IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Friday, 2014-01-03

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merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: that's going to be the easter egg in mce00:12
merlin1991rainbow keyboard on 1st of march :D00:13
DocScrutinizer05hehe00:13
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DocScrutinizer05to whom it may concern (FMG? Pali?)  note on Neo900 MT:  shall be "INPUT_PROP_SEMI_MT" according to https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/input/event-codes.txt. Needs to get dealt with in driver for the CRT12 chip01:04
DocScrutinizer05aka /dev/input/ts01:05
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freemangordonsolofight: hi18:22
freemangordonsolofight: you said you want to participate in fremantle porting to neo90018:23
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freemangordonsolofight: here18:44
freemangordonsolofight: but I guess you first need to install ssh server on your device and ScratchBox on your desktop :)18:45
freemangordon~sb18:45
infobotfrom memory, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, or hosted by maemo.org now, maintainer thedead144018:45
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solofightfreemangordon: am here :)18:46
solofighthow can i help with the kernel dev ?18:46
freemangordonsolofight: do you have kernel development skills?18:46
freemangordonsolofight: for example cameras don;t work in upstream18:46
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: o praticular reason, just...18:47
freemangordon*no18:47
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: some kind of gut feeling :)18:47
solofighti have been programming applications on platforms - this will be the first time to program the platform itself (kernel)18:47
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solofightfreemangordon: gut feeling ? dont understand why you pasted his messages here to me18:48
freemangordonsolofight: it was to DocScrutinizer0518:48
DocScrutinizer05pretty poor excuse for abandoning tested optimized N900 kernel for the known-poor-powermanagement 3.x18:48
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: we should have plan B if we fail to port 2.6.2818:49
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: BTW, if we manage to do it right, I think 3.14 and up will have better PM than stock18:49
DocScrutinizer05we shouldn't start with plan B while ignoring more pressing affairs like RE of the bits we can't port anyway18:50
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: 1 more function to go :P (fmtxd that is)18:51
freemangordonsolofight: any idea what IDA is?18:51
solofightfreemangordon: nope18:52
DocScrutinizer05alsaped18:52
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: closed?18:52
DocScrutinizer05isn't it?18:53
freemangordonNFC18:53
freemangordon"E: Unable to find a source package for alsaped"18:53
DocScrutinizer05friggin policy enforcer daemon nobody is able to grok18:53
freemangordonso... closed18:53
DocScrutinizer05sure18:53
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freemangordonarcean_: hi!18:54
DocScrutinizer05as are the errr prolog(?) scenario descriptions18:54
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I think pali groks those18:54
freemangordonme not :)18:54
DocScrutinizer05not really, he just RE'd them18:55
freemangordonit was more than 20 years I touched prolog for the last time18:55
DocScrutinizer05that's just like stating you grok alsaped since you can disassemble it18:55
freemangordonand it has a bit of weird syntax18:55
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: that'd be truee, you can't do a good RE if you don;t understand what it does18:56
DocScrutinizer05we have no clue what API this shit has18:56
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: ok, maybe I'll fire IDA agains alsaped after I finish with fmtxd. If it has x86 binary18:56
freemangordon*against18:56
DocScrutinizer05pali just created prolog source from the compiled version18:56
solofightfreemangordon: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83447&page=2 ???18:57
freemangordonhe changed some stuff there18:57
DocScrutinizer05at least to me it's *completely* obscure how this whole abomination works18:57
DocScrutinizer05starting at API down to the prolog stuff and it's semantics18:57
solofightis there a way to emulate the os on my PC like the android emulator or the blackberry simulator ?18:58
freemangordonsolofight: toldya, scratchbox18:58
freemangordonsee the backscroll18:58
