| freemangordon_ | merlin1991: what? we have CSSU repos? yay :) | 00:01 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon_: yep we have them again :) | 00:02 |
| freemangordon_ | cool | 00:02 |
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| Estel_ | kerio, could you, please, as candidate for Council (and, with high probability, elected Councilor, soon) show support here?: | 00:48 |
| Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1336077#post1336077 | 00:48 |
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| Estel_ | before anyone ask - no, it's not about karma whore'ing, not to mention that it isn't calculated now. It's just that I got strong feeling that it is *very* needed now, or something good may collapse and be forgotten. | 00:48 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, you may like to see it and respons, you're tech staff head, yep? | 00:49 |
| kerio | i'm not convinced at all that SD69 means well | 00:49 |
| Estel_ | doesnmt matter, I'm sure you can, for a time being, convince yourself to act like he mean well | 00:49 |
| Estel_ | I'm equally convinced that he doesn't thing others mean well, it's not important now. | 00:50 |
| Estel_ | either we unite, or die, that is. | 00:50 |
| Estel_ | BTW I'm pretty sure, that it would be hard to find someone in community, who actually doesn't mean well for Maemo. Practical results are different thing, but chain of blaming doesn't make it any better | 00:51 |
| Estel_ | encouraging others by threating their work and time involved with respect (even if results are not saisfying, sometimes) is only way to motivate them in community-driven project | 00:51 |
| Estel_ | I'm pretty sure that we could get miracolously, positively surprised at collaboration improvement, if we start to obligatory assume that everyone doing something for Maemo (volotuneery) mean well. | 00:52 |
| Estel_ | ...so people could start focusing on achieving set goals, instead of standing at defending position from beginning | 00:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: there's one single thing needed: HiFo BoD finally finds time for a meeting. Since 8 weeks or so Woody been pressing and suggesting dates, others (mainly Rob) came like "I'm busy this week", "we don't need this now, we should first do a amicus letter to Google-vs-Oracle case" and whatnot else. And Rob has not a single time uttered he'd support the re-election of BoD that been demanded by community, council, heck even the | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | other two BoD members | 00:58 |
| Estel_ | ok, ok, I get it, and I'm not saying that you're not right | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no timetable or todo list to write up, all that alreeady happened | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | but now, please, lets forget whose faul it is, no matter at which side of fence we sit | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | lets really act like CPU's -> task given, task done by available means, or error reported | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | + lets report errors in linux way, i.e. informative ones ;) | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -E_HiFo_fails_to_have_meeting_since_2_months | 01:00 |
| Estel_ | I know you've already written what is needed, but it was in between of so much accusations (I'm not talking if they were right or notj, that only most dedicated readers got it | 01:00 |
| Estel_ | so please, write like I suggested, sparing any side comments why we need it (so even someone who sit under the rock for 4 months) will understand it, and how fast we need it | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | what they should discuss/do at that meeting | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rob's answer: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1336073&postcount=54 | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | and lets prepare a roadmap for "soon to be urgent" things too, and even those further ahead | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | do you really thing that it's parseable for anyone else than you, me, and maybe freemangordon and qwazix? this thread is a mess, conrectes could be summed up in 3 posts | 01:02 |
| Estel_ | thats why I've written about red line | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that roadmap already exists, maybe not visible for everybody, but woody posted *several* mails to HiFo about urgent things to get done and proposing meeting dates | 01:02 |
| Estel_ | I understand it may be hard to assume that others mean well, when you're inside this lockout-situation mess, very frustrating. I know something about that | 01:02 |
| Estel_ | but if we won't hit reset button now, it will become even less manageable | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | OK | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | so lets do those roadmaps in public, that thread looks like ok place for it | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | could be wikidi'zeed too, later | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | of course without ironic comments and accusations | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | even single irony spoils whole posts, at this level of frustration involved, it looks like that | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think another thread would be more appropriate: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89280 | 01:04 |
| Estel_ | your "partners" stop reading merit, and jump into bashing that irony | 01:04 |
| Estel_ | OK, but that thread, even by it's title, mean war, not collaboration | 01:04 |
| Estel_ | think for a while "infra migration, who kills maemo?" | 01:05 |
