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| freemangordon | merlin1991: here? | 21:58 |
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| merlin1991 | ypep | 21:58 |
| merlin1991 | eta 2 mins ;) | 21:58 |
| freemangordon | good | 21:58 |
| freemangordon | :) | 21:58 |
| merlin1991 | hm luf and Pali are missing | 21:58 |
| merlin1991 | ping arcean chem|st | 21:58 |
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| freemangordon | weird, both said they'll be available | 21:59 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 21:59 |
| merlin1991 | currently writing a python decoder for 62056-21 fun times | 21:59 |
| kerio | for what? | 22:00 |
| freemangordon | ? | 22:00 |
| merlin1991 | ~wiki IEC_62056 | 22:00 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_62056 (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Use British (Oxford) English|date=December 2011}} IEC62056 is a set of standards for Electricity metering â Data exchange for meter reading, tariff and load control by International Electrotechnical Commission. The IEC62056 standards are the International Standard versions of the DLMS/COSEM specification. 'DLMS' or Device Language Message Specification (originally Distribution ... | 22:00 |
| kerio | sounds like fun | 22:00 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991: why tython? | 22:00 |
| freemangordon | *python | 22:00 |
| merlin1991 | faster to prototype :) | 22:00 |
| freemangordon | faster than C/++? I doubt :P | 22:01 |
| kerio | python's fairly amazing for prototyping | 22:01 |
| Pali | I'm here :-) | 22:01 |
| kerio | Pali's here! | 22:01 |
| freemangordon | yay | 22:02 |
| freemangordon | vever fear :P | 22:02 |
| freemangordon | *never | 22:02 |
| kerio | merlin1991: where are you getting the data? | 22:02 |
| freemangordon | damn typo day. just like everyday :D | 22:02 |
| merlin1991 | an electrical meter ofc :) | 22:02 |
| kerio | yeah but how? | 22:02 |
| kerio | serial? | 22:03 |
| merlin1991 | rs485 | 22:03 |
| merlin1991 | so yep serial | 22:03 |
| kerio | use twisted! | 22:03 |
| freemangordon | yep, thats the industrial way iirc | 22:03 |
| freemangordon | kerio: no, it is different, that one is differential | 22:03 |
| merlin1991 | I've patched pyserial with the proper ioctls to enable rs485 and I'm using that :) | 22:03 |
| kerio | :s | 22:04 |
| kerio | last i heard, pyserial was pretty bad | 22:04 |
| merlin1991 | really? | 22:04 |
| merlin1991 | it works perfect for me | 22:04 |
| merlin1991 | and was about the only serial module for python I found | 22:04 |
| kerio | i don't remember if bad=has some serious flaws, or bad=not as good as twisted | 22:04 |
| kerio | pretty much /everything/ except twisted is the latter :) | 22:05 |
| freemangordon | twisted? is that some kind of SW? | 22:05 |
| merlin1991 | hm I'm probably looking at the wrong twisted: "Twisted is an event-driven networking engine written in Python" | 22:05 |
| kerio | that one | 22:05 |
| freemangordon | ooh, SW | 22:06 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: lets give luf some 2-3 more minutes and start, ok? | 22:06 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: k | 22:06 |
| kerio | merlin1991: i'm surprised you didn't know about it | 22:06 |
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| kerio | it's... pretty amazing | 22:06 |
| * freemangordon wonders why arcean and chem|st does not respond | 22:06 | |
| merlin1991 | never heard of it | 22:06 |
| freemangordon | ooh | 22:06 |
| kerio | it does everything, and well | 22:07 |
| freemangordon | here he is | 22:07 |
| freemangordon | luf: hi | 22:07 |
| luf | Hello | 22:07 |
| luf | I'm late as usual | 22:07 |
| freemangordon | luf: well, not that bad but you shoule try harder to beat merlin1991's record of 24hours :P | 22:08 |
| merlin1991 | ah yeah | 22:08 |
| * merlin1991 goes all red | 22:08 | |
| arcean | hi everybody | 22:09 |
| merlin1991 | hi there | 22:09 |
| kerio | hi dr. nick! | 22:09 |
| freemangordon | arcean: hi | 22:09 |
| merlin1991 | I guess we can start for now and if chem|st shows up we can do the -stable specific stuff | 22:09 |
| freemangordon | sure | 22:09 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: do we have an agenda? | 22:09 |
| kerio | glibc status | 22:09 |
| merlin1991 | point #1 gather agenda points | 22:10 |
| freemangordon | ok | 22:10 |
| freemangordon | ok, glibc status | 22:10 |
| merlin1991 | I have to add status of repos and packages for next -testing release | 22:10 |
| freemangordon | & stuff for the new CSSU-T | 22:10 |
| merlin1991 | any other points? | 22:10 |
| kerio | missing packages | 22:10 |
| Pali | cssu GPG key | 22:10 |
| freemangordon | and Nokia GPG key | 22:11 |
| kerio | Pali: ¿lol qué? | 22:11 |
| kerio | what's wrong with the cssu key? | 22:11 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: will run out sometime this year afaik | 22:11 |
| Pali | it will expire this year | 22:11 |
| kerio | oic | 22:11 |
| kerio | yeah, that's fairly bad for -testing users | 22:11 |
| kerio | kinda related: state of the enabler and the catalogues | 22:11 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: I think that even if chem|st does not appear we should plan for CSSU-S too | 22:12 |
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| merlin1991 | yeah we can gather a list, but ultimately it's his decision | 22:12 |