solofightsearched and found a project yesterday which promised it but all download links seems to be 404 and project is no more existing18:58
DocScrutinizer05hell, I can't even say I had a faint idea about PA itself18:59
freemangordonsolofight: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation18:59
freemangordondo not use gui installer18:59
solofightthanks freemangordon18:59
freemangordonand use mirror, nokia links are dead19:00
solofightwhy not the gui installer ?19:00
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: me neither19:00
freemangordonsolofight: it is broken19:00
solofightgot it19:00
solofightwill meet you tomorrow morning with the installer version in my pc  (and the SSH on my mobile to play with apmefo :P)19:00
freemangordonsolofight: what OS is your desktop?19:00
solofightgud nyt all19:01
solofightwin719:01
freemangordonOMG19:01
solofighti am planning to put ubuntu 12 or bt5 on it19:01
solofightas dual boot19:01
solofightwhy ?19:01
freemangordonubuntu12.04 will do the job for SB19:01
solofightsb ?19:01
freemangordonScratchBox19:01
DocScrutinizer05~sb19:01
infobothmm... scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, or hosted by maemo.org now, maintainer thedead144019:01
solofight:P ok19:02
solofightgot to get used to all acronyms that you people are suing here :P19:02
DocScrutinizer05ask infobot19:02
freemangordonanyway, I am back to REing fmtxd19:02
DocScrutinizer05;-)19:02
solofight~fmtxd19:02
* thedead1440__ has got to get used to being highlighted too ;) 19:02
DocScrutinizer05~pkg19:02
infobot[pkg] http://maemo.org/packages/19:02
solofightwhat is fmtxd ?19:03
solofightfreemangordon: ^19:03
solofightRE = reverse engineer ?19:03
freemangordonyep19:03
solofightfmtxd ?19:03
freemangordonsolofight: FM transmitter daemon19:04
DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_Media_Player19:04
solofightah ok19:04
DocScrutinizer05find "fmtxd"19:04
solofightah ok, FM handsfree FM txn/rxn19:05
DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/FM_Transmitter_API_Usage19:05
freemangordonsolofight: you're aware that n900 has FM transmitter, ain't?19:05
DocScrutinizer05wtf is http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmtx-middleware-doc/19:06
solofightdo you guys know that transmitting audio over a set frequency in a moving vehicle the freq drops !19:06
solofightyes19:06
solofightfreemangordon: ^19:06
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: fmtxd is part of fmtx-middleware ;)19:06
solofighton moving vehicle the transmitter works poor19:06
DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-binaries_explicit_armel/fmtx-middleware-doc/0.55+0m5/  F U19:06
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: hmm?19:07
DocScrutinizer05solofight: that#s the Doppler effect ;-P19:07
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: empty friggn docs pkg19:08
freemangordonooh, empty19:08
solofightDocScrutinizer05: i know i already asked you this, but just exploring the possibilities .... any possibility at all to have suitable hardware which supports dual sim in neo 90019:08
solofightif yes - it will be my dream phone --- seriously19:08
DocScrutinizer05solofight: the modem currently doesn't support that19:08
solofightnothing can stand infront of neo900 then19:09
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-02 13:54:16] <Leverator> Will the neo900 have two SIM connectors?19:09
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-02 14:24:32] <-- Leverator has left this server (Ping timeout: 272 seconds).19:09
DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-02 14:29:23] <DocScrutinizer05> even while s/he left: P*S8 modem modules for now do not support DSDS, so no real benefit from adding a second SIM tray. But we are keeping an eye on that as well, asking Gemalto if maybe their future pin-compatible modules support DSDS and if so, then on which pads of the footprint. If we receive according info from them, we will adapt our design accordingly, allowing hw or even sw/fw(!!!)19:09
DocScrutinizer05upgrade to DSDS19:09
solofightDocScrutinizer05: how about a change in the modem ?19:09
freemangordonsolofight: are you kidding?19:10
solofightfreemangordon: never19:10
solofightrequest for a dual sim sound like kidding ?19:10
DocScrutinizer05the modems we originally planned to use had DSDS, but were too high and discontinued19:11
freemangordonsolofight: the only one that can change anything in the modem is the manifacturer of the modem. And I doubt Gemalto will do it19:11