| Estel_ | you can be even right about it, I doesn't care at this point, all I want is to have ALL people involved hit reset button | 01:05 |
| Estel_ | forget about past faults, and move on to collaboration with said carte blanche | 01:05 |
| Estel_ | even if you're right at accusations, bringing them NOW is equivalent to showing bad will, same apply for "other side". And we all mean well, don't we? | 01:06 |
| Estel_ | look, even guy like me deleted all accusing things from TMO signature. I'm sure all of you can do better and reset attitude | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what fucking accusations? | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I listed stuff that's pending and not getting done due to HiFo not meeting | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I quoted one member who already thinks maemo is doomed | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I asked if HiFo really is wondering where from all that bad feelings come | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and finally I actually asked if maybe Rob intentionally blocks any HiFo meeting, which indeed you could read as an accusation | 01:22 |
| Estel_ | oh cmon, you know what I mean, even thread title implies whose fault it is. | 01:26 |
| Estel_ | The idea is to switch into informative-only collaboration, turning fail/blame/they're doing it wrong factor off | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see rob's answer, I don't even get what he's after, with "hard reset of MMC rules" | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | and I don't mean it's your fault either, I just think it become like those motocyclers riding to head crash | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see any option for any post from my side | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | I also don't get mmc reset, I suppose it was CC rules reset | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | frankly, it doesn't matter if you see it or not, and if youmre right about it or not - it's only about *future* posts and communication. No irony, no blaming, no anything, or we won't get anywhere | 01:29 |
| Estel_ | if you haven't done it before (blaming, irony etcj, the better, you will have easier time restraining yourself from doing so, now. | 01:29 |
| Estel_ | my request is to skip all (doubtfully) "decorative" things, and work on sole barebone merit, with addition of "everyone else involved means well" assumption. | 01:30 |
| Estel_ | I don't see other way to have Maemo community infrastructure maintained in *!ong* run | 01:30 |
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| Estel_ | at this point hostility is so huge, that even single irony/implied accusatio/whatever spoils whole meritoric discussion/work | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't give a shit. | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Rob posted clearly that he's straying away from anything anybody thought HiFo would be constituted like, by his "open letter2 that he for sure posted without placet by the other BoD members: http://hildonfoundation.org/an-update-on-hildon-foundation-council-and-maemo-community-council/ - read that and you see clearly that Rob is not willing to cooperate with Maemo community (council), is determined to ignore the re-election request, | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and is (imho) spreading paradox nonsense about "there's no HiFo council yet since there's no rules how to vote that HiFo council" The point is that this paragraph he refers to says that HiFo council is the one to determine those rules for elections, which for a logically thinking human makes it utterly clear that maemo community council is and ever been meant to be HiFo council as well | 01:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and since other two BoD are in favour of a re-election and would overrule him and initiate the election of BoD and accept MCC as HFC, my idea that he blocks meeting for a reason isn't that farfetched | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HE is the lawyer, so HE knows how to read the bylaws. Anybody not agreeing on HIS way to read and interpret them is clearly the enemy and he's obviously willing to go damn far and for sure ignoring any good-will-alternatives to make sure HIS view will be the one that rules in the end | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if he was filled with good will, he might agree on re-elections within 0.2s | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then read shit like this: >>Although the Bylaws state that the Hildon Foundation Council is to be determined by an election of the Hildon membership, they do not state how the first Hildon Foundation Council is to be determined.<< WTF is "Hildon membership"??? | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and what the F*CK is Rob thinking is the legitimation of BoD when they failed to establish the single "controlling entity" that could keep the HiFo BoD from going mad batshit - the HFC? Failed for err 5 months now? 6 months? and when community calls for a BoD re-election since they are unhappy with the way BoD performs, then the BoD shows community and and the only faintly resembing to HFC entity (MCC) the finger and laughs: "There' | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s no HFC, and if you're not happy with that and ask for re-election of BoD, TOO BAD since we're the only ones that could establish such HFC and so nobody can call for re-election of BoD" | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: please bark up another tree | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not me acting any silly here | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the only thing we need from HiFo is that they do their damn job and finally sign a few contracts | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for the rest, honestly when they/Rob ignore us/council, then why should I bother about them and what they allow or forbid? | 01:56 |