| freemangordon | otherwise we risk to be in the same situation as it was an year or so ago. for -T ;) | 22:13 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: honestly, the experience with MAG's maintainership was pretty enough for me | 22:13 |
| merlin1991 | okay so we have #1 status of repos (inlcudes keys and glibc) #2 new stuff for -testing #3 new stuff for -stable and probably #4 our beloved kernel | 22:14 |
| freemangordon | yep | 22:14 |
| kerio | #5 splitting community-ssu-enabler? | 22:14 |
| luf | Too many points ... | 22:14 |
| merlin1991 | luf: we have to start at some point :) | 22:14 |
| kerio | is that meeting-worthy? | 22:14 |
| Pali | kerio, yes good point | 22:14 |
| luf | let's start | 22:15 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: also part of #1 | 22:15 |
| merlin1991 | okay so #1 | 22:15 |
| merlin1991 | some pointers from my side | 22:15 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: are you in mood to discuss stuff like thumb-extras and merge of -T and -thumb? | 22:15 |
| merlin1991 | I'd rather finally shit a new -testing and fix the last repo issues before we tackle that | 22:15 |
| freemangordon | ok | 22:15 |
| merlin1991 | s/shit/ship/ | 22:15 |
| merlin1991 | omfg | 22:15 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: I'd rather finally ship a new -testing and fix the last repo issues before we tackle that | 22:15 |
| kerio | merlin1991: still works | 22:16 |
| merlin1991 | so anyway, repos | 22:16 |
| merlin1991 | we do have full control now which allows us to also fix the gpg issue | 22:16 |
| merlin1991 | I've uploaded the -testing bits up to our current release | 22:16 |
| merlin1991 | there is some weird issue with chemists account regarding user rights, but it should be fixed this week | 22:17 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: glibc? iirc it was a part of it initially | 22:17 |
| merlin1991 | glibc is technically okay, only that the import script on the server goes full mental and for some weird reason extracts a wrong path and thus does not import glibc | 22:17 |
| merlin1991 | complaining about missing files even though they are there | 22:18 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: can you put glibc before next -T, so the issues to be fixed in the meanwhile? | 22:18 |
| kerio | oh, so it wasn't a special filter for glibc? | 22:18 |
| merlin1991 | nope I found in the logs that it just goes mental on the paths for files to import | 22:19 |
| arcean | so it's a problem with packaging? | 22:20 |
| merlin1991 | the packagaing is according to debian rules as far as I could see | 22:20 |
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| merlin1991 | I'm guessing it's a problem with the software on repo.maemo.org | 22:20 |
| freemangordon | arcean: don;t think so, merlin1991's server has no problems | 22:20 |
| merlin1991 | because ie reprepro on my server, which is quite compliant with debian rules accepts it happily | 22:21 |
| kerio | merlin1991: hm, is it just packages? | 22:21 |
| kerio | or is it built, on m.o? | 22:21 |
| kerio | can't you put it in manually? | 22:21 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: I is it you to fix that? | 22:22 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: I upload built packages and on r.m.o only an import job runs | 22:22 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: yeah, I'm repo admin now :/ | 22:22 |
| freemangordon | why unhappy, you have all the power to screw it up :P | 22:22 |
| kerio | merlin1991: hm, is there a particular reason to keep that setup, rather than just rsyncing from your server? | 22:22 |
| merlin1991 | yeah that's the scary bit | 22:22 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: yeah the repos are different in layout, ... | 22:23 |
| freemangordon | kerio: it is better to have some machine control over what is uploaded | 22:23 |
| kerio | well the machine control isn't working, at least for this package | 22:23 |
| freemangordon | kerio: And I bet it will be easier to fix whatever is broken than changing how it works | 22:24 |
| merlin1991 | anyway the current situation also allows us to eventually swap the gpg key that is used to sign the repo | 22:24 |
| merlin1991 | I think Pali had a few points on that the last time | 22:24 |
| kerio | ew, no | 22:24 |
| kerio | not right now, at least | 22:24 |
| Pali | merlin1991: can you add cssu repos to http://maemo.org/packages/repository/ ? | 22:24 |
| kerio | first we push new keys | 22:25 |
| kerio | then we update them | 22:25 |
| Pali | merlin1991, we do not need to swap keys, only delete expiration date | 22:25 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: I have no idea how that works, but I can try to push for someone to look into it | 22:25 |
| kerio | oooh | 22:25 |
| kerio | right | 22:25 |
| kerio | yeah, that's a bit easier | 22:25 |
| kerio | Pali: will the devices accept the key? | 22:25 |
| Pali | kerio, before expiration yes | 22:26 |
| kerio | so it's still the same key, alright | 22:26 |
| Pali | kerio, expiration is only signature | 22:26 |
| merlin1991 | iirc we can give the key a new expiration date, and the devices will still accept the key, and if they download the new keyinfo with an updated enabler they also know about the longer expiration | 22:26 |
| kerio | then we just need to do that, and then push the updated key in the enabler | 22:26 |
