| drathir | kerio: but really amazing job is all time done keep it up2date as much as possible... | 18:30 |
| enyc | =) | 18:32 |
| Pali | reason is that dist-upgrade try to install some defaul debian packages (like baseutils, etc) | 20:28 |
| Pali | but maemo uses busybox, not gnu utils | 20:29 |
| Pali | and there are dependences which will replaces/remove busybox packages | 20:29 |
| Pali | but maemo metapackage depends on busybox and so as reverse dependency is not OK, dist-upgrade will try to remove maemo metapackage | 20:30 |
| Pali | and so after that there will be couple of auto packages which are not needed anymore, so they are going to be removed too | 20:30 |
| Pali | I would say, this is bug in dist-upgrade algorithm | 20:31 |
| Pali | anyway, you can use aptitude upgrade which should work fine | 20:31 |
| enyc | Pali: hrrm mine doesn't have aptitude! | 21:17 |
| Pali | it is in extras-devel | 21:17 |
| enyc | how problematic is extras-devel? see lots of 'not ready for users' warnings and not sure if there are mohulitple apt lines for it etc etc | 21:33 |
| * Sicelo has extras-devel always enabled. no issues. but i do take some reasonable care myself .. ymmv | 21:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | extras-devel is de3finitely a nogo with apt-get upgrade | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | several packages have a working version in extras and a newer broken version in extras-devel | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there might even be packages in extras-devel that would replace core libs from Nokia repos | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which usually doesn't pan out | 21:44 |
| Sicelo | agreed. :) | 21:44 |
| Sicelo | except i look what apt-get upgrade is trying to do, before choosing "yes" .. the windowsy habit of clicling Yes/Next/OK is absolutely bad | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you not only need to check, you also need to know | 21:46 |
| Sicelo | well said | 21:47 |
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