| Estel_ | I don't think anyone cares at this point, who was acting silly and whoe fault it is, the thing is what we will do now (in future). Even if youmre completely right to the less significant bit, discussions about it are so messed up with bigger or lesser flames, that actually, only close group of ~ 5 people understand whats going on | 01:57 |
| Estel_ | if we can start talking only about merit, skipping all that "it's his/her/it's fault", assuming others mean well, we can get past this quite quickly. | 01:57 |
| Estel_ | If NOT, for example, if one party will (again) deny to cooperate, everyone will understand why there is legitimation to peacefully overthrow them | 01:58 |
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| Estel_ | now it is a lockout, as legally, they're people that signed foundation. If it won't work, OK, lets choose other people to register another foundation, maybe somewhere else. | 01:59 |
| kerio | we don't have time | 01:59 |
| Estel_ | but for now, we must really assume all mean well | 01:59 |
| kerio | no we musn't | 01:59 |
| kerio | mustn't | 01:59 |
| Estel_ | how much time it require to tune brain cells into "others mean well" and start cooperating? if it won't work out in few days, we will have no other choice than re-do creating foundation | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cooperating on GODDAMN *WHAT*? | 02:00 |
| Estel_ | *shrug* I think every wasted potential of some volounteer, no matter how youd don't like it, is a pity. I think community could use lawyer at hifo, if he would cooperate | 02:00 |
| Estel_ | on achieving things neede,d like signing those damn contracts | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and would you pretty please suggest how me or anybody else in council or community could _cooperate_ with HiFo for that? | 02:01 |
| Estel_ | I think that at psychological level, that whole hostility is main reason why hifo went so alienated from rest of community. | 02:01 |
| Estel_ | sure | 02:01 |
| Estel_ | i did in that post | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hahaha | 02:01 |
| Estel_ | write that damn things again, without any blaming/irony/whatever (if yoiu haven't already) | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HiFo went alienated by community | 02:02 |
| Estel_ | if they won't answer in 48 hours, we can assume we need to skip them | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | been there done that, 3 times now | 02:02 |
| Estel_ | if they answer stating some merits, we may cooperate | 02:02 |
| Estel_ | sure, amongst 6456765 worthless posts full with blaming, accusations etc (even if valid) | 02:02 |
| Estel_ | not necessary yours | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not going to repeat stuff like a silly parrot | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Rob is no idiot | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, not that kind of idiot | 02:04 |
| Estel_ | well, whatever, I suggested what I think is most sane (hard reset of attitude, forgetting ,ast faults, startong to cooperate freshly, and if that doesn't work out, forking foundation) | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bullshit | 02:04 |
| Estel_ | you don't understand that sometimes repeating same thing in different atmosphere is a hell of difference | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're absolutely fine with 2/3 of HiFo | 02:04 |
| Estel_ | ok, you agree, that we need some people to be legally BoD for foundation, to sign some papers? | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you go to shit at least 2 times a week? | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's that now, jeopardy? | 02:05 |
| Estel_ | now you realize that failing to estabilish meaningful cooperations in place of current fubar = estabilishing foundation from scratch? | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stop telling shit | 02:05 |
| Estel_ | please, keep it civil and on topic, I'm not planning to answer any queries about shitting ;) | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you go to shit at least 2 times a week? | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 02:06 |
| Estel_ | ok, if you have other ideas how to solve situation, present them in community mailing list | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're absolutely fine with 2/3 of HiFo | 02:06 |
| Estel_ | who, legally, estabilished hifo? as person? | 02:06 |
| Estel_ | who got access to all papers and is legally able to sign contracts etc? | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are 2 members in HiFo thinking we should have a re-election and at least 1, I think 2, are thinking that MCC == HFC | 02:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there's one dude that disagrees and blocks meetings so the other 2 can't get stuff done | 02:07 |
| Estel_ | I know, but answer my questions from above, they're not rhetorical | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, sorry, I have more important stuff to do | 02:08 |
| Estel_ | I'm asking who, in most practical practice, can sign those damn papers, and who "keep" founding papers of hifo. | 02:08 |
| Estel_ | IIRC, it is SD69, correct me if I'm wrong. | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any of HiFo can sign the papers after a meeting where 2 of 3 vote for a certain individual | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to sign them | 02:09 |
| Estel_ | if I'm not wrong, it means either you settle compromise with him, or do damn foundation thing from scratch, in practice. And in such case, I don't necessary care if you (council) were right in that argument with him or not | 02:09 |