| merlin1991 | I'd like todo that together with splitting the enabler into catalogue packages and enabler package, to get rid of the "all repos in the list" problem in ham | 22:27 |
| Pali | merlin1991, you only need to open private gpg key, change expiration and publish public part | 22:27 |
| kerio | domain information and keys should still stay in the enabler part | 22:28 |
| kerio | imo | 22:28 |
| Pali | kerio: https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-community-ssu-enabler | 22:28 |
| kerio | Set same trust level for all community repositories | 22:29 |
| kerio | hmm, really? | 22:29 |
| Pali | see description | 22:29 |
| kerio | actually, that will wreck shit | 22:29 |
| kerio | current users won't be able to update | 22:29 |
| kerio | will they | 22:30 |
| kerio | current cssu-thumb/testing users, i mean | 22:30 |
| Pali | you can install new version only if it comes from >= trustlevel | 22:30 |
| kerio | have you tested it? | 22:30 |
| kerio | yeah but is the trust level stored as a name, or as a number? | 22:30 |
| kerio | because if it's just the name, then it's ok | 22:31 |
| Pali | numer | 22:31 |
| kerio | then current cssu-testing users won't be able to update | 22:31 |
| kerio | put them all at 750 | 22:31 |
| Pali | why?? | 22:31 |
| kerio | because current cssu-testing packages are at trust level 701 | 22:31 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: whit your changed what happens if someone installs another enabler? | 22:31 |
| kerio | further updates once that enabler is updated will come from trust level 700 | 22:31 |
| Pali | kerio, trustlevel is stored in package | 22:31 |
| Pali | and is updated by package | 22:32 |
| kerio | yes | 22:32 |
| kerio | and packages that, right now, come from cssu-testing, have a trust level of 701 | 22:32 |
| kerio | and thus, won't be able to be updated from a repo at trust level 700 | 22:32 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: but do already installed packages use the current repo trust level, ot the trust level by the time of the installation | 22:32 |
| Pali | kerio, no | 22:32 |
| freemangordon | ? | 22:32 |
| Pali | trustlevel is stored in package file | 22:33 |
| kerio | no it's not? | 22:33 |
| kerio | there's no trust level in .debs | 22:33 |
| Pali | if you change trustlevel of repo then it will change for all packages | 22:33 |
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| Pali | in that repo | 22:33 |
| freemangordon | Pali: are you sure? | 22:34 |
| kerio | so the trust level is stored, for each package, just as a reference to the domain name | 22:34 |
| kerio | alright, then it works | 22:34 |
| Pali | trustlevel is stored in that config file for repo | 22:34 |
| kerio | Pali: it's stored per-package | 22:34 |
| kerio | somewhere in /var or /usr | 22:34 |
| freemangordon | well, we have testng-testing after all | 22:34 |
| kerio | i don't know how to test it, though | 22:34 |
| Pali | kerio, show me where it is stored | 22:34 |
| Pali | I think it is not stored | 22:35 |
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| kerio | hold on, looking through the HAM source code | 22:35 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: in the meantime, what's going on with repos web iface? | 22:36 |
| merlin1991 | what exactly do you mean? | 22:36 |
| Pali | not possible to promote packages | 22:36 |
| Pali | kernel-power v52 missing | 22:36 |
| merlin1991 | ah that bit, nfc but it's on my list of stuff to investigate | 22:36 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: afaik the last time X-Fade did some hack so KP to be visible, I guess a grep for kernel-power will show you where | 22:37 |
| freemangordon | iirc he hardcoded the version to be imported | 22:37 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: did you get anything out of jacekowski? | 22:37 |
| Pali | no | 22:37 |
| merlin1991 | I'll start hunting then | 22:38 |
| Pali | merlin1991, what can be configured via maemo package admin interface? | 22:38 |
| merlin1991 | I have no idea, I don't have access to that | 22:38 |
| freemangordon | :) | 22:38 |
| Pali | and you are admin, but do not have access :-) | 22:38 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: but but... ^^^ | 22:39 |
| Pali | cannot you clone X-Fade account? | 22:39 |
| merlin1991 | I'm in a garage admin group which should allow me to get to that parts aswell, but it doesn't work, I have to investigate that aswell | 22:39 |
| merlin1991 | but hey, I can approve new garage projects .) | 22:40 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: did you test your new enabler in any form or is that a job for me? | 22:41 |
| Pali | nothing tested yet | 22:41 |
| Pali | no idea if current git HEAD working | 22:41 |
| Pali | last commit March 03 2013 | 22:42 |
| Pali | I really do not remember if that working or not | 22:42 |
| merlin1991 | okay I'll throw it into testing-testing and mess up my devices then | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | shall we continue with pt2? | 22:43 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: the cssu gpg key, in which package does it sit? | 22:43 |
| Pali | merlin1991: community-ssu-enabler | 22:43 |
| * freemangordon thinks it will take a while until kerio fugures out what HAM does :) | 22:44 | |
| merlin1991 | okay so we can change it easily | 22:44 |
| Pali | merlin1991, please remove expiration from key, upload public part to keyserver | 22:44 |