DocScrutinizer05Gemalto definitely will not change a single byte for *us*. They however might eventually add DSDS to their product feature list for all their customers19:12
solofightlet me tell you this - ive spent some good time in the market and i neva found a matching phone to n900's capabilities and comfortness for me except for the dual sim feature19:12
solofightoh19:12
solofightwhy Gemalto then ?19:12
freemangordonsolofight: for various reasons, check neo900 thread on TMO19:13
DocScrutinizer05because the module fits and is actually available19:13
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DocScrutinizer05and they even disclose their docs to everybody, on informal request19:13
DocScrutinizer05and they seem really concerned about world coverage19:14
DocScrutinizer05the PXS8 even comes with both UMTS and CDMA200019:14
DocScrutinizer05solofight: you're aware that dual-SIM doesn't automatically means dual-standby?19:15
DocScrutinizer05or even dual-online?19:15
solofightDocScrutinizer05: yes - atleast dual sim to start with19:16
DocScrutinizer05most dual- or even triple-SIM phones are silly convenience things that save you from swapping SIM19:16
solofightDocScrutinizer05: the one samsung uses is good as well right ? no idea about the producer though19:16
DocScrutinizer05Samsung does DSDS19:17
DocScrutinizer05yes19:17
solofightDocScrutinizer05: there is a good market for that feature19:17
DocScrutinizer05that's why I expect Gemalto to upgrade their modems to that freature19:17
solofightso samsung produces their own modem you say ? which has DSDS ?19:17
DocScrutinizer05nah, it's qualcom iirc19:18
solofightDocScrutinizer05: why can we use QUalcom ?19:18
solofightcant*19:18
DocScrutinizer05because no module with matching fitting formfactor exists19:18
solofightdamn19:19
solofightcant we order the custom size ?19:19
solofightbulk order would be considerd right ?19:19
jake42if we have 1M preorders for neo900 - sure :)19:21
solofightwhoa !19:21
jake42I mean one million :)19:21
DocScrutinizer051000 modules are a volume they don't consider stuff from shelf to us19:21
DocScrutinizer05they don't even change a single byte in firmware for us, on that order volume19:22
DocScrutinizer05*definitely* they won't develop a new smaller module hardware for us19:22
solofight:(19:23
DocScrutinizer05asking them for 1000000 modules, they will happily write a customized firmware for us19:23
solofightok off i go now and come here tomorrow19:23
solofightunderstand now19:24
DocScrutinizer05same here19:24
solofightbye all19:24
jake42bye19:24
DocScrutinizer05asking them for 10,000,000 modules they will look at us like we were idiots, since nobody uses modules for such quantities19:25
DocScrutinizer05bye solofight19:26
jake42that won't happen anyway :)19:26
DocScrutinizer05IOW no matter what we do, nobody will build a custom module for us19:26
DocScrutinizer05and - as I already said - we got advised to look for another module than the Option80119:27
DocScrutinizer05might be vaporware19:28
jake42hehe, atleast they don't let you wait for it19:28
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, well, that's a kind supplier, not Option19:29
DocScrutinizer05RoundSolutions19:29
DocScrutinizer05we can't get Option modules from Option just like we can't get Gemalto modules directly from Gemalto19:30
DocScrutinizer05you always need retailers for that stuff19:30
jake42yep19:30
DocScrutinizer05as we can't get DM3730 SoCs form TI19:31
jake42should have bought nokia when the time was right :P19:31
DocScrutinizer05from*19:31
DocScrutinizer05Only big guys like Nokia or Samsung get the chips directly from chip manuf19:32
DocScrutinizer05we don't even need to bother give them a call, they will offer us a coffee and politely explain to us that they can't do business with us19:33
jake42they'll offer coffee?19:33
jake42I would have thought that they wouldn't even bother19:33
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DocScrutinizer05nah, the real big guys often are surprisingly polite and kind19:34
DocScrutinizer05they take pride in that19:34
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DocScrutinizer05but only when you show up personally at their office19:35
jake42serving coffe over the phone is hard19:35
jake42i guess :)19:35
DocScrutinizer05same with Rolls Royce19:35
DocScrutinizer05or Daimler-Crysler19:35
DocScrutinizer05or Nokia ;-P19:36
DocScrutinizer05anyway, have to hurry, to get some shopping done19:37
DocScrutinizer05some food, and dinner19:38
DocScrutinizer05o/19:38
jake42me too..19:39
jake42bye19:39
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