| Estel_ | OK | 02:09 |
| Estel_ | now we have sd69, rob, and who in hifo? | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and sorry, nfc what you mean by "keep founding papers" | 02:09 |
| merlin1991 | hm #maemo hmmm? | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | EHH??? | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SD69 == Rob | 02:10 |
| Estel_ | who is legally responsible for foundation welfare I mean | 02:10 |
| Estel_ | by "keeping papers" | 02:10 |
| Estel_ | currently | 02:10 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991, would love soo, but I'm banned there, sorry ;) | 02:10 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, sorry, I messed it | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I have to leave now. please discuss this with e.g. thedead1440 or kerio or freemangordon or... | 02:10 |
| Estel_ | I meant "we have sd69, jim, and who?" | 02:10 |
| Estel_ | OK | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | woody | 02:11 |
| Estel_ | no problem, I understand, real life calling | 02:11 |
| Estel_ | OK | 02:11 |
| Estel_ | thedead1440, ping? | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a tad too early for him | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he been awake til 3:00 AM local, now it's ~7:00 local for him | 02:12 |
| Estel_ | kerio, I have no idea why DocScrutinizer05 "appointed" you as person knowledgeable about current hifo legal status, but I may be not informed well. Do you have any idea how "legit" current members of hifo are, in law (only law) terms? | 02:12 |
| Estel_ | I see | 02:12 |
| Estel_ | I'm honestly lost about how woody and jim ended up in hifo | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Ron appointed them | 02:12 |
| Estel_ | but I think it's less relevant now, than if by pensylvania law (where hifo is registered) they're legally able | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, they are | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rob isn't as well | 02:13 |
| Estel_ | so I'm lost how bylaws allow him to appoint someone, instead of triggering election? | 02:13 |
| Estel_ | OK | 02:13 |
| Estel_ | now, when last BoD meeting was held? | 02:13 |
| Estel_ | and how often they're enforced to do meetings? once per 6 months? | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 8 weeks ago or so | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sth like that | 02:14 |
| Estel_ | are there, in bylaws or pensylvania law, any triggers that force them to do another meeting now? | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 02:14 |
| Estel_ | even such things as contracts to be signed or we're dead? | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apart from every member can call a meeting | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with 4 weeks headroom | 02:15 |
| Estel_ | was it called already? | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no way for externally triggered meetings afaik | 02:15 |
| Estel_ | I see, woody called a meeting? | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but without a date on calendar | 02:15 |
| Estel_ | and what happens, legally, if they won't meet in 4 weeks from calling a meeting? | 02:15 |
| Estel_ | so i think we should start counting... | 02:16 |
| Estel_ | or either we got compromise with sd69, or we're fubared, due to no way of forcing anything. | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he proposed 4 or 5 dates and timespans and asked if they could PRETTY PLEASE meet, and reaction been "no time, busy" | 02:16 |
| Estel_ | when he asked | 02:16 |
| Estel_ | in my limited understanding, this can be used as 4 weeks eggtimer | 02:17 |
| Estel_ | starter | 02:17 |
| Estel_ | his date propositions | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in mine too, woody wasn't sure | 02:17 |
| Estel_ | so we need to convince him, as having person who called for BoD meeting being sure what he did is goddamn important | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now I see you start to get my angle on it, I'm out | 02:17 |
| Estel_ | well, I'm leading to conclusion, that even in worst case, we have some time left 'till 4 weeks egg-timer run off, to try making a compromise, as it won't work out, we can always mourn time wasted, and use legal means (failure to get a meeting in 4 weeks time, etc) to force election | 02:19 |
| Estel_ | still, it would be better to at least try, again, getting a compromise, and that require fresh start with "people (yes, SD69 too) mean well" attitude | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-14 01:54:28] <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: >>...do your best to help that very same community last<< That's a dangerous request. I'm sure he's absolutely totally convinced he's doing exactly that | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-14 01:55:02] <DocScrutinizer05> alas he also seems to think he's the only one who understands what's killing community, and in his world that's for sure not him | 02:20 |
| Estel_ | because, logically, it doesn't cost anything - without it, we're still tied to waiting - and, can bring positive things, like end of that silly war (doesn't matter whose fault it is) | 02:20 |
| Estel_ | so? it is still worth to try, as said, we have nothing to lose. If it won't work out, the same timeline for failed BoD meeting apply. | 02:21 |