| Pali | I will then update git repo | 22:44 |
| Pali | it should be updated before any next CSSU S/T release | 22:45 |
| kerio | freemangordon: do you have a tarball of the rootfs before the first boot? | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | Pali: why? | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | kerio: no | 22:45 |
| Pali | because it will expire this year | 22:45 |
| Pali | it should be done ASAP | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | kerio: just extract FW image and mount rootfs | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | Pali: it is april | 22:45 |
| kerio | *and nandsim and mount rootfs | 22:45 |
| Pali | otherwise CSSU repos will have same problem as nokia repo | 22:45 |
| kerio | os x has no nandsim, and doesn't speak ubifs :c | 22:46 |
| freemangordon | kerio: use linux :P | 22:46 |
| kerio | you're not helping :< | 22:46 |
| freemangordon | Pali: we have a pile of stuff for the next update, I don;t think it makes sense to wait for the new key/enabler | 22:47 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: key/enabler can be done in a week | 22:47 |
| merlin1991 | alongside of the other stuff | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: ok, lets do it after the next T, what is the problem? | 22:48 |
| merlin1991 | the earlier we ship the new enabler the better | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | what if Pali's enabler has bugs or broken design? | 22:48 |
| merlin1991 | but we can also throw it in as soon as it's finished | 22:49 |
| merlin1991 | as a mini-update | 22:49 |
| Pali | I'm talking about gpg key, not about new enabler | 22:49 |
| freemangordon | exactly | 22:49 |
| freemangordon | Pali: aren't those connected? | 22:49 |
| Pali | we can just update gpg key | 22:49 |
| freemangordon | oh, ok | 22:49 |
| kerio | well, you have to update the current enabler too | 22:50 |
| kerio | but that's literally a line and a file | 22:50 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 22:50 |
| merlin1991 | so we'll do that and properly test the new split enabler for the next -t then | 22:50 |
| merlin1991 | okay #2 then I guess | 22:50 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: wait | 22:50 |
| * merlin1991 backpeddals, yes freemangordon? | 22:51 | |
| freemangordon | we (you) will update the key and the CURRENT enabler with that key | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | split-enabler will be after the next -T | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | as we have NFC if it works even | 22:51 |
| Pali | I can update public gpg key in any enabler version | 22:51 |
| Pali | I jsut need updated public key :-) | 22:52 |
| freemangordon | yep | 22:52 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: you're just repeating what I said ;) | 22:52 |
| freemangordon | <merlin1991> so we'll do that and properly test the new split enabler for the next -t then | 22:52 |
| freemangordon | I read that as the next -T after 7.2 ;) | 22:53 |
| merlin1991 | current -t --> comint -t --> next -t aka my wording sucks | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok :) | 22:53 |
| merlin1991 | s/comint/coming/ | 22:53 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: current -t --> coming -t --> next -t aka my wording sucks | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | ot my English :) | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | *or | 22:53 |
| merlin1991 | so everything 100% unclear by now? | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | ok, I am fine with that | 22:54 |
| freemangordon | yep, 100% unclear :) | 22:54 |
| merlin1991 | so #2, from the last time I have gtk, obexd, qt, hd (2.2.150), modest, libpng, libxml, zlib, libhildonfm, osso-systemui-tklock, osso-xterm, vte, upstart, osso-gnomevfs-extra, pulseaudio, dsme (0.60.49+0cssu1), connui-home-cellular, microb-engine (die, die, die) | 22:54 |
| luf | I have question about libxml2 | 22:55 |
| freemangordon | add libpixman | 22:55 |
| luf | Are we talking about 2.6 or the latest libxml2.8? | 22:55 |
| freemangordon | luf: what is in -devel? | 22:55 |
| kerio | alright, it appears that the domain of a package is stored by-domain | 22:56 |
| luf | libxml 2.8 | 22:56 |
| kerio | like, according to the domain name | 22:56 |
| kerio | so changing a domain's trust level should work | 22:56 |
| luf | There is libxml 2.8 in cssu-devel since 2013-Mar-17 (I see no bug report). | 22:57 |
| freemangordon | luf: ii libxml2 2.8.0+dfsg1-7maemo0+0cssu1 | 22:57 |
| freemangordon | that is on my "production" device | 22:57 |
| luf | freemangordon: brave man :D | 22:57 |
| Pali | merlin1991: add to list rtcom-messaging-ui-portrait | 22:57 |
| Pali | this patch: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/rtcom-messaging-ui-portrait/commit/d5ddd636aee5b0386bc3c73415c4ce338737e492 | 22:58 |
| freemangordon | shit, so many non-thumbified packages here, I was wondering why my device is so slow :D | 22:58 |
| merlin1991 | what's new in libpixman? | 22:58 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: everything | 22:58 |
| kerio | freemangordon: and let's not forget about the gcc4.6-compiled xorg! | 22:58 |
| freemangordon | kerio: this is -thumb, leave it alone :P | 22:58 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: why is that patch even needed? | 22:59 |
| Pali | because apt-get cycling between versions | 22:59 |
| merlin1991 | hashes? | 22:59 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/pixman/commits/master | 22:59 |
| luf | I didn't merge libxml2.8 into cssu git as I don't know if it's ok for others ... | 23:00 |
| freemangordon | luf: wait, what? you include stuff in -devel without pushing to gitorious? oh you | 23:01 |
| luf | So I need to know if we'll include libxml 2.8 into this CSSU-T or keep it for the next one. | 23:01 |
| merlin1991 | afaik the reason for libxml upgrade were several security issues? | 23:01 |
| luf | freemangordon: no. I cloned the repo on gitorious and push the 2.8 changes there ;) | 23:01 |
| freemangordon | I guess it is safe to include it, at least I saw no problems here | 23:01 |
| luf | merlin1991: yes. | 23:02 |
| merlin1991 | luf: please push your changes into the cssu gitorious aswell | 23:02 |
| freemangordon | and sisnce it is for a month or so in -devel, it should be relatively safe methinks | 23:02 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 23:02 |
| luf | merlin1991: and also some bug fixes (it's from wheezy so I think it'll be better for keeping up to date). | 23:02 |
| freemangordon | luf: ASAP :P | 23:03 |
| luf | Ok. I'll do it. | 23:03 |
| luf | freemangordon: I think I'll do it next year :p | 23:03 |
| freemangordon | soon enough :) | 23:03 |
| merlin1991 | gtk, obexd, qt, hd (2.2.150), modest, libpng, libxml, zlib, libhildonfm, osso-systemui-tklock, osso-xterm, vte, upstart, osso-gnomevfs-extra, pulseaudio, dsme (0.60.49+0cssu1), connui-home-cellular, microb-engine (die, die, die), libpixman, rtcom-messaging-ui-portrait | 23:04 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: regarding h-d version, I think you should use the latest on gitorious | 23:04 |
| merlin1991 | arcean: ^^? | 23:04 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: zlib has problems together with which package (where the build order mattered) | 23:05 |
| arcean | I'll release 2.2.151.1 during weekend | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | I push it in -thumb some time ago, no reports so far (expluding one for broken force-landscape flag by that marmitz guy) | 23:05 |
| merlin1991 | yep we have that report which should be looked into | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<Pali> merlin1991, please remove expiration from key, upload public part to keyserver)) which friggin keyserver? | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | arcean: wait, why 151.1? new stuff or just a version bump? | 23:05 |
| Pali | merlin1991: if you are pushing packages to cssu-T can you reuse versions from cssu-D? so they will have same md5sums? | 23:06 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: the public gpg servers all sync to a distributed mostly ready only databse | 23:06 |
| merlin1991 | and afaik the maemo repo keys are in there | 23:06 |
| arcean | version bump, releasing unreleased :D | 23:06 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, you can choose which keyserver will you use | 23:06 |
| merlin1991 | cssu-D? | 23:06 |
| freemangordon | arcean: hildon-desktop (1:2.2.152~1) unstable; urgency=low | 23:06 |
| freemangordon | this is now on gitorious | 23:06 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, all keyserver syncing all gpg keys | 23:06 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: ah wait, well nope | 23:06 |
| Pali | merlin1991: cssu devel | 23:07 |
| freemangordon | arcean: hildon-desktop (1:2.2.152-1+thumb0) unstable; urgency=low | 23:07 |
| arcean | freemangordon: and it's unrealeased apart -thumb | 23:07 |
| Pali | merlin1991: why not? | 23:07 |
| freemangordon | arcean: so pretty please use hildon-desktop (1:2.2.152-1) | 23:07 |
| arcean | yeah, I see | 23:07 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: for example this: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com/ | 23:08 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: partly because -D is filled with stuff built from various scratchboxes, and we don't want to run into silly library issues in our main repo | 23:08 |
| Pali | ok | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see maemo nor builder infra use a public keyserver | 23:08 |
| merlin1991 | but I can version bump things I put into -T | 23:08 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: or http://pgp.mit.edu/ | 23:09 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: I think it is not needed, atp should update on hash change | 23:09 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: see http://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=maemo&fingerprint=on | 23:09 |
| freemangordon | *apt | 23:09 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, every pgp keyserver syncing keys with every | 23:09 |
| Pali | (just need to wait until sync is done) | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I KNIOW what a pgp keyserver is and soes!! | 23:09 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: the problem with differnt hashes on the same package is that apt then starts to swap the packge each upgrade | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | does | 23:10 |
| kerio | push the key to *all* the keyservers! _ò/ | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I say neither maemo5 HAM nor autobuilder is using any public keyserver | 23:10 |
| merlin1991 | yes, but the maemo repo keys are all shared on the gpg servers | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 23:11 |