| Estel_ | we can spend time 'till that on arguing, or on trying to fix it. | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not arguing anymore | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's useless | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~7..9 people explained to Rob in loving verbosity that makes you weep that bylaws menat to define HFC == MCC | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | his answer: "but that's not what's written there. I'll gonna execute what's written there, in the way I understand it" | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which I actually can't even blame him for, I would probably do the same ;-P | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just I would not read those bylaws like a lawyer | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | patent lawyer | 02:24 |
| Estel_ | well, lets assume for a while, that bylaws got fubared there, and from legal point of view, he have a seed of being right about it. So, maybe it's worth to discuss how to fix it and get rid of that dillema, instead of bashing him from not accepting other (obvous, I agree) point of view? | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd understand that those who wrote them were NO lawyers, and I would ask what been the spirit in those bylaws | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: I dunno | 02:25 |
| Estel_ | well, he is lawyer, and bylaw is law text, so it's quite understandable that lawyer is trying to read it to the letter, especially being one to be blamed by law is something goes wrong | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 02:26 |
| Estel_ | I'm not sure if pensylvania law allow reffering to "spirit of documentn, in some countries, such argumentation is banned, i.e. reffering to "spirit". In others, it's encouraged | 02:26 |
| Estel_ | but anyway, even this alone makes meeting and taking steps to fix it very approriate | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm absolutely clueless how to convince him that bylaws need fixing | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, a less strict interpretation | 02:27 |
| Estel_ | write about it, and "soon to be urgent" section (or "urgent"?) one ;) | 02:27 |
| Estel_ | in a way that it wont drow in a sea of flamewars and accusations (not necessary from your side, I mean other's people posts, too) | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, for everybody else the bylaws seem to be pretty clear | 02:28 |
| Estel_ | I'm pretty certain that no one with single brain cell with dare to start flaming under my post, for at least few days | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's hard to argue with the single person that has a different take on it, when that person already is convinced he's doing the right thing | 02:28 |
| Estel_ | I know, but even if for 1/3 of Board there is problem with bylaws, it is significant thing | 02:28 |
| Estel_ | so don't argue, discuss about his and yours view on fixing it, then | 02:28 |
| Estel_ | after all, hpw you would react if he would argue with you about something related to Maemo repos technicals, that you would be perfectly sure you're right about ;) | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm suffering Rob-burnout | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I leave that to Woddy | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | woody even | 02:29 |
| Estel_ | OK, whatever, just do it all in public, in one place (that jim's introduction thread quite become it), sparing flamewars and irony, and asking TMO moderator to mercilessly move/delete any posts that are blaming/accussing/not on merit | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: [[after all, hpw you would react if he would argue with you about something related to Maemo repos technicals, that you would be perfectly sure you're right about ;)]] been there, done that. We explained him in all epic verbosity that there are technical differences between hosting and colocation, or between a regular linux user and a user with root permissions. Sometimes he pretended to understand, just to come up again | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with same concerns about maintainers or about a hosting contract | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and we asked him what we can do to cure his concerns, we suggested alternatives - all that we could think of. | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | his final answer been "but i need a hosting contract" - sth that never been an option and nobody mentioned | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see my post you took off on initially | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on a sidenote: did he implicitly accuse me to be the culprit for HiFo folks resigning one after the other? That's pretty funny since I know at least from one case where somebody else been the reason for a resignation, which I got pretty much from first hand | 03:03 |
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| Estel_ | understood. I think all this info is scattered in too much places. Either way, the only legaly viable thing is to rely on BoD meeting with 2 vs 1 votes on accepting call for BoD election (and Council, but BoD is important for this case), or doing this election if they fail 4 weeks treeshold | 04:48 |
| Estel_ | till then, nothing wrong in trying to get compromise *again* by re-doing "negotiations" in different atmosphere, accepting big red line separation, I think. After all, nothing to lose, and finding compromise is always better than forcing things, so trying won't hurt | 04:49 |
| Estel_ | in meantime, please convince woody that he *is* sure, about his call for BoD meeting being start of 4 weeks countdown, or it will all go to hell, in case of compromise fiasco (if he won't be sure) | 04:50 |
| Estel_ | of course it's just proposition (using that time for carte blanche and "people mean well" cooperation attempt), everyone is free to discard this idea. It was just my 2 (in)significant cents. | 04:51 |
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