| merlin1991 | you don't throw public stuff somewehre, then update it and only tell 50% of your audience you know of | 23:11 |
| kerio | so if everything else fails, we have a one-liner to fix things | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 23:11 |
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| merlin1991 | is there anything else new apart from the packages I listed? | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as relevant to fremantle as is slashdot reporting about that key update | 23:12 |
| * freemangordon checks what's in -thumb | 23:12 | |
| merlin1991 | arcean: which version should I include with the next -testing then? | 23:13 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ok, rationale for /not/ pushing the updated key to keyservers? | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pfff | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rationale for NOT publishing it on slashdot? | 23:14 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991: <freemangordon> arcean: so pretty please use hildon-desktop (1:2.2.152-1) | 23:14 |
| arcean | merlin1991: if it's ok I'll push and tag a new version of friday | 23:14 |
| arcean | s/of/on | 23:14 |
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| freemangordon | arcean: wait, push? | 23:14 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, cssu gpg key is already on public keyserver | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SO WHAT? | 23:14 |
| Pali | so it should be update here if we update it | 23:14 |
| arcean | freemangordon: 2.2.152-1 | 23:14 |
| freemangordon | ok | 23:14 |
| freemangordon | arcean: though I guess merlin1991 can do that as well | 23:15 |
| luf | merlin1991: nothing new from me | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead, update whatever you like. It's not a requirement for maemo5 though | 23:15 |
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| freemangordon | luf: everything obex related is included? | 23:15 |
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| luf | freemangordon: Nothing new since last obexd in cssu-devel | 23:16 |
| arcean | what about status-area-orientationlock-applet? | 23:16 |
| luf | freemangordon: (finished) | 23:16 |
| arcean | we need new translations for this package | 23:16 |
| freemangordon | arcean: is it fixed to support portrait lock? | 23:16 |
| kerio | does the new version say "locked in portrait mode" when it's locked in portrait mode? | 23:16 |
| kerio | freemangordon: the version from -devel can lock in portrait | 23:16 |
| kerio | i think | 23:16 |
| arcean | freemangordon: sure, but translations are missing | 23:16 |
| merlin1991 | arcean: afaik english and a few are already there? | 23:17 |
| freemangordon | ooh, wait, we should include that, even with missing translations | 23:17 |
| merlin1991 | I'll contact people for the rest | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | requirement for maemo5 is: the damn enabler get tested and made sure it has no external dependencies, and that it doesn't break stuff as kerio been concerned completely justified | 23:17 |
| Pali | I think there is some merge request for some transtlation | 23:17 |
| arcean | there's even MR pending https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/status-area-orientationlock-applet/merge_requests/5 | 23:17 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: sure, but how is that related to keyservers? | 23:17 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: fwiw, i feel unconcerned now that i checked the vanilla rootfs | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: how is anything related to keyservers? | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's my whole point | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nothing is | 23:18 |
| freemangordon | you tell me, you are complaining | 23:18 |
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| freemangordon | enabler won't depend on the keyservers | 23:19 |
| merlin1991 | this channel has an incredible tendency to drift somewhere else than the current topic | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WAAAAH!!! | 23:19 |
| freemangordon | (iirc) | 23:19 |
| freemangordon | *iiuc | 23:19 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: nothing more from me re packages | 23:20 |
| merlin1991 | so nobody has stuff to add to the package list? | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's rather unfortunate that any mentioning of something being redundant or irrelevant ensues more redundant and more irrelevant discussuin obout that very topic | 23:21 |
| freemangordon | BTW is this location-supl-fix in -devel yet? | 23:21 |
| freemangordon | or it is just a placeholder? | 23:21 |
| luf | BTW I merged the libxml 2.8 into cssu git on gitorious | 23:21 |
| freemangordon | luf: this is what is in -devel, ain't? | 23:23 |
| freemangordon | oh, wait | 23:23 |
| Pali | freemangordon, it should be in devel | 23:24 |
| Pali | merlin1991, maybe supl-fix should go to next cssu-T too | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my current state of info: cssu-t-enabler is broken since it depends on stuff from nokia repos. Thus users can't install cssu-t anymore (since nokia repos have that key-expired issue). We NEED TO FIX that, and also need to remove that cruft from enabler, since the dependencies for all I know got introduced to establish an uninstall option for cssu that has been *proven* to fail for users and causes a "reflash please" anyway. So this | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NEEDS to get reverted and same time the borked exzternal dependencies removed | 23:24 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it doesn't depend on nokia repos iirc, it depends on stuff from extras-testing/extras-devel | 23:25 |
| freemangordon | luf: wasn't there some cross-dependency zlib<->libxml? | 23:25 |
| kerio | or maybe that's a separate problem | 23:25 |
| luf | freemangordon: Yes. I added one commit now as I see that I missed that last time (just commit). | 23:26 |
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| freemangordon | luf: which commit? | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since months I talk users through "yeah, it's a known issue. You can't install cssu-t since dependencies are broken. You however can install cssu-s" | 23:27 |
| luf | luf: libxml-2.6.32 (latest) is needed with new zlib as previous versions of libxml used internal zlib structures. | 23:27 |
| merlin1991 | cssu-enabler has dependencies of Depends: hildon-application-manager, osso-gnupg | gnupg, apt, sudo, osso-xterm | 23:28 |
| merlin1991 | nothing $nokia there | 23:28 |
| luf | freemangordon: commmit which removed just some old files from 2.6. cssu-devel 2.8 was built without that files. I just missed to commit deleted part .... | 23:28 |
| merlin1991 | cssu-thumb on the other hand couldn't be installed for a time when the newer testing releases were missing on the repo, but that is fixed by now | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | luf: exactly, but i don;t see the Conflicts: zlib(<...) | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then please explain me where from all those complaints about cssu-t not installing anymore | 23:29 |
| luf | https://gitorious.org/~luf/community-ssu/n900-libxml2-2_8_0/commit/be21653d531bdd9c16991986f722959e592a485d | 23:29 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: err please show me one, I've had various about -thumb but not a single one about -testing made it all the way to me | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and particularly explain to me how a uninstall is useful when it results in borked bootlooping system that makes user reflash anyway | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 23:30 |
| luf | freemangordon: You're using wrong direction. | 23:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: use #maemo chanlog serch function | 23:31 |
| luf | freemangordon: libxml can work with whatever zlib version ... The problem was in libxml itself. Older libxml 2.6 packages can't work with newer zlib. But it was patched ... | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | luf: no, lemme show you | 23:31 |
| luf | https://gitorious.org/~luf/community-ssu/n900-libxml2-2_8_0/commit/ebf6ad5e5b59e2ef4d949c2ec5b73beaf03692d3 | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | luf we should not allow newer libxml2 on older zlib | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | and newer zlib on older libxml2 | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | that is why <-> | 23:32 |
| luf | We can allow newer libxml2 on stock zlib. | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | luf no | 23:33 |
| luf | freemangordon: yes ... why not? | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | can't remember, but see https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libxml2/blobs/thumb-testing/debian/control#line12 | 23:33 |
| luf | I don't see the reason. | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: the dependencies issue is what other in here explained to me as root culprit. I haven't investigated myself | 23:34 |
| freemangordon | luf: #if defined(ZLIB_VERNUM) && ZLIB_VERNUM >= 0x1230 | 23:35 |
| freemangordon | because there is a compile-time dependency | 23:35 |
| luf | freemangordon: Why you didn't push it into git then? | 23:35 |
| freemangordon | so you either use correct interface ol the older interface | 23:35 |
| freemangordon | luf: push what? | 23:36 |
| luf | The only compile time is tha patch I posted and it's zlib version >= 1.2.3 and the stock version is 1.2.3 | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no matter what's the dependeny issue, the uninstall-nukes-users-system issue needs to get fixed, by removing that uninstall option - it's nonsensical anyway | 23:36 |
| luf | freemangordon: the change in control file. | 23:36 |
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| freemangordon | luf: because it should be done by merlin1991 when doing the build, remember that 3-step build process? | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and no matter what's the culprit at all, there been several reports that installing cssu-t failed for users | 23:38 |
| luf | freemangordon: But it was with libpng and zlib | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while installing cssu-s succeeded | 23:38 |
| luf | freemangordon: libxml has no such problem as far as I remember | 23:38 |
| freemangordon | luf: no, that was with libxml2 and zlib, iirc. | 23:38 |
| freemangordon | hmm, lemme think | 23:39 |
| luf | freemangordon: for sure it wasn't | 23:39 |
| freemangordon | luf: Conflicts: zlib1 (<= 1:1.0.4-7), zlib1g-udeb, libxml2 (<< 2.6.32.dfsg-5maemo4+0m5+0cssu1) | 23:39 |
| luf | freemangordon: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libxml2/commits/master | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | that is for from zlib debian/control | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | s/for/ / | 23:40 |
| infobot | freemangordon meant: that is from zlib debian/control | 23:40 |
| luf | freemangordon: that's correct. | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | another complaint against cssu: locking in portait mode not possuble | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it is | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | orientation lock always sets orientation to landscape | 23:41 |
| freemangordon | well, will be after the new -T | 23:41 |
| freemangordon | luf: what is correct? | 23:41 |
| luf | freemangordon: the only commit from me was: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libxml2/commit/ebf6ad5e5b59e2ef4d949c2ec5b73beaf03692d3 | 23:41 |
| luf | freemangordon: newer libxml is needed for newer zlib. | 23:42 |
| freemangordon | see | 23:42 |
| luf | freemangordon: But newer zlib isn't needed for newer libxml. | 23:42 |
| freemangordon | luf: it is | 23:42 |
| merlin1991 | luf see the original commit message from upstaream * xmlIO.c: remove an abuse of zlib API and use a clean interface available in zlib >= 1.2.3 | 23:43 |
| merlin1991 | so either you do it the ugly way with zlib < 1.2.3 or the nice way with >= 1.2.3 | 23:43 |
| luf | freemangordon: I see and the stock zlib is 1.2.3 | 23:43 |
| merlin1991 | yeah true | 23:43 |
| merlin1991 | it fullfills >= :D | 23:43 |
| luf | :D | 23:43 |
| luf | BTW we're talking abound changing http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libpng/blobs/master/debian/libpng12-0.shlibs but I lost the track ... | 23:44 |
| luf | merlin1991: it should be filled from shlib | 23:45 |
| freemangordon | dammit, I just can;t remember :( | 23:45 |
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| luf | libxml 2.8 can be compiled also againist older version of zlib ... | 23:46 |
| luf | frhttp://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2013-02-27.log.html#t2013-02-27T23:20:07 | 23:47 |
| Pali | shit, @nokia man who tried to fix nokia gpg key not working for nokia anymore | 23:49 |
| freemangordon | luf: well, lets say it that way - there was an important reason why I did it that way. Can't remember it, so just trust me on that | 23:49 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05 ^^^ | 23:49 |
| luf | So the same way I can change also https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/zlib/blobs/master/debian/zlib1.shlibs (bump to >= 1.2.3) | 23:49 |
| Pali | Delivery Status Notification (Failure) | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OMFG | 23:50 |
| freemangordon | luf: afaik there is no ABI change, so we can ceep that | 23:50 |
| kerio | hahahahahah fucking great | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, actually they never worked for Nokia but for a subcontractor | 23:50 |
| kerio | gotta love nokia | 23:50 |
| freemangordon | *keep | 23:50 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, how did you get that email address? | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they posted to council | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 23:51 |
| luf | freemangordon: libpng - apng change and there is also change in zlib (1.2.3) which is required by libxml | 23:51 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, do you have any other contact? | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, not really | 23:51 |
| luf | freemangordon: it's hard to trust when I see no reason for that. | 23:51 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 23:51 |
| Pali | then there is no ssu repo anymore | 23:52 |
| freemangordon | luf: I vaguely remember something about apt-get refusing to upgrade | 23:52 |
| freemangordon | HAM too | 23:52 |
| luf | So I'll change shlib in zlib package and it'll go into libxml dependency automagicaly. | 23:53 |
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| luf | freemangordon: I don't like the explicit force of 1.2.7 | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | luf: that's not different from adding manually to control file | 23:55 |
| luf | freemangordon: it is as other packages can have same problem ... | 23:55 |
| freemangordon | (changing shlibs that is) | 23:55 |
| luf | freemangordon: shlibs is better way IMHO | 23:55 |
| freemangordon | luf: this lives happily in thumb since january | 23:55 |
| Pali | merlin1991, freemangordon: this merge (rebase) request: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/microb-engine/merge_requests/1 | 23:56 |
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| Pali | we already discussed about it months ago | 23:56 |
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| merlin1991 | and I said make freemangordon do it because I can't even build that beast, hence can't verfiy it's working | 23:57 |
| Pali | I know :-) | 23:58 |
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| Pali | just reminder | 23:58 |
| merlin1991 | okay it's almost 23 | 23:59 |
| merlin1991 | wrap it up? | 23:59 |
| freemangordon | luf: well, ok, do it as you wish. But I still believe it is better to do what is proved to not break under any circumstances | 23:59 |
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